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2013-01-30 12:08:08 AM
"Zimbabwe's economy went into free-fall at the turn of the millennium, after President Robert Mugabe began seizing white-owned farms. The move demolished investor confidence in the country, paralysed production, prompted international sanctions and scared off tourists."

So, how's that racism workin out for ya?
 
2013-01-30 12:09:41 AM
Not after I pay my rent
 
2013-01-30 12:38:38 AM
I probably have more money in my shoe than the entire government of Zimbabwe.
 
2013-01-30 12:41:19 AM
What a shame. Isn't that where Obama's from?
 
2013-01-30 12:42:27 AM
Poverty is not just amusing, it's HILARIOUS!
 
2013-01-30 12:43:38 AM

Point02GPA: What a shame. Isn't that where Obama's from?


Obama is from the United States...

of Indonesia!
 
2013-01-30 12:44:10 AM
Zimbabwe had tourists?
 
2013-01-30 12:44:31 AM

TommyymmoT: "Zimbabwe's economy went into free-fall at the turn of the millennium, after President Robert Mugabe began seizing white-owned farms. The move demolished investor confidence in the country, paralysed production, prompted international sanctions and scared off tourists."

So, how's that racism workin out for ya?


During the cold war, Rhodesia had a stronger currency than the USD. But as a consolation, it must be nice to be on the "Do not travel" list, and to be able to spend 100,000,000,000 on a couple of eggs.
 
2013-01-30 12:47:29 AM

moothemagiccow: Zimbabwe had tourists?


I spent a few bucks once in Zimbabwe while traveling from South Africa to Tanzania. I am glad I could keep that country solvent for a few weeks.
 
2013-01-30 12:47:56 AM
And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.
 
2013-01-30 12:49:03 AM
The comments are an interesting blend of outright racism and religioderp, which a leavening of RANDOM CAPSLOCK thrown in for good measure.
 
2013-01-30 12:49:26 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Point02GPA: What a shame. Isn't that where Obama's from?

Obama is from the United States...

of Indonesia!


I knew it was some place in Africa, I just wasn't sure of it's name. Thanks.
 
GBB
2013-01-30 12:49:49 AM

moothemagiccow: Zimbabwe had tourists?


I bet you could get a lobster dinner there for like a dollar.
 
2013-01-30 12:50:43 AM

Visit beautiful downtown Zimbabwe. We give you introductory hatcheting for welcome meat wagon.



i466.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-30 12:51:23 AM
So they have 16 trillion more in their bank than the US does....
 
2013-01-30 12:52:16 AM

mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.


He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?
 
2013-01-30 12:52:26 AM

Dragonflew: Poverty is not just amusing, it's HILARIOUS!


Indeed. It is heartening to see a government more inept than ours. I've often wondered; are we really helping them with aid or are we making them so dependent on aid that they can't do anything for themselves.

/ it's always cheaper to teach men to fish then to buy 3 fish , 1 for the bureaucrat, one for the government and the last fish split in half for the seller and the buyer
 
2013-01-30 12:52:53 AM

mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.


Obama's trying to seize all white owned farm land?
Pssst the stock market is at an all time high, and investor confidence is growing.
 
2013-01-30 12:54:13 AM

TommyymmoT: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

Obama's trying to seize all white owned farm land?
Pssst the stock market is at an all time high, and investor confidence is growing.


Where is Fusillade76 when you need him? That guy will drop like 30 charts on a thread in 2 minutes flat that show our economic indicators mostly all going in the right direction.
 
2013-01-30 12:54:31 AM
You probably have more money in the bank than the entire government of Zimbabwe

Nope.
 
2013-01-30 12:54:58 AM

mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.


He's going to take all the white-owned farms and give them back to the Indians?
 
2013-01-30 12:55:19 AM

coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?


Have you seen his immigration policy?
 
2013-01-30 12:56:01 AM

coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?


Yes, the guns and bibles crowd. Or maybe you forgot about that one.
 
2013-01-30 12:57:52 AM
Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.
 
2013-01-30 12:57:56 AM

Gyrfalcon: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He's going to take all the white-owned farms and give them back to the Indians?


Dude!!!!! They' talking about Africa, not India.
 
2013-01-30 12:58:10 AM

Bondith: The comments are an interesting blend of outright racism and religioderp, which a leavening of RANDOM CAPSLOCK thrown in for good measure.


Well when the ANC's demand that white farmers turn over their land, money, and daughters... I can see where they might get a bit flustered, especially if one of their neighbors had just been butchered with machetes.
http://www.genocidewatch.org/zimbabwe.html
 
2013-01-30 12:58:40 AM

mexican bathtub cheese: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?

Yes, the guns and bibles crowd. Or maybe you forgot about that one.


What economic horrors has he levied against them?

Not too fast, I need to get some popcorn first...
 
2013-01-30 12:59:57 AM
FTA: "After more than a decade - in which the country suffered hyper-inflation of 231 million percent and infrastructure that crumbled as quickly as prices went up - the situation is now more stable."

I'm pretty sure that was just the last official statistic before they quit counting. Some estimates ran as high as 6,000,000,000,000,000,000,000%, which I believe is pronounced "six kerplillion".

moothemagiccow: Zimbabwe had tourists?


They used to have a wonderful wildlife preserve, until they were forced to eat all the animals.

/ I seem to recall this being an actual quote from the country's Tourism Minister.
 
2013-01-30 01:00:39 AM

super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.


Aww, someone just took Intro to International Political Economy. How cute.
 
2013-01-30 01:01:37 AM
Wow, I spend that much on beer in a month. They might want to call Capital One or something.
 
2013-01-30 01:02:00 AM

super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.


Well when you take over the country, and then appoint a financial minister with no education, you kind of deserve this. Especially when you force out all the rich, white, educated people.
 
2013-01-30 01:02:01 AM
The Nigerian princes stole it all.
 
2013-01-30 01:02:32 AM
I just realized... The Kochs want to buy the US, but obviously haven't figured it out quite yet. Has anyone suggested they just buy Zimbabwe instead? It would probably be way cheaper.
 
2013-01-30 01:02:55 AM

coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?


Frankly, Mr. Obama was inexperienced as a politician when he was elected. I fear that, in his effort to find support, he has to bow to political winds from both sides. Thus, making him less effective as a president. If you doubt that; he's had to fight tooth and nail to get anything done. And when he does get anything done; it's a 1000 page boondoggle.

/ say what you want about bush; he, at least, told congress critters on both sides to go fark themselves when it was necessary.

// maybe, in his second term, Mr. Obama can afford to be a little more forceful. But, I doubt it; the republicans stand together; but, the democrats only stand together if all of their seats aren't threatened, and that is exactly never
 
2013-01-30 01:03:31 AM

coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?

Yes, the guns and bibles crowd. Or maybe you forgot about that one.

What economic horrors has he levied against them?

Not too fast, I need to get some popcorn first...


Oh and don't forget "you didn't build that". It's a real crowd pleaser with people who actually work for a living, something Obama has never done.
 
2013-01-30 01:03:34 AM

GUTSU: Bondith: The comments are an interesting blend of outright racism and religioderp, which a leavening of RANDOM CAPSLOCK thrown in for good measure.

Well when the ANC's demand that white farmers turn over their land, money, and daughters... I can see where they might get a bit flustered, especially if one of their neighbors had just been butchered with machetes.
http://www.genocidewatch.org/zimbabwe.html


Those poor oppressed white people better join forces with the men's rights brigade and the reverse racism crowd or there's going to be hell for all involved.
 
2013-01-30 01:04:29 AM

freewill: They used to have a wonderful wildlife preserve, until they were forced to eat all the animals.


Sounds like something from Douglas Adams

/They should get a Kickstarter page
 
2013-01-30 01:04:49 AM

TommyymmoT: Pssst the stock market is at an all time high, and investor confidence is growing.



Sucker! That's just to get you all to pour more money in before the final crash!
 
2013-01-30 01:04:58 AM

GUTSU: Bondith: The comments are an interesting blend of outright racism and religioderp, which a leavening of RANDOM CAPSLOCK thrown in for good measure.

Well when the ANC's demand that white farmers turn over their land, money, and daughters... I can see where they might get a bit flustered, especially if one of their neighbors had just been butchered with machetes.
http://www.genocidewatch.org/zimbabwe.html


Nothing on that page mentioned daughters, and the ANC is a South African party and not Zimbabwean, but apart from pedantic quibbling I see your point.

However, I still think the "AFRICA, turn back to GOD and WHITE PEOPLE" guy needs to dial back a bit and maybe learn the correct use of capital letters.
 
2013-01-30 01:05:25 AM

super_grass: GUTSU: Bondith: The comments are an interesting blend of outright racism and religioderp, which a leavening of RANDOM CAPSLOCK thrown in for good measure.

Well when the ANC's demand that white farmers turn over their land, money, and daughters... I can see where they might get a bit flustered, especially if one of their neighbors had just been butchered with machetes.
http://www.genocidewatch.org/zimbabwe.html

Those poor oppressed white people better join forces with the men's rights brigade and the reverse racism crowd or there's going to be hell for all involved.


lol
 
2013-01-30 01:05:42 AM

super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.


And yet other countries, while still poor, aren't in such dire straits. But yes, it was TOTALLY all the West's fault.

Also, you can't even call it "centuries". The colonial era of Zimbabwe was 1888-1965. That's not even 1 century, bro.

You should go have a seat... somewhere else.
 
2013-01-30 01:07:18 AM
At first I thought, "no way," but after reading the headline, I am all, "way."

popgoestheweek.com
 
2013-01-30 01:07:33 AM

super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.


"Zimbabwe's economy went into free-fall at the turn of the millennium, after President Robert Mugabe began seizing white-owned farms."

What part of THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

The ignorance is on you. Learn to read.
 
2013-01-30 01:07:56 AM
At least they're in the black. That's a few trillion more than the US has when you figure in our debt.

I know Zimbabwe has outstanding debts, too. Just making a point that the US is far deeper in the hole.
 
2013-01-30 01:08:02 AM
I meant after reading the story.
 
2013-01-30 01:08:05 AM

mexican bathtub cheese: Oh and don't forget "you didn't build that". It's a real crowd pleaser with people who actually work for a living, something Obama has never done.


You had me up to here.  Nobody on Fark can possibly be unaware as to how far out of context that was twisted.

3/10 overall, 7/10 for everything prior to this.
 
2013-01-30 01:08:33 AM

mexican bathtub cheese: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?

Yes, the guns and bibles crowd. Or maybe you forgot about that one.


There's a problem with crowds shooting bibles?
 
2013-01-30 01:09:19 AM

mexican bathtub cheese: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?

Yes, the guns and bibles crowd. Or maybe you forgot about that one.

What economic horrors has he levied against them?

Not too fast, I need to get some popcorn first...

Oh and don't forget "you didn't build that". It's a real crowd pleaser with people who actually work for a living, something Obama has never done.


Are you a troll, or just one of the morons that keep repeating line that out of context?
Thanks for the election by the way. You guys helped us more than you'll ever have the reasoning power to realize.
 
2013-01-30 01:09:24 AM

coeyagi: super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.

And yet other countries, while still poor, aren't in such dire straits. But yes, it was TOTALLY all the West's fault.

Also, you can't even call it "centuries". The colonial era of Zimbabwe was 1888-1965. That's not even 1 century, bro.

You should go have a seat... somewhere else.


Yup, because you can't do any damage in less than a century and the destruction of indigenous institutions will take less than half that time.

Smart. Very smart.
 
2013-01-30 01:10:03 AM

Abacus9: mexican bathtub cheese: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?

Yes, the guns and bibles crowd. Or maybe you forgot about that one.

There's a problem with crowds shooting bibles?


This kind of "quality" is why I rarely venture on to the Main tab.

//previous poster, not you.
 
2013-01-30 01:10:19 AM

viscountalpha: super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.

"Zimbabwe's economy went into free-fall at the turn of the millennium, after President Robert Mugabe began seizing white-owned farms."

What part of THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

The ignorance is on you. Learn to read.


Dude, his community college sociology professor totally said it was like, all the west's fault, maaan. Like, centuries of oppression, dude! Have you heard of this thing called apartheid? It's like, a totally oppressive thing the west did to Africa. Look it up man, for real.
 
2013-01-30 01:10:41 AM

Brainsick: They should get a Kickstarter page


davidphogan: They might want to call Capital One or something.


OK, guys. This is good. Let's help them brain their way out of this.

For one thing, they should all try doing the Africa face.

gifsoup.com
 
2013-01-30 01:12:01 AM
You can't even open a savings account with $167, can you? Sure, maybe if it's a credit union in a college town, but seriously!
 
2013-01-30 01:12:47 AM
What the fark.
 
2013-01-30 01:12:56 AM

super_grass: coeyagi: super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.

And yet other countries, while still poor, aren't in such dire straits. But yes, it was TOTALLY all the West's fault.

Also, you can't even call it "centuries". The colonial era of Zimbabwe was 1888-1965. That's not even 1 century, bro.

You should go have a seat... somewhere else.

Yup, because you can't do any damage in less than a century and the destruction of indigenous institutions will take less than half that time.

Smart. Very smart.


officiallyscrewed.com
 
2013-01-30 01:13:08 AM

super_grass: coeyagi: super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.

And yet other countries, while still poor, aren't in such dire straits. But yes, it was TOTALLY all the West's fault.

Also, you can't even call it "centuries". The colonial era of Zimbabwe was 1888-1965. That's not even 1 century, bro.

You should go have a seat... somewhere else.

Yup, because you can't do any damage in less than a century and the destruction of indigenous institutions will take less than half that time.

Smart. Very smart.


A) I didn't say they didn't do any damage. So, you're wrong there.
B) You claimed it was centuries. I proved you wrong there too.
C) The article even states that their economic freefall was mainly due to Mugabe. So, strike 3.

Keep going bro, someone is bound to defend you.

//Hint: To have that happen, you should create an ALT and then defend yourself with your cool new alter ego.
 
2013-01-30 01:14:31 AM

coeyagi: super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.

And yet other countries, while still poor, aren't in such dire straits. But yes, it was TOTALLY all the West's fault.

Also, you can't even call it "centuries". The colonial era of Zimbabwe was 1888-1965. That's not even 1 century, bro.

You should go have a seat... somewhere else.



What was Zimbabwe like BEFORE 1888? Did they even HAVE finances then?
 
2013-01-30 01:14:39 AM

freewill: Brainsick: They should get a Kickstarter page

davidphogan: They might want to call Capital One or something.

OK, guys. This is good. Let's help them brain their way out of this.

For one thing, they should all try doing the Africa face.

[gifsoup.com image 320x180]


I smell FarkUs project. If we could raise $15K to almost get Biden a TransAm, we could raise $600 and triple their treasury.
 
2013-01-30 01:14:40 AM

jtown: At least they're in the black. That's a few trillion more than the US has when you figure in our debt.

I know Zimbabwe has outstanding debts, too. Just making a point that the US is far deeper in the hole.


Thatsracist.gif
 
2013-01-30 01:14:51 AM

TommyymmoT: "Zimbabwe's economy went into free-fall at the turn of the millennium, after President Robert Mugabe began seizing white-owned farms. The move demolished investor confidence in the country, paralysed production, prompted international sanctions and scared off tourists."

So, how's that racism workin out for ya?


Should have made them slaves. Cheap workforce would have helped investor confidence.
 
2013-01-30 01:15:42 AM

coeyagi: you should create an ALT and then defend yourself with your cool new alter ego.


Yeah, but don't forget to log out between alts...
 
2013-01-30 01:17:33 AM

viscountalpha: super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.

"Zimbabwe's economy went into free-fall at the turn of the millennium, after President Robert Mugabe began seizing white-owned farms."

What part of THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

The ignorance is on you. Learn to read.


Because seizing stolen land property from your former oppressors and giving it back to your people is wrong.
Not having capital after they flee the country with a good chunk wealth and knowledge is wrong.
Not having skilled management because you were systematically barred from government and education is wrong.
Having a hard time with autonomy self-rule after it was taken away from you for more than a generation is wrong.

Clearly, Zimbabwe should have stayed with the status quo. You might be a second-class citizen in your own land, but at least the upper crust gets to run everything, right?
 
2013-01-30 01:20:07 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: super_grass: coeyagi: super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.

And yet other countries, while still poor, aren't in such dire straits. But yes, it was TOTALLY all the West's fault.

Also, you can't even call it "centuries". The colonial era of Zimbabwe was 1888-1965. That's not even 1 century, bro.

You should go have a seat... somewhere else.

Yup, because you can't do any damage in less than a century and the destruction of indigenous institutions will take less than half that time.

Smart. Very smart.

[officiallyscrewed.com image 290x180]


Is that a magic word you use to win the argument when other people would rather focus on the bigger picture instead of splitting hairs?
 
2013-01-30 01:20:17 AM
I don't see what's so funny. That would mean Zimbabwe has about 17 trillion more dollars than the US.
 
2013-01-30 01:21:04 AM
When that country was still Rhodesia, I almost signed up as recruit for a mercenary outfit going over there. If the good guys had won, I was supposed to had gotten enough land to start my own farm there as a bonus.

Good thing I didn't though.
 
2013-01-30 01:22:04 AM

ii_hctub: I don't see what's so funny. That would mean Zimbabwe has about 17 trillion more dollars than the US.


That's some good economic-ing, Lou.

//Alright, no more hanging out with amateur hour, going back to a tab where the derp is at least informed derp.
 
2013-01-30 01:22:54 AM
This wouldn't have happened if they hadn't blown it on all those money spinning goblins.
 
2013-01-30 01:23:28 AM

coeyagi: Abacus9: mexican bathtub cheese: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?

Yes, the guns and bibles crowd. Or maybe you forgot about that one.

There's a problem with crowds shooting bibles?

This kind of "quality" is why I rarely venture on to the Main tab.

//previous poster, not you.


I dunno, it's all fun to me. Just don't take the trolls too seriously.
 
2013-01-30 01:24:47 AM

super_grass: viscountalpha: super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.

"Zimbabwe's economy went into free-fall at the turn of the millennium, after President Robert Mugabe began seizing white-owned farms."

What part of THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

The ignorance is on you. Learn to read.

Because seizing stolen land property from your former oppressors and giving it back to your people is wrong.
Not having capital after they flee the country with a good chunk wealth and knowledge is wrong.
Not having skilled management because you were systematically barred from government and education is wrong.
Having a hard time with autonomy self-rule after it was taken away from you for more than a generation is wrong.

Clearly, Zimbabwe should have stayed with the status quo. You might be a second-class citizen in your own land, but at least the upper crust gets to run everything, right?


I have no idea why all the whites left, you know with the whole "kill the boer" thing people were chanting. But yes, it was super bad of them to take all of their money from a country that wanted to chop their limbs off.
 
2013-01-30 01:25:23 AM

TommyymmoT: "Zimbabwe's economy went into free-fall at the turn of the millennium, after President Robert Mugabe began seizing white-owned farms. The move demolished investor confidence in the country, paralysed production, prompted international sanctions and scared off tourists."

So, how's that racism workin out for ya?


It's not racism if black people do it.
 
2013-01-30 01:26:12 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: viscountalpha: super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.

"Zimbabwe's economy went into free-fall at the turn of the millennium, after President Robert Mugabe began seizing white-owned farms."

What part of THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

The ignorance is on you. Learn to read.

Dude, his community college sociology professor totally said it was like, all the west's fault, maaan. Like, centuries of oppression, dude! Have you heard of this thing called apartheid? It's like, a totally oppressive thing the west did to Africa. Look it up man, for real.


Funny how people can ignore problems associated with imperialism because "that was like, so yesterday!" But when it comes to problems in the U.S., they still act like "King George ain't takin' away MY gunz! 2nd shall not be infringederp
 
2013-01-30 01:27:02 AM

super_grass:
Because seizing stolen land property from your former oppressors and giving it back to your people is wrong.
Not having capital after they flee the country with a good chunk wealth and knowledge is wrong.
Not having skilled management because you were systematically barred from government and education is wrong.
Having a hard time with autonomy self-rule after it was taken away from you for more than a generation is wrong.

Clearly, Zimbabwe should have stayed with the status quo. You might be a second-class citizen in your own land, but at least the upper crust gets to run everything, right?


Because fighting oppression with oppression always works out in the end? Let's give out formerly productive and fertile farmland as a reward to someone who hasn't did anything with their life other than killings others. Breadbasket to food aid queen in a matter of years, guaranteed!
 
2013-01-30 01:27:10 AM

coeyagi: super_grass: coeyagi: super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.

And yet other countries, while still poor, aren't in such dire straits. But yes, it was TOTALLY all the West's fault.

Also, you can't even call it "centuries". The colonial era of Zimbabwe was 1888-1965. That's not even 1 century, bro.

You should go have a seat... somewhere else.

Yup, because you can't do any damage in less than a century and the destruction of indigenous institutions will take less than half that time.

Smart. Very smart.

A) I didn't say they didn't do any damage. So, you're wrong there.
B) You claimed it was centuries. I proved you wrong there too.
C) The article even states that their economic freefall was mainly due to Mugabe. So, strike 3.

Keep going bro, someone is bound to defend you.

//Hint: To have that happen, you should create an ALT and then defend yourself with your cool new alter ego.



A) You focused on how Zimbabwe didn't technically suffer from colonialism for a full magical century, but you're not trying to downplay its effect?
B) You assumed that my point was how long the country was a colony, that couldn't be farther from the truth. And you can't be subjugated unless you're an official colony? Good to know.
C) I never mentioned Mugabe, but good straw man. I said that Zimbabwe's dire situation was largely caused by colonialism and racial suppression.

And projecting your fark browsing habits on others isn't going to help you a single bit. A little extra work on reading comprehension might though.
 
2013-01-30 01:27:19 AM

mexican bathtub cheese: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?

Yes, the guns and bibles crowd. Or maybe you forgot about that one.

What economic horrors has he levied against them?

Not too fast, I need to get some popcorn first...

Oh and don't forget "you didn't build that". It's a real crowd pleaser with people who actually work for a living, something Obama has never done.


Aw, whose little alt are you? I haven't seen you in.....forever.
 
2013-01-30 01:29:05 AM

GBB: moothemagiccow: Zimbabwe had tourists?

I bet you could get a lobster dinner there for like a dollar.


Why get a lobster when you could get a lionburger or lionsteak for a few dollars more.
 
2013-01-30 01:30:08 AM

RabidJade: super_grass:
Because seizing stolen land property from your former oppressors and giving it back to your people is wrong.
Not having capital after they flee the country with a good chunk wealth and knowledge is wrong.
Not having skilled management because you were systematically barred from government and education is wrong.
Having a hard time with autonomy self-rule after it was taken away from you for more than a generation is wrong.

Clearly, Zimbabwe should have stayed with the status quo. You might be a second-class citizen in your own land, but at least the upper crust gets to run everything, right?

Because fighting oppression with oppression always works out in the end? Let's give out formerly productive and fertile farmland as a reward to someone who hasn't did anything with their life other than killings others. Breadbasket to food aid queen in a matter of years, guaranteed!


You must be in favor of Monarchies and CEO bonuses.

Guess what? Zimbabwe followed through with killing/eating the rich and now they have no more masters. I guess that's less important than a well-pampered lapdog of you masters though...
 
2013-01-30 01:31:40 AM

TommyymmoT: Pssst the stock market is at an all time high, and investor confidence is growing.


Yup. My firearms stocks are going up up up on news that a shiatload of people are buying weapons before the thugs start a civil war by trying to take them.
 
2013-01-30 01:32:03 AM

davidphogan: Wow, I spend that much on beer in a month. They might want to call Capital One or something.


Something tells me their credit rating isn't so hot...
 
2013-01-30 01:32:51 AM

super_grass: RabidJade: super_grass:
Because seizing stolen land property from your former oppressors and giving it back to your people is wrong.
Not having capital after they flee the country with a good chunk wealth and knowledge is wrong.
Not having skilled management because you were systematically barred from government and education is wrong.
Having a hard time with autonomy self-rule after it was taken away from you for more than a generation is wrong.

Clearly, Zimbabwe should have stayed with the status quo. You might be a second-class citizen in your own land, but at least the upper crust gets to run everything, right?

Because fighting oppression with oppression always works out in the end? Let's give out formerly productive and fertile farmland as a reward to someone who hasn't did anything with their life other than killings others. Breadbasket to food aid queen in a matter of years, guaranteed!

You must be in favor of Monarchies and CEO bonuses.

Guess what? Zimbabwe followed through with killing/eating the rich and now they have no more masters. I guess that's less important than a well-pampered lapdog of you masters though...


This is some magical reasoning. It's justified to get rid of the masters at the threat of death, but man, what assholes they are for taking their wealth with them!

Please proceed, governor. Still waiting for someone to back you.
 
2013-01-30 01:35:46 AM

coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?



This was fait acompli a dozen years ago. They tried warning Mugabe... the white farmers were there for generations and predicted the oh so predictable debacle as the natives were in no way trained to just take over the farms. If anything, it was worse than predicted.
 
2013-01-30 01:37:46 AM

Kevin72: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?


This was fait acompli a dozen years ago. They tried warning Mugabe... the white farmers were there for generations and predicted the oh so predictable debacle as the natives were in no way trained to just take over the farms. If anything, it was worse than predicted.


No, erroneous. Ph.D candidate super_grass tells me it's the West's fault! Because their economy actually wasn't too bad before Mugabe kicked out the farmers, but hey, that was probably Arthur Anderson cooking the books, amirite?
 
2013-01-30 01:37:49 AM

super_grass: Because seizing stolen land property from your former oppressors and giving it back to your people is wrong.
Not having capital after they flee the country with a good chunk wealth and knowledge is wrong.
Not having skilled management because you were systematically barred from government and education is wrong.
Having a hard time with autonomy self-rule after it was taken away from you for more than a generation is wrong.


As I understand it, the people whose land he "seized" were citizens of Zimbabwe. The British stopped helping the government buy it back from voluntary sellers after they realized Mugabe was using the land to enrich his cronies, not the people, and a referendum to pass legislation to seize the land through a legal process was rejected. That was when Mugabe used his thugs to start storming white-owned farms, not for transfer to the people but to his elite supporters.

Later, he took to bulldozing the homes of tens of thousands of the urban poor as part of a claimed effort to drive them into the countryside in order to force them to learn subsistence farming to resolve the famine caused by turning the farms into his party goons' personal palaces. In reality, the urban poor hate his guts and he just wanted to hurt them for opposing him.

Don't even farking try, dude. This is not "having a hard time with autonomy". Mugabe is an evil motherfarker who has disregarded his own people and intentionally inflicted far greater horrors on his country than the colonial British ever did, however wrong they were.
 
2013-01-30 01:38:03 AM

coeyagi: super_grass: RabidJade: super_grass:
Because seizing stolen land property from your former oppressors and giving it back to your people is wrong.
Not having capital after they flee the country with a good chunk wealth and knowledge is wrong.
Not having skilled management because you were systematically barred from government and education is wrong.
Having a hard time with autonomy self-rule after it was taken away from you for more than a generation is wrong.

Clearly, Zimbabwe should have stayed with the status quo. You might be a second-class citizen in your own land, but at least the upper crust gets to run everything, right?

Because fighting oppression with oppression always works out in the end? Let's give out formerly productive and fertile farmland as a reward to someone who hasn't did anything with their life other than killings others. Breadbasket to food aid queen in a matter of years, guaranteed!

You must be in favor of Monarchies and CEO bonuses.

Guess what? Zimbabwe followed through with killing/eating the rich and now they have no more masters. I guess that's less important than a well-pampered lapdog of you masters though...

This is some magical reasoning. It's justified to get rid of the masters at the threat of death, but man, what assholes they are for taking their wealth with them!

Please proceed, governor. Still waiting for someone to back you.


Yup, a wealthy ruling class should not be toppled, and if they do get knocked down a few pegs, they should have full rights to empty the country and flee overseas. After all, it't only fair, right?

Does that servile mind of yours ever think that maybe, just MAYBE, that there could be a group of parasites whose ill-gotten wealth was created through exclusion, nepotism, whose only reason for existence is because they created a chokehold on a fe specializations?
 
2013-01-30 01:38:18 AM

super_grass: viscountalpha: super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.

"Zimbabwe's economy went into free-fall at the turn of the millennium, after President Robert Mugabe began seizing white-owned farms."

What part of THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

The ignorance is on you. Learn to read.

Because seizing stolen land property from your former oppressors and giving it back to your people is wrong.
Not having capital after they flee the country with a good chunk wealth and knowledge is wrong.
Not having skilled management because you were systematically barred from government and education is wrong.
Having a hard time with autonomy self-rule after it was taken away from you for more than a generation is wrong.

Clearly, Zimbabwe should have stayed with the status quo. You might be a second-class citizen in your own land, but at least the upper crust gets to run everything, right?


I don't defend any of the incorrect policies that the white people might of had in zimbabwe but murdering and stealing is completely justifiable right?

And now it's destabilized the entire country.

You really are a complete ignorant fark and I'm done with you.
 
2013-01-30 01:39:09 AM

Kevin72: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?


This was fait acompli a dozen years ago. They tried warning Mugabe... the white farmers were there for generations and predicted the oh so predictable debacle as the natives were in no way trained to just take over the farms. If anything, it was worse than predicted.


Ooooops I read that wrong. I had the troll on ignore and didn't read the part that the azzhole troll was implying that Obama was going to do that.
 
2013-01-30 01:39:25 AM

Smeggy Smurf: TommyymmoT: Pssst the stock market is at an all time high, and investor confidence is growing.

Yup. My firearms stocks are going up up up on news that a shiatload of people are buying weapons before the thugs start a civil war by trying to take them.


No joke. Back in 2008, right after the election, kidding, I started to tell people to buy stock in Ruger, and Smith & Wesson, because of the whole Obama's going to take our guns away thing being foisted by the NRA.
My brother bought 1000 shares of Sturm-Ruger, at ~$4. He sold them last week, at $56.
That's better profit than dope dealers make.
 
2013-01-30 01:40:54 AM

super_grass: coeyagi: super_grass: RabidJade: super_grass:
Because seizing stolen land property from your former oppressors and giving it back to your people is wrong.
Not having capital after they flee the country with a good chunk wealth and knowledge is wrong.
Not having skilled management because you were systematically barred from government and education is wrong.
Having a hard time with autonomy self-rule after it was taken away from you for more than a generation is wrong.

Clearly, Zimbabwe should have stayed with the status quo. You might be a second-class citizen in your own land, but at least the upper crust gets to run everything, right?

Because fighting oppression with oppression always works out in the end? Let's give out formerly productive and fertile farmland as a reward to someone who hasn't did anything with their life other than killings others. Breadbasket to food aid queen in a matter of years, guaranteed!

You must be in favor of Monarchies and CEO bonuses.

Guess what? Zimbabwe followed through with killing/eating the rich and now they have no more masters. I guess that's less important than a well-pampered lapdog of you masters though...

This is some magical reasoning. It's justified to get rid of the masters at the threat of death, but man, what assholes they are for taking their wealth with them!

Please proceed, governor. Still waiting for someone to back you.

Yup, a wealthy ruling class should not be toppled, and if they do get knocked down a few pegs, they should have full rights to empty the country and flee overseas. After all, it't only fair, right?

Does that servile mind of yours ever think that maybe, just MAYBE, that there could be a group of parasites whose ill-gotten wealth was created through exclusion, nepotism, whose only reason for existence is because they created a chokehold on a fe specializations?


Yeah, um, that's what Mugabe did. Gave the money to his cronies. The white farmers were citizens of Zimbabwe. They had lived there for generations. The British government was out. People told Mugabe this would happen, if he seized the land. He did it anyway. Where is your condemnation for him?

Do you even have one bit of understanding of history?
 
2013-01-30 01:40:56 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Not after I pay my rent


Same here. :(
 
2013-01-30 01:41:42 AM

Kevin72: Kevin72: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?


This was fait acompli a dozen years ago. They tried warning Mugabe... the white farmers were there for generations and predicted the oh so predictable debacle as the natives were in no way trained to just take over the farms. If anything, it was worse than predicted.

Ooooops I read that wrong. I had the troll on ignore and didn't read the part that the azzhole troll was implying that Obama was going to do that.


No worries, I kinda figured that's what you did.
 
2013-01-30 01:44:25 AM
So, what you're saying is that I could buy Zimbabwe and use it as a life-sized civilization game? Quick! Someone buy Mozambique and Botswana and we can play together.
 
2013-01-30 01:44:28 AM

super_grass: Yup, a wealthy ruling class should not be toppled, and if they do get knocked down a few pegs, they should have full rights to empty the country and flee overseas. After all, it't only fair, right?

Does that servile mind of yours ever think that maybe, just MAYBE, that there could be a group of parasites whose ill-gotten wealth was created through exclusion, nepotism, whose only reason for existence is because they created a chokehold on a fe specializations?


Mugabe's land reforms were not some populist, workers of the world unite, union strong gesture. He relocated and/or tortured and murdered the competent black farm workers right alongside the white owners. Most Zimbabweans opposed the policies.

He took the wealth *away* from the people of his country, gave it to his own elite ruling class of relatives and henchmen, and let it go to ruin. What part of this do you not get?
 
2013-01-30 01:46:38 AM

freewill: super_grass: Yup, a wealthy ruling class should not be toppled, and if they do get knocked down a few pegs, they should have full rights to empty the country and flee overseas. After all, it't only fair, right?

Does that servile mind of yours ever think that maybe, just MAYBE, that there could be a group of parasites whose ill-gotten wealth was created through exclusion, nepotism, whose only reason for existence is because they created a chokehold on a fe specializations?

Mugabe's land reforms were not some populist, workers of the world unite, union strong gesture. He relocated and/or tortured and murdered the competent black farm workers right alongside the white owners. Most Zimbabweans opposed the policies.

He took the wealth *away* from the people of his country, gave it to his own elite ruling class of relatives and henchmen, and let it go to ruin. What part of this do you not get?


The part that doesn't jive with his impenetrable narrative. Otherwise known as "all of it".
 
2013-01-30 01:47:36 AM

viscountalpha:
I don't defend any of the incorrect policies that the white people might of had in zimbabwe but murdering and stealing is completely justifiable right?

And now it's destabilized the entire country.

You really are a complete ignorant fark and I'm done with you.


coeyagi:
Yeah, um, that's what Mugabe did. Gave the money to his cronies. The white farmers were citizens of Zimbabwe.

They had lived there for generations. The British government was out. People told Mugabe this would happen, if he seized the land. He did it anyway. Where is your condemnation for him?


4.bp.blogspot.com
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s3-ak.buzzfed.com

Congratulations, you minds have now been freed.
 
2013-01-30 01:50:09 AM

super_grass: coeyagi: super_grass: RabidJade: super_grass:
Because seizing stolen land property from your former oppressors and giving it back to your people is wrong.
Not having capital after they flee the country with a good chunk wealth and knowledge is wrong.
Not having skilled management because you were systematically barred from government and education is wrong.
Having a hard time with autonomy self-rule after it was taken away from you for more than a generation is wrong.

Clearly, Zimbabwe should have stayed with the status quo. You might be a second-class citizen in your own land, but at least the upper crust gets to run everything, right?

Because fighting oppression with oppression always works out in the end? Let's give out formerly productive and fertile farmland as a reward to someone who hasn't did anything with their life other than killings others. Breadbasket to food aid queen in a matter of years, guaranteed!

You must be in favor of Monarchies and CEO bonuses.

Guess what? Zimbabwe followed through with killing/eating the rich and now they have no more masters. I guess that's less important than a well-pampered lapdog of you masters though...

This is some magical reasoning. It's justified to get rid of the masters at the threat of death, but man, what assholes they are for taking their wealth with them!

Please proceed, governor. Still waiting for someone to back you.

Yup, a wealthy ruling class should not be toppled, and if they do get knocked down a few pegs, they should have full rights to empty the country and flee overseas. After all, it't only fair, right?

Does that servile mind of yours ever think that maybe, just MAYBE, that there could be a group of parasites whose ill-gotten wealth was created through exclusion, nepotism, whose only reason for existence is because they created a chokehold on a fe specializations?


They went from a class of wealth via positive production to a class where wealth is based off of a dictatorship and cronies system. Unless there is a true flat social system in place there will always be rich and poor in a given country. In this case they just chased off the rich producers and replaced them with an oppressive ruling party. Kind of like ripping the top 25% out of the US and replacing the ruling party with the self absorbed kids at the OWS protests.

//British shouldn't be forgotten for what they did but it doesn't excuse what is currently happening
 
2013-01-30 01:51:16 AM

gadian: So, what you're saying is that I could buy Zimbabwe and use it as a life-sized civilization game? Quick! Someone buy Mozambique and Botswana and we can play together.


That would be better for Risk, wouldn't it?
 
2013-01-30 01:52:41 AM

Rufus Lee King: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x439]


I have one of these bills, you can buy them on Ebay for a few bucks.
 
2013-01-30 01:54:51 AM

RabidJade: They went from a class of wealth via positive production to a class where wealth is based off of a dictatorship and cronies system. Unless there is a true flat social system in place there will always be rich and poor in a given country. In this case they just chased off the rich producers and replaced them with an oppressive ruling party. Kind of like ripping the top 25% out of the US and replacing the ruling party with the self absorbed kids at the OWS protests.

//British shouldn't be forgotten for what they did but it doesn't excuse what is currently happening


I'm glad you realized this. Just think about what you just said the next time there's an economics discussion.
 
2013-01-30 01:58:36 AM

Gyrfalcon: That would be better for Risk, wouldn't it?


Nah. I've got bad luck with dice games. I'd lose 50 dudes against one, flip over the board, and sulk for the afternoon. Sulking is not befitting of the new Empress of Zimbabwe.
 
2013-01-30 02:00:05 AM
*reads comments*

I'm going back to that article/thread about nice butts.
 
2013-01-30 02:36:22 AM
For the people blaming the "West" there are a bunch of countries that were colonies foremost amoung which is India and they did not turn out like Zimbabwe.
 
2013-01-30 02:36:45 AM
I probably want have to sell my water and mineral rights for dept reduction. And then be forced to use those dollars they give me to make industries to take those things.
 
2013-01-30 02:37:45 AM

megarian: *reads comments*

I'm going back to that article/thread about nice butts.


Where was that? I must have missed it : (
 
2013-01-30 02:43:39 AM

stonent: So they have 16 trillion more in their bank than the US does....


Came here to say this!
 
2013-01-30 03:06:10 AM

coeyagi: freewill: super_grass: Yup, a wealthy ruling class should not be toppled, and if they do get knocked down a few pegs, they should have full rights to empty the country and flee overseas. After all, it't only fair, right?

Does that servile mind of yours ever think that maybe, just MAYBE, that there could be a group of parasites whose ill-gotten wealth was created through exclusion, nepotism, whose only reason for existence is because they created a chokehold on a fe specializations?

Mugabe's land reforms were not some populist, workers of the world unite, union strong gesture. He relocated and/or tortured and murdered the competent black farm workers right alongside the white owners. Most Zimbabweans opposed the policies.

He took the wealth *away* from the people of his country, gave it to his own elite ruling class of relatives and henchmen, and let it go to ruin. What part of this do you not get?

The part that doesn't jive with his impenetrable narrative. Otherwise known as "all of it".


Dunno if using it incorrectly is a farkism but....

The word you meant to use is "jibe" (look it up)

"Jive" is what blacksploitation movie pimps speak.
 
2013-01-30 03:13:08 AM
Zimbabwe will be much better off when Mugabe (and his political friends) is gone. It'll also be better off when the farmland isn't in the hands of a small number of landowners who have inherited it over the years from the colonial ancestors that took it by force. The white farmers like to claim they only have a very small percentage of Zimbabwe's land, which is true. What they leave out is that the have most of the arable land.

Botswana next door has gone from being one of the poorest countries in the world at the time of their independence to a county with a per capita GDP equal to some part of the US (crappy parts of the US but still, quite an accomplishment in a relatively short period of time). Zimbabwe probably could too but like so many countries after colonization ended, the resulting power vacuum allowed a terrible leader to take power. In most of the other countries, those leaders have since been replaced and the countries are on a path to a better place (most of them anyway).

But Mugabe has held on and that sucks for Zimbabwe. When he loses power, probably by death, even if the country ended up with good leadership, the land issue would still have to be resolved. Not an easy thing to do now that the white farmers have held on to it for so long. From their perspective, they were born in Zimbabwe and have as much right to property ownership as any other citizen. Of course that's an easy position to take when stolen land has been handed down to you through generations.

The best thing might be for the government to take ownership of the land but lease it back to the white farmers at a good rate with the understanding that the leases over time will be bid out to everyone. This gives those with the expertise to farm the land that feeds the country a chance to transition to a country not built on theft by white ancestors nor racism by Mugabe and friends. Not sure if this is actually possible given how deep the tensions between the groups goes.
 
2013-01-30 03:22:21 AM
I find it bizarre that for once I have more in my wallet than a nation in the world. Normally my wallet's empty.


At $300 or so in my wallet I go into 'killaman' mode, where I'll try to kill a mugger instead of just handing shiat over. Never been mugged, though, and All hoping, never will.
 
2013-01-30 03:26:31 AM

super_grass: RabidJade: They went from a class of wealth via positive production to a class where wealth is based off of a dictatorship and cronies system. Unless there is a true flat social system in place there will always be rich and poor in a given country. In this case they just chased off the rich producers and replaced them with an oppressive ruling party. Kind of like ripping the top 25% out of the US and replacing the ruling party with the self absorbed kids at the OWS protests.

//British shouldn't be forgotten for what they did but it doesn't excuse what is currently happening

I'm glad you realized this. Just think about what you just said the next time there's an economics discussion.


Ugh. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. You're equating Zimbabwe with the Congo. Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) used to be one of the richest countries on Africa and was a net exporter. I'm not going to argue that it was a utopia for every citizen but the vast majority of their problems are self inflicted.

And fyi, the white farmers they ran off stayed behind for decades when the British left, they were citizens employing thousands of other citizens. Mugabe's cronies that got the farms spent more time breaking up the farming equipment for scrap metal than using them to farm. Real workers' revolution there.
 
2013-01-30 03:28:33 AM
super_grass: Because seizing stolen land property from your former oppressors and giving it back to your people is wrong.
Not having capital after they flee the country with a good chunk wealth and knowledge is wrong.
Not having skilled management because you were systematically barred from government and education is wrong.
Having a hard time with autonomy self-rule after it was taken away from you for more than a generation is wrong.

freewill: As I understand it, the people whose land he "seized" were citizens of Zimbabwe. The British stopped helping the government buy it back from voluntary sellers after they realized Mugabe was using the land to enrich his cronies, not the people, and a referendum to pass legislation to seize the land through a legal process was rejected. That was when Mugabe used his thugs to start storming white-owned farms, not for transfer to the people but to his elite supporters.

Later, he took to bulldozing the homes of tens of thousands of the urban poor as part of a claimed effort to drive them into the countryside in order to force them to learn subsistence farming to resolve the famine caused by turning the farms into his party goons' personal palaces. In reality, the urban poor hate his guts and he just wanted to hurt them for opposing him.

Don't even farking try, dude. This is not "having a hard time with autonomy". Mugabe is an evil motherfarker who has disregarded his own people and intentionally inflicted far greater horrors on his country than the colonial British ever did, however wrong they were.


Yup. Seizing the farms "for black Zimbabweans" was paying off the cops to declare you a "true Zimbabwean" and escort you over there with guns to seize it.

Well, the thing was, this isn't like stealing an oil well where wealth just changes hands. The people who seized it had no expertise or desire to farm, they just wanted some land, something to sell. Productivity stopped, it's not like you could work with a bank or equipment vendors or food processors, they had no business experience and were thieves. I assume many just sold off anything of value.

So basically they might see a "rich" neighbor with a $20M farm being all selfish and bourgeois, decided to seize it to even things out, and got about $20,000 of real estate value and equipment liquidation out of it. Bottom line, most of the "wealth" just dissolved as it was permanently scrapped for pennies on the dollar. The wealth of the nation was basically gone, not simply taken.

.
 
2013-01-30 03:29:47 AM

GUTSU: Especially when you force out all the rich, white, educated people.


Zimbabwe had a good number of rich black people. Only problem is, a good many took one look at Mugabe and were on the first flight out. Yes the people native to Zimbabwe left before the whites did.
 
2013-01-30 03:39:13 AM

Saberus Terras: I find it bizarre that for once I have more in my wallet than a nation in the world. Normally my wallet's empty.


At $300 or so in my wallet I go into 'killaman' mode, where I'll try to kill a mugger instead of just handing shiat over. Never been mugged, though, and All hoping, never will.


Well, there's a long list of significant people who went bankrupt, i.e. not worth $1. Burt Reynolds, Stephen Baldwin, Abraham Lincoln, Willie Nelson, Mike Tyson, MC Hammer, Michael Jackson.... all worth LESS THAN NOTHING.
 
2013-01-30 04:09:31 AM

TommyymmoT: "Zimbabwe's economy went into free-fall at the turn of the millennium, after President Robert Mugabe began seizing white-owned farms. The move demolished investor confidence in the country, paralysed production, prompted international sanctions and scared off tourists."

So, how's that racism workin out for ya?


It's arguable it was more of a class divide than a racial divide. Their being white was just an excuse, their basic motivation WAS just to take their shiat.
 
2013-01-30 04:32:14 AM
They're running a surplus, which is more than the US can say.
 
2013-01-30 04:34:37 AM

Lunchlady: super_grass: RabidJade: They went from a class of wealth via positive production to a class where wealth is based off of a dictatorship and cronies system. Unless there is a true flat social system in place there will always be rich and poor in a given country. In this case they just chased off the rich producers and replaced them with an oppressive ruling party. Kind of like ripping the top 25% out of the US and replacing the ruling party with the self absorbed kids at the OWS protests.

//British shouldn't be forgotten for what they did but it doesn't excuse what is currently happening

I'm glad you realized this. Just think about what you just said the next time there's an economics discussion.

Ugh. You don't have a clue what you're talking about. You're equating Zimbabwe with the Congo. Zimbabwe (Rhodesia) used to be one of the richest countries on Africa and was a net exporter. I'm not going to argue that it was a utopia for every citizen but the vast majority of their problems are self inflicted.

And fyi, the white farmers they ran off stayed behind for decades when the British left, they were citizens employing thousands of other citizens. Mugabe's cronies that got the farms spent more time breaking up the farming equipment for scrap metal than using them to farm. Real workers' revolution there.


It's no use. That simpleton won't understand if you present actual facts to them.

img593.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-30 04:42:32 AM
Sounds like somebody needs to make a run to Kinko's to print off some more money. Double-sided on the nicer paper stock.

Hey who has the master of the quadrillion dollar note? I know it's around here somewhere...
 
2013-01-30 05:15:14 AM

mexican bathtub cheese: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?

Yes, the guns and bibles crowd. Or maybe you forgot about that one.


Where IS winterwhile anyway?

Is it terrible if I say I hope he hasn't gone to rehab?

/he was my favorite tard
 
2013-01-30 05:43:33 AM
The same thing happened to Uganda when the whites and Indians were displaced. The people in Zimbabwe deserve thier fate. This is why certain people do not deserve self rule.
 
2013-01-30 05:44:44 AM
zombat:
"For the people blaming the "West" there are a bunch of countries that were colonies foremost amoung which is India and they did not turn out like Zimbabwe."

You don't have to go that far away. Just look to zambia, former northern rhodesia. Far less developed, far less resources, but now much better off than zimb.

Sometimes it almost seems like the african countries with the most resources were the most farked by warlords/tyrants after the downfall of the colonial era (see: belgian congo).
 
2013-01-30 05:48:44 AM
Mid_mo_mad_man:
"The same thing happened to Uganda when the whites and Indians were displaced. The people in Zimbabwe deserve thier fate. This is why certain people do not deserve self rule."

I know you are a troll, but I'm biting anyway, dunno why.

This wasn't self-rule. This was a violent despot.

By "certain people" I assume you are making a veiled reference to race.
 
2013-01-30 05:50:51 AM
So I'm guessing it's yet another third world country to which we're going to give 10 billion dollars we don't have?
 
2013-01-30 05:54:59 AM
EngineerAU:

"Botswana next door has gone from being one of the poorest countries in the world at the time of their independence to a county with a per capita GDP equal to some part of the US (crappy parts of the US but still, quite an accomplishment in a relatively short period of time). Zimbabwe probably could too but like so many countries after colonization ended, the resulting power vacuum allowed a terrible leader to take power. In most of the other countries, those leaders have since been replaced and the countries are on a path to a better place (most of them anyway)."

Not sure if botswana is a fair comparison. Its a giant desert with a tiny population (like 4 million or something?). And it has massive diamond mines which provide much of its income.

I've been there and most people are not exactly living to american standards, but I'm guessing a large amount of their gdp goes to medical treatment for their nearly 40 pct hiv rate.

But you do make good points. I'm curious though, how many white farmers are still in zimb? Did they get invited back after the country went into massive inflation and dire straits after mugabe's land reforms?
 
2013-01-30 05:55:27 AM

super_grass: Colonialism and centuries of oppression by the west Britain has rendered a nation unable to fend for itself or manage its finances and now we're looking down on them?

It takes a special kind of ignorance and assholery to do that.


Stop whining. They wanted independence. They got it. It's not our problem they didn't know what to do with their country once they gained control of it.
 
2013-01-30 06:16:16 AM
What mob keeps money in the bank? At the end of the week the thugocracy takes whatever they collected and divies it up. The country may have $217 in the bank but I'll bet Mugabe has millions if not billions.
 
2013-01-30 06:22:29 AM

stonent: So they have 16 trillion more in their bank than the US does....


We pretty much all do, balance sheet wise.

TerminalEchoes: Stop whining. They wanted independence. They got it. It's not our problem they didn't know what to do with their country once they gained control of it.


Everybody wants democracy. Then they confuse it with shangri-la.
 
2013-01-30 06:45:16 AM
hey how bout that, i actually do
 
2013-01-30 06:52:53 AM

mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-30 07:02:57 AM

moothemagiccow: Zimbabwe had tourists?


There's the Zimbabwe ruins.

But they're only special because they're in Africa and thus build by black people.

4th to 7th century ruins in Europe, meh, 4th to 7th century ruins in Africa, fascinating!
 
2013-01-30 07:13:03 AM

TommyymmoT: mexican bathtub cheese: [...] Oh and don't forget "you didn't build that". It's a real crowd pleaser with people who actually work for a living, something Obama has never done.

Are you a troll, or just one of the morons that keep repeating line that out of context?


Yes.
 
2013-01-30 07:14:02 AM
But, Paul Krugman has said repeatedly that if the government takes enough privately-created wealth, the economy will boom.
 
2013-01-30 07:17:16 AM

RabidJade: Kind of like ripping the top 25% out of the US and replacing the ruling party with the self absorbed kids at the OWS protests.


I see you didn't get the memo.
 
2013-01-30 07:24:17 AM

TommyymmoT: Pssst the stock market is at an all time high, and investor confidence is growing.


This is a repeat from 1929, 1987, 2000 and 2007.
 
2013-01-30 07:33:49 AM
The derp is strong with this one. And by 'this one', I mean 'this thread'.

Between the oh-so-apropos comparisons between Mugabe and Obama and the poorly-executed schadenfreude (on Fark, no less), I hardly know where to start.

That and I'm wondering if super_grass woke up this morning and said to himself, "I want to try something new today. I know! I'll defend a despotic, sociopathic, xenophobic tyrant in a thread on the internet!"

Or is this the same old fare?

Anyway, I'm with that other guy, off to the thread about nice butts.
 
2013-01-30 07:34:19 AM

super_grass: Because seizing stolen land property from your former oppressors and giving it back to your people is wrong.


Ummm... they took land from people who knew how to farm and gave it to people who didn't know how to farm. Also, they often burned all the crops and killed all the livestock as they were driving the previous owners out.

Not having capital after they flee the country with a good chunk wealth and knowledge is wrong.

Very few were able to take more than the clothes on their backs when they fled.

Not having skilled management because you were systematically barred from government and education is wrong.

Giving someone who was barred from education a job that requires an education is wrong. And stupid.

Having a hard time with autonomy self-rule after it was taken away from you for more than a generation is wrong.

The US seemed to do fine once we kicked out the Brits.
 
2013-01-30 07:46:05 AM

mexican bathtub cheese:
Oh and don't forget "you didn't build that". It's a real crowd pleaser with people who actually work for a living, something Obama has never done.


Keep watching Fox news.

I think that's the only channel that took that quote out of the context, to make it mean the opposite of what he said.

The problem for you is, you're not on the Fox message board, so now you look like an idiot, rather than one of the gang.
 
2013-01-30 07:48:24 AM

ii_hctub: I don't see what's so funny. That would mean Zimbabwe has about 17 trillion more dollars than the US.


USA just prints more when it needs it, Zimbabwe doesn't even have their own currency.

It would be better to compare them with Greece.
 
2013-01-30 08:12:12 AM

o'really: Mid_mo_mad_man:
"The same thing happened to Uganda when the whites and Indians were displaced. The people in Zimbabwe deserve thier fate. This is why certain people do not deserve self rule."

I know you are a troll, but I'm biting anyway, dunno why.

This wasn't self-rule. This was a violent despot.

By "certain people" I assume you are making a veiled reference to race.


No I'm not. There are certain places in the world that either need to be ruled by an iron fist or dissolved into micro countries. Prime example is the former Yugoslavia. It needed a Tito or broken up which eventually happen. Europe whittled out these artificial countries in Africa and it's still a mess
 
2013-01-30 08:12:41 AM

coeyagi: //Alright, no more hanging out with amateur hour, going back to a tab where the derp is at least informed derp.


Wait a minute... We have such a tab? Which one?!

/It's "Geek", isn't it?
 
2013-01-30 08:53:17 AM

Dragonflew: Poverty is not just amusing, it's HILARIOUS!


This has nothing to do with poverty. This has everything to do with gross missmanagement and corruption, motivated by racism and greed. Robert Mugabe's inner circle has stolen more than $2 Billion In Diamonds which was supposed to finance Zimbabwe's health and education sector.
So, no. They may be begging for handouts from the international community, but they should look at their dictator because he actually has all the cash.
 
2013-01-30 08:54:19 AM
Missing the point here, you only need money if you intend to pay for things. And Zimbabwe's govt doesn't. Simples!
Zimbabwe will never recover from Mugabe's incompetance and thievery in our lifetimes. Countries do not get better after the government, army and police have all been stuffed with ineducated crooks and bigots without another, competant, country coming in and setting up a well trained and honest administration. And that's not going to happen.
 
2013-01-30 09:06:35 AM
s3.amazonaws.com

lol those stupid foreigners
 
2013-01-30 09:13:50 AM

davidphogan: I just realized... The Kochs want to buy the US, but obviously haven't figured it out quite yet. Has anyone suggested they just buy Zimbabwe instead? It would probably be way cheaper.


While you're at it, suggest that they move from Central Park South to the South Bronx. I figure you got the same shot on either count.
 
2013-01-30 09:43:57 AM
Mid_mo_mad_man:
"There are certain places in the world that either need to be ruled by an iron fist or dissolved into micro countries."

Zimb was ruled by the iron fist of mugabe for 30 years. Clearly, that worked out.

What do you think will solve their current mess? Breaking it into micro-countries? A different dictator? The us setting up a puppet govt? You did say some people don't deserve the right to self-rule. You think they should revert to being a colony again?

This is not an issue of too many tribes/ethnicities. It's a guy who uses violence to plunder a country with lots of natural resources.
 
2013-01-30 10:00:00 AM

tinfoil-hat maggie: megarian: *reads comments*

I'm going back to that article/thread about nice butts.

Where was that? I must have missed it : (


http://m.fark.com/comments/7562591?from_page=main
(Mobile device)

Lots of eye-bleach. Enjoy!
 
2013-01-30 10:16:48 AM
Fark! Zimbabwai has more money than me! Not Cool.
 
2013-01-30 10:19:03 AM
Could someone please explain how exactly these people are better off now than they were under colonial rule?
 
2013-01-30 10:30:20 AM
hmmm so taking from the rich and middle class and giving to the poor didn't work? wow what a shocker
can someone please present this example to King Obama and all his Liberal sheep.
www.thoughtsfromaconservativemom.com
 
2013-01-30 10:36:09 AM

o'really: Mid_mo_mad_man:
"There are certain places in the world that either need to be ruled by an iron fist or dissolved into micro countries."

Zimb was ruled by the iron fist of mugabe for 30 years. Clearly, that worked out.

What do you think will solve their current mess? Breaking it into micro-countries? A different dictator? The us setting up a puppet govt? You did say some people don't deserve the right to self-rule. You think they should revert to being a colony again?

This is not an issue of too many tribes/ethnicities. It's a guy who uses violence to plunder a country with lots of natural resources.


Revert to white minority rule with slow extension of rights to blacks. Kinda of a baby step way majority rule
 
2013-01-30 10:46:32 AM

coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: coeyagi: mexican bathtub cheese: And we just reelected the idiot who is trying to inflict the same economic policies on the United States.

Have a good look, it's where we're headed.

He is trying to get rid of white farmers? Got a link?

Yes, the guns and bibles crowd. Or maybe you forgot about that one.

What economic horrors has he levied against them?

Not too fast, I need to get some popcorn first...

Oh and don't forget "you didn't build that". It's a real crowd pleaser with people who actually work for a living, something Obama has never done.

This is barely competent rhetoric even by Freeper standards. You should feel ashamed at whacking off to St. Reagan portraits so frequently. What would baby Jesus think?


Well republican Jesus would say he hasn't done it frequently enough and then shoot him.
 
2013-01-30 10:57:39 AM
They may only have a few hundred in US DOLLARS, but think how much they have in their own money! They must have hundreds of trillions!!!

/Has next to nothing in the bank.
//This thread is full of VERY crazy ppl.
///I'm only mostly crazy, so my environmental impact is minimal.
 
2013-01-30 11:32:44 AM

clane: hmmm so taking from the rich and middle class and giving to the poor didn't work?


We haven't actually tried it in something like 30 years.

What a shocker indeed.
 
2013-01-30 12:34:24 PM

Brainsick: freewill: They used to have a wonderful wildlife preserve, until they were forced to eat all the animals.

Sounds like something from Douglas Adams

/They should get a Kickstarter page


Thanks, I just imagined that in the Hitchhiker's Guide now...
 
2013-01-30 02:14:24 PM

stonent: So they have 16 trillion more in their bank than the US does....


Came here to say that. At least Zimbabwe has a surplus compared to a $17T deficit.
 
2013-01-30 02:23:48 PM
Nope!
 
2013-01-30 04:06:03 PM
Ironically enough

they are now also having an issue with buying maize from Ex. Zim-farmers that where chased of their farms and forced to move northwards.

the issue being that these farmers are clearly labeling the sacks in which the maize are being transported as coming from an ex Zim-Farmer.
 
2013-01-30 04:21:49 PM

3rotor: Ironically enough

they are now also having an issue with buying maize from Ex. Zim-farmers that where chased of their farms and forced to move northwards.

the issue being that these farmers are clearly labeling the sacks in which the maize are being transported as coming from an ex Zim-Farmer.


Damn that invader Zim!

/Gir is my hero.
//I'm gonna sing the doom song now!
 
2013-01-30 04:32:32 PM

coeyagi: //Hint: To have that happen, you should create an ALT and then defend yourself with your cool new alter ego.


We can do that?
 
2013-01-30 04:39:14 PM
Damn I have more money than that in the 5 gallon bottle next to my desk at home.
 
2013-01-30 07:06:57 PM

johnboy2978: stonent: So they have 16 trillion more in their bank than the US does....

Came here to say that. At least Zimbabwe has a surplus compared to a $17T deficit.


You don't seem to understand how debt and deficits work. Just because we're in debt and have deficit doesn't mean we don't have cash; if it did the government couldn't operate.
 
2013-01-30 08:29:25 PM

giftedmadness: ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: johnboy2978: stonent: So they have 16 trillion more in their bank than the US does....

Came here to say that. At least Zimbabwe has a surplus compared to a $17T deficit.

You don't seem to understand how debt and deficits work. Just because we're in debt and have deficit doesn't mean we don't have cash; if it did the government couldn't operate.

ur a farking moron, the only reason our government is able to operate is because we keep raising the debt ceiling and we keep borrowing more money.


You apparently lack reading comprehension skills. Basically, I'm saying the US government doesn't have the equivalent of bank account overdrawn $17 trillion. Just because we owe money doesn't mean we don't have cash; not enough cash for longterm or even the mediumterm, to be sure. But, we don't have a -$17 trillion "bank account" balance.
 
2013-01-31 12:02:42 PM

johnboy2978: stonent: So they have 16 trillion more in their bank than the US does....

Came here to say that. At least Zimbabwe has a surplus compared to a $17T deficit.


ok so where would you invest and settledown?
 
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