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2013-01-29 09:40:52 PM  
Yay guns!
 
2013-01-29 09:41:07 PM  
Boobies
 
2013-01-29 09:41:13 PM  
And here's your daily anti-gun story.

What's this guy's connection with the US government? Ex-marine? Ex-CIA agent?
 
2013-01-29 09:41:39 PM  
So now we have to outlaw hostages?
 
2013-01-29 09:41:46 PM  
If the driver was allowed to carry an assault rifle, this never would have happened. Thanks Obama.
 
2013-01-29 09:42:07 PM  

I Have Assumed Control: Boobies


Ahhhhhhahahaha!
 
2013-01-29 09:42:12 PM  
I'm sure it's another false-flag operation, the child is an actor, etc.
 
2013-01-29 09:42:16 PM  
Whoa, Dothan? Didn't think I'd ever see that towns name again after leaving Fort Rucker. Crazy.
 
2013-01-29 09:43:08 PM  
If only school bus drivers were armed, this would never happen!
 
2013-01-29 09:43:38 PM  
don't worry - the NRA has a rapid response unit ready to deploy at any time and all hours in order to protect the rights of nutball gun owners from gun grabbing libruls!

*whew*.

dodged that one!
 
2013-01-29 09:43:42 PM  
So just another Tuesday in Alabama then?
 
2013-01-29 09:44:20 PM  

Nina Haagen Dazs: So now we have to outlaw hostages?


No. Just six year olds.
 
2013-01-29 09:44:20 PM  
Hey, I don't mean to be rude, but can you guys just stop it. I mean just stop it. Stop hurting each other. It really makes the rest of us sad, and angry and well, frustrated.

Sit down and just stop it!
 
2013-01-29 09:44:25 PM  
FTA: Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard

WELL!  I mean after THAT clearly a 2nd Amendment solution was absolutely NECESSARY.
 
2013-01-29 09:44:28 PM  
WTF is wrong with people?
 
2013-01-29 09:44:39 PM  
Someone needs to make this illegal, and FAST.
 
2013-01-29 09:44:41 PM  
Oh man.  This is a guy who went so far as to prep an underground bunker on his property.  I'm guessing everything in the area is already boobie-trapped.
This won't end well.
 
2013-01-29 09:44:41 PM  
Where's Dirty Harry when you need him?
 
2013-01-29 09:44:57 PM  
Jimmy Lee Dykes

of course that's his name.
 
2013-01-29 09:45:20 PM  
solution to a school bus hijacking:

images.starpulse.com
 
2013-01-29 09:45:22 PM  
FTFA: James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing.

And yet he still had a gun

/why?
 
2013-01-29 09:45:23 PM  
All bus drivers should be armed.
 
2013-01-29 09:45:31 PM  
Pop quiz, hotshot.
 
2013-01-29 09:45:44 PM  
He's headed down to David Koreshville.
 
2013-01-29 09:45:45 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: And here's your daily anti-gun story.

What's this guy's connection with the US government? Ex-marine? Ex-CIA agent?


You seem to equate a small, local news outlet reporting on something rather shocking to ALL of the mass media outlets running this story 24/7. It's tiresome.
 
2013-01-29 09:45:51 PM  
If the Demorats weren't going to take our guns away he wouldn't have felt the urgency to exercise his 2nd Amendment rights.
 
2013-01-29 09:46:26 PM  
Oh hey look, let's post snarky comments about being trendily anti-gun! Not like actually worry about someone's child who's in a horrible situation or someone's father/son/brother who's heading to ICU...

Crap, I'm on fark, what am I thinkin'? How big was the gun's clip? Did it have assault bullets? If only our busses had bulletproof windows and panic rooms.
 
2013-01-29 09:46:27 PM  
Holy shiat. I definately don't see this ending well, but pray it does.
 
2013-01-29 09:46:28 PM  

penthesilea: Oh man.  This is a guy who went so far as to prep an underground bunker on his property.  I'm guessing everything in the area is already boobie-trapped.
This won't end well.


Lots of gunnuts have bunkers, nothing special about that.
 
2013-01-29 09:46:35 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: FTFA: James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing.

And yet he still had a gun

/why?


Probably because he's only been charged, not convicted.
 
2013-01-29 09:47:11 PM  
The article doesn't say which of the players (if any) are black and which are inbred rednecks. How do I know who to pull for?

Go to hell, oppressors!
 
2013-01-29 09:47:11 PM  
Now if the 6 year old was armed, this would have never happened.  Concealed carry works.
 
2013-01-29 09:47:14 PM  
Aw geez, not this shiat again...
 
2013-01-29 09:47:33 PM  
Anybody want to stop for a bag of boiled nuts?
 
2013-01-29 09:47:37 PM  
Took the "Dothan" route from Clearwater, FL up to Bloomington, IN one year instead of just doing I-75 to I-24 to I-65. It's a few hundred miles shorter but takes way longer.

Best thing I remember about Dothan -- hot boiled peanuts some guy just got done making outside his roadside restaurant. Also, there's this store on your way through that sells awesome bonsai trees. Still want to drive through there again and get one.
 
2013-01-29 09:47:47 PM  
I'm sure there's some sort of legislation that could have prevented this.
 
2013-01-29 09:47:49 PM  
Many Dothans died to bring us this headline.

cdn.gunaxin.com
 
2013-01-29 09:47:53 PM  

KarmicDisaster: Lots of gunnuts have bunkers, nothing special about that.


so since few gun owners have bunkers, you're conceding that 99.9% of all gun owners are no longer nuts?
 
2013-01-29 09:48:22 PM  
The bus pulled in

ursomniac: FTA: Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard


Did the bus pull into his driveway?
 
2013-01-29 09:48:23 PM  
All Dale County and Ozark City Schools will be closed Wednesday.

Well that's one way to get a day off.
 
2013-01-29 09:48:27 PM  
There you go, just assuming that "shot" means "shot with a gun." It could just mean that he was shooting hoops.
 
2013-01-29 09:48:35 PM  

DoctorCal: Anybody want to stop for a bag of boiled nuts?


lol, read my mind!
 
2013-01-29 09:48:39 PM  
So that would a total of like four teeth involved in all of this?
 
2013-01-29 09:48:44 PM  

Demetrius: All bus drivers six year olds should be armed.

 
2013-01-29 09:48:49 PM  
it's a really big-ass country with a lot of people in it.  shiat's gonna happen.  But Midland CIty, AL, Aurora, CO, Sandy Hook, CT?--they might was well be different countries.  And if this were Europe--they would be.  So it's not like there's some crisis happening in your backyard.  Well, unless you live in Chicago.  Then it might be.

Sorry about that.
 
2013-01-29 09:48:57 PM  

doyner: If the Demorats weren't going to take our guns away he wouldn't have felt the urgency to exercise his 2nd Amendment rights.


Good on you for getting a jump on the trolling. This will surely net you more bites as yet another Fark Gun Thread™ devolves into a sh*tstorm of name-calling, poo-flinging, and general chicanery.

Good luck!
 
2013-01-29 09:49:03 PM  

syrynxx: I'm sure there's some sort of legislation that could have prevented this.


Duh, kids should be homeschooled and not exposed to that hippy liberal sozialist crap that they have to leave the safety of their homes and bibles for.
 
2013-01-29 09:49:05 PM  

error 303: Whoa, Dothan? Didn't think I'd ever see that towns name again after leaving Fort Rucker. Crazy.


Dothan? Dammit I used to live in Enterprise. Stupid Alabama.
 
2013-01-29 09:49:25 PM  
Did I miss it in TFA? Is the Bus Driver OK? I mean, good on 'em for being defiant, but besides "being shot", what happened, how bad are they?

/And: "Who is the Bus Driver"?
 
2013-01-29 09:49:26 PM  
Shoot the hostage.
That's what I learned on TV.
 
2013-01-29 09:49:38 PM  
Oddly, I am in Dothan for work and I just drove by there earlier today. Wait- what if this is me doing this? Dammit.
 
2013-01-29 09:49:49 PM  
When did Alabama get schools?
 
2013-01-29 09:50:04 PM  
Davis said Dykes has lived at a residence on Private Road 1539 for about a year. He said Dykes constructed a "bunker" behind the residence with a PVC pipe leading to the back end of the residence.
"It's the craziest thing. He will be outside in his yard digging dirt at 2:30 in the morning," Davis, Jr. told the Eagle.


Maybe the cops can use the PVC pipe to send in nerve gas or something and peacefully resolve the situation. Who am I kidding this guy is going to get shot at least 20 times simultaneously no matter what.
 
2013-01-29 09:50:06 PM  

cavedonkey: /And: "Who is the Bus Driver"?


John Galt
 
2013-01-29 09:50:07 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: FTFA: James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing.

And yet he still had a gun

/why?


WTF? Second amendment that's why! It's the kid fault. If the six year old's second amendment rights weren't being trampled on by Obama himself, then she would no doubt have been packing, but it was nonetheless her duty as an American to have had that gun so she could prepare for the tyrannical federal government.. And she didn't.

/assumed it's a she. poor little girl.
 
2013-01-29 09:50:17 PM  

kronicfeld: There you go, just assuming that "shot" means "shot with a gun." It could just mean that he was shooting hoops.


Or shot with an arrow.

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-29 09:50:25 PM  
This armed society is getting more and more polite each day.
 
2013-01-29 09:50:28 PM  
Came for Dirty Harry.

BTW, the bad guy in the movie didn't shoot the bus driver, just knocked her out. Blame violent entertainment all you want but I can't think of any movies or games as bad as what real-life psychos are doing these days.
 
2013-01-29 09:50:42 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: When did Alabama get schools?


Thread over. Everyone else go home. I'm sure the eruption of laughter in a quiet office turned some heads.

Ahem..as you were.
 
2013-01-29 09:51:51 PM  

Nem Wan: BTW, the bad guy in the movie didn't shoot the bus driver, just knocked her out. Blame violent entertainment all you want but I can't think of any movies or games as bad as what real-life psychos are doing these days.


I dunno dude, did you see Mulan? Biatch be genocidin some Huns... and that's a KIDS movie.
 
2013-01-29 09:52:00 PM  

syrynxx: I'm sure there's some sort of legislation that could have prevented this.


Mandatory armed guards on every schoolbus (and outside every bunker.)
 
2013-01-29 09:52:14 PM  
I totally blame violent video games for this sort of thing.  Obviously, we NEED to ban Civilization V!  it leads to excessive violence of the most extreme sort.
 
2013-01-29 09:52:21 PM  
Oh no......
 
2013-01-29 09:52:28 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: When did Alabama get schools?


In 8th grade my gym coach was also my science teacher. We still had to call him "Coach". Or Sir.
 
2013-01-29 09:52:36 PM  

NittLion78: Many Dothans died to bring us this headline.

[cdn.gunaxin.com image 261x366]


Awesome
 
2013-01-29 09:52:38 PM  

MichiganFTL: KarmicDisaster: Lots of gunnuts have bunkers, nothing special about that.

so since few gun owners have bunkers, you're conceding that 99.9% of all gun owners are no longer nuts?


Didn't take you long to switch from "think about the poor child!!" did it?
 
2013-01-29 09:52:39 PM  
The man who is believed to be holed up in the Midland City hostage situation following a shooting on a school bus is Jimmy Lee Dykes, 65, who was scheduled to be in court Wednesday for a bench trial on a menacing charge.

My guess is that he's guilty.
 
2013-01-29 09:52:47 PM  
This is what happens when God isn't allowed on our school buses.
 
2013-01-29 09:52:54 PM  

doyner: If the Demorats weren't going to take our guns away court hadn't released him the first time he threatened someone with a gun he wouldn't have felt the urgency to exercise his 2nd Amendment rights been able to commit this crime with a gun too.


FTFY

FTA - "James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing."

This is what should have happened to him instead...

Link

Or

Link
 
2013-01-29 09:53:11 PM  

Eeek: Oddly, I am in Dothan for work and I just drove by there earlier today. Wait- what if this is me doing this? Dammit.


Hah! I didn't know that.
 
2013-01-29 09:53:22 PM  

mediablitz: Didn't take you long to switch from "think about the poor child!!" did it?


About 29 seconds, 2 clicks and an oreo.
 
2013-01-29 09:53:33 PM  

Nem Wan: Came for Dirty Harry.


Phrasing.
 
2013-01-29 09:53:51 PM  
But in the end the hostage-taker will get shot so I guess guns are a net good.

But he did shoot the bus driver, so I guess guns are neutral.

And at least two people will be dead, so I guess...

never mind.
 
2013-01-29 09:53:53 PM  
I think we all know what the bus driver's last words were.
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-01-29 09:54:05 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: The bus pulled inursomniac: FTA: Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard

Did the bus pull into his driveway?


That adds a sexual assault charge.
 
2013-01-29 09:54:31 PM  
Another responsible, law-abiding gun owner protecting us!
 
2013-01-29 09:55:10 PM  
For the love of all things holy, this nation needs mandatory Charm School.

You have shamed yourself again humanity.  It's easy to topple the brick tower in Romper Room and call youself the destroyer of worlds.

Try doing shiate that's cool for a change.
 
2013-01-29 09:55:26 PM  
If only there was a law against taking hostages, that poor child would be perfectly ok. Because laws prevent actions.
 
2013-01-29 09:55:30 PM  
Any relation to Judge Gladys Dykes?
/State v. Stoner.
 
2013-01-29 09:55:46 PM  
I wonder what type of gun he used. A Winchester .303 no doubt.
 
2013-01-29 09:56:31 PM  

KarmicDisaster: penthesilea: Oh man.  This is a guy who went so far as to prep an underground bunker on his property.  I'm guessing everything in the area is already boobie-trapped.
This won't end well.

Lots of gunnuts have bunkers, nothing special about that.


It's where they keep their well-regulated militias.
 
2013-01-29 09:56:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I wonder what type of gun he used. A Winchester .303 no doubt.


Duh! It was either an AR-15 or an AK-47.
 
2013-01-29 09:57:17 PM  

kronicfeld: Nem Wan: Came for Dirty Harry.

Phrasing.


Boom
 
2013-01-29 09:57:18 PM  
Alabama is definitely on my Top 50 list for Best States in the Union.
 
2013-01-29 09:58:02 PM  
People who turn tragic events into ways to forward their own agenda suck.
 
2013-01-29 09:58:20 PM  
This is exactly why we need to ban buses.
 
2013-01-29 09:58:22 PM  
A nut in an underground hut. This should end well.
 
2013-01-29 09:58:23 PM  
If all 6 year olds were allowed to carry concealed bazookas, this wouldn't have happened.
 
2013-01-29 09:58:30 PM  
...Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard...

WellThatEscalatedQuickly.jpg
 
2013-01-29 09:58:41 PM  
Omfg.
Wtf is wrong with people?
I'm rooting for the next plague.
 
2013-01-29 09:58:58 PM  

pxlboy: cameroncrazy1984: I wonder what type of gun he used. A Winchester .303 no doubt.

Duh! It was either an AR-15 or an AK-47.


It could have been a Glock.
 
2013-01-29 09:59:05 PM  

FinFangFark: This is exactly why we need to bang buses.

 
2013-01-29 09:59:08 PM  

Weaver95: I totally blame violent video games for this sort of thing. Obviously, we NEED to ban Civilization V! it leads to excessive violence of the most extreme sort.


Can we ban Doomsday Preppers from TV as well?
 
2013-01-29 09:59:09 PM  

MichiganFTL: Oh hey look, let's post snarky comments about being trendily anti-gun! Not like actually worry about someone's child who's in a horrible situation or someone's father/son/brother who's heading to ICU...

Crap, I'm on fark, what am I thinkin'? How big was the gun's clip? Did it have assault bullets? If only our busses had bulletproof windows and panic rooms.


To be fair, when I was a kid I'd have liked to have had access to a panic room on the school bus.
 
2013-01-29 09:59:19 PM  

LazerFish: People who turn tragic events into ways to forward their own agenda suck.


Especially when that agenda is to avoid tragic events!
 
2013-01-29 09:59:23 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: And here's your daily anti-gun story.

What's this guy's connection with the US government? Ex-marine? Ex-CIA agent?


A secret agent? cause that's what I am!

//bonus if you get the reference
 
2013-01-29 09:59:29 PM  

Surool: If all 6 year olds were allowed to carry concealed bazookas, this wouldn't have happened.


Backpazooka. Thanks for the idea for a new product.
 
2013-01-29 09:59:33 PM  

LazerFish: People who turn tragic events into ways to forward their own agenda suck.


Except that everyone not associated with the incident will do this whether they have a valid point or not. People are opportunistic dickholes, what can you do?
 
2013-01-29 10:00:11 PM  
As long as no one gets their gun taken away, we'll have a happy ending!
 
2013-01-29 10:00:37 PM  

Weaver95: Obviously, we NEED to ban Civilization V!


I am constantly asked why I NEED a trebuchet.  People ask me to download mods with reasonable restrictions on siege weapons, but I say they're in the original rules and I'm not compromising.
 
2013-01-29 10:00:37 PM  

untaken_name: If only there was a law against taking hostages, that poor child would be perfectly ok. Because laws prevent actions.


There are laws against taking hostages.

And they impede the rights of the majority of people who don't take hostages.
 
2013-01-29 10:00:46 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: LazerFish: People who turn tragic events into ways to forward their own agenda suck.

Especially when that agenda is to avoid tragic events!


Why oppose war only when there is a war?
 
2013-01-29 10:01:06 PM  

illannoyin: doyner: If the Demorats weren't going to take our guns away court hadn't released him the first time he threatened someone with a gun he wouldn't have felt the urgency to exercise his 2nd Amendment rights been able to commit this crime with a gun too.

FTFY

FTA - "James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing."

This is what should have happened to him instead...

Link

Or

Link


He was just ACCUSED. I'd be fine with his weapons being taken away until trial.
 
2013-01-29 10:01:18 PM  
I want to ask why the guy insisted he needed two kids aged 6-8 but I really don't want to know.
 
2013-01-29 10:01:19 PM  
The world has gone mad
 
2013-01-29 10:01:34 PM  
All gunfuggery aside, anyone else notice that he had an oddly specific requirement for hostages? Plus the whole bunker and thing?

/I've been to Dothan. It's the taint of Alabama.
 
2013-01-29 10:02:13 PM  

b0rg9: Took the "Dothan" route from Clearwater, FL up to Bloomington, IN one year instead of just doing I-75 to I-24 to I-65. It's a few hundred miles shorter but takes way longer.

Best thing I remember about Dothan -- hot boiled peanuts some guy just got done making outside his roadside restaurant. Also, there's this store on your way through that sells awesome bonsai trees. Still want to drive through there again and get one.


The best boiled peanuts are always sold by some guy on the side of the highway with fewer teeth than fingers, who looks like they haven't had a bath in about a year, usually with a big boiling pot and stove setup in the back of their pickup truck.
 
2013-01-29 10:02:22 PM  
But seriously, is the bus driver okay? The article doesn't say.
 
2013-01-29 10:02:39 PM  

MichiganFTL: mediablitz: Didn't take you long to switch from "think about the poor child!!" did it?

About 29 seconds, 2 clicks and an oreo.


Is Obama the oreo?
 
2013-01-29 10:02:56 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Weaver95: I totally blame violent video games for this sort of thing. Obviously, we NEED to ban Civilization V! it leads to excessive violence of the most extreme sort.

Can we ban Doomsday Preppers from TV as well?


nope, sorry but the NRA has made it very clear that video games (like Civilization) are to blame.  oh, and movies.  movies like...hmm...Star wars!  yeah, star wars showed an ENTIRE PLANET getting shot!  totally violent.  Doomsday Preppers?  that's not violent, that's just common sense for real 'muricans who just wanna be ready for when them damn libruls take over the gubbermint.

oh hells.  I can't hate on doomsday preppers.  I like the damn show.  can we leave that outta this?
 
2013-01-29 10:03:22 PM  
RESET THE CLOCK!!
 
2013-01-29 10:03:32 PM  

davidphogan: pxlboy: cameroncrazy1984: I wonder what type of gun he used. A Winchester .303 no doubt.

Duh! It was either an AR-15 or an AK-47.

It could have been a Glock.


Probably a Perazzi. I'm thinking he is a high end trap shooter, Alabama and all...
 
2013-01-29 10:03:55 PM  

PanicMan: But seriously, is the bus driver okay? The article doesn't say.


The bus driver was killed for not letting him grab two kids.
 
2013-01-29 10:04:26 PM  

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: Is Obama the oreo?


I just had the weirdest image including Biden and Oprah...
 
2013-01-29 10:05:18 PM  

b0rg9: Took the "Dothan" route from Clearwater, FL up to Bloomington, IN one year instead of just doing I-75 to I-24 to I-65. It's a few hundred miles shorter but takes way longer.

Best thing I remember about Dothan -- hot boiled peanuts some guy just got done making outside his roadside restaurant. Also, there's this store on your way through that sells awesome bonsai trees. Still want to drive through there again and get one.


Big ups to B-town.
 
2013-01-29 10:05:24 PM  

Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!


Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?
 
2013-01-29 10:06:28 PM  
Does anyone have any updated info?
 
2013-01-29 10:06:37 PM  

Gwendolyn: PanicMan: But seriously, is the bus driver okay? The article doesn't say.

The bus driver was killed for not letting him grab two kids.


Damn.
 
2013-01-29 10:07:00 PM  

LrdPhoenix: b0rg9: Took the "Dothan" route from Clearwater, FL up to Bloomington, IN one year instead of just doing I-75 to I-24 to I-65. It's a few hundred miles shorter but takes way longer.

Best thing I remember about Dothan -- hot boiled peanuts some guy just got done making outside his roadside restaurant. Also, there's this store on your way through that sells awesome bonsai trees. Still want to drive through there again and get one.

The best boiled peanuts are always sold by some guy on the side of the highway with fewer teeth than fingers, who looks like they haven't had a bath in about a year, usually with a big boiling pot and stove setup in the back of their pickup truck.


So while he's holed up with the chillins, we're gonna have to settle for the second best. Ideas?
 
2013-01-29 10:07:00 PM  
News says it's a Dyke that did the shooting.
 
2013-01-29 10:07:09 PM  
If prayer is not allowed on school busses, of course this is going to happen. Also, the shooter should have had more personal responsibility and taxes are too high.
 
2013-01-29 10:08:29 PM  

muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?


Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?
 
2013-01-29 10:08:38 PM  
As The Onion article succinctly pointed out - the real outrage of gun violence is that it creates an endless cycle of debate, and that makes Wayne LaPierre have a sad.

//Drew however probably makes big time dinero when kids die. Thanks a lot, link-clicking Farkers!
 
2013-01-29 10:09:13 PM  

PanicMan: Gwendolyn: PanicMan: But seriously, is the bus driver okay? The article doesn't say.

The bus driver was killed for not letting him grab two kids.

Damn.


I've only seen reports that the driver was shot 4 times (CNN). I haven't seen any confirmation that the driver was killed.
 
2013-01-29 10:09:15 PM  

Godscrack: News says it's a Dyke that did the shooting.


I didn't ask. Why did they tell?
 
2013-01-29 10:09:48 PM  
While I'm pretty sure that most gun owners don't have bunkers, I'm also pretty sure that most bunker owners have guns. Here's a idea: You can have a bunker or guns but not both. Would go a long way as a mental health test I'll bet.
 
2013-01-29 10:09:58 PM  

MichiganFTL: Oh hey look, let's post snarky comments about being trendily anti-gun! Not like actually worry about someone's child who's in a horrible situation or someone's father/son/brother who's heading to ICU...

Crap, I'm on fark, what am I thinkin'? How big was the gun's clip? Did it have assault bullets? If only our busses had bulletproof windows and panic rooms.


Because "I hope the kid will be OK" posts are so very useful, right?

There's a legitimate, ongoing, nationwide debate going on about taking legal steps to limit access to guns. Any situation that arises where guns are used in an unusual (and therefore newsworthy) criminal act is going to be fodder for that debate. Each such incident has the potential to change minds, and as such is a legitimate reason to continue the debate, folding the incident into the conversation, until the issue is settled. That's worthy of discussion.

No post here about hopes for the child's safety, or prayers for the bus driver, or sympathy for the kids on the bus or their parents will do much beyond making the poster feel good about having said something in empathy or sympathy for the people involved. Such wishes, well-intended as they might be, are not really worthy of discussion.

Hence, this thread becomes a discussion of the larger issues at hand.

/Interesting that not one of your own posts has anything to say about the people affected (precisely the lament here), nor do any of them seem to advance the debate on the larger issue. They're pretty much all snarky comments.
 
2013-01-29 10:10:33 PM  
ABC confirming bus driver fatality.
 
2013-01-29 10:12:15 PM  
 
2013-01-29 10:12:24 PM  

GAT_00: If only school bus drivers were armed, this would never happen!


Clearly raising taxes on the wealthiest americans would have prevented this.
 
2013-01-29 10:12:29 PM  

Bontesla: ABC confirming bus driver fatality.


Have you seen how they call elections?  I like his odds.
 
2013-01-29 10:13:14 PM  
The NRA has made a statement......

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At least I think they made a statement. It could of been a stroke.


/"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State,"
//Then the U.S. created an army and the second amendment was voided, just like a republicans bowels when a blackman votes.
 
2013-01-29 10:13:15 PM  

Bontesla: ABC confirming bus driver fatality.


*sigh*

another one for the list I guess.
 
2013-01-29 10:13:19 PM  

Bontesla: PanicMan: Gwendolyn: PanicMan: But seriously, is the bus driver okay? The article doesn't say.

The bus driver was killed for not letting him grab two kids.

Damn.

I've only seen reports that the driver was shot 4 times (CNN). I haven't seen any confirmation that the driver was killed.


That does it. We should issue bus drivers kevlar. Or maybe give them armor with counter measures - a flamethrower that activates when it senses a speeding projectile?
 
2013-01-29 10:13:29 PM  

Phony_Soldier: GAT_00: If only school bus drivers were armed, this would never happen!

Clearly raising taxes on the wealthiest americans would have prevented this.


No, raising taxes on bunker owners might have though.
 
2013-01-29 10:13:48 PM  

mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?


Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.
 
2013-01-29 10:14:17 PM  

Phony_Soldier: GAT_00: If only school bus drivers were armed, this would never happen!

Clearly raising taxes on the wealthiest americans would have prevented this.


Universal gay marriage rights would have prevented this.
 
2013-01-29 10:14:21 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: FTFA: James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing.

And yet he still had a gun

/why?


Because socialism.
 
2013-01-29 10:14:41 PM  

LadySusan: Does anyone have any updated info?


The only thing I've found so far is that the bus driver is dead.
 
2013-01-29 10:15:07 PM  

muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.


Wayne LaPierre wasn't being blamed.
 
2013-01-29 10:15:09 PM  

Katolu: I Have Assumed Control: Boobies

Ahhhhhhahahaha!


i.imgur.com
/appalled at the sensless violence; encourages boobies
 
2013-01-29 10:15:33 PM  

muck4doo: Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?


I'd be happier if he gave him a bunch of flowers and a foot massage, but we should probably stick to the facts of the situation.
 
2013-01-29 10:15:42 PM  

coeyagi: Phony_Soldier: GAT_00: If only school bus drivers were armed, this would never happen!

Clearly raising taxes on the wealthiest americans would have prevented this.

Universal gay marriage rights would have prevented this.


Legalized marijuana would have too!
 
2013-01-29 10:15:45 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: MaudlinMutantMollusk: FTFA: James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing.

And yet he still had a gun

/why?

Because socialism.


Corporations are to blame, you idiot.
 
2013-01-29 10:16:41 PM  

muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.


the theory goes that if maybe crazy people had less access to weaponry with high rates of fire, then maybe less death would be the result.  which, you have to admit, is an argument with some merit.  after all, it takes time to hunt down and chop a school bus full of kids into hamburger meat with an ax.  using a gun?  about 40 seconds sustained fire on full auto.  then pause to reload, and bullet hose the bus again for luck.  shiat, with the right gun you don't even have to get on the bus...you'll shoot right through the damn engine block.
 
2013-01-29 10:16:41 PM  

Wyalt Derp: muck4doo: Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

I'd be happier if he gave him a bunch of flowers and a foot massage, but we should probably stick to the facts of the situation.


Yes, the gun is to blame then.
 
2013-01-29 10:16:54 PM  
Gun owners vehemently defend their right to own guns and offer no solutions to reducing violence because they're patriots who care so much about their country by not caring about it. News at 11.
 
2013-01-29 10:17:09 PM  

muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.


It takes BOTH, get it? I realize you DESPERATELY don't want to admit it, but the crazy guy NEEDS the gun.

Sad to see you willfully ignorant.
 
2013-01-29 10:18:15 PM  

coeyagi: Phony_Soldier: GAT_00: If only school bus drivers were armed, this would never happen!

Clearly raising taxes on the wealthiest americans would have prevented this.

Universal gay marriage rights would have prevented this.


Or was it tax cuts?
 
2013-01-29 10:18:32 PM  

coeyagi: Gun owners vehemently defend their right to own guns and offer no solutions to reducing violence because they're patriots who care so much about their country by not caring about it. News at 11.


remember - discussing gun violence after a massacre and/or murder means you are 'playing politics'.  because - reasons!  yeah.
 
2013-01-29 10:18:54 PM  

mediablitz: Some updates here


The comments there make the Politics page look like Plato's classroom.
 
2013-01-29 10:18:58 PM  

great_tigers: coeyagi: Phony_Soldier: GAT_00: If only school bus drivers were armed, this would never happen!

Clearly raising taxes on the wealthiest americans would have prevented this.

Universal gay marriage rights would have prevented this.

Legalized marijuana would have too!


Not canceling Firefly would have prevented this.
 
2013-01-29 10:19:05 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: Because "I hope the kid will be OK" posts are so very useful, right?


*hugs* Stay safe, subby!
 
2013-01-29 10:19:32 PM  

mediablitz: muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.

It takes BOTH, get it? I realize you DESPERATELY don't want to admit it, but the crazy guy NEEDS the gun.

Sad to see you willfully ignorant.


Are you new here? Its muckadoo.
 
2013-01-29 10:19:40 PM  
I drove by there on my way home from work wondering what happened. That section of town is Deliverance type area. From everything they were saying on TV, the guy is certifiably nuts. He always called local talk shows going on about the government conspiracies and stuff.

But of course, here come the gun control folks trying to link this to Aurora and Sandy Hook. News flash: HE'S farkING CRAZY. Gun control laws won't protect ordinary citizens from people like this.
 
2013-01-29 10:19:45 PM  

muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: muck4doo: Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

I'd be happier if he gave him a bunch of flowers and a foot massage, but we should probably stick to the facts of the situation.

Yes, the gun is to blame then.


He had already been charged with menacing. Too bad there isn't a law saying you need to turn over your weapons until court.

But, you know, he was GOING to use a baseball bat this time. Cuz access to guns had NOTHING to do with this. Everyone holds hostages with a baseball bat, right?

Just change your handle to "willfully ignorant". It's more suitable.
 
2013-01-29 10:20:13 PM  

DoctorCal: 100 Watt Walrus: Because "I hope the kid will be OK" posts are so very useful, right?

*hugs* Stay safe, subby!



Pray for Omarion.
 
2013-01-29 10:20:30 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: Demetrius: All bus drivers six year olds should be armed.



All six-year-old bus drivers should be armed.
 
2013-01-29 10:20:39 PM  

LadySusan: mediablitz: Some updates here

The comments there make the Politics page look like Plato's classroom.


The answer, clearly, is MORE PRAYER.
 
2013-01-29 10:20:43 PM  

muck4doo: The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.


Someone said it was your fault?
 
2013-01-29 10:21:05 PM  
Google maps are kind of blurry there. It looks like we have what, a junkyard, a black church and maybe a couple nice homes at the end of the road. Or maybe just Alabama nice. Better aerial pix, anyone?
 
2013-01-29 10:21:14 PM  

Weaver95: Bontesla: ABC confirming bus driver fatality.

*sigh*

another one for the list I guess.


Tree of liberty and all that.
 
2013-01-29 10:21:24 PM  

ariseatex: kronicfeld: There you go, just assuming that "shot" means "shot with a gun." It could just mean that he was shooting hoops.

Or shot with an arrow.

[1.bp.blogspot.com image 494x350]


What if he used be an adventurer, like you?
 
2013-01-29 10:21:56 PM  
All buses should be armed with facial-recognition turrets tied into a national criminal database. Boom. C'mon, defense contractors and IT behemoths, you've got some skin in the game here.
 
2013-01-29 10:22:01 PM  

Weaver95: NewportBarGuy: Weaver95: I totally blame violent video games for this sort of thing. Obviously, we NEED to ban Civilization V! it leads to excessive violence of the most extreme sort.

Can we ban Doomsday Preppers from TV as well?

nope, sorry but the NRA has made it very clear that video games (like Civilization) are to blame.  oh, and movies.  movies like...hmm...Star wars!  yeah, star wars showed an ENTIRE PLANET getting shot!  totally violent.  Doomsday Preppers?  that's not violent, that's just common sense for real 'muricans who just wanna be ready for when them damn libruls take over the gubbermint.


You blame those preppers? Their bunkers serve as life pods for when an evil liberal Death Star does a drive-by on the planet.

But seriously, what the ever living fark is wrong with people? I cannot believe this sort of activity is uncommon, and only getting reported because of gun debates and 24-hour news channels. Have we, as a society, gone over the bend?
 
2013-01-29 10:22:02 PM  
Lift your coat and touch your toes, I'm gonna Jesus your schoolbus
 
2013-01-29 10:22:11 PM  

TheUltimateLink: But of course, here come the gun control folks trying to link this to Aurora and Sandy Hook. News flash: HE'S farkING CRAZY. Gun control laws won't protect ordinary citizens from people like this.


Even if they're gun control laws that prevent crazy folks from owning guns? Seems like that might be relevant.
 
2013-01-29 10:22:23 PM  

coeyagi: great_tigers: coeyagi: Phony_Soldier: GAT_00: If only school bus drivers were armed, this would never happen!

Clearly raising taxes on the wealthiest americans would have prevented this.

Universal gay marriage rights would have prevented this.

Legalized marijuana would have too!

Not canceling Firefly would have prevented this.


So far, I think "not cancelling Firefly, and legalizing weed" are the best suggestions for preventing this.

/I still think farkettes should do their part by sleeping around more.
//It might help.
 
2013-01-29 10:23:02 PM  

muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.


Your point may have some validity, but your deliberately missing the point you're arguing against just makes you look stupid.

Had this wacko been wielding an ax, do you think, for example, the bus driver might have had a better chance of defending himself/herself against the guy? Little bit harder to fight back against bullets at point blank range.

Again, if you have a salient point to make, try to make it without resorting to derp.
 
2013-01-29 10:23:22 PM  

PainfulItching: All gunfuggery aside, anyone else notice that he had an oddly specific requirement for hostages? Plus the whole bunker and thing?

/I've been to Dothan. It's the taint of Alabama.


Allow me to clarify, The unshaven, unwashed, nursing home quality taint of Alabama.

And don't ever, under any circumstances whatsover go to Opp, Alabama. That's pure concentrated Florida rednekkindess in one small town.

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/markets/Dothan

Links to local TV stations where these guys haven't even thought about the idea of streaming video.
 
2013-01-29 10:23:41 PM  

mediablitz: LadySusan: mediablitz: Some updates here

The comments there make the Politics page look like Plato's classroom.

The answer, clearly, is MORE PRAYER.


It's the least you can do.
 
2013-01-29 10:23:54 PM  

muck4doo: Corporations are to blame, you idiot.


Follow the money is always good advice, and

cdn.styleforum.net
 
2013-01-29 10:24:33 PM  

wambu: Katolu: I Have Assumed Control: Boobies

Ahhhhhhahahaha!

[i.imgur.com image 290x400]
/appalled at the sensless violence; encourages boobies


Woha. I'll be in my bunker.
 
2013-01-29 10:24:34 PM  

Phony_Soldier: coeyagi: great_tigers: coeyagi: Phony_Soldier: GAT_00: If only school bus drivers were armed, this would never happen!

Clearly raising taxes on the wealthiest americans would have prevented this.

Universal gay marriage rights would have prevented this.

Legalized marijuana would have too!

Not canceling Firefly would have prevented this.

So far, I think "not cancelling Firefly, and legalizing weed" are the best suggestions for preventing this.

/I still think farkettes should do their part by sleeping around more.
//It might help.


Legalizing weed may not be enough; it may need to be mandated.
 
2013-01-29 10:24:48 PM  

Weaver95: Bontesla: ABC confirming bus driver fatality.

*sigh*

another one for the list I guess.


Over and over and over again
 
2013-01-29 10:24:48 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: TheUltimateLink: But of course, here come the gun control folks trying to link this to Aurora and Sandy Hook. News flash: HE'S farkING CRAZY. Gun control laws won't protect ordinary citizens from people like this.

Even if they're gun control laws that prevent crazy folks from owning guns? Seems like that might be relevant.


People who make serious dinero from armed psychopaths and the criminally insane frown upon your shenanigans.

It's comments like this that make Baby Jesus cry and thusly lobby Wayne LaPierre to unleash the Facebook Photoshop infographic brigade.

For shame.
 
2013-01-29 10:25:04 PM  

LadySusan: mediablitz: Some updates here

The comments there make the Politics page look like Plato's classroom.


Gotta turn the tide... Why the hell are so many gun owners just straight-up murdering cocksuckers? Gun owners should do more gun-owning and less murdering.
 
2013-01-29 10:25:10 PM  

mediablitz: illannoyin: doyner: If the Demorats weren't going to take our guns away court hadn't released him the first time he threatened someone with a gun he wouldn't have felt the urgency to exercise his 2nd Amendment rights been able to commit this crime with a gun too.

FTFY

FTA - "James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing."

This is what should have happened to him instead...

Link

Or

Link

He was just ACCUSED. I'd be fine with his weapons being taken away until trial.


Absolutely. This is not some concealed carry guy defending himself. This is an unstable arsehole who was arrested for pulling a gun on a guy and his kid for driving on his lawn. Everyone in the neighborhood knows who this guy is. Get their testimony and build a case to...

Lock him up

Have him evaluated by three psychiatrists

Have him committed because he's crazy (normal people don't pull a gun for driving on their lawn no matter how old and crotchety they are) and get him the help he needs

While he's in the klink get a search warrant to unload his bunker

Sell all the guns and ammo confiscated to help offset the cost of his treatment

/There should be no second chance when it comes to gun crimes
 
2013-01-29 10:25:19 PM  
What a derp-fest in the comments.
"PRAY FOR THEM!"

How bout ask that we get an excellent sharpshooter that can take out this scumbag with one well placed shot to the forehead?
 
2013-01-29 10:25:27 PM  

mediablitz: Phony_Soldier: GAT_00: If only school bus drivers were armed, this would never happen!

Clearly raising taxes on the wealthiest americans would have prevented this.

No, raising taxes on bunker owners might have though.


What you call a bunker, they call a shelter in tornado country.
 
2013-01-29 10:25:50 PM  
Have they fired up the Situation Room yet?
 
2013-01-29 10:26:02 PM  

mediablitz: LadySusan: mediablitz: Some updates here

The comments there make the Politics page look like Plato's classroom.

The answer, clearly, is MORE PRAYER.


My favorite is poor Jessica who misread the article and was called out for blaming the bus driver. Instead of responding with "oops, my bad" or just deleting her post she goes full moran.
 
GBB
2013-01-29 10:26:05 PM  
An unregulated nutball, being necessary to the media for free page hits, the right of these "people" to keep and bear arms shall never be questioned.

FTF everyone.
 
2013-01-29 10:26:05 PM  
The suspect, who has not been identified by law enforcement, is reported to be inside an underground bunker by his home,

The suspect, who has not been identified by law enforcement, is reported to be inside an underground bunker by his home,

The suspect, who has not been identified by law enforcement, is reported to be inside an underground bunker by his home,

/come the fark on, people
 
2013-01-29 10:26:14 PM  

Weaver95: muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.

the theory goes that if maybe crazy people had less access to weaponry with high rates of fire, then maybe less death would be the result.  which, you have to admit, is an argument with some merit.  after all, it takes time to hunt down and chop a school bus full of kids into hamburger meat with an ax.  using a gun?  about 40 seconds sustained fire on full auto.  then pause to reload, and bullet hose the bus again for luck.  shiat, with the right gun you don't even have to get on the bus...you'll shoot right through the damn engine block.


We know you are a Dem lefty. You don't have to keep pretending to be a Libertarian. Matches and fuel have also killed many people at a time(see Happyland for an example). Maybe you can get the government to ban them too. We know you just want free access to drugs.
 
2013-01-29 10:26:57 PM  

muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.


But Muck4doo, a gun is a tool. Like a butcher knife or a harpoon, or uhh... an alligator.
 
2013-01-29 10:27:12 PM  

Duck_of_Doom: Have we, as a society, gone over the bend?


Unfortunately, I think it's starting to look that way. People are farking unhinged man, for one reason or another. Is it a right-wing media machine that is increasingly moving away from objective reality? Is it a culture of violence that seemingly encourages people to solve their problems with a firearm rather than with words? Is it hyperpartisanship, or the fact that every political and economic debate is now a zero-sum game? Is it because we value winning the argument rather than using the argument to find the right answer?

I don't know, but I'm starting to think this country is becoming collectively unglued.
 
2013-01-29 10:27:15 PM  

Fista-Phobia: Have they fired up the Situation Room yet?


We're gonna need graphics and theme music.
 
2013-01-29 10:27:21 PM  
How can we have a reasonable discussion when a Newtown victim's parent has heckled while he was testifying about what happened?
This is the state of discussion in this country. "Sorry your kid's tiny body was riddled with a dozen rounds of fiery death, but Second Amendment!"
 
2013-01-29 10:27:35 PM  

TheUltimateLink: I drove by there on my way home from work wondering what happened. That section of town is Deliverance type area. From everything they were saying on TV, the guy is certifiably nuts. He always called local talk shows going on about the government conspiracies and stuff.

But of course, here come the gun control folks trying to link this to Aurora and Sandy Hook. News flash: HE'S farkING CRAZY. Gun control laws won't protect ordinary citizens from people like this.


He threatened a man and his daughter with a gun last month.
 
2013-01-29 10:28:05 PM  

muck4doo: Weaver95: muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.

the theory goes that if maybe crazy people had less access to weaponry with high rates of fire, then maybe less death would be the result.  which, you have to admit, is an argument with some merit.  after all, it takes time to hunt down and chop a school bus full of kids into hamburger meat with an ax.  using a gun?  about 40 seconds sustained fire on full auto.  then pause to reload, and bullet hose the bus again for luck.  shiat, with the right gun you don't even have to get on the bus...you'll shoot right through the damn engine block.

We know you are a Dem lefty. You don't have to keep pretending to be a Libertarian. Matches and fuel have also killed many people at a time(see Happyland for an example). Maybe you can get the government to ban them too. We know you just want free access to drugs.


Actually, I can recall thinking Weaver95 was right of center back in 2002/2003 when I first started lurking.
I prefer to think that the world has shifted, not him.
 
2013-01-29 10:28:38 PM  

muck4doo: Weaver95: muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.

the theory goes that if maybe crazy people had less access to weaponry with high rates of fire, then maybe less death would be the result.  which, you have to admit, is an argument with some merit.  after all, it takes time to hunt down and chop a school bus full of kids into hamburger meat with an ax.  using a gun?  about 40 seconds sustained fire on full auto.  then pause to reload, and bullet hose the bus again for luck.  shiat, with the right gun you don't even have to get on the bus...you'll shoot right through the damn engine block.

We know you are a Dem lefty. You don't have to keep pretending to be a Libertarian. Matches and fuel have also killed many people at a time(see Happyland for an example). Maybe you can get the government to ban them too. We know you just want free access to drugs.


Sane person: Maybe the insane shouldn't have access to guns.
Insane person: YOU'RE.... HURRRRRRR..... COMIN' FER ME GUNS!

Muck, dude, you have just proven you're insane.
 
2013-01-29 10:28:43 PM  

DoctorCal: Fista-Phobia: Have they fired up the Situation Room yet?

We're gonna need graphics and theme music.


Better have some CGI renditions or else!
 
2013-01-29 10:28:58 PM  
Yep. All the dumbass anti-gun morons jumped right is as expected.
Did any of you give a damn about to 500 plus people murdered in the gun free utopia of Chicago last year?
I didn't think so.
F*cking idiots.
 
2013-01-29 10:29:07 PM  

Igor Jakovsky: muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.

But Muck4doo, a gun is a tool. Like a butcher knife or a harpoon, or uhh... an alligator.


No, it's clearly the guns fault.
 
2013-01-29 10:29:34 PM  

Fista-Phobia: DoctorCal: Fista-Phobia: Have they fired up the Situation Room yet?

We're gonna need graphics and theme music.

Better have some CGI renditions or else!


I miss the Katrina coverage. That little black kid with the G-Unit t-shirt in their go-to still was awesome!
 
2013-01-29 10:30:17 PM  

LadySusan: mediablitz: LadySusan: mediablitz: Some updates here

The comments there make the Politics page look like Plato's classroom.

The answer, clearly, is MORE PRAYER.

My favorite is poor Jessica who misread the article and was called out for blaming the bus driver. Instead of responding with "oops, my bad" or just deleting her post she goes full moran.


I had to go back and look for this. Didn't even realize there were comments.

/Ghostery, my favorite browser extension
 
2013-01-29 10:30:25 PM  

Fista-Phobia: DoctorCal: Fista-Phobia: Have they fired up the Situation Room yet?

We're gonna need graphics and theme music.

Better have some CGI renditions or else!


You would think that they would have the school shootings stuff ready to go at this point, just type in the names.
 
2013-01-29 10:30:32 PM  

Witty_Retort: How can we have a reasonable discussion when a Newtown victim's parent has heckled while he was testifying about what happened?
This is the state of discussion in this country. "Sorry your kid's tiny body was riddled with a dozen rounds of fiery death, but Second Amendment!"


Debate on issues of policy used to serve as a means of comparing opposing ideas, and then integrating the best thoughts from all points of view. Nowadays, winning the debate is all that matters. Our public discourse is no longer a search for truth, it's a game where shouting louder than your opponent gives you a touchdown.
 
2013-01-29 10:30:34 PM  

LadySusan: mediablitz: LadySusan: mediablitz: Some updates here

The comments there make the Politics page look like Plato's classroom.

The answer, clearly, is MORE PRAYER.

My favorite is poor Jessica who misread the article and was called out for blaming the bus driver. Instead of responding with "oops, my bad" or just deleting her post she goes full moran.


And kept at it. She must be a Politics Tab veteran...
 
2013-01-29 10:30:35 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Yep. All the dumbass anti-gun morons jumped right is as expected.
Did any of you give a damn about to 500 plus people murdered in the gun free utopia of Chicago last year?
I didn't think so.
F*cking idiots.


Dag phone it in.
 
2013-01-29 10:30:38 PM  
www.gannett-cdn.com

Here's the Dyke with a gun.
 
2013-01-29 10:31:02 PM  

coeyagi: muck4doo: Weaver95: muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.

the theory goes that if maybe crazy people had less access to weaponry with high rates of fire, then maybe less death would be the result.  which, you have to admit, is an argument with some merit.  after all, it takes time to hunt down and chop a school bus full of kids into hamburger meat with an ax.  using a gun?  about 40 seconds sustained fire on full auto.  then pause to reload, and bullet hose the bus again for luck.  shiat, with the right gun you don't even have to get on the bus...you'll shoot right through the damn engine block.

We know you are a Dem lefty. You don't have to keep pretending to be a Libertarian. Matches and fuel have also killed many people at a time(see Happyland for an example). Maybe you can get the government to ban them too. We know you just want free access to drugs.

Sane person: Maybe the insane shouldn't have access to guns.
Insane person: YOU'RE.... HURRRRRRR..... COMIN' FER ME GUNS!

Muck, dude, you have just proven you're insane.


Where did I say insane people should have guns? Insane people blame the gun and not the person. The insane person i was originally responding to blamed the gun.
 
2013-01-29 10:31:48 PM  

PainfulItching: mediablitz: Phony_Soldier: GAT_00: If only school bus drivers were armed, this would never happen!

Clearly raising taxes on the wealthiest americans would have prevented this.

No, raising taxes on bunker owners might have though.

What you call a bunker, they call a shelter in tornado country.


I'm sorry tornado shelters have to also pay for the crazy gun owners with bunkers.

But hey... REVENUE!!!
 
2013-01-29 10:31:49 PM  
Obama calling Benghazi a "Terrorist Act" rather than an "Act of Terror" would have prevented this.
 
2013-01-29 10:31:52 PM  
www.huggingthecoast.com
 
2013-01-29 10:32:11 PM  

muck4doo: Where did I say insane people should have guns? Insane people blame the gun and not the person. The insane person i was originally responding to blamed the gun.


Where is the pro-gun lobby calling for better mental health screening and gun licensing?

OH WAIT
 
2013-01-29 10:32:12 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Yep. All the dumbass anti-gun morons jumped right is as expected.
Did any of you give a damn about to 500 plus people murdered in the gun free utopia of Chicago last year?
I didn't think so.
F*cking idiots.


We care so little that we want to remove all gun control legislation.
 
2013-01-29 10:32:22 PM  

ph0rk: muck4doo: Weaver95: muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.

the theory goes that if maybe crazy people had less access to weaponry with high rates of fire, then maybe less death would be the result.  which, you have to admit, is an argument with some merit.  after all, it takes time to hunt down and chop a school bus full of kids into hamburger meat with an ax.  using a gun?  about 40 seconds sustained fire on full auto.  then pause to reload, and bullet hose the bus again for luck.  shiat, with the right gun you don't even have to get on the bus...you'll shoot right through the damn engine block.

We know you are a Dem lefty. You don't have to keep pretending to be a Libertarian. Matches and fuel have also killed many people at a time(see Happyland for an example). Maybe you can get the government to ban them too. We know you just want free access to drugs.

Actually, I can recall thinking Weaver95 was right of center back in 2002/2003 when I first started lurking.
I prefer to think that the world has shifted, not him.


Does that mean he isn't calling himself a libertarian anymore?
 
2013-01-29 10:32:26 PM  

muck4doo: No, it's clearly the guns fault.


You're quite convincing that the guns have nothing to do with people getting killed by guns. You should keep this tact; it's very effective.
 
2013-01-29 10:32:30 PM  

Witty_Retort: How can we have a reasonable discussion when a Newtown victim's parent has heckled while he was testifying about what happened?
This is the state of discussion in this country. "Sorry your kid's tiny body was riddled with a dozen rounds of fiery death, but Second Amendment!"


False. Video is cleverly edited, but not real. Patton Oswalt went full Hulkamanic about it on facebook and then said he had been bamboozled.
 
2013-01-29 10:32:38 PM  

muck4doo: coeyagi: muck4doo: Weaver95: muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.

the theory goes that if maybe crazy people had less access to weaponry with high rates of fire, then maybe less death would be the result.  which, you have to admit, is an argument with some merit.  after all, it takes time to hunt down and chop a school bus full of kids into hamburger meat with an ax.  using a gun?  about 40 seconds sustained fire on full auto.  then pause to reload, and bullet hose the bus again for luck.  shiat, with the right gun you don't even have to get on the bus...you'll shoot right through the damn engine block.

We know you are a Dem lefty. You don't have to keep pretending to be a Libertarian. Matches and fuel have also killed many people at a time(see Happyland for an example). Maybe you can get the government to ban them too. We know you just want free access to drugs.

Sane person: Maybe the insane shouldn't have access to guns.
Insane person: YOU'RE.... HURRRRRRR..... COMIN' FER ME GUNS!

Muck, dude, you have just proven you're insane.

Where did I say insane people should have guns? Insane people blame the gun and not the person. The insane person i was originally responding to blamed the gun.


I amend my diagnosis from "insane" to "illiterately insane".

//hint: read it again, for understanding this time.
 
2013-01-29 10:33:23 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: LadySusan: mediablitz: LadySusan: mediablitz: Some updates here

The comments there make the Politics page look like Plato's classroom.

The answer, clearly, is MORE PRAYER.

My favorite is poor Jessica who misread the article and was called out for blaming the bus driver. Instead of responding with "oops, my bad" or just deleting her post she goes full moran.

I had to go back and look for this. Didn't even realize there were comments.

/Ghostery, my favorite browser extension


The comments are often the best part. Always read the comments.
 
2013-01-29 10:33:25 PM  

muck4doo: Igor Jakovsky: muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.

But Muck4doo, a gun is a tool. Like a butcher knife or a harpoon, or uhh... an alligator.

No, it's clearly the guns fault.


Why can't it be both the gun's and the wielder's fault? The wielder for being the one to bring death, the weapon for being an easy, relatively inexpensive method to obtain death?
 
2013-01-29 10:33:31 PM  

muck4doo: Igor Jakovsky: muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.

But Muck4doo, a gun is a tool. Like a butcher knife or a harpoon, or uhh... an alligator.

No, it's clearly the guns fault.


You WANT to look stupid, don't you? There is no other explanation.

I guess this is cheaper than the BDSM club? Humiliation costs a lot, so you go for the freebie?
 
2013-01-29 10:33:35 PM  

muck4doo: Actually, I can recall thinking Weaver95 was right of center back in 2002/2003 when I first started lurking.
I prefer to think that the world has shifted, not him.

Does that mean he isn't calling himself a libertarian anymore?


No, it just means the "far right" has hit lunatic fringe status.
 
2013-01-29 10:33:41 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Yep. All the dumbass anti-gun morons jumped right is as expected.
Did any of you give a damn about to 500 plus people murdered in the gun free utopia of Chicago last year?
I didn't think so.
F*cking idiots.


Unusual crimes make news. News spurs discussion. Who have thunk it? Everyday crimes that by and large affect mostly other criminals do not make news, as terrible as they may be. If you can get a green-light here on a story of a workaday Chicago murder, you'd likely see the same debate you see here.

But please continue with your false equivalence. It's very helpful to the discussion.
 
2013-01-29 10:33:52 PM  

ph0rk: muck4doo: Where did I say insane people should have guns? Insane people blame the gun and not the person. The insane person i was originally responding to blamed the gun.

Where is the pro-gun lobby calling for better mental health screening and gun licensing?

OH WAIT


I'm not an NRA member. Do you belong to the Brady Group?
 
2013-01-29 10:34:02 PM  
The non-repeal of Glass-Steagall would have prevented this.
 
2013-01-29 10:34:25 PM  
Rest assured. The hostage taker has told police that he isn't going to harm the hostage.
 
2013-01-29 10:34:46 PM  

Duck_of_Doom: muck4doo: Igor Jakovsky: muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.

But Muck4doo, a gun is a tool. Like a butcher knife or a harpoon, or uhh... an alligator.

No, it's clearly the guns fault.

Why can't it be both the gun's and the wielder's fault? The wielder for being the one to bring death, the weapon for being an easy, relatively inexpensive method to obtain death?


Oppenheimer should have blamed the Enola Gay's Bombadier and not himself.
 
2013-01-29 10:35:07 PM  
If Guy Ritchie had used a dental dam on Madonna, it would have prevented this.
 
2013-01-29 10:35:16 PM  
This thread is trending hard toward the single issue posters. Everybody else needs to step it up.
 
2013-01-29 10:35:46 PM  

coeyagi: muck4doo: coeyagi: muck4doo: Weaver95: muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.

the theory goes that if maybe crazy people had less access to weaponry with high rates of fire, then maybe less death would be the result.  which, you have to admit, is an argument with some merit.  after all, it takes time to hunt down and chop a school bus full of kids into hamburger meat with an ax.  using a gun?  about 40 seconds sustained fire on full auto.  then pause to reload, and bullet hose the bus again for luck.  shiat, with the right gun you don't even have to get on the bus...you'll shoot right through the damn engine block.

We know you are a Dem lefty. You don't have to keep pretending to be a Libertarian. Matches and fuel have also killed many people at a time(see Happyland for an example). Maybe you can get the government to ban them too. We know you just want free access to drugs.

Sane person: Maybe the insane shouldn't have access to guns.
Insane person: YOU'RE.... HURRRRRRR..... COMIN' FER ME GUNS!

Muck, dude, you have just proven you're insane.

Where did I say insane people should have guns? Insane people blame the gun and not the person. The insane person i was originally responding to blamed the gun.

I amend my diagnosis from "insane" to "illiterately insane".

//hint: read it again, for understanding this time.


I did. Where did I say insane people should have guns? I said the gun shouldn't be the focus of the blame.
 
2013-01-29 10:36:00 PM  
If Lebron had decided to stay with the Cavs, he could have prevented this.
 
2013-01-29 10:36:00 PM  

DoctorCal: This thread is trending hard toward the single issue posters. Everybody else needs to step it up.


I am not nor have I ever been a single issue poster. Sometimes not even in the same thread.
 
2013-01-29 10:36:02 PM  

muck4doo: Where did I say insane people should have guns? Insane people blame the gun and not the person. The insane person i was originally responding to blamed the gun.


Because blaming an imaginary ax is totally sane.
 
2013-01-29 10:36:46 PM  

coeyagi: If Guy Ritchie had used a dental dam on Madonna, it would have prevented this.


ha what?? dental dam? Whatever happened to the internet dentist?
 
2013-01-29 10:37:38 PM  

Duck_of_Doom: Why can't it be both the gun's and the wielder's fault?


One is an inanimate object. Does that help?
 
2013-01-29 10:37:42 PM  
Geez. Reading this thread, I didn't know Derp had VTEC. Apparently, it kicked in.
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-29 10:37:43 PM  

muck4doo: Where did I say insane people should have guns? Insane people blame the gun and not the person. The insane person i was originally responding to blamed the gun.


You can't do it, can you? You just CAN'T admit the ill person HAD to have the GUN to do this. It takes BOTH.

So you would rather play willfully ignorant and repeat "blame the gun!!" over and over, rather than admit the truth: He doesn't do this without access to the gun. They go hand in hand. The shooting in Chicago don't happen without the easy access to guns. They go hand in hand.

Quit being such a farking baby. Quit feigning willful ignorance.

Unless you really are that vacuous. You really are that scared to admit the truth. I think you really are.

Back to your childish ignorance, tool
 
2013-01-29 10:37:54 PM  

muck4doo: coeyagi: muck4doo: coeyagi: muck4doo: Weaver95: muck4doo: mediablitz: muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: Yay guns!

Would it make you happier if he hacked him with an ax instead?

Hmmm. Wonder why he didn't? Maybe because a GUN was handy?

Yes, guns are much easier to get than an ax. Amiright? The guy is crazy. Glad to see you blaming the tool instead.

the theory goes that if maybe crazy people had less access to weaponry with high rates of fire, then maybe less death would be the result.  which, you have to admit, is an argument with some merit.  after all, it takes time to hunt down and chop a school bus full of kids into hamburger meat with an ax.  using a gun?  about 40 seconds sustained fire on full auto.  then pause to reload, and bullet hose the bus again for luck.  shiat, with the right gun you don't even have to get on the bus...you'll shoot right through the damn engine block.

We know you are a Dem lefty. You don't have to keep pretending to be a Libertarian. Matches and fuel have also killed many people at a time(see Happyland for an example). Maybe you can get the government to ban them too. We know you just want free access to drugs.

Sane person: Maybe the insane shouldn't have access to guns.
Insane person: YOU'RE.... HURRRRRRR..... COMIN' FER ME GUNS!

Muck, dude, you have just proven you're insane.

Where did I say insane people should have guns? Insane people blame the gun and not the person. The insane person i was originally responding to blamed the gun.

I amend my diagnosis from "insane" to "illiterately insane".

//hint: read it again, for understanding this time.

I did. Where did I say insane people should have guns? I said the gun shouldn't be the focus of the blame.


I never said you said insane people should have guns. Let me try this again, in REALLY SIMPLE LANGUAGE.

1) Person A, Weaver, says insane people should not have guns.
2) Person B, You, says that libs like him are coming for guns.
3) Person A, by extension, are basically saying you're insane because Person A is coming for your guns because he advocates that insane people shouldn't have guns.

Clear now?
 
2013-01-29 10:38:07 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Yep. All the dumbass anti-gun morons jumped right is as expected.
Did any of you give a damn about to 500 plus people murdered in the gun free utopia of Chicago last year?
I didn't think so.
F*cking idiots.


You make a good point; to save more lives, instead of banning "assault weapons" we should ban handguns; far more people are killed with handguns.

/ducks
 
2013-01-29 10:38:17 PM  
What an imaginary axe might look like:

www.2camels.com

Fista-Phobia: coeyagi: If Guy Ritchie had used a dental dam on Madonna, it would have prevented this.

ha what?? dental dam? Whatever happened to the internet dentist?


I think he's an internet golfer now.
 
2013-01-29 10:38:26 PM  
"Alabama school bus driver shot pushed out of window, six-year-old child taken hostage"

There, I fixed it so the gun ban crowd can feel better about the headline.
 
2013-01-29 10:38:41 PM  

DoctorCal: This thread is trending hard toward the single issue posters. Everybody else needs to step it up.


Okay. Boiled peanuts are awesome. You just have to eat them right away. Otherwise you have soggy lukewarm mush.
 
2013-01-29 10:38:53 PM  

Demetrius: All bus drivers should be armed.


I wouldn't mind it.

We are completely vulnerable in a vehicle with children and no way to lock out nutcases who want to get in (Since that would understandably defeat the purpose of having emergency exits for the kids.) We're also notoriously predictable since we drive the same route day after day at the same time.

It's a ridiculously easy target for anyone with half a brain.

/why yes I check behind me for drugged out psychos when I stop at railroad crossings and have to open my doors (which is in that "part" of town).
 
2013-01-29 10:38:57 PM  

Wyalt Derp: muck4doo: Where did I say insane people should have guns? Insane people blame the gun and not the person. The insane person i was originally responding to blamed the gun.

Because blaming an imaginary ax is totally sane.


You dropped out of reading classes in 6th grade, didn't you?
 
2013-01-29 10:39:43 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: FTFA: James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing.

And yet he still had a gun

/why?

Probably because he's only been charged, not convicted.


Yeah, I get the 'innocent until proven guilty' thing, but would it be too much to ask, in circumstances like this at least, to have like a 90 day impound of all firearms until you have your court date?

/at that point, a judge could decide if they should be returned or held pending further action?
 
2013-01-29 10:39:55 PM  
Nate Silver could have prevented predicted this.
 
2013-01-29 10:39:58 PM  
Godscrack:
i.imgur.com 
Here's the Dyke with a gun.

No Dutchman would put his finger in that.
 
2013-01-29 10:39:59 PM  

Witty_Retort: How can we have a reasonable discussion when a Newtown victim's parent has heckled while he was testifying about what happened?



Wow, FFS we're screwed.
 
2013-01-29 10:40:01 PM  

MichiganFTL: Oh hey look, let's post snarky comments about being trendily anti-gun! Not like actually worry about someone's child who's in a horrible situation or someone's father/son/brother who's heading to ICU...

Crap, I'm on fark, what am I thinkin'? How big was the gun's clip? Did it have assault bullets? If only our busses had bulletproof windows and panic rooms.


Don't forget, only conservatives use fear to push their agenda. IF WE DON'T BAN ALL GUNS, YOU WILL ALL BE SHOT BY A PSYCHO WITH A GUN!
 
2013-01-29 10:40:21 PM  

cuzsis: Demetrius: All bus drivers should be armed.

I wouldn't mind it.

We are completely vulnerable in a vehicle with children and no way to lock out nutcases who want to get in (Since that would understandably defeat the purpose of having emergency exits for the kids.) We're also notoriously predictable since we drive the same route day after day at the same time.

It's a ridiculously easy target for anyone with half a brain.

/why yes I check behind me for drugged out psychos when I stop at railroad crossings and have to open my doors (which is in that "part" of town).


Lol. Yeah. Let's arm drivers with a busload of children.
 
2013-01-29 10:40:40 PM  

PanicMan: DoctorCal: This thread is trending hard toward the single issue posters. Everybody else needs to step it up.

Okay. Boiled peanuts are awesome. You just have to eat them right away. Otherwise you have soggy lukewarm mush.


I'm eating as fast as I can.

/and two more Just Guns have arrived
 
2013-01-29 10:41:02 PM  

Duck_of_Doom: Why can't it be both the gun's and the wielder's fault?


Bring charges against the gun and appoint a public defender and take it to trial.
If you can convince a jury of the gun's peers that it was a willing accomplice acting of it's own volition, you'll win a conviction and you can send the gun to prison.

Now if the gun was forced to go along with this against it's will, you should probably charge the wielder with gunnapping as well.
 
2013-01-29 10:41:07 PM  
Gun deaths are horrible. When someone has good data that show a solution I'll be willing to listen. In the meantime I'd rather worry about lack of adequate health care where the real horrible and unnecessary causes of death occur.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm

Gun deaths aren't even much of a statistic here.
 
2013-01-29 10:41:07 PM  

machoprogrammer: MichiganFTL: Oh hey look, let's post snarky comments about being trendily anti-gun! Not like actually worry about someone's child who's in a horrible situation or someone's father/son/brother who's heading to ICU...

Crap, I'm on fark, what am I thinkin'? How big was the gun's clip? Did it have assault bullets? If only our busses had bulletproof windows and panic rooms.

Don't forget, only conservatives use fear to push their agenda. IF WE DON'T BAN ALL GUNS, YOU WILL ALL BE SHOT BY A PSYCHO WITH A GUN!


Forced sterilizations in red states could have prevented this (debate).
 
2013-01-29 10:41:09 PM  
If only I had prayed harder for Omarian, this wouldn't have happened . . .
 
2013-01-29 10:41:31 PM  

DoctorCal: What an imaginary axe might look like:

[www.2camels.com image 400x267]

Fista-Phobia: coeyagi: If Guy Ritchie had used a dental dam on Madonna, it would have prevented this.

ha what?? dental dam? Whatever happened to the internet dentist?

I think he's an internet golfer now.


Damn. Geoff Tate has really let himself go.
 
2013-01-29 10:42:06 PM  

coeyagi: machoprogrammer: MichiganFTL: Oh hey look, let's post snarky comments about being trendily anti-gun! Not like actually worry about someone's child who's in a horrible situation or someone's father/son/brother who's heading to ICU...

Crap, I'm on fark, what am I thinkin'? How big was the gun's clip? Did it have assault bullets? If only our busses had bulletproof windows and panic rooms.

Don't forget, only conservatives use fear to push their agenda. IF WE DON'T BAN ALL GUNS, YOU WILL ALL BE SHOT BY A PSYCHO WITH A GUN!

Forced sterilizations in red states could have prevented this (debate).


Why would they need forced sterilizations with all that abstinence only sex-education they get there?
 
2013-01-29 10:42:32 PM  
River Dancing by undocumented Mexicans on their cigarette break could have prevented this.
 
2013-01-29 10:42:51 PM  

DoctorCal: [www.huggingthecoast.com image 388x350]


*drool*
 
2013-01-29 10:42:52 PM  

LadySusan: Gun deaths are horrible. When someone has good data that show a solution I'll be willing to listen. In the meantime I'd rather worry about lack of adequate health care where the real horrible and unnecessary causes of death occur.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm

Gun deaths aren't even much of a statistic here.


Ah. So what's your acceptable threshold of gun deaths? At what point is it too much?
 
2013-01-29 10:42:59 PM  

I Have Assumed Control: Boobies


pervert. the child is 6 years old
 
2013-01-29 10:43:05 PM  

way south: "Alabama school bus driver shot pushed out of window, six-year-old child taken hostage"

There, I fixed it so the gun ban crowd can feel better about the headline.


That afraid to address America's violent gun culture, are ya? Even DISCUSSING it means "ban guns".

How very enlightened of you!
 
2013-01-29 10:43:11 PM  

muck4doo: You dropped out of reading classes in 6th grade, didn't you?


Why don't you ax my teacher?
 
2013-01-29 10:43:24 PM  

coeyagi: River Dancing by undocumented Mexicans on their cigarette break could have prevented this.


I can do half of those dances.

The top half.
 
2013-01-29 10:43:24 PM  

phrawgh: DoctorCal: What an imaginary axe might look like:

[www.2camels.com image 400x267]

Fista-Phobia: coeyagi: If Guy Ritchie had used a dental dam on Madonna, it would have prevented this.

ha what?? dental dam? Whatever happened to the internet dentist?

I think he's an internet golfer now.

Damn. Geoff Tate has really let himself go.


Nothin' but, grit dogs, high-tops and DREAM THEATER.
 
2013-01-29 10:43:59 PM  
Let's all PRAY! That'll make us feel better about doing absolutely nothing.
 
2013-01-29 10:44:43 PM  

Gwendolyn: Let's all PRAY! That'll make us feel better about doing absolutely nothing.


Jesus saves, no need to pray
The gates of pearl have turned to gold
 
2013-01-29 10:44:59 PM  
I heard that 9 shotguns, 9 IEDs, and 9 extra large cheese pizzas could have prevented this. -Herman Cain.
 
2013-01-29 10:45:02 PM  

coeyagi: 1) Person A, Weaver, says insane people should not have guns.
2) Person B, You, says that libs like him are coming for guns.
3) Person A, by extension, are basically saying you're insane because Person A is coming for your guns because he advocates that insane people shouldn't have guns.

Clear now?


I see what you are saying now. I agree with him insane people shouldn't have guns, and I did focus too much on his second point about the weapons rather than his first point about insane people. Your 3rd point still doesn't make sense.
 
2013-01-29 10:45:06 PM  

Wyalt Derp: muck4doo: You dropped out of reading classes in 6th grade, didn't you?

Why don't you ax my teacher?


i287.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-29 10:45:23 PM  

PanicMan: Okay. Boiled peanuts are awesome. You just have to eat them right away. Otherwise you have soggy lukewarm mush.


You can nuke some life into them for a second round. But, pretty much, yeah.
 
2013-01-29 10:45:55 PM  

DoctorCal: PanicMan: DoctorCal: This thread is trending hard toward the single issue posters. Everybody else needs to step it up.

Okay. Boiled peanuts are awesome. You just have to eat them right away. Otherwise you have soggy lukewarm mush.

I'm eating as fast as I can.

/and two more Just Guns have arrived


Are you familiar with the Boll Weevil Monument, and the Alabama Peanut Festival?
 
2013-01-29 10:45:57 PM  

muck4doo: coeyagi: 1) Person A, Weaver, says insane people should not have guns.
2) Person B, You, says that libs like him are coming for guns.
3) Person A, by extension, are basically saying you're insane because Person A is coming for your guns because he advocates that insane people shouldn't have guns.

Clear now?

I see what you are saying now. I agree with him insane people shouldn't have guns, and I did focus too much on his second point about the weapons rather than his first point about insane people. Your 3rd point still doesn't make sense.


That's too bad, since it is the mental leap you made.
 
2013-01-29 10:46:04 PM  
News coverage in that in that neck of the woods is dismal at best.


MIDLAND CITY, Alabama -- The man who the

The newspaper is reporting that Jimmy Lee Dykes, 65, is holed up in a bunker behind his residence on located near Destiny Church off U.S. 231.
 
2013-01-29 10:46:31 PM  
White people be crazy.
 
2013-01-29 10:46:48 PM  

Wyalt Derp: muck4doo: You dropped out of reading classes in 6th grade, didn't you?

Why don't you ax my teacher?


It can spell ax just like I did or with an "E" at the end. Funny, I know.
 
2013-01-29 10:46:58 PM  

muck4doo: Duck_of_Doom: Why can't it be both the gun's and the wielder's fault?

One is an inanimate object. Does that help?


Would this have happened the same way if the person wielded a sword, or a handful of bullets, or a cricket bat, or a microwave oven, or a pinch of mercury? If "yes the results would be the same", then the inanimate object is not the problem. If no, then there is some factor making these crimes quite deadly. What could it be?
 
2013-01-29 10:47:00 PM  

muck4doo: coeyagi: 1) Person A, Weaver, says insane people should not have guns.
2) Person B, You, says that libs like him are coming for guns.
3) Person A, by extension, are basically saying you're insane because Person A is coming for your guns because he advocates that insane people shouldn't have guns.

Clear now?

I see what you are saying now. I agree with him insane people shouldn't have guns, and I did focus too much on his second point about the weapons rather than his first point about insane people. Your 3rd point still doesn't make sense.


Doesn't make sense..... to you.

Third time's the charm maybe?

Ok, if Weaver says insane people shouldn't have guns, and then you think he's coming for your guns, you're basically admitting that you're insane. Because he isn't saying he's coming for all guns, just the guns of insane people.

Please God, if you exist, please make him understand this time.
 
2013-01-29 10:47:02 PM  

PanicMan: DoctorCal: PanicMan: DoctorCal: This thread is trending hard toward the single issue posters. Everybody else needs to step it up.

Okay. Boiled peanuts are awesome. You just have to eat them right away. Otherwise you have soggy lukewarm mush.

I'm eating as fast as I can.

/and two more Just Guns have arrived

Are you familiar with the Boll Weevil Monument, and the Alabama Peanut Festival?


I am not. How much weight could a guy like me pack on during such an event?
 
2013-01-29 10:47:12 PM  
White people, why you be so cray-cray?
 
2013-01-29 10:47:22 PM  

b0rg9: PanicMan: Okay. Boiled peanuts are awesome. You just have to eat them right away. Otherwise you have soggy lukewarm mush.

You can nuke some life into them for a second round. But, pretty much, yeah.


Cut it out, guys. I haven't had dinner, and now I'm jonesin'. Can't we talk about something else?
 
2013-01-29 10:47:39 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Yeah, I get the 'innocent until proven guilty' thing, but would it be too much to ask, in circumstances like this at least, to have like a 90 day impound of all firearms until you have your court date?


Granted that sounds like a reasonable idea, but would it have been legal?
 
2013-01-29 10:47:40 PM  
A school bus newsflash at like 9:30 pm? Yeah, fark!
 
2013-01-29 10:48:10 PM  

Person: White people, why you be so cray-cray?


Dwindling majority, obviously.
 
2013-01-29 10:48:26 PM  

machoprogrammer: Don't forget, only conservatives use fear to push their agenda. IF WE DON'T BAN ALL GUNS, YOU WILL ALL BE SHOT BY A PSYCHO WITH A GUN!


TEN ROUND MAGAZINES ARE TYRANNY!!!

/TYRANNY!
 
2013-01-29 10:48:50 PM  
If hummers were offered more freely by members of the fairer gender, this could have been prevented.
 
2013-01-29 10:49:24 PM  
Why is it when a nut commits a crime, the first thing we wanna discuss is the tools he used rather then the fact he is a raving farking nut that built a bunker and kidnapped a kid?

This is a NUT problem, not a gun problem.
 
2013-01-29 10:49:28 PM  

Gaseous Anomaly: jehovahs witness protection: Yep. All the dumbass anti-gun morons jumped right is as expected.
Did any of you give a damn about to 500 plus people murdered in the gun free utopia of Chicago last year?
I didn't think so.
F*cking idiots.

You make a good point; to save more lives, instead of banning "assault weapons" we should ban handguns; far more people are killed with handguns.

/ducks


No reason to duck. That's the truth. But the left wing derp brigade follows everything they see/hear on MSNBC.
Again...F*CKING MORONS.
 
2013-01-29 10:49:43 PM  

muck4doo: Wyalt Derp: muck4doo: You dropped out of reading classes in 6th grade, didn't you?

Why don't you ax my teacher?

ItYou can spell ax just like I did or with an "E" at the end. Funny, I know.


/FTFM. Argggh!

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ax
 
2013-01-29 10:49:55 PM  

Kygz: A school bus newsflash at like 9:30 pm? Yeah, fark!


Um, one of the biggest news stories of the day yesterday, the potential revocation of the gay ban in Scouting, didn't even hit Fark's radar on any tab as far as I could tell.

Don't blame the platform, blame the users.
 
2013-01-29 10:50:22 PM  

atomicmask: Why is it when a nut commits a crime, the first thing we wanna discuss is the tools he used rather then the fact he is a raving farking nut that built a bunker and kidnapped a kid?

This is a NUT problem, not a gun problem.


Because many of us would like to live in an America where the nuts don't all have guns.
 
2013-01-29 10:51:17 PM  

coeyagi: Kygz: A school bus newsflash at like 9:30 pm? Yeah, fark!

Um, one of the biggest news stories of the day yesterday, the potential revocation of the gay ban in Scouting, didn't even hit Fark's radar on any tab as far as I could tell.

Don't blame the platform, blame the users.


Was on the main tab, disguised as a thread about handkerchiefs and short pants.
 
2013-01-29 10:51:33 PM  

atomicmask: Why is it when a nut commits a crime, the first thing we wanna discuss is the tools he used rather then the fact he is a raving farking nut that built a bunker and kidnapped a kid?


Physics?
 
2013-01-29 10:52:23 PM  

DoctorCal: PanicMan: DoctorCal: PanicMan: DoctorCal: This thread is trending hard toward the single issue posters. Everybody else needs to step it up.

Okay. Boiled peanuts are awesome. You just have to eat them right away. Otherwise you have soggy lukewarm mush.

I'm eating as fast as I can.

/and two more Just Guns have arrived

Are you familiar with the Boll Weevil Monument, and the Alabama Peanut Festival?

I am not. How much weight could a guy like me pack on during such an event?


People save up all year for the Peanut Festival. Every hotel is booked solid. It's a big deal.

In Enterprise (a few miles away) there is a monument to the Boll Weevil. Back in the day, it ate all the cotton, and the farmers had to find a new cash crop. They made so much more money on peanuts, they erected a white marble statue of a lady holding a giant black bug in the center of town, in a fountain.

craigandrachelle.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-29 10:52:24 PM  

ph0rk: coeyagi: Kygz: A school bus newsflash at like 9:30 pm? Yeah, fark!

Um, one of the biggest news stories of the day yesterday, the potential revocation of the gay ban in Scouting, didn't even hit Fark's radar on any tab as far as I could tell.

Don't blame the platform, blame the users.

Was on the main tab, disguised as a thread about handkerchiefs and short pants.


God damnit.
 
2013-01-29 10:52:42 PM  

mediablitz: way south: "Alabama school bus driver shot pushed out of window, six-year-old child taken hostage"

There, I fixed it so the gun ban crowd can feel better about the headline.

That afraid to address America's violent gun culture, are ya? Even DISCUSSING it means "ban guns".

How very enlightened of you!


We should be discussing an ongoing standoff, for starters. The gun culture is not what is causing violence in America.
Secondly, you missed the reference.

/Thats ok, FARK is a younger crowd and it was vague.
 
2013-01-29 10:52:56 PM  

Bontesla: LadySusan: Gun deaths are horrible. When someone has good data that show a solution I'll be willing to listen. In the meantime I'd rather worry about lack of adequate health care where the real horrible and unnecessary causes of death occur.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm

Gun deaths aren't even much of a statistic here.

Ah. So what's your acceptable threshold of gun deaths? At what point is it too much?


I'm a libbie lib liberal. I think they are all horrible. The problem is, the data just doesn't show how to prevent them. In the meantime, while folks are trying some things out to maybe get good data and a good solution, I'd rather focus on bigger causes of horrible death.

My hypothesis is that it's primarily bad culture mixed with some mental illness. Apparently Canada has more guns than cats and they have very few gun deaths (citation needed). If I were queen I would be focusing on some social changes to improve the culture so folks were less likely to decide that killing was a good idea. I'd also be funding the shiat out of brain research for better approaches to curing mental illness. Also world peace. I'd work on that too. And unicorns with sparkly rainbow farts. And an end to sentence fragments.
 
2013-01-29 10:52:57 PM  
Came in here for the Dirty Harry references, leaving satisfied

/seriously though, this shiat is happening way too often
//but we can't dare to piss off our NRA overlords and speak of gun control measures, can we?
 
2013-01-29 10:53:15 PM  

ph0rk: atomicmask: Why is it when a nut commits a crime, the first thing we wanna discuss is the tools he used rather then the fact he is a raving farking nut that built a bunker and kidnapped a kid?

This is a NUT problem, not a gun problem.

Because many of us would like to live in an America where the nuts don't all have guns.


I would like to live in an america where the nuts are not free to have guns, knives, rope, or underground child holding bunkers.

Maybe we should ban the nuts instead of the guns?
 
2013-01-29 10:53:31 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Yeah, I get the 'innocent until proven guilty' thing, but would it be too much to ask, in circumstances like this at least, to have like a 90 day impound of all firearms until you have your court date?

Granted that sounds like a reasonable idea, but would it have been legal?


It should be, I think. I mean, the police found cause to arrest the guy, and he has a history of questionable behavior. I think that constitutes a viable threat to the public, under the circumstances.

/I'd be fine with having the evidence being presented to a judge and the impound order requiring judicial approval, but please... don't hesitate
 
2013-01-29 10:53:33 PM  

TheUltimateLink: Gun control laws won't protect ordinary citizens from people like this.


So you're saying that more robust screening processes for the purchase of firearms couldn't have stopped this certifiable nutcase from getting a gun and shooting someone? Somehow... I disagree with your assessment.
 
2013-01-29 10:53:33 PM  
"It's the craziest thing. He will be outside in his yard digging dirt at 2:30 in the morning," Davis, Jr. told the Eagle.

golly gee i wish there were some mental health assistance this guy could have gone to.
 
2013-01-29 10:53:34 PM  

coeyagi: muck4doo: coeyagi: 1) Person A, Weaver, says insane people should not have guns.
2) Person B, You, says that libs like him are coming for guns.
3) Person A, by extension, are basically saying you're insane because Person A is coming for your guns because he advocates that insane people shouldn't have guns.

Clear now?

I see what you are saying now. I agree with him insane people shouldn't have guns, and I did focus too much on his second point about the weapons rather than his first point about insane people. Your 3rd point still doesn't make sense.

Doesn't make sense..... to you.

Third time's the charm maybe?

Ok, if Weaver says insane people shouldn't have guns, and then you think he's coming for your guns, you're basically admitting that you're insane. Because he isn't saying he's coming for all guns, just the guns of insane people.

Please God, if you exist, please make him understand this time.


I didn't say he's coming for my guns. He said the argument had merit, because guns can kill a lot of people. I said matches and fuel can kill a lot of people too. I didn't say anything about Weaver taking my guns. Now you are making the stretch. Try not to hurt yourself.
 
2013-01-29 10:53:48 PM  

GAT_00: If only school bus drivers were armed, this would never happen!


Wow, super witty. Please post in every farking thread until the end of time.
 
2013-01-29 10:54:02 PM  

ph0rk: Person: White people, why you be so cray-cray?

Dwindling majority, obviously.


cdn2-b.examiner.com

Butterbean feels our pain.
 
2013-01-29 10:54:22 PM  
Bontesla
Ah. So what's your acceptable threshold of gun deaths? At what point is it too much?

Acceptable threshold of gun deaths is 1 for every predatory home invader, and 0.5 of every robber or miscreant home invader.

Also should provide limits for people killed by the authorized gun and badge crowd. Allowing them 0.001 of every drug user on uppers causing social disturbance, and 0.0 of every drug user on downers.
 
2013-01-29 10:54:55 PM  

BravadoGT: it's a really big-ass country with a lot of people in it.  shiat's gonna happen.  But Midland CIty, AL, Aurora, CO, Sandy Hook, CT?--they might was well be different countries.  And if this were Europe--they would be.  So it's not like there's some crisis happening in your backyard.  Well, unless you live in Chicago.  Then it might be.

Sorry about that.


you are a rare snippet of common sense. a slim commodity around these parts. amazing how few people ever put together the analogy of size / countries, because it's true.
 
2013-01-29 10:54:57 PM  

atomicmask: ph0rk: atomicmask: Why is it when a nut commits a crime, the first thing we wanna discuss is the tools he used rather then the fact he is a raving farking nut that built a bunker and kidnapped a kid?

This is a NUT problem, not a gun problem.

Because many of us would like to live in an America where the nuts don't all have guns.

I would like to live in an america where the nuts are not free to have guns, knives, rope, or underground child holding bunkers.

Maybe we should ban the nuts instead of the guns?


Absolutely. I'm all for mandatory mental health screenings - are you?
 
2013-01-29 10:55:17 PM  

PanicMan: DoctorCal: PanicMan: DoctorCal: PanicMan: DoctorCal: This thread is trending hard toward the single issue posters. Everybody else needs to step it up.

Okay. Boiled peanuts are awesome. You just have to eat them right away. Otherwise you have soggy lukewarm mush.

I'm eating as fast as I can.

/and two more Just Guns have arrived

Are you familiar with the Boll Weevil Monument, and the Alabama Peanut Festival?

I am not. How much weight could a guy like me pack on during such an event?

People save up all year for the Peanut Festival. Every hotel is booked solid. It's a big deal.

In Enterprise (a few miles away) there is a monument to the Boll Weevil. Back in the day, it ate all the cotton, and the farmers had to find a new cash crop. They made so much more money on peanuts, they erected a white marble statue of a lady holding a giant black bug in the center of town, in a fountain.

[craigandrachelle.files.wordpress.com image 406x600]


I've driven by that fountain.
 
2013-01-29 10:55:21 PM  
Wait.

How were the kids dressed? Where they asking for it?
 
2013-01-29 10:55:27 PM  
Anna Nicole Smith's anus being remarkable could have prevented this.
 
2013-01-29 10:55:38 PM  

ph0rk: Absolutely. I'm all for mandatory mental health screenings - are you?


The problem is it conflicts with privacy, of course.

/Enter too soon.
 
2013-01-29 10:55:44 PM  

PainfulItching: Witty_Retort: How can we have a reasonable discussion when a Newtown victim's parent has heckled while he was testifying about what happened?
This is the state of discussion in this country. "Sorry your kid's tiny body was riddled with a dozen rounds of fiery death, but Second Amendment!"

False. Video is cleverly edited, but not real. Patton Oswalt went full Hulkamanic about it on facebook and then said he had been bamboozled.


I'm afraid you'll have to pull your head out of the lap of the NRA
 
2013-01-29 10:56:11 PM  

muck4doo: coeyagi: muck4doo: coeyagi: 1) Person A, Weaver, says insane people should not have guns.
2) Person B, You, says that libs like him are coming for guns.
3) Person A, by extension, are basically saying you're insane because Person A is coming for your guns because he advocates that insane people shouldn't have guns.

Clear now?

I see what you are saying now. I agree with him insane people shouldn't have guns, and I did focus too much on his second point about the weapons rather than his first point about insane people. Your 3rd point still doesn't make sense.

Doesn't make sense..... to you.

Third time's the charm maybe?

Ok, if Weaver says insane people shouldn't have guns, and then you think he's coming for your guns, you're basically admitting that you're insane. Because he isn't saying he's coming for all guns, just the guns of insane people.

Please God, if you exist, please make him understand this time.

I didn't say he's coming for my guns. He said the argument had merit, because guns can kill a lot of people. I said matches and fuel can kill a lot of people too. I didn't say anything about Weaver taking my guns. Now you are making the stretch. Try not to hurt yourself.


Your exact quote:

We know you are a Dem lefty. You don't have to keep pretending to be a Libertarian. Matches and fuel have also killed many people at a time(see Happyland for an example). Maybe you can get the government to ban them too. We know you just want free access to drugs.

You said nothing about insane people in this response.

Add "liar" to "illiterate" and "insane".
 
2013-01-29 10:56:15 PM  
Here's some video from earlier this evening.
 
2013-01-29 10:56:33 PM  

Premeditated_Road_Rage: Anna Nicole Smith's anus being remarkable could have prevented this.


I always that it was funny that he remarked on it.
 
2013-01-29 10:57:31 PM  
Movie 43 not being the "Citizen Kane of shiatty Movies" could have prevented this.
 
2013-01-29 10:58:03 PM  
NOW can we finally arm students?
 
2013-01-29 10:58:59 PM  
.........Latest news........ .

Religious Retards praying for .....something.

/WTF wrong with people??? Praying solves NOTHING.
 
2013-01-29 10:59:05 PM  

BuckTurgidson: NOW can we finally arm students?


fark it. Lets graft on a shoulder-mounted gatling gun at birth, by God.
 
2013-01-29 10:59:18 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: LazerFish: People who turn tragic events into ways to forward their own agenda suck.

Especially when that agenda is to avoid tragic events!


Yes, anyone who doesn't wish to do things the way you want to do them isn't truly interested in the safety and well-being of their community. If someone's thought process doesn't follow the way yours does, they are clearly deranged or just, unfortunately and through no fault of their own, too stupid to understand the situation.

But that's okay, you're a kind and benevolent intellectual who will surely instruct the poor uneducated masses on the true nature of the situation. There is no need to entertain *their* ideas, as they are just too vulgar for anyone who considers themselves "civilized". But that's okay, in time, with training, they will come to see this and realize that your way is the only true path to enlightenment and peace.
 
2013-01-29 10:59:23 PM  

atomicmask: Why is it when a nut commits a crime, the first thing we wanna discuss is the tools he used rather then the fact he is a raving farking nut that built a bunker and kidnapped a kid?


Because you want to make sure nuts have easy access to the most effective tools of killing people stupid people have for killing people. What you retarded americans don't really understand is that if there are no guns to buy without a long wait, either the moment passes, or most 'criminals' of this ilk are actually pretty normal people who are not in gangs and wouldn't know how to buy on a blackmarket unless you could just buy a gun off of craigslist. I'd be surprised that this is complicated for folks, except that even sane, well adjusted people talk shiat about what they could do all the time, and yet can't seem to muster up the energy or organization for it. If it's easier to get or buy a gun, it's easier to get or buy a gun.
 
2013-01-29 10:59:27 PM  

BuckTurgidson: NOW can we finally arm students?


How about automated gun turrets that just fire to the sound of gunfire?
 
2013-01-29 10:59:29 PM  

BravadoGT: Chicago.


DRINK!!
 
2013-01-29 10:59:51 PM  
Sorry, no smart assed comment here. This f*cking thread makes me sick. People dead/held hostage and peanut jokes or gun nut derp is passing as "intelligent" discussion. You. F*cking. People. Are. Pathetic. Grow up.
 
2013-01-29 10:59:54 PM  

sheep snorter: .........Latest news........ .

Religious Retards praying for .....something.

/WTF wrong with people??? Praying solves NOTHING.


Exactly. Let's do something constructive, like posting on Forums!
 
2013-01-29 11:00:07 PM  
sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-01-29 11:00:07 PM  
There will always be loonies and criminals. Just don't give them easy access to tools they can use to do harm.

A few statistically aberrant acts by terrorists means trillions of dollars spent on airport screenings and massive restrictions on what you can take on a plane. But regular shootings of children gets a shrug and "So what can we do about it?"

Strange priorities.
 
2013-01-29 11:00:21 PM  

BuckTurgidson: NOW can we finally arm students?


Why do you want to harm the students? That might be what the crazy old coot is doing right now!

stkarnick.com
 
2013-01-29 11:01:13 PM  

cuzsis: Lenny_da_Hog: LazerFish: People who turn tragic events into ways to forward their own agenda suck.

Especially when that agenda is to avoid tragic events!

Yes, anyone who doesn't wish to do things the way you want to do them isn't truly interested in the safety and well-being of their community. If someone's thought process doesn't follow the way yours does, they are clearly deranged or just, unfortunately and through no fault of their own, too stupid to understand the situation.

But that's okay, you're a kind and benevolent intellectual who will surely instruct the poor uneducated masses on the true nature of the situation. There is no need to entertain *their* ideas, as they are just too vulgar for anyone who considers themselves "civilized". But that's okay, in time, with training, they will come to see this and realize that your way is the only true path to enlightenment and peace.


I'll bet you say that to all the girls.
 
2013-01-29 11:01:20 PM  

ph0rk: atomicmask: ph0rk: atomicmask: Why is it when a nut commits a crime, the first thing we wanna discuss is the tools he used rather then the fact he is a raving farking nut that built a bunker and kidnapped a kid?

This is a NUT problem, not a gun problem.

Because many of us would like to live in an America where the nuts don't all have guns.

I would like to live in an america where the nuts are not free to have guns, knives, rope, or underground child holding bunkers.

Maybe we should ban the nuts instead of the guns?

Absolutely. I'm all for mandatory mental health screenings - are you?


Sure as long as it adds no cost to the transaction. If it is free, yes.
 
2013-01-29 11:01:21 PM  
*yawn*

This is becoming the new "child gets abducted" story. I'm not saying that it should have happened, but this is fast becoming passe and a routine with all your expected political shiatposting and ironic politicial shiatposting.
 
2013-01-29 11:01:41 PM  

LadySusan: BuckTurgidson: NOW can we finally arm students?

How about automated gun turrets that just fire to the sound of gunfire?


i.ytimg.com

Sucks when they run out of ammo, though.
 
2013-01-29 11:01:43 PM  
coeyagi:

You said nothing about insane people in this response.

Add "liar" to "illiterate" and "insane".


I already addressed up thread that I didn't focus on the first part of his argument(the "insane" part he was talking about), and that was wrong, or did you not read?
 
2013-01-29 11:02:03 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Did any of you give a damn about to 500 plus people murdered in the gun free utopia of Chicago last year?


Shh!  Don't confuse the puppets by having them try to figure out how many dead black/Hispanics equals the moral outrage a dead whitey. Dead black/Hispanic people are just statistics.  It's just like the "attractive blonde white girl missing" meme, only with guns.
 
2013-01-29 11:02:11 PM  
Jesus died for my sins and all I got for it was this lousy t-shirt and some murdered people? Dude, I thought you were totally, like, trying to prevent this?
 
2013-01-29 11:02:19 PM  

coeyagi: Kygz: A school bus newsflash at like 9:30 pm? Yeah, fark!

Um, one of the biggest news stories of the day yesterday, the potential revocation of the gay ban in Scouting, didn't even hit Fark's radar on any tab as far as I could tell.

Don't blame the platform, blame the users.


It was submitted multiple times and even hit the main page early yesterday.
 
2013-01-29 11:02:34 PM  
This wouldn't have happened if we had more guns in our Kindergartens.
 
2013-01-29 11:02:46 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: coeyagi: Kygz: A school bus newsflash at like 9:30 pm? Yeah, fark!

Um, one of the biggest news stories of the day yesterday, the potential revocation of the gay ban in Scouting, didn't even hit Fark's radar on any tab as far as I could tell.

Don't blame the platform, blame the users.

It was submitted multiple times and even hit the main page early yesterday.


Yes, we covered this.
 
2013-01-29 11:03:17 PM  

atomicmask: Sure as long as it adds no cost to the transaction. If it is free, yes.


You misunderstand. As you say, guns aren't the problem - crazy people are.

We need mandatory mental health checks for everyone. I'd say every two months, to start.
 
2013-01-29 11:03:43 PM  

whatshisname: There will always be loonies and criminals. Just don't give them easy access to tools they can use to do harm.

A few statistically aberrant acts by terrorists means trillions of dollars spent on airport screenings and massive restrictions on what you can take on a plane. But regular shootings of children gets a shrug and "So what can we do about it?"

Strange priorities.


the TSA is bullshiat and everybody pretty much knows it's a crony money grab by the military-industrial complex.
 
2013-01-29 11:03:52 PM  

coeyagi: Kygz: A school bus newsflash at like 9:30 pm? Yeah, fark!

Um, one of the biggest news stories of the day yesterday, the potential revocation of the gay ban in Scouting, didn't even hit Fark's radar on any tab as far as I could tell.

Don't blame the platform, blame the users.


Actually it was greenlit to the main page on January 28th.
 
2013-01-29 11:04:20 PM  

muck4doo: coeyagi:

You said nothing about insane people in this response.

Add "liar" to "illiterate" and "insane".

I already addressed up thread that I didn't focus on the first part of his argument(the "insane" part he was talking about), and that was wrong, or did you not read?


I did, and it proves that you by extension admit that you're insane. It's a logical argument to make. You may not agree with it, you may say it's not true, but you can't argue given your comments that my conclusion is incorrect via logic.
 
2013-01-29 11:04:25 PM  

howdoibegin: atomicmask: Why is it when a nut commits a crime, the first thing we wanna discuss is the tools he used rather then the fact he is a raving farking nut that built a bunker and kidnapped a kid?

Because you want to make sure nuts have easy access to the most effective tools of killing people stupid people have for killing people. What you retarded americans don't really understand is that if there are no guns to buy without a long wait, either the moment passes, or most 'criminals' of this ilk are actually pretty normal people who are not in gangs and wouldn't know how to buy on a blackmarket unless you could just buy a gun off of craigslist. I'd be surprised that this is complicated for folks, except that even sane, well adjusted people talk shiat about what they could do all the time, and yet can't seem to muster up the energy or organization for it. If it's easier to get or buy a gun, it's easier to get or buy a gun.


Actually the most effective means of killing someone is not a gun, it is most likely poison or using a bomb. Poison is low profile and has a high rate of death, and a bomb does not require aim, or you to even be in the area of the victim.

But you keep thinking guns are this golden murder machine that kills people, despite 95% of gunshot victims surviving.

Also piss off, worry about your own country.
 
2013-01-29 11:05:07 PM  

syrynxx: jehovahs witness protection: Did any of you give a damn about to 500 plus people murdered in the gun free utopia of Chicago last year?

Shh!  Don't confuse the puppets by having them try to figure out how many dead black/Hispanics equals the moral outrage a dead whitey. Dead black/Hispanic people are just statistics.  It's just like the "attractive blonde white girl missing" meme, only with guns.


Show me a Fark thread about a gun murder in Chicago where people arguing for gun control begged off.

/You may have a valid point, but you have nothing to back it up, so your argument is empty.
 
2013-01-29 11:05:08 PM  

ph0rk: atomicmask: Sure as long as it adds no cost to the transaction. If it is free, yes.

You misunderstand. As you say, guns aren't the problem - crazy people are.

We need mandatory mental health checks for everyone. I'd say every two months, to start.


As long as they can be used to deny people the right to vote, the GOP would pay for it.
 
2013-01-29 11:05:10 PM  
Yay buses.

//Since he demanded specific children, I'm going to assume that, as usual, this is someone related to the victims.
 
2013-01-29 11:05:13 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: coeyagi: Kygz: A school bus newsflash at like 9:30 pm? Yeah, fark!

Um, one of the biggest news stories of the day yesterday, the potential revocation of the gay ban in Scouting, didn't even hit Fark's radar on any tab as far as I could tell.

Don't blame the platform, blame the users.

Actually it was greenlit to the main page on January 28th.


Thanks, Third-Person-to-Point-that-Out Guy.
 
2013-01-29 11:05:18 PM  

JohnnyC: TheUltimateLink: Gun control laws won't protect ordinary citizens from people like this.

So you're saying that more robust screening processes for the purchase of firearms couldn't have stopped this certifiable nutcase from getting a gun and shooting someone? Somehow... I disagree with your assessment.



Did this guy have a felony conviction or mental issue at the time he purchased his guns? If not, the only way better screening could have been kept from using a gun is by instituting mandatory yearly mental health screenings, and confiscating all his guns the first year he fails.

Of course there are certain individuals who think that solution would be too hard, so they claim the only solution is to ban guns entirely, because without guns murder is impossible...
 
2013-01-29 11:05:19 PM  
The man who is believed to be holed up in the Midland City hostage situation following a shooting on a school bus is Jimmy Lee Dykes, 65, who was scheduled to be in court Wednesday for a bench trial on a menacing charge. Dykes, holding a gun on a 6 year old and wiping bus driver blood from his hair, insists that he's innocent of all charges.
 
2013-01-29 11:05:32 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: ph0rk: atomicmask: Sure as long as it adds no cost to the transaction. If it is free, yes.

You misunderstand. As you say, guns aren't the problem - crazy people are.

We need mandatory mental health checks for everyone. I'd say every two months, to start.

As long as they can be used to deny people the right to vote, the GOP would pay for it.


Well, if you want to make an omelette, you gotta break a few eggs.
 
2013-01-29 11:05:39 PM  

syrynxx: jehovahs witness protection: Did any of you give a damn about to 500 plus people murdered in the gun free utopia of Chicago last year?

Shh!  Don't confuse the puppets by having them try to figure out how many dead black/Hispanics equals the moral outrage a dead whitey. Dead black/Hispanic people are just statistics.  It's just like the "attractive blonde white girl missing" meme, only with guns.


Well at least it gives you something to be racist about.
 
2013-01-29 11:05:41 PM  

LadySusan: Gun deaths are horrible. When someone has good data that show a solution I'll be willing to listen. In the meantime I'd rather worry about lack of adequate health care where the real horrible and unnecessary causes of death occur.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/lcod.htm

Gun deaths aren't even much of a statistic here.


Relativism is an argument for stupid people. Apparently what you're trying to say is that gun control and good healthcare are issues that can only be addressed exclusively. Which is dumb.
 
2013-01-29 11:05:48 PM  

super_grass: *yawn*

This is becoming the new "child gets abducted" story. I'm not saying that it should have happened, but this is fast becoming passe and a routine with all your expected political shiatposting and ironic politicial shiatposting.


You were political shiatposting before it was cool?
 
2013-01-29 11:06:47 PM  
Microsoft not releasing Windows 8 would have prevented this
 
2013-01-29 11:06:52 PM  

the ha ha guy: Did this guy have a felony conviction or mental issue at the time he purchased his guns? If not, the only way better screening could have been kept from using a gun is by instituting mandatory yearly mental health screenings, and confiscating all his guns the first year he fails.


Not frequent enough, I don't think.
 
2013-01-29 11:08:09 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: MichiganFTL: Oh hey look, let's post snarky comments about being trendily anti-gun! Not like actually worry about someone's child who's in a horrible situation or someone's father/son/brother who's heading to ICU...

Crap, I'm on fark, what am I thinkin'? How big was the gun's clip? Did it have assault bullets? If only our busses had bulletproof windows and panic rooms.

Because "I hope the kid will be OK" posts are so very useful, right?

There's a legitimate, ongoing, nationwide debate going on about taking legal steps to limit access to guns. Any situation that arises where guns are used in an unusual (and therefore newsworthy) criminal act is going to be fodder for that debate. Each such incident has the potential to change minds, and as such is a legitimate reason to continue the debate, folding the incident into the conversation, until the issue is settled. That's worthy of discussion.

No post here about hopes for the child's safety, or prayers for the bus driver, or sympathy for the kids on the bus or their parents will do much beyond making the poster feel good about having said something in empathy or sympathy for the people involved. Such wishes, well-intended as they might be, are not really worthy of discussion.

Hence, this thread becomes a discussion of the larger issues at hand.

/Interesting that not one of your own posts has anything to say about the people affected (precisely the lament here), nor do any of them seem to advance the debate on the larger issue. They're pretty much all snarky comments.


Gun owners do care, because people like this are a minority and make the rest of us look bad. The first and most comments here are all take away guns, not what about the bus driver. Which side is skewed more? You think that with all the guns we have in this country people couldn't go out and commit mass murder on a daily basis? Yet somehow it doesn't happen. This guy is crazy. The laws that are already in place failed. Why would more laws have prevented this?

Next, lets start subbing and greening all the stories about homeowners who defend themselves too, and ya'll can come in and tell us how they should have been raped or killed, or raped then killed. It'll be awesome! The alternative is you'd tell me that if guns were illegal that those criminals that broke in wouldn't have had them. Too late for that. You think that if there was a market, guns wouldn't flow over from Mexico? We certainly don't seem to be able to stop the drugs and there is a war on them.

Also, if you think the laws they're trying to pass have anything to do with murder, you're an idiot. (This is an ad hominem attack, you should point it out and use it to make my argument invalid) Obama admitted in the debates that most gun crime in Chicago is by cheap pistols, but for some reason that's not what they're trying to stop.. why is that? 50% of all murderers are black, and yet that make up 13% of our population. If you want to stop crime, ban black people, it would be considerably more effective than banning a gun used in 2-3% of murders.
 
2013-01-29 11:08:14 PM  
www.wired.com
 
2013-01-29 11:08:45 PM  

coeyagi: muck4doo: coeyagi:

You said nothing about insane people in this response.

Add "liar" to "illiterate" and "insane".

I already addressed up thread that I didn't focus on the first part of his argument(the "insane" part he was talking about), and that was wrong, or did you not read?

I did, and it proves that you by extension admit that you're insane. It's a logical argument to make. You may not agree with it, you may say it's not true, but you can't argue given your comments that my conclusion is incorrect via logic.


It logically shows you have no clue what logic is if you thinking admitting an error and correcting it means any of those things. But you go on being a tard.
 
2013-01-29 11:09:36 PM  
LETS TAKE SWEDEN'S EXAMPLE!


They had so many bus drivers held up, you can't buy tickets on a public bus anymore. You have to purchase it from a machine that, if you don't have the right coins, you are screwed.

Yeah, gun control!
 
2013-01-29 11:10:31 PM  
I can't find any live coverage of this anywhere, the news stations down there suck.
On one stations website, this event is 2 stories down, below 2 sports stories, and the last update I've seen anywhere is 3 hours old.
 
2013-01-29 11:10:53 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Here's some video from earlier this evening.


Hey thanks for finding and sharing that.
 
2013-01-29 11:11:48 PM  

Karma Curmudgeon: super_grass: *yawn*

This is becoming the new "child gets abducted" story. I'm not saying that it should have happened, but this is fast becoming passe and a routine with all your expected political shiatposting and ironic politicial shiatposting.

You were political shiatposting before it was cool?


shiatposting is a art, a performance of intellectual fortitude through through understanding of the topic. You make absurd and contradictory statements that borders between seriousness and satire because you know precisely what people are arguing for and against.

Now it's just people repeating cable news talking points and willfully misinterpreting others' posts.

Dayum shame too.
 
2013-01-29 11:12:37 PM  

Gwendolyn: Let's all PRAY! That'll make us feel better about doing absolutely nothing.


Too little, too late.
 
2013-01-29 11:13:08 PM  

DoctorCal: [www.wired.com image 660x415]


Second.
 
2013-01-29 11:13:39 PM  
This creep, and the numbnuts on this thread reminds me of my favorite quote:

"The trouble is not that the world is full of fools, it's just that lightning isn't distributed right" - Mark Twain
 
2013-01-29 11:14:21 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: ph0rk: atomicmask: Sure as long as it adds no cost to the transaction. If it is free, yes.

You misunderstand. As you say, guns aren't the problem - crazy people are.

We need mandatory mental health checks for everyone. I'd say every two months, to start.

As long as they can be used to deny people the right to vote, the GOP would pay for it.


So you admit liberals are crazy. It's about time.
 
2013-01-29 11:14:28 PM  

100 Watt Walrus:
Show me a Fark thread about a gun murder in Chicago where people arguing for gun control begged off.

Well, I could show you a thread about how there have already been 40 murders in Chicago year to date - more than that New England event - and I bet you've never even heard of it.  jwp's is entirely valid.  I'm not saying that what happened in New England is acceptable, but that far more people are killed every year - ten times as many - and it doesn't raise a blip on the 'not news' radar because they were killed one at a time.

Everybody knows the name Natalee Holloway, the attractive blond girl who went missing in Aruba.  Why?  Why do we care about Aruba?  How many people go missing each month?  But she was pretty, and she made good news.  Black youths who live in black neighborhoods with possible gang affiliation being shot by other black youths with possible gang affiliation don't make good news.

Agent Smiths Laugh: Well at least it gives you something to be racist about.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/02/us/chicago-killings.ht ml

Correlation is not causation, but it sure as hell is correlation.
 
2013-01-29 11:14:57 PM  
So many clever assholes. This is fark. Are you proud?
 
2013-01-29 11:15:26 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: Wyalt Derp: muck4doo: You dropped out of reading classes in 6th grade, didn't you?

Why don't you ax my teacher?

[i287.photobucket.com image 152x134]


Oh, sorry. Didn't realize there were two of you that didn't know axe can also be spelled ax.
 
2013-01-29 11:16:02 PM  

Freeballin: 100 Watt Walrus: MichiganFTL: Oh hey look, let's post snarky comments about being trendily anti-gun! Not like actually worry about someone's child who's in a horrible situation or someone's father/son/brother who's heading to ICU...

Crap, I'm on fark, what am I thinkin'? How big was the gun's clip? Did it have assault bullets? If only our busses had bulletproof windows and panic rooms.

Because "I hope the kid will be OK" posts are so very useful, right?

There's a legitimate, ongoing, nationwide debate going on about taking legal steps to limit access to guns. Any situation that arises where guns are used in an unusual (and therefore newsworthy) criminal act is going to be fodder for that debate. Each such incident has the potential to change minds, and as such is a legitimate reason to continue the debate, folding the incident into the conversation, until the issue is settled. That's worthy of discussion.

No post here about hopes for the child's safety, or prayers for the bus driver, or sympathy for the kids on the bus or their parents will do much beyond making the poster feel good about having said something in empathy or sympathy for the people involved. Such wishes, well-intended as they might be, are not really worthy of discussion.

Hence, this thread becomes a discussion of the larger issues at hand.

/Interesting that not one of your own posts has anything to say about the people affected (precisely the lament here), nor do any of them seem to advance the debate on the larger issue. They're pretty much all snarky comments.

Gun owners do care, because people like this are a minority and make the rest of us look bad. The first and most comments here are all take away guns, not what about the bus driver. Which side is skewed more? You think that with all the guns we have in this country people couldn't go out and commit mass murder on a daily basis? Yet somehow it doesn't happen. This guy is crazy. The laws that are already in place failed. Why woul ...


See, this is almost the kind of post that is useful in a debate - much more useful than posting emotions about the people affected directly by these events. It would be exactly the kind of post that is useful if it weren't filled with insults, but that's the tone you get around here. As I said, there's a legitimate, ongoing, nationwide debate, and Freeballin's points - without the dickishness - are a valid POV in that debate.
 
2013-01-29 11:17:16 PM  
OOH  GUN THREAD!
bleachermonkeys.com
 
2013-01-29 11:17:30 PM  

Slackfumasta: WTF is wrong with people?


Guns. If people didn't have guns, they would be perfectly normal.
 
2013-01-29 11:18:38 PM  
/Interesting that not one of your own posts has anything to say about the people affected (precisely the lament here), nor do any of them seem to advance the debate on the larger issue. They're pretty much all snarky comments.

This, this, this x 1000
 
2013-01-29 11:18:57 PM  

TommyymmoT: I can't find any live coverage of this anywhere, the news stations down there suck.
On one stations website, this event is 2 stories down, below 2 sports stories, and the last update I've seen anywhere is 3 hours old.


Maybe it's not being covered live because there's nothing new to report at the moment?

/of course, when has that ever stopped live news coverage?
 
2013-01-29 11:18:59 PM  

sheep snorter: .........Latest news........ .

Religious Retards praying for .....something.

/WTF wrong with people??? Praying solves NOTHING.


I particularly like the ones that are praying god will protect the child.  If god was going to protect the child, why was it snatched in the first place?
 
2013-01-29 11:19:51 PM  

MichiganFTL: Oh hey look, let's post snarky comments about being trendily anti-gun! Not like actually worry about someone's child who's in a horrible situation or someone's father/son/brother who's heading to ICU...

Crap, I'm on fark, what am I thinkin'? How big was the gun's clip? Did it have assault bullets? If only our busses had bulletproof windows and panic rooms.


Clearly you care more about the real victims then we do, which as you've pointed out are the guns.
 
2013-01-29 11:20:26 PM  

thorthor: So many clever assholes. This is fark. Are you proud?


Not that I've tried to be hyper-snarky, but I'm somewhat inured at this point.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning currently holed up there with a hostage.  I don't care if he has a gun or a morning star or a set of Ginsu steak knives.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning. That's all this thread should be about.
 
2013-01-29 11:21:02 PM  

LadyBelgara: sheep snorter: .........Latest news........ .

Religious Retards praying for .....something.

/WTF wrong with people??? Praying solves NOTHING.

I particularly like the ones that are praying god will protect the child.  If god was going to protect the child, why was it snatched in the first place?


My bad. I was praying for the Super Bowl this morning.
 
2013-01-29 11:21:43 PM  
My prayers go out to all the gun owners.
 
2013-01-29 11:21:47 PM  

syrynxx: thorthor: So many clever assholes. This is fark. Are you proud?

Not that I've tried to be hyper-snarky, but I'm somewhat inured at this point.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning currently holed up there with a hostage.  I don't care if he has a gun or a morning star or a set of Ginsu steak knives.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning. That's all this thread should be about.


EXACTLY!
 
2013-01-29 11:21:47 PM  

syrynxx: 100 Watt Walrus:
Show me a Fark thread about a gun murder in Chicago where people arguing for gun control begged off.

Well, I could show you a thread about how there have already been 40 murders in Chicago year to date - more than that New England event - and I bet you've never even heard of it.  jwp's is entirely valid.  I'm not saying that what happened in New England is acceptable, but that far more people are killed every year - ten times as many - and it doesn't raise a blip on the 'not news' radar because they were killed one at a time.

Everybody knows the name Natalee Holloway, the attractive blond girl who went missing in Aruba.  Why?  Why do we care about Aruba?  How many people go missing each month?  But she was pretty, and she made good news.  Black youths who live in black neighborhoods with possible gang affiliation being shot by other black youths with possible gang affiliation don't make good news.

Agent Smiths Laugh: Well at least it gives you something to be racist about.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/02/us/chicago-killings.ht ml

Correlation is not causation, but it sure as hell is correlation.


All of that may be true, but the argument made was "Did any of you give a damn about to 500 plus people murdered in the gun free utopia of Chicago last year?" and my point is that without a Fark thread about murders in Chicago where gun control was not discussed, the argument is invalid.
 
2013-01-29 11:23:00 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: LadyBelgara: sheep snorter: .........Latest news........ .

Religious Retards praying for .....something.

/WTF wrong with people??? Praying solves NOTHING.

I particularly like the ones that are praying god will protect the child.  If god was going to protect the child, why was it snatched in the first place?

My bad. I was praying for the Super Bowl this morning.


I prayed for an incendiary gun thread.
 
2013-01-29 11:23:06 PM  

muck4doo: coeyagi: muck4doo: coeyagi:

You said nothing about insane people in this response.

Add "liar" to "illiterate" and "insane".

I already addressed up thread that I didn't focus on the first part of his argument(the "insane" part he was talking about), and that was wrong, or did you not read?

I did, and it proves that you by extension admit that you're insane. It's a logical argument to make. You may not agree with it, you may say it's not true, but you can't argue given your comments that my conclusion is incorrect via logic.

It logically shows you have no clue what logic is if you thinking admitting an error and correcting it means any of those things. But you go on being a tard.


Hey ace, I proved you were insane well before you admitted error and corrected it. You, however, only understood on my 3rd explanation which was after your admittance.

Add "chronological ignorance" to "liar", "illiterate" and "insane".
 
2013-01-29 11:23:32 PM  

LadyBelgara: sheep snorter: .........Latest news........ .

Religious Retards praying for .....something.

/WTF wrong with people??? Praying solves NOTHING.

I particularly like the ones that are praying god will protect the child.  If god was going to protect the child, why was it snatched in the first place?


"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"
 
2013-01-29 11:24:14 PM  

syrynxx: thorthor: So many clever assholes. This is fark. Are you proud?

Not that I've tried to be hyper-snarky, but I'm somewhat inured at this point.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning currently holed up there with a hostage.  I don't care if he has a gun or a morning star or a set of Ginsu steak knives.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning. That's all this thread should be about.


Going by what the man being interviewed in the video I posted earlier, it sounds like the bunker is an old fallout shelter.

Right now I'm more concerned with the young child that was taken hostage. Is he/she alive? Has he/she been harmed?
 
2013-01-29 11:25:02 PM  

muck4doo: 100 Watt Walrus: Wyalt Derp: muck4doo: You dropped out of reading classes in 6th grade, didn't you?

Why don't you ax my teacher?

[i287.photobucket.com image 152x134]

Oh, sorry. Didn't realize there were two of you that didn't know axe can also be spelled ax.


He was playing off the use of the word "ax" instead of "ask," sarcastically implying he didn't learn the correct word because he did drop out of reading classes in 6th grade.

img397.imageshack.us
 
2013-01-29 11:25:11 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: LadyBelgara: sheep snorter: .........Latest news........ .

Religious Retards praying for .....something.

/WTF wrong with people??? Praying solves NOTHING.

I particularly like the ones that are praying god will protect the child.  If god was going to protect the child, why was it snatched in the first place?

My bad. I was praying for the Super Bowl this morning.


Way to distract god.  You know how god is whenever football is mentioned.  Can't concentrate on anything else for the rest of the day.
 
2013-01-29 11:26:11 PM  
I guess this means we need to ban guns right after this nut is shot.
 
2013-01-29 11:26:44 PM  

syrynxx: thorthor: So many clever assholes. This is fark. Are you proud?

Not that I've tried to be hyper-snarky, but I'm somewhat inured at this point.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning currently holed up there with a hostage.  I don't care if he has a gun or a morning star or a set of Ginsu steak knives.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning. That's all this thread should be about.


But he has a gun.....

What's that about a bunker? And a hostage? Sorry. I stopped and "gun" and went straight to the thread.
 
2013-01-29 11:27:11 PM  
Right now I'm more concerned with the young child that was taken hostage. Is he/she alive? Has he/she been harmed?

Rational thought.... i thought we had lost it all. Thank you.
 
2013-01-29 11:28:09 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: muck4doo: 100 Watt Walrus: Wyalt Derp: muck4doo: You dropped out of reading classes in 6th grade, didn't you?

Why don't you ax my teacher?

[i287.photobucket.com image 152x134]

Oh, sorry. Didn't realize there were two of you that didn't know axe can also be spelled ax.

He was playing off the use of the word "ax" instead of "ask," sarcastically implying he didn't learn the correct word because he did drop out of reading classes in 6th grade.

[img397.imageshack.us image 450x335]


Sure, that must be it.
 
2013-01-29 11:28:30 PM  

LadySusan: BuckTurgidson: NOW can we finally arm students?

How about automated gun turrets that just fire to the sound of gunfire?


Now yer talkin'!

i14.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-29 11:28:59 PM  
cavedonkey:
/And: "Who is the Bus Driver"?

It may a cantankerous old guy by the name of "Crankshaft".
 
2013-01-29 11:29:10 PM  
Is it really too crass to start a gun crime network? Because Nancy Grace would anchor it perfectly.
 
2013-01-29 11:29:50 PM  

thorthor: Right now I'm more concerned with the young child that was taken hostage. Is he/she alive? Has he/she been harmed?

Rational thought.... i thought we had lost it all. Thank you.


Programmatic cliff-hanger.
 
2013-01-29 11:30:03 PM  
No guess I was wrong, more important that someone misspelled "axe". PATHETIC MORONS.
 
2013-01-29 11:31:04 PM  

illannoyin: mediablitz: illannoyin: doyner: If the Demorats weren't going to take our guns away court hadn't released him the first time he threatened someone with a gun he wouldn't have felt the urgency to exercise his 2nd Amendment rights been able to commit this crime with a gun too.

FTFY

FTA - "James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing."

This is what should have happened to him instead...

Link

Or

Link

He was just ACCUSED. I'd be fine with his weapons being taken away until trial.

Absolutely. This is not some concealed carry guy defending himself. This is an unstable arsehole who was arrested for pulling a gun on a guy and his kid for driving on his lawn. Everyone in the neighborhood knows who this guy is. Get their testimony and build a case to...

Lock him up

Have him evaluated by three psychiatrists

Have him committed because he's crazy (normal people don't pull a gun for driving on their lawn no matter how old and crotchety they are) and get him the help he needs

While he's in the klink get a search warrant to unload his bunker

Sell all the guns and ammo confiscated to help offset the cost of his treatment

/There should be no second chance when it comes to gun crimes


And, peripherally, this guy should be sterilized. Not allowed to have kids. There's no "right" to reproduce and he's proven that he's the sort of person that's dangerous (not just difficult or unusual, but dangerous) and so shouldn't be a parent.
 
2013-01-29 11:31:30 PM  
"All Dale County and Ozark City Schools will be closed Wednesday."

Schools need to start planning extra days into the schedule like the do for snow. They can call them "overreaction days."
 
2013-01-29 11:31:46 PM  

quantum_jellyroll: cavedonkey:
/And: "Who is the Bus Driver"?

It may a cantankerous old guy by the name of "Crankshaft".


Seriously, no references to "If Looks Could Kill"?

The French Teacher is disappoint.
 
2013-01-29 11:32:39 PM  

thorthor: No guess I was wrong, more important that someone misspelled "axe". PATHETIC MORONS.


There's no news on this. We can argue "ax" all we want.
 
2013-01-29 11:32:39 PM  
This list just keeps getting longer: Eh hem. We must arm the teachers, the janitors, the principals. We need 2 armed law enforcement at every school, university, pre-school, military bases (wait..what?), theaters, malls...AND we now need to arm the school bus drivers. Did we ever arm the postal workers?
 
2013-01-29 11:33:02 PM  

Phil Moskowitz: Is it really too crass to start a gun crime network? Because Nancy Grace would anchor it perfectly.


Only if it involves attractive, white college-age females being kidnapped at gunpoint.

I've been out of the country for a few months, but it really seems like America has gone completely batshiat while I've been gone.  Am I only hearing about the insane stuff because that's all that's likely to make news here, or do people in America feel like everything's suddenly gone to hell, too?  I honestly can't tell.
 
2013-01-29 11:33:07 PM  

syrynxx: 100 Watt Walrus:
Show me a Fark thread about a gun murder in Chicago where people arguing for gun control begged off.

Well, I could show you a thread about how there have already been 40 murders in Chicago year to date - more than that New England event - and I bet you've never even heard of it.  jwp's is entirely valid.  I'm not saying that what happened in New England is acceptable, but that far more people are killed every year - ten times as many - and it doesn't raise a blip on the 'not news' radar because they were killed one at a time.

Everybody knows the name Natalee Holloway, the attractive blond girl who went missing in Aruba.  Why?  Why do we care about Aruba?  How many people go missing each month?  But she was pretty, and she made good news.  Black youths who live in black neighborhoods with possible gang affiliation being shot by other black youths with possible gang affiliation don't make good news.

Agent Smiths Laugh: Well at least it gives you something to be racist about.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/02/us/chicago-killings.ht ml

Correlation is not causation, but it sure as hell is correlation.


FTL: "Residents living near homicides in the last 12 years were much more likely to be black, earn less money and lack a college degree. "

Correlations don't mean shiat unless you do the further work.

because I'm sure educational quality, unemployment, underemployment, infrastructure, ownership status, neighborhood status, collective efficacy, familial social networks, "broken windows", drug accessibility  gang activity, drug markets and employment opportunities, household income, access to transportation, job distances, average family size, etc have NOTHING to do with it.

It must be because they are ______
 
2013-01-29 11:34:03 PM  

KarmicDisaster: LadyBelgara: sheep snorter: .........Latest news........ .

Religious Retards praying for .....something.

/WTF wrong with people??? Praying solves NOTHING.

I particularly like the ones that are praying god will protect the child.  If god was going to protect the child, why was it snatched in the first place?

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?"


If he didn't allow evil to happen, we wouldn't have free will. Many people don't realize that there is no free will in heaven where God does not allow evil.
 
2013-01-29 11:34:35 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: Right now I'm more concerned with the young child that was taken hostage. Is he/she alive? Has he/she been harmed?


True.  I didn't mean to imply that a single child in danger is any less newsworthy that 20 or 30.
 
2013-01-29 11:35:57 PM  
[News Flash!] Scientists Discover Cure For Cancer! (Comments: 8)

[Scary!] BB Gun Spotted 16 Miles From a School (Comments: 53,938)
 
2013-01-29 11:36:49 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: FTFA: James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing.

And yet he still had a gun

/why?


I'd like to say that it's because "charged" and "convicted" are different things.
But, in reality, he probably would have gotten to keep the gun even if convicted.
Or, even if he wasn't allowed to keep the gun, probably would have gotten his hands on one anyhow.
 
2013-01-29 11:37:24 PM  

TerminalEchoes: [Geek] Scientists Discover Cure For Cancer! (Comments: 1)

[Scary!] BB Gun Spotted 16 Miles From a School (Comments: 53,938)


FIFY
 
2013-01-29 11:38:10 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: TommyymmoT: I can't find any live coverage of this anywhere, the news stations down there suck.
On one stations website, this event is 2 stories down, below 2 sports stories, and the last update I've seen anywhere is 3 hours old.

Maybe it's not being covered live because there's nothing new to report at the moment?

/of course, when has that ever stopped live news coverage?


One station down there did have some important breaking news though.
Jim Nabors got married.
http://www.wsfa.com/story/20805642/exclusive-actor-jim-nabors-marrie s- his-longtime-male-partner
 
2013-01-29 11:38:25 PM  
The tsunami of possible solutions from the Second Amendment without constraints crowd is as whelming as usual.
 
2013-01-29 11:38:58 PM  
At least we were all able to get our talking points off before the victim's corpse had a chance to cool.

The arguments in the gun threads go round and round, round and round, round and round. The arguments in the gun threads go round and round, all through fark.
 
2013-01-29 11:39:59 PM  

LadyBelgara: Phil Moskowitz: Is it really too crass to start a gun crime network? Because Nancy Grace would anchor it perfectly.

Only if it involves attractive, white college-age females being kidnapped at gunpoint.

I've been out of the country for a few months, but it really seems like America has gone completely batshiat while I've been gone.  Am I only hearing about the insane stuff because that's all that's likely to make news here, or do people in America feel like everything's suddenly gone to hell, too?  I honestly can't tell.


it feels like the country got hit with massive amounts of derp radiation from some evil mastermind's secret weapon/plot and the weak/feeble minded are now even moreso.

If it weren't for hockey I'd say leave again and take me with you.
 
2013-01-29 11:40:07 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Yeah, I get the 'innocent until proven guilty' thing, but would it be too much to ask, in circumstances like this at least, to have like a 90 day impound of all firearms until you have your court date?

Granted that sounds like a reasonable idea, but would it have been legal?


Don't they do that in domestic abuse situations?
 
2013-01-29 11:40:50 PM  

TommyymmoT: Jim Nabors got married.


Well surPRISE, surPRISE, surprise!
 
2013-01-29 11:42:07 PM  

muck4doo: thorthor: No guess I was wrong, more important that someone misspelled "axe". PATHETIC MORONS.

There's no news on this. We can argue "ax" all we want.


Yes you can, and prove you are among the largest chunks of dickcheese I have ever encountered. Do you place such a high value on being smart assed idiots? You make me sick by not addressing the issue at hand, but arguing spelling and semantics when people have died. How do you think that helps?
It might seem "cute and snarky" to you. To me, not so much.
 
2013-01-29 11:42:41 PM  
This is cropping up too much. This is a mental health issue. People do not have access to mental health care or affordable insurance. This is a failure on Justice's part. Arrested on an assault, brandishing a weapon, domestic violence should be handeled with a hold without bond for mental health evaluation.

America is going to have to come to terms with affording health care for those who cannot afford it and provide mental health services.

This man who is committing this act is a veteran. People are saying that he has always been strange. There was plenty of warning prior to this, yet no safety net to diffuse him even when he was charged Dec 22.

We need emergency action from the Feds to enact mental health screening and mental health care and holds on those arrested or detained on violence, stalking, bullying or threat charges.

America needs to seek out the mentally ill and get them help they need now.
 
2013-01-29 11:43:01 PM  
...i've come to believe that what we are calling gun nuts are people that are scared. I'm not sure of what, exactly. Is it chemical? organic? social?
...this epidemic of shootings, not mass shootings, just every-day-all-day-all-across-the-country? Is it plausible we've become paranoid and afraid of each other?
...guns are useful, but we aren't using them as tools anymore as much as we are using them to make personal statements that no one else hears but other fearful people.

...i am so sick of reading about guns and shootings
 
2013-01-29 11:45:15 PM  

100 Watt Walrus: my point is that without a Fark thread about murders in Chicago where gun control was not discussed, the argument is invalid


Well, and my point is that there wasn't one at all.  Violence happens all the time in very many cities.  If every firearm homicide in every city were made a Fark headline, there would need to be a whole tab just for that.  So my over-the-top point was pointing out that 'we' selectively fixate on certain stories - baby Jessica down a well, Natalee Holloway missing - when incidents like these happen all the time, and if we were all exposed to every single incident, we would all become inured and 'change the channel'.
 
2013-01-29 11:46:21 PM  

dmax: illannoyin: mediablitz: illannoyin: doyner: If the Demorats weren't going to take our guns away court hadn't released him the first time he threatened someone with a gun he wouldn't have felt the urgency to exercise his 2nd Amendment rights been able to commit this crime with a gun too.

FTFY

FTA - "James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing."

This is what should have happened to him instead...

Link

Or

Link

He was just ACCUSED. I'd be fine with his weapons being taken away until trial.

Absolutely. This is not some concealed carry guy defending himself. This is an unstable arsehole who was arrested for pulling a gun on a guy and his kid for driving on his lawn. Everyone in the neighborhood knows who this guy is. Get their testimony and build a case to...

Lock him up

Have him evaluated by three psychiatrists

Have him committed because he's crazy (normal people don't pull a gun for driving on their lawn no matter how old and crotchety they are) and get him the help he needs

While he's in the klink get a search warrant to unload his bunker

Sell all the guns and ammo confiscated to help offset the cost of his treatment

/There should be no second chance when it comes to gun crimes

And, peripherally, this guy should be sterilized. Not allowed to have kids. There's no "right" to reproduce and he's proven that he's the sort of person that's dangerous (not just difficult or unusual, but dangerous) and so shouldn't be a parent.


The guy is 65 years old. He probably has adult children.
 
2013-01-29 11:46:24 PM  

msupf: LadyBelgara: Phil Moskowitz: Is it really too crass to start a gun crime network? Because Nancy Grace would anchor it perfectly.

Only if it involves attractive, white college-age females being kidnapped at gunpoint.

I've been out of the country for a few months, but it really seems like America has gone completely batshiat while I've been gone.  Am I only hearing about the insane stuff because that's all that's likely to make news here, or do people in America feel like everything's suddenly gone to hell, too?  I honestly can't tell.

it feels like the country got hit with massive amounts of derp radiation from some evil mastermind's secret weapon/plot and the weak/feeble minded are now even moreso.

If it weren't for hockey I'd say leave again and take me with you.


I'm still gone.  I was already...less than excited about returning in April.  This isn't helping.  Japan sure as hell has its problems, but having to worry about getting randomly shot up one day while driving down I-96 isn't one of them.  They finally caught that crazy fark, didn't they?  That stretch of I-96 wasn't far from my house.
 
2013-01-29 11:47:07 PM  

TerminalEchoes: [News Flash!] Scientists Discover Cure For Cancer! (Comments: 8)

[Scary!] BB Gun Spotted 16 Miles From a School (Comments: 53,938)


Or as Breitbart would report it:

Obama's Liberal "Scientists" PutThousands of Health Care Workers Out On The Street!   (Comments: 8)

Patriot Guards School From Afar (Comments 53,938)
 
2013-01-29 11:48:08 PM  
Depending on how well stocked his bunker is and considering he has a hostage, how long could this standoff last?
 
2013-01-29 11:50:45 PM  

LadyBelgara: msupf: LadyBelgara: Phil Moskowitz: Is it really too crass to start a gun crime network? Because Nancy Grace would anchor it perfectly.

Only if it involves attractive, white college-age females being kidnapped at gunpoint.

I've been out of the country for a few months, but it really seems like America has gone completely batshiat while I've been gone.  Am I only hearing about the insane stuff because that's all that's likely to make news here, or do people in America feel like everything's suddenly gone to hell, too?  I honestly can't tell.

it feels like the country got hit with massive amounts of derp radiation from some evil mastermind's secret weapon/plot and the weak/feeble minded are now even moreso.

If it weren't for hockey I'd say leave again and take me with you.

I'm still gone.  I was already...less than excited about returning in April.  This isn't helping.  Japan sure as hell has its problems, but having to worry about getting randomly shot up one day while driving down I-96 isn't one of them.  They finally caught that crazy fark, didn't they?  That stretch of I-96 wasn't far from my house.


yeah, they caught him. Last I heard they were arguing on where to put him on trial, and the state AG has decided this one is enough of a slam dunk that he wanted to head up the prosecution.

Fun thing is, I was on the west end of all that fun, so.... yeah. Took different routes for a while when visiting friends/family in the westland area. Grand river was slower but at least there wasn't a possibility of a rifle passing through my neck.
 
2013-01-29 11:50:54 PM  

thorthor: muck4doo: thorthor: No guess I was wrong, more important that someone misspelled "axe". PATHETIC MORONS.

There's no news on this. We can argue "ax" all we want.

Yes you can, and prove you are among the largest chunks of dickcheese I have ever encountered. Do you place such a high value on being smart assed idiots? You make me sick by not addressing the issue at hand, but arguing spelling and semantics when people have died. How do you think that helps?
It might seem "cute and snarky" to you. To me, not so much.


Glad you are addressing the issue with your post.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-29 11:51:32 PM  

Apos: Oh no......


encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-29 11:51:45 PM  

sleeps in trees: Hey, I don't mean to be rude, but can you guys just stop it. I mean just stop it. Stop hurting each other. It really makes the rest of us sad, and angry and well, frustrated.

Sit down and just stop it!


DON'T MAKE ME STOP THIS BUS!!
 
2013-01-29 11:52:06 PM  

badhatharry: Many people don't realize that there is no free will in heaven where God does not allow evil


nor in hell

mathematically we get X/infinite amount of free choice in our permitted unannounced exam period.

// might as well divide by zero

http://img.math-fail.com/images-old/divide-by-zero5.jpg
 
2013-01-29 11:52:28 PM  

syrynxx: Bathia_Mapes: Right now I'm more concerned with the young child that was taken hostage. Is he/she alive? Has he/she been harmed?

True.  I didn't mean to imply that a single child in danger is any less newsworthy that 20 or 30.


I know you didn/t
 
2013-01-29 11:53:09 PM  
He built the bunker at 2am before his court date. It is not going to last long. He is going to off himself and take the kid with him in his warped him against the world manic rage fueled ego trip.
 
2013-01-29 11:53:30 PM  
Time to ban school buses.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-01-29 11:54:23 PM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: AverageAmericanGuy: And here's your daily anti-gun story.

What's this guy's connection with the US government? Ex-marine? Ex-CIA agent?

A secret agent? cause that's what I am!

//bonus if you get the reference


You sound covert ish.
ISH?
 
2013-01-29 11:55:34 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Depending on how well stocked his bunker is and considering he has a hostage, how long could this standoff last?


unfortunately, until the child is killed and the nut commits suicide by cop. MY guess for that scenario: 2 days. He maybe taken alive, but I hate to say it, I see a low survival rate for the kid. I seriously hope I am wrong on that, but at this point even he has to know he has nothing left to lose or bargain for at this point.

I'm willing to bet he has booby-traps around the bunker or on the entryway to it when taking his mental state and probable views into consideration.
 
2013-01-29 11:56:14 PM  
muck4doo:
I didn't say he's coming for my guns. He said the argument had merit, because guns can kill a lot of people. I said matches and fuel can kill a lot of people too. I didn't say anything about Weaver taking my guns. Now you are making the stretch. Try not to hurt yourself.

no, I said crazy people with big guns can kill a LOT more people a lot more efficiently than they could if they just used melee weapons.
 
2013-01-29 11:56:20 PM  

The Southern Dandy: Time to ban school buses.


I'll bet you could find plenty of Alabamans still against busing.
 
2013-01-29 11:57:04 PM  

Weaver95: muck4doo:
I didn't say he's coming for my guns. He said the argument had merit, because guns can kill a lot of people. I said matches and fuel can kill a lot of people too. I didn't say anything about Weaver taking my guns. Now you are making the stretch. Try not to hurt yourself.

no, I said crazy people with big guns can kill a LOT more people a lot more efficiently than they could if they just used melee weapons.


And if we ban body armor they'd have fewer hit points too.
 
2013-01-29 11:57:30 PM  
If there were a CarFax for women and we could find out right away they were triple input, it would go a long way in stopping this violence.

/wish there was an app for that.
 
2013-01-29 11:58:41 PM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: He built the bunker at 2am before his court date. It is not going to last long. He is going to off himself and take the kid with him in his warped him against the world manic rage fueled ego trip.


there was nothing to imply he built it just recently. The remarks seem to reference behavior from before the brandishment of the gun that happened recently.
 
2013-01-29 11:58:48 PM  

Weaver95: muck4doo:
I didn't say he's coming for my guns. He said the argument had merit, because guns can kill a lot of people. I said matches and fuel can kill a lot of people too. I didn't say anything about Weaver taking my guns. Now you are making the stretch. Try not to hurt yourself.

no, I said crazy people with big guns can kill a LOT more people a lot more efficiently than they could if they just used melee weapons.


Yes, you did. My bad. I read more into your post than I should have. I apologize.
 
2013-01-29 11:59:44 PM  
This thread is exactly what the anti-gun agents in this administration want. On one side 2nd Amendment advocates are loosening their stance and are becoming willing to be flexible as to whom may be allowed to own guns. On the other side, gun control advocates are galvanized in their disgust for individual gun ownership.

You're all playing into this administration's hands. This has been a setup from the start.
 
2013-01-30 12:00:23 AM  

doyner: Weaver95: muck4doo:
I didn't say he's coming for my guns. He said the argument had merit, because guns can kill a lot of people. I said matches and fuel can kill a lot of people too. I didn't say anything about Weaver taking my guns. Now you are making the stretch. Try not to hurt yourself.

no, I said crazy people with big guns can kill a LOT more people a lot more efficiently than they could if they just used melee weapons.

And if we ban body armor they'd have fewer hit points too.


the idea that hey, maybe we should find a way to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people has some merit.  not that we're going to actually do anything about it 'cause the NRA has people absolutely convinced that ANY change at all means Obama is coming to take their guns.  nope, we're just gonna keep piling the bodies up far and high as we can, then tell ourselves that each and every one of those victims died to preserve the 2nd amendment from libruls and activist judges out to rewrite the bill of rights.
 
2013-01-30 12:01:20 AM  

yagottabefarkinkiddinme: He built the bunker at 2am before his court date. It is not going to last long. He is going to off himself and take the kid with him in his warped him against the world manic rage fueled ego trip.


The video I posted earlier called it a fallout shelter, which means it may have been there for years.
 
2013-01-30 12:01:20 AM  
I'm no good at trolling.  I need to stick to snarky remarks in poop threads.
 
2013-01-30 12:01:53 AM  

muck4doo: Weaver95: muck4doo:
I didn't say he's coming for my guns. He said the argument had merit, because guns can kill a lot of people. I said matches and fuel can kill a lot of people too. I didn't say anything about Weaver taking my guns. Now you are making the stretch. Try not to hurt yourself.

no, I said crazy people with big guns can kill a LOT more people a lot more efficiently than they could if they just used melee weapons.

Yes, you did. My bad. I read more into your post than I should have. I apologize.


apology accepted.
 
2013-01-30 12:02:58 AM  
I am hereby sorry for offended anyone with my comments. I guess until we know more about this situation, no intelligent points can be made. I'm out. Feel free to flame away. I hope the little girl makes it out alive. Fark on farkers.
 
2013-01-30 12:03:51 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You're all playing into this administration's hands. This has been a setup from the start.


Keep up the good work.
 
2013-01-30 12:06:12 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: Another responsible, law-abiding gun owner protecting us!


great point - where are all those ass holes that've bought up the Bushmasterbaiter AK-47wannabe's? You know, so they can protect us in our moment of need?
So they sit in a dark corner while they whip their skippy and dream of bravery and fame.
 
2013-01-30 12:06:20 AM  

TommyymmoT: 100 Watt Walrus: TommyymmoT: I can't find any live coverage of this anywhere, the news stations down there suck.
On one stations website, this event is 2 stories down, below 2 sports stories, and the last update I've seen anywhere is 3 hours old.

Maybe it's not being covered live because there's nothing new to report at the moment?

/of course, when has that ever stopped live news coverage?

One station down there did have some important breaking news though.
Jim Nabors got married.
http://www.wsfa.com/story/20805642/exclusive-actor-jim-nabors-marrie s- his-longtime-male-partner


Wait, wait, wait. Jim Nabors is still alive???? Jim Nabors is gay??? Why wasn't I told?

BTW, why didn't Fark have a thread about the boy scouts allowing gays?

Knowing about this could have prevented this.
 
2013-01-30 12:07:41 AM  
 
2013-01-30 12:08:01 AM  
average american guy

This thread is exactly what the anti-gun agents in this administration want. On one side 2nd Amendment advocates are loosening their stance and are becoming willing to be flexible as to whom may be allowed to own guns. On the other side, gun control advocates are galvanized in their disgust for individual gun ownership.

You're all playing into this administration's hands. This has been a setup from the start.

..................................................................... . ..........

AAG - my feelings about guns haven't changed much since I attended my first funeral at the age of 10 for a classmate that had been accidentally shot in the chest by his younger sister. Curious by nature, I later learned to shoot and listened. They are tools - they are not meant to be used as they are now, so often, as "personal statements"
I am not playing into ANY administration's hands for I know they come and go with regularity and at the whim of the american ppl
Neither one of the two descriptions you offered fit - stop being either/or
 
2013-01-30 12:08:35 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: He's headed down to David Koreshville.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-30 12:10:25 AM  

serial_crusher: MaudlinMutantMollusk: FTFA: James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing.

And yet he still had a gun

/why?

I'd like to say that it's because "charged" and "convicted" are different things.
But, in reality, he probably would have gotten to keep the gun even if convicted.
Or, even if he wasn't allowed to keep the gun, probably would have gotten his hands on one anyhow.


His arraignment found there was probable cause to proceed to trial on the charge of menacing with a firearm.  Confiscating his gun(s) until he was found not guilty would be a legit condition of bail. I would assume he hid some gun(s) from the cops or got one from somebody else after he was released.
 
2013-01-30 12:14:01 AM  
If Dean Chambers had unskewed the bus route he could have prevented this.
 
2013-01-30 12:14:40 AM  

parasol: average american guy

This thread is exactly what the anti-gun agents in this administration want. On one side 2nd Amendment advocates are loosening their stance and are becoming willing to be flexible as to whom may be allowed to own guns. On the other side, gun control advocates are galvanized in their disgust for individual gun ownership.

You're all playing into this administration's hands. This has been a setup from the start.

..................................................................... . ..........

AAG - my feelings about guns haven't changed much since I attended my first funeral at the age of 10 for a classmate that had been accidentally shot in the chest by his younger sister. Curious by nature, I later learned to shoot and listened. They are tools - they are not meant to be used as they are now, so often, as "personal statements"
I am not playing into ANY administration's hands for I know they come and go with regularity and at the whim of the american ppl
Neither one of the two descriptions you offered fit - stop being either/or


So you continue the anti gun narrative. Some people shouldn't have guns. Some guns shouldn't be possessed by non military citizens.

You are on a side. It is the side that wants to shrink the scope of our rights.
 
2013-01-30 12:16:25 AM  
Isn't it farked up that these kinds of events have become so commonplace that so many of us (myself included) skip right over honest concern and straight to snark/trolling/political poo flinging?

Seriously, what is the solution to this perverse desensitization?
 
2013-01-30 12:16:54 AM  
AAG -

I am not anti-gun at all - and yes, some people should not have guns - they are not the same thing
that you think this is a "side" speaks volumes
 
2013-01-30 12:17:29 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You are on a side. It is the side that wants to shrink the scope of our rights.


Says the guy that implied that Obama was the complicit in the murder of children to further an agenda.
 
2013-01-30 12:17:44 AM  

doyner: Isn't it farked up that these kinds of events have become so commonplace that so many of us (myself included) skip right over honest concern and straight to snark/trolling/political poo flinging?

Seriously, what is the solution to this perverse desensitization?


Such events are not "commonplace". Overall crime rates, including homicide, have followed a declining trend.
 
2013-01-30 12:18:59 AM  

parasol: AAG -

I am not anti-gun at all - and yes, some people should not have guns - they are not the same thing
that you think this is a "side" speaks volumes


The Bush Doctrine has been "fully" adopted by conservatives in every issue.

If you are not FULLY with us, you are FULLY against us.

Governing - now done with crayons, glitter and glue sticks.
 
2013-01-30 12:19:31 AM  

Dimensio: doyner: Isn't it farked up that these kinds of events have become so commonplace that so many of us (myself included) skip right over honest concern and straight to snark/trolling/political poo flinging?

Seriously, what is the solution to this perverse desensitization?

Such events are not "commonplace". Overall crime rates, including homicide, have followed a declining trend.


Fair enough, but the  desensitization  question remains.
 
2013-01-30 12:19:36 AM  

LadySusan: BTW, why didn't Fark have a thread about the boy scouts allowing gays?


It did. It was posted to the main page on January 28th & I posted the link up-thread in an earlier comment.
 
2013-01-30 12:20:16 AM  

doyner: AverageAmericanGuy: You are on a side. It is the side that wants to shrink the scope of our rights.

Says the guy that implied that Obama was the complicit in the murder of children to further an agenda.


I don't know if Obama himself is. But it is his policy and elements within his administration carrying out these atrocities.
 
2013-01-30 12:21:55 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: doyner: AverageAmericanGuy: You are on a side. It is the side that wants to shrink the scope of our rights.

Says the guy that implied that Obama was the complicit in the murder of children to further an agenda.

I don't know if Obama himself is. But it is his policy and elements within his administration carrying out these atrocities.


[notsureiftrollingorjuststupid.jpg]
 
2013-01-30 12:22:30 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: doyner: AverageAmericanGuy: You are on a side. It is the side that wants to shrink the scope of our rights.

Says the guy that implied that Obama was the complicit in the murder of children to further an agenda.

I don't know if Obama himself is. But it is his policy and elements within his administration carrying out these atrocities.


Christ, man. You have work to do in this thread if you believe that.
 
2013-01-30 12:23:39 AM  

Dimensio: Such events are not "commonplace". Overall crime rates, including homicide, have followed a declining trend.


Internet amplification of events makes them seem more commonplace.

The fact that all the victims are part of a declining trend must be quite consoling to their loved ones left behind... "Little Timmy's brains were splattered all over his bedroom wall by some farkwad who drove through our neighborhood at 3am firing indiscriminately into houses, but gee, we'll sleep better knowing he died on the downward side of a statistical curve"
 
2013-01-30 12:24:05 AM  

Dimensio: AverageAmericanGuy: doyner: AverageAmericanGuy: You are on a side. It is the side that wants to shrink the scope of our rights.

Says the guy that implied that Obama was the complicit in the murder of children to further an agenda.

I don't know if Obama himself is. But it is his policy and elements within his administration carrying out these atrocities.

[notsureiftrollingorjuststupid.jpg]


Gun manufacturers' declining profits would be an atrocity, the likes we've never seen.
 
2013-01-30 12:24:36 AM  

parasol: AAG -

I am not anti-gun at all - and yes, some people should not have guns - they are not the same thing
that you think this is a "side" speaks volumes


Your insistence that yours is a nuanced pro-gun view is a boon to the anti-gun lobby. It provides a soft middle to compromise when no compromise is necessary.

Your attitude and views are tools of this administration to force gun control down the throats of all Americans. That's whether you believe it to be so or not.
 
2013-01-30 12:26:04 AM  
AAG -

To expand - Some things are tools, and useful - money, condoms, lipstick, cast iron pans

In the wrong hands and with bad purpose you might run into a painted lady who would kill you with a cast iron pan because your wallet was empty of the other items.

If you are missing the trend of ill/scared people killing other people with guns then you are missing an entire chapter on this debate. What are YOU afraid of? Obama gutting the Constitution?

Guns are weapons, they are tools with a purpose. That purpose was not to kill the unsuspecting and the innocent because, well, oopps
 
2013-01-30 12:26:06 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: doyner: AverageAmericanGuy: You are on a side. It is the side that wants to shrink the scope of our rights.

Says the guy that implied that Obama was the complicit in the murder of children to further an agenda.

I don't know if Obama himself is. But it is his policy and elements within his administration carrying out these atrocities.


So, in an age where people can rarely keep the most basic of secrets you are willing to believe there is a large conspiracy enveloping probably hundreds if not thousands of people willingly allowing/endorsing/committing the murder of children simply to further an agenda against gun ownership rights? An agenda whose steps so far have done little to actually infringe on said rights?

Does that about cover it?
 
2013-01-30 12:26:22 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: yagottabefarkinkiddinme: He built the bunker at 2am before his court date. It is not going to last long. He is going to off himself and take the kid with him in his warped him against the world manic rage fueled ego trip.

The video I posted earlier called it a fallout shelter, which means it may have been there for years.




I'm on a 1st gen iPad, so I haven't watched the video yet, but there are a lot of quick and easy fallout shelter plans out there. Meanwhile, I hope they save the little girl and the SWAT team makes hamburger out of the shooter.

If you use a gun to commit a crime, there should be an automatic death penalty attached, whether or not anybody has been harmed. It's about time that us non-gun crazies become as merciless as the gun crazies.
 
2013-01-30 12:27:11 AM  

doyner: AverageAmericanGuy: doyner: AverageAmericanGuy: You are on a side. It is the side that wants to shrink the scope of our rights.

Says the guy that implied that Obama was the complicit in the murder of children to further an agenda.

I don't know if Obama himself is. But it is his policy and elements within his administration carrying out these atrocities.

Christ, man. You have work to do in this thread if you believe that.


LOL! I'm not wading into that pool if derp.
 
2013-01-30 12:27:34 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: parasol: AAG -

I am not anti-gun at all - and yes, some people should not have guns - they are not the same thing
that you think this is a "side" speaks volumes

Your insistence that yours is a nuanced pro-gun view is a boon to the anti-gun lobby. It provides a soft middle to compromise when no compromise is necessary.

Your attitude and views are tools of this administration to force gun control down the throats of all Americans. That's whether you believe it to be so or not.


So gun control down our throats is the atrocity of which you speak? You should man-up and go full Lovelace or get your atrocity meter recalibrated.
 
2013-01-30 12:28:12 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: doyner: AverageAmericanGuy: doyner: AverageAmericanGuy: You are on a side. It is the side that wants to shrink the scope of our rights.

Says the guy that implied that Obama was the complicit in the murder of children to further an agenda.

I don't know if Obama himself is. But it is his policy and elements within his administration carrying out these atrocities.

Christ, man. You have work to do in this thread if you believe that.

LOL! I'm not wading into that pool if derp.


Yeah, you need a deep end.
 
2013-01-30 12:30:24 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: serial_crusher: MaudlinMutantMollusk: FTFA: James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing.

And yet he still had a gun

/why?

I'd like to say that it's because "charged" and "convicted" are different things.
But, in reality, he probably would have gotten to keep the gun even if convicted.
Or, even if he wasn't allowed to keep the gun, probably would have gotten his hands on one anyhow.

His arraignment found there was probable cause to proceed to trial on the charge of menacing with a firearm.  Confiscating his gun(s) until he was found not guilty would be a legit condition of bail. I would assume he hid some gun(s) from the cops or got one from somebody else after he was released.


I'm surprised they didn't confiscate the weapon as evidence, or did he use another one?

CSB time:

About 15 years ago a friend and I went out partying. He drove us both to the party in his 80's model RX-7. He told he went and tried to pawn a cheap ass gun(think it was a Jennings or something like that) earlier that day, but they didn't want it. He had the magazines in the glove compartment, and the pistol itself in the wheel well. He had no ammunition in the car. CA law says magazines and gun must be separated with the gun in the trunk(this happened in San Jose). He was too drunk to drive, and asked if I could drive him home in his car, so I did, but did a rolling stop at a stop sign. Got pulled over, the cop could smell a booze smell coming from the car, and asked me to step out for a breathalyzer. I passed, but while the cop was doing it told me they wanted to search the car, and if there were any guns inside. Like an idiot I didn't tell him no to the search, and told him there was a gun in the car, but no ammunition. Within minutes SJPD helicopter was circling around us with the bright light, and had their guns pulled on my friend as they made him back up out of the car. They found the gun, magazines, and no ammunition. Then they gave me a ticket(responsibilty goes to the driver even though it wasn't my car) to go to court for concealed weapon since the gun was not technically in a trunk. An RX-7 has no trunk. They took the gun as evidence. At court the judge gave me a slight slap on the wrist as long as I agreed to let them destroy the cheap ass Jennings. I agreed. My friend was mad at first that I told them they could go ahead and destroy his cheap ass gun, but he got over it. He shouldn't have been to drunk to drive in the 1st place.

//End CSB time
///The point is, the cops hold guns as evidence
 
2013-01-30 12:33:04 AM  

Theaetetus: The man who is believed to be holed up in the Midland City hostage situation following a shooting on a school bus is Jimmy Lee Dykes, 65, who was scheduled to be in court Wednesday for a bench trial on a menacing charge. Dykes, holding a gun on a 6 year old and wiping bus driver blood from his hair, insists that he's innocent of all charges.


Well then!  I'm convinced.
 
2013-01-30 12:33:23 AM  

spartywrx: solution to a school bus hijacking:

[images.starpulse.com image 470x315]


Agrees:

www.startrek.com
 
2013-01-30 12:35:22 AM  

coeyagi: AverageAmericanGuy: parasol: AAG -

I am not anti-gun at all - and yes, some people should not have guns - they are not the same thing
that you think this is a "side" speaks volumes

Your insistence that yours is a nuanced pro-gun view is a boon to the anti-gun lobby. It provides a soft middle to compromise when no compromise is necessary.

Your attitude and views are tools of this administration to force gun control down the throats of all Americans. That's whether you believe it to be so or not.

So gun control down our throats is the atrocity of which you speak? You should man-up and go full Lovelace or get your atrocity meter recalibrated.


The atrocities are the daily shootings they've been committing for the last few months. Highly visible, highly relatable, highly emotionally charged incidents. The messaging has been constant and on-point. Guns are bad. Guns are in the hands of crazies, racists, the unstable, and your neighbors.

You don't have to be Kreskin to figure out who has the power and resources to foment this PR campaign.
 
2013-01-30 12:35:34 AM  

gilgigamesh: Well then!  I'm convinced.


It IS bus driver blood... More damning would have been pilot blood, or Waffle House griddle cook blood.  Those are professions, dammit!  Bus driver blood is like used motor oil.. You don't feel bad about pouring it in a ditch behind your garage when nobody's looking.
 
2013-01-30 12:36:26 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You don't have to be Kreskin to figure out who has the power and resources to foment this PR campaign.


AIPAC?
 
2013-01-30 12:36:56 AM  
these people will do anything to get the 2nd amendment removed completely from the constitution. fear the government people, they care nothing for you and will even kill children your to get their agenda passed, and the common idiot will let them do it.
 
2013-01-30 12:37:24 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: So you continue the anti gun narrative. Some people shouldn't have guns. Some guns shouldn't be possessed by non military citizens.

You are on a side. It is the side that wants to shrink the scope of our rights.



I agree completely, we must not let this tyranny stand. I say we should start pushing congress to allow gun dealers to sell full-auto assault rifles and grenade launchers within prisons and mental hospitals. Anything else is a violation of their rights, isn't it?

/Still holding out for an A-10 Warthog
//It's not a plane, it's a gun with wings and engines, so it's obvously protected by the second amendment
 
2013-01-30 12:37:34 AM  
AAG

The atrocities are the daily shootings they've been committing for the last few months. Highly visible, highly relatable, highly emotionally charged incidents. The messaging has been constant and on-point. Guns are bad. Guns are in the hands of crazies, racists, the unstable, and your neighbors.

You don't have to be Kreskin to figure out who has the power and resources to foment this PR campaign.
.........................................

Let me guess - was it Jim Brady of the Reagan administration?
 
2013-01-30 12:37:39 AM  
I must applaud both sides for using this thread to bring up brand new arguments that I've never seen expressed on fark ever before. Ever. You have convinced me that each and every one of you is absolutely correct. So you don't have to post these same arguments or even slightly reworked versions of them ever again. whew.
 
2013-01-30 12:37:44 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: coeyagi: AverageAmericanGuy: parasol: AAG -

I am not anti-gun at all - and yes, some people should not have guns - they are not the same thing
that you think this is a "side" speaks volumes

Your insistence that yours is a nuanced pro-gun view is a boon to the anti-gun lobby. It provides a soft middle to compromise when no compromise is necessary.

Your attitude and views are tools of this administration to force gun control down the throats of all Americans. That's whether you believe it to be so or not.

So gun control down our throats is the atrocity of which you speak? You should man-up and go full Lovelace or get your atrocity meter recalibrated.

The atrocities are the daily shootings they've been committing for the last few months. Highly visible, highly relatable, highly emotionally charged incidents. The messaging has been constant and on-point. Guns are bad. Guns are in the hands of crazies, racists, the unstable, and your neighbors.

You don't have to be Kreskin to figure out who has the power and resources to foment this PR campaign.


Let me guess. 5 letters. Palindromic name. Greek. Media mogul.

You win +1 chalkboards and the username Tinfoil8572 on TheBlaze.com.
 
2013-01-30 12:38:54 AM  

jmsvrsn: I must applaud both sides for using this thread to bring up brand new arguments that I've never seen expressed on fark ever before. Ever. You have convinced me that each and every one of you is absolutely correct. So you don't have to post these same arguments or even slightly reworked versions of them ever again. whew.


Apathy and disenfranchisement are absolute novelties too.
 
2013-01-30 12:44:16 AM  

ursomniac: I'm sure it's another false-flag operation, the child is an actor, etc.


Bontesla: Rest assured. The hostage taker has told police that he isn't going to harm the hostage.


www.fourwinds10.net

Really? That's what we're going with, here?
 
2013-01-30 12:44:32 AM  
People are for gun control because they havent thought it through. Gun control doesnt mean removing guns from the population, it just means concentrating the guns in the hands of one group.

Remember what the BBC says......dont shout 'help', shout 'call the police' when you are attacked. Then wait patiently.

Because if someone helps you then the criminal might get hurt and we cant have that.
 
2013-01-30 12:46:50 AM  

Coelacanth: If you use a gun to commit a crime, there should be an automatic death penalty attached, whether or not anybody has been harmed. It's about time that us non-gun crazies become as merciless as the gun crazies.


I get the sentiment my non-extinct chum, but I don't think that becoming as bad as your enemy is the best way to 'win'.
 
2013-01-30 12:48:01 AM  

way south: mediablitz: way south: "Alabama school bus driver shot pushed out of window, six-year-old child taken hostage"

There, I fixed it so the gun ban crowd can feel better about the headline.

That afraid to address America's violent gun culture, are ya? Even DISCUSSING it means "ban guns".

How very enlightened of you!

We should be discussing an ongoing standoff, for starters. The gun culture is not what is causing violence in America.
Secondly, you missed the reference.

/Thats ok, FARK is a younger crowd and it was vague.


I'm 50. How farking old ARE you?

/don't live for memes or "references". sorry
 
2013-01-30 12:50:33 AM  

archichris: People are for gun control because they havent thought it through. Gun control doesnt mean removing guns from the population, it just means concentrating the guns in the hands of one group.

Remember what the BBC says......dont shout 'help', shout 'call the police' when you are attacked. Then wait patiently.

Because if someone helps you then the criminal might get hurt and we cant have that.


Thanks for addressing the problem. One side may not have the solution, but they are at least discussing it.

That being said, dear patriot, I will think of your need for unregulated unrestricted rights during my next bowel movement.
 
2013-01-30 12:52:08 AM  

PanicMan: Lenny_da_Hog: When did Alabama get schools?

In 8th grade my gym coach was also my science teacher. We still had to call him "Coach". Or Sir.


imageshack.us

"Shiat, I shoulda taught this class"
 
2013-01-30 12:53:09 AM  
muck4doo:
CSB time:

About 15 years ago a friend and I went out partying. He drove us both to the party in his 80's model RX-7. He told he went and tried to pawn a cheap ass gun(think it was a Jennings or something like that) earlier that day, but they didn't want it. He had the magazines in the glove compartment, and the pistol itself in the wheel well. He had no ammunition in the car. CA law says magazines and gun must be separated with the gun in the trunk(this happened in San Jose). He was too drunk to drive, and asked if I could drive him home in his car, so I did, but did a rolling stop at a stop sign. Got pulled over, the cop could smell a booze smell coming from the car, and asked me to step out for a breathalyzer. I passed, but while the cop was doing it told me they wanted to search the car, and if there were any guns inside. Like an idiot I didn't tell him no to the search, and told him there was a gun in th ...

You probably could have met the letter of the law by locking it in the bins behind the seat. Or even better, lift one of the bins out of the package tray, stuf the gun in the bottom and then put the bin back. No one would have found it there. Of course, they also had a tendency to rust massive holes in bins, so it might have fallen out.

/RX7 owner
//my 6TH RX7
 
2013-01-30 12:54:43 AM  
Aren't all you Passionate Defenders supposed to be out rising up against your oppressors in support of your Brother-In Arms?
 
2013-01-30 12:54:47 AM  
I live out here in Alabamaland, north of Dothan. I am not surprised this happened, nor that the individual in question has a bunker and is nuttier than squirrel shiat. This state is just full of these guys, and it really ruins what is otherwise not a bad place to live. It's not great, but its got perks that I enjoy. The internet speeds out here suck, but you can get land for not very much; my nearest neighbor lives about a half a mile away. That's a good and a bad thing, too. We finally went wet this last election (yay).

But since I live in the middle of nowhereville, the local "hot spot" is a gas station (with really good gas prices) that is also a semi-restaurant. It's a good place to see the locals out here, and some of the stuff they talk about makes this situation plausible. There's a few folks who've made comments of the 'kill all the ragheads!' sort during conversation with me and the cashier. The day after this last election, one of the guys was hunkered down at a table with a bunch of his friends.

They were talking about how now that Obama's been re-elected, he's gonna finally unleash his full agenda on America. The UN's Black Helicopters would be out here in a few weeks, going around to take everyone's guns, killing everyone who resisted. Conservatives to the FEMA camps, and all that sort of stuff. All these guys were nodding and agreeing, having heard it themselves on their shortwave radios and the internet. This was, for them, the very real impending death of America and it was time to get ready to fight back.

I've seen comments upthread about "They let him keep his guns?!" after the arrest over the guy supposedly turning in his driveway. Unless they seized them while he was in jail, that would've ended badly. Heck, if he came home from jail to find his arsenal gone, I assure you the kinds of people out here who build bunkers (being more paranoid than those guys at the gas station) would probably call up their buddies to form a posse loaded for bear and do something very bad trying to get his guns back. But if they came after he'd gotten out? These guys are itching to be the next "patriot" to "water the tree of liberty". They've spent a lot of time waiting for the "New World Order" to come try to take their guns so they can be a martyr for freedom and the symbol for some revolution or race war or whatever their brand of crazy deems the next step in resisting the powers that be.

Once I'm done with college (I commute into Georgia for that), I am out of here as fast as possible. It's been a great place to enjoy the open air, but I just don't belong here.
 
2013-01-30 12:55:35 AM  

archichris: People are for gun control because they havent thought it through. Gun control doesnt mean removing guns from the population, it just means concentrating the guns in the hands of one group.

Remember what the BBC says......dont shout 'help', shout 'call the police' when you are attacked. Then wait patiently.

Because if someone helps you then the criminal might get hurt and we cant have that.


hooray for shiatty logic!

Maybe people are for gun control because, you know, it actually FARKING WORKS in other developed/first world countries. Why the fark can't we take a rational look at the rest of the world and figure out what works and why, then adapt it to our laws and society? Shiat, I've had many people I know who are gun right nuts try to tout ownership percentages of other countries, sweden keeps popping up because of the high percentage of ownership overall, but also among women. Problem is, once I start suggesting we adopt laws that directly mirror those used in sweden, they go apeshiat about how its some librul agenda. They don't even know the farking laws of the places they like to reference to support their arguments.
 
2013-01-30 12:58:58 AM  
I see many of us lean toward requiring a clean bill of mental health before one can own a gun as a good idea. Should such a legal requirement be passed, I foresee the NRA publishing a list of "NRA-Certified Psychiatric Evaluation Specialists" in less than very few fragments of a second.
 
2013-01-30 01:00:54 AM  

WordyGrrl: I see many of us lean toward requiring a clean bill of mental health before one can own a gun as a good idea. Should such a legal requirement be passed, I foresee the NRA publishing a list of "NRA-Certified Psychiatric Evaluation Specialists" in less than very few fragments of a second.


This would be an easy list to compile. They're called "State's Witnesses".
 
2013-01-30 01:01:40 AM  

Brainsick: Coelacanth: If you use a gun to commit a crime, there should be an automatic death penalty attached, whether or not anybody has been harmed. It's about time that us non-gun crazies become as merciless as the gun crazies.

I get the sentiment my non-extinct chum, but I don't think that becoming as bad as your enemy is the best way to 'win'.




It's not like we haven't tried other means to curb the violence. We've been as sweet as pie to these people and all they do is barf on our shoes and murdered or children by the baker's dozen.
 
2013-01-30 01:04:39 AM  
Yet another Nutty Raving Asshole with a gun. Unfortunately, we'll probably hear about more of them before the week's over.
 
2013-01-30 01:06:35 AM  

Lorelle: Yet another Nutty Raving Asshole with a gun. Unfortunately, we'll probably hear about more of them before the week's over.


Probably every day, in fact.

Hey, the comment box became the cool formatted text one!
 
2013-01-30 01:09:54 AM  

WordyGrrl: I see many of us lean toward requiring a clean bill of mental health before one can own a gun as a good idea. Should such a legal requirement be passed, I foresee the NRA publishing a list of "NRA-Certified Psychiatric Evaluation Specialists" in less than very few fragments of a second.


Or simply an upswing in black market gun sales.
 
2013-01-30 01:10:46 AM  

Nem Wan: Came for Dirty Harry.

BTW, the bad guy in the movie didn't shoot the bus driver, just knocked her out. Blame violent entertainment all you want but I can't think of any movies or games as bad as what real-life psychos are doing these days.


Well, he may not have killed the driver, but when he was with the Obsidian Order, he did a lot worse.
 
2013-01-30 01:12:49 AM  

DougTaupe: muck4doo:
CSB time:

About 15 years ago a friend and I went out partying. He drove us both to the party in his 80's model RX-7. He told he went and tried to pawn a cheap ass gun(think it was a Jennings or something like that) earlier that day, but they didn't want it. He had the magazines in the glove compartment, and the pistol itself in the wheel well. He had no ammunition in the car. CA law says magazines and gun must be separated with the gun in the trunk(this happened in San Jose). He was too drunk to drive, and asked if I could drive him home in his car, so I did, but did a rolling stop at a stop sign. Got pulled over, the cop could smell a booze smell coming from the car, and asked me to step out for a breathalyzer. I passed, but while the cop was doing it told me they wanted to search the car, and if there were any guns inside. Like an idiot I didn't tell him no to the search, and told him there was a gun in th ...

You probably could have met the letter of the law by locking it in the bins behind the seat. Or even better, lift one of the bins out of the package tray, stuf the gun in the bottom and then put the bin back. No one would have found it there. Of course, they also had a tendency to rust massive holes in bins, so it might have fallen out.

/RX7 owner
//my 6TH RX7


It wasn't my car, or my gun, so i didn't do the placing. I had an RX-7 years before that in the early 90's(think that was why my friend got one. I later traded it in for a 5.0). I never tried to remove the bins from the bin trays. That looks like it could have been some work. The whole problem was i should have never admitted to a gun in the car, and told them fark no as soon as they said they were going to search it. I should have told them to ask my friend as it was his car.
 
2013-01-30 01:12:56 AM  
NOW I believe I have the right Jimmy Dykes!

d3k2oh6evki4b7.cloudfront.net

Third base, Philadelphia Athletics (1918-32), Chicago White Sox (1932-39). Fun fact: led American League in getting hit by pitches three times.
 
2013-01-30 01:13:08 AM  

Head_Shot: WordyGrrl: I see many of us lean toward requiring a clean bill of mental health before one can own a gun as a good idea. Should such a legal requirement be passed, I foresee the NRA publishing a list of "NRA-Certified Psychiatric Evaluation Specialists" in less than very few fragments of a second.

Or simply an upswing in black market gun sales.


Or more simply still, an upswing of very quick cases to the Supreme Court, who would rule that, just like putting qualifiers on Voting in the South with competency testing, that requiring medical testing before being able to exercise an enumerated right explicitly retained by the People is unconstitutional.
 
2013-01-30 01:14:40 AM  

syrynxx: thorthor: So many clever assholes. This is fark. Are you proud?

Not that I've tried to be hyper-snarky, but I'm somewhat inured at this point.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning currently holed up there with a hostage.  I don't care if he has a gun or a morning star or a set of Ginsu steak knives.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning. That's all this thread should be about.


I feel like this should be repeated, ad nauseum.
 
2013-01-30 01:16:34 AM  

Clutch2013: syrynxx: thorthor: So many clever assholes. This is fark. Are you proud?

Not that I've tried to be hyper-snarky, but I'm somewhat inured at this point.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning currently holed up there with a hostage.  I don't care if he has a gun or a morning star or a set of Ginsu steak knives.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning. That's all this thread should be about.

I feel like this should be repeated, ad nauseum.


So, ban bunkers? Shovels? I need non-amendment solutions, people!
 
2013-01-30 01:17:29 AM  

Coelacanth: Brainsick: Coelacanth: If you use a gun to commit a crime, there should be an automatic death penalty attached, whether or not anybody has been harmed. It's about time that us non-gun crazies become as merciless as the gun crazies.

I get the sentiment my non-extinct chum, but I don't think that becoming as bad as your enemy is the best way to 'win'.


It's not like we haven't tried other means to curb the violence. We've been as sweet as pie to these people and all they do is barf on our shoes and murdered or children by the baker's dozen.



Project Exile has been proven to reduce gun violence. When a similar option was proposed in New York, the Democrats rejected it...

It seems to me that the gun-grabbers are deliberately avoiding anything that might work, just so they can keep yelling that the only solution left is to ban everything but pea-shooters.
 
2013-01-30 01:17:30 AM  

coeyagi: Clutch2013: syrynxx: thorthor: So many clever assholes. This is fark. Are you proud?

Not that I've tried to be hyper-snarky, but I'm somewhat inured at this point.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning currently holed up there with a hostage.  I don't care if he has a gun or a morning star or a set of Ginsu steak knives.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning. That's all this thread should be about.

I feel like this should be repeated, ad nauseum.

So, ban bunkers? Shovels? I need non-amendment solutions, people!


We could ban back yards.
 
2013-01-30 01:17:36 AM  

DougTaupe: You probably could have met the letter of the law by locking it in the bins behind the seat. Or even better, lift one of the bins out of the package tray, stuf the gun in the bottom and then put the bin back. No one would have found it there. Of course, they also had a tendency to rust massive holes in bins, so it might have fallen out.

/RX7 owner
//my 6TH RX7



By the way, the way the cops were talking it wouldn't have met the letter of the law. They said it needs to be in a trunk. The wheel well wasn't even good enough. One of the cops told me it looked like my friend was trying to do that, but wheel well isn't what the law says. "Spirit" didn't count. Also think that's why the judge didn't make much of it other than he wanted to destroy that cheap ass handgun.
 
2013-01-30 01:20:24 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: coeyagi: Clutch2013: syrynxx: thorthor: So many clever assholes. This is fark. Are you proud?

Not that I've tried to be hyper-snarky, but I'm somewhat inured at this point.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning currently holed up there with a hostage.  I don't care if he has a gun or a morning star or a set of Ginsu steak knives.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning. That's all this thread should be about.

I feel like this should be repeated, ad nauseum.

So, ban bunkers? Shovels? I need non-amendment solutions, people!

We could ban back yards.


But then only criminals will have back yards! Quick AAG, tell your friends to start making anti-yard control infographics for Facebook... before it's too late!
 
2013-01-30 01:22:02 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: You don't have to be Kreskin to figure out who has the power and resources to foment this PR campaign.


Crazy assholes with access to guns?
 
2013-01-30 01:23:21 AM  

Coelacanth: Brainsick: Coelacanth: If you use a gun to commit a crime, there should be an automatic death penalty attached, whether or not anybody has been harmed. It's about time that us non-gun crazies become as merciless as the gun crazies.

I get the sentiment my non-extinct chum, but I don't think that becoming as bad as your enemy is the best way to 'win'.

It's not like we haven't tried other means to curb the violence. We've been as sweet as pie to these people and all they do is barf on our shoes and murdered or children by the baker's dozen.


Have you tried the legal way? You know, repealing the Second Amendment? I don't remember anyone trying that yet. Or maybe you could pass an Amendment limiting free speech in the media, in order to curb all the violent and competitive TV content from programs and advertisers, if that's where you think violence comes from.

You can't legislate away rights. You can't violate the constitution with cruel or inhumane punishments for non-capital crimes. You have to change the Constitution, and I haven't seen anyone even trying to do that yet.
 
2013-01-30 01:25:14 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Coelacanth: Brainsick: Coelacanth: If you use a gun to commit a crime, there should be an automatic death penalty attached, whether or not anybody has been harmed. It's about time that us non-gun crazies become as merciless as the gun crazies.

I get the sentiment my non-extinct chum, but I don't think that becoming as bad as your enemy is the best way to 'win'.

It's not like we haven't tried other means to curb the violence. We've been as sweet as pie to these people and all they do is barf on our shoes and murdered or children by the baker's dozen.

Have you tried the legal way? You know, repealing the Second Amendment? I don't remember anyone trying that yet. Or maybe you could pass an Amendment limiting free speech in the media, in order to curb all the violent and competitive TV content from programs and advertisers, if that's where you think violence comes from.

You can't legislate away rights. You can't violate the constitution with cruel or inhumane punishments for non-capital crimes. You have to change the Constitution, and I haven't seen anyone even trying to do that yet.


Was the original assault weapons ban ever challenged in court?
 
2013-01-30 01:26:35 AM  

DoctorCal: [www.wired.com image 660x415]


Awesome pic
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2013-01-30 01:29:01 AM  
This outrage outrages my outrage! The bad people don't, no, the good people don't criticize; hte bad people took the strawberries. That's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with geometric logic that a duplicate key
 
2013-01-30 01:30:07 AM  

coeyagi: AverageAmericanGuy: coeyagi: Clutch2013: syrynxx: thorthor: So many clever assholes. This is fark. Are you proud?

Not that I've tried to be hyper-snarky, but I'm somewhat inured at this point.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning currently holed up there with a hostage.  I don't care if he has a gun or a morning star or a set of Ginsu steak knives.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning. That's all this thread should be about.

I feel like this should be repeated, ad nauseum.

So, ban bunkers? Shovels? I need non-amendment solutions, people!

We could ban back yards.

But then only criminals will have back yards! Quick AAG, tell your friends to start making anti-yard control infographics for Facebook... before it's too late!


You'll take our lives! But you'll never take our bird FEEDERS!

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2013-01-30 01:30:41 AM  

Wangiss: Someone needs to make this illegal, and FAST.


Let's have a march...and while we're at it, a concert.
 
2013-01-30 01:31:46 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lenny_da_Hog: Coelacanth: Brainsick: Coelacanth: If you use a gun to commit a crime, there should be an automatic death penalty attached, whether or not anybody has been harmed. It's about time that us non-gun crazies become as merciless as the gun crazies.

I get the sentiment my non-extinct chum, but I don't think that becoming as bad as your enemy is the best way to 'win'.

It's not like we haven't tried other means to curb the violence. We've been as sweet as pie to these people and all they do is barf on our shoes and murdered or children by the baker's dozen.

Have you tried the legal way? You know, repealing the Second Amendment? I don't remember anyone trying that yet. Or maybe you could pass an Amendment limiting free speech in the media, in order to curb all the violent and competitive TV content from programs and advertisers, if that's where you think violence comes from.

You can't legislate away rights. You can't violate the constitution with cruel or inhumane punishments for non-capital crimes. You have to change the Constitution, and I haven't seen anyone even trying to do that yet.

Was the original assault weapons ban ever challenged in court?


Yes -- I don't think it made it to the SCOTUS, but was found constitutional at the appeals level.

That's a case of defining what "arms" means. That's still a ping-pong between Congress and the SCOTUS -- all that's within the legislature's power.
 
2013-01-30 01:32:20 AM  

coeyagi: Clutch2013: syrynxx: thorthor: So many clever assholes. This is fark. Are you proud?

Not that I've tried to be hyper-snarky, but I'm somewhat inured at this point.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning currently holed up there with a hostage.  I don't care if he has a gun or a morning star or a set of Ginsu steak knives.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning. That's all this thread should be about.

I feel like this should be repeated, ad nauseum.

So, ban bunkers? Shovels? I need non-amendment solutions, people!


Normally, in the case of news-flashes like this, I can count on you guys to do what I couldn't, and get maybe multiple sources and good information on just what the news flash is about.

In this case...well, we didn't even make it past the Boobies before the pro-gun/anti-gun circle jerk got started. And y'all are going at it fierce, like there's a Costco-sized tub of KY that needs to disappear before sunrise.
 
2013-01-30 01:35:21 AM  

Clutch2013: coeyagi: Clutch2013: syrynxx: thorthor: So many clever assholes. This is fark. Are you proud?

Not that I've tried to be hyper-snarky, but I'm somewhat inured at this point.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning currently holed up there with a hostage.  I don't care if he has a gun or a morning star or a set of Ginsu steak knives.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning. That's all this thread should be about.

I feel like this should be repeated, ad nauseum.

So, ban bunkers? Shovels? I need non-amendment solutions, people!

Normally, in the case of news-flashes like this, I can count on you guys to do what I couldn't, and get maybe multiple sources and good information on just what the news flash is about.

In this case...well, we didn't even make it past the Boobies before the pro-gun/anti-gun circle jerk got started. And y'all are going at it fierce, like there's a Costco-sized tub of KY that needs to disappear before sunrise.


Thanks for not pointing out that I was doing exactly what you're doing but with less words and a device I like to call "satire".
 
2013-01-30 01:35:46 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Coelacanth: Brainsick: Coelacanth: If you use a gun to commit a crime, there should be an automatic death penalty attached, whether or not anybody has been harmed. It's about time that us non-gun crazies become as merciless as the gun crazies.

I get the sentiment my non-extinct chum, but I don't think that becoming as bad as your enemy is the best way to 'win'.

It's not like we haven't tried other means to curb the violence. We've been as sweet as pie to these people and all they do is barf on our shoes and murdered or children by the baker's dozen.

Have you tried the legal way? You know, repealing the Second Amendment? I don't remember anyone trying that yet. Or maybe you could pass an Amendment limiting free speech in the media, in order to curb all the violent and competitive TV content from programs and advertisers, if that's where you think violence comes from.

You can't legislate away rights. You can't violate the constitution with cruel or inhumane punishments for non-capital crimes. You have to change the Constitution, and I haven't seen anyone even trying to do that yet.


Like Patriot Act I or Patriot Act II?
 
2013-01-30 01:38:06 AM  

PapaChester: MaudlinMutantMollusk: FTFA: James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing.

And yet he still had a gun

/why?

WTF? Second amendment that's why! It's the kid fault. If the six year old's second amendment rights weren't being trampled on by Obama himself, then she would no doubt have been packing, but it was nonetheless her duty as an American to have had that gun so she could prepare for the tyrannical federal government.. And she didn't.

/assumed it's a she. poor little girl.


Or because someone is charged, their guilty right?
 
2013-01-30 01:40:10 AM  
old solution: Outfit RV with judge, jury, gallows, hold fair trial on the scene , hang the guilty bastard. Alleged? Bullshiat.
 
2013-01-30 01:48:26 AM  

coeyagi: In this case...well, we didn't even make it past the Boobies before the pro-gun/anti-gun circle jerk got started. And y'all are going at it fierce, like there's a Costco-sized tub of KY that needs to disappear before sunrise.

Thanks for not pointing out that I was doing exactly what you're doing but with less words and a device I like to call "satire".


The state or the jelly?
 
2013-01-30 01:52:28 AM  
Old man... Vietnam vet... seen digging out in yard at 2:30am...  has a history of threatening violence... is allowed on a bus where he wants to borrow 2 kids.... kills the bus driver and steals a kid... then escapes to his hidden, homemade bunker.


Oh yeah, it's definitely the gun that caused all this.  Damn guns!
 
2013-01-30 02:00:07 AM  

Lenny_da_Hog: Coelacanth: Brainsick: Coelacanth: If you use a gun to commit a crime, there should be an automatic death penalty attached, whether or not anybody has been harmed. It's about time that us non-gun crazies become as merciless as the gun crazies.

I get the sentiment my non-extinct chum, but I don't think that becoming as bad as your enemy is the best way to 'win'.

It's not like we haven't tried other means to curb the violence. We've been as sweet as pie to these people and all they do is barf on our shoes and murdered or children by the baker's dozen.

Have you tried the legal way? You know, repealing the Second Amendment? I don't remember anyone trying that yet. Or maybe you could pass an Amendment limiting free speech in the media, in order to curb all the violent and competitive TV content from programs and advertisers, if that's where you think violence comes from.

You can't legislate away rights. You can't violate the constitution with cruel or inhumane punishments for non-capital crimes. You have to change the Constitution, and I haven't seen anyone even trying to do that yet.




Do you try to justify Trayon Martin's execution and "stand your ground" with that mouth?
 
2013-01-30 02:03:56 AM  

WordyGrrl: I see many of us lean toward requiring a clean bill of mental health before one can own a gun as a good idea. Should such a legal requirement be passed, I foresee the NRA publishing a list of "NRA-Certified Psychiatric Evaluation Specialists" in less than very few fragments of a second.


On one side I see that. On the other I see state certified docs who refuse even the most seemingly sane person in fear of letting a crazy person get through. How do we, or do we at all hold the evaluators responsible?
 
2013-01-30 02:06:14 AM  

tukatz: Old man... Vietnam vet... seen digging out in yard at 2:30am...  has a history of threatening violence... is allowed on a bus where he wants to borrow 2 kids.... kills the bus driver and steals a kid... then escapes to his hidden, homemade bunker.


Oh yeah, it's definitely the gun that caused all this.  Damn guns!


Without the gun he wouldn't have been able to kill the driver and kidnap the child; he would have been just another crazy old man standing on a street corner yelling at a cloud. So, yeah, it is the gun's fault.
 
2013-01-30 02:07:28 AM  

Coelacanth: Do you try to justify Trayon Martin's execution and "stand your ground" with that mouth?


Oh, wait! I know the straw-man game!

♫ Straw-man, Straw-man, dancey dancey dancey dancey♪
♪ Straw-man, Straw-man, dancey all the day!♫
 
2013-01-30 02:19:33 AM  

doyner: Isn't it farked up that these kinds of events have become so commonplace that so many of us (myself included) skip right over honest concern and straight to snark/trolling/political poo flinging?

Seriously, what is the solution to this perverse desensitization?


Regrow your foreskin.
 
2013-01-30 02:19:52 AM  

tukatz: Old man... Vietnam vet... seen digging out in yard at 2:30am...  has a history of threatening violence... is allowed on a bus where he wants to borrow 2 kids.... kills the bus driver and steals a kid... then escapes to his hidden, homemade bunker.


Oh yeah, it's definitely the gun that caused all this.  Damn guns!


Do you know where I can buy strawmen wholesale?
 
2013-01-30 02:20:19 AM  

mofa: This outrage outrages my outrage! The bad people don't, no, the good people don't criticize; hte bad people took the strawberries. That's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with geometric logic that a duplicate key


what is this i don't even
 
2013-01-30 02:23:23 AM  

tukatz: Old man... Vietnam vet... seen digging out in yard at 2:30am...  has a history of threatening violence... is allowed on a bus where he wants to borrow 2 kids.... kills the bus driver and steals a kid... then escapes to his hidden, homemade bunker.


Oh yeah, it's definitely the gun that caused all this.  Damn guns!


Well, the gun is the reason the bus driver is dead.
 
2013-01-30 02:26:59 AM  

Abacus9: mofa: This outrage outrages my outrage! The bad people don't, no, the good people don't criticize; hte bad people took the strawberries. That's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with geometric logic that a duplicate key

what is this i don't even


He's channeling Old Yellow-stain.
 
2013-01-30 02:28:44 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Abacus9: mofa: This outrage outrages my outrage! The bad people don't, no, the good people don't criticize; hte bad people took the strawberries. That's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with geometric logic that a duplicate key

what is this i don't even

He's channeling Old Yellow-stain.


I kid you not.
 
2013-01-30 02:29:49 AM  

Abacus9: tukatz: Old man... Vietnam vet... seen digging out in yard at 2:30am...  has a history of threatening violence... is allowed on a bus where he wants to borrow 2 kids.... kills the bus driver and steals a kid... then escapes to his hidden, homemade bunker.


Oh yeah, it's definitely the gun that caused all this.  Damn guns!

Well, the gun is the reason the bus driver is dead.


We have an all-volunteer bus fleet. Can't mourn the dead if they aren't drafted.
 
2013-01-30 02:30:06 AM  

doyner: Dimensio: doyner: Isn't it farked up that these kinds of events have become so commonplace that so many of us (myself included) skip right over honest concern and straight to snark/trolling/political poo flinging?

Seriously, what is the solution to this perverse desensitization?

Such events are not "commonplace". Overall crime rates, including homicide, have followed a declining trend.

Fair enough, but the  desensitization  question remains.


NOT fair enough. We're not talking about the overall crime rate; we're talking about heinous examples of gun violence.  Also, anything can be commonplace even while its rate of occurrence is declining; newspapers, for instance.

Solution for perverse desensitization is still foreskin rejuvenation.
 
2013-01-30 02:31:48 AM  

syrynxx: thorthor: So many clever assholes. This is fark. Are you proud?

Not that I've tried to be hyper-snarky, but I'm somewhat inured at this point.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning currently holed up there with a hostage.  I don't care if he has a gun or a morning star or a set of Ginsu steak knives.  There's a guy who built a bunker in his back yard at 2:30 in the morning. That's all this thread should be about.


So you're saying that HOAs should have more power?
 
2013-01-30 02:40:17 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: anything can be commonplace even while its rate of occurrence is declining; newspapers, for instance.


Well said.
 
2013-01-30 02:41:41 AM  

the ha ha guy: gun-grabbers


DRINK!
 
2013-01-30 02:43:14 AM  
I suppose this will be out of the Fark norm but I consider myself liberal in all points except gun control. Is it so much to ask that we finally find a real medical solution for these crazy bastards? All I ask is to find a way to help the loons without infringing on my rights to own my guns. Will my AR-15 ever kill someone odds are no I enjoy shooting it at the range it stays locked up the rest of the time. Does it really matter that my 9 has a 17 round mag? In the off chance that someone breaks into my house I would like at least 17 chances to make sure that a hole doesn't kill or rape my wife. Most gun owners that I know are like me they just want to be left alone they are never any danger to others unless those others intend danger to them or their loved ones. We need to find the crazies and help them. I would submit to regular mental health evaluations if that is what it took to stop these attacks. I do feel though that we should also look to the media. In the last two weeks I have read dozens of articles that wouldn't have been news 6 months ago. Let us stop sensationalizing the shootings and making stars of these people that feel the need to kill. All the news does with these stories is show other insane dicks that if you want to be famous just shoot up a school/theater/anything else at this point. All I ask in regard to guns is the same reason I would ask in regard to anything else. No more heavy handed ridiculous gun measures that will accomplish nothing and much much less press for every gun incident.
 
2013-01-30 02:51:31 AM  

PainfulItching: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Abacus9: mofa: This outrage outrages my outrage! The bad people don't, no, the good people don't criticize; hte bad people took the strawberries. That's where I had them. They laughed at me and made jokes but I proved beyond the shadow of a doubt and with geometric logic that a duplicate key

what is this i don't even

He's channeling Old Yellow-stain.

I kid you not.


(Sniff) You're gradually restoring my faith in humanity.
 
2013-01-30 02:53:33 AM  

fusillade762: the ha ha guy: gun-grabbers

DRINK!


You sound sensible. WHY IN THE fark ARE YOU HERE?
 
2013-01-30 02:55:42 AM  

Sweet Zombi Jesus: I suppose this will be out of the Fark norm but I consider myself liberal in all points except gun control. Is it so much to ask that we finally find a real medical solution for these crazy bastards? All I ask is to find a way to help the loons without infringing on my rights to own my guns. Will my AR-15 ever kill someone odds are no I enjoy shooting it at the range it stays locked up the rest of the time. Does it really matter that my 9 has a 17 round mag? In the off chance that someone breaks into my house I would like at least 17 chances to make sure that a hole doesn't kill or rape my wife. Most gun owners that I know are like me they just want to be left alone they are never any danger to others unless those others intend danger to them or their loved ones. We need to find the crazies and help them. I would submit to regular mental health evaluations if that is what it took to stop these attacks. I do feel though that we should also look to the media. In the last two weeks I have read dozens of articles that wouldn't have been news 6 months ago. Let us stop sensationalizing the shootings and making stars of these people that feel the need to kill. All the news does with these stories is show other insane dicks that if you want to be famous just shoot up a school/theater/anything else at this point. All I ask in regard to guns is the same reason I would ask in regard to anything else. No more heavy handed ridiculous gun measures that will accomplish nothing and much much less press for every gun incident.


Hit the wrong button - this is the guy that sound sensible.

/WHY IN THE fark ARE YOU HERE?
 
2013-01-30 02:58:58 AM  

Sweet Zombi Jesus: I suppose this will be out of the Fark norm but I consider myself liberal in all points except gun control. Is it so much to ask that we finally find a real medical solution for these crazy bastards? All I ask is to find a way to help the loons without infringing on my rights to own my guns. Will my AR-15 ever kill someone odds are no I enjoy shooting it at the range it stays locked up the rest of the time. Does it really matter that my 9 has a 17 round mag? In the off chance that someone breaks into my house I would like at least 17 chances to make sure that a hole doesn't kill or rape my wife. Most gun owners that I know are like me they just want to be left alone they are never any danger to others unless those others intend danger to them or their loved ones. We need to find the crazies and help them. I would submit to regular mental health evaluations if that is what it took to stop these attacks. I do feel though that we should also look to the media. In the last two weeks I have read dozens of articles that wouldn't have been news 6 months ago. Let us stop sensationalizing the shootings and making stars of these people that feel the need to kill. All the news does with these stories is show other insane dicks that if you want to be famous just shoot up a school/theater/anything else at this point. All I ask in regard to guns is the same reason I would ask in regard to anything else. No more heavy handed ridiculous gun measures that will accomplish nothing and much much less press for every gun incident.


1/10, but just in case you're serious:

1. Your desire to use a weapon at the range, for fun, is not why the 2nd Amendment was written.
2. If you try to use one in the house, you're just as likely to miss and shoot your wife.
3. Murder wouldn't have been news six months ago? It's always been news.
 
2013-01-30 03:10:09 AM  

WordyGrrl: I see many of us lean toward requiring a clean bill of mental health before one can own a gun as a good idea. Should such a legal requirement be passed, I foresee the NRA publishing a list of "NRA-Certified Psychiatric Evaluation Specialists" in less than very few fragments of a second.


Problem:  mental health is impermanent.  Solution:  mental health testing every year for gun owners?  Yeah, right.  "But I was just having one bad day.  I was taking Nyquil!"

People adjudicated as mentally incompetent are already barred from buying guns. But the adjudication process is long, difficult, and expensive... rightfully so, considering all the rights and privileges that are at stake.

If you're too crazy for a gun, why should you be driving or signing contracts?  Why should you be a doctor, teacher, or babysitter?  Why don't you go live with the sex offenders?

Hey, let's publish a Google Map of people who FAILED to get gun permits!  Our readers are a lot more interested in which neighbors are certified crazy than they are in which ones own guns.

If we can't trust people to own guns, why should we trust them with our children, our health, our roof repair job?  Mental health testing for EVERYONE!

Oh, yes, it would try to go that far.  Might not make it, but it would try over and over again.  Never underestimate the human need for guarantees of  safety, however illusory they may be.  See TSA.


 
2013-01-30 03:13:12 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: See TSA.


See Benjamin Franklin, instead.
 
2013-01-30 03:14:49 AM  
I'm beginning to think our great ancestors had it right. Defective children should be put down before they can become defective adults
 
2013-01-30 03:34:22 AM  

Abacus9: Sweet Zombi Jesus: I suppose this will be out of the Fark norm but I consider myself liberal in all points except gun control. Is it so much to ask that we finally find a real medical solution for these crazy bastards? All I ask is to find a way to help the loons without infringing on my rights to own my guns. Will my AR-15 ever kill someone odds are no I enjoy shooting it at the range it stays locked up the rest of the time. Does it really matter that my 9 has a 17 round mag? In the off chance that someone breaks into my house I would like at least 17 chances to make sure that a hole doesn't kill or rape my wife. Most gun owners that I know are like me they just want to be left alone they are never any danger to others unless those others intend danger to them or their loved ones. We need to find the crazies and help them. I would submit to regular mental health evaluations if that is what it took to stop these attacks. I do feel though that we should also look to the media. In the last two weeks I have read dozens of articles that wouldn't have been news 6 months ago. Let us stop sensationalizing the shootings and making stars of these people that feel the need to kill. All the news does with these stories is show other insane dicks that if you want to be famous just shoot up a school/theater/anything else at this point. All I ask in regard to guns is the same reason I would ask in regard to anything else. No more heavy handed ridiculous gun measures that will accomplish nothing and much much less press for every gun incident.

1/10, but just in case you're serious:

1. Your desire to use a weapon at the range, for fun, is not why the 2nd Amendment was written.
2. If you try to use one in the house, you're just as likely to miss and shoot your wife.
3. Murder wouldn't have been news six months ago? It's always been news.


On the off chance you are a troll I will extend the courtesy and say 0/10 you have not managed to provoke more than a disdainful meh when reading your post. While the second amendment doesn't cover fun at the range it does allow for me to have protection from the government and police that may in the future have an intent to harm us. For your second point I am well practiced in firearm safety and if an intruder invaded my home odds are I would put most if not all of my rounds in their body. Finally murder may have been news 6 months ago but it would hardly have been headline news I may have chosen my words poorly when saying news rather than headline news. Murders happen daily if a person beat someone to death tomorrow it may make news however such a thing is unlikely the next gun violence incident will certainly be headline news. Why? We as a country love to read the most sensational thing at the moment. If said sensational thing were say meth we would all be out in arms if said sensational thing were honey boo boo you may experience the same effect. The primary point at least until I got drunk is that our country needs to stop persecuting gun owners in general and focus on the real issue of mental illness. It is entirely possible of course who could know that if that farker reagan had not closed all of the mental hospitals rather than reforming them that we would not be in our current state. Yes it is a horrible thing that some insane dbag murders a bunch of children. It is always a horrible thing when a person murders a lot of people. People that say that taking law abiding citizens guns away is going to fix anything are at best diluted. Thousands of pounds of drugs cross the border from mexico daily what exactly is to stop the influx of guns if you managed to outlaw them? the reality is that guns exist and banning reasonable people from owning them is not likely to lessen the danger of less reasonable people.
 
2013-01-30 03:55:28 AM  

Sweet Zombi Jesus: Abacus9: Sweet Zombi Jesus: wharrgarbl...


Yes, the mental illness issue needs to be addressed. But not all mentally ill people shoot children, bus drivers etc. But there is another problem to address other than the insane insistence on owning guns.
 
2013-01-30 04:03:58 AM  

Slappajo: PapaChester: MaudlinMutantMollusk: FTFA: James Edward Davis, Jr., who lives near Dykes on Private Road 1539, told the Dothan Eagle that Dykes pulled a gun on him and his daughter on Dec. 10 after Dykes believed Davis had driven in Dykes' yard. Davis said he reported Dykes to the Dale County Sheriff's Department. Dykes was arrested Dec. 22 and charged with menacing.

And yet he still had a gun

/why?

WTF? Second amendment that's why! It's the kid fault. If the six year old's second amendment rights weren't being trampled on by Obama himself, then she would no doubt have been packing, but it was nonetheless her duty as an American to have had that gun so she could prepare for the tyrannical federal government.. And she didn't.

/assumed it's a she. poor little girl.

Or because someone is charged, their guilty right?


Wrong.  You're not presumed guilty and you don't admit guilt.  You say, "I want out on bail."  Judge says, "Fine, I'll let you out if you surrender your guns until after your trial."  You're free to take his offer or stay in jail until your trial.

Alabama bail law applicable to this case:

Section 15-13-147 - Determination of conditions of release.In determining the restrictions and conditions of release that will assure the appearance of a person as required, and safety of any other person or the community, the judicial officer shall, on the basis of available information, take into account such matters as the nature and circumstances of the offense charged, the weight of the evidence against the person, family ties, employment, financial resources, character and mental condition, past conduct, length of residence in the community, record of convictions, and any record of appearance at court proceedings or failure to appear at court proceedings as well as any objection or recommendation of the district attorney or prosecutor.

The 8th Amendment does not guarantee a right to bail; it only says that "excessive" bail may  not be levied. It does not limit conditions that may be attached to bail, even if they have nothing to do with ensuring that you show up for trial.
 
2013-01-30 04:06:07 AM  

Sweet Zombi Jesus: the reality is that guns exist and banning reasonable people from owning them is not likely to lessen the danger of less reasonable people.


Except in the United Kingdom and Japan and Germany and Australia and Canada and Sweden and just about every first-world country except the United States where controlling gun ownership has worked exactly that way for years.