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(Smithsonian Magazine)   Geologists wandering Siberia find a family living 150 miles from anything. And boy do those people miss salt   (smithsonianmag.com ) divider line
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2013-01-30 07:29:15 AM  
4 votes:

LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you


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FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.
2013-01-30 07:12:04 AM  
4 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: That was incredibly depressing.

These aren't some wild animals where you have to watch with stoicism as their young get eaten by predators. These are human beings. If they don't want to be airlifted out of there to save their lives, fark 'em! They're clearly not thinking straight, since they've lived out in the woods for decades. Save their lives now, and deal with the emotional fallout later.


Why? As you said, they aren't wild animals, so they get a choice. You don't get to make that choice for them. If they want to stay, I say let them. Drop them some cheap supplies if you want, and maybe try to gradually convince them it's better in Modern Russia, but if they want to die there, that's ultimately their choice.
2013-01-30 05:03:44 AM  
4 votes:
The scientist in me finds this story fascinating and wonders how such extreme isolation would alter group dynamics and social hierarchies.

The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.
2013-01-29 09:57:21 PM  
4 votes:

kvinesknows: sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?


Hahaha....no. The brother had needs, most likely. That's why they were all so bent out of shape about sin.
2013-01-30 10:16:43 AM  
3 votes:
david_gaithersburg not sure if troll, or just pants on head retarded.

either way you know nothing about progressivism except what your farking media overlords have spoonfed you, and that's a load of bullshiat.

grow up you pants-shiatting coward.
2013-01-30 06:05:28 AM  
3 votes:

Ishkur: Hey libertarians: You want to live in a completely free society?

That's where you should go. In Siberia no one will ever crush your freedoms or suppress your rights..... nor even notice you are there.


No, in Siberia, you either get tough or die. That's why it's been used as a unwalled prison at times in Russian history. Siberia is a gorgeous, harsh, strict mistress that brooks no safewords and shows no pity or mercy, she will beat you when she likes and fark you when she likes.
2013-01-30 05:32:03 AM  
3 votes:
Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.
2013-01-30 05:31:19 AM  
3 votes:

miss diminutive: The scientist in me finds this story fascinating and wonders how such extreme isolation would alter group dynamics and social hierarchies.

The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.


Periods tend to falter if you are forever on the edge of starvation. Ask an Olsen twin.

Fascinating indeed in a "human zoo/religion ruins everything" kind of way.
2013-01-30 01:33:23 AM  
3 votes:
No word on what they thought of the helicopter the geologists arrived in.
2013-01-30 02:37:02 PM  
2 votes:
Wow, rarely comment and have never put anyone on ignore but O.C. and David made this thread really painfully stupid when it didn't need to be.
2013-01-30 10:24:08 AM  
2 votes:

udhq: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: eldritch2k4: david_gaithersburg: LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you

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FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.

And the facts you bring up would not offend anyone were it not for your (implied) comparison of Western Progressive movements to Stalin's version of Communism. I, too, believe that education is the best defense against ignorance and it may do you good to look up the differences between two groups who use similar terms before equating them.

You should look at the nature of the revolutionary groups in Russia prior to the Lenin Coup. The similarities with so-called progressive groups now in America is striking. You should also look at the natural progression/evolution of leadership style/content in a collectivist social system. As a matter of cold,m hard fact, a Stalinist system is the logical, historically necessary outgrowth of "Progressive" collectivist ethics.

Oh, btw, another logical, historically necessary element is that the new Glorious Leader's first or close to first actions is to purge (i.e.: exterminate) all of the starry-eyed useful idiots ("progressives") whose eager beaver hard work put him in power.

Why do you bother writing so many words, when it would be just as easy to say "I don't know what the word communism means"?


Actually I do. Probably better than you.

Are you aware that "Communism" has never existed except in small, short lived communes? Even the Communist Party of the Soviet Union admitted publicly in their 50th All-Soviet Congress that the Russian Soviet system had an "indeterminate" number of decades to go until The State withered away and "Communism" arrived.

/Degree in Political Science (Comparative Political/Economic Systems).
//Please try again.
2013-01-30 09:58:56 AM  
2 votes:

eldritch2k4: david_gaithersburg: LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you

.
FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.

And the facts you bring up would not offend anyone were it not for your (implied) comparison of Western Progressive movements to Stalin's version of Communism. I, too, believe that education is the best defense against ignorance and it may do you good to look up the differences between two groups who use similar terms before equating them.


You should look at the nature of the revolutionary groups in Russia prior to the Lenin Coup. The similarities with so-called progressive groups now in America is striking. You should also look at the natural progression/evolution of leadership style/content in a collectivist social system. As a matter of cold,m hard fact, a Stalinist system is the logical, historically necessary outgrowth of "Progressive" collectivist ethics.

Oh, btw, another logical, historically necessary element is that the new Glorious Leader's first or close to first actions is to purge (i.e.: exterminate) all of the starry-eyed useful idiots ("progressives") whose eager beaver hard work put him in power.
2013-01-30 09:33:44 AM  
2 votes:

proteus_b: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

You think you're Thomas Jefferson but you're really just an idiot...


Ah yes, name calling. The last and best "progressive" argument.
2013-01-30 08:07:27 AM  
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: nice to see that there still exists that kind of isolation today.


Nice?  They left to avoid persecution and constantly lived on the edge of famine.  Several of them died of starvation or organ failure.

I find the social dynamics fascinating, though.  In an environment with little margin for error, they usually had just enough talent in the right areas to keep the family alive.  The dude who could walk barefoot in snow and sleep outdoors without dying of exposure was amazing to read about.  Part of me wishes I could've beaten the derp out of the authoritarian guy, but a lot of these neighborhood fatties where I live could use a winter or two in Siberia.
2013-01-30 07:57:35 AM  
2 votes:

eldritch2k4: david_gaithersburg: LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you

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FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.

And the facts you bring up would not offend anyone were it not for your (implied) comparison of Western Progressive movements to Stalin's version of Communism. I, too, believe that education is the best defense against ignorance and it may do you good to look up the differences between two groups who use similar terms before equating them.


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What are the differences?

Similarities:
Both believe that success is to be punished.
Both believe that rights and freedoms should be bestowed to the people by the government.
Both believe in religious intolerance and bigotry.
Both believe in government control of the press.
Both believe in one party political systems.

These are not traits of "Stalin's communism", but communism itself. I'm glad to see that you are willing to admit that the "Western Progressive movements" is communism, we need more of that sort of honesty.

Now please educate me on the differences.
2013-01-30 07:42:03 AM  
2 votes:

david_gaithersburg: LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you

.
FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.


And the facts you bring up would not offend anyone were it not for your (implied) comparison of Western Progressive movements to Stalin's version of Communism. I, too, believe that education is the best defense against ignorance and it may do you good to look up the differences between two groups who use similar terms before equating them.
2013-01-30 06:45:32 AM  
2 votes:

the_colors: There are people who don't have david_gaithersburg on ignore? Huh. I quickly get sick of threadshiatters.

Anyway, this was a fascinating read. Farking Russia, man. I guess this is as close as we'll ever get to having time travelers from the past visit our wacky future.


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Not everyone is afraid of different ideas and open debate. I expect I'll get banned for pointing out that these people fled into the wild to keep from being murdered with the other 20,000,000 people who lost their lives during The Great Purge.
2013-01-30 03:42:14 AM  
2 votes:
Hey libertarians: You want to live in a completely free society?

That's where you should go. In Siberia no one will ever crush your freedoms or suppress your rights..... nor even notice you are there.
2013-01-30 03:29:21 PM  
1 vote:
Congrats, subby, you beat me by 13 minutes with this link. The thread has me thinking of "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", the scene where the crime boss doesn't even get from transport to airlock because he wasn't paying attention. Related as a lunar lore story, not part of the narrative.
2013-01-30 11:22:19 AM  
1 vote:
Also misses salt:

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
2013-01-30 10:39:03 AM  
1 vote:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Actually I do. Probably better than you.

Are you aware that "Communism" has never existed except in small, short lived communes? Even the Communist Party of the Soviet Union admitted publicly in their 50th All-Soviet Congress that the Russian Soviet system had an "indeterminate" number of decades to go until The State withered away and "Communism" arrived.

/Degree in Political Science (Comparative Political/Economic Systems).
//Please try again.


Ah, yes, one of those "It's never been tried" people.

Well, you know, I'm of the opinion that if you have to murder tens of millions of people in order to move towards it, maybe, just maybe, it ain't worth the cost.

It was tried, just not successfully, because it fights against human nature. You can convince a small group to do it, for a time, but you can convince a small group of just about anything, at least temporarily.
2013-01-30 10:30:29 AM  
1 vote:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: udhq: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: eldritch2k4: david_gaithersburg: LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you

.
FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.

And the facts you bring up would not offend anyone were it not for your (implied) comparison of Western Progressive movements to Stalin's version of Communism. I, too, believe that education is the best defense against ignorance and it may do you good to look up the differences between two groups who use similar terms before equating them.

You should look at the nature of the revolutionary groups in Russia prior to the Lenin Coup. The similarities with so-called progressive groups now in America is striking. You should also look at the natural progression/evolution of leadership style/content in a collectivist social system. As a matter of cold,m hard fact, a Stalinist system is the logical, historically necessary outgrowth of "Progressive" collectivist ethics.

Oh, btw, another logical, historically necessary element is that the new Glorious Leader's first or close to first actions is to purge (i.e.: exterminate) all of the starry-eyed useful idiots ("progressives") whose eager beaver hard work put him in power.

Why do you bother writing so many words, when it would be just as easy to say "I don't know what the word communism means"?

Actually I do. Probably better than you.

Are you aware that "Communism" has never existed except in small, short lived communes? Even the Communist Party of ...


So what you're saying is that you DO actually know better, and you're simply feigning ignorance to make cheap political points?

Color me shocked.
2013-01-30 10:06:38 AM  
1 vote:

david_gaithersburg: Long Pig: Fascinating article, and interesting trolling attempts in this thread. This has been a good day of reading thus far.
Thanks to subby and the trolls.

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Honest intellectual dialog = trolling

Screaming and name calling = well thought out post


Sorry, it's not worth the effort seriously engaging someone who is asserting that soviet communists=American liberals, the same way it's no longer worth the time and effort it takes correcting someone who says the president was born in Kenya.

You didn't appear to put any time and effort into forming that opinion, no reason I should put any time or effort into correcting it.
2013-01-30 10:06:14 AM  
1 vote:

dittybopper: I've even taught myself how to knap flint, so I'm good to go there, too.


If you post that picture of your goddamn arrowhead one more time I will start having ITG dreams about hunting you down and ramming it down your throat.
2013-01-30 10:01:35 AM  
1 vote:
I just found that disturbing. Other than the idea of people living like that, totally isolated from society and fighting for survival every minute of every day, it's sad to think of what they could have become if they'd had a chance to develop their talents.
2013-01-30 09:58:47 AM  
1 vote:

Long Pig: Fascinating article, and interesting trolling attempts in this thread. This has been a good day of reading thus far.
Thanks to subby and the trolls.


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Honest intellectual dialog = trolling

Screaming and name calling = well thought out post
2013-01-30 09:56:53 AM  
1 vote:

greenboy: Deep Contact: Wow, no guns or bows or years of food supplies. What kind of preppers are these people?

I thought this was curious. A functioning bow is extremely easy to make. If you have 20+ years to experiment, you more or less can figure it out yourself. They seem lazy.


See, this is where I thank the Universe and whatever deity may or may not be in charge of it that I was raised in a household where knowledge of weapons was commonplace.

Given the abundant raw materials there, I'm pretty sure I could gin up a bow, an atlatl, boomerangs (the non-returning hunting kind), a blowgun, traps, bolas, and all manner of game-getting devices. Hell, I've even taught myself how to knap flint, so I'm good to go there, too.
2013-01-30 09:44:25 AM  
1 vote:

the_colors: There are people who don't have david_gaithersburg on ignore? Huh. I quickly get sick of threadshiatters.


Just for you...

t3.gstatic.com and 3.bp.blogspot.com
2013-01-30 09:38:21 AM  
1 vote:

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Yes this is dog: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

Come on, you aren't even trying hard anymore.

I know it's a difficult concept for some to comprehend, but he is absolutely correct.



"Progressives are communists because those are both bad words I heard on the TV!"
2013-01-30 09:26:51 AM  
1 vote:

david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.


So much this.
2013-01-30 09:24:40 AM  
1 vote:

eldritch2k4: david_gaithersburg: I'm glad to see that you are willing to admit that the "Western Progressive movements" is communism, we need more of that sort of honesty.

Now please educate me on the differences.

I refuse to further engage you. At no point did I say that Western Progressive Movements were Communism. As you have already twisted my few words into something unrecognizable, I feel it would be a waste of my time to actively attempt to educate you. So, I will leave you with these:

1. You bear all the hallmarks of a willfully ignorant fool
2. If you wish to prove me wrong, read the following Wikipedia article on Progressive Movements and acknowledge how nearly everything you listed as similarities to Stalin's regime are false: Wikipedia's Article on Progressivism


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I took the time to read the Wiki entry. It reminds me of the observation of how people often view themselves much differently than others view them.
2013-01-30 08:50:31 AM  
1 vote:

david_gaithersburg: I'm glad to see that you are willing to admit that the "Western Progressive movements" is communism, we need more of that sort of honesty.

Now please educate me on the differences.


I refuse to further engage you. At no point did I say that Western Progressive Movements were Communism. As you have already twisted my few words into something unrecognizable, I feel it would be a waste of my time to actively attempt to educate you. So, I will leave you with these:

1. You bear all the hallmarks of a willfully ignorant fool
2. If you wish to prove me wrong, read the following Wikipedia article on Progressive Movements and acknowledge how nearly everything you listed as similarities to Stalin's regime are false: Wikipedia's Article on Progressivism
2013-01-30 08:47:14 AM  
1 vote:
Interesting read. I read a story about the human experience and, welcome to fark, there are dipshiats in here turning it into a political pissing match. Or really one dipshiat from Floriduh.
2013-01-30 08:23:54 AM  
1 vote:

david_gaithersburg: Similarities:
Both believe that success is to be punished.
Both believe that rights and freedoms should be bestowed to the people by the government.
Both believe in religious intolerance and bigotry.
Both believe in government control of the press.
Both believe in one party political systems.


A stunning grasp of post-Industrial Revolution liberalism on display here.

Bro, do you even left?
2013-01-30 08:17:39 AM  
1 vote:

maskedloser: david_gaithersburg: the_colors: There are people who don't have david_gaithersburg on ignore? Huh. I quickly get sick of threadshiatters.

Anyway, this was a fascinating read. Farking Russia, man. I guess this is as close as we'll ever get to having time travelers from the past visit our wacky future.

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Not everyone is afraid of different ideas and open debate. I expect I'll get banned for pointing out that these people fled into the wild to keep from being murdered with the other 20,000,000 people who lost their lives during The Great Purge.

That's not the whole story, though: The Tsars also persecuted Old Believers. Say what you want about religion, but beliefs held that deeply are always a threat to a domineering government - left or right,


Main problem Tsars had with Old believers is that they were anti-government, and in Tsarist Russia State and Church are united

/In a way Pussy Riot are Old believers too - they believe in seperation of Church and State, unlike Church which pretty much calls Putin a saviour
//A stone will be thrown at the state, and a stone will be thrown at the churches
mjl
2013-01-30 08:08:00 AM  
1 vote:

Deep Contact: Wow, no guns or bows or years of food supplies. What kind of preppers are these people?


Joking apart... Its hard, perhaps impossible, for a small group to make sufficient preparations to last decades of total isolation. Things break, wear, rot, get lost, get used up, medicine has a shelf life.
if your lucky after 20 years you'll be living in the early Industrial Revolution
2013-01-30 08:01:53 AM  
1 vote:
They apparently had plenty of hemp
2013-01-30 07:46:55 AM  
1 vote:
Dragging your family 150 miles into the Siberian outback to live cut off from society, in near-fathom conditions with no salt and not much more than birch bark and potatoes for decades is not normal... but on religion, it is.

Religion: Not even once.
2013-01-30 07:33:44 AM  
1 vote:

LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you


The split which produced the Old Believers came about before Peter was on the throne, right?
2013-01-30 06:50:33 AM  
1 vote:

Deep Contact: Wow, no guns or bows or years of food supplies. What kind of preppers are these people?


Their government at the time had a habit of confiscating stuff like that.
2013-01-30 06:37:51 AM  
1 vote:
There are people who don't have david_gaithersburg on ignore? Huh. I quickly get sick of threadshiatters.

Anyway, this was a fascinating read. Farking Russia, man. I guess this is as close as we'll ever get to having time travelers from the past visit our wacky future.
2013-01-30 06:01:35 AM  
1 vote:
How the hell did they get app updates all those years?
2013-01-30 05:56:45 AM  
1 vote:

Yes this is dog: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

Come on, you aren't even trying hard anymore.


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You should read the story again. They did not want to flee into the the wilderness, they did so to escape being murdered by so-called-progressives. So sad, we can never allow this history to repeat.
2013-01-30 05:38:48 AM  
1 vote:

david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.


You think you're Thomas Jefferson but you're really just an idiot...
2013-01-30 05:34:47 AM  
1 vote:
i found that a very difficult read for their suffering. the murder of the mans brother led them to this paltry existence. i doubt putin's clowns will do the right thing and see to it the family gets to live out their lives in warmth and comfort with full stomachs and Mtv.
2013-01-30 02:53:58 AM  
1 vote:
That was incredibly depressing.

These aren't some wild animals where you have to watch with stoicism as their young get eaten by predators. These are human beings. If they don't want to be airlifted out of there to save their lives, fark 'em! They're clearly not thinking straight, since they've lived out in the woods for decades. Save their lives now, and deal with the emotional fallout later.
2013-01-30 01:31:46 AM  
1 vote:
Excellent article, and nice to see that there still exists that kind of isolation today.
2013-01-30 12:38:01 AM  
1 vote:
thermal-imaging-blog.com

Fascinating.
2013-01-30 12:17:48 AM  
1 vote:
That was an interesting read. Good find, subby.

They share some similarities with some of the extreme right-wing today who want to isolate themselves from the rest of the country in some kind of warped utopia: Indepence, USA

Except these nutters probably won't actually go through with it and leave the rest of us alone.
2013-01-29 11:16:17 PM  
1 vote:

naughtyrev: kvinesknows: sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?

Hahaha....no. The brother had needs, most likely. That's why they were all so bent out of shape about sin.


Given that Old Believers seemed to think drinking water or breathing air is a sin, I think it's more likely they were just self-loathing.
2013-01-29 09:53:27 PM  
1 vote:
Proper use of the interesting tag, Subby.
 
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