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(Smithsonian Magazine)   Geologists wandering Siberia find a family living 150 miles from anything. And boy do those people miss salt   (smithsonianmag.com) divider line 182
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2013-01-29 09:35:43 PM  
sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?
 
2013-01-29 09:53:27 PM  
Proper use of the interesting tag, Subby.
 
2013-01-29 09:57:21 PM  

kvinesknows: sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?


Hahaha....no. The brother had needs, most likely. That's why they were all so bent out of shape about sin.
 
2013-01-29 11:00:05 PM  

naughtyrev: kvinesknows: sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?

Hahaha....no. The brother had needs, most likely. That's why they were all so bent out of shape about sin.


i dont know.. they say the animals died fom runnng...but....
 
2013-01-29 11:16:17 PM  

naughtyrev: kvinesknows: sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?

Hahaha....no. The brother had needs, most likely. That's why they were all so bent out of shape about sin.


Given that Old Believers seemed to think drinking water or breathing air is a sin, I think it's more likely they were just self-loathing.
 
2013-01-30 12:09:44 AM  

kvinesknows: sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?


and old as dirt, whatever, fap on dude..
 
2013-01-30 12:11:18 AM  
An interesting story, and mostly sad, but thanks subby.
 
2013-01-30 12:17:48 AM  
That was an interesting read. Good find, subby.

They share some similarities with some of the extreme right-wing today who want to isolate themselves from the rest of the country in some kind of warped utopia: Indepence, USA

Except these nutters probably won't actually go through with it and leave the rest of us alone.
 
2013-01-30 12:38:01 AM  
thermal-imaging-blog.com

Fascinating.
 
2013-01-30 12:52:39 AM  
That was neat, thanks subby.
 
2013-01-30 01:31:46 AM  
Excellent article, and nice to see that there still exists that kind of isolation today.
 
2013-01-30 01:33:23 AM  
No word on what they thought of the helicopter the geologists arrived in.
 
2013-01-30 01:38:57 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Excellent article, and nice to see that there still exists that kind of isolation today.


Did you ever see Heimo's Arctic Refuge? Not nearly the same level of isolation, but still amazing.
 
2013-01-30 02:53:58 AM  
That was incredibly depressing.

These aren't some wild animals where you have to watch with stoicism as their young get eaten by predators. These are human beings. If they don't want to be airlifted out of there to save their lives, fark 'em! They're clearly not thinking straight, since they've lived out in the woods for decades. Save their lives now, and deal with the emotional fallout later.
 
2013-01-30 03:22:01 AM  
Whoa.
 
2013-01-30 03:42:14 AM  
Hey libertarians: You want to live in a completely free society?

That's where you should go. In Siberia no one will ever crush your freedoms or suppress your rights..... nor even notice you are there.
 
2013-01-30 05:03:44 AM  
The scientist in me finds this story fascinating and wonders how such extreme isolation would alter group dynamics and social hierarchies.

The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.
 
2013-01-30 05:19:34 AM  
oldnewsissoexciting.jpg
 
2013-01-30 05:25:09 AM  
As a linguist, I'm interested in how the womens' language evolved. From what and into what? What were the different pressures on their everyday lives that helped shape their language?

Pretty cool stuff.
 
2013-01-30 05:31:19 AM  

miss diminutive: The scientist in me finds this story fascinating and wonders how such extreme isolation would alter group dynamics and social hierarchies.

The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.


Periods tend to falter if you are forever on the edge of starvation. Ask an Olsen twin.

Fascinating indeed in a "human zoo/religion ruins everything" kind of way.
 
2013-01-30 05:31:59 AM  
The boys would have some strange thoughts about they're sisters that is guaranteed. Lot's of masturbating etc.
 
2013-01-30 05:32:03 AM  
Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.
 
2013-01-30 05:34:47 AM  
i found that a very difficult read for their suffering. the murder of the mans brother led them to this paltry existence. i doubt putin's clowns will do the right thing and see to it the family gets to live out their lives in warmth and comfort with full stomachs and Mtv.
 
2013-01-30 05:35:50 AM  
Interesting read. Nice job, subby.
 
2013-01-30 05:36:05 AM  

miss diminutive: The scientist in me finds this story fascinating and wonders how such extreme isolation would alter group dynamics and social hierarchies.

The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.


Seals, what else would you use in the Arctic.
 
2013-01-30 05:37:48 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.


Don't start that shiat here. It was just as much the lack of nutrition that killed them as disease from modern society. Yes, they probably would have been better off not being introduced to the rest of the Soviet citizens, but weaker societies always fall before stronger ones. That's not Left or Right, that's just history.

The scientists should have chronicled the family and left them to their own sense of freedom. They shouldn't have tried to homogenize them into the communist society like they did. But you can't really fault do-gooders for trying to do good. You can only fault them for failing to have the foresight that taking these people away from the only life they knew would end up killing them.
 
2013-01-30 05:38:14 AM  
I'd piss salt too if that wwa my only option.
 
2013-01-30 05:38:20 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.


Come on, you aren't even trying hard anymore.
 
2013-01-30 05:38:48 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.


You think you're Thomas Jefferson but you're really just an idiot...
 
2013-01-30 05:39:44 AM  
it'd be even better if there was some non-related folk nearby to poke on occasion.

those long siberian nights get lonely and cold
 
2013-01-30 05:40:27 AM  
The last child staying there reminded me of the priest in The Elder Scrolls: Morrowind who was challenged to live in a hut for a hundred years. Just reminded me of that for some reason.
 
2013-01-30 05:40:31 AM  

miss diminutive: The scientist in me finds this story fascinating and wonders how such extreme isolation would alter group dynamics and social hierarchies.

The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.


Cherokee hair.
 
2013-01-30 05:52:13 AM  
 
2013-01-30 05:53:30 AM  
and butter
salt and butter
but mostly butter.

butter was a scarcity
and salt
salted butter
 
2013-01-30 05:56:45 AM  

Yes this is dog: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

Come on, you aren't even trying hard anymore.


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You should read the story again. They did not want to flee into the the wilderness, they did so to escape being murdered by so-called-progressives. So sad, we can never allow this history to repeat.
 
2013-01-30 05:58:58 AM  

Latch: From the HN comments on this article:

Recent request from Agafia for someone to join her/help her


If she is in her 60s now, it seems not altogether impossible that she would last another 15 years, like her father. A person moving in with her to help tend to her could end up spending a decade or two in isolation from others.
 
2013-01-30 06:01:35 AM  
How the hell did they get app updates all those years?
 
2013-01-30 06:03:02 AM  
Wow, no guns or bows or years of food supplies. What kind of preppers are these people?
 
2013-01-30 06:05:28 AM  

Ishkur: Hey libertarians: You want to live in a completely free society?

That's where you should go. In Siberia no one will ever crush your freedoms or suppress your rights..... nor even notice you are there.


No, in Siberia, you either get tough or die. That's why it's been used as a unwalled prison at times in Russian history. Siberia is a gorgeous, harsh, strict mistress that brooks no safewords and shows no pity or mercy, she will beat you when she likes and fark you when she likes.
 
2013-01-30 06:06:33 AM  

miss diminutive: The scientist in me finds this story fascinating and wonders how such extreme isolation would alter group dynamics and social hierarchies.

The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.


------

Birch bark?
 
2013-01-30 06:21:10 AM  
Very interesting read.

Not sure I would want to go out there to live with/help her though.
 
2013-01-30 06:22:03 AM  
www.theskinny.co.uk

Everything was fine until scientists and filmmakers brought with them diseases and technologies of the devil.
 
2013-01-30 06:23:20 AM  

soundguy: miss diminutive: The scientist in me finds this story fascinating and wonders how such extreme isolation would alter group dynamics and social hierarchies.

The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.

------

Birch bark?



Baby beaver.
 
2013-01-30 06:31:54 AM  

Deep Contact: Wow, no guns or bows or years of food supplies. What kind of preppers are these people?


No, but they could chase and animal into exhaustion.

Cool story.
 
2013-01-30 06:37:51 AM  
There are people who don't have david_gaithersburg on ignore? Huh. I quickly get sick of threadshiatters.

Anyway, this was a fascinating read. Farking Russia, man. I guess this is as close as we'll ever get to having time travelers from the past visit our wacky future.
 
2013-01-30 06:45:32 AM  

the_colors: There are people who don't have david_gaithersburg on ignore? Huh. I quickly get sick of threadshiatters.

Anyway, this was a fascinating read. Farking Russia, man. I guess this is as close as we'll ever get to having time travelers from the past visit our wacky future.


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Not everyone is afraid of different ideas and open debate. I expect I'll get banned for pointing out that these people fled into the wild to keep from being murdered with the other 20,000,000 people who lost their lives during The Great Purge.
 
2013-01-30 06:50:33 AM  

Deep Contact: Wow, no guns or bows or years of food supplies. What kind of preppers are these people?


Their government at the time had a habit of confiscating stuff like that.
 
2013-01-30 06:54:45 AM  
Seriously... does this lady have a dash cam?

Can never be too careful in Russia.
 
2013-01-30 06:55:48 AM  
some people seem to be laboring under the impression that this is a news story.
It comes from 1978, that is the same year i was born. Not really news, more like olds.

/interesting story though
 
2013-01-30 07:06:44 AM  
Minecraft survival-mode LARPing before it was cool. But it's a lot harder to create an elaborate underground base when a single swing of a pick doesn't cleanly remove a cubic meter of solid rock, and you can't carry thousands of tons of rock in your pockets at once.
 
2013-01-30 07:08:48 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: miss diminutive: The scientist in me finds this story fascinating and wonders how such extreme isolation would alter group dynamics and social hierarchies.

The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.

Seals, what else would you use in the Arctic.


Cherokee hair.
 
2013-01-30 07:09:49 AM  
Damn. Too late.
 
2013-01-30 07:12:04 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: That was incredibly depressing.

These aren't some wild animals where you have to watch with stoicism as their young get eaten by predators. These are human beings. If they don't want to be airlifted out of there to save their lives, fark 'em! They're clearly not thinking straight, since they've lived out in the woods for decades. Save their lives now, and deal with the emotional fallout later.


Why? As you said, they aren't wild animals, so they get a choice. You don't get to make that choice for them. If they want to stay, I say let them. Drop them some cheap supplies if you want, and maybe try to gradually convince them it's better in Modern Russia, but if they want to die there, that's ultimately their choice.
 
2013-01-30 07:12:19 AM  

Martin The Mess: Minecraft survival-mode LARPing before it was cool. But it's a lot harder to create an elaborate underground base when a single swing of a pick doesn't cleanly remove a cubic meter of solid rock, and you can't carry thousands of tons of rock in your pockets at once.


Also makes it harder to build a giant wang of solid gold...

/You better get the reference...
 
2013-01-30 07:13:20 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.


yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you
 
2013-01-30 07:15:57 AM  

soundguy: miss diminutive: The scientist in me finds this story fascinating and wonders how such extreme isolation would alter group dynamics and social hierarchies.

The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.

------

Birch bark?


More like БИТЧ Bark, am I right fellas?
 
2013-01-30 07:23:14 AM  
Reminds me of my college days, readking anthropological studies.

People are weird.
 
2013-01-30 07:24:42 AM  
There are a lot of Old Believers still left, around the coasts of Lake Peipsi, between Estonia and Russia. I can't even try to explain the difference between the regular Russian Orthodox faith and them; all I know it exists.

One of the unintended negative consquences of Estonia regaining independence in 1991 was the border between the states. Now travel between the countries is much more difficult (really, because Russia insists on being dicks), and the Old Believers have their population split in half.

I don't think they'll exist much longer, as the young tend to leave for the cities. Nice folks, though. I buy rugs, smoked fish, onions, and the sort every time I am in the area.
 
2013-01-30 07:26:06 AM  
If you can remember the 70's you weren't really there.
 
2013-01-30 07:29:15 AM  

LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you


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FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.
 
2013-01-30 07:33:16 AM  

Mart Laar's beard shaver: There are a lot of Old Believers still left, around the coasts of Lake Peipsi


No Peipsi. Coke.
 
2013-01-30 07:33:44 AM  

LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you


The split which produced the Old Believers came about before Peter was on the throne, right?
 
2013-01-30 07:40:35 AM  

Mart Laar's beard shaver: I can't even try to explain the difference between the regular Russian Orthodox faith and them; all I know it exists.


Their priests drink more?
 
2013-01-30 07:42:03 AM  

david_gaithersburg: LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you

.
FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.


And the facts you bring up would not offend anyone were it not for your (implied) comparison of Western Progressive movements to Stalin's version of Communism. I, too, believe that education is the best defense against ignorance and it may do you good to look up the differences between two groups who use similar terms before equating them.
 
2013-01-30 07:46:23 AM  

Saberus Terras: Martin The Mess: Minecraft survival-mode LARPing before it was cool. But it's a lot harder to create an elaborate underground base when a single swing of a pick doesn't cleanly remove a cubic meter of solid rock, and you can't carry thousands of tons of rock in your pockets at once.

Also makes it harder to build a giant wang of solid gold...

/You better get the reference...


Goldmember?
 
2013-01-30 07:46:55 AM  
Dragging your family 150 miles into the Siberian outback to live cut off from society, in near-fathom conditions with no salt and not much more than birch bark and potatoes for decades is not normal... but on religion, it is.

Religion: Not even once.
 
2013-01-30 07:50:40 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Excellent article, and nice to see that there still exists that kind of isolation today.


It's from 1978.
 
2013-01-30 07:51:27 AM  

dittybopper: soundguy: miss diminutive: The scientist in me finds this story fascinating and wonders how such extreme isolation would alter group dynamics and social hierarchies.

The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.

------

Birch bark?

More like БИТЧ Bark, am I right fellas?


snl.jt.org
 
2013-01-30 07:52:05 AM  

CthulhuCalling: Saberus Terras: Martin The Mess: Minecraft survival-mode LARPing before it was cool. But it's a lot harder to create an elaborate underground base when a single swing of a pick doesn't cleanly remove a cubic meter of solid rock, and you can't carry thousands of tons of rock in your pockets at once.

Also makes it harder to build a giant wang of solid gold...

/You better get the reference...

Goldmember?


Not quite
 
2013-01-30 07:56:04 AM  

david_gaithersburg: the_colors: There are people who don't have david_gaithersburg on ignore? Huh. I quickly get sick of threadshiatters.

Anyway, this was a fascinating read. Farking Russia, man. I guess this is as close as we'll ever get to having time travelers from the past visit our wacky future.

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Not everyone is afraid of different ideas and open debate. I expect I'll get banned for pointing out that these people fled into the wild to keep from being murdered with the other 20,000,000 people who lost their lives during The Great Purge.


That's not the whole story, though: The Tsars also persecuted Old Believers. Say what you want about religion, but beliefs held that deeply are always a threat to a domineering government - left or right,
 
2013-01-30 07:57:35 AM  

eldritch2k4: david_gaithersburg: LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you

.
FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.

And the facts you bring up would not offend anyone were it not for your (implied) comparison of Western Progressive movements to Stalin's version of Communism. I, too, believe that education is the best defense against ignorance and it may do you good to look up the differences between two groups who use similar terms before equating them.


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What are the differences?

Similarities:
Both believe that success is to be punished.
Both believe that rights and freedoms should be bestowed to the people by the government.
Both believe in religious intolerance and bigotry.
Both believe in government control of the press.
Both believe in one party political systems.

These are not traits of "Stalin's communism", but communism itself. I'm glad to see that you are willing to admit that the "Western Progressive movements" is communism, we need more of that sort of honesty.

Now please educate me on the differences.
 
2013-01-30 07:59:23 AM  
its easier to die in the Siberian wilderness than get into heaven using modern technology common sense?

am i doing this right?
 
2013-01-30 08:01:31 AM  

david_gaithersburg: LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you

.
FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.


Oh, sorry, I thought you were referring to progressive reforms of Peter The Great

for him, Peter was a personal enemy and "the anti-Christ in human form"-a point he insisted had been amply proved by Tsar's campaign to modernize Russia
 
2013-01-30 08:01:53 AM  
They apparently had plenty of hemp
 
2013-01-30 08:02:46 AM  

KrispyKritter: i found that a very difficult read for their suffering. the murder of the mans brother led them to this paltry existence. i doubt putin's clowns will do the right thing and see to it the family gets to force this family to live out their lives in warmth and comfort with full stomachs and Mtv.


FTFY, or maybe FTF Peter the Great (beard-chopper). People who "know what's best" have a way of dragging folks from one extreme to the other. Best intentions of course, but watch out for unintended consequences. I'm pretty sure Jesus wouldn't approve.
 
2013-01-30 08:03:24 AM  

fusillade762: No word on what they thought of the helicopter the geologists arrived in.


This was my first thought too. I'd be curious what they thought.
 
2013-01-30 08:07:27 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: nice to see that there still exists that kind of isolation today.


Nice?  They left to avoid persecution and constantly lived on the edge of famine.  Several of them died of starvation or organ failure.

I find the social dynamics fascinating, though.  In an environment with little margin for error, they usually had just enough talent in the right areas to keep the family alive.  The dude who could walk barefoot in snow and sleep outdoors without dying of exposure was amazing to read about.  Part of me wishes I could've beaten the derp out of the authoritarian guy, but a lot of these neighborhood fatties where I live could use a winter or two in Siberia.
 
mjl
2013-01-30 08:08:00 AM  

Deep Contact: Wow, no guns or bows or years of food supplies. What kind of preppers are these people?


Joking apart... Its hard, perhaps impossible, for a small group to make sufficient preparations to last decades of total isolation. Things break, wear, rot, get lost, get used up, medicine has a shelf life.
if your lucky after 20 years you'll be living in the early Industrial Revolution
 
2013-01-30 08:09:17 AM  

dittybopper: Mart Laar's beard shaver: There are a lot of Old Believers still left, around the coasts of Lake Peipsi

No Peipsi. Coke.


I'm guessing this is an old joke where you live?
/Um well okay then ; )
 
2013-01-30 08:12:19 AM  

KrispyKritter: i found that a very difficult read for their suffering. the murder of the mans brother led them to this paltry existence. i doubt putin's clowns will do the right thing and see to it the family gets to live out their lives in warmth and comfort with full stomachs and Mtv.


We can tell you found it difficult to read, since the story was about finding the family in 1978 and it told what happened to all the family members.
 
2013-01-30 08:17:39 AM  

maskedloser: david_gaithersburg: the_colors: There are people who don't have david_gaithersburg on ignore? Huh. I quickly get sick of threadshiatters.

Anyway, this was a fascinating read. Farking Russia, man. I guess this is as close as we'll ever get to having time travelers from the past visit our wacky future.

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Not everyone is afraid of different ideas and open debate. I expect I'll get banned for pointing out that these people fled into the wild to keep from being murdered with the other 20,000,000 people who lost their lives during The Great Purge.

That's not the whole story, though: The Tsars also persecuted Old Believers. Say what you want about religion, but beliefs held that deeply are always a threat to a domineering government - left or right,


Main problem Tsars had with Old believers is that they were anti-government, and in Tsarist Russia State and Church are united

/In a way Pussy Riot are Old believers too - they believe in seperation of Church and State, unlike Church which pretty much calls Putin a saviour
//A stone will be thrown at the state, and a stone will be thrown at the churches
 
2013-01-30 08:20:13 AM  

mjl: Its hard, perhaps impossible, for a small group to make sufficient preparations to last decades of total isolation.


It's the difference between survival (which is to live long enough to GTFO) and settlement.  These people were settlers, and sadly not very good at it (why would they be, they're exiles), though they had the resolve when it counted.

Survival is about making sure you don't run out of supplies.  Settlement requires your own ground-up infrastructure.  The challenge here is that this is Siberia; harsh environments have a higher overhead.
 
2013-01-30 08:21:20 AM  
i16.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-30 08:22:50 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: dittybopper: Mart Laar's beard shaver: There are a lot of Old Believers still left, around the coasts of Lake Peipsi

No Peipsi. Coke.

I'm guessing this is an old joke where you live?
/Um well okay then ; )


Yeah. It's an old joke where *WE* come from.
 
2013-01-30 08:23:34 AM  

Pvt Joker: [i16.tinypic.com image 320x240]


Actually, don't. It stings. Trust me on this one.
 
2013-01-30 08:23:54 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Similarities:
Both believe that success is to be punished.
Both believe that rights and freedoms should be bestowed to the people by the government.
Both believe in religious intolerance and bigotry.
Both believe in government control of the press.
Both believe in one party political systems.


A stunning grasp of post-Industrial Revolution liberalism on display here.

Bro, do you even left?
 
2013-01-30 08:32:18 AM  
preposterous.  No credit cards?  No Costco membership?  NO KEURIG? Does Cigna even deliver their 90 days of medications or do they have to WALK to the post office?

Someone ought to teach that old fart how to punch in ON TIME.  Then we'll be talking about TRUE privation.

OTOH, at 6500 feet they must have great reception.
 
2013-01-30 08:35:37 AM  

dragonchild: cameroncrazy1984: nice to see that there still exists that kind of isolation today.

Nice?  They left to avoid persecution and constantly lived on the edge of famine.  Several of them died of starvation or organ failure.

I find the social dynamics fascinating, though.  In an environment with little margin for error, they usually had just enough talent in the right areas to keep the family alive.  The dude who could walk barefoot in snow and sleep outdoors without dying of exposure was amazing to read about.  Part of me wishes I could've beaten the derp out of the authoritarian guy, but a lot of these neighborhood fatties where I live could use a winter or two in Siberia.


LOL! I did spend a winter in Siberia. Now I'm fat and happy to be as far away from there as possible; I happen to enjoy food - and by that I mean stuff I don't have to farking trap. I hate the fark out of having to survive on my fancy good looks alone :)

Next time you eat, think on all those people dotted across the wilderness who have to put up with that bullshiat all their poor lives.

It amuses me to no end how many people here rag on how modern tech has softened us up too much. Are you farking kidding me? Kids die all over the world of shiat we can treat with a single shot of vaccine. That is not the path to human success. Here, at least most children can expect to survive their parents and it's considered a tragedy when they don't. There are parts of the world where that isn't true.
 
2013-01-30 08:36:42 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.


i18.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-30 08:39:40 AM  

dittybopper: tinfoil-hat maggie: dittybopper: Mart Laar's beard shaver: There are a lot of Old Believers still left, around the coasts of Lake Peipsi

No Peipsi. Coke.

I'm guessing this is an old joke where you live?
/Um well okay then ; )

Yeah. It's an old joke where *WE* come from.


LoL, I still liked it, and really ya can't outmatch me on the where "we" come from card : )
 
2013-01-30 08:45:37 AM  

jso2897: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

[i18.photobucket.com image 384x400]


I have no idea what that picture has to do with anything but OMG so cute. oh yea thanks for messing with all my maternal feelings, just to play with a troll. Okay I'm sorta kidding, no really I have no maternal feelings.
 
2013-01-30 08:47:14 AM  
Interesting read. I read a story about the human experience and, welcome to fark, there are dipshiats in here turning it into a political pissing match. Or really one dipshiat from Floriduh.
 
2013-01-30 08:50:31 AM  

david_gaithersburg: I'm glad to see that you are willing to admit that the "Western Progressive movements" is communism, we need more of that sort of honesty.

Now please educate me on the differences.


I refuse to further engage you. At no point did I say that Western Progressive Movements were Communism. As you have already twisted my few words into something unrecognizable, I feel it would be a waste of my time to actively attempt to educate you. So, I will leave you with these:

1. You bear all the hallmarks of a willfully ignorant fool
2. If you wish to prove me wrong, read the following Wikipedia article on Progressive Movements and acknowledge how nearly everything you listed as similarities to Stalin's regime are false: Wikipedia's Article on Progressivism
 
2013-01-30 08:54:33 AM  

miss diminutive: The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.


Probably all the pine nut shells and potato peels littering the floor. The clotted blood makes mighty fine insulation and floor polish.
 
2013-01-30 08:56:05 AM  

david_gaithersburg: What are the differences?

Similarities:
Both believe that success is to be punished.
Both believe that rights and freedoms should be bestowed to the people by the government.
Both believe in religious intolerance and bigotry.
Both believe in government control of the press.
Both believe in one party political systems.

These are not traits of "Stalin's communism", but communism itself. I'm glad to see that you are willing to admit that the "Western Progressive movements" is communism, we need more of that sort of honesty.

Now please educate me on the differences.


Don't set the hook quite yet... you can keep this going a little longer.
 
2013-01-30 08:58:40 AM  

tinfoil-hat maggie: dittybopper: tinfoil-hat maggie: dittybopper: Mart Laar's beard shaver: There are a lot of Old Believers still left, around the coasts of Lake Peipsi

No Peipsi. Coke.

I'm guessing this is an old joke where you live?
/Um well okay then ; )

Yeah. It's an old joke where *WE* come from.

LoL, I still liked it, and really ya can't outmatch me on the where "we" come from card : )


Challenge *ACCEPTED*.

Andrews Sisters song about cunnilingus.
 
2013-01-30 08:59:20 AM  

DrunkenBob: miss diminutive: The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.

Probably all the pine nut shells and potato peels littering the floor. The clotted blood makes mighty fine insulation and floor polish.


It's a floor wax *AND* a dessert topping!
 
2013-01-30 09:08:13 AM  

maskedloser: It amuses me to no end how many people here rag on how modern tech has softened us up too much. Are you farking kidding me? Kids die all over the world of shiat we can treat with a single shot of vaccine. That is not the path to human success. Here, at least most children can expect to survive their parents and it's considered a tragedy when they don't. There are parts of the world where that isn't true.


Well, there is something in the middle. And if you think modern life hasn't made us soft and spoiled, just watch someone drive to their mailbox, jump on a motorized cart at Wal-Mart after they walked in from the parking lot, or leave their vehicle running for half an hour while they go shopping, because it's 30 degrees outside and they don't want their car to get cold.

Like somebody said the other day, we're about two generations away from Wall-E.

/I'd go with 3 generations, but without the space travel. We'll just be driving over all the garbage, completely isolated from the outside world with our self-driving cars and headphones that shield every outside noise from us.
 
2013-01-30 09:10:06 AM  
Great find subby. Thanks.
 
2013-01-30 09:15:46 AM  

dittybopper: tinfoil-hat maggie: dittybopper: tinfoil-hat maggie: dittybopper: Mart Laar's beard shaver: There are a lot of Old Believers still left, around the coasts of Lake Peipsi

No Peipsi. Coke.

I'm guessing this is an old joke where you live?
/Um well okay then ; )

Yeah. It's an old joke where *WE* come from.

LoL, I still liked it, and really ya can't outmatch me on the where "we" come from card : )

Challenge *ACCEPTED*.

Andrews Sisters song about cunnilingus.


Well Im sure you're a cunning linguist, I was born in Georgia was moved to Texas and then had to settle in Alabama. Well it was one of the nicer parts of the state but still. And no I can't break codes but we can debate who is the most cunning linguist ; ) Okay really we shouldn't do that : )
 
2013-01-30 09:17:18 AM  

cryinoutloud: maskedloser: It amuses me to no end how many people here rag on how modern tech has softened us up too much. Are you farking kidding me? Kids die all over the world of shiat we can treat with a single shot of vaccine. That is not the path to human success. Here, at least most children can expect to survive their parents and it's considered a tragedy when they don't. There are parts of the world where that isn't true.

Well, there is something in the middle. And if you think modern life hasn't made us soft and spoiled, just watch someone drive to their mailbox, jump on a motorized cart at Wal-Mart after they walked in from the parking lot, or leave their vehicle running for half an hour while they go shopping, because it's 30 degrees outside and they don't want their car to get cold.

Like somebody said the other day, we're about two generations away from Wall-E.

/I'd go with 3 generations, but without the space travel. We'll just be driving over all the garbage, completely isolated from the outside world with our self-driving cars and headphones that shield every outside noise from us.


Okay, yeah; I actually have seen shiat like that, and I do a WTF double-take. But I have, surprisingly, a bit more faith in humanity than some people. People live soft because they can - such is the case with my situation. I can also live hard, and I have. The way I see it, people will eventually start moving towards a middle ground out of necessity. Rather than the Wall-E world, I expect to see massive recycling efforts. In a survival situation, one uses everything. Nothing - absolutely nothing - is wasted.
 
2013-01-30 09:24:40 AM  

eldritch2k4: david_gaithersburg: I'm glad to see that you are willing to admit that the "Western Progressive movements" is communism, we need more of that sort of honesty.

Now please educate me on the differences.

I refuse to further engage you. At no point did I say that Western Progressive Movements were Communism. As you have already twisted my few words into something unrecognizable, I feel it would be a waste of my time to actively attempt to educate you. So, I will leave you with these:

1. You bear all the hallmarks of a willfully ignorant fool
2. If you wish to prove me wrong, read the following Wikipedia article on Progressive Movements and acknowledge how nearly everything you listed as similarities to Stalin's regime are false: Wikipedia's Article on Progressivism


.
I took the time to read the Wiki entry. It reminds me of the observation of how people often view themselves much differently than others view them.
 
2013-01-30 09:25:06 AM  

Ishkur: Hey libertarians: You want to live in a completely free society?

That's where you should go. In Siberia no one will ever crush your freedoms or suppress your rights..... nor even notice you are there.


How do you manage to dress yourself in the morning?
 
2013-01-30 09:26:51 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.


So much this.
 
mjl
2013-01-30 09:28:07 AM  

dragonchild: mjl: Its hard, perhaps impossible, for a small group to make sufficient preparations to last decades of total isolation.

It's the difference between survival (which is to live long enough to GTFO) and settlement.  These people were settlers, and sadly not very good at it (why would they be, they're exiles), though they had the resolve when it counted.

Survival is about making sure you don't run out of supplies.  Settlement requires your own ground-up infrastructure.  The challenge here is that this is Siberia; harsh environments have a higher overhead.


I'd beg to differ I'd say they were brilliant settlers as they survived and brought up children over 25 years, without outside assistance under extraordinarily harsh conditions. All they lacked was people... one or two more family's and they could have had done it in more comfort.
 
2013-01-30 09:29:31 AM  

KrispyKritter: i found that a very difficult read for their suffering. the murder of the mans brother led them to this paltry existence. i doubt putin's clowns will do the right thing and see to it the family gets to live out their lives in warmth and comfort with full stomachs and Mtv.


This was back in 1978.
 
2013-01-30 09:31:20 AM  
It would be nice if we could have thread where farkers on the right and left didn't feel the need to trash the other side.

Interesting read subby, thanks for the link. I can't imagine what it took to live that way, but i also can't imagine what it would have been like to have been persicuted by the gov't i that fashioin.
 
2013-01-30 09:32:18 AM  

Yes this is dog: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

Come on, you aren't even trying hard anymore.


I know it's a difficult concept for some to comprehend, but he is absolutely correct.
 
2013-01-30 09:33:38 AM  

david_gaithersburg:
What are the differences?

Similarities:
Both believe that success is to be punished.
Both believe that rights and freedoms should be bestowed to the people by the government.
Both believe in religious intolerance and bigotry.
Both believe in government control of the press.
Both believe in one party political systems.

These are not traits of "Stalin's communism", but communism itself. I'm glad to see that you are willing to admit that the "Western Progressive movements" is communism, we need more of that sort of honesty.

Now please educate me on the differences.


"Mr. Obama, how long are you going to continue killing people?"

The American President quietly answered: "As long as it is necessary."
 
2013-01-30 09:33:44 AM  

proteus_b: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

You think you're Thomas Jefferson but you're really just an idiot...


Ah yes, name calling. The last and best "progressive" argument.
 
2013-01-30 09:38:21 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Yes this is dog: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

Come on, you aren't even trying hard anymore.

I know it's a difficult concept for some to comprehend, but he is absolutely correct.



"Progressives are communists because those are both bad words I heard on the TV!"
 
2013-01-30 09:38:24 AM  

dittybopper: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: That was incredibly depressing.

These aren't some wild animals where you have to watch with stoicism as their young get eaten by predators. These are human beings. If they don't want to be airlifted out of there to save their lives, fark 'em! They're clearly not thinking straight, since they've lived out in the woods for decades. Save their lives now, and deal with the emotional fallout later.

Why? As you said, they aren't wild animals, so they get a choice. You don't get to make that choice for them. If they want to stay, I say let them. Drop them some cheap supplies if you want, and maybe try to gradually convince them it's better in Modern Russia, but if they want to die there, that's ultimately their choice.


i895.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-30 09:38:28 AM  

Deep Contact: Wow, no guns or bows or years of food supplies. What kind of preppers are these people?


I thought this was curious. A functioning bow is extremely easy to make. If you have 20+ years to experiment, you more or less can figure it out yourself. They seem lazy.
 
2013-01-30 09:41:55 AM  

mjl: I'd beg to differ I'd say they were brilliant settlers as they survived and brought up children over 25 years, without outside assistance under extraordinarily harsh conditions.


They lost several people to starvation or organ failure, stubbornly tried to grow crops and even after several decades living next to a river, never learned to trap or fish.

Survival is its own reward in Siberia so it may sound like I'm being ITG levels of harsh, but what I see is a rather tragic story.  They never would've been out there in the first place if not for having to run away.  In many occasions they got by on sheer tenacity.
 
2013-01-30 09:44:25 AM  

the_colors: There are people who don't have david_gaithersburg on ignore? Huh. I quickly get sick of threadshiatters.


Just for you...

t3.gstatic.com and 3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-30 09:45:44 AM  

greenboy: Deep Contact: Wow, no guns or bows or years of food supplies. What kind of preppers are these people?

I thought this was curious. A functioning bow is extremely easy to make. If you have 20+ years to experiment, you more or less can figure it out yourself. They seem lazy.


I thought it was a little odd, too, but then again maybe there's some Old Believer code thing going on there. The man who hunted bare-foot, though - now that is bad ass. I wouldn't go out there without a rifle and four layers of clothing. And I sure as hell wouldn't go out there alone. That's an easy way to die.
 
2013-01-30 09:46:34 AM  

david_gaithersburg: the_colors: There are people who don't have david_gaithersburg on ignore? Huh. I quickly get sick of threadshiatters.

Anyway, this was a fascinating read. Farking Russia, man. I guess this is as close as we'll ever get to having time travelers from the past visit our wacky future.

.
Not everyone is afraid of different ideas and open debate. I expect I'll get banned for pointing out that these people fled into the wild to keep from being murdered with the other 20,000,000 people who lost their lives during The Great Purge.


It's so sad, how so many otherwise intelligent younger people have been trained like poodles to think only inside carefully-defined little boxes.
 
2013-01-30 09:50:40 AM  

dittybopper: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: That was incredibly depressing.

These aren't some wild animals where you have to watch with stoicism as their young get eaten by predators. These are human beings. If they don't want to be airlifted out of there to save their lives, fark 'em! They're clearly not thinking straight, since they've lived out in the woods for decades. Save their lives now, and deal with the emotional fallout later.

Why? As you said, they aren't wild animals, so they get a choice. You don't get to make that choice for them. If they want to stay, I say let them. Drop them some cheap supplies if you want, and maybe try to gradually convince them it's better in Modern Russia, but if they want to die there, that's ultimately their choice.


Don't bother arguing and using logic. He's a Control Freak.
 
2013-01-30 09:50:52 AM  

maskedloser: The man who hunted bare-foot, though - now that is bad ass. I wouldn't go out there without a rifle and four layers of clothing. And I sure as hell wouldn't go out there alone. That's an easy way to die.


The only thought that comes to mind is that he became capable of it because he had to.  The article makes it seem like he supported the entire family for extended periods of time.  Beyond loyalty to his relatives, it wasn't really a choice.
 
2013-01-30 09:55:09 AM  
Wow, after having finished this article, I will say, go ahead and be a separatist nutter all you want ("separatist" rather than "libertarian" because most of these idiots tend to do things that infringe on the rights of others like burning their garbage and doing their laundry in public waterways), but to raise children in the manner described in the article is clearly abusive and should not be tolerated.
 
2013-01-30 09:56:10 AM  
Fascinating article, and interesting trolling attempts in this thread. This has been a good day of reading thus far.
Thanks to subby and the trolls.
 
2013-01-30 09:56:53 AM  

greenboy: Deep Contact: Wow, no guns or bows or years of food supplies. What kind of preppers are these people?

I thought this was curious. A functioning bow is extremely easy to make. If you have 20+ years to experiment, you more or less can figure it out yourself. They seem lazy.


See, this is where I thank the Universe and whatever deity may or may not be in charge of it that I was raised in a household where knowledge of weapons was commonplace.

Given the abundant raw materials there, I'm pretty sure I could gin up a bow, an atlatl, boomerangs (the non-returning hunting kind), a blowgun, traps, bolas, and all manner of game-getting devices. Hell, I've even taught myself how to knap flint, so I'm good to go there, too.
 
2013-01-30 09:58:47 AM  

Long Pig: Fascinating article, and interesting trolling attempts in this thread. This has been a good day of reading thus far.
Thanks to subby and the trolls.


.
Honest intellectual dialog = trolling

Screaming and name calling = well thought out post
 
2013-01-30 09:58:49 AM  

JT82: Deep Contact: Wow, no guns or bows or years of food supplies. What kind of preppers are these people?

No, but they could chase and animal into exhaustion.

Cool story.


You know, that's the oldest known method of hunting animals. Most animals can run faster than a human, but not farther than a human (at least one in good physical condition). Even animals we consider built for long distance travel, like horses, will collapse and die from running too long long before a human will, which is why when going for long distance speed on a horse you have to trot so far then gallop a ways, then trot again, then gallop again, and repeat. Such long endurance exertion causes edema, and their lungs fill with blood.
 
2013-01-30 09:58:56 AM  

eldritch2k4: david_gaithersburg: LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you

.
FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.

And the facts you bring up would not offend anyone were it not for your (implied) comparison of Western Progressive movements to Stalin's version of Communism. I, too, believe that education is the best defense against ignorance and it may do you good to look up the differences between two groups who use similar terms before equating them.


You should look at the nature of the revolutionary groups in Russia prior to the Lenin Coup. The similarities with so-called progressive groups now in America is striking. You should also look at the natural progression/evolution of leadership style/content in a collectivist social system. As a matter of cold,m hard fact, a Stalinist system is the logical, historically necessary outgrowth of "Progressive" collectivist ethics.

Oh, btw, another logical, historically necessary element is that the new Glorious Leader's first or close to first actions is to purge (i.e.: exterminate) all of the starry-eyed useful idiots ("progressives") whose eager beaver hard work put him in power.
 
2013-01-30 10:00:02 AM  

dragonchild: maskedloser: The man who hunted bare-foot, though - now that is bad ass. I wouldn't go out there without a rifle and four layers of clothing. And I sure as hell wouldn't go out there alone. That's an easy way to die.

The only thought that comes to mind is that he became capable of it because he had to.  The article makes it seem like he supported the entire family for extended periods of time.  Beyond loyalty to his relatives, it wasn't really a choice.


Oh, I'm aware of that. People can do some pretty amazing things to survive. Never met her, but I heard about one woman up there who grew grapes in her winter greenhouse.

It's beautiful and lush in the "summer," but the ground never really thaws completely before winter hits again. The trees are generally pine and other hardy stuff. The fact anyone could survive cut off from everyone else, in the taiga no less - it's not a thing most people could do unarmed and improperly clothed. It's admirable and a bit scary.

People are capable of a lot more than they think. I didn't think I could do a quarter of the shiat I had to do. No options? No choice. Which is one of about a million reasons why I love Canada so much.
 
2013-01-30 10:01:35 AM  
I just found that disturbing. Other than the idea of people living like that, totally isolated from society and fighting for survival every minute of every day, it's sad to think of what they could have become if they'd had a chance to develop their talents.
 
2013-01-30 10:03:55 AM  

violentsalvation: That was neat, thanks subby.


+1 many thanks for that. I'm going to have my kids read it.
 
2013-01-30 10:04:47 AM  

kvinesknows: sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?


Not after her dad got to her, I'm sure. Weird backwoods religion..
 
2013-01-30 10:06:14 AM  

dittybopper: I've even taught myself how to knap flint, so I'm good to go there, too.


If you post that picture of your goddamn arrowhead one more time I will start having ITG dreams about hunting you down and ramming it down your throat.
 
2013-01-30 10:06:38 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Long Pig: Fascinating article, and interesting trolling attempts in this thread. This has been a good day of reading thus far.
Thanks to subby and the trolls.

.
Honest intellectual dialog = trolling

Screaming and name calling = well thought out post


Sorry, it's not worth the effort seriously engaging someone who is asserting that soviet communists=American liberals, the same way it's no longer worth the time and effort it takes correcting someone who says the president was born in Kenya.

You didn't appear to put any time and effort into forming that opinion, no reason I should put any time or effort into correcting it.
 
2013-01-30 10:11:05 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: eldritch2k4: david_gaithersburg: LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you

.
FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.

And the facts you bring up would not offend anyone were it not for your (implied) comparison of Western Progressive movements to Stalin's version of Communism. I, too, believe that education is the best defense against ignorance and it may do you good to look up the differences between two groups who use similar terms before equating them.

You should look at the nature of the revolutionary groups in Russia prior to the Lenin Coup. The similarities with so-called progressive groups now in America is striking. You should also look at the natural progression/evolution of leadership style/content in a collectivist social system. As a matter of cold,m hard fact, a Stalinist system is the logical, historically necessary outgrowth of "Progressive" collectivist ethics.

Oh, btw, another logical, historically necessary element is that the new Glorious Leader's first or close to first actions is to purge (i.e.: exterminate) all of the starry-eyed useful idiots ("progressives") whose eager beaver hard work put him in power.


Why do you bother writing so many words, when it would be just as easy to say "I don't know what the word communism means"?
 
2013-01-30 10:16:43 AM  
david_gaithersburg not sure if troll, or just pants on head retarded.

either way you know nothing about progressivism except what your farking media overlords have spoonfed you, and that's a load of bullshiat.

grow up you pants-shiatting coward.
 
2013-01-30 10:20:08 AM  

Long Pig: subby and the trolls.


I call the Band Name!!!
 
2013-01-30 10:23:29 AM  
That was a great article, fascinating. Thanks subby.
 
2013-01-30 10:24:08 AM  

udhq: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: eldritch2k4: david_gaithersburg: LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you

.
FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.

And the facts you bring up would not offend anyone were it not for your (implied) comparison of Western Progressive movements to Stalin's version of Communism. I, too, believe that education is the best defense against ignorance and it may do you good to look up the differences between two groups who use similar terms before equating them.

You should look at the nature of the revolutionary groups in Russia prior to the Lenin Coup. The similarities with so-called progressive groups now in America is striking. You should also look at the natural progression/evolution of leadership style/content in a collectivist social system. As a matter of cold,m hard fact, a Stalinist system is the logical, historically necessary outgrowth of "Progressive" collectivist ethics.

Oh, btw, another logical, historically necessary element is that the new Glorious Leader's first or close to first actions is to purge (i.e.: exterminate) all of the starry-eyed useful idiots ("progressives") whose eager beaver hard work put him in power.

Why do you bother writing so many words, when it would be just as easy to say "I don't know what the word communism means"?


Actually I do. Probably better than you.

Are you aware that "Communism" has never existed except in small, short lived communes? Even the Communist Party of the Soviet Union admitted publicly in their 50th All-Soviet Congress that the Russian Soviet system had an "indeterminate" number of decades to go until The State withered away and "Communism" arrived.

/Degree in Political Science (Comparative Political/Economic Systems).
//Please try again.
 
2013-01-30 10:24:40 AM  

KrispyKritter: i found that a very difficult read for their suffering. the murder of the mans brother led them to this paltry existence. i doubt putin's clowns will do the right thing and see to it the family gets to live out their lives in warmth and comfort with full stomachs and Mtv.


FFS, did you read TFA?
 
2013-01-30 10:26:28 AM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: That was incredibly depressing.

These aren't some wild animals where you have to watch with stoicism as their young get eaten by predators. These are human beings. If they don't want to be airlifted out of there to save their lives, fark 'em! They're clearly not thinking straight, since they've lived out in the woods for decades. Save their lives now, and deal with the emotional fallout later.


So it's better to beg for forgiveness than to ask for permission?
 
2013-01-30 10:30:29 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: udhq: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: eldritch2k4: david_gaithersburg: LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you

.
FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.

And the facts you bring up would not offend anyone were it not for your (implied) comparison of Western Progressive movements to Stalin's version of Communism. I, too, believe that education is the best defense against ignorance and it may do you good to look up the differences between two groups who use similar terms before equating them.

You should look at the nature of the revolutionary groups in Russia prior to the Lenin Coup. The similarities with so-called progressive groups now in America is striking. You should also look at the natural progression/evolution of leadership style/content in a collectivist social system. As a matter of cold,m hard fact, a Stalinist system is the logical, historically necessary outgrowth of "Progressive" collectivist ethics.

Oh, btw, another logical, historically necessary element is that the new Glorious Leader's first or close to first actions is to purge (i.e.: exterminate) all of the starry-eyed useful idiots ("progressives") whose eager beaver hard work put him in power.

Why do you bother writing so many words, when it would be just as easy to say "I don't know what the word communism means"?

Actually I do. Probably better than you.

Are you aware that "Communism" has never existed except in small, short lived communes? Even the Communist Party of ...


So what you're saying is that you DO actually know better, and you're simply feigning ignorance to make cheap political points?

Color me shocked.
 
2013-01-30 10:35:04 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: How do you manage to dress yourself in the morning?


With great vigor.
 
2013-01-30 10:35:05 AM  

dragonchild: dittybopper: I've even taught myself how to knap flint, so I'm good to go there, too.

If you post that picture of your goddamn arrowhead one more time I will start having ITG dreams about hunting you down and ramming it down your throat.


I wasn't planning on it, but since you asked so nicely:

i45.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-30 10:39:03 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Actually I do. Probably better than you.

Are you aware that "Communism" has never existed except in small, short lived communes? Even the Communist Party of the Soviet Union admitted publicly in their 50th All-Soviet Congress that the Russian Soviet system had an "indeterminate" number of decades to go until The State withered away and "Communism" arrived.

/Degree in Political Science (Comparative Political/Economic Systems).
//Please try again.


Ah, yes, one of those "It's never been tried" people.

Well, you know, I'm of the opinion that if you have to murder tens of millions of people in order to move towards it, maybe, just maybe, it ain't worth the cost.

It was tried, just not successfully, because it fights against human nature. You can convince a small group to do it, for a time, but you can convince a small group of just about anything, at least temporarily.
 
2013-01-30 10:46:47 AM  
When the zombie apocalypse comes, it will be people like this that will survive.
 
2013-01-30 10:49:30 AM  
Interesting story. This thread has been useful for highlighting some more people I need to put on ignore, too. Either they really believe the nonsense they spew and have the IQ of moldy horsepoop or they're excellent trolls and bad human beings.

Nothing like a Fark thread to make me hate humanity once again.
 
2013-01-30 10:49:52 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: /Degree in Political Science (Comparative Political/Economic Systems).


And you're an accountant by trade! And you know enough about science and physics to know when it's not! (which basically amounts to anything you can't understand, but hey -- lets not mince degrees here).

Truly you are a modern Renaissance man.
 
2013-01-30 10:58:15 AM  

SFSailor: Dragging your family 150 miles into the Siberian outback to live cut off from society, in near-fathom conditions with no salt and not much more than birch bark and potatoes for decades is not normal... but on religion, it is.

Religion: Not even once.


You act like that isn't less grueling than the usual Russian experience.
 
2013-01-30 11:00:59 AM  

Queensowntalia: Interesting story. This thread has been useful for highlighting some more people I need to put on ignore, too. Either they really believe the nonsense they spew and have the IQ of moldy horsepoop or they're excellent trolls and bad human beings.

Nothing like a Fark thread to make me hate humanity once again.


Yes, because people online act the exactly the same way in life.
 
2013-01-30 11:16:59 AM  

Evil Mackerel: Queensowntalia: Interesting story. This thread has been useful for highlighting some more people I need to put on ignore, too. Either they really believe the nonsense they spew and have the IQ of moldy horsepoop or they're excellent trolls and bad human beings.

Nothing like a Fark thread to make me hate humanity once again.

Yes, because people online act the exactly the same way in life.


It's true. For instance, all I do all day is walk around showing people captioned pictures of cats.
 
2013-01-30 11:21:28 AM  

Ishkur: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: /Degree in Political Science (Comparative Political/Economic Systems).

And you're an accountant by trade! And you know enough about science and physics to know when it's not! (which basically amounts to anything you can't understand, but hey -- lets not mince degrees here).

Truly you are a modern Renaissance man.


.
Some of the best accountants I know don't have degrees in Accounting.
 
2013-01-30 11:22:19 AM  
Also misses salt:

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-30 11:41:07 AM  

Queensowntalia: Evil Mackerel: Queensowntalia: Interesting story. This thread has been useful for highlighting some more people I need to put on ignore, too. Either they really believe the nonsense they spew and have the IQ of moldy horsepoop or they're excellent trolls and bad human beings.

Nothing like a Fark thread to make me hate humanity once again.

Yes, because people online act the exactly the same way in life.

It's true. For instance, all I do all day is walk around showing people captioned pictures of cats.


I feel strangely compelled to hug you now.
 
2013-01-30 11:44:16 AM  
What they really found is the last man in Russia that wasn't drafted for service in WWII.
 
2013-01-30 12:11:13 PM  

dittybopper: I wasn't planning on it


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2013-01-30 12:21:59 PM  

kvinesknows: sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?


I doubt it. When I lived in Alaska I became friends with a native chick that came from one of the remote northern villages. Apparently it was a rite of passage into womanhood for a young girl to have sex with all the male members of the family, (brothers, dad, grandpa). She told me that it is very common for girls being forced to do this out there. After knowing that I asked a few girls I knew from other native villages and they said the same thing.
 
2013-01-30 12:42:55 PM  

Tenatra: kvinesknows: sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?

I doubt it. When I lived in Alaska I became friends with a native chick that came from one of the remote northern villages. Apparently it was a rite of passage into womanhood for a young girl to have sex with all the male members of the family, (brothers, dad, grandpa). She told me that it is very common for girls being forced to do this out there. After knowing that I asked a few girls I knew from other native villages and they said the same thing.


Yikes. I'll have to cross "remote eskimo village chick" off my list of exotic chicks I'd like to fark.
 
2013-01-30 01:00:55 PM  

Mark Ratner: Tenatra: kvinesknows: sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?

I doubt it. When I lived in Alaska I became friends with a native chick that came from one of the remote northern villages. Apparently it was a rite of passage into womanhood for a young girl to have sex with all the male members of the family, (brothers, dad, grandpa). She told me that it is very common for girls being forced to do this out there. After knowing that I asked a few girls I knew from other native villages and they said the same thing.

Yikes. I'll have to add "remote eskimo village chick" to my list of exotic chicks I'd like to fark.



FTFY
 
2013-01-30 01:09:18 PM  
So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
 
2013-01-30 01:09:37 PM  

deanis: FTFY


Seriously?

Apparently it was a rite of passage into womanhood for a young girl to have sex with all the male members of the family, (brothers, dad, grandpa).

No thanks. Last thing I need is to get harpooned by the crazy jealous uncle when he sees me leaving her igloo in the morning.
 
2013-01-30 01:10:03 PM  
DANGIT.
 
2013-01-30 01:28:36 PM  

KrispyKritter: i found that a very difficult read for their suffering. the murder of the mans brother led them to this paltry existence. i doubt putin's clowns will do the right thing and see to it the family gets to live out their lives in warmth and comfort with full stomachs and Mtv.


No, religion led them to that paltry existence.
 
2013-01-30 01:30:39 PM  

Mark Ratner: deanis: FTFY

Seriously?

Apparently it was a rite of passage into womanhood for a young girl to have sex with all the male members of the family, (brothers, dad, grandpa).

No thanks. Last thing I need is to get harpooned by the crazy jealous uncle when he sees me leaving her igloo in the morning.


i keed, i keed.
 
2013-01-30 01:34:12 PM  

DrunkenBob: miss diminutive: The pampered consumerist in me finds this story appalling and wonders what those women used for tampons.

Probably all the pine nut shells and potato peels littering the floor. The clotted blood makes mighty fine insulation and floor polish.


They probably don't get periods due to starvation.
 
2013-01-30 01:35:21 PM  
Push comes to shove, I can fake a religion or lack thereof.
 
2013-01-30 01:43:23 PM  

dragonchild: dittybopper: I wasn't planning on it

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It only appears that way because I wasn't actually lying.
 
2013-01-30 01:44:11 PM  

Mark Ratner: Yikes. I'll have to cross "remote eskimo village chick" off my list of exotic chicks I'd like to fark.


Seems to me they'd be more experienced.
 
2013-01-30 02:18:39 PM  

illuminatis: some people seem to be laboring under the impression that this is a news story.
It comes from 1978, that is the same year i was born. Not really news, more like olds.

/interesting story though



Except for the part where the last known surviving woman wrote a letter asking for help last year
 
2013-01-30 02:37:02 PM  
Wow, rarely comment and have never put anyone on ignore but O.C. and David made this thread really painfully stupid when it didn't need to be.
 
2013-01-30 03:01:13 PM  

Mark Ratner: Tenatra: kvinesknows: sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?

I doubt it. When I lived in Alaska I became friends with a native chick that came from one of the remote northern villages. Apparently it was a rite of passage into womanhood for a young girl to have sex with all the male members of the family, (brothers, dad, grandpa). She told me that it is very common for girls being forced to do this out there. After knowing that I asked a few girls I knew from other native villages and they said the same thing.

Yikes. I'll have to cross "remote eskimo village chick" off my list of exotic chicks I'd like to fark.


welll... given that she turned into a woman 60 years agoo.... still should be tight right?
 
2013-01-30 03:29:21 PM  
Congrats, subby, you beat me by 13 minutes with this link. The thread has me thinking of "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress", the scene where the crime boss doesn't even get from transport to airlock because he wasn't paying attention. Related as a lunar lore story, not part of the narrative.
 
2013-01-30 03:40:25 PM  
Thus it was in the remote south of the forest in the summer of 1978.
 
2013-01-30 03:48:42 PM  
This is old news. I read about it at least 15 years ago.
 
2013-01-30 04:41:12 PM  

greenboy: Deep Contact: Wow, no guns or bows or years of food supplies. What kind of preppers are these people?

I thought this was curious. A functioning bow is extremely easy to make. If you have 20+ years to experiment, you more or less can figure it out yourself. They seem lazy.


A spear, even. Hell, Neanderthals figured out pretty quick that running down an animal was inefficient. They lived next to a freshwater stream and made hemp twine. It never crossed their minds to make a fishnet or fishing pole? Even if the stream froze in the winter, catch enough fish over spring and summer to smoke/dry for winter. Same with picking berries. The filth and the disrepair seems more like crazy than lazy. And I'll bet a million smackeroos that incest happened.
 
2013-01-30 10:44:29 PM  

Mark Ratner: Tenatra: kvinesknows: sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?

I doubt it. When I lived in Alaska I became friends with a native chick that came from one of the remote northern villages. Apparently it was a rite of passage into womanhood for a young girl to have sex with all the male members of the family, (brothers, dad, grandpa). She told me that it is very common for girls being forced to do this out there. After knowing that I asked a few girls I knew from other native villages and they said the same thing.

Yikes. I'll have to cross "remote eskimo village chick" off my list of exotic chicks I'd like to fark.


------

Before you do anything drastic - Eskimo porn star Maya Hills. Born in Siberia.

bytedown.tv
 
2013-01-30 10:51:22 PM  
That was an awesome article
 
2013-01-30 11:42:57 PM  
I wonder if the movie Nell was based in part on this story, especially the part about the daughters way of speaking.
 
2013-01-31 12:18:38 AM  

udhq: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Yes this is dog: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

Come on, you aren't even trying hard anymore.

I know it's a difficult concept for some to comprehend, but he is absolutely correct.


"Progressives are communists because those are both bad words I heard on the TV!"


Project much?
 
2013-01-31 12:25:15 AM  

udhq: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: udhq: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: eldritch2k4: david_gaithersburg: LewDux: david_gaithersburg: Interesting article reminding us of the dangers posed by so-called-progressives.

yeah, blame Peter The Great, why don't you

.
FTFA

"During the purges of the 1930s, with Christianity itself under assault, a Communist patrol had shot Lykov's brother on the outskirts of their village while Lykov knelt working beside him. He had responded by scooping up his family and bolting into forest."

I do not mean to offend anyone with facts, I'm just trying to stop people from repeating a horrid and bloody very recent history. I believe that education is the best defense against ignorance.

And the facts you bring up would not offend anyone were it not for your (implied) comparison of Western Progressive movements to Stalin's version of Communism. I, too, believe that education is the best defense against ignorance and it may do you good to look up the differences between two groups who use similar terms before equating them.

You should look at the nature of the revolutionary groups in Russia prior to the Lenin Coup. The similarities with so-called progressive groups now in America is striking. You should also look at the natural progression/evolution of leadership style/content in a collectivist social system. As a matter of cold,m hard fact, a Stalinist system is the logical, historically necessary outgrowth of "Progressive" collectivist ethics.

Oh, btw, another logical, historically necessary element is that the new Glorious Leader's first or close to first actions is to purge (i.e.: exterminate) all of the starry-eyed useful idiots ("progressives") whose eager beaver hard work put him in power.

Why do you bother writing so many words, when it would be just as easy to say "I don't know what the word communism means"?

Actually I do. Probably better than you.

Are you aware that "Communism" has never existed except in small, short lived communes? Even the Communist Party of ...


So what you're saying is that you DO actually know better, and you're simply feigning ignorance to make cheap political points?

Color me shocked. 

Kewl. You just gave a perfect example of getting pwned, ignoring that fact, and declaring victory.
 
2013-01-31 01:53:08 AM  

soundguy: Mark Ratner: Tenatra: kvinesknows: sooo its lkely that surviving chick is a virgin right?

I doubt it. When I lived in Alaska I became friends with a native chick that came from one of the remote northern villages. Apparently it was a rite of passage into womanhood for a young girl to have sex with all the male members of the family, (brothers, dad, grandpa). She told me that it is very common for girls being forced to do this out there. After knowing that I asked a few girls I knew from other native villages and they said the same thing.

Yikes. I'll have to cross "remote eskimo village chick" off my list of exotic chicks I'd like to fark.

------

Before you do anything drastic - Eskimo porn star Maya Hills. Born in Siberia.

[bytedown.tv image 600x900]


Fark is an impressive school
 
2013-01-31 02:30:53 AM  

Kazan: grow up you pants-shiatting coward.


There is that, if someone is afraid of American progressives, that's pretty lame-o.
 
2013-01-31 08:00:16 AM  

gibbon1: Kazan: grow up you pants-shiatting coward.

There is that, if someone is afraid of American progressives, that's pretty lame-o.


To which I will add that sometimes, progress isn't.
 
2013-02-02 08:38:26 AM  

vudukungfu: Long Pig: subby and the trolls.

I call the Band Name!!!


Only if you mention me in the liner notes of your first CD.
 
2013-02-02 08:52:08 AM  

WeenerGord: I wonder if the movie Nell was based in part on this story, especially the part about the daughters way of speaking.


While the similarity of isolation is there, that's where the common ground ends between Nell and the article. The family was isolated for over 40 years. "Nell" highlighted a phenomenon known as "twin speak", which twins usually outgrow by adulthood. I'd get you some links, but I hate typing long posts on my phone.
 
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