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2013-01-29 09:09:45 PM
Outdoor flares fired indoors? Check

2000 people in a club with a max occupancy of 1000? Check

No sprinklers or functioning fire extinguishers? Check

Only one exit? Check

Clubs operating permit has been expired since August? Check

I certainly hope someone ends up jail for this.
 
2013-01-29 09:10:19 PM
Was that wrong?
 
2013-01-29 09:10:50 PM
Here in the USA our clubs are much more careful with pyrot.. Er, never mind.
 
2013-01-29 09:11:19 PM
Hold me close, Tony Danza.
 
2013-01-29 09:12:33 PM
Was it a Great White tribute band?
 
2013-01-29 09:13:40 PM
once fired, twice burned!
 
2013-01-29 09:14:23 PM
Welcome to Obama's Americas.

/Monroe Doctrine.
 
2013-01-29 09:14:34 PM

RatMaster999: Was it a Great White tribute band?


Tribute bands can be great but they rarely bring down the house.
 
2013-01-29 09:15:24 PM

fusillade762: Outdoor flares fired indoors? Check

2000 people in a club with a max occupancy of 1000? Check

No sprinklers or functioning fire extinguishers? Check

Only one exit? Check

Clubs operating permit has been expired since August? Check

I certainly hope someone ends up jail for this.


More than one person. Unless maybe one person does all those jobs.
 
2013-01-29 09:16:40 PM
Aside from that, the exit(s) were not clearly marked, the bouncers were originally stopping people from leaving and some exits were chained closed. Plus the whole club was a death trap in waiting.

I watched that 12 minute video of the Station fire in Rhode Island. It was so hard to watch, especially the part where the people were stacked atop each other in the doorway like a barrier, blocking anyone behind them from escaping.
 
2013-01-29 09:17:21 PM
Pyro in a club gig? Jesus, people!
 
2013-01-29 09:17:22 PM
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-01-29 09:17:58 PM
I can't imagine walking into a bar where there was fire purposely set indoors and staying more than 2 seconds.

Not happening.

Ever.
 
2013-01-29 09:18:17 PM
FTA: The foam, which emitted a toxic gas, was not proper soundproofing

Trying to get out of a fire? Here's some toxic gas for good measure.
/WTF?
 
2013-01-29 09:18:53 PM
That is a Great White problem
 
2013-01-29 09:19:42 PM
They should charge the band and its manager.
 
2013-01-29 09:20:25 PM
 
2013-01-29 09:20:50 PM

KopiLuwaked: That is a Great White problem


I was going to say.... I guess we know what country Great White ended up going to tour in.
 
2013-01-29 09:20:51 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: Hold me close, Tony Danza.


+1 internets
 
2013-01-29 09:21:57 PM

fusillade762: Outdoor flares fired indoors? Check

2000 people in a club with a max occupancy of 1000? Check

No sprinklers or functioning fire extinguishers? Check

Only one exit? Check

Clubs operating permit has been expired since August? Check

I certainly hope someone ends up jail for this.


There are about 5 in jail lat time I checked. One club owner, band manager, fire marshal who deemed the club safe, plus a few others. Some others are still on the run such as the second owner, and the band's singer who lit the fire.
 
2013-01-29 09:23:19 PM
Seems like a really inefficient way to cook human....
 
2013-01-29 09:23:41 PM
cache.gawker.com
I didn't bring outdoor torches.
 
2013-01-29 09:23:48 PM

Joe Peanut: fusillade762: Outdoor flares fired indoors? Check

2000 people in a club with a max occupancy of 1000? Check

No sprinklers or functioning fire extinguishers? Check

Only one exit? Check

Clubs operating permit has been expired since August? Check

I certainly hope someone ends up jail for this.

There are about 5 in jail lat time I checked. One club owner, band manager, fire marshal who deemed the club safe, plus a few others. Some others are still on the run such as the second owner, and the band's singer who lit the fire.


And the jailor man and sailor Sam will search forevermore...
 
2013-01-29 09:25:28 PM
Call me an asshole if you will, but I sincerely hope the band and their manager were among the fatalities
 
2013-01-29 09:28:37 PM

Abox:


[welltheresyourproblem.jpg]

Looks like the person came flying out the sunroof.

As for the story, sounds like the perfect storm of fires.

I've seen something similar (but with less people) on YouTube.
So all you people who shout DIAF,DIAF, you might have gotten your wish and should feel guilty.


/what the hell's an indoor flare?!
 
2013-01-29 09:30:37 PM

Joe Peanut: fusillade762: Outdoor flares fired indoors? Check

2000 people in a club with a max occupancy of 1000? Check

No sprinklers or functioning fire extinguishers? Check

Only one exit? Check

Clubs operating permit has been expired since August? Check

I certainly hope someone ends up jail for this.

There are about 5 in jail lat time I checked. One club owner, band manager, fire marshal who deemed the club safe, plus a few others. Some others are still on the run such as the second owner, and the band's singer who lit the fire.


Good hopefully there is an example set with these people.
 
2013-01-29 09:30:55 PM
Sorry, but that was not "the" reason. Having worked with a few bands that did nightclub appearances, I know that some venues are just not suited for pyro, period. Every time I read about some disaster like this, I feel glad for every time I told my employers "no pyro tonight" due to small stage crowded with combustible materials. Was happy to endure the shouting and threats that followed, knowing that I never put anyone in a burn ward or worse. Prayers for the families, kick in the raisins for the pyros.
 
2013-01-29 09:32:06 PM

fusillade762: Outdoor flares fired indoors? Check

2000 people in a club with a max occupancy of 1000? Check

No sprinklers or functioning fire extinguishers? Check

Only one exit? Check

Clubs operating permit has been expired since August? Check

I certainly hope someone ends up jail for this.


I hope those asshole security guards get charged and rot in prison for the rest of their lives. God forbid people skip out on their tabs BECAUSE THEY'RE BURNING TO DEATH.
 
2013-01-29 09:32:34 PM

jmr61: I can't imagine walking into a bar where there was fire purposely set indoors and staying more than 2 seconds.

Not happening.

Ever.


I'm with you. I do plays in regional theaters around the US and have run into guys who want to have explosions or braziers or dudes with flaming torches on stages with ceilings no higher than the one in my apartment. I've had to threaten to call the Fire Marshall on a couple of guys.

Never mind the fire, the smoke will kill you.
 
2013-01-29 09:34:40 PM

skinink: Aside from that, the exit(s) were not clearly marked, the bouncers were originally stopping people from leaving and some exits were chained closed. Plus the whole club was a death trap in waiting.

I watched that 12 minute video of the Station fire in Rhode Island. It was so hard to watch, especially the part where the people were stacked atop each other in the doorway like a barrier, blocking anyone behind them from escaping.


Actually, as many differences as similarities with this and The Station fire.

The Station wasn't over occupancy per the fire code
The Station was being legally operated with a valid license
The emergency exits were not closed, locked or chained
There were 4 exits, all open, though the place was a hodgepodge of confusing hallways
While the Station didn't have sprinklers, the fire marshal told them they were grandfathered and didn't need them.
The Station's main error was in using the wrong insulation, and of course, even considering allowing pyro in a club that small without sprinklers.

Unlike the fire in Brazil, The Station was mostly legal. The lesson is that fire can kill FAST.
 
2013-01-29 09:35:01 PM
farm4.staticflickr.com

Maybe the fire exits were just painted on the wall?
 
2013-01-29 09:45:09 PM
www.absolutefiction.com

I wish... You had...More flares
 
2013-01-29 09:50:02 PM
This crime, like so many others, has already been covered. I just can't remember if it was CSI or Law & Order...
 
2013-01-29 09:50:03 PM
Brazil is as good at massive death fires as they are at soccer.

BRA-ZEEL, BRA-ZEEL, BRA-ZEEL, BRA-ZEEL, BRA-ZEEL, BRA-ZEEL, BRA-ZEEL, BRA-ZEEL!!!
 
2013-01-29 09:58:30 PM
shiatty bands need fieworks to offset their lameness.
 
2013-01-29 09:59:57 PM

stirfrybry: shiatty bands need fieworks to offset their lameness.


Well they really killed it
 
2013-01-29 10:00:52 PM
Indoor flares are more expensive than outdoor flares?

/rock me!
 
2013-01-29 10:06:34 PM
the accordian player made it out of alive but died when he went back in to retrieve his gay ass accordian. It wouldn't have bothered me to learn that all the band members died in the fire.
 
2013-01-29 10:13:45 PM
Does anyone have a link to the original thread? The fark search tool has failed me (gosh, surprise of surprises!).
 
2013-01-29 10:13:58 PM
There is no law in Brazil.
 
2013-01-29 10:18:02 PM
Flares? I did not realize it was a musical instrument.

And playing solo on flare is........
 
2013-01-29 10:21:42 PM

davidphogan: fusillade762: Outdoor flares fired indoors? Check

2000 people in a club with a max occupancy of 1000? Check

No sprinklers or functioning fire extinguishers? Check

Only one exit? Check

Clubs operating permit has been expired since August? Check

I certainly hope someone ends up jail for this.

More than one person. Unless maybe one person does all those jobs.


A club that small? You betcha.
 
2013-01-29 10:22:02 PM

phrawgh: Indoor flares are more expensive than outdoor flares?

/rock me!


Less cars getting stuck in underground parking garages blocking traffic so they demand a premium.
 
2013-01-29 10:31:23 PM

moothemagiccow: davidphogan: fusillade762: Outdoor flares fired indoors? Check

2000 people in a club with a max occupancy of 1000? Check

No sprinklers or functioning fire extinguishers? Check

Only one exit? Check

Clubs operating permit has been expired since August? Check

I certainly hope someone ends up jail for this.

More than one person. Unless maybe one person does all those jobs.

A club that small? You betcha.


One guy was the fire narwhal, bouncer, band member lighting flares, and in charge out local permits? No.
 
2013-01-29 10:32:34 PM

davidphogan: moothemagiccow: davidphogan: fusillade762: Outdoor flares fired indoors? Check

2000 people in a club with a max occupancy of 1000? Check

No sprinklers or functioning fire extinguishers? Check

Only one exit? Check

Clubs operating permit has been expired since August? Check

I certainly hope someone ends up jail for this.

More than one person. Unless maybe one person does all those jobs.

A club that small? You betcha.

One guy was the fire narwhal, bouncer, band member lighting flares, and in charge out local permits? No.


I meant fire marshal, but a fire narwhal would be awesome also.
 
2013-01-29 10:32:58 PM
That sound you hear is every lawyer in Brazil having a simultaneous orgasm.
 
2013-01-29 10:38:42 PM
Hottest nightclub in Brazil
 
2013-01-29 10:41:44 PM

davidphogan: One guy was the fire narwhal, bouncer, band member lighting flares, and in charge out local permits? No.


Really, autocorrect has enriched our lives in so many ways.
 
2013-01-29 10:46:43 PM
Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention would not be impressed.
 
2013-01-29 10:58:44 PM

Resident Muslim: /what the hell's an indoor flare?!


This.
 
2013-01-29 11:01:25 PM
www.examiner.com
 
2013-01-29 11:08:01 PM

ltdanman44: [www.examiner.com image 453x329]


This may be shocking but WHY THE fark ARE FIREWORKS LEGAL INDOORS ANYWHERE??????

/seems like an easy fix.
// no you cannot haz an open flame indoors for your shiatty concert
///unless its like an arena or a very large space.
////Good lord, your band has an accordion why the fark do you have fireworks? OMG ACCORDION SOLO BAGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSHHHH *flame fire sparks*!!! srsly?
 
2013-01-29 11:09:52 PM

stirfrybry: shiatty bands need fieworks to offset their lameness.


As a gigging musician who played The Station many times...this is frighteningly accurate.

Most bands didn't have pyro. They actually were forced to make it on the merits of the music.

Bands that did fell into two categories:
-National acts who were once big trying to capture that old magic.
-Local acts who sucked and needed the pyro because it was a distraction from how terrible they really were.

Any band with their heads screwed on straight would plow the money spent into pyro back into the band with merch, promotion, etc. Being a great band should be enough to merit being able to pull off a great show.

And The Station had one of the best sound systems in the New England area and a great soundman who knew how to run it. Not to take away from those that lost their lives there, that venue was always great to play. Even if you only drew three people there were almost always another forty locals who came out to see live music and when you sounded THAT good to boot it always made for a great night. I miss that place.
 
2013-01-29 11:16:45 PM

Skarekrough: Most bands didn't have pyro. They actually were forced to make it on the merits of the music.


s2.postimage.org
 
2013-01-29 11:27:22 PM
Brazilian police say...

That's a whole lot of police!

/oblig
//don't look at my comment like that!
 
2013-01-29 11:32:19 PM
Ehh, at least no great white people died.
 
2013-01-29 11:33:11 PM

Resident Muslim: /what the hell's an indoor flare?!


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-30 12:01:20 AM

skinink: Aside from that, the exit(s) were not clearly marked, the bouncers were originally stopping people from leaving and some exits were chained closed. Plus the whole club was a death trap in waiting.

I watched that 12 minute video of the Station fire in Rhode Island. It was so hard to watch, especially the part where the people were stacked atop each other in the doorway like a barrier, blocking anyone behind them from escaping.


Its a very hard video to watch. Horrible especially when the camera comes back to the front door and they are yanking people out and the whole door is just smashed with people lying on top of another like sardines. I won't watch the video again.
 
2013-01-30 12:10:48 AM

maram500: This crime, like so many others, has already been covered. I just can't remember if it was CSI or Law & Order...


CSI: Miami

That episode shows up every so often on the cable channels.
 
2013-01-30 12:25:05 AM
Thanks obama
 
2013-01-30 12:30:26 AM

Wangiss: Welcome to Obama's Americas.

/Monroe Doctrine.


Oh are we manifest destiny-ing south now? Sounds good, colonizing the untamed continent of South America would solve a lot of problems.
 
2013-01-30 12:38:03 AM
Every so often, it seems like we have to replay the Cocoanut Grove fire again. It seems like the elements are always the same: single exit (or other exits blocked or difficult to find); flammable and toxic decorations; no sprinkler system even if one is available (usually not required due to exemption); large crowd; some kind of cost-cutting device in play. Always.

It seems to me that the law needs to be changed everywhere so that if there is going to be a big crowd drinking and dancing, there simply MUST be multiple unblocked exits--no exceptions--and a sprinkler system--no exceptions. No grandfathering out, no temporary passes. You have a dance club, there needs to be a working sprinkler system, or you don't get to open. Period. And you have large, outward-opening, clearly marked doors on all walls, or you don't open.

This kind of thing should never ever happen.
 
2013-01-30 12:52:59 AM

Gyrfalcon: Every so often, it seems like we have to replay the Cocoanut Grove fire again. It seems like the elements are always the same: single exit (or other exits blocked or difficult to find); flammable and toxic decorations; no sprinkler system even if one is available (usually not required due to exemption); large crowd; some kind of cost-cutting device in play. Always.

It seems to me that the law needs to be changed everywhere so that if there is going to be a big crowd drinking and dancing, there simply MUST be multiple unblocked exits--no exceptions--and a sprinkler system--no exceptions. No grandfathering out, no temporary passes. You have a dance club, there needs to be a working sprinkler system, or you don't get to open. Period. And you have large, outward-opening, clearly marked doors on all walls, or you don't open.

This kind of thing should never ever happen.


I saw the headline and was appalled. Then the story read 'In the worst nightclub fire...' I expected it to continue "ever." But, no. It said "in a decade." Then they listed how many times this has happened. Shameful.

I'll never put on a life jacket.
 
2013-01-30 01:06:54 AM
Sounds like a clear cut case for multiple countsof negligent homicide and easy wrongful death suits but that said if they got to cheap out on flare the ban can't have a lot to sue for.
 
2013-01-30 01:09:56 AM

4seasons85!: skinink: Aside from that, the exit(s) were not clearly marked, the bouncers were originally stopping people from leaving and some exits were chained closed. Plus the whole club was a death trap in waiting.

I watched that 12 minute video of the Station fire in Rhode Island. It was so hard to watch, especially the part where the people were stacked atop each other in the doorway like a barrier, blocking anyone behind them from escaping.

Its a very hard video to watch. Horrible especially when the camera comes back to the front door and they are yanking people out and the whole door is just smashed with people lying on top of another like sardines. I won't watch the video again.


I... could have picked a better time than right before bed to look that up and watch it. I can't even.
 
2013-01-30 01:53:45 AM

Typhoid: 4seasons85!: skinink: Aside from that, the exit(s) were not clearly marked, the bouncers were originally stopping people from leaving and some exits were chained closed. Plus the whole club was a death trap in waiting.

I watched that 12 minute video of the Station fire in Rhode Island. It was so hard to watch, especially the part where the people were stacked atop each other in the doorway like a barrier, blocking anyone behind them from escaping.

Its a very hard video to watch. Horrible especially when the camera comes back to the front door and they are yanking people out and the whole door is just smashed with people lying on top of another like sardines. I won't watch the video again.

I... could have picked a better time than right before bed to look that up and watch it. I can't even.


I think I'll skip searching for that.
 
2013-01-30 03:11:44 AM
Rammstein?

Was it Rammstein?

I bet it was Rammstein.
 
2013-01-30 03:49:25 AM
davidphogan One guy was the fire narwhal, bouncer, band member lighting flares, and in charge out local permits? No.

the unintentional funny wins you one internet. Put it in your sock drawer, nobody ever looks there when they are trying to steal stuff.
 
2013-01-30 03:53:47 AM

Feral_and_Preposterous: Footage of the concert.


Come on! Don't even do this. Rammstein is totally professional. I saw them in an indoor arena last year and not a SINGLE SPARK went where it wasn't supposed to go. You cannot even remotely, by any stretch of the imagination, compare consummate pros like Rammstein with the farkwads who bought cheap outdoor fireworks and set them off in a tiny club!

/grrrr
//unless you just wanted an excuse to post a great video
///China produced 11 tons of lycopodium (used in pyro) last year. Rammstein bought 4 tons of it.
 
2013-01-30 03:58:51 AM
I've heard this one before...

But some stupid with a flare gun
Burned the place to the ground
Smoke on the water, a fire in the sky, smoke on the water
 
2013-01-30 04:21:25 AM

fusillade762: Outdoor flares fired indoors? Check

2000 people in a club with a max occupancy of 1000? Check

No sprinklers or functioning fire extinguishers? Check

Only one exit? Check

Clubs operating permit has been expired since August? Check

I certainly hope someone ends up jail for this.


But, see, that model of responsibility has played out over and over, and it does NOT work.

This model supposes the remedy is to wait for a disaster, then intensely punishing someone will keep it from happening again.

It doesn't. The same thing happens over and over. It doesn't matter if you find someone truly responsible and slowly torture them to death over a week and broadcast their death for all to see. This just doesn't change human nature. And in truth for every situation which turned tragic, there's another 100 situations that COULD have been tragic, just by luck it wasn't.

There's gotta be fire codes, regular inspection, low corruption, and consequences for not being safe BEFORE it causes a tragedy.
 
2013-01-30 04:21:46 AM

Meatybrain: Resident Muslim: /what the hell's an indoor flare?!


Indeed.
A multi purpose flare.
Isn't it time to recycle this fashion?
Just for a laugh factor to see who goes for it and who laughs.
 
2013-01-30 04:26:19 AM

silvervial:
///China produced 11 tons of lycopodium (used in pyro) last year. Rammstein bought 4 tons of it.


Sure it wasn't for their condoms?
 
2013-01-30 04:51:12 AM

theorellior: davidphogan: One guy was the fire narwhal, bouncer, band member lighting flares, and in charge out local permits? No.

Really, autocorrect has enriched our lives in so many ways.


That is my take-away from this as well.
 
2013-01-30 05:01:39 AM
I guess they didn't check before they burned, as instructed by the super sensitive ad placement in the story...

lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-01-30 08:08:06 AM

malaktaus: That sound you hear is every lawyer in Brazil having a simultaneous orgasm.


I felt a great disturbance in the force
 
2013-01-30 08:23:26 AM
Should have used lens flare instead
cache.io9.com

Or gay flair
images.starpulse.com

Or Ric Flair
upload.wikimedia.org

Or a parachute flare
farm4.staticflickr.com

Or Noble Flaire
upload.wikimedia.org

or Liz Phlair
c438342.r42.cf2.rackcdn.com

Or 15 pieces of flair (If you just want to do the minimum)
stevebaines.biz

But never outside flares.
 
2013-01-30 09:12:37 AM

vsavatar: Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention would not be impressed.


(livestudioostrich.jpg)

haHA

/nice
 
2013-01-30 11:38:50 AM
It's ok everyone, The Market says this is just fine. The club owners didn't install sprinklers because too expensive, running a business not a charity. The band didn't use indoor fireworks because too expensive, running a band not a charity. The people at the club had the right to choose not to go to a club without sprinklers. They can 'vote' with their dollars by not going to that club in the future. It will all work itself out in the marketplace.
 
2013-01-30 12:36:27 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
Approves.
 
2013-01-30 03:30:07 PM
I heard an interview of a Brazilian journalist on the BBC who said that there is culture of impossible bureaucracy and corruption. People pay bribes to get a permit to open a club, and ****to get a favorable result in "inspections"***. Link
This is what the journalist said must be cleaned up before they host the Olympics; but will just go back to old way right after the Olympics end. There will be a superficial improvement then a devolution right afterward.
 
2013-01-30 04:06:42 PM

Wookie_Jesus: davidphogan One guy was the fire narwhal, bouncer, band member lighting flares, and in charge out local permits? No.

the unintentional funny wins you one internet. Put it in your sock drawer, nobody ever looks there when they are trying to steal stuff.


Thank you! And thanks to Swype for making it happen.
 
2013-01-30 04:49:50 PM

Wookie_Jesus: davidphogan One guy was the fire narwhal, bouncer, band member lighting flares, and in charge out local permits? No.

the unintentional funny wins you one internet. Put it in your sock drawer, nobody ever looks there when they are trying to steal stuff.


that's where I keep my cock rings.

COCK RINGS

COCK RINGS
 
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