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(Daily Mail)   Man spends 11 months and $2,500 in legal fees to get police to review speed camera ticket and notice he obviously wasn't speeding   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 25
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2013-01-29 09:06:26 PM
9 votes:
When men choose not to stand on principle and instead give in to the grinding of civilization, then truly we will not be men anymore.

Bravo, sir. One man applauds you.
2013-01-29 09:27:58 PM
7 votes:

fusillade762: So it sounds like he's paying about £400 instead of £60. Not really all that bad. Though I'm still not sure it's worth 11 months of aggravation and £340 just to prove your innocence in a traffic violation.


It might save him quite a bit more for not having insurance rates increased.
2013-01-30 04:45:04 AM
5 votes:

CruiserTwelve: 'However, we were not notified this ticket was being challenged until Monday morning.
'The file was then reviewed and we supported the withdrawal of this case.'

So what's the big deal? He waits 11 months before claiming his ticket was issued in error, the cops look at it and say "Okay, you're right, ticket dismissed." Isn't that what's supposed to happen?


What's supposed to happen is that if you aren't speeding, you don't get a ticket.
2013-01-30 04:21:02 AM
3 votes:
And that is how it works: make it too expensive to resist and most people will pay up even when the accusation is fraudulent. Nice little scam.
2013-01-29 10:04:02 PM
3 votes:

fusillade762: jehovahs witness protection: fusillade762: So it sounds like he's paying about £400 instead of £60. Not really all that bad. Though I'm still not sure it's worth 11 months of aggravation and £340 just to prove your innocence in a traffic violation.

It might save him quite a bit more for not having insurance rates increased.

Ah, good call. Hadn't thought of that angle.


And if more people do it they may have to stop robbing people with fake tickets as their own legal fees will start to eat into the revenue.
2013-01-30 01:03:20 AM
2 votes:
'However, we were not notified this ticket was being challenged until Monday morning.
'The file was then reviewed and we supported the withdrawal of this case.'


So what's the big deal? He waits 11 months before claiming his ticket was issued in error, the cops look at it and say "Okay, you're right, ticket dismissed." Isn't that what's supposed to happen?
2013-01-29 11:24:52 PM
2 votes:

sno man: Barfmaker: Mangoose: When men choose not to stand on principle and instead give in to the grinding of civilization, then truly we will not be men anymore.

Bravo, sir. One man applauds you.

Make it two.

I realize falling on your sword was never really popular but that's not really the motivation anyway.

I'm in for three.

Truth is worth fighting for.


Fourthed
2013-01-29 11:09:24 PM
2 votes:

GAT_00: fusillade762: Ah, good call. Hadn't thought of that angle.

I don't think you'd pay another $54/6 months for a single speeding ticket.  If the rate increase was more than that, then this would be cheaper.  Assuming tickets phase out in 5 years in Britain, obviously.


Remember he is a taxi driver too.  It could have other implications for his job and he probably already has more expensive insurance.
2013-01-29 10:59:10 PM
2 votes:

Barfmaker: Mangoose: When men choose not to stand on principle and instead give in to the grinding of civilization, then truly we will not be men anymore.

Bravo, sir. One man applauds you.

Make it two.

I realize falling on your sword was never really popular but that's not really the motivation anyway.


I'm in for three.

Truth is worth fighting for.
2013-01-29 09:39:56 PM
2 votes:
Because he was carrying an elderly passenger, he was doing 18mph in a 30mph zone? He should still be ticketed.
2013-01-30 11:05:43 AM
1 votes:
and yall keep voting Democrat.... Liberal Big Government Democrats all over the country are having these cameras installed as quick as they can...
2013-01-30 11:02:00 AM
1 votes:

Dragonflew: Is a mathmatic someone who suffers from mathma?


No, máthēma is Greek for "knowledge, study, learning".
2013-01-30 10:25:01 AM
1 votes:

MythDragon: fredklein: MythDragon: /hate it when people plural the word 'math'

"Maths" is short for "Mathamatics".

And "Math" is short for "Mathmatics".
What's your point?


1) "mathmatics" is plural.

2) you're an idiot.
2013-01-30 08:26:59 AM
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: pjc51: I sound fat: CruiserTwelve: Yes this is dog: What's supposed to happen is that if you aren't speeding, you don't get a ticket.

I don't like speed cameras any more than anyone else, but they exist and I don't expect them to be infallible. A mistake was made and as soon as it was brought to the right people's attention, it was corrected. I don't see the outrage here.

The outrage here is that they should not exist if they cant be accurate to the POINT of infallibility. The technology simply cannot be trusted to make accurate accusations.

Nor can people, so your argument also applies to the whole justice system.

The technology enables many times more tickets to be issued, and many times more mistakes.

Five per cent error rate acceptable to you?


Would five per cent error be acceptable if you were talking about executing prisoners on death row?

You're dealing with people's lives, not tolerances for a piece of manufacturing equipment. When one of these cameras farks up, it farks with a completely innocent person's life. One way or another, that person then has to pay the consequences for an offense they did not commit. Policies leading to that sort of occurance have no place in a civilized, free, society.
2013-01-30 08:15:30 AM
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: Yes this is dog: What's supposed to happen is that if you aren't speeding, you don't get a ticket.

I don't like speed cameras any more than anyone else, but they exist and I don't expect them to be infallible. A mistake was made and as soon as it was brought to the right people's attention, it was corrected. I don't see the outrage here.



Firstly, either the cameras are working correctly, or they are not. If they are, then yes, I expect them to work within specified parameters. If they are not working, then I expect them to be promptly fixed.

Second, I guess you missed the part where, AFTER it was "brought to the right people's attention", "His battle dragged on for 11 months", before "it was corrected". - or is 11 months to correct a mistake obvious using "simple maths" reasonable to you?
2013-01-30 06:20:57 AM
1 votes:

Enigmamf: I sound fat: CruiserTwelve: Yes this is dog: What's supposed to happen is that if you aren't speeding, you don't get a ticket.

I don't like speed cameras any more than anyone else, but they exist and I don't expect them to be infallible. A mistake was made and as soon as it was brought to the right people's attention, it was corrected. I don't see the outrage here.

The outrage here is that they should not exist if they cant be accurate to the POINT of infallibility. The technology simply cannot be trusted to make accurate accusations.

No technology is "accurate to the point of infallibility". And human judgement is even worse. Should we therefore prosecute no crimes, ever?


While it is true that no technology is infallible, any technology used to prosecute a crime must be accurate enough to leave no reasonable doubt. This one man proving that the camera clocked him at 50+ when he was going 18mph casts doubt on all of the tickets posted by that camera.

Another example: if a person proves that the RADAR gun a cop was using was clocking incorrectly (say, GPS data verifying that he was doing 25 through that stretch of road, as opposed to 50) in a court of law, guess what verdict is going to come back for every other defendant that got a ticket that day from that cop.
2013-01-30 06:05:36 AM
1 votes:
I don't like speed cameras any more than anyone else, but they exist and I don't expect them to be infallible. A mistake was made and as soon as it was brought to the right people's attention, it was corrected. I don't see the outrage here.


Unfortunately it cost the man a LOT of money for getting this resolved. That is the outrage. You must work for a governmental agency with that level of mentality.
2013-01-30 05:52:33 AM
1 votes:

darth_shatner: Enigmamf: I sound fat: CruiserTwelve: Yes this is dog: What's supposed to happen is that if you aren't speeding, you don't get a ticket.

I don't like speed cameras any more than anyone else, but they exist and I don't expect them to be infallible. A mistake was made and as soon as it was brought to the right people's attention, it was corrected. I don't see the outrage here.

The outrage here is that they should not exist if they cant be accurate to the POINT of infallibility. The technology simply cannot be trusted to make accurate accusations.

No technology is "accurate to the point of infallibility". And human judgement is even worse. Should we therefore prosecute no crimes, ever?.


electronic solid-state calculators
2+2 is always 4
guess buttons could malfunction
the trouble with buttons is they always fall off!
2013-01-30 05:43:03 AM
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: Yes this is dog: What's supposed to happen is that if you aren't speeding, you don't get a ticket.

I don't like speed cameras any more than anyone else, but they exist and I don't expect them to be infallible. A mistake was made and as soon as it was brought to the right people's attention, it was corrected. I don't see the outrage here.


Of course you can't. That's your chosen mentality, proven time & time again.

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This man in TFA set a fine example of fighting for what is right, for the value of principles and how once again law enforcement blows dead dog dick. His children have learned a fine lesson from their father for he is a man of honor. Good on you, mate.
2013-01-30 05:12:53 AM
1 votes:

Enigmamf: I sound fat: CruiserTwelve: Yes this is dog: What's supposed to happen is that if you aren't speeding, you don't get a ticket.

I don't like speed cameras any more than anyone else, but they exist and I don't expect them to be infallible. A mistake was made and as soon as it was brought to the right people's attention, it was corrected. I don't see the outrage here.

The outrage here is that they should not exist if they cant be accurate to the POINT of infallibility. The technology simply cannot be trusted to make accurate accusations.

No technology is "accurate to the point of infallibility". And human judgement is even worse. Should we therefore prosecute no crimes, ever?


No, but maybe our nanny-statist governments should be a little more careful about introducing technology that has the capacity to stuff up on such a frequent basis.

Governments love speed cameras because the vast majority of people just pay the fine and shut up, even if the fine was wrongly or stupidly issued, because high court costs (not to mention time off work) make it too expensive for most people to bother fighting over a ticket when the default position is guilty until proven innocent.
2013-01-30 05:01:42 AM
1 votes:
He took an expensive lawyer, and may not claim all the costs. I call that fair.
2013-01-30 04:52:33 AM
1 votes:

CruiserTwelve: Yes this is dog: What's supposed to happen is that if you aren't speeding, you don't get a ticket.

I don't like speed cameras any more than anyone else, but they exist and I don't expect them to be infallible. A mistake was made and as soon as it was brought to the right people's attention, it was corrected. I don't see the outrage here.


The outrage here is that they should not exist if they cant be accurate to the POINT of infallibility. The technology simply cannot be trusted to make accurate accusations.
2013-01-30 04:38:12 AM
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: [aftermathnews.files.wordpress.com image 463x376]


I'm not saying I would resort to destruction of state property if I ever got an un-deserved camera ticket but these images...

static.guim.co.uk

blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com

cdn.inquisitr.com

Make me very happy.
2013-01-30 04:25:15 AM
1 votes:
Bad, uncooperative citizens make baby Jesus cry....
2013-01-29 10:45:55 PM
1 votes:

Mangoose: When men choose not to stand on principle and instead give in to the grinding of civilization, then truly we will not be men anymore.

Bravo, sir. One man applauds you.


Make it two.

I realize falling on your sword was never really popular but that's not really the motivation anyway.
 
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