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(Daily Mail)   Barack Obama to Bashar al-Assad: Using chemical warfare on your civilians is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE...unless we do it first   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 174
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2013-01-29 08:50:32 PM
That e-mail is dated Christmas at 2:57 a.m. I think that's a clue it was sent by Santa Claus.
 
2013-01-29 08:59:00 PM
i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-29 09:00:36 PM
Seems legit.
 
2013-01-29 09:02:58 PM
The Daily Mail sourcing Infowars? That's dividing the derp by zero.
 
2013-01-29 09:10:37 PM
FTFA:

It reads: 'Phil... We've got a new offer. It's about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

You misspelled Tel Aviv.
 
2013-01-29 09:20:10 PM
lh5.googleusercontent.com
 
2013-01-29 09:26:07 PM
i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-29 09:26:56 PM
Leaked emails from defense contractor refers to chemical weapons saying 'the idea is approved by Washington'

Well, I'm convinced.
 
2013-01-29 09:31:46 PM
The refusal to believe Obama isn't absolutely perfect is INSANE.
 
2013-01-29 09:33:00 PM

jehovahs witness protection: The refusal to believe Obama isn't absolutely perfect is INSANE.


I like how you think believing this crap from Infowars makes you sane.
 
2013-01-29 09:34:50 PM

jehovahs witness protection: The refusal to believe Obama isn't absolutely perfect is INSANE.


When this gets picked up by Al Jazeera, Reuters, AFP, NPR, or BBC as a legitimate story I'll listen.
 
2013-01-29 09:35:35 PM

cameroncrazy1984: jehovahs witness protection: The refusal to believe Obama isn't absolutely perfect is INSANE.

I like how you think believing this crap from Infowars makes you sane.


This.

doyner: jehovahs witness protection: The refusal to believe Obama isn't absolutely perfect is INSANE.

When this gets picked up by Al Jazeera, Reuters, AFP, NPR, or BBC as a legitimate story I'll listen.


And that.
 
2013-01-29 10:01:05 PM
Sounds kind of the far end of the stupid range for President Obama. However, that's about the least worrisome scenario aside from the basic "this is all bullshiat".
 
2013-01-29 10:03:05 PM
i1162.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-29 10:10:15 PM
So let me get this straight: A barely legitimate news source cites a single, completely unreliable news source which claims that it received a hacked E-mail from a British contractor which claims that they were offered a shady deal by a Qatari organization which totally promises it has authority from "Washington" (not naming the US government specifically) to deliver chemical weapons to Syria.

www.eeew.net
 
2013-01-29 10:10:58 PM
38 clicks; will post to Scary on 29 Jan 2013 at 11:25 PM

Da fuq?
 
2013-01-29 10:18:03 PM

NewportBarGuy: 38 clicks; will post to Scary on 29 Jan 2013 at 11:25 PM

Da fuq?


That tab is used on Ultra Fark during Halloween and Super Bowl week.
 
2013-01-29 10:23:17 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-29 10:36:44 PM
According to Infowars.com, the December 25 email was sent from Britam's Business Development Director David Goulding to company founder Philip Doughty.

Okay, guys, I'll contact that Time Cube guy and see if he can provide any additional details or background.
 
2013-01-29 10:43:51 PM

Sid_6.7: Okay, guys, I'll contact that Time Cube guy and see if he can provide any additional details or background.


i49.tinypic.com


Also...

i45.tinypic.com

"Those weapons of mass destruction gotta be somewhere!?"


Good times!
 
2013-01-29 10:54:42 PM
According to infowars.org...

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-29 11:04:53 PM
According to Infowars.com

Annnnd close window.
 
2013-01-29 11:05:21 PM

Mentat: Leaked emails from defense contractor refers to chemical weapons saying 'the idea is approved by Washington'

Well, I'm convinced.


www.sitcomsonline.com

So that's why they nick-named him "Boom-Boom!"
 
2013-01-29 11:05:52 PM
Is it time for the 'Obama is the war criminal-in-chief' talking point again?

Barack Obama - The greatest tyrannical warmonger that was soft on defense
 
2013-01-29 11:08:09 PM

jehovahs witness protection: The refusal to believe Obama isn't absolutely perfect is INSANE.


So, the options are either

1) I believe Obama is absolutely perfect, or
2) I believe he's threatening chemical warfare?

Are you sure those are the only options?
 
2013-01-29 11:10:26 PM

Aar1012: Is it time for the 'Obama is the war criminal-in-chief' talking point again?

Barack Obama - The greatest tyrannical warmonger that was soft on defense


Well, he's already the most incompetent empty suit to single-handedly bring down America.

And the most dictatorial, imperial President ever who never gets anything done.
 
2013-01-29 11:17:57 PM

Sgt Otter: So that's why they nick-named him "Boom-Boom!"


i49.tinypic.com

"Please excuse U.S. forces from this free-for-all. Sincerely, Epstein's Mother."
 
2013-01-29 11:27:15 PM
Daily Fail.  Nope.
 
2013-01-29 11:30:23 PM

KarmicDisaster: Daily Fail.  Nope.


Daily Fail citing Infowars, no less.
 
2013-01-29 11:32:26 PM
cdn.motinetwork.net

/I'm more likely to trust tea leaves and phone psychics than the Daily Mail and Infowars.
//They're more likely to be in the same dimension as the truth, too.
 
2013-01-29 11:35:22 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-29 11:38:35 PM
A single, highly-implausible email that incriminates three countries in the use of chemical weapons on civilians in an attempt to frame Assad? This sounds almost exactly like something the Russians would fake. Probably because the Russians faked it.
 
2013-01-29 11:39:10 PM
I'd post the "Smells like Bullshiat" jpg, but the 50s housewife is wearing a gas mask for some reason.
 
2013-01-29 11:39:20 PM
Seriously though, why can't so many Republicans dislike someone's politics WITHOUT assuming they're farking supervillains?
 
2013-01-29 11:43:00 PM
Secret info recovered by infowars.com, you say?

askapic.com
 
2013-01-29 11:44:31 PM

jehovahs witness protection: The refusal to believe Obama isn't absolutely perfect is INSANE.


You are literally one of the most retarded people I have ever seen on the planet. I consider it a miracle that you have managed to survive living on this planet for as long as you have and are able to figure out how to utilize a computer to get yourself onto the internet. In short, your existence has convinced me that God does in fact actually exist and that he is a sadistic bastard with a sick sense of humour.

/not constructive.
//needed to be said anyway.
 
2013-01-29 11:44:43 PM
Heh, read the comments. They make our troll accounts sound educated.
 
2013-01-29 11:45:21 PM
If The Daily Mail thought this was even slightly legit, don't you think they'd you know, lead with it?

As opposed to the 40th story on their website, and not in the paper edition at all?
 
2013-01-29 11:46:38 PM

Bungles: If The Daily Mail thought this was even slightly legit, don't you think they'd you know, lead with it?

As opposed to the 40th story on their website, and not in the paper edition at all?


Sometimes you can only slip in the tip of truth to start with.
 
2013-01-29 11:49:26 PM
Wasn't there some SS officer at Nuremburg who got off because he proved Allied forces carried out the same actions he was accused of? A war crime can be defined as "something we didn't do."

/getting bored of the Middle East
//looking forward to the Scramble for Africa reboot
 
2013-01-29 11:50:17 PM
fark you Daily Fail. Citing infowars after the jump is NOT COOL.
 
2013-01-29 11:50:19 PM
so, 'approved by Washington' means the white house and Obama?

1. could have been bullshiat and not approved
2. could have been from his boss in washington
3. could be total bullcrap and completely made up

I'm going with 3 alex
 
2013-01-29 11:52:20 PM
What is up with these Hussein's and their love for chemical weapons??!
 
2013-01-29 11:52:35 PM
It makes no sense.

If the US wanted a false flag chemical attack to pin on Assad, why not use the rebels they are in contact with in Syria (some of who already have makeshift chemical weapons) or just use US intelligence assets in the country? Outsourcing this to third parties just adds to the chance things go wrong.
 
2013-01-29 11:53:03 PM

1derful: fark you Daily Fail. Citing infowars after the jump is NOT COOL.


citing infowars isn't cool anywhere. After the jump just makes it downright tricksy
 
2013-01-29 11:54:26 PM
According to infowars?

Say boss, our Norwegian friends want us to use our assets in Mozambique to make the Mexican nukes look like Swedish penguins.

Sounds kooky, but it is a bunch of money in it for us.

Hope we don't get hacked!

Love ya Bunch, Signed Barry Soreto
 
2013-01-29 11:54:28 PM

DoomPaul: It makes no sense.

If the US wanted a false flag chemical attack to pin on Assad, why not use the rebels they are in contact with in Syria (some of who already have makeshift chemical weapons) or just use US intelligence assets in the country? Outsourcing this to third parties just adds to the chance things go wrong.


or launch them from a boat in the Mediterranean. Then BO can be all "Who you gonna believe, me or this dude who looks like he should be on Shahs of Sunset? Cmon, world. Let's be real."
 
2013-01-29 11:58:56 PM

jehovahs witness protection: The refusal to believe Obama isn't absolutely perfect is INSANE.


No, it's a refusal to believe Obama isn't absolutely insane, which would have to be the case were this true.
 
2013-01-29 11:59:28 PM
When u people gonna learn Democrats always right Rethuglicans alway wrong!
 
2013-01-30 12:02:32 AM

jehovahs witness protection: The refusal to believe Obama isn't absolutely perfect is INSANE.


The belief that he is some mad dictator who is a muslin fascist Hitler-like socialist who was born in Kenya while being evil enough to take everyone's guns is INSANE.
 
2013-01-30 12:08:14 AM

doyner: Bungles: If The Daily Mail thought this was even slightly legit, don't you think they'd you know, lead with it?

As opposed to the 40th story on their website, and not in the paper edition at all?

Sometimes you can only slip in the tip of truth to start with.


static.fjcdn.com

/since this story is about as bogus as bogus can be let's have some fun, shall we?
 
2013-01-30 12:09:17 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-30 12:10:41 AM
Regardless of whether it's true or not, it's an interesting moral question.

Is it right to cause a thousand deaths by chemical weapons in order to prevent tens of thousands of deaths by chemical weapons?
 
2013-01-30 12:12:34 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Regardless of whether it's true or not, it's an interesting moral question.

Is it right to cause a thousand deaths by chemical weapons in order to prevent tens of thousands of deaths by chemical weapons?


Depends. Were those 1000 going to be part of the 10s of thousands who were going to die otherwise?
 
2013-01-30 12:12:55 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Regardless of whether it's true or not, it's an interesting moral question.

Is it right to cause a thousand deaths by chemical weapons in order to prevent tens of thousands of deaths by chemical weapons?


No.  If you already have the moral authority to act you don't need to compromise your position to do so.
 
2013-01-30 12:13:20 AM
I thought this was going to be a story about how WP == Sarin, only to find it's even more retarded than that.
 
2013-01-30 12:15:28 AM
If CNN sources the Daily Fail that sourced inforwars.com, the circle of derp will be complete.
 
2013-01-30 12:15:38 AM

DoomPaul: It makes no sense.

If the US wanted a false flag chemical attack to pin on Assad, why not use the rebels they are in contact with in Syria (some of who already have makeshift chemical weapons) or just use US intelligence assets in the country? Outsourcing this to third parties just adds to the chance things go wrong.


That's something conspiracy theorists can almost never explain. The government pulling something like this, or destroying the Twin Towers, or orchestrating school shootings requires quite a few people. And the more people that are involved (particularly if they're from third parties), the bigger the risk is that the conspiracy will be definitively exposed by one of them (Note 'definitively. As in "not 'exposed' by an anonymous letter from the friend of a contact's cousin who heard it in a bar, posted on Conspiracy Nut Central"). And even if a President were inclined to do something on that scale, the risk of someone involved developing a conscience and exposing the conspiracy far, FAR outweighs any benefits.

Because, if a President did order something on that scale and it got leaked, well, he'd likely be the first American president to get the death penalty.
 
2013-01-30 12:16:00 AM
Drew's ad revenues must be dwindling for this tripe to have gotten green lit.
 
2013-01-30 12:16:37 AM

LordJiro: KarmicDisaster: Daily Fail.  Nope.

Daily Fail citing Infowars, no less.


Infowars had some crazy claim that was featured on Fark about 6 months ago, but I can't remember exactly what it was. We were going to attack Iran the next week or something.
 
2013-01-30 12:16:59 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Regardless of whether it's true or not, it's an interesting moral question.

Is it right to cause a thousand deaths by chemical weapons in order to prevent tens of thousands of deaths by chemical weapons?


Paging Zombie Truman, Zombie Truman... you are needed in thread 7563662.
 
2013-01-30 12:18:07 AM

LordJiro: DoomPaul: It makes no sense.

If the US wanted a false flag chemical attack to pin on Assad, why not use the rebels they are in contact with in Syria (some of who already have makeshift chemical weapons) or just use US intelligence assets in the country? Outsourcing this to third parties just adds to the chance things go wrong.

That's something conspiracy theorists can almost never explain. The government pulling something like this, or destroying the Twin Towers, or orchestrating school shootings requires quite a few people. And the more people that are involved (particularly if they're from third parties), the bigger the risk is that the conspiracy will be definitively exposed by one of them (Note 'definitively. As in "not 'exposed' by an anonymous letter from the friend of a contact's cousin who heard it in a bar, posted on Conspiracy Nut Central"). And even if a President were inclined to do something on that scale, the risk of someone involved developing a conscience and exposing the conspiracy far, FAR outweighs any benefits.

Because, if a President did order something on that scale and it got leaked, well, he'd likely be the first American president to get the death penalty.


Exactly. If you have just one person come out and say "yes, there is a conspiracy" then all would be lost.
 
2013-01-30 12:19:02 AM

doyner: No. If you already have the moral authority to act you don't need to compromise your position to do so.


That in itself is already a weird situation. If the rest of the world has the moral authority to act, why haven't they? Is a man less dead because he's killed with a bullet instead a nerve agent? How many lives can be taken with conventional weapons before the world community steps in, compared to how many can be taken with chemical weapons? Children are being tortured to death on a regular basis. Moral authority took a smoke break a few months ago.
 
2013-01-30 12:21:04 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: doyner: No. If you already have the moral authority to act you don't need to compromise your position to do so.

That in itself is already a weird situation. If the rest of the world has the moral authority to act, why haven't they? Is a man less dead because he's killed with a bullet instead a nerve agent? How many lives can be taken with conventional weapons before the world community steps in, compared to how many can be taken with chemical weapons? Children are being tortured to death on a regular basis. Moral authority took a smoke break a few months ago.


I spoke of moral authority, not the will to act.
 
2013-01-30 12:22:06 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: How many lives can be taken with conventional weapons before the world community steps in


Many, many, many, many, many... As long as it is their own people. We really don't give a sh*t. This is what I've learned.
 
2013-01-30 12:23:29 AM

doyner: I spoke of moral authority, not the will to act.


Another interesting situation. Is it more important to have moral authority or to prevent children from being tortured to death as political leverage?
 
2013-01-30 12:23:49 AM

NewportBarGuy: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: How many lives can be taken with conventional weapons before the world community steps in

Many, many, many, many, many... As long as it is their own people. We really don't give a sh*t. This is what I've learned.


I call this the Morality Hawk Down Doctrine.
 
2013-01-30 12:25:04 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: doyner: I spoke of moral authority, not the will to act.

Another interesting situation. Is it more important to have moral authority or to prevent children from being tortured to death as political leverage?


Can you adopt every dog from the pound before they're put down?  Can you donate enough blood to ensure everyone gets a needed transfusion?
 
2013-01-30 12:25:54 AM

doyner: NewportBarGuy: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: How many lives can be taken with conventional weapons before the world community steps in

Many, many, many, many, many... As long as it is their own people. We really don't give a sh*t. This is what I've learned.

I call this the Morality Hawk Down Doctrine.


I call it the "Overextension of So-Called Morality by Chicken Hawks in the 2000s that Leads to Morality Hawk Down Doctrine Via Exhaustion" Doctrine.
 
2013-01-30 12:26:19 AM
hahaha wat
 
2013-01-30 12:29:18 AM
And by "Washington", they mean 251 H Street, the real seat of US Govt.
 
2013-01-30 12:29:44 AM
FTFA:

It reads: 'Phil... We've got a new offer. It's about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

Would a native English speaker even phrase this sentence like this? This really sounds like a non-native English speaker wrote this.
 
2013-01-30 12:29:57 AM

Apik0r0s: And by "Washington", they mean 251 H Street, the real seat of US Govt.


Is that the Israeli embassy?

//too tired to look it up
 
2013-01-30 12:30:02 AM

doyner: Can you adopt every dog from the pound before they're put down? Can you donate enough blood to ensure everyone gets a needed transfusion?


No, but that's not really the point of my question. This situation is more analogous to a shelter that routinely abuses their animals, and while we're more than willing to write a pointed op-ed column about it every so often, we scoff at the idea of adopting any of the animals still living inside because it would inconvenience us.
 
2013-01-30 12:30:15 AM
My Canadian girlfriend says it's true.
 
2013-01-30 12:31:31 AM

Aar1012: Is it time for the 'Obama is the war criminal-in-chief' talking point again?

Barack Obama - The greatest tyrannical warmonger that was soft on defense


At this point can it even be called defense spending?
 
2013-01-30 12:31:40 AM
Glenn Beck raped and chemically gassed a sovereign nation in 2013.
 
2013-01-30 12:32:34 AM

Jormungandr: Aar1012: Is it time for the 'Obama is the war criminal-in-chief' talking point again?

Barack Obama - The greatest tyrannical warmonger that was soft on defense

At this point can it even be called defense spending?


I call it defense investing. Why kill a million people later when a thousand or so now will do.
 
2013-01-30 12:32:58 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: doyner: Can you adopt every dog from the pound before they're put down? Can you donate enough blood to ensure everyone gets a needed transfusion?

No, but that's not really the point of my question. This situation is more analogous to a shelter that routinely abuses their animals, and while we're more than willing to write a pointed op-ed column about it every so often, we scoff at the idea of adopting any of the animals still living inside because it would inconvenience us.


Having adopted shelter animals, and yet not able to adopt all, I have come to terms with the limitation, and have drawn the line at a point that is tenable with all other aspects of my life.

For the record, I'm not advocating inaction, but the real question is where we draw the line in the cost/moral benefit analysis.
 
2013-01-30 12:33:17 AM
We still have chemical weapons? I'm pretty sure we've been systematically destroying our stockpile since the Nixon administration.
 
2013-01-30 12:34:14 AM

ongbok: FTFA:

It reads: 'Phil... We've got a new offer. It's about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

Would a native English speaker even phrase this sentence like this? This really sounds like a non-native English speaker wrote this.


and if we've learned anything, you ain't Murican unless you pop outta yer momma's coochie speakin' Murican
 
2013-01-30 12:35:38 AM

SN1987a goes boom: We still have chemical weapons? I'm pretty sure we've been systematically destroying our stockpile since the Nixon administration.


Obviously you've never had the pleasure of scouting black helicopters at night. Go full infrared, bro.
 
2013-01-30 12:38:13 AM
"Approved by Washington" huh? So.......Starbucks is doing this?
 
2013-01-30 12:39:25 AM

doyner: Having adopted shelter animals, and yet not able to adopt all, I have come to terms with the limitation, and have drawn the line at a point that is tenable with all other aspects of my life.

For the record, I'm not advocating inaction, but the real question is where we draw the line in the cost/moral benefit analysis.


And I suppose it's not entirely like adopting an animal, but breaking into the facility in order to save them, so there's some inherent risk there. I just find the situation sad that Russia needs a Mediterranean port, so Assad has free reign to do whatever the fark he wants, regardless of near unanimous international disapproval.
 
2013-01-30 12:39:58 AM

skullkrusher: ongbok: FTFA:

It reads: 'Phil... We've got a new offer. It's about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

Would a native English speaker even phrase this sentence like this? This really sounds like a non-native English speaker wrote this.

and if we've learned anything, you ain't Murican unless you pop outta yer momma's coochie speakin' Murican


What is that supposed to mean?

Unless you are trying to say that there isn't a difference between the words and phrasing that people who have learned English as a first language and used it as their primary language for their entire lives and people that have learned English as a second language or have not used it as their primary language. The same goes for any language. You can be fluent in Spanish, but trust me, if you go to a Spanish speaking country they will know you are not a native Spanish speaker.
 
2013-01-30 12:43:39 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: doyner: Having adopted shelter animals, and yet not able to adopt all, I have come to terms with the limitation, and have drawn the line at a point that is tenable with all other aspects of my life.

For the record, I'm not advocating inaction, but the real question is where we draw the line in the cost/moral benefit analysis.

And I suppose it's not entirely like adopting an animal, but breaking into the facility in order to save them, so there's some inherent risk there. I just find the situation sad that Russia needs a Mediterranean port, so Assad has free reign to do whatever the fark he wants, regardless of near unanimous international disapproval.


I agree with you.  It is a terrible circumstance.  I'm just not sure it isn't potentially a one-way ticket to a much, much broader conflict.
 
2013-01-30 12:48:46 AM
This is a ridiculous misunderstanding Obama sent Assad a gift card for a chemical peel for his birthday. Not murdered civilians with chemical weapons. This is a nonstory.
 
2013-01-30 12:51:42 AM

tjfly: Drew's ad revenues must be dwindling for this tripe to have gotten green lit.


I disagree. Trolltastic headline aside, it's a good story. At the least, it's an interesting progaganda specimen. Alternatively, if the central facts if the story are actually true, someone is trying to goad some British contractors into smuggling a chemical warhead out of Libya and setting it off in Syria, presumably to draw NATO into the confilict. Pretty lulzy, I'd say.
 
2013-01-30 12:55:51 AM

Mentat: Leaked emails from defense contractor refers to chemical weapons saying 'the idea is approved by Washington'

Well, I'm convinced.


It's not even that: it's a British defense contractor saying that Qatar had contacted them about selling chemical weapons to Syrian rebels and then said "the United States would totally approve of it if you did it." It's an e-mail from someone claiming they were told by a second person that a third person would grant approval to a program. It's weaker than hearsay.

But if we don't treat this as something that is probably true it shows how we worship Obama apparently.
 
2013-01-30 12:57:26 AM

Grungehamster: Mentat: Leaked emails from defense contractor refers to chemical weapons saying 'the idea is approved by Washington'

Well, I'm convinced.

It's not even that: it's a British defense contractor saying that Qatar had contacted them about selling chemical weapons to Syrian rebels and then said "the United States would totally approve of it if you did it." It's an e-mail from someone claiming they were told by a second person that a third person would grant approval to a program. It's weaker than hearsay.

But if we don't treat this as something that is probably true it shows how we worship Obama apparently.


Infowars.com has more pulitzers than dogs consumed by Obama. Study it out!
 
2013-01-30 12:58:01 AM
Allow me to sum up Alex Jones' position on Syria. The NWO is desperate and is losing the fight for our firearms. We must be disarmed before they can start rounding us up in FEMA camps, destroy the dollar, impose Chinese style working conditions on us, and then exterminate 99% of the population with a bio weapon so the new "royalty" can use its robot army to run the Earth with the select few humans remaining. Since the government runs Al Qaida, they're going to be directed by the president (who is a puppet of the NWO) to gain access to chemical weapons and use them against Syrian people as a pretext for starting WWIII. Then ensuing destruction, and desperate population, will allow the NWO to further their agenda before "enough people wake up" and realize their plans (which I won't type out because there's wayyy to many to list).


/I did not make any of that up, that's exactly what he's saying everyday on his show
 
2013-01-30 12:58:40 AM

ongbok: skullkrusher: ongbok: FTFA:

It reads: 'Phil... We've got a new offer. It's about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

Would a native English speaker even phrase this sentence like this? This really sounds like a non-native English speaker wrote this.

and if we've learned anything, you ain't Murican unless you pop outta yer momma's coochie speakin' Murican

What is that supposed to mean?

Unless you are trying to say that there isn't a difference between the words and phrasing that people who have learned English as a first language and used it as their primary language for their entire lives and people that have learned English as a second language or have not used it as their primary language. The same goes for any language. You can be fluent in Spanish, but trust me, if you go to a Spanish speaking country they will know you are not a native Spanish speaker.


and, of all the questionable aspects to this story, I found it interesting that you focused on the fact that the speaker might not speak English as a first language. What was THAT supposed to mean?
 
2013-01-30 01:04:44 AM

skullkrusher: ongbok: skullkrusher: ongbok: FTFA:

It reads: 'Phil... We've got a new offer. It's about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

Would a native English speaker even phrase this sentence like this? This really sounds like a non-native English speaker wrote this.

and if we've learned anything, you ain't Murican unless you pop outta yer momma's coochie speakin' Murican

What is that supposed to mean?

Unless you are trying to say that there isn't a difference between the words and phrasing that people who have learned English as a first language and used it as their primary language for their entire lives and people that have learned English as a second language or have not used it as their primary language. The same goes for any language. You can be fluent in Spanish, but trust me, if you go to a Spanish speaking country they will know you are not a native Spanish speaker.

and, of all the questionable aspects to this story, I found it interesting that you focused on the fact that the speaker might not speak English as a first language. What was THAT supposed to mean?


It is supposed to mean that they claim the email came from a British citizen whose name would lead you to believe that he is a native speaker, but the way the sentenced is phrased doesn't sound like the way a native English speaker would do it. In other words it seems like a person from another country wrote this and is trying to pass it off as something a British defense contractor wrote.
 
2013-01-30 01:05:36 AM

Fail in Human Form: Allow me to sum up Alex Jones' position on Syria. The NWO is desperate and is losing the fight for our firearms. We must be disarmed before they can start rounding us up in FEMA camps, destroy the dollar, impose Chinese style working conditions on us, and then exterminate 99% of the population with a bio weapon so the new "royalty" can use its robot army to run the Earth with the select few humans remaining. Since the government runs Al Qaida, they're going to be directed by the president (who is a puppet of the NWO) to gain access to chemical weapons and use them against Syrian people as a pretext for starting WWIII. Then ensuing destruction, and desperate population, will allow the NWO to further their agenda before "enough people wake up" and realize their plans (which I won't type out because there's wayyy to many to list).


/I did not make any of that up, that's exactly what he's saying everyday on his show


I gotta start tuning into this guy.  He sounds hilarious.
 
2013-01-30 01:08:56 AM

jehovahs witness protection: The refusal to believe Obama isn't absolutely perfect is INSANE.


Dear god. I can't believe of ALL People, you're believing an infowars article cited in the Daily Fail.

Want to buy a Bridge in Brooklyn.
 
2013-01-30 01:09:00 AM

ongbok: skullkrusher: ongbok: skullkrusher: ongbok: FTFA:

It reads: 'Phil... We've got a new offer. It's about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

Would a native English speaker even phrase this sentence like this? This really sounds like a non-native English speaker wrote this.

and if we've learned anything, you ain't Murican unless you pop outta yer momma's coochie speakin' Murican

What is that supposed to mean?

Unless you are trying to say that there isn't a difference between the words and phrasing that people who have learned English as a first language and used it as their primary language for their entire lives and people that have learned English as a second language or have not used it as their primary language. The same goes for any language. You can be fluent in Spanish, but trust me, if you go to a Spanish speaking country they will know you are not a native Spanish speaker.

and, of all the questionable aspects to this story, I found it interesting that you focused on the fact that the speaker might not speak English as a first language. What was THAT supposed to mean?

It is supposed to mean that they claim the email came from a British citizen whose name would lead you to believe that he is a native speaker, but the way the sentenced is phrased doesn't sound like the way a native English speaker would do it. In other words it seems like a person from another country wrote this and is trying to pass it off as something a British defense contractor wrote.


ok then ;)
 
2013-01-30 01:14:01 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: doyner: No. If you already have the moral authority to act you don't need to compromise your position to do so.

That in itself is already a weird situation. If the rest of the world has the moral authority to act, why haven't they? Is a man less dead because he's killed with a bullet instead a nerve agent? How many lives can be taken with conventional weapons before the world community steps in, compared to how many can be taken with chemical weapons? Children are being tortured to death on a regular basis. Moral authority took a smoke break a few months ago.


We don't have the moral authority to act; or rather, the act we can take is circumscribed by that very moral authority.

Imagine that you live next door to a man you know is abusing his family. You can hear through the walls every night as he beats his wife, whips his children, kicks the dog, yells, screams, until he drops into bed in a drunken stupor. You've seen the wife and kids stagger out of the house every day covered in bruises and bloody welts and god knows how many dogs you've buried. Now: Do you have the moral authority to kick down his door some night and murder him in his bed because of his awful acts? No.

You can't argue that nobody would miss him--certainly not his beaten wife and kids; that this guy is an awful person and society is better off without him. Your authority stops at his door. You CAN call the cops, offer support to his wife and kids, testify against him at court, do all the things a civilized society lets you do. But you can't unilaterally break into his home and kill him because YOU, personally, find his acts repugnant and even illegal.

It's the same thing in the international community. Yes, Assad has done awful, murderous things. He's killed his own people, tortured them, probably worse. But if we call ourselves a moral society, we have no right to invade another country (kick the door down, so to speak) because WE say his acts are too awful to let stand. We can offer support to his people, offer intervention if they ask us to (like France did in Libya), help bring Assad and his ministers before the International Court. But if America or any other nation unilaterally invades to unseat Assad, things will turn out no better than they did in Iraq. And for the same reasons.
 
2013-01-30 01:21:44 AM
If somebody doesn't lose their job at Daily Mail over this journalism is truly dead.
 
2013-01-30 01:23:33 AM

zerkalo: If somebody doesn't lose their job at Daily Mail over this journalism is truly dead.


Why? Fark alone has driven over 1000 clicks to that crapfest so far. If I were that writer, I'd start dusting off the Platinum card.
 
2013-01-30 01:32:21 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Fail in Human Form: Allow me to sum up Alex Jones' position on Syria. The NWO is desperate and is losing the fight for our firearms. We must be disarmed before they can start rounding us up in FEMA camps, destroy the dollar, impose Chinese style working conditions on us, and then exterminate 99% of the population with a bio weapon so the new "royalty" can use its robot army to run the Earth with the select few humans remaining. Since the government runs Al Qaida, they're going to be directed by the president (who is a puppet of the NWO) to gain access to chemical weapons and use them against Syrian people as a pretext for starting WWIII. Then ensuing destruction, and desperate population, will allow the NWO to further their agenda before "enough people wake up" and realize their plans (which I won't type out because there's wayyy to many to list).


/I did not make any of that up, that's exactly what he's saying everyday on his show

I gotta start tuning into this guy.  He sounds hilarious.


It's entertaining for a few hours. He starts to say the same shiat over and over though and produces like 3 hours of it per day everyday for over a decade.
 
2013-01-30 01:38:39 AM

KarmicDisaster: LordJiro: KarmicDisaster: Daily Fail.  Nope.

Daily Fail citing Infowars, no less.

Infowars had some crazy claim that was featured on Fark about 6 months ago, but I can't remember exactly what it was. We were going to attack Iran the next week or something.


It would have happened, but brave InfoWars made it public, so Washington had to drop the plan.

/that's what infowars supporters believe
 
2013-01-30 01:39:40 AM
I Feel Like I'm Fixin To Die ...
For it's 1...2...3 what are we fightin' for...
We supported Iraq when they attacked Iran to cut off Iran's oil
We spanked Iraq when they attacked Kuwait for angle drilling under Iraq to steal Iraq's oil.
We attack Afghanistan for not kicking al Qaeda out, even though 16 of the 19, September 11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, then spend 12 years trying to kick al Qaeda out...unsuccessfully only 3257 American soldiers died because they hated our freedoms
We then invade Iraq with "ginned up" intelligence killing over 120,000 civilians(according to our own documents released by WikiLeaks) and allowing 4488 American soldiers to die.
We are using drone aircraft to kill foreigners AND American citizens with 5 civilians dying for every 1 "suspected terrorist" killed.
t3.gstatic.com
Remember the Maine
Gulf of Tonkin
Al Qaeda in Afghanistan
WMDs in Iraq
Read about "Operation Northwoods" if you don't believe America is capable of committing a False Flag attack
 
2013-01-30 01:43:19 AM

mediablitz: KarmicDisaster: LordJiro: KarmicDisaster: Daily Fail.  Nope.

Daily Fail citing Infowars, no less.

Infowars had some crazy claim that was featured on Fark about 6 months ago, but I can't remember exactly what it was. We were going to attack Iran the next week or something.

It would have happened, but brave InfoWars made it public, so Washington had to drop the plan.

/that's what infowars supporters believe


In fact, they flew the hardcopy of the plan out of Qatar using a black helicopter.
 
2013-01-30 01:46:44 AM

Satyagraha: I Feel Like I'm Fixin To Die ...
For it's 1...2...3 what are we fightin' for...
We supported Iraq when they attacked Iran to cut off Iran's oil
We spanked Iraq when they attacked Kuwait for angle drilling under Iraq to steal Iraq's oil.
We attack Afghanistan for not kicking al Qaeda out, even though 16 of the 19, September 11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, then spend 12 years trying to kick al Qaeda out...unsuccessfully only 3257 American soldiers died because they hated our freedoms
We then invade Iraq with "ginned up" intelligence killing over 120,000 civilians(according to our own documents released by WikiLeaks) and allowing 4488 American soldiers to die.
We are using drone aircraft to kill foreigners AND American citizens with 5 civilians dying for every 1 "suspected terrorist" killed.
[t3.gstatic.com image 182x276]
Remember the Maine
Gulf of Tonkin
Al Qaeda in Afghanistan
WMDs in Iraq
Read about "Operation Northwoods" if you don't believe America is capable of committing a False Flag attack


www.tinfoilonmyhead.com

The one person who proposed Operation Northwoods was run out of his position because the suggestion was viewed as completely abhorrent. Your paranoid, delusional argument is invalid.
 
2013-01-30 01:50:03 AM

zerkalo: If somebody doesn't lose their job at Daily Mail over this journalism is truly dead.


You're making the assumption that the Daily Mail actually cares about journalism.
 
2013-01-30 01:50:50 AM

ongbok: The same goes for any language. You can be fluent in Spanish, but trust me, if you go to a Spanish speaking country they will know you are not a native Spanish speaker.


Assuming all Spanish-speaking countries are equal = silliness.
 
2013-01-30 01:52:07 AM

BronyMedic: Satyagraha: I Feel Like I'm Fixin To Die ...
For it's 1...2...3 what are we fightin' for...
We supported Iraq when they attacked Iran to cut off Iran's oil
We spanked Iraq when they attacked Kuwait for angle drilling under Iraq to steal Iraq's oil.
We attack Afghanistan for not kicking al Qaeda out, even though 16 of the 19, September 11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, then spend 12 years trying to kick al Qaeda out...unsuccessfully only 3257 American soldiers died because they hated our freedoms
We then invade Iraq with "ginned up" intelligence killing over 120,000 civilians(according to our own documents released by WikiLeaks) and allowing 4488 American soldiers to die.
We are using drone aircraft to kill foreigners AND American citizens with 5 civilians dying for every 1 "suspected terrorist" killed.
[t3.gstatic.com image 182x276]
Remember the Maine
Gulf of Tonkin
Al Qaeda in Afghanistan
WMDs in Iraq
Read about "Operation Northwoods" if you don't believe America is capable of committing a False Flag attack

[www.tinfoilonmyhead.com image 215x182]

The one person who proposed Operation Northwoods was run out of his position because the suggestion was viewed as completely abhorrent. Your paranoid, delusional argument is invalid.


I love how these paranoid crazies point to "Operation Northwoods" It has been debunked so many times, you think they would actually pay attention to that.
 
2013-01-30 01:52:27 AM
I don't usually complain about what gets greened, because there are so many really lame green lights, but THIS sets a new standard for craptastic green lights.

Subby even buys into this stupidity, making it double-craptastic.

Just the tiniest bit of standards would be nice for this site.
 
2013-01-30 02:02:40 AM

Zeppelininthesky: BronyMedic: Satyagraha: I Feel Like I'm Fixin To Die ...
For it's 1...2...3 what are we fightin' for...
We supported Iraq when they attacked Iran to cut off Iran's oil
We spanked Iraq when they attacked Kuwait for angle drilling under Iraq to steal Iraq's oil.
We attack Afghanistan for not kicking al Qaeda out, even though 16 of the 19, September 11 hijackers were from Saudi Arabia, then spend 12 years trying to kick al Qaeda out...unsuccessfully only 3257 American soldiers died because they hated our freedoms
We then invade Iraq with "ginned up" intelligence killing over 120,000 civilians(according to our own documents released by WikiLeaks) and allowing 4488 American soldiers to die.
We are using drone aircraft to kill foreigners AND American citizens with 5 civilians dying for every 1 "suspected terrorist" killed.
[t3.gstatic.com image 182x276]
Remember the Maine
Gulf of Tonkin
Al Qaeda in Afghanistan
WMDs in Iraq
Read about "Operation Northwoods" if you don't believe America is capable of committing a False Flag attack

[www.tinfoilonmyhead.com image 215x182]

The one person who proposed Operation Northwoods was run out of his position because the suggestion was viewed as completely abhorrent. Your paranoid, delusional argument is invalid.

I love how these paranoid crazies point to "Operation Northwoods" It has been debunked so many times, you think they would actually pay attention to that.


You might want to click on Satyagraha's name, and read his profile. He's not a poe or troll. I think he's a real, live, Alex Jones drone.
 
2013-01-30 02:07:21 AM
First he fires all his military leaders who won't fire upon Americans, and now this? THIS MAN IS A MONSTER!
 
2013-01-30 02:09:10 AM

BronyMedic: The one person who proposed Operation Northwoods was run out of his position because the suggestion was viewed as completely abhorrent. Your paranoid, delusional argument is invalid.

Run out of his position...in Dallas...I get it
The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit perceived acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.[3] One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project anti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff,
but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.

I see, the fact that the entire Joint Chiefs drew up and unanimously approved a plan for a false flag attack (even as far as attacking US cities) to start a war...yup, that's delusional all right
 
2013-01-30 02:12:19 AM
The Government has already used drones to spray all of downtown Portland with LSD.

/it's the only explanation.
 
2013-01-30 02:18:45 AM

Satyagraha: BronyMedic: The one person who proposed Operation Northwoods was run out of his position because the suggestion was viewed as completely abhorrent. Your paranoid, delusional argument is invalid.
Run out of his position...in Dallas...I get it
The proposals called for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), or other operatives, to commit perceived acts of terrorism in U.S. cities and elsewhere. These acts of terrorism were to be blamed on Cuba in order to create public support for a war against that nation, which had recently become communist under Fidel Castro.[3] One part of Operation Northwoods was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

Operation Northwoods proposals included hijackings and bombings followed by the introduction of phony evidence that would implicate the Cuban government. It stated:

The desired resultant from the execution of this plan would be to place the United States in the apparent position of suffering defensible grievances from a rash and irresponsible government of Cuba and to develop an international image of a Cuban threat to peace in the Western Hemisphere.

Several other proposals were included within Operation Northwoods, including real or simulated actions against various U.S. military and civilian targets. The plan was drafted by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, signed by Chairman Lyman Lemnitzer and sent to the Secretary of Defense. Although part of the U.S. government's Cuban Project anti-communist initiative, Operation Northwoods was never officially accepted; it was authorized by the Joint Chiefs of Staff,but then rejected by President John F. Kennedy.

I see, the fact that the entire Joint Chiefs drew up and unanimously approved a plan for a false flag attack (even as far as attacking US cities) to start a war...yup, that's delusional all right


It was totally rejected and could never be implemented anyway. Plus the person who proposed it was fired.

The continuing push against the Cuban government by internal elements of the U.S. military and intelligence communities (the failed Bay of Pigs Invasion, the Cuban Project, etc.) had already prompted President John F. Kennedy to attempt to rein in burgeoning hardline anti-Communist sentiment that was intent on proactive, aggressive action against communist movements around the globe. After the Bay of Pigs, Kennedy had fired CIA director Allen W. Dulles, Deputy Director Charles P. Cabell, and Deputy Director Richard Bissell, and turned his attention towards Vietnam. Kennedy had also stripped the CIA of responsibility for paramilitary operations like the Bay of Pigs and turned them over to the U.S. Department of Defense and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, which, as Commander in Chief, Kennedy could more directly control. Personally, Kennedy expressed outrage to many of his associates about the CIA's growing influence on civilians and government inside America[citation needed], and his attempt to curtail the CIA's extensive Cold War and paramilitary operations was a direct expression of this concern.
Kennedy personally rejected the Northwoods proposal, and it would now be the Joint Chiefs' turn to incur his displeasure. A JCS/Pentagon document (Ed Lansdale memo) dated 16 March 1962 titled MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT, 16 MARCH 1962 reads: "General Lemnitzer commented that the military had contingency plans for U.S. intervention. Also it had plans for creating plausible pretexts to use force, with the pretext either attacks on U.S. aircraft or a Cuban action in Latin America for which we could retaliate. The President said bluntly that we were not discussing the use of military force, that General Lemnitzer might find the U.S so engaged in Berlin or elsewhere that he couldn't use the contemplated 4 divisions in Cuba."[21] The proposal was sent for approval to the Secretary of Defense, Robert McNamara, but was not implemented.
(Some fifty years later when asked about the plot by journalist David Talbot, Robert McNamara drew a blank. "I have absolutely zero recollection of it. But I sure as hell would have rejected it," McNamara said, adding, "I really can't believe that anyone was proposing such provocative acts in Miami. How stupid!" [22])
Following presentation of the Northwoods plan, Kennedy removed Lemnitzer as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, although he became Supreme Allied Commander of NATO in January 1963. American armed forces leaders began to perceive Kennedy as going soft on Cuba, and the President became increasingly unpopular with the military, a rift that came to a head during Kennedy's disagreements with the service chiefs over the Cuban Missile Crisis.
On 3 August 2001, the National Assembly of People's Power of Cuba (the main legislative body of the Republic of Cuba) issued a statement referring to Operation Northwoods and Operation Mongoose wherein it condemned such U.S. government plans.[23]
 
2013-01-30 02:21:16 AM
This is farking retarded Flacco-approved stupid, considering our total non-involvement for the past, oh, 21 months of the revolt.
 
2013-01-30 02:30:29 AM
This is Alex Jones, the man in charge of InfoWars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2UXmTGK4M

Worth a laugh, but keep in mind this maniac has a lot of followers.
 
2013-01-30 02:31:10 AM

Wayne 985: This is Alex Jones, the man in charge of InfoWars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2UXmTGK4M

Worth a laugh, but keep in mind this maniac has a lot of followers.


Even better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2UXmTGK4M
 
2013-01-30 02:31:55 AM

Wayne 985: Wayne 985: This is Alex Jones, the man in charge of InfoWars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2UXmTGK4M

Worth a laugh, but keep in mind this maniac has a lot of followers.

Even better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2UXmTGK4M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xog5FoODC4s

Yes, I'm inept.
 
2013-01-30 02:33:53 AM

Wayne 985: Wayne 985: This is Alex Jones, the man in charge of InfoWars:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2UXmTGK4M

Worth a laugh, but keep in mind this maniac has a lot of followers.

Even better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR2UXmTGK4M


This one's better Link
 
2013-01-30 02:50:58 AM
Reading this book right now, so I'm getting a kick from these comments.

www.american-buddha.com
 
2013-01-30 02:55:05 AM
So the Daily Mail said that InfoWars said that these contractors said that the Qataris said that Michelle Obama's hairdresser said that her friend Suzie's cousin who works at the Pentagon heard that her boss approved a chemical attack on Syria! I know, totally messed up, right?!
 
2013-01-30 02:56:23 AM
They're using Infowars as a source and this didn't get a Satire tag?
 
2013-01-30 03:30:28 AM

Gyrfalcon:
Imagine that you live next door to a man you know is abusing his family. You can hear through the walls every night as he beats his wife, whips his children, kicks the dog, yells, screams, until he drops into bed in a drunken stupor. You've seen the wife and kids stagger out of the house every day covered in bruises and bloody welts and god knows how many dogs you've buried. Now: Do you have the moral authority to kick down his door some night and murder him in his bed because of his awful acts? No.


But to do nothing while assault is knowingly being carried out and to do nothing is morally reprehensible. No one is asking for his murder, they are asking to intervene to stop the violence. If he gets killed because he doesn't cooperate and stand down, then that's his choice.

Wars and genocide are lesions in what not to allow happen if it's within your power to intercede. To sit idly by hand-wringing and tut-tutting is cowardice and questions your own moral superiority.
 
2013-01-30 03:36:51 AM

NewportBarGuy: Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: How many lives can be taken with conventional weapons before the world community steps in

Many, many, many, many, many... As long as it is their own people. We really don't give a sh*t. This is what I've learned.


As long as we can TELL ourselves it's their own people.  Half the time, they're just occupied people about whom we care little.
 
2013-01-30 03:42:45 AM

Satyagraha: Read about "Operation Northwoods" if you don't believe America is capable of committing a False Flag attack


The fact that it didn't happen kinds puts a damper on that assertion.  All you can say is that America is capable of CONSIDERING THEN REJECTING a false flag attack.

Kennedy: [about the Operation Northwoods] For a time, I was tempted by the offer.
Advisor: How long a time?
Kennedy: 0.68 seconds. For a President, that is nearly an eternity.
 
2013-01-30 04:20:49 AM

Lionel Mandrake: Fail in Human Form: Allow me to sum up Alex Jones' position on Syria. The NWO is desperate and is losing the fight for our firearms. We must be disarmed before they can start rounding us up in FEMA camps, destroy the dollar, impose Chinese style working conditions on us, and then exterminate 99% of the population with a bio weapon so the new "royalty" can use its robot army to run the Earth with the select few humans remaining. Since the government runs Al Qaida, they're going to be directed by the president (who is a puppet of the NWO) to gain access to chemical weapons and use them against Syrian people as a pretext for starting WWIII. Then ensuing destruction, and desperate population, will allow the NWO to further their agenda before "enough people wake up" and realize their plans (which I won't type out because there's wayyy to many to list).

/I did not make any of that up, that's exactly what he's saying everyday on his show

I gotta start tuning into this guy.  He sounds hilarious.


About a month ago, while whiling away the time waiting for my son's wrestling practice to end, I hit the tuner on the car radio to see what was worth listening to - when I discovered the joy that is the Alex Jones show. (BTW, it seems to alternate on my local station with any number of other "liberty" types. Some who seem to be more grounded in reality than others, but all of whom seemed to be convinced that there is some over-riding grand conspiracy of some sort being unleashed or managed by the "powers that be" to rule over us.) What was written and quoted above is a damned near verbatim account of what Alex Jones typically says.

But I will say, listening to Jones and his counterparts on the local "liberty" station has been very entertaining for the most part. I did not realize, until listening, that I was just one of the "sheeple" who was being controlled and manipulated by having had all of my vaccinations. By the "chemtrail" large scale population (mind control) agents being unleashed by the US Air Force on a daily basis. That the "government owned" media was being used to brainwash us ignorant masses into playing along with the conspiracy. And ultimately, I (and you) are being lead like innocent lambs to slaughter because we just didn't know the "truth." But, all the while we are blissfully unaware of the situation it is "brave souls" like Alex Jones who risk their lives, liberty and property by informing us of all of these things the NWO Govt is doing to us at such great personal sacrifice.

During the advertisements, dominated by MLM vitamin/mineral scams, emergency supply providers, like freeze dried meals and water decontamination units, along with "liberty" garden supplies to grow your own food for the upcoming Zombie apocalypse, I was completely surprised that no one was selling special "sunglasses" which would allow you to see things as they really are and help us identify the aliens among us who are really controlling things.

I really didn't know much about Jones until then, But it caused me to go back and read/listen to some of his earlier predictions and claims - what a hoot! To think that anyone with a functioning IQ above that of a glass of water could listen to this guy and think he had any credibility is simply astounding.
 
2013-01-30 04:45:28 AM
Ah, yes. Because Republicans would be so very very concerned about killing people who aren't them, because they totally are not selfish, idiot farkwads.
 
2013-01-30 05:05:48 AM

ongbok: FTFA:

It reads: 'Phil... We've got a new offer. It's about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

Would a native English speaker even phrase this sentence like this? This really sounds like a non-native English speaker wrote this.


As a Native English speaker of 46+ years, I see nothing anomalous or unusual about this phraseology..

/I felt my username required I respond..
 
2013-01-30 05:20:58 AM

fusillade762: The Daily Mail sourcing Infowars? That's dividing the derp by zero.


Seriously? Has Fox News even done that?
 
2013-01-30 05:42:28 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: No, but that's not really the point of my question. This situation is more analogous to a shelter that routinely abuses their animals, and while we're more than willing to write a pointed op-ed column about it every so often, we scoff at the idea of adopting any of the animals still living inside because it would inconvenience us.


Great analogy.  Don't mind my slow clapping.
 
2013-01-30 05:44:19 AM

fusillade762: Reading this book right now, so I'm getting a kick from these comments.

[www.american-buddha.com image 558x866]


Jon Ronson?

upload.wikimedia.org

Please pick up the white courtesy phone.
 
2013-01-30 06:14:52 AM

fusillade762: The Daily Mail sourcing Infowars? That's dividing the derp by zero.


Came to say this. Who would have thought there way a way to make the Daily Fail even less trustworthy.
 
2013-01-30 06:15:58 AM
Any reasonable person stopped at: "According to infowars.com..." (the smart ones didn't even click the Daily Fail link).


"When we are alarmed with imaginary dangers in respect of the public, till the cry grows quite stale and threadbare, how can it be expected we should know when to guard ourselves against real ones?"

~Samuel Croxall  1722
 
2013-01-30 06:47:52 AM
Infowars claims that hackers claim that Britam claims that Qataris claim that the scheme is Washington-approved.

I think we're truely ready to impeach now.
 
2013-01-30 07:08:58 AM

The Repeated Meme: Wasn't there some SS officer at Nuremburg who got off because he proved Allied forces carried out the same actions he was accused of? A war crime can be defined as "something we didn't do."

/getting bored of the Middle East
//looking forward to the Scramble for Africa reboot


No. "Tu quoque" did not fly at Nuremberg. Lawyers who tried it soon found that out.

You might be thinking of a different trial. There were no SS officers at Nuremberg unless you count Speer, who had been a kind of honorary SS officer since the early 30s. Something to do with a motoring club, as I recall.
 
2013-01-30 07:18:16 AM

lawboy87: I was completely surprised that no one was selling special "sunglasses" which would allow you to see things as they really are and help us identify the aliens among us who are really controlling things.


Fark need, I want those lol

/CONSUME
 
2013-01-30 07:36:36 AM

vygramul: Satyagraha: Read about "Operation Northwoods" if you don't believe America is capable of committing a False Flag attack

The fact that it didn't happen kinds puts a damper on that assertion.  All you can say is that America is capable of CONSIDERING THEN REJECTING a false flag attack.

Kennedy: [about the Operation Northwoods] For a time, I was tempted by the offer.
Advisor: How long a time?
Kennedy: 0.68 seconds. For a President, that is nearly an eternity.


+2 (I added an extra point for making a Next Gen movie reference.)
 
2013-01-30 07:36:59 AM
Well... we did give Saddam bio/chem weapons, and then we replenished his supplies after he gassed the Kurds, so it wouldn't be out of character.
 
2013-01-30 07:41:58 AM

fusillade762: The Daily Mail sourcing Infowars? That's dividing the derp by zero.


I've noticed that Drudge has been linking to Infowars a lot. But, in almost every case, a quick Google search can find verification of whatever the story is from multiple, legitimate sources. I've come to the conclusion that the powers-that-be use Infowars to sway people into believing that something that happened didn't happen. And it works. People refuse to believe a lot of things that can be easily verified, just because their first knowledge of it came from Infowars. No wonder the politicians treat us like idiots; for the most part, we are.
 
2013-01-30 07:46:16 AM
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2013-01-30 07:50:12 AM
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2013-01-30 07:51:30 AM

DrPainMD: fusillade762: The Daily Mail sourcing Infowars? That's dividing the derp by zero.

I've noticed that Drudge has been linking to Infowars a lot. But, in almost every case, a quick Google search can find verification of whatever the story is from multiple, legitimate sources. I've come to the conclusion that the powers-that-be use Infowars to sway people into believing that something that happened didn't happen. And it works. People refuse to believe a lot of things that can be easily verified, just because their first knowledge of it came from Infowars. No wonder the politicians treat us like idiots; for the most part, we are.


So, your conspiracy theory is the that the government is using conspiracy theorists to make us think legitimate stories are conspiracy theories.

i.qkme.me
 
2013-01-30 07:52:17 AM
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I think this deserves a congressional investigation -Rand Paul
 
2013-01-30 07:54:01 AM

NobleHam: So the Daily Mail said that InfoWars said that these contractors said that the Qataris said that Michelle Obama's hairdresser said that her friend Suzie's cousin who works at the Pentagon heard that her boss approved a chemical attack on Syria! I know, totally messed up, right?!


I guess it's pretty serious.
 
2013-01-30 08:06:39 AM
You know, there's plenty of things this administration has done so catastrophically wrong that you really shouldn't need to make wildly unsubstantiated accusations that make no sense.

If we wanted an excuse to get involved in Syria do you really think we'd do something as silly as frame Assad with chemical weapons?
 
2013-01-30 08:09:21 AM
You mean like Ronald Reagan selling chemical weapons to Iraq, with Donald Rumsfeld brokering the sale so Saddam could gas the Kurds?
 
2013-01-30 08:21:34 AM
FTFA: It reads: 'Phil... We've got a new offer. It's about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

While as solid as this source is, I am awaiting confirmation from my sister's friend's cousin's brother's barber's dog's veterinarian before I accept it as fact.
 
2013-01-30 08:32:54 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: doyner: No. If you already have the moral authority to act you don't need to compromise your position to do so.

That in itself is already a weird situation. If the rest of the world has the moral authority to act, why haven't they? Is a man less dead because he's killed with a bullet instead a nerve agent? How many lives can be taken with conventional weapons before the world community steps in, compared to how many can be taken with chemical weapons? Children are being tortured to death on a regular basis. Moral authority took a smoke break a few months ago.


Thing is, messing with a country's civil war can be a bit problematic. There's been a lot of times when that's gone to hell. Especially if the populous views the new regime as a puppet/creation of the foreign powers that intervened.
 
2013-01-30 08:35:57 AM

NewportBarGuy: Sgt Otter: So that's why they nick-named him "Boom-Boom!"

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"Please excuse U.S. forces from this free-for-all. Sincerely, Epstein's Mother."


What makes me sad is that both of those gentlemen are no longer with us. Sigh.

/good times, good times
 
2013-01-30 08:52:09 AM

randomjsa: You know, there's plenty of things this administration has done so catastrophically wrong that you really shouldn't need to make wildly unsubstantiated accusations that make no sense.

If we wanted an excuse to get involved in Syria do you really think we'd do something as silly as frame Assad with chemical weapons?


Plenty of things? Like?
 
2013-01-30 08:59:35 AM
The refusal to believe the United States would conduct a false flag operation is INSANE.
 
2013-01-30 09:05:29 AM

oryx: The refusal to believe the United States would conduct a false flag operation is INSANE.


I don't put it past them, has been proven in the past, but I just don't see a need here unless you think it's all one big conspiracy.

/I don't get my invite to the private security meetings to have enough information to decide one way or the other
//I'm sure it just go lost in the mail lol
///Still seems unlikely to me *shrug*
 
2013-01-30 09:07:24 AM

Kibbler: The Repeated Meme: Wasn't there some SS officer at Nuremburg who got off because he proved Allied forces carried out the same actions he was accused of? A war crime can be defined as "something we didn't do."

/getting bored of the Middle East
//looking forward to the Scramble for Africa reboot


No. "Tu quoque" did not fly at Nuremberg. Lawyers who tried it soon found that out.

You might be thinking of a different trial. There were no SS officers at Nuremberg unless you count Speer, who had been a kind of honorary SS officer since the early 30s. Something to do with a motoring club, as I recall.


He's probably thinking of Admiral Karl Donitz, who was prosecuted for unrestricted submarine warfare, and found guilty but not sentenced for that charge because the Allies had similar policies. There's a few things wrong with TRM's account though -- 1) Donitz was not an "SS officer" but a member of the regular military (he might not even have been a Nazi Party member, although Wikipedia is unclear on this); 2) IIRC, Admiral Chester Nimitz provided his testimony freely -- the Allies' conduct was not "proven" by the defense as suggested by TRM; 3) like I said, he was still found guilty, meaning unrestricted submarine warfare is still a war crime.

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2013-01-30 09:16:06 AM
National Enquirer is jealous.


i can't imagine even the U.S. doing something that stupid.

then again, History has shown we're pretty much capable of doing anything as long as we can be certain the spin is right.


we invaded Iraq by mistake which resulted in ~200,000 dead iraqi's


ooops.
 
2013-01-30 09:20:16 AM
The email doesn't say WHEN it was "approved by Washington."

Perhaps "approved by Washington" was a reference to Reagan's arming of Saddam Hussein and ignoring his use of chemical weapons on his own people.

According to Infowars.com, the December 25 email was sent from Britam's Business Development Director David Goulding to company founder Philip Doughty.

Sounds legit.

It reads: 'Phil... We've got a new offer. It's about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

And if we can't trust the Qataris when they "swear" that they have a third party's approval, who can we trust?

www.atariage.com
 
2013-01-30 09:24:17 AM

fusillade762: Reading this book right now, so I'm getting a kick from these comments.

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Thanks for sharing - I'm ordering it right now.
 
2013-01-30 09:28:06 AM

oryx: The refusal to believe the United States would conduct a false flag operation is INSANE.


What about the belief that they are based on one unsubstantiated email that refers to a third party "swearing" that they have US approval?
 
2013-01-30 09:29:38 AM

Fail in Human Form: oryx: The refusal to believe the United States would conduct a false flag operation is INSANE.

I don't put it past them, has been proven in the past, but I just don't see a need here unless you think it's all one big conspiracy.

/I don't get my invite to the private security meetings to have enough information to decide one way or the other
//I'm sure it just go lost in the mail lol
///Still seems unlikely to me *shrug*


Why would you involve another country and these contractors? Why not just have, you know, THE FARKING CIA do it without risking multiple leaks?
 
2013-01-30 09:47:39 AM
so a recursive false flag, false flag, false flag,.....
 
2013-01-30 09:51:49 AM

Fail in Human Form: oryx: The refusal to believe the United States would conduct a false flag operation is INSANE.

I don't put it past them, has been proven in the past, but I just don't see a need here unless you think it's all one big conspiracy.


This. One must also consider the situations in which false-flag operations are typically used: the consequences of getting caught are very, very bad, so it's not something done lightly. The atrocities in Syria do not seem to be considered serious enough to be worth that risk: a fact which may itself eventually be considered a less-than-shining moment in US history, but there you have it. The US has no motive.
 
2013-01-30 10:53:27 AM

Zeppelininthesky: Following presentation of the Northwoods plan, Kennedy removed Lemnitzer as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, although he became Supreme Allied Commander of NATO in January 1963. American armed forces leaders began to perceive Kennedy as going soft on Cuba, and the President became increasingly unpopular with the military, a rift that came to a head during Kennedy's disagreements with the service chiefs over the Cuban Missile Crisis.


Yeah it really sounds like his career was over at that point. Poor guy only became Supreme Allied Commander of NATO while Kennedy went on to even greater power and influence that year for bravely standing up to the military and intelligence agencies.
 
2013-01-30 11:35:33 AM
If this is true (assertions from the article) the Republicans might actually have their first real Obama political scandal to exploit.
 
2013-01-30 11:50:59 AM

Aldon: If this is true (assertions from the article) the Republicans might actually have their first real Obama political scandal to exploit.


If this is true (it's not), someone should be brought up on war crimes charges (they won't be because it's false)
 
2013-01-30 12:10:03 PM
So an email exchange between two people at a company that quotes a third party who claims it's true means Obama is a hypocrite?

"news"
 
2013-01-30 01:31:43 PM
This might be a good point to point out to non-British people that The Daily Mail is far, far more clever than you might think.

It's essentially two papers, one online, one off. They're entirely different in character. The off-line paper version is a stuffy, Little England, reactionist guff mid-brow tabloid that markets to people who don't realise they're midmarket and like to think of themselves as high-brow. It's aimed at your middle class elderly racist grandmother She doesn't go online. The on-[line version have a much different mix of stories, and has been designed as a perfect storm of click-bait. It's designed to shock and outrage for clicks. There's a reason that a parochial British mid-level tabloid has one of the most visited "newspaper" sites in the world.

This story is not in the actual paper.
 
2013-01-30 04:20:48 PM
guess it was a bad article cuz even the daily fail pulled it down.
 
2013-01-30 05:09:05 PM

randomjsa: You know, there's plenty of things this administration has done so catastrophically wrong that you really shouldn't need to make wildly unsubstantiated accusations that make no sense.

If we wanted an excuse to get involved in Syria do you really think we'd do something as silly as frame Assad with chemical weapons?


Name them. I bet you can' name one that is real and tangible.
 
2013-01-30 05:25:11 PM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: DrPainMD: fusillade762: The Daily Mail sourcing Infowars? That's dividing the derp by zero.

I've noticed that Drudge has been linking to Infowars a lot. But, in almost every case, a quick Google search can find verification of whatever the story is from multiple, legitimate sources. I've come to the conclusion that the powers-that-be use Infowars to sway people into believing that something that happened didn't happen. And it works. People refuse to believe a lot of things that can be easily verified, just because their first knowledge of it came from Infowars. No wonder the politicians treat us like idiots; for the most part, we are.

So, your conspiracy theory is the that the government is using conspiracy theorists to make us think legitimate stories are conspiracy theories.

[i.qkme.me image 625x415]


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Morris Fletcher: You guys are the Lone Gunmen, aren't you? You guys are my heroes. I mean look at the crap you print.

Byers: We uncover the truth.

Morris Fletcher: The truth? That's what's so great about you monkeys. Not only do you believe the horse pucky we create, you broadcast it as well. I mean look at this!

[headline reads: "Saddam testing mandroid army in Iraqi desert."]

Morris Fletcher: There is no Saddam Hussein. This guy's name is John Gillnitz, we found him doing dinner theatre in Tulsa. Did a mean "King and I." Plays good ethnics.

Ringo Langly: Are you trying to say that Saddam Hussein is a goverment plant?

Morris Fletcher: I'm saying I invented the guy. We set him up in '79. He rattles his saber whenever we need a good distraction. Ah... if you boys only knew how many of your stories I dreamed up while on the pot.
 
2013-01-30 06:04:12 PM

skullkrusher: Aldon: If this is true (assertions from the article) the Republicans might actually have their first real Obama political scandal to exploit.

If this is true (it's not), someone should be brought up on war crimes charges (they won't be because it's false)


You mean like faking intel to invade Iraq to get the WMDs?
 
2013-01-30 11:27:27 PM

Arkanaut: Kibbler: The Repeated Meme: Wasn't there some SS officer at Nuremburg who got off because he proved Allied forces carried out the same actions he was accused of? A war crime can be defined as "something we didn't do."

/getting bored of the Middle East
//looking forward to the Scramble for Africa reboot

No. "Tu quoque" did not fly at Nuremberg. Lawyers who tried it soon found that out.

You might be thinking of a different trial. There were no SS officers at Nuremberg unless you count Speer, who had been a kind of honorary SS officer since the early 30s. Something to do with a motoring club, as I recall.

He's probably thinking of Admiral Karl Donitz, who was prosecuted for unrestricted submarine warfare, and found guilty but not sentenced for that charge because the Allies had similar policies. There's a few things wrong with TRM's account though -- 1) Donitz was not an "SS officer" but a member of the regular military (he might not even have been a Nazi Party member, although Wikipedia is unclear on this); 2) IIRC, Admiral Chester Nimitz provided his testimony freely -- the Allies' conduct was not "proven" by the defense as suggested by TRM; 3) like I said, he was still found guilty, meaning unrestricted submarine warfare is still a war crime.

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Doenitz was most def a hard coreNazi.  He became Hitler's chosensuccessor after Borman, Goering and Himmler screwed up in their own dysfunctional ways and was the head of state after Hitler's death.  They all should have been shot. Especially Speer, "Oh I'm really sorry about that massive slave labor program I helped set up with Ley and Saukel that directly led to the deaths of millions, but here's my sad story about how Hitler hurt my feelings and my bullshiat memoir that even the most basic and cursory fact checking can debunk. don't kill me pls!"
If Keitel and Jodl got executed and they were regular military than Doenitz deserved it too.

Ernst Kaltenbrunner was chief of the SS Einsatzgruppen and later the whole camp system (i think) and he was tried and executed at Nuremburg.
Most of the other SS officers captured were tried in the countries their atrocities were committed in.

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2013-01-31 12:06:43 AM

lohphat: skullkrusher: Aldon: If this is true (assertions from the article) the Republicans might actually have their first real Obama political scandal to exploit.

If this is true (it's not), someone should be brought up on war crimes charges (they won't be because it's false)

You mean like faking intel to invade Iraq to get the WMDs?


No I meant something different than that. See, I was referring to the use of WMDs to provide an excuse to invade a country. See? Different.
 
2013-01-31 05:20:32 AM

skullkrusher: lohphat: skullkrusher: Aldon: If this is true (assertions from the article) the Republicans might actually have their first real Obama political scandal to exploit.

If this is true (it's not), someone should be brought up on war crimes charges (they won't be because it's false)

You mean like faking intel to invade Iraq to get the WMDs?

No I meant something different than that. See, I was referring to the use of WMDs to provide an excuse to invade a country. See? Different.


I think I might be the only one on the internet who consistently understands you.  Holy sh*t, dude, maybe this is your limbo.
 
2013-01-31 10:39:42 AM

ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha: DrPainMD: fusillade762: The Daily Mail sourcing Infowars? That's dividing the derp by zero.

I've noticed that Drudge has been linking to Infowars a lot. But, in almost every case, a quick Google search can find verification of whatever the story is from multiple, legitimate sources. I've come to the conclusion that the powers-that-be use Infowars to sway people into believing that something that happened didn't happen. And it works. People refuse to believe a lot of things that can be easily verified, just because their first knowledge of it came from Infowars. No wonder the politicians treat us like idiots; for the most part, we are.

So, your conspiracy theory is the that the government is using conspiracy theorists to make us think legitimate stories are conspiracy theories.

[i.qkme.me image 625x415]


It's not a theory. More often than not, you can find legitimate news outlets, or even official government web sites, running the same stories as Infowars. Try it and see.
 
2013-01-31 11:43:36 AM

thamike: skullkrusher: lohphat: skullkrusher: Aldon: If this is true (assertions from the article) the Republicans might actually have their first real Obama political scandal to exploit.

If this is true (it's not), someone should be brought up on war crimes charges (they won't be because it's false)

You mean like faking intel to invade Iraq to get the WMDs?

No I meant something different than that. See, I was referring to the use of WMDs to provide an excuse to invade a country. See? Different.

I think I might be the only one on the internet who consistently understands you.  Holy sh*t, dude, maybe this is your limbo.


I'm like a farking onion. Take a bite.
If you dare.

/taking a bite of an onion would be gross
 
2013-01-31 01:21:45 PM

DrPainMD: It's not a theory. More often than not, you can find legitimate news outlets, or even official government web sites, running the same stories as Infowars. Try it and see.


Maybe Infowars is really a government op to damage the credibility of mainstream news.
 
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