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(CNN)   You know how you pay $150-500 for Microsoft Office? Well now they want you to pay only $100. The catch? Per year   (money.cnn.com) divider line 101
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2013-01-29 04:03:15 PM  
That's cool, open office is free
 
2013-01-29 04:04:03 PM  

Voiceofreason01: That's cool, open office is free


And Google Docs....you know before Google starts charging for it.
 
2013-01-29 04:10:00 PM  
Subscription pricing models really are all the rage nowadays. This will be one of those areas it doesn't work though.
 
2013-01-29 04:44:46 PM  

encyclopediaplushuman: Voiceofreason01: That's cool, open office is free

And Google Docs....you know before Google starts charging for it.


That's alright. There's always Pirate Bay.

I don't normally pirate things, but if something should be available at a reasonable price and isn't - and the only reason for that is a company's greed - then I will absolutely do it. 

Case in point: if MS were to move Office to an all-subscription service, it would be pirating or Open Office for me.
 
2013-01-29 04:44:57 PM  
Last time I priced out Office they wanted almost $400 for it.  Is Subby buying his off the back of a truck?
 
2013-01-29 04:47:52 PM  

Lsherm: Last time I priced out Office they wanted almost $400 for it.  Is Subby buying his off the back of a truck?


The price depends on the products you want. So yes, up to $400, but the lowest end is $130.

/and most of the products by themselves cost $110.
 
2013-01-29 04:49:29 PM  

Lsherm: Last time I priced out Office they wanted almost $400 for it.  Is Subby buying his off the back of a truck?


How long has it been?  2010 has multiple versions, ranging in price from $120-$470 (on newegg at least).
 
2013-01-29 04:50:31 PM  

wxboy: Lsherm: Last time I priced out Office they wanted almost $400 for it.  Is Subby buying his off the back of a truck?

How long has it been?  2010 has multiple versions, ranging in price from $120-$470 (on newegg at least).


Pretty sure it was for 2010.  I just joined technet instead and got it included in the package.
 
2013-01-29 04:51:01 PM  
To be fair, Office 365 is a different thing from Office. You can still buy Office like you do normally. Office 365 is a subscription service that gives you 5 site licenses to put Office on 5 different computers or devices at once, all of which will have access to all of your Documents through Skydrive integration. Plus, Office 365 allows you to "stream" a copy of Office to any computer you want and use it temporarily.

Different products. Nobody is forcing you to get office 365.
 
2013-01-29 04:57:36 PM  
I doubt Google will start charging for at least what they have already for Google Docs.... I think they will though....

1) Start putting ads along the side when you are editing documents (semi surprised they don't already have that).

2) Not add too many more features for free, and have some advanced features that come at a price.
 
2013-01-29 04:58:36 PM  

RexTalionis: To be fair, Office 365 is a different thing from Office. You can still buy Office like you do normally. Office 365 is a subscription service that gives you 5 site licenses to put Office on 5 different computers or devices at once, all of which will have access to all of your Documents through Skydrive integration. Plus, Office 365 allows you to "stream" a copy of Office to any computer you want and use it temporarily.

Different products. Nobody is forcing you to get office 365.


Yeah, this sounds like an interesting option for businesses, not something you would buy for your home computer or a college student.
 
2013-01-29 04:59:44 PM  

RexTalionis: To be fair, Office 365 is a different thing from Office. You can still buy Office like you do normally. Office 365 is a subscription service that gives you 5 site licenses to put Office on 5 different computers or devices at once, all of which will have access to all of your Documents through Skydrive integration. Plus, Office 365 allows you to "stream" a copy of Office to any computer you want and use it temporarily.

Different products. Nobody is forcing you to get office 365.


Maybe, but I can't help but feel they're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Maybe this will work for some people, but all indications are that MS is trying to push this across the board when it's clearly not appropriate for a large segment of the population. And it looks like they're updating the 365 product more frequently (I understand only giving the subscribers access to the latest version, but actually giving them more updates within the same version? Very lame.).

Finally, there's a lot of programs in this suite that most people (since this is non-Enterprise only) will never touch. For example, my parents have a computer from a couple years ago that they bought the full Office suite for, and I don't think they've ever opened Outlook, Access, Publisher, or OneNote. A smaller Word/Excel/PowerPoint suit for like $30/year would make a ton more sense for most people.
 
2013-01-29 05:00:27 PM  

RexTalionis: To be fair, Office 365 is a different thing from Office. You can still buy Office like you do normally. Office 365 is a subscription service that gives you 5 site licenses to put Office on 5 different computers or devices at once, all of which will have access to all of your Documents through Skydrive integration. Plus, Office 365 allows you to "stream" a copy of Office to any computer you want and use it temporarily.

Different products. Nobody is forcing you to get office 365.


The kicker being that they will stop updates for Office Not 365
 
2013-01-29 05:04:49 PM  

Tigger: RexTalionis: To be fair, Office 365 is a different thing from Office. You can still buy Office like you do normally. Office 365 is a subscription service that gives you 5 site licenses to put Office on 5 different computers or devices at once, all of which will have access to all of your Documents through Skydrive integration. Plus, Office 365 allows you to "stream" a copy of Office to any computer you want and use it temporarily.

Different products. Nobody is forcing you to get office 365.

The kicker being that they will stop updates for Office Not 365


Office still gets updates. It's just not the constant updates that 365 gets. Office will probably get their non-security related updates through annual service packs or something similar.
 
2013-01-29 05:08:07 PM  

Supes: Maybe, but I can't help but feel they're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole


No, they're using a proven model.  Software like ArcGIS is absolutely essential for GIS use and has an absurd site license.  While there are start-ups challenging it, ESRI makes money hand over fist.
 
2013-01-29 05:08:40 PM  

FishyFred: RexTalionis: To be fair, Office 365 is a different thing from Office. You can still buy Office like you do normally. Office 365 is a subscription service that gives you 5 site licenses to put Office on 5 different computers or devices at once, all of which will have access to all of your Documents through Skydrive integration. Plus, Office 365 allows you to "stream" a copy of Office to any computer you want and use it temporarily.

Different products. Nobody is forcing you to get office 365.

Yeah, this sounds like an interesting option for businesses, not something you would buy for your home computer or a college student.


It could also work for a family.  It's just me and my wife, but between us we have 2 desktops and a laptop (all between 2 and 8 years old).  I have a smartphone.  If the smartphone could run Office, I'd probably install it on there as well.

Granted, every version of Office we have was roughly $25, since I get academic pricing as a grad student, but that won't always be the case (unless I luck into a teaching position).

Conceptually, the idea of a subscription for software isn't that odd to me, since I pay $100 a year for SPSS.
 
2013-01-29 05:08:56 PM  

Supes: RexTalionis: To be fair, Office 365 is a different thing from Office. You can still buy Office like you do normally. Office 365 is a subscription service that gives you 5 site licenses to put Office on 5 different computers or devices at once, all of which will have access to all of your Documents through Skydrive integration. Plus, Office 365 allows you to "stream" a copy of Office to any computer you want and use it temporarily.

Different products. Nobody is forcing you to get office 365.

Maybe, but I can't help but feel they're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Maybe this will work for some people, but all indications are that MS is trying to push this across the board when it's clearly not appropriate for a large segment of the population. And it looks like they're updating the 365 product more frequently (I understand only giving the subscribers access to the latest version, but actually giving them more updates within the same version? Very lame.).

Finally, there's a lot of programs in this suite that most people (since this is non-Enterprise only) will never touch. For example, my parents have a computer from a couple years ago that they bought the full Office suite for, and I don't think they've ever opened Outlook, Access, Publisher, or OneNote. A smaller Word/Excel/PowerPoint suit for like $30/year would make a ton more sense for most people.


As someone who works for an ISP; Outlook is used by far too many people for it to not be included.
 
2013-01-29 05:13:57 PM  
Meh. I used Office for years. Now it's OpenOffice on all my family's computers, and Gmail.
 
2013-01-29 05:14:23 PM  

SoothinglyDeranged: As someone who works for an ISP; Outlook is used by far too many people for it to not be included.


Fair point. But unlike Word/Excel/PowerPoint, which everyone uses, Outlook is more of a 'take it if it's provided, deal if it isn't' sort of thing.

In fact, I find there is a 1:1 relationship between people who use Outlook at work and people who use it at home. I personally loathe it (even though I was  delightedwhen my office upgraded from LotusNotes to Outlook for email last year), and will go a long way out of my way to use gmail instead. But most of my coworkers just use it because it's free through work and it's what they know; they wouldn't pay extra to have it, but if it there's, why not?
 
2013-01-29 05:14:51 PM  
I teach at a large-ish university, and I can get Office Pro Plus 2010 for $15.94.  They would prefer it if you would renew annually, but I can buy two copies, which will allow (as I recall) two or three installs each, per year.  I can also get a copy of 64-bit Windows for $15, which comes in handy if you're doing your own system builds.
 
2013-01-29 05:15:27 PM  
Ha ha ha, "pay". That's adorable.
 
2013-01-29 05:16:01 PM  

SoothinglyDeranged: As someone who works for an ISP; Outlook is used by far too many people for it to not be included.


True. But I'd counter that use has been declining since around 2007, as webmail improved dramatically and really took off. A huge amount of the use out there is commercial use.

But anyway, that's why Microsoft has a Word/Excel/PP suite for $140, and a Word/Excel/PP/Outlook suite for $220. They should do the same for Office 365, make different suite subscription options.


GAT_00: Supes: Maybe, but I can't help but feel they're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole

No, they're using a proven model.  Software like ArcGIS is absolutely essential for GIS use and has an absurd site license.  While there are start-ups challenging it, ESRI makes money hand over fist.


Not really a great comparison. There are many legitimate competitors in the office suite category, which isn't the case for GIS. There are even free and opensource office suite options. Microsoft can't necessarily get away with the same thing ESRI does because the it's not the same kind of niche market.
 
2013-01-29 05:27:53 PM  

Supes: Maybe, but I can't help but feel they're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Maybe this will work for some people, but all indications are that MS is trying to push this across the board when it's clearly not appropriate for a large segment of the population. And it looks like they're updating the 365 product more frequently (I understand only giving the subscribers access to the latest version, but actually giving them more updates within the same version? Very lame.).


MS has a habit of fixing things that aren't broken. I can do without constant updates or the latest version, in general. Even more so, so can most offices. I cannot imagine what a nightmare it would be to teach some of the older/less savvy people every time the software changed.  We actually insisted someone in the office not get Office 2010 recently because she can barely use the older versions and we'd all be constantly answering questions about how to do basic things. I think a lot of offices are slow to upgrade for exactly this reason.
 
2013-01-29 05:33:23 PM  
Asinine; not only did they increase the price of the perpetual license by more than 3x  ($125 for the Student/Home three license pack is now $140 per device), but if you go that route you get no security patches or service packs. That reeks of extortion to me.

Somewhere I read a four-year student edition will be $80. What about continuing education students? Or students who take 5 or 6 years? Even Adobe, who does the whole CS subscription, offers a one-time student edition for $200 that doesn't stop working when you leave school.
 
2013-01-29 05:35:08 PM  

Supes: Not really a great comparison. There are many legitimate competitors in the office suite category, which isn't the case for GIS. There are even free and opensource office suite options. Microsoft can't necessarily get away with the same thing ESRI does because the it's not the same kind of niche market.


Yes, but how many places have you worked that used an office software that wasn't Office?  Besides, the Excel for OpenOffice is beyond shiatty.
 
2013-01-29 05:56:21 PM  

FishyFred: RexTalionis: To be fair, Office 365 is a different thing from Office. You can still buy Office like you do normally. Office 365 is a subscription service that gives you 5 site licenses to put Office on 5 different computers or devices at once, all of which will have access to all of your Documents through Skydrive integration. Plus, Office 365 allows you to "stream" a copy of Office to any computer you want and use it temporarily.

Different products. Nobody is forcing you to get office 365.

Yeah, this sounds like an interesting option for businesses, not something you would buy for your home computer or a college student.


Especially since lots of MBA/beancounter types will not approve "capital expenditure" for stuff but have no problem with ongoing licences. Because it's not capital expenditure. Even though it will cost more in the long run.

/Accountants should never be put in charge of things.
 
2013-01-29 06:05:15 PM  

Supes: Subscription pricing models really are all the rage nowadays. This will be one of those areas it doesn't work though.


Maybe.  Now that they have a generally mature product, there is less and less reason for users to be up-to-date, other than security patches.

Case in point: I'm still running Office 2003 while the wife is running my old copy of Office XP (2002).  With the Open Office XML plugin, you can read .docx and .xlsx files from Office 2007.  I see no reason to upgrade anytime soon.

The only thing that is nice about the new pricing model is that it covers multiple devices, including Macs and tablets.  So I can upgrade all of the devices and be totally screwed when I let the software lease lapse.
 
2013-01-29 06:12:30 PM  
No Visio, no dice. Next.
 
2013-01-29 06:17:24 PM  
My rep has been filling up my voicemail faster than my cat fills up the littler box. How do I gently break it that, after not buying their new OS, having their server OS renewal get cut in half, that their Office packaging is the worst mistake since... OS/2?
 
2013-01-29 06:22:15 PM  

MisterTweak: their Office packaging is the worst mistake since... OS/2?


If you mean abandoning the code to IBM, you're right.  OS/2 2.1 was so much better than either Windows 3.1 or Windows NT 3.1 it's not even a discussion.  Windows 95 didn't come out for years later, and when it did, it was Windows 95.
 
2013-01-29 06:22:59 PM  

MisterTweak: My rep has been filling up my voicemail faster than my cat fills up the littler box. How do I gently break it that, after not buying their new OS, having their server OS renewal get cut in half, that their Office packaging is the worst mistake since... OS/2?


Just tell them. At worst you'll have some leverage on pricing.
 
2013-01-29 06:23:22 PM  
Goodnight, Microsoft.
 
2013-01-29 06:24:50 PM  
LOL LIMEWIRE
 
2013-01-29 06:40:41 PM  
Fark you pay me.

No, fark YOU. Torrent this you short dicked guinea pig
 
2013-01-29 06:41:09 PM  
so $8.34 a month? Thats really not that much. I pay 5 a month just to yammer with you yahoo's...
 
2013-01-29 06:43:46 PM  

Voiceofreason01: That's cool, open office is free


You're still using Open Office? That's cute, what's it like living in 2010?
 
2013-01-29 06:48:02 PM  

MrEricSir: Voiceofreason01: That's cool, open office is free

You're still using Open Office? That's cute, what's it like living in 2010?


I use Open Office as well What's it like? FREEdom
 
2013-01-29 06:50:49 PM  

Supes: RexTalionis: To be fair, Office 365 is a different thing from Office. You can still buy Office like you do normally. Office 365 is a subscription service that gives you 5 site licenses to put Office on 5 different computers or devices at once, all of which will have access to all of your Documents through Skydrive integration. Plus, Office 365 allows you to "stream" a copy of Office to any computer you want and use it temporarily.

Different products. Nobody is forcing you to get office 365.

Maybe, but I can't help but feel they're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. Maybe this will work for some people, but all indications are that MS is trying to push this across the board when it's clearly not appropriate for a large segment of the population. And it looks like they're updating the 365 product more frequently (I understand only giving the subscribers access to the latest version, but actually giving them more updates within the same version? Very lame.).

Finally, there's a lot of programs in this suite that most people (since this is non-Enterprise only) will never touch. For example, my parents have a computer from a couple years ago that they bought the full Office suite for, and I don't think they've ever opened Outlook, Access, Publisher, or OneNote. A smaller Word/Excel/PowerPoint suit for like $30/year would make a ton more sense for most people.


If they're not using OneNote, they're WAY missing out. That's BY FAR the best part of Office. Honestly, that's should be an absolute must-have program.
 
2013-01-29 06:54:41 PM  

MrEricSir: Voiceofreason01: That's cool, open office is free

You're still using Open Office? That's cute, what's it like living in 2010?


So... what? LibreOffice?
 
2013-01-29 06:56:25 PM  
I'm a diehard Windows guy, but email/web browsing/etc? Macintosh.

For heavy duty polygon pushing/processor intensive stuff, I'll stick with my hotdamholycowfastness win7 box. For any personal stuff, Mac.
 
2013-01-29 07:10:10 PM  
$20/year/computer isn't awful, assuming you have that many machines.

I'd prefer OpenOffice or LibreOffice, but *apparently* only nobodies use that. And only PROFESSIONALS use Office.

/also, I hate the ribbon
//2 years and I still hate it.
 
2013-01-29 07:11:41 PM  
Ha! I bought the last Office for $10 using a federal government employee discount. I promptly installed it on every computer in my house and I never have to worry about that "not a legitimate copy of word" message ever again. Totally worth it and much less hassle than trying to find a good copy from the pirates.

/Though, I wouldn't pay much more for it.
//Open Office sucks ballz.
 
2013-01-29 07:15:19 PM  
I've only bought Offices 2002 (or 2003?) and 2007; that should really do me for years to come.
 
2013-01-29 07:18:35 PM  

Dinjiin: Supes: Subscription pricing models really are all the rage nowadays. This will be one of those areas it doesn't work though.

Maybe.  Now that they have a generally mature product, there is less and less reason for users to be up-to-date, other than security patches.

Case in point: I'm still running Office 2003 while the wife is running my old copy of Office XP (2002).  With the Open Office XML plugin, you can read .docx and .xlsx files from Office 2007.  I see no reason to upgrade anytime soon.

The only thing that is nice about the new pricing model is that it covers multiple devices, including Macs and tablets.  So I can upgrade all of the devices and be totally screwed when I let the software lease lapse.


That's what I was thinking. I bought a student/home copy of Office 2007 back in 2007 and have seen no reason to upgrade it since. I put it on my old computer, then my wife's computer and then, when we bought our new laptop last year, put it on there as well. We don't anticipate needing a new computer anytime soon, and even if something should happen to one, I can just reassign that computer's license to the new one. I can't think of any reason to upgrade unless they dick around with the file extensions again, and then there's usually a way to get around even that.
 
2013-01-29 07:22:09 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: MrEricSir: Voiceofreason01: That's cool, open office is free

You're still using Open Office? That's cute, what's it like living in 2010?

I use Open Office as well What's it like? FREEdom


It's like FREEdom circa 2010. After Oracle took over, the developers left and started LibreOffice.
 
2013-01-29 07:23:24 PM  
But...but, it's THE CLOUD! It's so dreamy......
 
2013-01-29 07:24:16 PM  
Keep in mind that is gives you a license for FIVE computers for the equivalent of Office Pro, and you also will get Mac versions when those become available. If you had a mixed PC/Windows household, with some computers being used for business, you could easily blow through several hundreds of dollars if you licensed them all properly. The rumor is that you'll also get iOS and Android versions of the apps with the subscription down the line, so for the right setup the subscription option might not actaully be that bad.

I'm actually using the Adobe Creative Cloud subscription at work, since $600 a year is a lot easier to justify in the budget than $2600 all at once (plus I was able to get it down to $400 a year by buying subscription cards on sale at Staples). It's honestly a really nice option for those of us who need professional software on a short term basis or need to spread out the cost over many quarters.
 
2013-01-29 07:28:12 PM  
For most people's needs, OpenOffice or LibreOffice is more than adequate. In fact, either one has features that a typical user will never need. Microsoft Office has long been the same way. So, why pay through the nose for software you'll never fully leverage?
 
2013-01-29 07:35:51 PM  
You have it wrong subby -- it's THREE EASY PAYMENTS OF $99.99!!!!

/until they update it to the next version
 
2013-01-29 07:36:54 PM  

ajgeek: $20/year/computer isn't awful, assuming you have that many machines.

I'd prefer OpenOffice or LibreOffice, but *apparently* only nobodies use that. And only PROFESSIONALS use Office.

/also, I hate the ribbon
//2 years and I still hate it.


I've spent countless hours customizing menus to get rid of the goddamn ribbon, and it still irritates me every time I have to use it for something I can't add to my own menu bar.  It's like Microsoft is trying to make every one of their products more difficult to use.

Latest ribbon irritation?  It's on file explorer in Windows 8.  So that handy button you used to use to switch between Icon, detail, Large icon, list view is a pain in the ass to access unless you do a little bit of work.
 
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