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2013-01-29 02:16:47 PM  
www.model-t-restore.com
 
2013-01-29 02:45:56 PM  

tricycleracer: [www.model-t-restore.com image 850x557]


Years ago I looked at picking up a restored Ford truck from 1915 or thereabouts and it took me 25 minutes just to get comfortable enough with it to drive it 1/2 mile.
 
2013-01-29 02:51:14 PM  
Even more stupid than this is the people who go on The Amazing Race and don't know how to drive stick.

/I know, I know, followed by people who watch The Amazing Race
//the wife likes it
///usually there is a token hottie or two
////plus the arguments are entertaining
 
2013-01-29 02:52:30 PM  
I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.
 
2013-01-29 02:52:30 PM  
In before Manual/Automatic argument!
 
2013-01-29 02:53:22 PM  
The automatic transmission was the first step in the downfall of western civilization.
 
2013-01-29 02:54:02 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.


Until the local Nursing Home escape discovers it.
 
2013-01-29 02:54:06 PM  
does this story stink to anyone else? I think I'm going to call BS. Why did the owner try lifting prints on his own?
 
2013-01-29 02:54:58 PM  

MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!




And just!
 
2013-01-29 02:55:07 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-29 02:55:38 PM  

MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!


There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.
 
2013-01-29 02:55:40 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.


I've had those.
It's great. Because no one can drive them anymore.
I loved it.
 
2013-01-29 02:56:09 PM  
Oh, that's just an IQ test. Don't pay it any attention.
 
2013-01-29 02:56:12 PM  
I would never buy a manual transmissioned car for this reason, but it's a nice added benefit.

Now, I'll just stick around for the standard manual v automatic debate which will culminate in someone feeling epically superior to everyone else by pointing out that there are hybrid manumatics or something.
 
2013-01-29 02:56:35 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.


Three on the tree, four on the floor. buy something nice and let me know where you are parking it
 
2013-01-29 02:56:35 PM  

maxximillian: does this story stink to anyone else? I think I'm going to call BS. Why did the owner try lifting prints on his own?


Because Florida.
 
2013-01-29 02:58:02 PM  
Hmmm.. dont they usually give a description of the perps so that the public can assist in capturing them?
 
2013-01-29 02:58:52 PM  

maxximillian: does this story stink to anyone else? I think I'm going to call BS. Why did the owner try lifting prints on his own?


a little, but then i read this final line of the article:

"Randolph says he has more information to give to police, but officers haven't yet returned his calls."

that is kind of infuriating, imo. but yeah, his efforts sound douchy at the very least.
 
2013-01-29 02:59:07 PM  
I was just reading that guys post on a Corvette forum.
 
2013-01-29 02:59:09 PM  
My new car is a stick for these reasons:

1. I like driving a stick because it makes me feel like a racecar driver, even if I do drive like a non-senile granny.

2. The car was a lot cheaper than the model with automatic.

3. A friend told me her friend was carjacked by three Urban Yoots. They pushed her out of the car, grabbed her purse and were so flustered by it being a standard that they not only left her car, but the kid who had her purse gave it back to her.
 
2013-01-29 02:59:14 PM  
They're not so much car thieves as GTA enthusiasts.
 
2013-01-29 02:59:50 PM  

eas81: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x818] [i.imgur.com image 651x481]


I've been trying to teach my daughter to drive my manual. I'm considering buying this, the little Learners Driver magnet isn't helping to avoid the honking. BTW people are rude.....
 
2013-01-29 03:01:08 PM  
Manual is better owing to the superior porn possibilities.
 
2013-01-29 03:01:18 PM  

MindStalker: eas81: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x818] [i.imgur.com image 651x481]

I've been trying to teach my daughter to drive my manual. I'm considering buying this, the little Learners Driver magnet isn't helping to avoid the honking. BTW people are rude.....


In step 2, it helps to not touch the gas pedal until the car is actually moving forward.
 
2013-01-29 03:01:19 PM  
While our '08 manual transmission Civic is in the shop this week (cracked block, woohoo!) I rented a 2012 Fiat 500 to get to work. It has this weird shift-if-you-want-to-or-don't shift transmission. It also has a "sport" auto mode. It's like cars today try too hard, or something.

/old
 
2013-01-29 03:01:29 PM  

Wellon Dowd: maxximillian: does this story stink to anyone else? I think I'm going to call BS. Why did the owner try lifting prints on his own?

Because Florida.


"Stand Your Ground" gets all the press, but "Do Your Own Police Work" is actually a much worse and lesser known Florida law.
 
2013-01-29 03:01:48 PM  
I have owned manual and automatic transmissions and the pleasures of driving one or the other depend solely on the vehicle in which contained.
 
2013-01-29 03:02:13 PM  

Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.



Not in DC traffic it isn't. I own both, and for driving to and from work - and downtown during the day - automatic is hands down the way to go. Unfortunately my automatic gets about 15 mpg tops (supercharged V6 Buick Regal) and my manual gets around 26 mpg (4 cyl. Honda Accord), so I pretty much have to drive my manual around for work and it sucks.

Now for all other times, or driving somewhere without much traffic, manual is definitely the way to go. Better mileage, more power, more connection with/control of the car... They're just annoying to drive in heavy traffic.
 
2013-01-29 03:02:20 PM  
My wife and I should get discounts on our insurance for having manual transmissions!
 
2013-01-29 03:03:35 PM  
Apparently, you're not a golfer.

smhttp.14409.nexcesscdn.net
 
2013-01-29 03:05:09 PM  
Clutch control biatches, learn it.
 
2013-01-29 03:05:17 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Hmmm.. dont they usually give a description of the perps so that the public can assist in capturing them?


FTFA:  "He started yanking on the door and made me open the door. He kind of flung it open and dragged me out and demanded that I get on the ground... face down, so I couldn't look at him of course."
 
2013-01-29 03:05:32 PM  
It's hard to hold your beer and work a stick shift.
 
2013-01-29 03:05:46 PM  

MindStalker: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

Until the local Nursing Home escape discovers it.


Oh, lulzy mental image! Thanks for that!

"Hold on tight, Ethel, we're outta here!"
 
2013-01-29 03:07:16 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.


THREE ON THE TREE!
 
2013-01-29 03:07:35 PM  
Guy described the pair as "Hansom". They already spared his life once, is he hoping for extra credit just in case?
 
2013-01-29 03:07:46 PM  
I miss my manual. They're great in the snow.
 
2013-01-29 03:08:26 PM  
Criminal speds from Florida. Unsurprising, yet heartwarming in a way.
 
2013-01-29 03:09:15 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I have owned manual and automatic transmissions and the pleasures of driving one or the other depend solely on the vehicle in which contained.


Yep. Auto for the daily mind numbing 5mph stop and go rush hour grind and a manual for Sunday fun in the country.
 
2013-01-29 03:09:49 PM  
Also, this is the opposite of the carjacking scene from The Philadelphia Experiment:

"Where the hell is the clutch?"
"It's an automatic!"
"What the hell is an automatic?"
 
2013-01-29 03:09:50 PM  
My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.
 
2013-01-29 03:10:13 PM  

The Flexecutioner: maxximillian: does this story stink to anyone else? I think I'm going to call BS. Why did the owner try lifting prints on his own?

a little, but then i read this final line of the article:

"Randolph says he has more information to give to police, but officers haven't yet returned his calls."

that is kind of infuriating, imo. but yeah, his efforts sound douchy at the very least.


even if he gets the prints, i'm pretty sure he's a breach in the chain of evidence. that shiat will never get in court. but, could be good enough to get someone to confess, granted you have the classic ingredients, unsophisticated criminal + unscrupulous cop.
 
2013-01-29 03:10:40 PM  

Frozboz: While our '08 manual transmission Civic is in the shop this week (cracked block, woohoo!) I rented a 2012 Fiat 500 to get to work. It has this weird shift-if-you-want-to-or-don't shift transmission. It also has a "sport" auto mode. It's like cars today try too hard, or something.


It's probably got a dual-clutch transmission. Basically, an automatic manual for people who can't drive manuals.

The theory is that you get the efficiency of a manual and the convenience of an automatic. The reality is usually that you get a car that feels like it's being driven by a 15 year old that never sat in a driver's seat before...
 
2013-01-29 03:10:50 PM  
"This is a high performance car compared to other cars, so if they had gotten it, they might have hurt themselves in it."

t.qkme.me
 
2013-01-29 03:11:21 PM  
Stick shifts are better for all the other drivers on the road because you can't use a cell phone or eat a taco whilst driving.
/2 cents
 
2013-01-29 03:11:27 PM  

namegoeshere: I miss my manual. They're great in the snow.


That too.

FTA : Randolph has a message for the hot rods who tried taking his fast ride, "Guys turn your life around. You guys have got a lot going for you. Thank you for not taking my life...

/ citation needed.
 
2013-01-29 03:12:03 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Frozboz: While our '08 manual transmission Civic is in the shop this week (cracked block, woohoo!) I rented a 2012 Fiat 500 to get to work. It has this weird shift-if-you-want-to-or-don't shift transmission. It also has a "sport" auto mode. It's like cars today try too hard, or something.

It's probably got a dual-clutch transmission. Basically, an automatic manual for people who can't drive manuals.

The theory is that you get the efficiency of a manual and the convenience of an automatic. The reality is usually that you get a car that feels like it's being driven by a 15 year old that never sat in a driver's seat before...


Yeah, I rented one of those and hated it.
 
2013-01-29 03:13:46 PM  

shanrick: It's hard to hold your beer and work a stick shift.


Was trying to decide on "Smart" or "Funny", but really, with a little practice, you won't spill a drop!
 
2013-01-29 03:14:23 PM  

TomD9938: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I have owned manual and automatic transmissions and the pleasures of driving one or the other depend solely on the vehicle in which contained.

Yep. Auto for the daily mind numbing 5mph stop and go rush hour grind and a manual for Sunday fun in the country.


yeah, i would say the amount of traffic is the bigger deal. other than that, maybe I don't really see any pleasure in driving on public streets. maybe on a track or offroad driving might be fun, but driving as transportation = boring. no transmission is going to change that.
/ manual. it kind of blows in traffic, but is basically the same as normal driving all the rest of the time. maybe i get better gas mileage. other than that, it's only advantage is making the car cheaper to buy
 
2013-01-29 03:14:28 PM  

NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.


No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?
 
2013-01-29 03:14:45 PM  

antidumbass: Stick shifts are better for all the other drivers on the road because you can't use a cell phone or eat a taco whilst driving.
/2 cents


I have done both.
2003 Saturn Ion 5 spd. Most recently I ate an angry whopper and a gingerbread milkshake while driving. Burger in Left Hand, Shake in right. Left Pinky on the wheel, Right Index and Thumb holding the shake at the bottom. I lost an onion down the front of me, that was about it.
 
2013-01-29 03:14:52 PM  

Contents Under Pressure: My new car is a stick for these reasons:


...This, that, and the other thing. All three.

/137 of my model on the lot in '04
//1 in a stickshift hatchback, for 25% under dealer invoice?
///SOLD
 
2013-01-29 03:15:01 PM  
MR. BEAN! got carjacked
 
2013-01-29 03:15:50 PM  

shanrick: It's hard to hold your beer and work a stick shift.


If I can text while driving a stick you should be able to hold a beer.
 
2013-01-29 03:15:56 PM  
Never understood why people are so fixated on manual and feeling "connected" to their car, as if this somehow creates a symbiotic relationship. I drive my car to get from point A to point B and feel in control of it the whole time. It's a tool, not a toy, but I suppose that this is where the difference lies. I don't use a car to feel like I'm in the land of race car ya-yas; the land where you can't change lanes; the land where large fuzzy dice hang proudly, like testicles, from rear-view mirrors.
 
2013-01-29 03:16:03 PM  
of the vehicles i've personally owned, only 1 has had an automatic transmission. I hate it 95% of the time... but when i'm in bumper-to-bumper traffic, it's nice not having my left leg or hand cramping up on me from working the clutch pedal/lever.
 
2013-01-29 03:16:03 PM  

dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.


My '54 Plymouth Savoy has a 3-speed column shifter.

images.classiccars.com

/not the actual pic
//mine is brown
 
2013-01-29 03:16:18 PM  
i totalled my car when i was 16 and only had a permit. it was a stick. i wasnt hurt but the body dmg was more than the value of the car ($2k car with 60% cost to repair = 'totaled' designation according to my insurance in 1988). my mom freaked out and got an automatic. it was her car and we shared it til my senior year when i got my own (another automatic). that's fine. 10 years later I had my brother re-teach me the manual shift and bought one because it was ridiculously low-priced ($12k car for $8.5k--not a flood car or rental). i've never looked back since. i now own a manual truck and LOVE it. i will 99% probably never own an automatic again. i actually prefer my right hand staying occupied because I dont drive distracted--rarely eat in the car, dont take phone calls, etc. it's a lot of fun to drive, imo, and i pay way more attention on the road.
 
2013-01-29 03:16:42 PM  

Cheron: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

Three on the tree, four on the floor. buy something nice and let me know where you are parking it


www.pirate4x4.com
 
2013-01-29 03:17:53 PM  
6 speed manual transmission, biatches.
 
2013-01-29 03:17:59 PM  
antidumbass

Stick shifts are better for all the other drivers on the road because you can't use a cell phone or eat a taco whilst driving.
/2 cents


You sir are incorrect , first car was a stick and I love tacos.
 
2013-01-29 03:18:29 PM  
I insisted on teaching both my daughters how to drive a manual transmission. Now the oldest hates driving anything else, and the youngest never wants to touch another one again.

/don't know what went wrong with the youngest.
//I blame her mother.
///I guess they can carjack whomever they want now.
 
2013-01-29 03:19:07 PM  

antidumbass: Stick shifts are better for all the other drivers on the road because you can't use a cell phone or eat a taco whilst driving.
/2 cents


God gave you knees so you could steer while holding a cell phone in your left hand and shifting with your right.
 
2013-01-29 03:21:13 PM  
I love my stick shift but they're going to be for hobbyists only in 20 years. A good modern dual clutch automatic can shift so fast you barely noticed that it happened so all the old problems about shifting at the wrong times, being in the wrong gear, lousy mileage from power loss through the slushbox, etc. will be gone. The manual is still lighter, cheaper, and mechanically simpler but that's it. A good automatic will out accelerate the same car with a manual now, they just shift so much faster than a driver is capable of.
 
2013-01-29 03:21:18 PM  
I drive automatic, because Canadian winters in a hilly city SUCK with manual.
 
2013-01-29 03:21:25 PM  
This compensator is not to be confused with the one driving the Vette.

www.metraflex.com
 
2013-01-29 03:21:54 PM  

tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?


Miatas are great little cars. I'm on my second one. I convinced a friend that a Miata is the best possible choice for his teenage daughter (with the addition of a roll-bar). It's not actually a fast car, though it is nimble. It only seats two! The intelligence of teenagers is inversly proportional to the quantity of teenagers, so when in a car you want to keep their number to a minimum. Used Miatas in good shape are readily available and reasonably priced. Finally, despite the limitations, getting her a Miata makes you "the coolest dad EVAH!" At least for the next hour or so. Teens are fickle and have a short memory.
 
2013-01-29 03:22:23 PM  

TyrannyOfThe3Squares: shanrick: It's hard to hold your beer and work a stick shift.

Was trying to decide on "Smart" or "Funny", but really, with a little practice, you won't spill a drop!


I was gonna go with "beer can helmet."
 
2013-01-29 03:22:50 PM  
I'm pretty sure that's the only reason my car wasn't stolen when I lived in a sketchy place one summer for one of my college internships. My neighbors went through two cars in one summer, and they weren't nice cars, either.

If anyone has time for a 'Cool Story, Sis' about stupid car mods, you can keep reading. If not, just scroll down to the next comment.

The smash-and-grab problem was so bad that I went to the junkyard and pulled the front off an old tape deck to shove in the console, then soldered some longer wires to the harness, ran them under the plastic cowling and actually managed to get the real head unit installed vertically in the center glovebox. You'd open the top, put in your CD or connect your MP3 player, and carry on, though I did have to cut some subtle vent holes and wire in a computer fan to keep the unit at a safe temperature in the summer and I actually used some metal straps and screws to really secure it in there so it couldn't just be yanked. Had to disassemble almost the entire middle of the interior to do it, but my time was worth nothing then and the radio had been a present from my Dad, so I really did not want it stolen.

I also used a Dremel to cut a cassette tape in half and glued it into the tape-deck-front so it looked like I was actually using it. Eventually I put the tape-deck-front onto hinges and used some Sugru and Krazy Glue to securely wedge a plastic box into the original radio's spot (it once contained frozen eclairs, but a good cleaning and some Krylon for Plastic made it work,) and so my car's wonderful radio security system consisted of the radio and the center glovebox being in opposite places. I also wired a little hidden switch into the ignition so even with the key, the car would only start if one knew exactly what switch to flip. Again, my time was worth nothing at this point, and the car wasn't worth much more, but I'd lose my job if I lost it and I had very little choice but to innovate.

After that was done, I'd just leave the car unlocked, since with an unlocked car, the chavs would search for items and then close it back up, whereas a locked car would get its' windows smashed. It was the guy I was dating at the time who came up with the best idea. Every week I would get a few dollars in ones as change, harvest some poison ivy with my gloves on and store the bills in a Ziploc bag of the oily leaves, then place them, again in gloves, into the dashboard glovebox by themselves.

For three weeks, the itchy-fied bills were, without fail, stolen, and I considered it a kind of $3-4 per week 'parking fee,' especially since the problem with the slumlord who owned the building leaving passive-aggressive notes about not having a lot permit stopped around that time. This guy was a real piece of work. Wouldn't sell me a parking permit because we only had a summer sublet and "those tags are expensive and your kind never return 'em!" (what kind, I always wondered, given that I was as white as he was,) wouldn't stop biatching about my not having one, and the one time he tried to have my car towed, I made a fake permit with Photoshop and the tow guy charged the slumlord for a false alarm. One day, though, my then-boyfriend put the bait bills in for me, not realizing that I typically removed the bills from the Ziploc of poison-ivy leaves before placing them in the car. He just threw in the whole bag, complete with three dollars and about three fistfuls of nicely shredded poison ivy leaves.

Funny thing, though; it was actually the teenage son of the slum lord who tried to smoke the leaves and wound up in the hospital. Apparently he had been tasked by his parent with going around to check for permit compliance, and along the way, this entitled little chav was the one robbing all the cars. So my $3-5 dollar investment and the 'shopped permit was apparently enough to keep a fifteen-year-old boy from ratting my poor little hoopty out to his loser dad. The kid went into the hospital the first week in August, and by the time they released him, we'd packed our stuff and fled into the night, never to darken the doors or drip oil on the parking lot again.

I always wonder how the kid explained himself, though. Considering the landlord refused to buy health insurance because it was a Commie scam and believed in paying cash for everything, two weeks in the hospital and a stint in intensive care probably had at least some disciplinary effect on that rotten kid.

And the moral of the story is, 'don't try to smoke baggies of leaves you find in 1987 Hondas that do not belong to you.'
 
2013-01-29 03:23:12 PM  

OgreMagi: 6 speed manual transmission, biatches.


That is what I have on my Civic Si. Absolutely love it.
 
2013-01-29 03:23:17 PM  

vudukungfu: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

I've had those.
It's great. Because no one can drive them anymore.
I loved it.


Now, if you could get yourself an old Volvo 240 with manual AND a manual choke, most garage mechanics couldn't start it.
 
2013-01-29 03:23:22 PM  
In the future, if the car someone is trying to steal has no driver-interface app for the current must-have-human-interface-widget, it won't be stolen.
 
2013-01-29 03:23:24 PM  

pute kisses like a man: The Flexecutioner: maxximillian: does this story stink to anyone else? I think I'm going to call BS. Why did the owner try lifting prints on his own?

a little, but then i read this final line of the article:

"Randolph says he has more information to give to police, but officers haven't yet returned his calls."

that is kind of infuriating, imo. but yeah, his efforts sound douchy at the very least.

even if he gets the prints, i'm pretty sure he's a breach in the chain of evidence. that shiat will never get in court. but, could be good enough to get someone to confess, granted you have the classic ingredients, unsophisticated criminal + unscrupulous cop.


i thought the same except for certain pragmatics, like he'll never get his Creedence tapes back. I'm sure they have the lab working on it in shifts, haha.

i think successful car thefts are really low conviction ratings anyway, let alone a failed one.

and surprisingly cuz it hasnt been posted yet ...

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-29 03:23:53 PM  

tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?


Miata isn't really an option. Rather him not have a two seater. But I can't tell you the last time I ran across a GTI.
 
2013-01-29 03:24:20 PM  
Learned to drive in a '72 Maverick when I was 12. Loved my '91 CRX with the manual. Hard to drive stick anymore due to back injury, but don't think for a second I can't chirp the tires going from 1st to 2nd gear in the automatic transmission that lives in my 1973 Challenger. Automatic be damned, that car is fun to drive......in a straight line
 
2013-01-29 03:25:05 PM  
Manual transmission is superior to automatic
Typewriters are superior to computers
A pair of sticks is superior to a lighter
A compass and map are superior to GPS
Leaches and swamproot are superior to medicine.
 
2013-01-29 03:25:10 PM  

tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?


No,no.no those will encourage spirited driving by someone who has more testosterone than common sense. For new drives I'm fond of the boxy Volvos, wagon if you can find it. Build like a bunker, zero to sixty you can clock with a calendar and so ugly their friends won't be in it to distract them.
 
2013-01-29 03:25:18 PM  

shanrick: It's hard to hold your beer and work a stick shift.


No it's not.
 
2013-01-29 03:25:30 PM  

OgreMagi: Miatas are great little cars. I'm on my second one. I convinced a friend that a Miata is the best possible choice for his teenage daughter (with the addition of a roll-bar). It's not actually a fast car, though it is nimble. It only seats two! The intelligence of teenagers is inversly proportional to the quantity of teenagers, so when in a car you want to keep their number to a minimum. Used Miatas in good shape are readily available and reasonably priced. Finally, despite the limitations, getting her a Miata makes you "the coolest dad EVAH!" At least for the next hour or so. Teens are fickle and have a short memory.


Miatas are so low they're easy to lose in blind spots, though. I see right over the top of them driving an RSX.
 
2013-01-29 03:25:48 PM  

Jument: Even more stupid than this is the people who go on The Amazing Race and don't know how to drive stick.

/I know, I know, followed by people who watch The Amazing Race
//the wife likes it
///usually there is a token hottie or two
////plus the arguments are entertaining


No reason to be ashamed about watching The Amazing Race. As far as reality show competitions go, it actually does have some socially redeeming value in showing Americans the world outside the US and teaching a little bit about geography and other cultures. Plus Phil is actually a pretty cool guy. I watched a documentary about him biking across America and he came across as a genuinely awesome person. Hell, he even stopped for red lights as he was riding his bike in urban areas.
 
2013-01-29 03:25:51 PM  

NASAM: tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?

Miata isn't really an option. Rather him not have a two seater. But I can't tell you the last time I ran across a GTI.


GTI or Civic would be ideal.
 
2013-01-29 03:25:57 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Manual is better owing to the superior porn possibilities.


Finally, a compelling argument for the stick shift!

I really have no comeback for that. I guess you could grind against the emergency brake lever, if it's in the center, but... nah, stick is clearly pornier.

/well, that finally settles that
 
2013-01-29 03:27:07 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: Manual transmission is superior to automatic
Typewriters are superior to computers
A pair of sticks is superior to a lighter
A compass and map are superior to GPS
Leaches and swamproot are superior to medicine.
Stupidity is superior to accurate analogy.


FTFY
 
2013-01-29 03:27:08 PM  

NASAM: tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?

Miata isn't really an option. Rather him not have a two seater. But I can't tell you the last time I ran across a GTI.


No back seat is a good thing. Do you know what a teenage boy will want to do with a backseat?
 
2013-01-29 03:28:27 PM  

OgreMagi: NASAM: tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?

Miata isn't really an option. Rather him not have a two seater. But I can't tell you the last time I ran across a GTI.

No back seat is a good thing. Do you know what a teenage boy will want to do with a backseat?


But where are you gonna put yer guitar?
 
2013-01-29 03:28:52 PM  
Fun Fact:

In the UK if you take your driving test in an automatic you get a special (emphasis on special) licence that allows you only to drive an automatic.
 
2013-01-29 03:29:01 PM  

tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?


The "cash for clunkers" debacle all but killed the market for not-beat-to-shiat older, cheap, somewhat reliable cars. The only cars I find in my area that might fit his qualifications all have some sort of serious mechanical defect that would require work before the car was legal to drive or title, or are deathtrappy enough that he probably doesn't want one for his kid.

Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.


I'm guessing you've never driven a:

Heavy duty truck, light-duty truck with no tach, minivan, late-model Mercedes, Bentley, or RV with a manual, then? If you want to confine your qualifications to "passenger car" (and even then, you're not always right), you'd be less incorrect.

Big-ass trucks SUCK with manuals. Little trucks are similarly awful. I can't fathom why you'd want a stick in an Astro or Caravan. Late model and high-performance Mercs are "auto only" because their motors make so much torque that their sticks keep breaking, and putting a two speed drag tranny in a road car is...yeah. Bentley's autos play a huge role in the "power delivery" feel of the car; you'd certainly screw it up with a stick. (Haven't driven a recent Rolls, so I don't know but imagine it's the same deal.) Lulz@RV/Bus with a stick. Have fun with that.

I'm most certainly a purist, both my and the wife's car's are sticks, but the notion that MANUAL ALWAYZ BETTAR is just plain wrong. I can think of numerous other applications where I'd prefer an auto over a manual, despite having a general preference for manuals in all my vehicles. (I'm sure driving a Prius in stop-and-go to and from work with a stick would enhance the driving experience there too...)

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I have owned manual and automatic transmissions and the pleasures of driving one or the other depend solely on the vehicle in which contained.


Dingdingdingding.

I'd addendum "and the purposes for which the vehicle is intended" but other than that, spot on.
 
2013-01-29 03:30:30 PM  
I have a 5-speed. But for only one reason. It was a car I could afford. Generally speaking the same model of any stickshift I've owned costs a lot more with an automatic trans. Plus, they tend to be faster and more responsive. You know, if that sort of thing is important to you.

I think I've owned 5 different cars that were stick. I think the only thing I don't like about manual is that it's difficult to play drums in traffic. And that is very important to me.
 
2013-01-29 03:30:40 PM  
6-speed here.

/special ordered
//worth the wait
 
2013-01-29 03:32:03 PM  

OgreMagi: No back seat is a good thing. Do you know what a teenage boy will want to do with a backseat?


I had a CRX when I was dating. Can't think of any thing I didn't do in that car that I've done since.
 
2013-01-29 03:32:24 PM  

grinding_journalist: Late model and high-performance Mercs are "auto only" because their motors make so much torque that their sticks keep breaking


I find this a little hard to believe. I'd believe that the new autos are simply faster than manuals, but semis with 1200lbs+ of torque have manual transmissions.
 
2013-01-29 03:33:16 PM  

MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!


I wanted to do this too.

I'm not even close.


/kicks dirt
//leaves thread
///it's a stupid argument anyway
 
2013-01-29 03:35:32 PM  

grinding_journalist: The "cash for clunkers" debacle all but killed the market for not-beat-to-shiat older, cheap, somewhat reliable cars. The only cars I find in my area that might fit his qualifications all have some sort of serious mechanical defect that would require work before the car was legal to drive or title, or are deathtrappy enough that he probably doesn't want one for his kid.


Go used car shopping in Florida.  No road salt and below-average incomes create plenty of cheap used cars in good condition.
 
2013-01-29 03:36:52 PM  
lolcat.com
 
2013-01-29 03:38:12 PM  
LOL iPad generation
 
2013-01-29 03:38:21 PM  
Guy I knew in high school (mid-1970's) begged and pleaded his folks to buy him a car. He got some lousy beater, worst thing was it had auto transmission. He used to drive to try to convince anyone nearby that he had a stick: accelerate, suddenly take foot off accelerator, jam it again, take it off again, jam it again, take it off again etc. Nobody wanted to ride in his car, for obvious reasons.

/hey Youn, you still out there?
 
2013-01-29 03:39:08 PM  
Every time I rent a car in Britain they always ask "are you sure you can drive a manual (standard)? We do have automatics..."

Apparently Americans who can drive stick are quite the novelty.

/been driving my manual Jetta for 14 years now...
//sucks in traffic jams
///love my little Jenny
 
2013-01-29 03:40:21 PM  
blog.wtfconcept.com
 
2013-01-29 03:40:52 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Manual is better owing to the superior porn possibilities.


You truly are shiftless.
 
2013-01-29 03:40:57 PM  

Cheron: I had a CRX when I was dating. Can't think of any thing I didn't do in that car that I've done since.


I, also, had a series of CRXes! First my college boyfriend and I had our first-gen '87, then an '89, then an '86 after the first two rusted out. And yes, those are excellent dating cars. The seats go so far back and recline so close to flat, provided you've kept up your yoga and are of relatively light build, you can do as you please in them.

In fact, said college boyfriend proposed in the '87. We've been happily married for some time and are only now thinking of handing down our engine-swapped Acura Integra coupe (which is the closest thing to a CRX we could get after Cash For Clunkers gutted the market,) in favor of something built in the past ten years.

Any suggestions?
 
2013-01-29 03:41:55 PM  
I've got about the best compromise available: a twin clutch automatic with paddle shifters. (in my Lancer Ralliart) With mods I've got a godawful amount of horsepower, the transmission can shift faster than I can, yet I can put my kids in it and my wife can drive it.

farm4.dealernet.com.au
Wow, Aussie version has nicer wheels.
 
2013-01-29 03:42:10 PM  
I built a '27 Ford Roadster...wife demanded that I build it with Automatic transmission so she could drive it - apparently clutch pedals are like lava to her. I got a deal on a rebuilt TH350 transmission with manual shift valve body. You have to shift it throught he gears, but no clutch. Just bump the shift lever to the next gear. That was enough to piss her off, because "i don't know when to shift". Tell you what honey...when you see the valve covers (open engined car) being dented from something hitting it hard from the inside - shift gears.

She has only driven the car 3 times in the 2 years I've "finished" it. Ended up buying her a '51 Chevy with a full blown AUTOMATIC so she doesn't have to worry about it anymore.

If anybody tries to steal the roadster - they might be successful, but its going to take them a while to get up to speed. If you put it into "drive" - you're actually only putting it in 3rd.
 
2013-01-29 03:42:44 PM  

OgreMagi: NASAM: tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?

Miata isn't really an option. Rather him not have a two seater. But I can't tell you the last time I ran across a GTI.

No back seat is a good thing. Do you know what a teenage boy will want to do with a backseat?


I got laid in my 79 Fiat Spyder 2000. If there's a will, there's a way.
 
2013-01-29 03:43:26 PM  
A standard means I don't have to share my car with others.

Sure, an automatic is okay, but it's not nearly as fun.
 
2013-01-29 03:43:41 PM  
The only configuration my car came in is 6-speed manual. That's how you know you've found the right car, they don't even mess with automatics.

/ 263 hp, 280 lb-ft torque, 3200 lbs
// zoom zoom
 
2013-01-29 03:43:41 PM  
My first car was an '84 Honda Accord, 3-dr hatchback. I was 6 months older than the car, but it was awesome. Near the end of its life the clutch was going, and it had some weird issue with the idle...as in it wouldn't.

The problem, as those who drive stick will know, is that whenever I pushed in the clutch, the tac would start dropping, and wouldn't stop. If you didn't give the car a little gas to keep it revving, the engine would die. So say you were in backing out of a space, at the end of teh reverse portion, you would have to push in the clutch, brake, shift into 1st, AND keep a little gas going. It required pressing all 3 pedals at once, in a pretty delicate balance.

I was the ONLY person alive who could drive that car. One day after work everyone who could drive stick took turns trying to back it out of a space, drive it in a circle around the island inthe deserted parking lot, and pull back in to the space. Nobody got past step 1.

Then I fixed the clutch and the idle issue, sold the car for $200 LESS than I had just paid to repair it, and all because I thought I wouldn't be able to afford the insurance while in college. One of the biggest mistakes I ever made.

/2nd car I owned was a 1990 VW Fox, another manual. Anyone ever drive a VW from this era where to put the car in reverse, you had to press the stick DOWN. and not down as in away from the windshield, down as in towards the ground, in the Z-axis. Those Germans are some crazy folks.
 
2013-01-29 03:43:45 PM  

Frozboz: While our '08 manual transmission Civic is in the shop this week (cracked block, woohoo!) I rented a 2012 Fiat 500 to get to work. It has this weird shift-if-you-want-to-or-don't shift transmission. It also has a "sport" auto mode. It's like cars today try too hard, or something.

/old


FYI, your repair should be free at a dealership. If not, call your shop right now and stop the work.

This happened to my gf a few weeks ago. It turns out that a ton of Civics from around then all have engine blocks that are cracking. Honda knows it, and is avoiding a PR disaster by offering a free replacement (basically like an extended warranty on your engine for affected cars).

My gf got hers done at a local dealership, no charge, no questions asked.

Just making sure you know.

Incidentally, she also got a Fiat rental. Man, what a POS car that was.
 
2013-01-29 03:43:56 PM  

DarthBart: Cheron: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

Three on the tree, four on the floor. buy something nice and let me know where you are parking it

[www.pirate4x4.com image 800x600]


Oh, this brings back memories!!!!

CSB time:

I grew up on a farm. In the fall when we weren't in school, I rode with my dad taking loads of corn to the elevator. The farm truck was a 13 speed. It. Had. A. Red. Button. Now mind you, this was '67ish, seatbelts? what seatbelts? And the cab of that old international had lots of room for a smallish 6 year old to get off the seat and stand around not doing much as we lumbered up the highway, I'd peek in the glovebox or see what was on the floor behind the seat....then one day.....I did it. Dad was just driving along, stogie clamped firmly, cup of coffee in his hand....and for no reason whatsoever, I pushed the red button down. Hilarity did NOT ensue. After the most incredible noises of grinding and scraping metal, dad did get it shifted down. There's some small measure of advantage in being daddy's favorite-I got to live. But I never EVER EVER got out of that passenger seat again as long as I rode on those trips.
 
2013-01-29 03:44:16 PM  

OgreMagi: Miatas are great little cars. I'm on my second one. I convinced a friend that a Miata is the best possible choice for his teenage daughter (with the addition of a roll-bar).


My daughters first act of vehicle destruction was a Miata. Her BF's dad's car.

/notice I said 'first'
 
2013-01-29 03:45:32 PM  

mongbiohazard: Now for all other times, or driving somewhere without much traffic, manual is definitely the way to go. Better mileage, more power, more connection with/control of the car... They're just annoying to drive in heavy traffic.


On those rare occasions when I have to deal with Chicago rush-hour traffic (which means any time from 6AM to 10PM) I've found the best way to cope with it is to keep a cushion of space in front and keep my steady speed as close to average traffic speed as possible. I don't worry about somebody pulling into the space in front of me, because I'm not going to get there faster by riding someone else's back bumper. Let the others speed up and jam on the brakes over and over. More often than not, I'll catch right up to the driver in front just as he's starting his next speed-up/slow-down cycle.

It saves me a lot of wear and tear on the car, and a lot less stress on me.
 
2013-01-29 03:46:31 PM  

Jument: Even more stupid than this is the people who go on The Amazing Race and don't know how to drive stick.

/I know, I know, followed by people who watch The Amazing Race
//the wife likes it
///usually there is a token hottie or two
////plus the arguments are entertaining


You don't need to defend watching that show. Ain't no shame in my game. I love TAR, and I also marvel how there's at least one team every freaking year that didn't bother to learn how to drive stick shift. Last season, there was even a contestant who couldn't swim! How can you go on a show like TAR without bothering to learn to drive stick or learn to swim? Craziness! I'm surprised they haven't had a contestant yet who's afraid of flying.
 
2013-01-29 03:47:58 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: If anyone has time for a 'Cool Story, Sis' about stupid car mods, you can keep reading. If not, just scroll down to the next comment.


Living in Brooklyn in the mid-90s my roommate had his mid-80s Accord broken into seven times one summer. Smashed that little oddly-shaped window each time, and opened the doors from there. Very polite, as this window was the cheapest to replace. The final time it was broken into, there was nothing left to steal - the radio was long gone, the glovebox was open (showing nothing inside), even the rear seat folded down to show nothing in the trunk. So, the thieves took a Kleenex box, dumped the tissues, and (we suppose) used it to carry the cassette tapes from the next car ahead, which was smashed and had its stuff stolen.

Good times. I had a late 80s Sentra a few years later. It was hit a few times, but with a detachable-case radio and the 6-disc changer stealthily mounted under the seat, they never got much. The first time, in the winter, they broke that same small triangle-shaped window, and rolled down the driver-side main window all the way. I thought it was smashed (glass on the ground, everywhere), so I drove to the window guy in sub-freezing weather with the window simply down. When I got there, they rolled it up and all had a good laugh at my expense.

/end CSB
 
2013-01-29 03:48:22 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: OgreMagi: Miatas are great little cars. I'm on my second one. I convinced a friend that a Miata is the best possible choice for his teenage daughter (with the addition of a roll-bar).

My daughters first act of vehicle destruction was a Miata. Her BF's dad's car.

/notice I said 'first'


Some people should never be allowed to drive.
 
2013-01-29 03:48:43 PM  

MindStalker: eas81: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x818] [i.imgur.com image 651x481]

I've been trying to teach my daughter to drive my manual. I'm considering buying this, the little Learners Driver magnet isn't helping to avoid the honking. BTW people are rude.....


I learned to drive on an86 chevette 5 speed. For the first few weeks I did nothing but go forward and reverse in a parking lot just to get the feel of the cluth. Kept me off the road while learning... could help
 
2013-01-29 03:49:12 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: (which is the closest thing to a CRX we could get after Cash For Clunkers gutted the market,)


One Honda CRX, a 1990, was traded in during the Cash for Clunkers program.

http://jalopnik.com/5369834/cash-for-clunker-trade+ins-gmc-vandura-t o- mercedes-380sl
 
2013-01-29 03:50:08 PM  

StrandedInAZ: Jument: Even more stupid than this is the people who go on The Amazing Race and don't know how to drive stick.

/I know, I know, followed by people who watch The Amazing Race
//the wife likes it
///usually there is a token hottie or two
////plus the arguments are entertaining

You don't need to defend watching that show. Ain't no shame in my game. I love TAR, and I also marvel how there's at least one team every freaking year that didn't bother to learn how to drive stick shift. Last season, there was even a contestant who couldn't swim! How can you go on a show like TAR without bothering to learn to drive stick or learn to swim? Craziness! I'm surprised they haven't had a contestant yet who's afraid of flying.


Well I'm glad I'm not alone.

I think I've seen people who could not swim at least 2 times now, maybe 3. There was one epic fail episode where a pair of black girls could not swim... I think I sprained something smacking my forehead at that one.
 
2013-01-29 03:52:03 PM  

softshoes: shanrick: It's hard to hold your beer and work a stick shift.

No it's not.


I know, right.

unknowncystic.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-29 03:52:14 PM  

vudukungfu: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

I've had those.
It's great. Because no one can drive them anymore.
I loved it.


I can drive one that is actually still tight and works right, of course at this point even the newest 3 on the trees are so old that unless its like had a full frame off restoration those linkages are gonna be sloppy and loose (like your mom) and once they are like that the owner is pretty much the only person on the planet that can drive it.
 
2013-01-29 03:52:54 PM  

shanrick: It's hard to hold your beer and work a stick shift.


a moran i once knew, met up with him in bumper to bumper 5MPH highway traffic on the way to work one morning. he had one of those Omni/Horizon/TC3 econo boxes with a manual shift. he was driving the stick in stop & go traffic, drinking a coffee, had a cigarette going, was eating a bagel w/ cream cheese while he was rolling a joint. all at the same time. best part was he was a security guard in uniform, looked just like a cop. we pulled in by some warehouses and got stoned before work.

/ you're an amateur. don't drink & drive, you might spill your drink.
 
2013-01-29 03:52:57 PM  
I've always thought of the stereotypical Farker as someone who:

* drives a manual,
* drinks only microbrews, and
* runs Linux.

/1 out of 3
//long way to go to win the Fark Triple Crown
 
2013-01-29 03:53:43 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I have owned manual and automatic transmissions and the pleasures of driving one or the other depend solely on the vehicle in which contained.


and the traffic around or lack thereof.

/FTFM
JC
 
2013-01-29 03:53:52 PM  

pounddawg: The automatic transmission was the first step in the downfall of western civilization.


Totes true!
 
2013-01-29 03:53:58 PM  

tricycleracer: SpiderQueenDemon: (which is the closest thing to a CRX we could get after Cash For Clunkers gutted the market,)

One Honda CRX, a 1990, was traded in during the Cash for Clunkers program.

http://jalopnik.com/5369834/cash-for-clunker-trade+ins-gmc-vandura-t o- mercedes-380sl


That makes me feel a lot better, actually. I'd been afraid all the poor little CRXs were crushed and that was where they all went. (I anthropomorphize cars a little too much when I'm fond of them and Cash For Clunkers always struck me as a missed opportunity. Surely poor people in areas with no public transit who needed vehicles to get to work and stay off welfare would've been a better place to send those cars than the crusher.)

Of course, this probably means that they've all rusted out (rust killed two of ours,) been bought by ricers or just worn out, after all. The first CRX was 'born' a year before I was, so I'll probably have to wait until 85-92 counts as 'classic' to see an unmolested one again.
 
2013-01-29 03:54:21 PM  

OgreMagi: Some people should never be allowed to drive.


Very very true.
 
2013-01-29 03:54:30 PM  

maxximillian: does this story stink to anyone else? I think I'm going to call BS. Why did the owner try lifting prints on his own?


I had a friend whose car was stolen, and they found it some time later abandoned on a city street. He asked the police if they would check for prints and the cops just laughed at him.

Frustrating. Odds are, the people who did it may have already been in the database, and they could have nailed them just like that.
 
2013-01-29 03:57:07 PM  

endosymbiont: This happened to my gf a few weeks ago. It turns out that a ton of Civics from around then all have engine blocks that are cracking. Honda knows it, and is avoiding a PR disaster by offering a free replacement (basically like an extended warranty on your engine for affected cars).

My gf got hers done at a local dealership, no charge, no questions asked.

Just making sure you know.


Hey, man, thanks. I did know about this, but thanks! I was very surprised when the dealer called me up and explained the situation. He said all 06-08s have extended warranties due to this issue.
 
2013-01-29 03:57:29 PM  
Came for the racist comments in the article.

Leaving satisfied.
 
2013-01-29 03:57:29 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: OgreMagi: 6 speed manual transmission, biatches.

That is what I have on my Civic Si. Absolutely love it.


That is what I have in my Tacoma 4-door. Absolutely love it!
 
2013-01-29 03:59:44 PM  

Tears_that_smell_like_dogfood: The Angry Hand of God: OgreMagi: 6 speed manual transmission, biatches.

That is what I have on my Civic Si. Absolutely love it.

That is what I have in my Tacoma 4-door. Absolutely love it!


A Civic?
 
2013-01-29 04:00:27 PM  

DarthBart: Cheron: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

Three on the tree, four on the floor. buy something nice and let me know where you are parking it


My work truck has a 13 speed in it. I also get tto go fast enough to use it because I have an escort from certain govt agency. Cantsay much more than that for security reasons.
 
2013-01-29 04:00:56 PM  

NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.


My advice is to get him an old manual Honda Civic hatchback. Great gas mileage, few repair costs, and can carry a surprising amount of stuff.
 
2013-01-29 04:01:07 PM  
Almost every vehicle I have owned has had a manual transmission. They're easier for me to work on plus less likely to leave you stranded when something breaks. You can drive a manual with no fluid in it and broken parts inside whereas an automatic can stop working completely because a piece of sand got inside it.

With that said, my next car will probably be an automatic. Working a clutch all these years has taken its toll and my back is getting old. Plus driving on ice/snow/hills gets annoying real fast with a manual. Besides, modern automatics shift way better than any human can do. In fact nowadays they can get better gas mileage than manuals. Used to be than manuals were almost always better.
 
2013-01-29 04:02:19 PM  

Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.


Better for what? It's not better for my morning commute I promise you.
 
2013-01-29 04:02:48 PM  
I learned to drive in a 1969 Chevrolet C10 with a 5 speed column shifter.  It was a lot of fun to drive.
I prefer the manual transmissions as they are easier to repair, and I feel more in control of the car.
 
2013-01-29 04:03:00 PM  

Tradskinzd: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

My '54 Plymouth Savoy has a 3-speed column shifter.

[images.classiccars.com image 700x525]

/not the actual pic
//mine is brown


I had a '49 Plymouth Special DeLuxe in the '80s and '90s. Great date car for long drives: Teach the girl how to shift, slide her over right next to you on the bench seat, and put your arm around her for the whole drive.

/finally sold it when I realized how much I hate working on cars
 
2013-01-29 04:03:46 PM  

YouPeopleAreCrazy: OgreMagi: Miatas are great little cars. I'm on my second one. I convinced a friend that a Miata is the best possible choice for his teenage daughter (with the addition of a roll-bar).

My daughters first act of vehicle destruction was a Miata. Her BF's dad's car.

/notice I said 'first'


I'm also on my second MX5 - the first was a '93 - 5 speed stick - great mileage. The one I have now is 2005 - 6 speed stick - poor mileage - it's geared way too high. Great cars. The 93 still had the original exhaust when I sold it - the pop up headlights still worked - had a removable hard top which unfortunately would not fit the 2005.
 
2013-01-29 04:03:47 PM  
that shiat happened to me in Oakland last year... Did I get on the news for it? no...
 
2013-01-29 04:05:43 PM  

grumpyguru: that shiat happened to me in Oakland last year... Did I get on the news for it? no...


Did you go crying to the media, looking for your 15m?
 
2013-01-29 04:08:04 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: DarthBart: Cheron: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

Three on the tree, four on the floor. buy something nice and let me know where you are parking it

[www.pirate4x4.com image 800x600]

Oh, this brings back memories!!!!

CSB time:

I grew up on a farm. In the fall when we weren't in school, I rode with my dad taking loads of corn to the elevator. The farm truck was a 13 speed. It. Had. A. Red. Button. Now mind you, this was '67ish, seatbelts? what seatbelts? And the cab of that old international had lots of room for a smallish 6 year old to get off the seat and stand around not doing much as we lumbered up the highway, I'd peek in the glovebox or see what was on the floor behind the seat....then one day.....I did it. Dad was just driving along, stogie clamped firmly, cup of coffee in his hand....and for no reason whatsoever, I pushed the red button down. Hilarity did NOT ensue. After the most incredible noises of grinding and scraping metal, dad did get it shifted down. There's some small measure of advantage in being daddy's favorite-I got to live. But I never EVER EVER got out of that passenger seat again as long as I rode on those trips.


My old fire dept had an assortment of trucks/transmissions. One had a 13-speed like that. One had a 3-speed transmission with a 2-speed rear end. Then the deuce has a regular H-pattern, but the high gears were in odd places. 1st was top left, 2nd was bottom left, then 3rd was bottom right, 4th was top right...3rd and 4th were completely flipped from every other H-pattern I've driven. Nobody but me really liked driving the deuce. They all wanted to drive the pumper and big tanker, both were automatics.
 
2013-01-29 04:09:10 PM  

vodka: Plus driving on ice/snow/hills gets annoying real fast with a manual.


Hills I get, but ice and snow? I disagree. I loved my manual in the winter.
 
2013-01-29 04:10:00 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I have owned manual and automatic transmissions and the pleasures of driving one or the other depend solely on the vehicle in which contained.


It can also depend on the driving environment. The combination of steep hills, lots of traffic lights, and heavy traffic tends to take the joy out of manual.
 
2013-01-29 04:12:01 PM  
I don't get the complaints. I've driven manuals for 2 decades, in every kind of traffic possible. From crawling around the beltway to free flowing whatever. If you think that OMG ITS THE WORST THING EVER IN TRAFFIC then you really are just a lazy whiner. I've driven manual while having only one functional arm, the other being in cast.

I really think that manual ought to get you an insurance break. Less likely to be stolen, and the driver is far more likely to be competent AND paying attention.

Also, for snowy shiatty weather, automatics are massive fail. If you don't understand why, there's no point trying to explain.
 
2013-01-29 04:16:05 PM  
I started at 16 with a 1972 VW Beetle that was 4-speed manual, then I got a 2001 Honda Accord coupe with a 5-speed, now I drive a 2010 Acura TSX with 6-speed manual.

Evolution of the forward gears FTW!

/Would love to drive a 3-speed on the column
 
2013-01-29 04:17:15 PM  

OgreMagi: NASAM: tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?

Miata isn't really an option. Rather him not have a two seater. But I can't tell you the last time I ran across a GTI.

No back seat is a good thing. Do you know what a teenage boy will want to do with a backseat?


The same thing a teenage boy wants to do anywhere possible?
 
2013-01-29 04:17:21 PM  

endosymbiont: Frozboz: While our '08 manual transmission Civic is in the shop this week (cracked block, woohoo!) I rented a 2012 Fiat 500 to get to work. It has this weird shift-if-you-want-to-or-don't shift transmission. It also has a "sport" auto mode. It's like cars today try too hard, or something.

/old

FYI, your repair should be free at a dealership. If not, call your shop right now and stop the work.

This happened to my gf a few weeks ago. It turns out that a ton of Civics from around then all have engine blocks that are cracking. Honda knows it, and is avoiding a PR disaster by offering a free replacement (basically like an extended warranty on your engine for affected cars).

My gf got hers done at a local dealership, no charge, no questions asked.

Just making sure you know.

Incidentally, she also got a Fiat rental. Man, what a POS car that was.


The 500? I drove a Fiat Panda rental around in Italy (same basic platform as the 500) and I thought it was a great little car, not super zippy, but you can't expect too performance much out of a 1.1L engine.
 
2013-01-29 04:17:44 PM  

DarthBart:
My old fire dept had an assortment of trucks/transmissions. One had a 13-speed like that. One had a 3-speed transmission with a 2-speed rear end. Then the deuce has a regular H-pattern, but the high gears were in odd places. 1st was top left, 2nd was bottom left, then 3rd was bottom right, 4th was top right...3rd and 4th were completely flipped from every other H-pattern I've driven. Nobody but me really liked driving the deuce. They all wanted to drive the pumper and big tanker, both were automatics.


That old International was the second thing I learned to drive. The first was an old dodge utility truck that didn't have second gear and wasn't terribly fussy about if you got the clutch fully depressed or not. I learned to drive that around 12, when I could get the clutch all the way to the floor. It was great, you really couldn't hurt it, so it was just "hey bring the truck down to the field". You'd ridden enough in them to know what had to be done, so you just went about figuring it out. I remember our deuce an a half fondly. You could really build some upper body strength turning that thing. :) Ugly, noisy, slow, but had the strength of many many horses.

Then I graduated to cars with teeeny tiny shift patterns...hated them.
 
2013-01-29 04:18:54 PM  
MindStalker: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter. I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

Until the local Nursing Home escape discovers it.


Or worse
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2013-01-29 04:19:57 PM  

Druid5: Guy described the pair as "Hansom". They already spared his life once, is he hoping for extra credit just in case?


Maybe he meant Hansom Cab
 
2013-01-29 04:20:18 PM  

The Flexecutioner: maxximillian: does this story stink to anyone else? I think I'm going to call BS. Why did the owner try lifting prints on his own?

a little, but then i read this final line of the article:

"Randolph says he has more information to give to police, but officers haven't yet returned his calls."

that is kind of infuriating, imo. but yeah, his efforts sound douchy at the very least.


Your performance as a policeman is measured by how many cases you resolve. Attempted car jackings like this have a very low chance of finding the criminal. Knowing this I envision a scene at the police station where everyone is doing their level best not to be assigned to the "Randolph case".
 
2013-01-29 04:20:45 PM  
I am starting to get pissed at the people behind me at long lights who beep at me. I like to put the car into neutral and take my foot off the clutch while waiting. As soon as that light turns green, people do not understand the extra 0.00000554 second delay it takes me to put my car into first and start beeping at me right away. Sorry I ruined you day because I don't drive a crappy automatic.
 
2013-01-29 04:21:41 PM  

NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.


www.thesamba.com
 
2013-01-29 04:24:02 PM  
www.robertmanni.com
"What da third peddle fo?
 
2013-01-29 04:24:32 PM  
Here are some other products that can help you avoid theft.

www.aerojockey.com
A thief is going to take one look at this baby and move right on.  Very few criminals looking to do arithmetic will know how to use this calculator.

www.aerojockey.com
Imagine the hilarity when theives try to play their Snoop Dog CDs on this.  They'll leave this one behind for sure.

www.aerojockey.com
Know how you're always losing your pens? Have you considered that maybe you're not losing them, they're being stolen? Well, not any more. A thief needing to write a letter will quickly give up when trying to use this pen.
 
2013-01-29 04:25:52 PM  
For those who say you can't multi-task while driving a manual, I strongly beg to differ. Back in the early 80's I was driving non-stop between Cincinnati, and Salina, Kansas. Along about Columbia, Missouri on I-70, I got the urge for some cock and ball torture. Pulling over wasn't really an option as I was pressed for time. So in between playing with the car, I was able to strip down to a red speedo, get out some nylon clothesline, and firmly truss my junk to the steering wheel, and proceed to have the most awesome wank, all with the knowledge that any sudden directional changes would lead to much pain, possibly up to castration. Let me tell you,...you haven't yet begun to live until you've masturbated at 65 miles an hour on the interstate with your cock bound to the steering wheel, especially in a car with a manual.

No a spentmiles wannabe, as the above CSB is not a work of fiction.
 
2013-01-29 04:26:04 PM  

tricycleracer: [www.model-t-restore.com image 850x557]


I almost bought a Model T once in my youth. I think it would take me a while to learn to drive it.

Note that there's no gas pedal. Are you still supposed to drive with the left foot on the clutch?
My Mustang has a 5 speed manual. I bought ti because I thought the manual was much more responsive vs. the laggy automatic.

I was thinking it was about time I bought a stick, then I remembered that I've had 1970s Dart Sport 360 and a Datsun 200sx with stick and a VW beetle with auto-stick. Sorta like when you go to a restaurant and notice that you always order "a change of pace" that's the same thing as the last times.

I do cringe thinking about a kid porter at a repair shop trying to figure it out.
 
2013-01-29 04:26:49 PM  

amundb: I am starting to get pissed at the people behind me at long lights who beep at me. I like to put the car into neutral and take my foot off the clutch while waiting. As soon as that light turns green, people do not understand the extra 0.00000554 second delay it takes me to put my car into first and start beeping at me right away. Sorry I ruined you day because I don't drive a crappy automatic.


Whenever I get to even the slightest incline at a red light I put the Jeep into neutral and let it drift backwards for a foot or so. It's amazing how quickly people behind me snap to attention and back off.
 
2013-01-29 04:27:03 PM  

pounddawg: The automatic transmission was the first step in the downfall of western civilization.


No, that was the second step.

The first was the invention of the self-starter. If starter cranks were good enough for great-great-grandpa, they should be good enough for everyone.

Seriously, in my household everybody had to learn to drive manual before they were allowed out on the road. Period end of discussion. If you can only drive autoboxes, you can't really drive.
Now, years later, my oldest daughter is a car journalist who can drive pretty much anything with wheels and a motor. Naturally, she ordered her new car with a 6-speed manual. Her sister also bought a car with a manual because she's a poor student and it was cheap. Being able to drive stick gave her the option of spending her limited budget on a nicer car with a manual rather than a more heavily used one with an autobox.
 
2013-01-29 04:27:32 PM  

amundb: I am starting to get pissed at the people behind me at long lights who beep at me. I like to put the car into neutral and take my foot off the clutch while waiting. As soon as that light turns green, people do not understand the extra 0.00000554 second delay it takes me to put my car into first and start beeping at me right away. Sorry I ruined you day because I don't drive a crappy automatic.


Sounds like you're on the east coast, where people drive aggressively and are focused on, you know, getting where they are going. :) If you're first in line, watch for the yellow on the other direction. If you're not first in line, you have lousy reaction time.

I live on the west coast. Trust me, you want aggressive drivers around you. When everyone dawdles and futzes, traffic blows chunks.
 
2013-01-29 04:34:19 PM  
My HHR/SS is a 5-speed stock, her Exploder is an automatic. My bike is kick-start only & shifts with the right foot. Built-in theft deterrent.
 
2013-01-29 04:34:30 PM  
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2013-01-29 04:35:07 PM  
i love driving stick. so glad i don't live somewhere hilly or too congested. automatics make me feel like i'm constantly braking. and bored.
 
2013-01-29 04:36:07 PM  

NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.


I would sell you my '98 Kia Sephia 5-speed manual, but it's too much fun to drive, even for a little 4 banger. Plus I'm saving it for my daughters. If one of them wrecks it I may shed a tear or two.
 
2013-01-29 04:36:13 PM  

Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.


In all fairness, there's not anything _wrong_ with being bad at driving, I'd rather the people that are bad at driving have some machinery covering the basics for them. It's not like all such people are rich enough for chauffeurs or live on convenient bus routes, so some of them are going to have to drive anyway.

God knows if my mother had to perform rote actions to switch gears in addition to paying attention to the road, I and all my siblings would have died in an exploding fireball as kids. We almost did several times even with an automatic.

aerojockey:
A thief is going to take one look at this baby and move right on.  Very few criminals looking to do arithmetic will know how to use this calculator.


I would hope that anyone stealing a calculator can do logarithms, so actually they probably can. It's not rocket science, man, ln(a)+ln(b) = ln(ab), that's literally the entire trick to working a slide rule.
 
2013-01-29 04:36:46 PM  

vodka: Plus driving on ice/snow/hills gets annoying real fast with a manual.


Never understood the problem driving in snow. Second gear, enough gas to get the wheels just spinning, sidestep the clutch. Steering wheel pointed in the direction you want to go, keep adjusting the throttle to keep the rest of the car reasonably behind that. It doesn't necessarily need to be straight. Throw in some e-brake in FWD cars for more control setting up for turns. Oh, and NA Miata's with a proper set of 4 snow tires are awesome in snow up to 4-5 inches. Perfect balance. You haven't lived till you've made a parking lot look like a helicopter landed upside down in a top down Miata.
 
2013-01-29 04:37:04 PM  

Lsherm: tricycleracer: [www.model-t-restore.com image 850x557]

Years ago I looked at picking up a restored Ford truck from 1915 or thereabouts and it took me 25 minutes just to get comfortable enough with it to drive it 1/2 mile.


I work with someone who is doing a full restore on a Model T (1914 I think). He's been going slow and steady, and cataloging everything with plenty of pictures. It's pretty cool to watch his progress.

I know, I know, CSB.
 
2013-01-29 04:40:21 PM  

OgreMagi: tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?

Miatas are great little cars. I'm on my second one. I convinced a friend that a Miata is the best possible choice for his teenage daughter (with the addition of a roll-bar). It's not actually a fast car, though it is nimble. It only seats two! The intelligence of teenagers is inversly proportional to the quantity of teenagers, so when in a car you want to keep their number to a minimum. Used Miatas in good shape are readily available and reasonably priced. Finally, despite the limitations, getting her a Miata makes you "the coolest dad EVAH!" At least for the next hour or so. Teens are fickle and have a short memory.


That is absolutely brilliant and I plan on saving your post for when my daughter reaches 16.

/4 years to go...
 
2013-01-29 04:40:38 PM  
I recently got back into a stick after 8 years of driving an auto. People tell me that they can't deal with a stick because of traffic, but I live in Atlanta (ITP) and I haven't complained in the two months I've been dealing with it. I didn't before either, but even at my advanced age of 37 I don't seem to mind.

It took my wife about 2 days to relearn after an auto for 10 years. Once you learn manual then you're pretty much set for life with it.
 
2013-01-29 04:41:25 PM  
that happened to me once- a couple of kids tried to steal my jeep. They managed to get it out of the driveway but couldnt get it out of reverse and into gear so they just left it in the middle of the street
/CSB
 
2013-01-29 04:42:45 PM  

shanrick: It's hard to hold your beer and work a stick shift.


Not really.
 
2013-01-29 04:44:04 PM  
This is a high performance car compared to other cars, so if they had gotten it, they might have hurt themselves in it."

Alternate Headline: Corvette Owner Reinforces Stereotype
 
2013-01-29 04:44:46 PM  
I used to have a Saab 96, like this one:

www.angelscars.se

It had a "FOUR ON THE TREE", and the model was famous for having bad synchros (the Three on the Tree model had NO synchros).

It was so ugly that a mexican fellow I worked with - who lived in the barrios - asked me not to park it in front of his house, he thought it lowered his property values. (I put some foam dice on the rear-view mirror and some fuzzy bathroom carpet on the dash and he was alright with it then)

Shifting it was an art form.
// Did I mention it was Front Wheel Drive?
 
2013-01-29 04:44:59 PM  
It's got 6 forward and 2 reverse

www.in70mm.com
 
2013-01-29 04:45:19 PM  

Rapmaster2000: I recently got back into a stick after 8 years of driving an auto. People tell me that they can't deal with a stick because of traffic, but I live in Atlanta (ITP) and I haven't complained in the two months I've been dealing with it. I didn't before either, but even at my advanced age of 37 I don't seem to mind.

It took my wife about 2 days to relearn after an auto for 10 years. Once you learn manual then you're pretty much set for life with it.


I live OTP now, but when I lived in Atlanta, I drove stick. I would probably fall asleep waiting in traffic on 75 if I had an automatic.
 
2013-01-29 04:45:52 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: shanrick: It's hard to hold your beer and work a stick shift.

Not really.


Yeah, I once managed to drink a beer, smoke a cigarette, and take a phone call while shifting in a Saab of all vehicles.
 
2013-01-29 04:46:22 PM  
lmao @ people who find driving stick to be even remotely hard

sorry about your defective brain I guess
 
2013-01-29 04:48:53 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: Rapmaster2000: I recently got back into a stick after 8 years of driving an auto. People tell me that they can't deal with a stick because of traffic, but I live in Atlanta (ITP) and I haven't complained in the two months I've been dealing with it. I didn't before either, but even at my advanced age of 37 I don't seem to mind.

It took my wife about 2 days to relearn after an auto for 10 years. Once you learn manual then you're pretty much set for life with it.

I live OTP now, but when I lived in Atlanta, I drove stick. I would probably fall asleep waiting in traffic on 75 if I had an automatic.


I've been driving stick ITP for well over a decade now with no complaints.
 
2013-01-29 04:49:08 PM  
Some of the newer manuals (MINI Cooper) have hill hold. Works better than an auto on a hill. The only problem is when I swap to the older MINI and forget the hill hold isn't there.
 
2013-01-29 04:49:43 PM  

aerojockey: Here are some other products that can help you avoid theft.

[www.aerojockey.com image 558x152]
A thief is going to take one look at this baby and move right on.  Very few criminals looking to do arithmetic will know how to use this calculator.

[www.aerojockey.com image 338x450]
Imagine the hilarity when theives try to play their Snoop Dog CDs on this.  They'll leave this one behind for sure.

[www.aerojockey.com image 300x400]
Know how you're always losing your pens? Have you considered that maybe you're not losing them, they're being stolen? Well, not any more. A thief needing to write a letter will quickly give up when trying to use this pen.


You forgot about the theft-evasion potentials in the business world; is your ipad constantly being stolen? No one would think about stealing a typewriter. Run a doctors office, and find that your meds sometimes disappear? Switch over to drills and leeches, you'll be set!

//I prefer manual...if I have to drive a car
//harley go vroom!
//err...it's manual too, as it so happens...
 
2013-01-29 04:50:46 PM  

Tigger: Fun Fact:

In the UK if you take your driving test in an automatic you get a special (emphasis on special) licence that allows you only to drive an automatic.


A friend of my SO insists that he has an automatic license only because, on the day he was going for his test, the instructor's manual car broke down, so the friend had a choice, rechedule, or take it in an automatic.

And for some reason he's never re-done the test.

/nobody believes him
 
2013-01-29 04:51:18 PM  

TomD9938: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I have owned manual and automatic transmissions and the pleasures of driving one or the other depend solely on the vehicle in which contained.

Yep. Auto for the daily mind numbing 5mph stop and go rush hour grind and a manual for Sunday fun in the country.


These.
 
2013-01-29 04:51:29 PM  

garumph: Some of the newer manuals (MINI Cooper) have hill hold. Works better than an auto on a hill. The only problem is when I swap to the older MINI and forget the hill hold isn't there.


my mom's mini once wouldn't open the car since there's no actual key and it's just a button. she was pretty cold that night until someone could pick her up.

i don't get why cars are now computers. i miss the days when a few guys with a beer in one hand could easily fix your car for cheap. now you need a computer technician just to open the door.
 
2013-01-29 04:51:33 PM  

Bit'O'Gristle: Hmmm.. dont they usually give a description of the perps so that the public can assist in capturing them?


Not if they're black.
 
2013-01-29 04:51:50 PM  

garumph: Some of the newer manuals (MINI Cooper) have hill hold. Works better than an auto on a hill. The only problem is when I swap to the older MINI and forget the hill hold isn't there.


Yeah, my 328i has manual hill hold, and I'm WAY slower in getting off the clutch than I was in the past. It holds for 2 seconds. I would probably farkup if I were to go back to a car without it.
 
2013-01-29 04:51:55 PM  

powhound: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

I would sell you my '98 Kia Sephia 5-speed manual, but it's too much fun to drive, even for a little 4 banger. Plus I'm saving it for my daughters. If one of them wrecks it I may shed a tear or two.


Look for a base 2001-2002 Cavalier. As with any car, make sure the tin worm hasn't attacked it. Check that the cooling system is in good condition (without regular coolant changes every couple of years it tends to silt up and lose cooling capacity). Other than that, they are mechanically very solid, cheap and relatively easy to maintain and are about the only cars in their price range with ABS brakes. Both my daughters had one of these as their first cas. Both got years of reliable use out of them. As a bonus, if there's snow around, they are surprisingly adept at getting unstuck. Very good value for money, and your son will never try to show off to his friends.
 
2013-01-29 04:53:20 PM  

ItchyBrother: I used to have a Saab 96, like this one:

[www.angelscars.se image 850x566]

It had a "FOUR ON THE TREE", and the model was famous for having bad synchros (the Three on the Tree model had NO synchros).

It was so ugly that a mexican fellow I worked with - who lived in the barrios - asked me not to park it in front of his house, he thought it lowered his property values. (I put some foam dice on the rear-view mirror and some fuzzy bathroom carpet on the dash and he was alright with it then)

Shifting it was an art form.
// Did I mention it was Front Wheel Drive?


At least you didn't have the two-stroke model...
 
2013-01-29 04:53:40 PM  

tricycleracer: Wellon Dowd: maxximillian: does this story stink to anyone else? I think I'm going to call BS. Why did the owner try lifting prints on his own?

Because Florida.

"Stand Your Ground" gets all the press, but "Do Your Own Police Work" is actually a much worse and lesser known Florida law.


Bugs Meany's gonna walk
 
2013-01-29 04:54:38 PM  

rangercheese: I've always thought of the stereotypical Farker as someone who:

* drives a manual,
* drinks only microbrews, and
* runs Linux.

/1 out of 3
//long way to go to win the Fark Triple Crown


2 out of 3, I like lager

2 different versions of linux though, so 2.5?
 
2013-01-29 04:57:02 PM  

rangercheese: I've always thought of the stereotypical Farker as someone who:

* drives a manual,
* drinks only microbrews, and
* runs Linux.

/1 out of 3
//long way to go to win the Fark Triple Crown


I hit the trifecta. Score!
 
2013-01-29 04:58:02 PM  

garumph: Some of the newer manuals (MINI Cooper) have hill hold. Works better than an auto on a hill. The only problem is when I swap to the older MINI and forget the hill hold isn't there.


the BMW i ordered has this. the dealer never even told me (they never sell manuals). i had no idea what it was doing the first time i tried a hill start in the thing. now, of course, i love it, but i do feel like i'm cheating a bit...
 
2013-01-29 04:58:05 PM  
I've driven my dad's manual back in the day, but my inherent laziness meant I preferred to let the car do the work and purchased an automatic.
 
2013-01-29 04:59:59 PM  

garumph: Some of the newer manuals (MINI Cooper) have hill hold. Works better than an auto on a hill. The only problem is when I swap to the older MINI and forget the hill hold isn't there.


I didn't know that was a feature for the first, say 8 months of having my Mini Cooper. I go up a steep hill that has a cross road right at the top, plus where I grew up in the states, the main road had a stop light on a hill, so I'm quite used to hill starts.

I love hill hold.
 
2013-01-29 05:03:00 PM  
The only reason I like stick shift (these days...racing when younger) is because if your battery dies, you only need a good hill or a strong push to get your car started again.
 
2013-01-29 05:03:48 PM  

chairmenmeow47: garumph: Some of the newer manuals (MINI Cooper) have hill hold. Works better than an auto on a hill. The only problem is when I swap to the older MINI and forget the hill hold isn't there.

my mom's mini once wouldn't open the car since there's no actual key and it's just a button. she was pretty cold that night until someone could pick her up.

i don't get why cars are now computers. i miss the days when a few guys with a beer in one hand could easily fix your car for cheap. now you need a computer technician just to open the door.


um, there is a key (at least on mine there is)

There should be a little silver button at the back of the fob, near the top of the circular fob and the bottom of the "handle" for lack of a better word. Press that, pull up on the "handle", and you should now have a key in one hand, and the fob in the other.
 
2013-01-29 05:04:06 PM  

NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.


Try a used Chevy Aveo.
 
2013-01-29 05:09:02 PM  
I am a truck man, but I eventually plan on having a fuel saving car as well, and that will definitely, most assuredly, and positively be a stick shift.
 
2013-01-29 05:09:05 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: And the moral of the story is, 'don't try to smoke baggies of leaves you find in 1987 Hondas that do not belong to you.'


You just got favorited. That story rocked immensely and made my afternoon!
 
2013-01-29 05:10:20 PM  
Every year this thread rolls around and I recall when my 6-speed sentra spec-v was stolen in Newark. Big surprise, I know, 6 gears instead of 5. But here's the thing, the kid who stole it knew how to pop the window out of the door, then unlock the car without damaging anything at all. Then he removed the entire ignition key-lock assembly from the steering column, exposing a tiny area with a slot that could be rotated with a flathead screwdriver, and TA-DAA the car would start! He was a very talented and detail-oriented gang banger undergrad, but he didn't think his cunning plan all the way through; the clutch and transmission boggled his teenage brain. The car was on the end of a block, he only had to pull forward. Yet he somehow managed to back into the car behind him several times before making a right turn onto the cross street. There he stalled for the final time, bailing out and leaving the car in the middle of the road with driver's door open. I had to push it to the curb in the rain with the help of Newark PD. In my PJs. At 2 in the afternoon. On a Saturday. To be 27 again. But I digress - the point is that he would've gotten away with the car if he could drive stick. And I kind of wish he had - the insurance check would've been better than my trade-in. But he left the Creedence so I can't complain.

/CSB
 
2013-01-29 05:11:02 PM  

WhoGAS: The only reason I like stick shift (these days...racing when younger) is because if your battery dies, you only need a good hill or a strong push to get your car started again.


The lack of field current in the alternator to create the magnetism for electrical generation would beg to differ. Unless you're going old school with a permanent magnet generator...
 
2013-01-29 05:11:21 PM  
That 3rd pedal's the EXTRA EMERGENCY brake...
it's for when you have to stop REALLY FAST!
 
2013-01-29 05:12:40 PM  

aaronius: WhoGAS: The only reason I like stick shift (these days...racing when younger) is because if your battery dies, you only need a good hill or a strong push to get your car started again.

The lack of field current in the alternator to create the magnetism for electrical generation would beg to differ. Unless you're going old school with a permanent magnet generator...


It's been a long time, but I had a 1989 Ford Escort and we used to hill jump that farking thing all the time.  It had a short in one of the rear tailights so the battery would go dead all the time.
 
2013-01-29 05:12:52 PM  

Psylence: Also, for snowy shiatty weather, automatics are massive fail. If you don't understand why, there's no point trying to explain.


If only automatics had some sort of function that let you use lower gears as well...
 
2013-01-29 05:13:13 PM  

thisone: There should be a little silver button at the back of the fob, near the top of the circular fob and the bottom of the "handle" for lack of a better word. Press that, pull up on the "handle", and you should now have a key in one hand, and the fob in the other.


ssshhh...just let them think they were powerless. If you tell them they could get in all along, they will suddenly feel stupid, and then you've gone and ruined their day. You big meanie.
 
2013-01-29 05:13:18 PM  

fozziewazzi: amundb: I am starting to get pissed at the people behind me at long lights who beep at me. I like to put the car into neutral and take my foot off the clutch while waiting. As soon as that light turns green, people do not understand the extra 0.00000554 second delay it takes me to put my car into first and start beeping at me right away. Sorry I ruined you day because I don't drive a crappy automatic.

Whenever I get to even the slightest incline at a red light I put the Jeep into neutral and let it drift backwards for a foot or so. It's amazing how quickly people behind me snap to attention and back off.


Gawds, I hate those people... and driving frequently in San Francisco means lots of hills that I have to get into gear on. At least people seem used to that problem there and don't tend to tailgate too badly, but the tourists are obvious since they get right on your bumper.

My BIGGEST issue, though, are the people that will lay on your horns because you DARE to wait at a crosswalk before making a right turn because there's a pedestrian crossing in front of you. I just don't know if those people expect me to run the walker over or what...

/end rant
//half of them are taxi drivers
 
2013-01-29 05:13:41 PM  

MindStalker: eas81: [2.bp.blogspot.com image 850x818] [i.imgur.com image 651x481]

I've been trying to teach my daughter to drive my manual. I'm considering buying this, the little Learners Driver magnet isn't helping to avoid the honking. BTW people are rude.....


I see certain advantage to putting a "beginning driver" sign on a car and leaving it there, particularly for bar night.
 
2013-01-29 05:15:21 PM  

rangercheese: I've always thought of the stereotypical Farker as someone who:

* drives a manual,
* drinks only microbrews, and
* runs Linux.

/1 out of 3
//long way to go to win the Fark Triple Crown


2/3. I got kids. I don't really drink anymore.
 
2013-01-29 05:16:01 PM  
www.ev1.pair.com

Push button shift FTW :-p
 
2013-01-29 05:18:16 PM  

sunbyrne: The only configuration my car came in is 6-speed manual. That's how you know you've found the right car, they don't even mess with automatics.

/ 263 hp, 280 lb-ft torque, 3200 lbs
// zoom zoom


Same here, a 2010 (w/ hood scoop goodness!)
 
2013-01-29 05:18:22 PM  

Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.


Not true, a friend of the family had really bad arthritis from her 40s, and an automatic kept her relatively mobile/independent for years after when she otherwise couldn't have got about at all herself.
 
2013-01-29 05:19:15 PM  
"when in doubt, both feet out."
 
2013-01-29 05:20:08 PM  

rangercheese: I've always thought of the stereotypical Farker as someone who:

* drives a manual,
* drinks only microbrews, and
* runs Linux.

/1 out of 3
//long way to go to win the Fark Triple Crown


Yep.
I'm a Guinness guy.
Yep.
 
2013-01-29 05:22:48 PM  
aaronius 2013-01-29 05:11:02 PM

WhoGAS: The only reason I like stick shift (these days...racing when younger) is because if your battery dies, you only need a good hill or a strong push to get your car started again.

The lack of field current in the alternator to create the magnetism for electrical generation would beg to differ. Unless you're going old school with a permanent magnet generator...


So you're saying we can't do that these days?

Because if you're purposefully switching it to "old school" as you say, I assume you're implying that things have changed and do not work the way you state in your initial idea.

Last time I did that was on a 90s model something or another. Girl thought I was magic...(no, nothing came of it...she was just not bright)
 
2013-01-29 05:22:49 PM  

Lsherm: aaronius: WhoGAS: The only reason I like stick shift (these days...racing when younger) is because if your battery dies, you only need a good hill or a strong push to get your car started again.

The lack of field current in the alternator to create the magnetism for electrical generation would beg to differ. Unless you're going old school with a permanent magnet generator...

It's been a long time, but I had a 1989 Ford Escort and we used to hill jump that farking thing all the time.  It had a short in one of the rear tailights so the battery would go dead all the time.


As long as there is some degree of charge in the battery, you're golden. But if the battery is flat dead, you won't get any output from the alternator. There are no permanent magnets in modern alternators (those built after the 1960s or so), so all the magnetism is created from current passing through a set of windings known as the stator.

I'm gonna stop there before I go into a whole lecture about how alternators work.
 
2013-01-29 05:23:17 PM  

Savage Bacon: Never understood why people are so fixated on manual and feeling "connected" to their car, as if this somehow creates a symbiotic relationship. I drive my car to get from point A to point B and feel in control of it the whole time. It's a tool, not a toy, but I suppose that this is where the difference lies. I don't use a car to feel like I'm in the land of race car ya-yas; the land where you can't change lanes; the land where large fuzzy dice hang proudly, like testicles, from rear-view mirrors.


Bolded is the section where you become a condescending twat. Now you can go work on your social skills...
 
2013-01-29 05:23:59 PM  

pastorkius: but you can't expect too performance much out of a 1.1L engine.


I drive a 1985 Mazda RX-7 with the 12A Wankle rotary engine. 1143 CC. 1.1 liter. 5-speed. It's pretty zippy, even though, at 107 horsepower and 105 ft. lbs. of torque, it's not really what I would consider "powerful". But it's a rotary, not a piston-engine. And sadly, Mazda just quit making the rotary.
 
2013-01-29 05:25:19 PM  

thisone: chairmenmeow47: garumph: Some of the newer manuals (MINI Cooper) have hill hold. Works better than an auto on a hill. The only problem is when I swap to the older MINI and forget the hill hold isn't there.

my mom's mini once wouldn't open the car since there's no actual key and it's just a button. she was pretty cold that night until someone could pick her up.

i don't get why cars are now computers. i miss the days when a few guys with a beer in one hand could easily fix your car for cheap. now you need a computer technician just to open the door.

um, there is a key (at least on mine there is)

There should be a little silver button at the back of the fob, near the top of the circular fob and the bottom of the "handle" for lack of a better word. Press that, pull up on the "handle", and you should now have a key in one hand, and the fob in the other.


i'll let her know, but she called the dealership and they couldn't help her. i wasn't there, she was up in the mountains.
 
2013-01-29 05:27:34 PM  
I learned to drive on an '81 Mazda RX-7 (with a manual choke). I complained to my dad at the time because he refused to let me get my license until I was able to drive the stick competently. Now I think it may be one of the best things he did for me as a teenager.

I dread going to dealerships as a woman. The run-arounds are amazing, and as much as I hate it, I tended to lean toward letting my husband do all the talking when I bought automatics. However... As soon as I say "I'm only looking for a manual," their attitudes switch immediately. It's amazing.

Current car is a 2009 manual Honda Fit. I drive it in Boston rush-hour traffic all the time. Love it, no complaints. I feel I pay attention far more when I'm driving the manual transmission - and nothing beats the control you have during crappy weather.
 
2013-01-29 05:28:01 PM  

NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.


Just bought a 2000 Corolla for my daughter for $3.5k. 4 cyl and manual. Nice condition with 105k miles. She insisted on a manual.
 
2013-01-29 05:30:13 PM  

durbnpoisn: I have a 5-speed. But for only one reason. It was a car I could afford. Generally speaking the same model of any stickshift I've owned costs a lot more with an automatic trans. Plus, they tend to be faster and more responsive. You know, if that sort of thing is important to you.

I think I've owned 5 different cars that were stick. I think the only thing I don't like about manual is that it's difficult to play drums in traffic. And that is very important to me.


Impossible to do double bass.
 
2013-01-29 05:30:51 PM  
The automatic was the first step in the ascension of man to a post-human utopia controlled by the Machines.

I, for one, welcome our glorious automated overlords

/Can't wait for my robot self-driving Google car
 
2013-01-29 05:32:32 PM  

thisone: garumph: Some of the newer manuals (MINI Cooper) have hill hold. Works better than an auto on a hill. The only problem is when I swap to the older MINI and forget the hill hold isn't there.

I didn't know that was a feature for the first, say 8 months of having my Mini Cooper. I go up a steep hill that has a cross road right at the top, plus where I grew up in the states, the main road had a stop light on a hill, so I'm quite used to hill starts.

I love hill hold.


I taught a friend how to start up on a hill with a cluth. She didn't think it would be possible. Put on barking brake (obviously, you need good brakes for this to work). Give a little gas and let out clutch until you feel it catch. Now more gas and ease out the cluth until you feel it trying to pull the car forward. Start letting off the hand break as you continue with gas and clutch. I taught her with a '72 VW Bug.

If you are really good, you don't need that trick, but that takes practice and knowing your car very well.
 
2013-01-29 05:35:44 PM  

antidumbass: Stick shifts are better for all the other drivers on the road because you can't use a cell phone or eat a taco whilst driving.
/2 cents


This is incorrect.
 
2013-01-29 05:39:18 PM  

OgreMagi: rangercheese: I've always thought of the stereotypical Farker as someone who:

* drives a manual,
* drinks only microbrews, and
* runs Linux.

/1 out of 3
//long way to go to win the Fark Triple Crown

Yep.
I'm a Guinness guy.
Yep.


The question is, did you get a towel?

/0 for 3 myself.  I don't drink alcohol - I'm allergic to most fruity drinks, and can't stand most other drinks - I drive an automatic (it was cheap, I needed a car, and oh yeah my foot's big enough that when I was learning how to drive it would get "stuck" going from gas to brake and back - so I drive with one on gas and one on brake, or more commonly one gas one to the side of brake), and I haven't done anything with Linux since Ubuntu came out.
 
2013-01-29 05:40:40 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: It's probably got a dual-clutch transmission. Basically, an automatic manual for people who can't drive manuals.


Yeah, like Walter Roehrl.
 
2013-01-29 05:42:14 PM  
I'm a car guy. I've been a licensed driver for 14 years and have owned 11 different cars, 5 manual, 5 automatic, and 1 CVT. I prefer manual on track and for autocross (and onramps and offramps :)), but yeah, automatic is nicer in traffic. The automatics I've owned were beaters, hand-me-downs, or cars I wanted that didn't come in manual.

In my opinion (and it's just my opinion), for a driver's car (not a grocery getter/commuter), manual is the only way to go. If you're serious about having fun in a car, you need to put down the taco and concentrate on driving. (note: I do eat tacos while commuting with a manual, but I'm ninja like that).

These days I'm rocking a 6sp manual E46 BMW M3. The alternative there was the SMG transmission (same gearbox, just "automatic", essentially a hydraulic clutch and shifter connected to a computer). Eff that noise, clutch please!
 
2013-01-29 05:42:31 PM  
That's when two men took him by surprise while he was inside his bright, yellow Corvette.

They should have shot the car.
 
2013-01-29 05:43:01 PM  

pounddawg: The automatic transmission was the first step in the downfall of western civilization


Close, but not quite. The downfall of western civilization began with the disappearance of the manual spark advance lever.

Could you imagine how free and easy the roads would be if you still needed brains and coordination to drive a car?
 
2013-01-29 05:44:23 PM  

Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.


What's the over/under for people who drive manual bright yellow Corvettes?
 
2013-01-29 05:45:13 PM  

chairmenmeow47: thisone: chairmenmeow47: garumph: Some of the newer manuals (MINI Cooper) have hill hold. Works better than an auto on a hill. The only problem is when I swap to the older MINI and forget the hill hold isn't there.

my mom's mini once wouldn't open the car since there's no actual key and it's just a button. she was pretty cold that night until someone could pick her up.

i don't get why cars are now computers. i miss the days when a few guys with a beer in one hand could easily fix your car for cheap. now you need a computer technician just to open the door.

um, there is a key (at least on mine there is)

There should be a little silver button at the back of the fob, near the top of the circular fob and the bottom of the "handle" for lack of a better word. Press that, pull up on the "handle", and you should now have a key in one hand, and the fob in the other.

i'll let her know, but she called the dealership and they couldn't help her. i wasn't there, she was up in the mountains.


Serious question, since different model years can be different, do her car handles have key locks?

First thing I asked on the test drive when I was handed the fob, was why the handles had key locks if I didn't have a key. That's when the sales woman showed me the button.

Also, the fob gets recharged when its in the ignition slot, so no worrying about a dead fob and not being able to start the car. Haven't tested that part though.
 
2013-01-29 05:46:28 PM  

oakleym82:

These days I'm rocking a 6sp manual E46 BMW M3. The alternative there was the SMG transmission (same gearbox, just "automatic", essentially a hydraulic clutch and shifter connected to a computer). Eff that noise, clutch please!


+1 on using E46. Your car guy credentials check out.
 
2013-01-29 05:48:31 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: I'm pretty sure that's the only reason my car wasn't stolen when I lived in a sketchy place one summer for one of my college internships. My neighbors went through two cars in one summer, and they weren't nice cars, either.

If anyone has time for a 'Cool Story, Sis' about stupid car mods, you can keep reading. If not, just scroll down to the next comment.

The smash-and-grab problem was so bad that I went to the junkyard and pulled the front off an old tape deck to shove in the console, then soldered some longer wires to the harness, ran them under the plastic cowling and actually managed to get the real head unit installed vertically in the center glovebox. You'd open the top, put in your CD or connect your MP3 player, and carry on, though I did have to cut some subtle vent holes and wire in a computer fan to keep the unit at a safe temperature in the summer and I actually used some metal straps and screws to really secure it in there so it couldn't just be yanked. Had to disassemble almost the entire middle of the interior to do it, but my time was worth nothing then and the radio had been a present from my Dad, so I really did not want it stolen.

I also used a Dremel to cut a cassette tape in half and glued it into the tape-deck-front so it looked like I was actually using it. Eventually I put the tape-deck-front onto hinges and used some Sugru and Krazy Glue to securely wedge a plastic box into the original radio's spot (it once contained frozen eclairs, but a good cleaning and some Krylon for Plastic made it work,) and so my car's wonderful radio security system consisted of the radio and the center glovebox being in opposite places. I also wired a little hidden switch into the ignition so even with the key, the car would only start if one knew exactly what switch to flip. Again, my time was worth nothing at this point, and the car wasn't worth much more, but I'd lose my job if I lost it and I had very little choice but to innovate.

After that was done, I'd ...


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-29 05:50:34 PM  
I must be a weirdo in that I don't have a strong preference in the auto/manual transmission debate. I drove stick shifts for years because they're generally cheaper and more fuel efficient but my current car (Scion xB) is automatic. I guess the auto transmission nice in traffic, and it has clutchless shifting which is fun to play with if I want to pretend I'm "really" driving.
 
2013-01-29 05:51:46 PM  

thamike: What's the over/under for people who drive manual bright yellow Corvettes?


3 1/2 inches
 
2013-01-29 05:57:54 PM  
i.imgur.com

Well no wonder you're stalling out. You don't "tap" the accelerator, you press it harder at the same rate that you ease up on the clutch.
 
2013-01-29 05:59:40 PM  

Savage Bacon: Never understood why people are so fixated on manual and feeling "connected" to their car, as if this somehow creates a symbiotic relationship. I drive my car to get from point A to point B and feel in control of it the whole time. It's a tool, not a toy, but I suppose that this is where the difference lies. I don't use a car to feel like I'm in the land of race car ya-yas; the land where you can't change lanes; the land where large fuzzy dice hang proudly, like testicles, from rear-view mirrors.


Symbiotic, no. More control, yes. Also, a manual forces one to be more aware of their surroundings and what's going on. In regards to the A->B, I take it you've never driven a well engineered German car. I'm not talking about those Americanized jokes of the Passat and Jeftta VW is hawking these days either. I use to only feel like driving was a necessary burden until I got a GTI; then driving became enjoyable.

In a manual, which gear is more appropriate can be chosen and doesn't require going through each gear to get there (double-clutching and rev-matching will save those synchros and the clutch). When I drive there're many times where all I want to do is add a little more torque and it's not a problem, but in an automatic it decides it needs to down shift through one or two gears and increase the revs for no reason. Engine braking is really nice as well and generally isn't as efficient in an automatic.

One of my biggest frustrations with automatics is it can't always anticipate what I want especially when I'm trying to avoid an accident. In a manual, I'm leaps and bounds faster getting the car to do what I need in order to avoid some moron. I've had the automatic just go herpedy derpedy on me and the idiot running the red almost hit me. My wife's car is especially frustrating; it has a Tiptronic, regular automatic that one can set to a "manual mode". My biggest complaint is if I slap that lever three times in the time it would take me to go from 6th to 3rd in my manual, I expect it to downshift three gears; instead it will only downshift one gear and possibly two if the planets are properly aligned. I like the idea of a DSG transmission, but my concern is it would have the same userland problems as the tiptronic I have. If I say to downshift three, I expect it do it and do it within the time it would take me in a manual or faster.

I don't think I'll enjoy driving unless it's in a manual. Eventually it won't be feasible to daily drive an internal combustion engine car and so far it looks like a Tesla Model S could appease me. At my current pay, a house would be a better investment than one of those though.
 
2013-01-29 06:15:34 PM  

sunbyrne: The only configuration my car came in is 6-speed manual. That's how you know you've found the right car, they don't even mess with automatics.

/ 263 hp, 280 lb-ft torque, 3200 lbs
// zoom zoom


Mazdaspeed version of the Mazda 3? That's one of the cars on my short list :-)
 
2013-01-29 06:33:26 PM  

aaronius: Lsherm: aaronius: WhoGAS: The only reason I like stick shift (these days...racing when younger) is because if your battery dies, you only need a good hill or a strong push to get your car started again.

The lack of field current in the alternator to create the magnetism for electrical generation would beg to differ. Unless you're going old school with a permanent magnet generator...

It's been a long time, but I had a 1989 Ford Escort and we used to hill jump that farking thing all the time.  It had a short in one of the rear tailights so the battery would go dead all the time.

As long as there is some degree of charge in the battery, you're golden. But if the battery is flat dead, you won't get any output from the alternator. There are no permanent magnets in modern alternators (those built after the 1960s or so), so all the magnetism is created from current passing through a set of windings known as the stator.

I'm gonna stop there before I go into a whole lecture about how alternators work.


I guess I never really thought about it, but I thought the field current to the rotor was provided by the battery UNTIL the alternator was spinning fast enough to take over.  Like this guys explanation:

http://alternatorparts.com/understanding_alternators.htm

I mean, presumably you wouldn't be able to get it spinning that fast in practice, but if you had the world's longest hill, shouldn't it still be possible?  Just wondering.
 
2013-01-29 06:34:39 PM  

Savage Bacon: Never understood why people are so fixated on manual and feeling "connected" to their car, as if this somehow creates a symbiotic relationship. I drive my car to get from point A to point B and feel in control of it the whole time. It's a tool, not a toy, but I suppose that this is where the difference lies. I don't use a car to feel like I'm in the land of race car ya-yas; the land where you can't change lanes; the land where large fuzzy dice hang proudly, like testicles, from rear-view mirrors.


Congratulations, you drive an appliance.
 
2013-01-29 06:36:43 PM  

you have pee hands: OgreMagi: Miatas are great little cars. I'm on my second one. I convinced a friend that a Miata is the best possible choice for his teenage daughter (with the addition of a roll-bar). It's not actually a fast car, though it is nimble. It only seats two! The intelligence of teenagers is inversly proportional to the quantity of teenagers, so when in a car you want to keep their number to a minimum. Used Miatas in good shape are readily available and reasonably priced. Finally, despite the limitations, getting her a Miata makes you "the coolest dad EVAH!" At least for the next hour or so. Teens are fickle and have a short memory.

Miatas are so low they're easy to lose in blind spots, though. I see right over the top of them driving an RSX.


Air horns help, I've had several close calls. I'm on my third NA. The first two were totalled-- first one was NOT my fault-- rear-ended at high speed by a college kid; the second one I had the sun in my eyes and was t-boned. Walked away from both unscathed. My current NA is nicknamed "Charm." o.O

/I do need to get a roll-bar
 
2013-01-29 06:41:13 PM  
ItchyBrother: sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2013-01-29 06:41:22 PM  

sunbyrne: The only configuration my car came in is 6-speed manual. That's how you know you've found the right car, they don't even mess with automatics.

/ 263 hp, 280 lb-ft torque, 3200 lbs
// zoom zoom


I resemble this remark.

/ 240 hp, 153 lb-ft torque, 2800lbs
// the power of dreams
/// Slashies come in 3s
 
2013-01-29 06:46:33 PM  

Frozboz: SpiderQueenDemon: If anyone has time for a 'Cool Story, Sis' about stupid car mods, you can keep reading. If not, just scroll down to the next comment.

Living in Brooklyn in the mid-90s my roommate had his mid-80s Accord broken into seven times one summer. Smashed that little oddly-shaped window each time, and opened the doors from there. Very polite, as this window was the cheapest to replace. The final time it was broken into, there was nothing left to steal - the radio was long gone, the glovebox was open (showing nothing inside), even the rear seat folded down to show nothing in the trunk. So, the thieves took a Kleenex box, dumped the tissues, and (we suppose) used it to carry the cassette tapes from the next car ahead, which was smashed and had its stuff stolen.

Good times. I had a late 80s Sentra a few years later. It was hit a few times, but with a detachable-case radio and the 6-disc changer stealthily mounted under the seat, they never got much. The first time, in the winter, they broke that same small triangle-shaped window, and rolled down the driver-side main window all the way. I thought it was smashed (glass on the ground, everywhere), so I drove to the window guy in sub-freezing weather with the window simply down. When I got there, they rolled it up and all had a good laugh at my expense.

/end CSB


Holy shiat, I'd have moved after second or third break-in!

A buddy of mine used to live in San Francisco. He drove an old Miata and would leave the top down and the empty glove box open so no one would:

A. break in and rummage through his glove box
B. slash his roof because there was nothing to steal in the car

For some reason, no one ever stole the stock radio/cassette deck. I guess even crackheads have standards.
 
2013-01-29 06:47:48 PM  

Lsherm: aaronius: Lsherm: aaronius: WhoGAS: The only reason I like stick shift (these days...racing when younger) is because if your battery dies, you only need a good hill or a strong push to get your car started again.

The lack of field current in the alternator to create the magnetism for electrical generation would beg to differ. Unless you're going old school with a permanent magnet generator...

It's been a long time, but I had a 1989 Ford Escort and we used to hill jump that farking thing all the time.  It had a short in one of the rear tailights so the battery would go dead all the time.

As long as there is some degree of charge in the battery, you're golden. But if the battery is flat dead, you won't get any output from the alternator. There are no permanent magnets in modern alternators (those built after the 1960s or so), so all the magnetism is created from current passing through a set of windings known as the stator.

I'm gonna stop there before I go into a whole lecture about how alternators work.

I guess I never really thought about it, but I thought the field current to the rotor was provided by the battery UNTIL the alternator was spinning fast enough to take over.  Like this guys explanation:

http://alternatorparts.com/understanding_alternators.htm

I mean, presumably you wouldn't be able to get it spinning that fast in practice, but if you had the world's longest hill, shouldn't it still be possible?  Just wondering.


Yeah, that sounds about right. Keep in mind also that the relative sizes of the pulleys mean that the alternator is going to spin around 2x faster than the crank. But typically speaking, there will be no appreciable output from the alternator until the engine hits 6-700 RPM, numbers courtesy of 15 year memory. (and yes, I realize that in my Boobies I swapped the rotor and stator)

All I was saying is that there needs to be some source of initial current before the alternator will make its own juice.
 
2013-01-29 06:48:43 PM  
71 VW manual bug. Even of they could start it the little tards probably would not be able to find reverse
 
2013-01-29 06:56:25 PM  

KidneyStone: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

THREE ON THE TREE!


Was hoping to see that reference. My first car was a '68 Falcon w/ 3 on the tree. Was a challenge to drive around San Francisco and in city traffic in general, but it was a pretty reliable car overall.
 
2013-01-29 07:02:38 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: Cheron: I had a CRX when I was dating. Can't think of any thing I didn't do in that car that I've done since.

I, also, had a series of CRXes! First my college boyfriend and I had our first-gen '87, then an '89, then an '86 after the first two rusted out. And yes, those are excellent dating cars. The seats go so far back and recline so close to flat, provided you've kept up your yoga and are of relatively light build, you can do as you please in them.

In fact, said college boyfriend proposed in the '87. We've been happily married for some time and are only now thinking of handing down our engine-swapped Acura Integra coupe (which is the closest thing to a CRX we could get after Cash For Clunkers gutted the market,) in favor of something built in the past ten years.

Any suggestions?


I had an '85 CRX HF (manual transmission, of course) and loved it. Ton of fun to drive, great on gas and you could park it anywhere. Haven't seen many of them in Texas (the huge trucks and SUVs around here are no match for a CRX in an accident), but I saw loads of 80s-era CRXs in Washington state north of Seattle. You might try looking through ads from around there.
 
2013-01-29 07:05:28 PM  
Electric emergency brake makes no sense to me

www.bmwblog.com

In an emergency I want to pull directly on a cable attached to the brake calipers, not rely on the electrical system
 
2013-01-29 07:06:05 PM  

Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.


For cars made before 2005 I agree BUT with tiptronic type transmissions or double shift gearbox etc many higher end cars (and soon most cars) actually can 'shift' more precise, faster and accurate than even the Aryton Senna.
 
2013-01-29 07:07:12 PM  
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KidneyStone: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

THREE ON THE TREE!

"'68 Ford Fairlane two door, blue, with a black vinyl top, three-speed on the tree, and an FM radio in it."
 
2013-01-29 07:09:26 PM  

tricycleracer: grinding_journalist: The "cash for clunkers" debacle all but killed the market for not-beat-to-shiat older, cheap, somewhat reliable cars. The only cars I find in my area that might fit his qualifications all have some sort of serious mechanical defect that would require work before the car was legal to drive or title, or are deathtrappy enough that he probably doesn't want one for his kid.

Go used car shopping in Florida.  No road salt and below-average incomes create plenty of cheap used cars in good condition.


Cheap, yes. But you're wrong about the salt-free cars. There is plenty of salt in Florida. Be careful of cars from coastal cities (and there are a lot of those)--the salt is in the air. Have family in Destin and Fort Walton and their cars get rusty pretty quickly, especially around the windows and trim. Inland you're probably okay, but be careful and really check any Florida cars out before you buy.
 
2013-01-29 07:17:54 PM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: tricycleracer: grinding_journalist: Go used car shopping in Florida.  No road salt and below-average incomes create plenty of cheap used cars in good condition.

Cheap, yes. But you're wrong about the salt-free cars. There is plenty of salt in Florida. Be careful of cars from coastal cities (and there are a lot of those)--the salt is in the air. Have family in Destin and Fort Walton and their cars get rusty pretty quickly, especially around the windows and trim. Inland you're probably okay, but be careful and really check any Florida cars out before you buy.


You want to buy in New Mexico. The only things that kill cars out there are hot sun and drunk drivers.
 
2013-01-29 07:18:09 PM  

amquelbettamin: Electric emergency brake makes no sense to me

[www.bmwblog.com image 300x199]

In an emergency I want to pull directly on a cable attached to the brake calipers, not rely on the electrical system


It's not an emergency brake anymore, it's a parking brake. You don't want to lock up your rear brakes in an emergency stop you want the ABS to do its job. I guess if your brake system fails completely you'd want a secondary brake but I'm not sure that's the intent these days.

/still agree that a button brake is weird.
 
2013-01-29 07:20:36 PM  

antidumbass: Stick shifts are better for all the other drivers on the road because you can't use a cell phone or eat a taco whilst driving.
/2 cents


You can if you're good
 
2013-01-29 07:22:11 PM  

Gig103: amquelbettamin: Electric emergency brake makes no sense to me

[www.bmwblog.com image 300x199]

In an emergency I want to pull directly on a cable attached to the brake calipers, not rely on the electrical system

It's not an emergency brake anymore, it's a parking brake. You don't want to lock up your rear brakes in an emergency stop you want the ABS to do its job. I guess if your brake system fails completely you'd want a secondary brake but I'm not sure that's the intent these days.

/still agree that a button brake is weird.


But if your brake fluid leaks, boils, or has air in the line ABS does nothing. You need to pull on the cable to squeeze the calipers. Maybe I'm just showing my age by calling an emergency brake..
 
2013-01-29 07:26:38 PM  
I grew up driving manuals. Recently, after eight or so years of driving automatics, I drove my brother's new WRX. That was a lot of fun. Won't be buying one though, I would be dead or broke from speeding tickets within a month.
 
2013-01-29 07:37:07 PM  
my 3c...

i love driving my manual (2000 tacoma), especially on twisty turny roads through the hills. Whenever i get someone tailing me in the dark, i turn off my brights, gun it into a turn and throw her into 2, then watch the nose of the person's car behind me slam towards the pavement braking when they don't notice how sharp the turn is.

although, driving in bay area traffic kinda sucks and the steep hills in SF a bit unnerving at times...other than that, manuals rock.

what tends to throw me off is ifi drive my parents BMW which has the steptronic (clutchless) shifting. i've definitely smashed the brake to the ground instinctively thinking i'm pushing in the clutch. i tend not to drive that car anymore.
 
2013-01-29 07:40:44 PM  
Ok, having come home from work and perusing the thread, I have a question.

I'm a woman, who grew up driving stick shifts on everything. I'm very comfortable with any manual transmission, in any configuration, from cars to trucks to larger trucks to tractor trailers. I raced the quarter/king of the hill in my own car that I rebuilt from burned out frame up (seriously, I bought a burned out hulk of a 67 camaro when I was 14 so I could have it road ready by the time I could legally drive). And I won about as much as I lost.

I drive an automatic now. I choose to. Why does this make me less of a capable driver?
 
Ehh
2013-01-29 07:49:24 PM  
I searched a while for my manual transmission truck and am glad I did. Manuals are better except in stop-and-go traffic. I know how to double-clutch and used heel-and-toe last night when parking on a hill. I used to live on a hill and would bump-start as needed or just 'cuz.

/My lawn, get off it
/Stupid car salespeople who say I don't need or want a manual are stupid
 
2013-01-29 07:50:18 PM  

thisone: Press that, pull up on the "handle", and you should now have a key

sandwich in one hand, and the fob a farkin' head in the other.


/Bill PARKER
 
2013-01-29 07:53:43 PM  

Ehh: I searched a while for my manual transmission truck and am glad I did. Manuals are better except in stop-and-go traffic. I know how to double-clutch and used heel-and-toe last night when parking on a hill. I used to live on a hill and would bump-start as needed or just 'cuz.

/My lawn, get off it
/Stupid car salespeople who say I don't need or want a manual are stupid


i went through the same thing after owning a Jeep (which i dont recommend buying, ever).

what did you end up with, out of curiosity?
 
2013-01-29 07:59:34 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Ok, having come home from work and perusing the thread, I have a question.

I'm a woman, who grew up driving stick shifts on everything. I'm very comfortable with any manual transmission, in any configuration, from cars to trucks to larger trucks to tractor trailers. I raced the quarter/king of the hill in my own car that I rebuilt from burned out frame up (seriously, I bought a burned out hulk of a 67 camaro when I was 14 so I could have it road ready by the time I could legally drive). And I won about as much as I lost.

I drive an automatic now. I choose to. Why does this make me less of a capable driver?


Because you're a woman?
 
2013-01-29 07:59:56 PM  

JayCab: fozziewazzi: amundb: I am starting to get pissed at the people behind me at long lights who beep at me. I like to put the car into neutral and take my foot off the clutch while waiting. As soon as that light turns green, people do not understand the extra 0.00000554 second delay it takes me to put my car into first and start beeping at me right away. Sorry I ruined you day because I don't drive a crappy automatic.

Whenever I get to even the slightest incline at a red light I put the Jeep into neutral and let it drift backwards for a foot or so. It's amazing how quickly people behind me snap to attention and back off.

Gawds, I hate those people... and driving frequently in San Francisco means lots of hills that I have to get into gear on. At least people seem used to that problem there and don't tend to tailgate too badly, but the tourists are obvious since they get right on your bumper.

My BIGGEST issue, though, are the people that will lay on your horns because you DARE to wait at a crosswalk before making a right turn because there's a pedestrian crossing in front of you. I just don't know if those people expect me to run the walker over or what...

/end rant
//half of them are taxi drivers


alltim: [25.media.tumblr.com image 464x275]KidneyStone: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

THREE ON THE TREE!
"'68 Ford Fairlane two door, blue, with a black vinyl top, three-speed on the tree, and an FM radio in it."


uh oh. Better call the motor league.
 
2013-01-29 08:01:04 PM  
manual IS more fun that auto... i haven't touched my auto recently except for a few occasions:

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few occasions being rain or grocery shopping..
 
2013-01-29 08:01:53 PM  

IrieTom: ItchyBrother:

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Making people who were convicted of DUI drive a car with a shift pattern like that would eliminate the need for a breath-test interlock, no?
 
2013-01-29 08:04:43 PM  

amquelbettamin: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Ok, having come home from work and perusing the thread, I have a question.

I'm a woman, who grew up driving stick shifts on everything. I'm very comfortable with any manual transmission, in any configuration, from cars to trucks to larger trucks to tractor trailers. I raced the quarter/king of the hill in my own car that I rebuilt from burned out frame up (seriously, I bought a burned out hulk of a 67 camaro when I was 14 so I could have it road ready by the time I could legally drive). And I won about as much as I lost.

I drive an automatic now. I choose to. Why does this make me less of a capable driver?

Because you're a woman?


ok, you go with that bunkie. It lets you sleep at night.
 
2013-01-29 08:04:53 PM  

amquelbettamin: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Ok, having come home from work and perusing the thread, I have a question.

I'm a woman, who grew up driving stick shifts on everything. I'm very comfortable with any manual transmission, in any configuration, from cars to trucks to larger trucks to tractor trailers. I raced the quarter/king of the hill in my own car that I rebuilt from burned out frame up (seriously, I bought a burned out hulk of a 67 camaro when I was 14 so I could have it road ready by the time I could legally drive). And I won about as much as I lost.

I drive an automatic now. I choose to. Why does this make me less of a capable driver?

Because you're a woman?



Well she walked right into that one, didn't she?
 
2013-01-29 08:07:22 PM  

Man On Pink Corner: Yeah, like Walter Roehrl.


Yea, and the engines in the Ford Fusion NASCAR are functionally the same as in the Ford Fusion production car because, hey, they're both engines, right?

You ever driven a dual clutch in a Focus or Fiat? They're shiat. Utter shiat.
 
2013-01-29 08:10:50 PM  

gunther_bumpass: amquelbettamin: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Ok, having come home from work and perusing the thread, I have a question.

I'm a woman, who grew up driving stick shifts on everything. I'm very comfortable with any manual transmission, in any configuration, from cars to trucks to larger trucks to tractor trailers. I raced the quarter/king of the hill in my own car that I rebuilt from burned out frame up (seriously, I bought a burned out hulk of a 67 camaro when I was 14 so I could have it road ready by the time I could legally drive). And I won about as much as I lost.

I drive an automatic now. I choose to. Why does this make me less of a capable driver?

Because you're a woman?


Well she walked right into that one, didn't she?


yeah, I really should have expected that one. This is FARK, after all. :)

Been driving legally for 36 years, about 38 years total. No tickets, 2 accidents. First accident I was rear ended while legally stopped at a stoplight, second I rolled my truck, that's how they found my brain tumor. Passing out at 65 mph does have consequences. :) I've driven through blizzards in the mountains of Colorado, tornadoes in Missouri, and just every day "other people are stupid" stuff. I'm okay with people saying I can't drive because I'm a woman.
 
2013-01-29 08:15:06 PM  

Fubegra: mongbiohazard: Now for all other times, or driving somewhere without much traffic, manual is definitely the way to go. Better mileage, more power, more connection with/control of the car... They're just annoying to drive in heavy traffic.

On those rare occasions when I have to deal with Chicago rush-hour traffic (which means any time from 6AM to 10PM) I've found the best way to cope with it is to keep a cushion of space in front and keep my steady speed as close to average traffic speed as possible. I don't worry about somebody pulling into the space in front of me, because I'm not going to get there faster by riding someone else's back bumper. Let the others speed up and jam on the brakes over and over. More often than not, I'll catch right up to the driver in front just as he's starting his next speed-up/slow-down cycle.

It saves me a lot of wear and tear on the car, and a lot less stress on me.



I know exactly what you mean. Here in DC I do the same thing sometimes (mostly if I'm up around Baltimore that day), but that only helps so much and you can only do that sometimes. DC traffic can be ridiculously bad. Sometimes traffic just isn't moving fast enough.

Without any traffic my commute to work would take at absolute most about 35 minutes, door to door. With traffic you're talking 1.5 to 3 hours. An hour and 20 minutes bare minimum on your best day. Most days is somewhere north of an hour and a half, and almost every minute of that extra time is in the same around 5 - 7 miles of that trip - the rest of the trip I'm able to go regular speed.
 
2013-01-29 08:18:17 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: I'm okay with people saying I can't drive because I'm a woman.



Well, by golly you shouldn't be!
 
2013-01-29 08:21:10 PM  

Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.


BMW's 8 speed auto begs to differ, more fuel efficient than a manual and faster shifts than any human could make. There's a reason they don't use manuals if F1 despite having the best drivers in the world =)
 
2013-01-29 08:24:40 PM  

kosherkow: i've definitely smashed the brake to the ground instinctively thinking i'm pushing in the clutch.


Been there, done that in rental and loaner cars. Pisses off the wife to no end.

ItchyBrother: Making people who were convicted of DUI drive a car with a shift pattern like that would eliminate the need for a breath-test interlock, no?


Used to drive my buddy's 96 all over the place. It's just like a regular 4-speed but sideways. Never had a problem..... holding a beer between my legs, hitting off of the bong, smoking a cigarette, eating BeerNuts, and taking an occasional pull from the whiskey bottle. I miss the '70's.
 
2013-01-29 08:26:32 PM  

alltim: [25.media.tumblr.com image 464x275]KidneyStone: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

THREE ON THE TREE!
"'68 Ford Fairlane two door, blue, with a black vinyl top, three-speed on the tree, and an FM radio in it."


Mine was a '66. Blue and white. One day, driving the girlfriend home from the hospital where the docs had her jaw wired shut after I fell asleep driving home from a Whiny Houston concert I didn't want to go to, and slammed into a brick wall in the Toyota, I forgot the brake pedal was wider than the clutch and on the off ramp, slammed my foot down on the brake, and her broken nose bounced off the cold rolled steel dashboard, and I had to bite my tongue to keep from laughing.... good times.
She's still missing teeth from that night. And I don't miss a wink of sleep over it.
She didn't understand when I took her tampons to make a make-shift oil filter for the 59 ford truck with the glass carb float that you needed an off-set 90o angle phillips head to remove.
Fark her and her crack den pals.
I still drive cutting edge vintage and she's pushing a shopping cart with crack babbys in tow.

I miss my ol' '48 IH Travelall that I tricked out like a Puerto Rican Fark truck back in the '70s.
/adjusts onion.
//get out of my driveway.

///goes back in for the shotgun.
 
2013-01-29 08:27:32 PM  

Satan's Bunny Slippers: 'm okay with people saying I can't drive because I'm a woman.


You sound... skilled.
That's hot.
 
2013-01-29 08:30:08 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: You ever driven a dual clutch in a Focus or Fiat?


'69 Olds cutlass supreme with a 442 and a "his and hers" racing shift.
Hearst.
Mint-O-La.

Take the on ramps and melds into traffic like butta.
 
2013-01-29 08:38:36 PM  
ItchyBrother:Making people who were convicted of DUI drive a car with a shift pattern like that would eliminate the need for a breath-test interlock, no?

It felt quite natural when you already knew how it worked. It was really difficult to verbally describe how you needed to pull "out" (elongate) the gearshift lever before swinging it "up" (towards the steering wheel) and rotating it clockwise to engage reverse.

The fact that the key couldn't be removed unless the car was in reverse gear was a nifty mind-fark for the uninitiated.
 
2013-01-29 08:52:51 PM  

IrieTom: ItchyBrother:Making people who were convicted of DUI drive a car with a shift pattern like that would eliminate the need for a breath-test interlock, no?

It felt quite natural when you already knew how it worked. It was really difficult to verbally describe how you needed to pull "out" (elongate) the gearshift lever before swinging it "up" (towards the steering wheel) and rotating it clockwise to engage reverse.

The fact that the key couldn't be removed unless the car was in reverse gear was a nifty mind-fark for the uninitiated.


Down and right for the 56 VW reverse.
and flip the hidden start button for my 69 fiat spyder.
Oh, and the clutch on my 73 Triumph motorcycle? That pulled a pin on a hand grenade under the gas tank.

I'll miss that bike.

Not as much as the greaseball that tried to steal it.
 
2013-01-29 08:58:08 PM  
Too bad he didn't Zimmerman their asses.
 
2013-01-29 09:10:41 PM  
"Police tried searching for the men, but they took off."

That's some fine policework there, Lou.

Let me guess: they are asking the general public to "assist them in their enquiries."
 
2013-01-29 09:19:48 PM  

Savage Bacon: Never understood why people are so fixated on manual and feeling "connected" to their car, as if this somehow creates a symbiotic relationship. I drive my car to get from point A to point B and feel in control of it the whole time. It's a tool, not a toy, but I suppose that this is where the difference lies. I don't use a car to feel like I'm in the land of race car ya-yas; the land where you can't change lanes; the land where large fuzzy dice hang proudly, like testicles, from rear-view mirrors.


Have you ever ridden a horse?
 
2013-01-29 09:23:39 PM  

OgreMagi: NASAM: tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?

Miata isn't really an option. Rather him not have a two seater. But I can't tell you the last time I ran across a GTI.

No back seat is a good thing. Do you know what a teenage boy will want to do with a backseat?


You can fark in the front seat, I know I did as a teenage boy.
 
2013-01-29 09:29:59 PM  

robodog: Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.

BMW's 8 speed auto begs to differ, more fuel efficient than a manual and faster shifts than any human could make. There's a reason they don't use manuals if F1 despite having the best drivers in the world =)


they don't use H pattern manuals with driver controlled clutches in F1, but the transmissions aren't "automatic". They're manual transmissions where a computer has been utilized to operate the selector and clutch faster than a human could.

modern "automatics" are basically a manual transmission that's being controlled by a computer, because you're too slow and stupid to do it yourself. they're also really jerky at slow speeds... a traditional setup gives you better control from a stand still (like what you'd need in slick conditions)

basically, if it has a torque converter, it sucks.
 
2013-01-29 09:34:57 PM  

Fano: OgreMagi: NASAM: tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?

Miata isn't really an option. Rather him not have a two seater. But I can't tell you the last time I ran across a GTI.

No back seat is a good thing. Do you know what a teenage boy will want to do with a backseat?

You can fark in the front seat, I know I did as a teenage boy.


I know there is no way you are going to prevent teenagers from farking if they have their minds set on it. It's you against a million years of evolution. But let's not forget that the more teens you have in one place, the lower their collective IQ. No back seat means fewer idiots to suggest doing something stupid and probably dangerous.
 
2013-01-29 09:46:29 PM  

OgreMagi: Fano: OgreMagi: NASAM: tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?

Miata isn't really an option. Rather him not have a two seater. But I can't tell you the last time I ran across a GTI.

No back seat is a good thing. Do you know what a teenage boy will want to do with a backseat?

You can fark in the front seat, I know I did as a teenage boy.

I know there is no way you are going to prevent teenagers from farking if they have their minds set on it. It's you against a million years of evolution. But let's not forget that the more teens you have in one place, the lower their collective IQ. No back seat means fewer idiots to suggest doing something stupid and probably dangerous.


I will agree that a two seater reduces the potential for retardation that teens get in groups. But lord knows that I kept a beach blanket in the trunk of my car as a teen, you know, in case it might be needed...
 
2013-01-29 09:47:30 PM  
I'd really like to find a early to mid 2000's Volvo V70 with a manual transmission...
 
2013-01-29 10:01:59 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: /2nd car I owned was a 1990 VW Fox, another manual. Anyone ever drive a VW from this era where to put the car in reverse, you had to press the stick DOWN. and not down as in away from the windshield, down as in towards the ground, in the Z-axis. Those Germans are some crazy folks.


My 01 GTI is the same...

My old and much missed 1975 Triumph Spitfire you had to pull the gearshift UP to get Reverse
 
2013-01-29 11:00:11 PM  

Monster Kabasue: 71 VW manual bug. Even of they could start it the little tards probably would not be able to find reverse


I had a '71 Type 3 Squareback. It had all the power of a riding lawn mower but none of the style. Downhill and with the wind at your back you could make it all the way up to 57 mph.

I assume it was 57 mph. The speedometer didn't work. Neither did the windshield wipers, but I lived in the desert, so that wasn't a primary concern.

\I loved that car
 
2013-01-29 11:41:34 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: You ever driven a dual clutch in a Focus or Fiat? They're shiat. Utter shiat.


Try a PDK.
 
2013-01-30 12:04:12 AM  

IrieTom: ItchyBrother:Making people who were convicted of DUI drive a car with a shift pattern like that would eliminate the need for a breath-test interlock, no?

It felt quite natural when you already knew how it worked. It was really difficult to verbally describe how you needed to pull "out" (elongate) the gearshift lever before swinging it "up" (towards the steering wheel) and rotating it clockwise to engage reverse.

The fact that the key couldn't be removed unless the car was in reverse gear was a nifty mind-fark for the uninitiated.


Maybe it's just that I'm a grey beard, but column mounted stick shifts really don't seem very daunting at all. I'm sure in years past lots of drunks drove themselves home in cars thusly equipped...

I loved both 9-3s I owned in the early '00s. Of course, by then they were much more "normal" than old 92s, 96s, or GT750s. They did, however, retain the necessity to shift the manual gearbox into reverse in order to remove the key from the ignition. That, and the fact that the ignition was on the floor were two of the real Saab-ish features of these cars. I must say that the floor between the seats still seems like the most ergonomic place to locate the ignition switch.
 
2013-01-30 12:11:26 AM  

The_Original_Roxtar: robodog: Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.

BMW's 8 speed auto begs to differ, more fuel efficient than a manual and faster shifts than any human could make. There's a reason they don't use manuals if F1 despite having the best drivers in the world =)

they don't use H pattern manuals with driver controlled clutches in F1, but the transmissions aren't "automatic". They're manual transmissions where a computer has been utilized to operate the selector and clutch faster than a human could.

modern "automatics" are basically a manual transmission that's being controlled by a computer, because you're too slow and stupid to do it yourself. they're also really jerky at slow speeds... a traditional setup gives you better control from a stand still (like what you'd need in slick conditions)

basically, if it has a torque converter, it sucks.


Most modern automatics still have torque converters, and use planetary gear sets. The computer controlled clutch-and-layshaft boxes are getting more common, but they're nowhere near the majority. And nowadays, they're often purpose-built, not just a manual box with a bunch of plumbing bolted on. The BMW 8-speed is still a traditional slushbox. Their 7 speed DCT (like in the E9x M3) is a new school dual clutch deal - head and shoulders better than the SMG in the previous generation - you don't have to futz with the gas pedal for smooth shifts on the street. And it's totally lust-worthy on a track.
 
2013-01-30 12:21:35 AM  

rangercheese: I've always thought of the stereotypical Farker as someone who:

* drives a manual,
* drinks only microbrews, and
* runs Linux.

/1 out of 3
//long way to go to win the Fark Triple Crown


2.5 of 3 here - (I brew my own ;-) )
/ 6 speed
// Avg 43 Mpg over 60K miles.....
/// Eats a breakfast burrito (with coffee), shaves with a portable razor, and smokes a cigarette during AM commute
//// Told my girlfriend i had to forget her.... Gotta buy me a new carburetor!!!
 
2013-01-30 12:39:34 AM  

Rigban: sunbyrne: The only configuration my car came in is 6-speed manual. That's how you know you've found the right car, they don't even mess with automatics.

/ 263 hp, 280 lb-ft torque, 3200 lbs
// zoom zoom

Same here, a 2010 (w/ hood scoop goodness!)


2008.5 (yes, really) for me. Actually, I don't really like the hood scoop nor the silly grin that 3s have now. Wouldn't mind trying out the different gearing, though.

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Mazdaspeed version of the Mazda 3? That's one of the cars on my short list :-)


Yes, Speed 3. I had a lot of fun driving the stuff on my short list. Loved the Mini Cooper S, but just too impractical with two kids. The fact that they play gear-heavy sports (football and lacrosse) doesn't help. And holy crap does Mini nickel and dime you (more like dime and quarter) on options. The Subie WRX is a nice ride, too, except for the year they ruined it, which happened to be the year I was shopping. Love my Speed3, though, if I could go back and do it all over again I wouldn't change the decision at all.
 
2013-01-30 03:39:11 AM  

DaAlien: The_Original_Roxtar: robodog: Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.

BMW's 8 speed auto begs to differ, more fuel efficient than a manual and faster shifts than any human could make. There's a reason they don't use manuals if F1 despite having the best drivers in the world =)

they don't use H pattern manuals with driver controlled clutches in F1, but the transmissions aren't "automatic". They're manual transmissions where a computer has been utilized to operate the selector and clutch faster than a human could.

modern "automatics" are basically a manual transmission that's being controlled by a computer, because you're too slow and stupid to do it yourself. they're also really jerky at slow speeds... a traditional setup gives you better control from a stand still (like what you'd need in slick conditions)

basically, if it has a torque converter, it sucks.

Most modern automatics still have torque converters, and use planetary gear sets. The computer controlled clutch-and-layshaft boxes are getting more common, but they're nowhere near the majority. And nowadays, they're often purpose-built, not just a manual box with a bunch of plumbing bolted on. The BMW 8-speed is still a traditional slushbox. Their 7 speed DCT (like in the E9x M3) is a new school dual clutch deal - head and shoulders better than the SMG in the previous generation - you don't have to futz with the gas pedal for smooth shifts on the street. And it's totally lust-worthy on a track.


Yep, the 8 speed is a "traditional" automatic, which actually offers some advantages like non-sequential downshifts, the 8 can do 8-2 downshifts in 200ms versus the DSG 7 which takes 220ms per gear and must do 5 to go from 7-2, taking over a second in total. The torque converter is only engaged from 0 to 3 km/hour and it offers better launches according to the guy in charge of transmissions at BMW. Once the new 700 lb/ft version of the 8 is done testing it seems unlikely BMW will use DSG for anything but aesthetics.

One of the best things about the 8 for me is that it's not a BMW design and Chrysler has licensed it and is going to produce it in the US so it might make it into a car I can actually afford (3 series I could afford but BMW charges 80% to get the options I want so it's not practical and I'll be damned if I'm going to spend 3 series money and not get the car I want).
 
2013-01-30 04:13:30 AM  

robodog: One of the best things about the 8 for me is that it's not a BMW design and Chrysler has licensed it and is going to produce it in the US so it might make it into a car I can actually afford (3 series I could afford but BMW charges 80% to get the options I want so it's not practical and I'll be damned if I'm going to spend 3 series money and not get the car I want).


I'm sure Chrysler will figure out a way to completely fark it up.  It's what they do.
 
2013-01-30 07:16:19 AM  

The_Original_Roxtar: robodog: Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!


basically, if it has a torque converter, it sucks.


this!
 
2013-01-30 07:40:16 AM  

baka-san: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: /2nd car I owned was a 1990 VW Fox, another manual. Anyone ever drive a VW from this era where to put the car in reverse, you had to press the stick DOWN. and not down as in away from the windshield, down as in towards the ground, in the Z-axis. Those Germans are some crazy folks.

My 01 GTI is the same...

My old and much missed 1975 Triumph Spitfire you had to pull the gearshift UP to get Reverse


We are through the looking glass here people. Up is down, black is white, I just don't know what to think anymore.

/Dogs and cats living together!
//Mass Hysteria!!
 
2013-01-30 07:54:50 AM  

sunbyrne: The only configuration my car came in is 6-speed manual. That's how you know you've found the right car, they don't even mess with automatics.

/ 263 hp, 280 lb-ft torque, 3200 lbs
// zoom zoom


The Speed3 has way too much turbo lag. I'd rather have a WRX for that price. Same power, very minimal turbo lag, AWD, and the ear candy that is a Subie boxer engine.
 
2013-01-30 09:04:20 AM  

robodog: BMW's 8 speed auto begs to differ, more fuel efficient than a manual and faster shifts than any human could make.


i'm a dyed-in-the-wool manual driver and a BMW nerd. i recently test-drove the new 3 series that features that transmission, and i must say that it was excellent.

/still love my 6-speed, though.
 
2013-01-30 09:54:04 AM  

NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.


Saturn was making crappy little sticks for a while there, but I never really liked the feel of their clutch. If you can find an older one (like, pre-2002) that still works, those are the good ones. Anything after about 2005 has a really sloppy clutch and will probably fall apart around you.

Other than that, the later Fords, like a Fusion or Focus, had a pretty good reputation, especially when they were putting Mazda engines/trannys in them. I have a 2.3L 2006 Fusion with the five-speed that is still running like a top at 75,000 miles - never had a mechanical problem with it other than a dead battery that required a cheat code to get it running again.

I don't know what used Subarus are running these days, but they'll easily go several hundred thousand miles if you can find them.
 
2013-01-30 10:33:42 AM  

Rigban: sunbyrne: The only configuration my car came in is 6-speed manual. That's how you know you've found the right car, they don't even mess with automatics.

/ 263 hp, 280 lb-ft torque, 3200 lbs
// zoom zoom

Same here, a 2010 (w/ hood scoop goodness!)



2L, 260HP, 260lb/ft, 3300 lbs...room for 5 and groceries. I was actually looking at Speed-3's when I found my HHR
 
2013-01-30 11:29:47 AM  

NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.


Sounds like a miata!
 
2013-01-30 12:35:38 PM  

Fano:
I will agree that a two seater reduces the potential for retardation that teens get in groups. But lord knows that I kept a beach blanket in the trunk of my car as a teen,


where it remains to this day, in near perfect condition.
 
2013-01-30 12:56:04 PM  

gunther_bumpass: Satan's Bunny Slippers: I'm okay with people saying I can't drive because I'm a woman.


Well, by golly you shouldn't be!


She's comfortable enough in her femininity that she doesn't need to be bothered by cretins making old, old, OLD, beaten to death and then beaten into a smear on the ground jokes...


/but if she were Asian too... look out!
//Asian
///Get the hell out of my way, peoples!
////I love slashies
 
2013-01-30 01:20:20 PM  

lyanna96: gunther_bumpass: Satan's Bunny Slippers: I'm okay with people saying I can't drive because I'm a woman.


Well, by golly you shouldn't be!

She's comfortable enough in her femininity that she doesn't need to be bothered by cretins making old, old, OLD, beaten to death and then beaten into a smear on the ground jokes...


/but if she were Asian too... look out!
//Asian
///Get the hell out of my way, peoples!
////I love slashies



Oh, well ok. That makes sense. The real crime here is not being funny.
 
2013-01-30 03:07:50 PM  
They can't all be winners. :P
 
2013-01-30 03:11:05 PM  
www.imcdb.org

Was this the car in Heston, err, question?
 
2013-01-30 03:32:01 PM  
My dad used to pull this maneuver with one hand on the clutch, one hand fiddling with god-knows-what, and steering with his knees. He was good at it too.

/Still made my stomach seize up.
 
2013-01-30 04:13:16 PM  

lyanna96: They can't all be winners. :P


I didn't mean,.. uh. not YOU. but, me and that first guy.

NOT LIKE THAT, but. what he said I mean

/it's got to be YOUR bull.
 
2013-01-30 04:55:10 PM  

NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.


Have you considered (or would you consider) a K-Car? My brother had an 84 manual Dodge Aries 4-banger that got quite decent mpg. Only thing I ever remember him having to replace was the radiator hoses.
 
2013-01-30 05:15:42 PM  

semiotix: Wellon Dowd: Manual is better owing to the superior porn possibilities.

Finally, a compelling argument for the stick shift!

I really have no comeback for that. I guess you could grind against the emergency brake lever, if it's in the center, but... nah, stick is clearly pornier.

/well, that finally settles that


not safe for work
 
2013-01-30 06:04:05 PM  
Tigger: Fun Fact:

In the UK if you take your driving test in an automatic you get a special (emphasis on special) licence that allows you only to drive an automatic.


Back when I was like first getting my license the state of TN here in the US still did that, I have heard that they have since dropped that now that so few cars are manuals anymore.
 
2013-01-30 07:37:28 PM  
<b>capt.hollister:<i>
Maybe it's just that I'm a grey beard, but column mounted stick shifts really don't seem very daunting at all. I'm sure in years past lots of drunks drove themselves home in cars thusly equipped...
I loved both 9-3s I owned in the early '00s. Of course, by then they were much more "normal" than old 92s, 96s, or GT750s. They did, however, retain the necessity to shift the manual gearbox into reverse in order to remove the key from the ignition. That, and the fact that the ignition was on the floor were two of the real Saab-ish features of these cars. I must say that the floor between the seats still seems like the most ergonomic place to locate the ignition switch.
 </i></b>

The ignition on the 96 (I drove my parents' old '72 V4 as a new teenage driver in 1986) was on the steering column.  The primary reason the ignition moved to the floor in the 99/900 was that the gearshift lever moved to the floor, and SAAB had decided that they would rather keep the transmission locked in reverse than use a conventional steering lock.  The SAAB 9000 had its ignition on the dash next to the steering column where you would never be able to hit it with your knee in an accident.

My '05 9-2x Aero has its ignition on the column, because it's really an Impreza.
 
2013-01-30 08:44:03 PM  

IrieTom: <b>capt.hollister:<i>
Maybe it's just that I'm a grey beard, but column mounted stick shifts really don't seem very daunting at all. I'm sure in years past lots of drunks drove themselves home in cars thusly equipped...
I loved both 9-3s I owned in the early '00s. Of course, by then they were much more "normal" than old 92s, 96s, or GT750s. They did, however, retain the necessity to shift the manual gearbox into reverse in order to remove the key from the ignition. That, and the fact that the ignition was on the floor were two of the real Saab-ish features of these cars. I must say that the floor between the seats still seems like the most ergonomic place to locate the ignition switch.
 </i></b>

The ignition on the 96 (I drove my parents' old '72 V4 as a new teenage driver in 1986) was on the steering column.  The primary reason the ignition moved to the floor in the 99/900 was that the gearshift lever moved to the floor, and SAAB had decided that they would rather keep the transmission locked in reverse than use a conventional steering lock.  The SAAB 9000 had its ignition on the dash next to the steering column where you would never be able to hit it with your knee in an accident.

My '05 9-2x Aero has its ignition on the column, because it's really an Impreza.


I did not know that about the 9000. So what was the rationale for keeping it on the floor in the subsequent 9-3 and 9-5 ?. Mind you, it was located in such a way that it was very unlikely that you would ever hit it in an accident.

Yeah the 9-2x aka the Saabaru, although IIRC road tests of the day pronounced the best version of the Impreza then available.
 
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