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2013-01-29 07:18:09 PM

amquelbettamin: Electric emergency brake makes no sense to me

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In an emergency I want to pull directly on a cable attached to the brake calipers, not rely on the electrical system


It's not an emergency brake anymore, it's a parking brake. You don't want to lock up your rear brakes in an emergency stop you want the ABS to do its job. I guess if your brake system fails completely you'd want a secondary brake but I'm not sure that's the intent these days.

/still agree that a button brake is weird.
 
2013-01-29 07:20:36 PM

antidumbass: Stick shifts are better for all the other drivers on the road because you can't use a cell phone or eat a taco whilst driving.
/2 cents


You can if you're good
 
2013-01-29 07:22:11 PM

Gig103: amquelbettamin: Electric emergency brake makes no sense to me

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In an emergency I want to pull directly on a cable attached to the brake calipers, not rely on the electrical system

It's not an emergency brake anymore, it's a parking brake. You don't want to lock up your rear brakes in an emergency stop you want the ABS to do its job. I guess if your brake system fails completely you'd want a secondary brake but I'm not sure that's the intent these days.

/still agree that a button brake is weird.


But if your brake fluid leaks, boils, or has air in the line ABS does nothing. You need to pull on the cable to squeeze the calipers. Maybe I'm just showing my age by calling an emergency brake..
 
2013-01-29 07:26:38 PM
I grew up driving manuals. Recently, after eight or so years of driving automatics, I drove my brother's new WRX. That was a lot of fun. Won't be buying one though, I would be dead or broke from speeding tickets within a month.
 
2013-01-29 07:37:07 PM
my 3c...

i love driving my manual (2000 tacoma), especially on twisty turny roads through the hills. Whenever i get someone tailing me in the dark, i turn off my brights, gun it into a turn and throw her into 2, then watch the nose of the person's car behind me slam towards the pavement braking when they don't notice how sharp the turn is.

although, driving in bay area traffic kinda sucks and the steep hills in SF a bit unnerving at times...other than that, manuals rock.

what tends to throw me off is ifi drive my parents BMW which has the steptronic (clutchless) shifting. i've definitely smashed the brake to the ground instinctively thinking i'm pushing in the clutch. i tend not to drive that car anymore.
 
2013-01-29 07:40:44 PM
Ok, having come home from work and perusing the thread, I have a question.

I'm a woman, who grew up driving stick shifts on everything. I'm very comfortable with any manual transmission, in any configuration, from cars to trucks to larger trucks to tractor trailers. I raced the quarter/king of the hill in my own car that I rebuilt from burned out frame up (seriously, I bought a burned out hulk of a 67 camaro when I was 14 so I could have it road ready by the time I could legally drive). And I won about as much as I lost.

I drive an automatic now. I choose to. Why does this make me less of a capable driver?
 
Ehh
2013-01-29 07:49:24 PM
I searched a while for my manual transmission truck and am glad I did. Manuals are better except in stop-and-go traffic. I know how to double-clutch and used heel-and-toe last night when parking on a hill. I used to live on a hill and would bump-start as needed or just 'cuz.

/My lawn, get off it
/Stupid car salespeople who say I don't need or want a manual are stupid
 
2013-01-29 07:50:18 PM

thisone: Press that, pull up on the "handle", and you should now have a key

sandwich in one hand, and the fob a farkin' head in the other.


/Bill PARKER
 
2013-01-29 07:53:43 PM

Ehh: I searched a while for my manual transmission truck and am glad I did. Manuals are better except in stop-and-go traffic. I know how to double-clutch and used heel-and-toe last night when parking on a hill. I used to live on a hill and would bump-start as needed or just 'cuz.

/My lawn, get off it
/Stupid car salespeople who say I don't need or want a manual are stupid


i went through the same thing after owning a Jeep (which i dont recommend buying, ever).

what did you end up with, out of curiosity?
 
2013-01-29 07:59:34 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: Ok, having come home from work and perusing the thread, I have a question.

I'm a woman, who grew up driving stick shifts on everything. I'm very comfortable with any manual transmission, in any configuration, from cars to trucks to larger trucks to tractor trailers. I raced the quarter/king of the hill in my own car that I rebuilt from burned out frame up (seriously, I bought a burned out hulk of a 67 camaro when I was 14 so I could have it road ready by the time I could legally drive). And I won about as much as I lost.

I drive an automatic now. I choose to. Why does this make me less of a capable driver?


Because you're a woman?
 
2013-01-29 07:59:56 PM

JayCab: fozziewazzi: amundb: I am starting to get pissed at the people behind me at long lights who beep at me. I like to put the car into neutral and take my foot off the clutch while waiting. As soon as that light turns green, people do not understand the extra 0.00000554 second delay it takes me to put my car into first and start beeping at me right away. Sorry I ruined you day because I don't drive a crappy automatic.

Whenever I get to even the slightest incline at a red light I put the Jeep into neutral and let it drift backwards for a foot or so. It's amazing how quickly people behind me snap to attention and back off.

Gawds, I hate those people... and driving frequently in San Francisco means lots of hills that I have to get into gear on. At least people seem used to that problem there and don't tend to tailgate too badly, but the tourists are obvious since they get right on your bumper.

My BIGGEST issue, though, are the people that will lay on your horns because you DARE to wait at a crosswalk before making a right turn because there's a pedestrian crossing in front of you. I just don't know if those people expect me to run the walker over or what...

/end rant
//half of them are taxi drivers


alltim: [25.media.tumblr.com image 464x275]KidneyStone: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

THREE ON THE TREE!
"'68 Ford Fairlane two door, blue, with a black vinyl top, three-speed on the tree, and an FM radio in it."


uh oh. Better call the motor league.
 
2013-01-29 08:01:04 PM
manual IS more fun that auto... i haven't touched my auto recently except for a few occasions:

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few occasions being rain or grocery shopping..
 
2013-01-29 08:01:53 PM

IrieTom: ItchyBrother:

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Making people who were convicted of DUI drive a car with a shift pattern like that would eliminate the need for a breath-test interlock, no?
 
2013-01-29 08:04:43 PM

amquelbettamin: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Ok, having come home from work and perusing the thread, I have a question.

I'm a woman, who grew up driving stick shifts on everything. I'm very comfortable with any manual transmission, in any configuration, from cars to trucks to larger trucks to tractor trailers. I raced the quarter/king of the hill in my own car that I rebuilt from burned out frame up (seriously, I bought a burned out hulk of a 67 camaro when I was 14 so I could have it road ready by the time I could legally drive). And I won about as much as I lost.

I drive an automatic now. I choose to. Why does this make me less of a capable driver?

Because you're a woman?


ok, you go with that bunkie. It lets you sleep at night.
 
2013-01-29 08:04:53 PM

amquelbettamin: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Ok, having come home from work and perusing the thread, I have a question.

I'm a woman, who grew up driving stick shifts on everything. I'm very comfortable with any manual transmission, in any configuration, from cars to trucks to larger trucks to tractor trailers. I raced the quarter/king of the hill in my own car that I rebuilt from burned out frame up (seriously, I bought a burned out hulk of a 67 camaro when I was 14 so I could have it road ready by the time I could legally drive). And I won about as much as I lost.

I drive an automatic now. I choose to. Why does this make me less of a capable driver?

Because you're a woman?



Well she walked right into that one, didn't she?
 
2013-01-29 08:07:22 PM

Man On Pink Corner: Yeah, like Walter Roehrl.


Yea, and the engines in the Ford Fusion NASCAR are functionally the same as in the Ford Fusion production car because, hey, they're both engines, right?

You ever driven a dual clutch in a Focus or Fiat? They're shiat. Utter shiat.
 
2013-01-29 08:10:50 PM

gunther_bumpass: amquelbettamin: Satan's Bunny Slippers: Ok, having come home from work and perusing the thread, I have a question.

I'm a woman, who grew up driving stick shifts on everything. I'm very comfortable with any manual transmission, in any configuration, from cars to trucks to larger trucks to tractor trailers. I raced the quarter/king of the hill in my own car that I rebuilt from burned out frame up (seriously, I bought a burned out hulk of a 67 camaro when I was 14 so I could have it road ready by the time I could legally drive). And I won about as much as I lost.

I drive an automatic now. I choose to. Why does this make me less of a capable driver?

Because you're a woman?


Well she walked right into that one, didn't she?


yeah, I really should have expected that one. This is FARK, after all. :)

Been driving legally for 36 years, about 38 years total. No tickets, 2 accidents. First accident I was rear ended while legally stopped at a stoplight, second I rolled my truck, that's how they found my brain tumor. Passing out at 65 mph does have consequences. :) I've driven through blizzards in the mountains of Colorado, tornadoes in Missouri, and just every day "other people are stupid" stuff. I'm okay with people saying I can't drive because I'm a woman.
 
2013-01-29 08:15:06 PM

Fubegra: mongbiohazard: Now for all other times, or driving somewhere without much traffic, manual is definitely the way to go. Better mileage, more power, more connection with/control of the car... They're just annoying to drive in heavy traffic.

On those rare occasions when I have to deal with Chicago rush-hour traffic (which means any time from 6AM to 10PM) I've found the best way to cope with it is to keep a cushion of space in front and keep my steady speed as close to average traffic speed as possible. I don't worry about somebody pulling into the space in front of me, because I'm not going to get there faster by riding someone else's back bumper. Let the others speed up and jam on the brakes over and over. More often than not, I'll catch right up to the driver in front just as he's starting his next speed-up/slow-down cycle.

It saves me a lot of wear and tear on the car, and a lot less stress on me.



I know exactly what you mean. Here in DC I do the same thing sometimes (mostly if I'm up around Baltimore that day), but that only helps so much and you can only do that sometimes. DC traffic can be ridiculously bad. Sometimes traffic just isn't moving fast enough.

Without any traffic my commute to work would take at absolute most about 35 minutes, door to door. With traffic you're talking 1.5 to 3 hours. An hour and 20 minutes bare minimum on your best day. Most days is somewhere north of an hour and a half, and almost every minute of that extra time is in the same around 5 - 7 miles of that trip - the rest of the trip I'm able to go regular speed.
 
2013-01-29 08:18:17 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: I'm okay with people saying I can't drive because I'm a woman.



Well, by golly you shouldn't be!
 
2013-01-29 08:21:10 PM

Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.


BMW's 8 speed auto begs to differ, more fuel efficient than a manual and faster shifts than any human could make. There's a reason they don't use manuals if F1 despite having the best drivers in the world =)
 
2013-01-29 08:24:40 PM

kosherkow: i've definitely smashed the brake to the ground instinctively thinking i'm pushing in the clutch.


Been there, done that in rental and loaner cars. Pisses off the wife to no end.

ItchyBrother: Making people who were convicted of DUI drive a car with a shift pattern like that would eliminate the need for a breath-test interlock, no?


Used to drive my buddy's 96 all over the place. It's just like a regular 4-speed but sideways. Never had a problem..... holding a beer between my legs, hitting off of the bong, smoking a cigarette, eating BeerNuts, and taking an occasional pull from the whiskey bottle. I miss the '70's.
 
2013-01-29 08:26:32 PM

alltim: [25.media.tumblr.com image 464x275]KidneyStone: dahmers love zombie: I wonder if I could get a car outfitted with a 3-speed column shifter.  I could leave the keys in it all the time with zero worry.

THREE ON THE TREE!
"'68 Ford Fairlane two door, blue, with a black vinyl top, three-speed on the tree, and an FM radio in it."


Mine was a '66. Blue and white. One day, driving the girlfriend home from the hospital where the docs had her jaw wired shut after I fell asleep driving home from a Whiny Houston concert I didn't want to go to, and slammed into a brick wall in the Toyota, I forgot the brake pedal was wider than the clutch and on the off ramp, slammed my foot down on the brake, and her broken nose bounced off the cold rolled steel dashboard, and I had to bite my tongue to keep from laughing.... good times.
She's still missing teeth from that night. And I don't miss a wink of sleep over it.
She didn't understand when I took her tampons to make a make-shift oil filter for the 59 ford truck with the glass carb float that you needed an off-set 90o angle phillips head to remove.
Fark her and her crack den pals.
I still drive cutting edge vintage and she's pushing a shopping cart with crack babbys in tow.

I miss my ol' '48 IH Travelall that I tricked out like a Puerto Rican Fark truck back in the '70s.
/adjusts onion.
//get out of my driveway.

///goes back in for the shotgun.
 
2013-01-29 08:27:32 PM

Satan's Bunny Slippers: 'm okay with people saying I can't drive because I'm a woman.


You sound... skilled.
That's hot.
 
2013-01-29 08:30:08 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: You ever driven a dual clutch in a Focus or Fiat?


'69 Olds cutlass supreme with a 442 and a "his and hers" racing shift.
Hearst.
Mint-O-La.

Take the on ramps and melds into traffic like butta.
 
2013-01-29 08:38:36 PM
ItchyBrother:Making people who were convicted of DUI drive a car with a shift pattern like that would eliminate the need for a breath-test interlock, no?

It felt quite natural when you already knew how it worked. It was really difficult to verbally describe how you needed to pull "out" (elongate) the gearshift lever before swinging it "up" (towards the steering wheel) and rotating it clockwise to engage reverse.

The fact that the key couldn't be removed unless the car was in reverse gear was a nifty mind-fark for the uninitiated.
 
2013-01-29 08:52:51 PM

IrieTom: ItchyBrother:Making people who were convicted of DUI drive a car with a shift pattern like that would eliminate the need for a breath-test interlock, no?

It felt quite natural when you already knew how it worked. It was really difficult to verbally describe how you needed to pull "out" (elongate) the gearshift lever before swinging it "up" (towards the steering wheel) and rotating it clockwise to engage reverse.

The fact that the key couldn't be removed unless the car was in reverse gear was a nifty mind-fark for the uninitiated.


Down and right for the 56 VW reverse.
and flip the hidden start button for my 69 fiat spyder.
Oh, and the clutch on my 73 Triumph motorcycle? That pulled a pin on a hand grenade under the gas tank.

I'll miss that bike.

Not as much as the greaseball that tried to steal it.
 
2013-01-29 08:58:08 PM
Too bad he didn't Zimmerman their asses.
 
2013-01-29 09:10:41 PM
"Police tried searching for the men, but they took off."

That's some fine policework there, Lou.

Let me guess: they are asking the general public to "assist them in their enquiries."
 
2013-01-29 09:19:48 PM

Savage Bacon: Never understood why people are so fixated on manual and feeling "connected" to their car, as if this somehow creates a symbiotic relationship. I drive my car to get from point A to point B and feel in control of it the whole time. It's a tool, not a toy, but I suppose that this is where the difference lies. I don't use a car to feel like I'm in the land of race car ya-yas; the land where you can't change lanes; the land where large fuzzy dice hang proudly, like testicles, from rear-view mirrors.


Have you ever ridden a horse?
 
2013-01-29 09:23:39 PM

OgreMagi: NASAM: tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?

Miata isn't really an option. Rather him not have a two seater. But I can't tell you the last time I ran across a GTI.

No back seat is a good thing. Do you know what a teenage boy will want to do with a backseat?


You can fark in the front seat, I know I did as a teenage boy.
 
2013-01-29 09:29:59 PM

robodog: Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.

BMW's 8 speed auto begs to differ, more fuel efficient than a manual and faster shifts than any human could make. There's a reason they don't use manuals if F1 despite having the best drivers in the world =)


they don't use H pattern manuals with driver controlled clutches in F1, but the transmissions aren't "automatic". They're manual transmissions where a computer has been utilized to operate the selector and clutch faster than a human could.

modern "automatics" are basically a manual transmission that's being controlled by a computer, because you're too slow and stupid to do it yourself. they're also really jerky at slow speeds... a traditional setup gives you better control from a stand still (like what you'd need in slick conditions)

basically, if it has a torque converter, it sucks.
 
2013-01-29 09:34:57 PM

Fano: OgreMagi: NASAM: tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?

Miata isn't really an option. Rather him not have a two seater. But I can't tell you the last time I ran across a GTI.

No back seat is a good thing. Do you know what a teenage boy will want to do with a backseat?

You can fark in the front seat, I know I did as a teenage boy.


I know there is no way you are going to prevent teenagers from farking if they have their minds set on it. It's you against a million years of evolution. But let's not forget that the more teens you have in one place, the lower their collective IQ. No back seat means fewer idiots to suggest doing something stupid and probably dangerous.
 
2013-01-29 09:46:29 PM

OgreMagi: Fano: OgreMagi: NASAM: tricycleracer: NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.

No old GTIs or Miatas in your part of the world?

Miata isn't really an option. Rather him not have a two seater. But I can't tell you the last time I ran across a GTI.

No back seat is a good thing. Do you know what a teenage boy will want to do with a backseat?

You can fark in the front seat, I know I did as a teenage boy.

I know there is no way you are going to prevent teenagers from farking if they have their minds set on it. It's you against a million years of evolution. But let's not forget that the more teens you have in one place, the lower their collective IQ. No back seat means fewer idiots to suggest doing something stupid and probably dangerous.


I will agree that a two seater reduces the potential for retardation that teens get in groups. But lord knows that I kept a beach blanket in the trunk of my car as a teen, you know, in case it might be needed...
 
2013-01-29 09:47:30 PM
I'd really like to find a early to mid 2000's Volvo V70 with a manual transmission...
 
2013-01-29 10:01:59 PM

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: /2nd car I owned was a 1990 VW Fox, another manual. Anyone ever drive a VW from this era where to put the car in reverse, you had to press the stick DOWN. and not down as in away from the windshield, down as in towards the ground, in the Z-axis. Those Germans are some crazy folks.


My 01 GTI is the same...

My old and much missed 1975 Triumph Spitfire you had to pull the gearshift UP to get Reverse
 
2013-01-29 11:00:11 PM

Monster Kabasue: 71 VW manual bug. Even of they could start it the little tards probably would not be able to find reverse


I had a '71 Type 3 Squareback. It had all the power of a riding lawn mower but none of the style. Downhill and with the wind at your back you could make it all the way up to 57 mph.

I assume it was 57 mph. The speedometer didn't work. Neither did the windshield wipers, but I lived in the desert, so that wasn't a primary concern.

\I loved that car
 
2013-01-29 11:41:34 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: You ever driven a dual clutch in a Focus or Fiat? They're shiat. Utter shiat.


Try a PDK.
 
2013-01-30 12:04:12 AM

IrieTom: ItchyBrother:Making people who were convicted of DUI drive a car with a shift pattern like that would eliminate the need for a breath-test interlock, no?

It felt quite natural when you already knew how it worked. It was really difficult to verbally describe how you needed to pull "out" (elongate) the gearshift lever before swinging it "up" (towards the steering wheel) and rotating it clockwise to engage reverse.

The fact that the key couldn't be removed unless the car was in reverse gear was a nifty mind-fark for the uninitiated.


Maybe it's just that I'm a grey beard, but column mounted stick shifts really don't seem very daunting at all. I'm sure in years past lots of drunks drove themselves home in cars thusly equipped...

I loved both 9-3s I owned in the early '00s. Of course, by then they were much more "normal" than old 92s, 96s, or GT750s. They did, however, retain the necessity to shift the manual gearbox into reverse in order to remove the key from the ignition. That, and the fact that the ignition was on the floor were two of the real Saab-ish features of these cars. I must say that the floor between the seats still seems like the most ergonomic place to locate the ignition switch.
 
2013-01-30 12:11:26 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: robodog: Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.

BMW's 8 speed auto begs to differ, more fuel efficient than a manual and faster shifts than any human could make. There's a reason they don't use manuals if F1 despite having the best drivers in the world =)

they don't use H pattern manuals with driver controlled clutches in F1, but the transmissions aren't "automatic". They're manual transmissions where a computer has been utilized to operate the selector and clutch faster than a human could.

modern "automatics" are basically a manual transmission that's being controlled by a computer, because you're too slow and stupid to do it yourself. they're also really jerky at slow speeds... a traditional setup gives you better control from a stand still (like what you'd need in slick conditions)

basically, if it has a torque converter, it sucks.


Most modern automatics still have torque converters, and use planetary gear sets. The computer controlled clutch-and-layshaft boxes are getting more common, but they're nowhere near the majority. And nowadays, they're often purpose-built, not just a manual box with a bunch of plumbing bolted on. The BMW 8-speed is still a traditional slushbox. Their 7 speed DCT (like in the E9x M3) is a new school dual clutch deal - head and shoulders better than the SMG in the previous generation - you don't have to futz with the gas pedal for smooth shifts on the street. And it's totally lust-worthy on a track.
 
2013-01-30 12:21:35 AM

rangercheese: I've always thought of the stereotypical Farker as someone who:

* drives a manual,
* drinks only microbrews, and
* runs Linux.

/1 out of 3
//long way to go to win the Fark Triple Crown


2.5 of 3 here - (I brew my own ;-) )
/ 6 speed
// Avg 43 Mpg over 60K miles.....
/// Eats a breakfast burrito (with coffee), shaves with a portable razor, and smokes a cigarette during AM commute
//// Told my girlfriend i had to forget her.... Gotta buy me a new carburetor!!!
 
2013-01-30 12:39:34 AM

Rigban: sunbyrne: The only configuration my car came in is 6-speed manual. That's how you know you've found the right car, they don't even mess with automatics.

/ 263 hp, 280 lb-ft torque, 3200 lbs
// zoom zoom

Same here, a 2010 (w/ hood scoop goodness!)


2008.5 (yes, really) for me. Actually, I don't really like the hood scoop nor the silly grin that 3s have now. Wouldn't mind trying out the different gearing, though.

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Mazdaspeed version of the Mazda 3? That's one of the cars on my short list :-)


Yes, Speed 3. I had a lot of fun driving the stuff on my short list. Loved the Mini Cooper S, but just too impractical with two kids. The fact that they play gear-heavy sports (football and lacrosse) doesn't help. And holy crap does Mini nickel and dime you (more like dime and quarter) on options. The Subie WRX is a nice ride, too, except for the year they ruined it, which happened to be the year I was shopping. Love my Speed3, though, if I could go back and do it all over again I wouldn't change the decision at all.
 
2013-01-30 03:39:11 AM

DaAlien: The_Original_Roxtar: robodog: Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!

There is no argument. Unless you're both a spastic and an idiot, manual is better.

BMW's 8 speed auto begs to differ, more fuel efficient than a manual and faster shifts than any human could make. There's a reason they don't use manuals if F1 despite having the best drivers in the world =)

they don't use H pattern manuals with driver controlled clutches in F1, but the transmissions aren't "automatic". They're manual transmissions where a computer has been utilized to operate the selector and clutch faster than a human could.

modern "automatics" are basically a manual transmission that's being controlled by a computer, because you're too slow and stupid to do it yourself. they're also really jerky at slow speeds... a traditional setup gives you better control from a stand still (like what you'd need in slick conditions)

basically, if it has a torque converter, it sucks.

Most modern automatics still have torque converters, and use planetary gear sets. The computer controlled clutch-and-layshaft boxes are getting more common, but they're nowhere near the majority. And nowadays, they're often purpose-built, not just a manual box with a bunch of plumbing bolted on. The BMW 8-speed is still a traditional slushbox. Their 7 speed DCT (like in the E9x M3) is a new school dual clutch deal - head and shoulders better than the SMG in the previous generation - you don't have to futz with the gas pedal for smooth shifts on the street. And it's totally lust-worthy on a track.


Yep, the 8 speed is a "traditional" automatic, which actually offers some advantages like non-sequential downshifts, the 8 can do 8-2 downshifts in 200ms versus the DSG 7 which takes 220ms per gear and must do 5 to go from 7-2, taking over a second in total. The torque converter is only engaged from 0 to 3 km/hour and it offers better launches according to the guy in charge of transmissions at BMW. Once the new 700 lb/ft version of the 8 is done testing it seems unlikely BMW will use DSG for anything but aesthetics.

One of the best things about the 8 for me is that it's not a BMW design and Chrysler has licensed it and is going to produce it in the US so it might make it into a car I can actually afford (3 series I could afford but BMW charges 80% to get the options I want so it's not practical and I'll be damned if I'm going to spend 3 series money and not get the car I want).
 
2013-01-30 04:13:30 AM

robodog: One of the best things about the 8 for me is that it's not a BMW design and Chrysler has licensed it and is going to produce it in the US so it might make it into a car I can actually afford (3 series I could afford but BMW charges 80% to get the options I want so it's not practical and I'll be damned if I'm going to spend 3 series money and not get the car I want).


I'm sure Chrysler will figure out a way to completely fark it up.  It's what they do.
 
2013-01-30 07:16:19 AM

The_Original_Roxtar: robodog: Wellon Dowd: MindStalker: In before Manual/Automatic argument!


basically, if it has a torque converter, it sucks.


this!
 
2013-01-30 07:40:16 AM

baka-san: my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: /2nd car I owned was a 1990 VW Fox, another manual. Anyone ever drive a VW from this era where to put the car in reverse, you had to press the stick DOWN. and not down as in away from the windshield, down as in towards the ground, in the Z-axis. Those Germans are some crazy folks.

My 01 GTI is the same...

My old and much missed 1975 Triumph Spitfire you had to pull the gearshift UP to get Reverse


We are through the looking glass here people. Up is down, black is white, I just don't know what to think anymore.

/Dogs and cats living together!
//Mass Hysteria!!
 
2013-01-30 07:54:50 AM

sunbyrne: The only configuration my car came in is 6-speed manual. That's how you know you've found the right car, they don't even mess with automatics.

/ 263 hp, 280 lb-ft torque, 3200 lbs
// zoom zoom


The Speed3 has way too much turbo lag. I'd rather have a WRX for that price. Same power, very minimal turbo lag, AWD, and the ear candy that is a Subie boxer engine.
 
2013-01-30 09:04:20 AM

robodog: BMW's 8 speed auto begs to differ, more fuel efficient than a manual and faster shifts than any human could make.


i'm a dyed-in-the-wool manual driver and a BMW nerd. i recently test-drove the new 3 series that features that transmission, and i must say that it was excellent.

/still love my 6-speed, though.
 
2013-01-30 09:54:04 AM

NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.


Saturn was making crappy little sticks for a while there, but I never really liked the feel of their clutch. If you can find an older one (like, pre-2002) that still works, those are the good ones. Anything after about 2005 has a really sloppy clutch and will probably fall apart around you.

Other than that, the later Fords, like a Fusion or Focus, had a pretty good reputation, especially when they were putting Mazda engines/trannys in them. I have a 2.3L 2006 Fusion with the five-speed that is still running like a top at 75,000 miles - never had a mechanical problem with it other than a dead battery that required a cheat code to get it running again.

I don't know what used Subarus are running these days, but they'll easily go several hundred thousand miles if you can find them.
 
2013-01-30 10:33:42 AM

Rigban: sunbyrne: The only configuration my car came in is 6-speed manual. That's how you know you've found the right car, they don't even mess with automatics.

/ 263 hp, 280 lb-ft torque, 3200 lbs
// zoom zoom

Same here, a 2010 (w/ hood scoop goodness!)



2L, 260HP, 260lb/ft, 3300 lbs...room for 5 and groceries. I was actually looking at Speed-3's when I found my HHR
 
2013-01-30 11:29:47 AM

NASAM: My son just got his permit and I've been looking for a car for him. My three stipulations: $5k or less, 4 cylinder, and manual. Can't find anything anywhere.


Sounds like a miata!
 
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