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(Oregon Herald)   Risks of a woman changing her name after a wedding? Sneers from feminists. Risks of a man changing his name after a wedding? Felony fraud   (oregonherald.com) divider line 87
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2013-01-29 01:28:19 PM  
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2013-01-29 01:30:24 PM  
And I thought Florida would be tough for transgenders.
 
2013-01-29 01:45:00 PM  
Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?
 
2013-01-29 01:45:09 PM  
He did it right. He changed his passport. It's a trump card. Just turn in license and the. While still standing there get a new one. Passport is the trump card of ID docs.
 
2013-01-29 01:45:42 PM  
I live in Wisconsin and I legally changed my name via marriage - Both my wife and I took a new last name. No problems so far.
 
2013-01-29 01:46:39 PM  
1) This is stupid and he should win.
2) His wife is hot. Please introduce me to these sisters you mention.
 
2013-01-29 01:46:58 PM  
I smell a lawsuit.
 
2013-01-29 01:47:48 PM  
 
2013-01-29 01:48:18 PM  

asscorethethird: I live in Wisconsin and I legally changed my name via marriage - Both my wife and I took a new last name. No problems so far.


You just didn't like either of your last names?
 
2013-01-29 01:48:25 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?


A woman taking a man's surname is clear evidence of patriarchal oppression, duh
 
2013-01-29 01:50:36 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?


I don't know any that do. And if they did, I would ask them your question exactly...
 
2013-01-29 01:50:41 PM  

Quinsisdos: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

A woman taking a man's surname is clear evidence of patriarchal oppression, duh


Oh, I forgot that Subby has learned everything he knows about feminists from Tumblr.  My bad.
 
2013-01-29 01:50:56 PM  
This is stupid and he should nguyen.
 
2013-01-29 01:50:59 PM  
I was going to post some snarky remark about how only a feminized chump would change his name...but then I saw the pic and can only say, "Good job, sir."
 
2013-01-29 01:53:49 PM  

Tommy Moo: 1) This is stupid and he should win.
2) His wife is hot. Please introduce me to these sisters you mention.


Seconded
 
2013-01-29 01:54:04 PM  
I understand both sides. If the DMV clerk hadn't followed procedure to the absolute letter, they would have been shiat-canned.

Civil servants are just like any employee of an enterprise-level company - you will never get in trouble if you follow exactly the regulations. The one time you bend a rule, it bites you in the ass and you get fired.

This fellow has a great lawsuit against the DMV. Don't blame the rank and file, or even the middle-management, blame the Governor who signed off on that policy.
 
2013-01-29 01:54:24 PM  
Saw this earlier today. Glad we don't live in FL or Mr. Gloom would probably be in the same boat. He took my name for very similar reasons when we married, but PA gave us zero hassle. A few old ladies at the Social Security office gave us funny looks and asked questions about why, but no hassle.
 
2013-01-29 01:54:53 PM  
I had a couple of friends who got married and both changed their surnames to an arbitrary third name to spite their parents. They chose "Livingston" more or less at random.
 
2013-01-29 01:55:37 PM  

freeforever: I was going to post some snarky remark about how only a feminized chump would change his name...


You should have, so we could call you an idiot.

The My Little Pony Killer: Quinsisdos: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

A woman taking a man's surname is clear evidence of patriarchal oppression, duh

Oh, I forgot that Subby has learned everything he knows about feminists from Tumblr.  My bad.


Not sure how many feminists you know, but I've met several that think this way; they scream about women's choice, then belittle the ones who choose 'wrongly'.
 
2013-01-29 01:56:00 PM  

Quinsisdos: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

A woman taking a man's surname is clear evidence of patriarchal oppression, duh


Or because it is often, especially traditionally, not her choice.
 
2013-01-29 01:56:12 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Quinsisdos: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

A woman taking a man's surname is clear evidence of patriarchal oppression, duh

Oh, I forgot that Subby has learned everything he knows about feminists from Tumblr.  My bad.


He probably picked up his shiatty attitudes here on Fark. It's not like Fark, Reddit or Digg feature enlightened, compassionate and empathetic viewpoints towards human beings who aren't white, well-off and male.
 
2013-01-29 01:59:06 PM  

Bored Horde: I understand both sides. If the DMV clerk hadn't followed procedure to the absolute letter, they would have been shiat-canned


Have you ever heard of a goobernment worker getting fired for anything less than rape or murder? It doesn't happen. They can't hardly be fired for theft.
 
2013-01-29 01:59:26 PM  
I know it's not a popular opinion - but in my experience with authority figures like the police, irs, government, TSA, etc, etc.... is that 99% of the time they get it right.

I'm quite sure there is more to the story they aren't telling you.

Like when you see a 30 second cell phone video of a cop pushing someone too hard against the hood of their car; but in actuality the guy was drunk, had a history of beating his wife, was yelling so loud the neighbors called the police, then spent 20 minutes in a drunken rage threatening to kill the cops, then immediately before the video stops on the cops foot....then the cop subdues him and everyone jumps on the 'We hate laws' bandwagon....

The fact that the guy was able to change his name, get a new driver's license, a new SS card, and new passport suggests that his problem isn't changing his name. Over a year later something happens that raises the fraud flag? And everyone just thinks, 'Gee the government is stupid - this guy has to be legit....I mean, criminals never lie, right?'

A Cuban immigrant and a Vietnamese family - I mean, look, let's just be honest here - there are probably some skeletons in their closets...
 
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2013-01-29 02:05:50 PM  
It was a $215 filing fee (and small court appearance) up here in Minnesota for changing a name for reasons other than marriage. Sucks that it costs a whopping $400 down in Florida. Not sure if guys can switch their name for free due to marriage up here.

Anyways, basically you get a notarized court document and get to drag that around until you update your passport, social security, license, deeds, titles, insurances, postal address, and optionally Birth Certificate.


/MN rate was 7 years ago so perhaps it has changed.
//Needed two witnesses to vouch that I was up to nothing nefarious.


-- hrmm this got red lighted as a repeat link, but this is not the same as the pregnant man link which fark says is the duplicate.
 
2013-01-29 02:09:06 PM  
I'm thinking of changing my name when I get married. Not to his last name, though. I want something new.

I have a few I'm playing around with. There's a writers colony near here that used to be run by a chick who changed her last name to Dragonwagon. That's pretty neat.
 
2013-01-29 02:09:57 PM  

victrin: I smell a lawsuit.


That he will not win. So you think you are special and so forward thinking. Well, good for you, it's not illegal, it has a $400 filing fee and you have to fill out the correct paperwork.

It's not hard, quit whining
 
2013-01-29 02:50:07 PM  
Hey modmins... how is this a repeat of the pregger dude story?
 
2013-01-29 02:52:57 PM  
I have no idea how this is a repeat . . .

UNLESS!!

The pregnant man changed his name after marrying his wife and the state says that he cannot because he is a man, but cannot get divorced because he is a woman!

Alas this is not the case and the Mods just screwed up, but i want that story now.
 
2013-01-29 03:07:42 PM  

pxsteel: That he will not win. So you think you are special and so forward thinking. Well, good for you, it's not illegal, it has a $400 filing fee and you have to fill out the correct paperwork.


There is this little thing called the equal protection clause. You know the one that states that "[n]o State shall . . . deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Turns out that a state can say that women will get X for free and men will pay $400 for it, but the state will need to show that the disparate treatment is "substantially related" to an "important" government interest. I have a feeling Florida (or any of the other states that suck here) will have a hard time passing that bar, but i will admit i haven't done the research.
 
2013-01-29 03:13:29 PM  
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2013-01-29 03:14:51 PM  
Patriarchal expectations harm men too.

/we're choosing a new last name when we get married
//i imagine it'll be somewhat easier in the failed gay-marriage state of Canuckistan than in the righteous hetero-marriage-only state of Florida
///even for a het couple like us
 
2013-01-29 03:17:30 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I know it's not a popular opinion - but in my experience with authority figures like the police, irs, government, TSA, etc, etc.... is that 99% of the time they get it right.

I'm quite sure there is more to the story they aren't telling you.



You mean like the FTC lawsuit against the guy? FTC vs Prime Legal Plans d/b/a Lazaro Dinh aka Mario Lazaro Sope
 
2013-01-29 03:21:29 PM  
According to Kuvin, 9 states enable a man to change his name upon marriage: California, New York, Hawaii, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Oregon, Iowa, Georgia and North Dakota

Yea!!! Louisiana's not backwards on an issue for once... Suck that every other state except those listed above.
 
2013-01-29 03:21:44 PM  
Die hard feminista's have nothing better to do than sneer at everyone and everything.
 
2013-01-29 03:28:55 PM  
Know a guy who changed his last name into a hyphenated version which included his wife's last name. No problem for many years until they moved to Idaho. The drones at the DL office confiscated his (valid) license from the other state because of the name issue, claiming that it was fraudulent. The also told him that they would have him arrested for driving without a license if he tried to drive home.
 
2013-01-29 03:30:38 PM  

Archfeld: Die hard feminista's have nothing better to do than sneer at everyone and everything.


At least you've found a way to sneer at both sides.
 
2013-01-29 03:32:36 PM  

pxsteel: victrin: I smell a lawsuit.

That he will not win. So you think you are special and so forward thinking. Well, good for you, it's not illegal, it has a $400 filing fee and you have to fill out the correct paperwork.

It's not hard, quit whining


In Florida, the stated policies of the DMV as available to the customer for name changes after marriage do not specify the gender of the spouse who is changing a last name. The marriage certificate is the only document you need to change your last name to your spouse's last name; you do not need to pay a $400 filing fee and you do not need a name change order from the Circuit Court if you have a marriage certificate. The guy in the article did everything in accordance with policy.

TL;DR version: You're wrong.
 
2013-01-29 03:32:48 PM  
A bureaucratic screw-up? At the DMV? Someone call Ric Romero.
 
2013-01-29 03:35:09 PM  
My husband and I kept our own last names when we got married, but now that we're thinking about kids, he wants to hyphenate them so we each pick up the other's name in addition to our own. Apart from my name being five words long, I don't think we'll have a problem...though after hearing about this, I think we'll go to the courthouse rather than the DMV to get it done.

/his theory is that people will assume we're not married or divorced and tease the kid
//my thinking is that kid is doomed to get teased no matter what and married parents are the minority here
///but his last name's neat and I like my in-laws, so why the hell not?
 
2013-01-29 03:35:13 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?


Because she's not choosing what they want her to choose (see Sarah Palin, Michelle Malkin).
 
2013-01-29 03:35:40 PM  
Our legal system isn't perfect.

Out of every one hundred backrubs it gives, ninety-nine people get backrubs. One gets a broken neck. It happens at random, but usually to people other than white.
 
2013-01-29 03:38:05 PM  
On the other hand, there was an administrative hearing, so there's probably some information missing here.
 
2013-01-29 03:38:07 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?


Not feminists. STRAW FEMINISTS!
 
2013-01-29 03:40:20 PM  
As for name changes, my wife's relatives still send her mail addressed to her using my last name, even though she was quite clear with them that she was keeping her own last name. I think the average women gets more raised eyebrows for keeping her own name than sneers from imaginary straw feminists for not.
 
2013-01-29 03:40:43 PM  

Tatterdemalian: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

Because she's not choosing what they want her to choose (see Sarah Palin, Michelle Malkin).


Oh Michelle "I kept my name for professional reasons but other women who do the same are bad wives" Malkin.
 
2013-01-29 03:45:43 PM  

GloomCookie613: A few old ladies at the Social Security office gave us funny looks and asked questions about why, but no hassle.


Did you tell them it's because you wear the strap-on in the relationship?
 
2013-01-29 03:50:27 PM  

Soymilk: Tatterdemalian: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

Because she's not choosing what they want her to choose (see Sarah Palin, Michelle Malkin).

Oh Michelle "I kept my name for professional reasons but other women who do the same are bad wives" Malkin.


I'm pretty sure the joke was the idea that Palin and Malkin get sneered at for their choices, and not for their lack of intellectual honesty.
 
2013-01-29 03:55:12 PM  

beakerxf: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know it's not a popular opinion - but in my experience with authority figures like the police, irs, government, TSA, etc, etc.... is that 99% of the time they get it right.

I'm quite sure there is more to the story they aren't telling you.

You mean like the FTC lawsuit against the guy? FTC vs Prime Legal Plans d/b/a Lazaro Dinh aka Mario Lazaro Sope


his name is Sopena, I thought? "Real estate investor Lazaro Sopena"
 
2013-01-29 03:55:47 PM  
nevermind, I misread stupidly off the link
 
2013-01-29 03:57:33 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?


Because they're angry and bitter at the fact that they're still not legally allowed to take the last name of the seven cats that they're "married" to.
 
2013-01-29 04:02:32 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I know it's not a popular opinion - but in my experience with authority figures like the police, irs, government, TSA, etc, etc.... is that 99% of the time they get it right.

I'm quite sure there is more to the story they aren't telling you.

Like when you see a 30 second cell phone video of a cop pushing someone too hard against the hood of their car; but in actuality the guy was drunk, had a history of beating his wife, was yelling so loud the neighbors called the police, then spent 20 minutes in a drunken rage threatening to kill the cops, then immediately before the video stops on the cops foot....then the cop subdues him and everyone jumps on the 'We hate laws' bandwagon....

The fact that the guy was able to change his name, get a new driver's license, a new SS card, and new passport suggests that his problem isn't changing his name. Over a year later something happens that raises the fraud flag? And everyone just thinks, 'Gee the government is stupid - this guy has to be legit....I mean, criminals never lie, right?'

A Cuban immigrant and a Vietnamese family - I mean, look, let's just be honest here - there are probably some skeletons in their closets...


Your statement is not motivated by race, not in the least.
 
2013-01-29 04:03:08 PM  

WhippingBoy: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

Because they're angry and bitter at the fact that they're still not legally allowed to take the last name of the seven cats that they're "married" to.


I think I just found Subby.
 
2013-01-29 04:06:16 PM  
CSB:

A friend of mine was engaged to be married. His last name is Clark, her last name is Clarke. She was going to hyphenate.

The broke up.
 
2013-01-29 04:14:37 PM  

beakerxf: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know it's not a popular opinion - but in my experience with authority figures like the police, irs, government, TSA, etc, etc.... is that 99% of the time they get it right.

I'm quite sure there is more to the story they aren't telling you.

You mean like the FTC lawsuit against the guy? FTC vs Prime Legal Plans d/b/a Lazaro Dinh aka Mario Lazaro Sope


Smart buttoned because it's basically the only informative post in this thread so far, and a very important bit of information at that.
 
2013-01-29 04:18:52 PM  

farkingatwork: beakerxf: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know it's not a popular opinion - but in my experience with authority figures like the police, irs, government, TSA, etc, etc.... is that 99% of the time they get it right.

I'm quite sure there is more to the story they aren't telling you.

You mean like the FTC lawsuit against the guy? FTC vs Prime Legal Plans d/b/a Lazaro Dinh aka Mario Lazaro Sope

his name is Sopena, I thought? "Real estate investor Lazaro Sopena"


Yeah, the name got cut off when I cut and pasted. Here's the the case on the FTC website: FTC Website. They list him as "Lazaro Dinh, also known as Mario Lazaro Sopena also known as Lazaro Sopena".
 
2013-01-29 04:19:07 PM  

Gough: Know a guy who changed his last name into a hyphenated version which included his wife's last name. No problem for many years until they moved to Idaho. The drones at the DL office confiscated his (valid) license from the other state because of the name issue, claiming that it was fraudulent. The also told him that they would have him arrested for driving without a license if he tried to drive home.


Was the guy named Doug, and lives(lived) in Bonners Ferry? I might haveknown him.
 
2013-01-29 04:24:41 PM  

farkingatwork: nevermind, I misread stupidly off the link


Missed this before I posted my follow-up
 
2013-01-29 04:24:42 PM  
asscorethethird: "both my wife and I took a new last name."

Seems like the only fair way to do it.
 
2013-01-29 04:43:38 PM  

Lord Dimwit: CSB:

A friend of mine was engaged to be married. His last name is Clark, her last name is Clarke. She was going to hyphenate.

The broke up.


My mom & stepdad both had the same first name: Lynn & Lynne. They didn't hyphenate.
 
2013-01-29 04:45:05 PM  
My wife took my last name, but I really should have taken hers. Hers is way cooler than mine.
 
2013-01-29 05:00:40 PM  

Lord Dimwit: CSB:

A friend of mine was engaged to be married. His last name is Clark, her last name is Clarke. She was going to hyphenate.

The broke up.


Clark-e?
 
2013-01-29 05:03:41 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?


I get the feeling feminists are coonts with severe penis envy, which is just a huge waste of time. History tells of many great and powerful women who knew how to own it without the childlike need to oppress, insult or hurt others.
 
2013-01-29 05:14:44 PM  
I get the feeling feminists are coonts with severe penis envy,...

Who are these cartoonish feminists that you refer to?
Every woman I know is a feminist (ie believes that women have the same rights as men) and none of them are like this. I have never met a woman like this. It is probably just another stereo type created by the Rush/Faux news crowd that insecure males adopted.

Kept my own name when I got married. Explained my reasoning to family and inlaws and no-one else has ever had a problem with it.
 
2013-01-29 05:14:44 PM  
I remember reading an article some months ago that the babies of the hyphen-named married couples are just using the male partners name...mostly because they also name their kids something like "Bryce Solomon Smith-Webster" and when their baby gets married to "Jayne Lizbeth Williams-Douglas" and the name now becomes Mr. and Mrs Bryce Solomon Smith-Webster-Williams-Douglas, and THEIR kid gets named...Joe.

Because they realized 5 farking names is farking stupid.
 
2013-01-29 05:31:37 PM  

NotARocketScientist: I get the feeling feminists are coonts with severe penis envy,...

Who are these cartoonish feminists that you refer to?
Every woman I know is a feminist (ie believes that women have the same rights as men) and none of them are like this. I have never met a woman like this. It is probably just another stereo type created by the Rush/Faux news crowd that insecure males adopted.

Kept my own name when I got married. Explained my reasoning to family and inlaws and no-one else has ever had a problem with it.


I have met feminists like this, sadly. That being said, they are much less common than some posters would like to pretend, and are generally vastly outnumbered by people who are either outright male chauvinists or who believe that they are unprejudiced in their feelings about women but still hold somewhat antiquated views that they consider "normal" and can't even understand are sexist.

(My favorite was the ex-girlfriend who thought that feminism meant if I asked her to either do housework or help with the bills it was because I was sexist, but also that it meant she shouldn't have to help with the bills, have a job, work, or do anything that she didn't feel like doing. Her mother also talked about how men and women should be equal and so on but generally acted the same way and was unapologetically racist to boot. They were a fun bunch...)

(Also have my wife's friend who basically tells her that she (my wife) is stupid and submissive for being a stay-at-home mom and I'm oppressing her. Trust me, if my wife's job had paid enough for me to stay home and take care of the kids, I would've traded positions in a heartbeat.)

(It's worth noting that while I can talk about those two, they stand out in my mind because of their relative rarity, versus the litany of intentional or innocent sexist behavior from men I could discuss.)
 
2013-01-29 05:43:04 PM  

Snarcasm: Lord Dimwit: CSB:

A friend of mine was engaged to be married. His last name is Clark, her last name is Clarke. She was going to hyphenate.

The broke up.

Clark-e?


Clark[e]{0,1}

/regex humor
 
2013-01-29 05:49:51 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: freeforever: I was going to post some snarky remark about how only a feminized chump would change his name...

You should have, so we could call you an idiot.

The My Little Pony Killer: Quinsisdos: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

A woman taking a man's surname is clear evidence of patriarchal oppression, duh

Oh, I forgot that Subby has learned everything he knows about feminists from Tumblr.  My bad.

Not sure how many feminists you know, but I've met several that think this way; they scream about women's choice, then belittle the ones who choose 'wrongly'.


And yet, amazingly, with tens of thousands of people posting on Fark including thousands of feminists, we've never seen one in person and only have anecdotes like yours about these mythical screaming and belittling activists, and not even blurry footage a la Bigfoot. But I'm sure you're different and your alleged feminists totally exist and aliens really did probe you and you weren't just drinking and trying to ride your truck's stick shift.
 
2013-01-29 05:54:58 PM  

Lord Dimwit: (Also have my wife's friend who basically tells her that she (my wife) is stupid and submissive for being a stay-at-home mom and I'm oppressing her. Trust me, if my wife's job had paid enough for me to stay home and take care of the kids, I would've traded positions in a heartbeat.)


Perhaps you're the rare one there, because that's not the usual result:
static.thesocietypages.org
The vast majority of young people - about 80% of women and 70% of men across all races, classes, and family backgrounds - desire an egalitarian marriage in which both partners share breadwinning, housekeeping, and child rearing. The data come from Kathleen Gerson's fabulous 2010 book, The Unfinished Revolution.

In practice, however, egalitarian relationships are difficult to establish. Both work and family are "greedy institutions," ones that take up lots of time and energy. Many couples find that, once children arrive, it's impossible for both to do both with equal gusto.

With this in mind, Gerson asked her respondents what type of family they would like if, for whatever reason, they couldn't sustain an equal partnership. She discovered that, while men's and women's ideals are very similar, their fallback positions deviate dramatically.

Men's most common fallback position is to establish a neotraditional division of labor: 70% hope to convince their wives to de-prioritize their careers and focus on homemaking and raising children. Women? Faced with a husband who wants them to be a housewife or work part-time, almost three-quarters of women say they would choose divorce and raise their kids alone. In fact, despite men's insistence on being breadwinners, women are more likely than men to say they value success in a high-paying career.
 
2013-01-29 06:01:34 PM  

beakerxf: farkingatwork: beakerxf: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know it's not a popular opinion - but in my experience with authority figures like the police, irs, government, TSA, etc, etc.... is that 99% of the time they get it right.

I'm quite sure there is more to the story they aren't telling you.

You mean like the FTC lawsuit against the guy? FTC vs Prime Legal Plans d/b/a Lazaro Dinh aka Mario Lazaro Sope

his name is Sopena, I thought? "Real estate investor Lazaro Sopena"

Yeah, the name got cut off when I cut and pasted. Here's the the case on the FTC website: FTC Website. They list him as "Lazaro Dinh, also known as Mario Lazaro Sopena also known as Lazaro Sopena".


Nice find. He's apparently a telemarketer running a mortgage assistance scam. They should let him change his name, and then string him up.
 
2013-01-29 06:22:01 PM  

NotARocketScientist: I get the feeling feminists are coonts with severe penis envy,...

Who are these cartoonish feminists that you refer to?
Every woman I know is a feminist (ie believes that women have the same rights as men) and none of them are like this. I have never met a woman like this. It is probably just another stereo type created by the Rush/Faux news crowd that insecure males adopted.

Kept my own name when I got married. Explained my reasoning to family and inlaws and no-one else has ever had a problem with it.


I've never met a man who treated women with disrespect, expected to be paid more, etc. etc.
Therefore, these cartoonish men do not exist.
 
2013-01-29 06:33:35 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: freeforever: I was going to post some snarky remark about how only a feminized chump would change his name...

You should have, so we could call you an idiot.

The My Little Pony Killer: Quinsisdos: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

A woman taking a man's surname is clear evidence of patriarchal oppression, duh

Oh, I forgot that Subby has learned everything he knows about feminists from Tumblr.  My bad.

Not sure how many feminists you know, but I've met several that think this way; they scream about women's choice, then belittle the ones who choose 'wrongly'.


No, he wouldn't be an idiot. There is a traditional man- it's what most women end up liking. There is something in the word beyond what you think.
 
2013-01-29 06:34:24 PM  

Theaetetus: ArcadianRefugee: freeforever: I was going to post some snarky remark about how only a feminized chump would change his name...

You should have, so we could call you an idiot.

The My Little Pony Killer: Quinsisdos: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

A woman taking a man's surname is clear evidence of patriarchal oppression, duh

Oh, I forgot that Subby has learned everything he knows about feminists from Tumblr.  My bad.

Not sure how many feminists you know, but I've met several that think this way; they scream about women's choice, then belittle the ones who choose 'wrongly'.

And yet, amazingly, with tens of thousands of people posting on Fark including thousands of feminists, we've never seen one in person and only have anecdotes like yours about these mythical screaming and belittling activists, and not even blurry footage a la Bigfoot. But I'm sure you're different and your alleged feminists totally exist and aliens really did probe you and you weren't just drinking and trying to ride your truck's stick shift.


Well there's you.

Remember in that "Oklahoma City hate crimes thread" where you all but accused some guy of being involved because you didn't like his opinion? And then it turned out that the whole thing was faked?

Good times...
 
2013-01-29 06:51:52 PM  

Theaetetus: Lord Dimwit: (Also have my wife's friend who basically tells her that she (my wife) is stupid and submissive for being a stay-at-home mom and I'm oppressing her. Trust me, if my wife's job had paid enough for me to stay home and take care of the kids, I would've traded positions in a heartbeat.)

Perhaps you're the rare one there, because that's not the usual result:
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The vast majority of young people - about 80% of women and 70% of men across all races, classes, and family backgrounds - desire an egalitarian marriage in which both partners share breadwinning, housekeeping, and child rearing. The data come from Kathleen Gerson's fabulous 2010 book, The Unfinished Revolution.

In practice, however, egalitarian relationships are difficult to establish. Both work and family are "greedy institutions," ones that take up lots of time and energy. Many couples find that, once children arrive, it's impossible for both to do both with equal gusto.

With this in mind, Gerson asked her respondents what type of family they would like if, for whatever reason, they couldn't sustain an equal partnership. She discovered that, while men's and women's ideals are very similar, their fallback positions deviate dramatically.

Men's most common fallback position is to establish a neotraditional division of labor: 70% hope to convince their wives to de-prioritize their careers and focus on homemaking and raising children. Women? Faced with a husband who wants them to be a housewife or work part-time, almost three-quarters of women say they would choose divorce and raise their kids alone. In fact, despite men's insistence on being breadwinners, women are more likely than men to say they value success in a high-paying career.


Funny, that study didn't even bother to give the option of "man stays at home". Seems biased to me.
 
2013-01-29 07:13:48 PM  

strangeluck: asscorethethird: I live in Wisconsin and I legally changed my name via marriage - Both my wife and I took a new last name. No problems so far.

You just didn't like either of your last names?



No, I had my fathers last name and he wasn't involved in my life. We both took my mothers family name.
 
2013-01-29 07:26:55 PM  
"in order to help his wife's Vietnamese family perpetuate their family surname."

You don't have to change your last name to do this, you can give your kids any last name you please.
 
2013-01-29 07:29:55 PM  

WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: ArcadianRefugee: freeforever: I was going to post some snarky remark about how only a feminized chump would change his name...

You should have, so we could call you an idiot.

The My Little Pony Killer: Quinsisdos: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

A woman taking a man's surname is clear evidence of patriarchal oppression, duh

Oh, I forgot that Subby has learned everything he knows about feminists from Tumblr.  My bad.

Not sure how many feminists you know, but I've met several that think this way; they scream about women's choice, then belittle the ones who choose 'wrongly'.

And yet, amazingly, with tens of thousands of people posting on Fark including thousands of feminists, we've never seen one in person and only have anecdotes like yours about these mythical screaming and belittling activists, and not even blurry footage a la Bigfoot. But I'm sure you're different and your alleged feminists totally exist and aliens really did probe you and you weren't just drinking and trying to ride your truck's stick shift.

Well there's you.


Really? When have I "scream[ed] about women's choice, then belittle[d] the ones who choose 'wrongly'"? Or are you trying to move the goalposts because you can't actually find a single instance of that?

Remember in that "Oklahoma City hate crimes thread" where you all but accused some guy of being involved because you didn't like his opinion? And then it turned out that the whole thing was faked?

Good times...


Yep, you are. Worthy attempt, but a total fail.

And no, it wasn't "because I didn't like his opinion", but rather than he showed up three times over 15 minutes, not responding to anyone, to post single sentence statements about how the victim deserved it. And yeah, wanting someone to look that up in that context is not at all unreasonable, and I stand by it.
 
2013-01-29 08:02:39 PM  

adamatari: Funny, that study didn't even bother to give the option of "man stays at home". Seems biased to me.


Women will dump a man who tries to stay at home and take care of the children, because he's "lazy."

/no, it's not "lazy" for women to do it, it's "tragic"
//has the tits, makes the rules, etc.
 
2013-01-29 08:19:29 PM  
i987.photobucket.com
/How am I the first with this?
 
2013-01-29 08:34:49 PM  
A friend of my wife got married recently. I addressed her as Mrs. (Husband's last name). She defiantly corrected with the hyphenate.

"So you are showing your female independence by keeping a name you got from different man?"

Makes no sense to me.
 
2013-01-29 08:37:44 PM  

Theaetetus: And no, it wasn't "because I didn't like his opinion", but rather than he showed up three times over 15 minutes, not responding to anyone, to post single sentence statements about how the victim deserved it. And yeah, wanting someone to look that up in that context is not at all unreasonable, and I stand by it.


You're very good at the language game, I'll give you that. The woman faked her own "torture", yet you still refer to her as the "victim".
 
2013-01-29 09:05:19 PM  

s2s2s2: A friend of my wife got married recently. I addressed her as Mrs. (Husband's last name). She defiantly corrected with the hyphenate.

"So you are showing your female independence by keeping a name you got from different man?"

Makes no sense to me.


Whenever a woman corrects me with her married name I scream, "I'm not calling you by your slave name!", so I guess it swings both ways.
 
2013-01-29 09:23:57 PM  

WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: And no, it wasn't "because I didn't like his opinion", but rather than he showed up three times over 15 minutes, not responding to anyone, to post single sentence statements about how the victim deserved it. And yeah, wanting someone to look that up in that context is not at all unreasonable, and I stand by it.

You're very good at the language game, I'll give you that. The woman faked her own "torture", yet you still refer to her as the "victim".


You're very good at the unsupported accusation and goalpost moving, getting called on it, and doubling down on your trolling by cutting off half the response you're replying to game.

Oh, wait, no. You suck at it, troll.
 
2013-01-29 11:14:37 PM  

Theaetetus: WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: And no, it wasn't "because I didn't like his opinion", but rather than he showed up three times over 15 minutes, not responding to anyone, to post single sentence statements about how the victim deserved it. And yeah, wanting someone to look that up in that context is not at all unreasonable, and I stand by it.

You're very good at the language game, I'll give you that. The woman faked her own "torture", yet you still refer to her as the "victim".

You're very good at the unsupported accusation and goalpost moving, getting called on it, and doubling down on your trolling by cutting off half the response you're replying to game.

Oh, wait, no. You suck at it, troll.


Oh noes! I've been called out! Time to wear sackcloth and reexamine the remains of my tattered, pathetic little life! Thank you for showing me the error of my ways... Thank you and God bless...
 
2013-01-29 11:57:08 PM  
The minister who married my husband & I was herself married to another minister. When they married, they both took both names. The flow of the sound of the names worked best to have his pre-married name first then hers. Neither of their congregations seemed to have a problem with it, nor did the State of Oregon. I do see from the linked article that we're one of a few states with a policy of "Meh, do whatever you want."

We lost track of them over the years. I have always wondered if they went on to have children. If their children married others with hyphenated names and kept all the names they'd have a real mouthful!
 
2013-01-30 11:27:55 PM  

NotARocketScientist: I get the feeling feminists are coonts with severe penis envy,...

Who are these cartoonish feminists that you refer to?
Every woman I know is a feminist (ie believes that women have the same rights as men) and none of them are like this. I have never met a woman like this. It is probably just another stereo type created by the Rush/Faux news crowd that insecure males adopted.

Kept my own name when I got married. Explained my reasoning to family and inlaws and no-one else has ever had a problem with it.


you should see some of the feminists at my college talk. they blame men for "destroying the planet" "rape culture" and "patriarchy." i find it amazing that these things are said in an institution were 60% of the student body is female (that number is as high as it is because of this http://www.amazon.com/The-War-Against-Boys-Misguided/dp/0684849569.)

everyone believes in equal rights for women. feminists do not believe in that. feminists believe in portraying women as victims in order to secure preferential treatment.
 
2013-01-30 11:34:06 PM  
these are the types of feminists that people see in real life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0
 
2013-02-01 09:38:52 AM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: these are the types of feminists that people see in real life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0


You sound oppressed.
 
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