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2013-01-29 04:02:32 PM  

Fark_Guy_Rob: I know it's not a popular opinion - but in my experience with authority figures like the police, irs, government, TSA, etc, etc.... is that 99% of the time they get it right.

I'm quite sure there is more to the story they aren't telling you.

Like when you see a 30 second cell phone video of a cop pushing someone too hard against the hood of their car; but in actuality the guy was drunk, had a history of beating his wife, was yelling so loud the neighbors called the police, then spent 20 minutes in a drunken rage threatening to kill the cops, then immediately before the video stops on the cops foot....then the cop subdues him and everyone jumps on the 'We hate laws' bandwagon....

The fact that the guy was able to change his name, get a new driver's license, a new SS card, and new passport suggests that his problem isn't changing his name. Over a year later something happens that raises the fraud flag? And everyone just thinks, 'Gee the government is stupid - this guy has to be legit....I mean, criminals never lie, right?'

A Cuban immigrant and a Vietnamese family - I mean, look, let's just be honest here - there are probably some skeletons in their closets...


Your statement is not motivated by race, not in the least.
 
2013-01-29 04:03:08 PM  

WhippingBoy: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

Because they're angry and bitter at the fact that they're still not legally allowed to take the last name of the seven cats that they're "married" to.


I think I just found Subby.
 
2013-01-29 04:06:16 PM  
CSB:

A friend of mine was engaged to be married. His last name is Clark, her last name is Clarke. She was going to hyphenate.

The broke up.
 
2013-01-29 04:14:37 PM  

beakerxf: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know it's not a popular opinion - but in my experience with authority figures like the police, irs, government, TSA, etc, etc.... is that 99% of the time they get it right.

I'm quite sure there is more to the story they aren't telling you.

You mean like the FTC lawsuit against the guy? FTC vs Prime Legal Plans d/b/a Lazaro Dinh aka Mario Lazaro Sope


Smart buttoned because it's basically the only informative post in this thread so far, and a very important bit of information at that.
 
2013-01-29 04:18:52 PM  

farkingatwork: beakerxf: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know it's not a popular opinion - but in my experience with authority figures like the police, irs, government, TSA, etc, etc.... is that 99% of the time they get it right.

I'm quite sure there is more to the story they aren't telling you.

You mean like the FTC lawsuit against the guy? FTC vs Prime Legal Plans d/b/a Lazaro Dinh aka Mario Lazaro Sope

his name is Sopena, I thought? "Real estate investor Lazaro Sopena"


Yeah, the name got cut off when I cut and pasted. Here's the the case on the FTC website: FTC Website. They list him as "Lazaro Dinh, also known as Mario Lazaro Sopena also known as Lazaro Sopena".
 
2013-01-29 04:19:07 PM  

Gough: Know a guy who changed his last name into a hyphenated version which included his wife's last name. No problem for many years until they moved to Idaho. The drones at the DL office confiscated his (valid) license from the other state because of the name issue, claiming that it was fraudulent. The also told him that they would have him arrested for driving without a license if he tried to drive home.


Was the guy named Doug, and lives(lived) in Bonners Ferry? I might haveknown him.
 
2013-01-29 04:24:41 PM  

farkingatwork: nevermind, I misread stupidly off the link


Missed this before I posted my follow-up
 
2013-01-29 04:24:42 PM  
asscorethethird: "both my wife and I took a new last name."

Seems like the only fair way to do it.
 
2013-01-29 04:43:38 PM  

Lord Dimwit: CSB:

A friend of mine was engaged to be married. His last name is Clark, her last name is Clarke. She was going to hyphenate.

The broke up.


My mom & stepdad both had the same first name: Lynn & Lynne. They didn't hyphenate.
 
2013-01-29 04:45:05 PM  
My wife took my last name, but I really should have taken hers. Hers is way cooler than mine.
 
2013-01-29 05:00:40 PM  

Lord Dimwit: CSB:

A friend of mine was engaged to be married. His last name is Clark, her last name is Clarke. She was going to hyphenate.

The broke up.


Clark-e?
 
2013-01-29 05:03:41 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?


I get the feeling feminists are coonts with severe penis envy, which is just a huge waste of time. History tells of many great and powerful women who knew how to own it without the childlike need to oppress, insult or hurt others.
 
2013-01-29 05:14:44 PM  
I get the feeling feminists are coonts with severe penis envy,...

Who are these cartoonish feminists that you refer to?
Every woman I know is a feminist (ie believes that women have the same rights as men) and none of them are like this. I have never met a woman like this. It is probably just another stereo type created by the Rush/Faux news crowd that insecure males adopted.

Kept my own name when I got married. Explained my reasoning to family and inlaws and no-one else has ever had a problem with it.
 
2013-01-29 05:14:44 PM  
I remember reading an article some months ago that the babies of the hyphen-named married couples are just using the male partners name...mostly because they also name their kids something like "Bryce Solomon Smith-Webster" and when their baby gets married to "Jayne Lizbeth Williams-Douglas" and the name now becomes Mr. and Mrs Bryce Solomon Smith-Webster-Williams-Douglas, and THEIR kid gets named...Joe.

Because they realized 5 farking names is farking stupid.
 
2013-01-29 05:31:37 PM  

NotARocketScientist: I get the feeling feminists are coonts with severe penis envy,...

Who are these cartoonish feminists that you refer to?
Every woman I know is a feminist (ie believes that women have the same rights as men) and none of them are like this. I have never met a woman like this. It is probably just another stereo type created by the Rush/Faux news crowd that insecure males adopted.

Kept my own name when I got married. Explained my reasoning to family and inlaws and no-one else has ever had a problem with it.


I have met feminists like this, sadly. That being said, they are much less common than some posters would like to pretend, and are generally vastly outnumbered by people who are either outright male chauvinists or who believe that they are unprejudiced in their feelings about women but still hold somewhat antiquated views that they consider "normal" and can't even understand are sexist.

(My favorite was the ex-girlfriend who thought that feminism meant if I asked her to either do housework or help with the bills it was because I was sexist, but also that it meant she shouldn't have to help with the bills, have a job, work, or do anything that she didn't feel like doing. Her mother also talked about how men and women should be equal and so on but generally acted the same way and was unapologetically racist to boot. They were a fun bunch...)

(Also have my wife's friend who basically tells her that she (my wife) is stupid and submissive for being a stay-at-home mom and I'm oppressing her. Trust me, if my wife's job had paid enough for me to stay home and take care of the kids, I would've traded positions in a heartbeat.)

(It's worth noting that while I can talk about those two, they stand out in my mind because of their relative rarity, versus the litany of intentional or innocent sexist behavior from men I could discuss.)
 
2013-01-29 05:43:04 PM  

Snarcasm: Lord Dimwit: CSB:

A friend of mine was engaged to be married. His last name is Clark, her last name is Clarke. She was going to hyphenate.

The broke up.

Clark-e?


Clark[e]{0,1}

/regex humor
 
2013-01-29 05:49:51 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: freeforever: I was going to post some snarky remark about how only a feminized chump would change his name...

You should have, so we could call you an idiot.

The My Little Pony Killer: Quinsisdos: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

A woman taking a man's surname is clear evidence of patriarchal oppression, duh

Oh, I forgot that Subby has learned everything he knows about feminists from Tumblr.  My bad.

Not sure how many feminists you know, but I've met several that think this way; they scream about women's choice, then belittle the ones who choose 'wrongly'.


And yet, amazingly, with tens of thousands of people posting on Fark including thousands of feminists, we've never seen one in person and only have anecdotes like yours about these mythical screaming and belittling activists, and not even blurry footage a la Bigfoot. But I'm sure you're different and your alleged feminists totally exist and aliens really did probe you and you weren't just drinking and trying to ride your truck's stick shift.
 
2013-01-29 05:54:58 PM  

Lord Dimwit: (Also have my wife's friend who basically tells her that she (my wife) is stupid and submissive for being a stay-at-home mom and I'm oppressing her. Trust me, if my wife's job had paid enough for me to stay home and take care of the kids, I would've traded positions in a heartbeat.)


Perhaps you're the rare one there, because that's not the usual result:
static.thesocietypages.org
The vast majority of young people - about 80% of women and 70% of men across all races, classes, and family backgrounds - desire an egalitarian marriage in which both partners share breadwinning, housekeeping, and child rearing. The data come from Kathleen Gerson's fabulous 2010 book, The Unfinished Revolution.

In practice, however, egalitarian relationships are difficult to establish. Both work and family are "greedy institutions," ones that take up lots of time and energy. Many couples find that, once children arrive, it's impossible for both to do both with equal gusto.

With this in mind, Gerson asked her respondents what type of family they would like if, for whatever reason, they couldn't sustain an equal partnership. She discovered that, while men's and women's ideals are very similar, their fallback positions deviate dramatically.

Men's most common fallback position is to establish a neotraditional division of labor: 70% hope to convince their wives to de-prioritize their careers and focus on homemaking and raising children. Women? Faced with a husband who wants them to be a housewife or work part-time, almost three-quarters of women say they would choose divorce and raise their kids alone. In fact, despite men's insistence on being breadwinners, women are more likely than men to say they value success in a high-paying career.
 
2013-01-29 06:01:34 PM  

beakerxf: farkingatwork: beakerxf: Fark_Guy_Rob: I know it's not a popular opinion - but in my experience with authority figures like the police, irs, government, TSA, etc, etc.... is that 99% of the time they get it right.

I'm quite sure there is more to the story they aren't telling you.

You mean like the FTC lawsuit against the guy? FTC vs Prime Legal Plans d/b/a Lazaro Dinh aka Mario Lazaro Sope

his name is Sopena, I thought? "Real estate investor Lazaro Sopena"

Yeah, the name got cut off when I cut and pasted. Here's the the case on the FTC website: FTC Website. They list him as "Lazaro Dinh, also known as Mario Lazaro Sopena also known as Lazaro Sopena".


Nice find. He's apparently a telemarketer running a mortgage assistance scam. They should let him change his name, and then string him up.
 
2013-01-29 06:22:01 PM  

NotARocketScientist: I get the feeling feminists are coonts with severe penis envy,...

Who are these cartoonish feminists that you refer to?
Every woman I know is a feminist (ie believes that women have the same rights as men) and none of them are like this. I have never met a woman like this. It is probably just another stereo type created by the Rush/Faux news crowd that insecure males adopted.

Kept my own name when I got married. Explained my reasoning to family and inlaws and no-one else has ever had a problem with it.


I've never met a man who treated women with disrespect, expected to be paid more, etc. etc.
Therefore, these cartoonish men do not exist.
 
2013-01-29 06:33:35 PM  

ArcadianRefugee: freeforever: I was going to post some snarky remark about how only a feminized chump would change his name...

You should have, so we could call you an idiot.

The My Little Pony Killer: Quinsisdos: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

A woman taking a man's surname is clear evidence of patriarchal oppression, duh

Oh, I forgot that Subby has learned everything he knows about feminists from Tumblr.  My bad.

Not sure how many feminists you know, but I've met several that think this way; they scream about women's choice, then belittle the ones who choose 'wrongly'.


No, he wouldn't be an idiot. There is a traditional man- it's what most women end up liking. There is something in the word beyond what you think.
 
2013-01-29 06:34:24 PM  

Theaetetus: ArcadianRefugee: freeforever: I was going to post some snarky remark about how only a feminized chump would change his name...

You should have, so we could call you an idiot.

The My Little Pony Killer: Quinsisdos: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

A woman taking a man's surname is clear evidence of patriarchal oppression, duh

Oh, I forgot that Subby has learned everything he knows about feminists from Tumblr.  My bad.

Not sure how many feminists you know, but I've met several that think this way; they scream about women's choice, then belittle the ones who choose 'wrongly'.

And yet, amazingly, with tens of thousands of people posting on Fark including thousands of feminists, we've never seen one in person and only have anecdotes like yours about these mythical screaming and belittling activists, and not even blurry footage a la Bigfoot. But I'm sure you're different and your alleged feminists totally exist and aliens really did probe you and you weren't just drinking and trying to ride your truck's stick shift.


Well there's you.

Remember in that "Oklahoma City hate crimes thread" where you all but accused some guy of being involved because you didn't like his opinion? And then it turned out that the whole thing was faked?

Good times...
 
2013-01-29 06:51:52 PM  

Theaetetus: Lord Dimwit: (Also have my wife's friend who basically tells her that she (my wife) is stupid and submissive for being a stay-at-home mom and I'm oppressing her. Trust me, if my wife's job had paid enough for me to stay home and take care of the kids, I would've traded positions in a heartbeat.)

Perhaps you're the rare one there, because that's not the usual result:
[static.thesocietypages.org image 553x543]
The vast majority of young people - about 80% of women and 70% of men across all races, classes, and family backgrounds - desire an egalitarian marriage in which both partners share breadwinning, housekeeping, and child rearing. The data come from Kathleen Gerson's fabulous 2010 book, The Unfinished Revolution.

In practice, however, egalitarian relationships are difficult to establish. Both work and family are "greedy institutions," ones that take up lots of time and energy. Many couples find that, once children arrive, it's impossible for both to do both with equal gusto.

With this in mind, Gerson asked her respondents what type of family they would like if, for whatever reason, they couldn't sustain an equal partnership. She discovered that, while men's and women's ideals are very similar, their fallback positions deviate dramatically.

Men's most common fallback position is to establish a neotraditional division of labor: 70% hope to convince their wives to de-prioritize their careers and focus on homemaking and raising children. Women? Faced with a husband who wants them to be a housewife or work part-time, almost three-quarters of women say they would choose divorce and raise their kids alone. In fact, despite men's insistence on being breadwinners, women are more likely than men to say they value success in a high-paying career.


Funny, that study didn't even bother to give the option of "man stays at home". Seems biased to me.
 
2013-01-29 07:13:48 PM  

strangeluck: asscorethethird: I live in Wisconsin and I legally changed my name via marriage - Both my wife and I took a new last name. No problems so far.

You just didn't like either of your last names?



No, I had my fathers last name and he wasn't involved in my life. We both took my mothers family name.
 
2013-01-29 07:26:55 PM  
"in order to help his wife's Vietnamese family perpetuate their family surname."

You don't have to change your last name to do this, you can give your kids any last name you please.
 
2013-01-29 07:29:55 PM  

WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: ArcadianRefugee: freeforever: I was going to post some snarky remark about how only a feminized chump would change his name...

You should have, so we could call you an idiot.

The My Little Pony Killer: Quinsisdos: The My Little Pony Killer: Why are feminists sneering at a woman making her own choices in life?

A woman taking a man's surname is clear evidence of patriarchal oppression, duh

Oh, I forgot that Subby has learned everything he knows about feminists from Tumblr.  My bad.

Not sure how many feminists you know, but I've met several that think this way; they scream about women's choice, then belittle the ones who choose 'wrongly'.

And yet, amazingly, with tens of thousands of people posting on Fark including thousands of feminists, we've never seen one in person and only have anecdotes like yours about these mythical screaming and belittling activists, and not even blurry footage a la Bigfoot. But I'm sure you're different and your alleged feminists totally exist and aliens really did probe you and you weren't just drinking and trying to ride your truck's stick shift.

Well there's you.


Really? When have I "scream[ed] about women's choice, then belittle[d] the ones who choose 'wrongly'"? Or are you trying to move the goalposts because you can't actually find a single instance of that?

Remember in that "Oklahoma City hate crimes thread" where you all but accused some guy of being involved because you didn't like his opinion? And then it turned out that the whole thing was faked?

Good times...


Yep, you are. Worthy attempt, but a total fail.

And no, it wasn't "because I didn't like his opinion", but rather than he showed up three times over 15 minutes, not responding to anyone, to post single sentence statements about how the victim deserved it. And yeah, wanting someone to look that up in that context is not at all unreasonable, and I stand by it.
 
2013-01-29 08:02:39 PM  

adamatari: Funny, that study didn't even bother to give the option of "man stays at home". Seems biased to me.


Women will dump a man who tries to stay at home and take care of the children, because he's "lazy."

/no, it's not "lazy" for women to do it, it's "tragic"
//has the tits, makes the rules, etc.
 
2013-01-29 08:19:29 PM  
i987.photobucket.com
/How am I the first with this?
 
2013-01-29 08:34:49 PM  
A friend of my wife got married recently. I addressed her as Mrs. (Husband's last name). She defiantly corrected with the hyphenate.

"So you are showing your female independence by keeping a name you got from different man?"

Makes no sense to me.
 
2013-01-29 08:37:44 PM  

Theaetetus: And no, it wasn't "because I didn't like his opinion", but rather than he showed up three times over 15 minutes, not responding to anyone, to post single sentence statements about how the victim deserved it. And yeah, wanting someone to look that up in that context is not at all unreasonable, and I stand by it.


You're very good at the language game, I'll give you that. The woman faked her own "torture", yet you still refer to her as the "victim".
 
2013-01-29 09:05:19 PM  

s2s2s2: A friend of my wife got married recently. I addressed her as Mrs. (Husband's last name). She defiantly corrected with the hyphenate.

"So you are showing your female independence by keeping a name you got from different man?"

Makes no sense to me.


Whenever a woman corrects me with her married name I scream, "I'm not calling you by your slave name!", so I guess it swings both ways.
 
2013-01-29 09:23:57 PM  

WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: And no, it wasn't "because I didn't like his opinion", but rather than he showed up three times over 15 minutes, not responding to anyone, to post single sentence statements about how the victim deserved it. And yeah, wanting someone to look that up in that context is not at all unreasonable, and I stand by it.

You're very good at the language game, I'll give you that. The woman faked her own "torture", yet you still refer to her as the "victim".


You're very good at the unsupported accusation and goalpost moving, getting called on it, and doubling down on your trolling by cutting off half the response you're replying to game.

Oh, wait, no. You suck at it, troll.
 
2013-01-29 11:14:37 PM  

Theaetetus: WhippingBoy: Theaetetus: And no, it wasn't "because I didn't like his opinion", but rather than he showed up three times over 15 minutes, not responding to anyone, to post single sentence statements about how the victim deserved it. And yeah, wanting someone to look that up in that context is not at all unreasonable, and I stand by it.

You're very good at the language game, I'll give you that. The woman faked her own "torture", yet you still refer to her as the "victim".

You're very good at the unsupported accusation and goalpost moving, getting called on it, and doubling down on your trolling by cutting off half the response you're replying to game.

Oh, wait, no. You suck at it, troll.


Oh noes! I've been called out! Time to wear sackcloth and reexamine the remains of my tattered, pathetic little life! Thank you for showing me the error of my ways... Thank you and God bless...
 
2013-01-29 11:57:08 PM  
The minister who married my husband & I was herself married to another minister. When they married, they both took both names. The flow of the sound of the names worked best to have his pre-married name first then hers. Neither of their congregations seemed to have a problem with it, nor did the State of Oregon. I do see from the linked article that we're one of a few states with a policy of "Meh, do whatever you want."

We lost track of them over the years. I have always wondered if they went on to have children. If their children married others with hyphenated names and kept all the names they'd have a real mouthful!
 
2013-01-30 11:27:55 PM  

NotARocketScientist: I get the feeling feminists are coonts with severe penis envy,...

Who are these cartoonish feminists that you refer to?
Every woman I know is a feminist (ie believes that women have the same rights as men) and none of them are like this. I have never met a woman like this. It is probably just another stereo type created by the Rush/Faux news crowd that insecure males adopted.

Kept my own name when I got married. Explained my reasoning to family and inlaws and no-one else has ever had a problem with it.


you should see some of the feminists at my college talk. they blame men for "destroying the planet" "rape culture" and "patriarchy." i find it amazing that these things are said in an institution were 60% of the student body is female (that number is as high as it is because of this http://www.amazon.com/The-War-Against-Boys-Misguided/dp/0684849569.)

everyone believes in equal rights for women. feminists do not believe in that. feminists believe in portraying women as victims in order to secure preferential treatment.
 
2013-01-30 11:34:06 PM  
these are the types of feminists that people see in real life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0
 
2013-02-01 09:38:52 AM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: these are the types of feminists that people see in real life. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iARHCxAMAO0


You sound oppressed.
 
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