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(The Ledger)   Man spits on grass after refusing pat-down. Backup officer spits on grass after arriving on scene. Guess which one spent the night in jail for spitting on the grass?   (theledger.com) divider line 23
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2013-01-29 11:14:49 AM  
4 votes:

abhorrent1: If you have nothing to hide -let them pat you down and be on your way.


There's always one.

Sigh.
rpm
2013-01-29 11:15:21 AM  
3 votes:

abhorrent1: If you have nothing to hide -let them pat you down and be on your way.


No.
2013-01-29 12:14:41 PM  
2 votes:
I love the new "Government can do no wrong" attitude that many display. It's not like Uncle Sam ever trampled on the rights of slaves, black, minorities, gays, protesters, or anyone else that "had it coming". These are the same people who like to pretend America doesn't have the highest incarceration rate on Earth.
2013-01-29 11:40:27 AM  
2 votes:

Too Pretty For Prison: AverageAmericanGuy: The guy seems like an asshole. I'm not saying we should lock up assholes (god knows I'd be the first on the block to be taken away), but people should try not to be assholes, especially around cops.

And chewing tobacco is a farking nasty habit. I've never met someone who used chewing tobacco that didn't need a beatdown.

The guy is absolutely an asshole. BUT - he was just out walking in his neighborhood. That's not illegal or a reason to have his 4th Amendment Rights shiat on. The dipshiat cop was abusing his power (gee, go figure). A slap on the wrist to "write a paper" is complete horseshiat. About 3 weeks ago, I was in my front yard with my dog. A cop drove by, rolled down his window, chatted with me why I was out at 3:00 a.m. He explained there was a car break-in a few nights earlier (we don't have much crime), told me to have a good night and drove on. That's reasonable. If he had told me to empty my pockets I would be in an article on Fark too for being an asshole, just like this guy.


Why is the guy an asshole? Is it because of the chewing tobacco? Or is it because he had the gall to loudly complain when police ran roughshod over his rights?

I think he was brave for taking a stand and not meekly submitting, as the vast majority of people in his situation would do. I see nothing in the article that warrants criticism of him.
2013-01-29 11:08:21 AM  
2 votes:
Seriously? Spitting on the grass? What is this, Singapore?
2013-01-29 03:08:32 PM  
1 votes:

Dirtybird971: fredklein

tukatz: Yet they had the right to search him and, if he would have just cooperated, he would have been on his merry way a few minutes later.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/t/terry-stop/


Um, first sentence: "A "Terry Stop" is a stop of a person by law enforcement officers based upon "reasonable suspicion" that a person may have been engaged in criminal activity..."

What criminal activity did the cop 'reasonably suspect' he was engaged in??

walking at night, breaking curfew, and eventually not obeying a policeman's direct order.


Walking at night is perfectly legal and does not make you a suspect.

A quick look online says that there isn't a curfew for adults in that area.

If a policeman told you to suck his cock (a "direct order") would you obey?
2013-01-29 02:52:29 PM  
1 votes:
fredklein

tukatz: Yet they had the right to search him and, if he would have just cooperated, he would have been on his merry way a few minutes later.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/t/terry-stop/


Um, first sentence: "A "Terry Stop" is a stop of a person by law enforcement officers based upon "reasonable suspicion" that a person may have been engaged in criminal activity..."

What criminal activity did the cop 'reasonably suspect' he was engaged in??


walking at night, breaking curfew, and eventually not obeying a policeman's direct order.
2013-01-29 02:51:00 PM  
1 votes:
Noticeably F.A.T.: BarkingUnicorn

And I have to note I found this quite amusing for some reason.
2013-01-29 02:36:18 PM  
1 votes:
Is there an archive somewhere of these inumerable cop-being-law-breaking-asshole stories?
2013-01-29 02:13:28 PM  
1 votes:
NightOwl2255:

The cops have to have "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity to initiate a Terry Stop. The problem is, literally walking down the street can give a cop "reasonable suspicion" when you take into account the time, the area and if there's been criminal activity in the area. The fact is, the cops know exactly what to say to invoke "reasonable suspicion". The 4th has been dismantled.

See Illinois v Wardlow.  "An individual's presence in an area of expected criminal activity, standing alone, is not enough to support a reasonable, particularized suspicion that the person is committing a crime."
2013-01-29 01:38:33 PM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: .2. Neither cop read the guy his Miranda rights after the arrest.


Only applies to interrogations. If they weren't going to question him (and in this case, question him for what? They caught him red handed at what they arrested him for), then there is no need to read him his rights.
2013-01-29 01:07:46 PM  
1 votes:

The Larch: Dirtybird971: According to the law, a law enforcement officer can stop and search someone who committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime.

So the cops are psychic now?

Reporters are lawyers now? That's not the criteria for a Terry Stop. The reporter just stuck that in their because he had a half hour to write a 500 word article, and he half remembered that maybe somebody told him something like that once. The editor left it in there because he's stuck in a dead-end job working as an editor for a dying newspaper in a shiathole town, and the bottle of vodka he keeps in his bottom drawer makes it easy not to think too hard about any of it.


The cops have to have "reasonable suspicion" of criminal activity to initiate a Terry Stop. The problem is, literally walking down the street can give a cop "reasonable suspicion" when you take into account the time, the area and if there's been criminal activity in the area. The fact is, the cops know exactly what to say to invoke "reasonable suspicion". The 4th has been dismantled.
2013-01-29 12:59:11 PM  
1 votes:

clane: Oh goodness you hurl an insult then call anyone that disagrees with you a troll how original... see my profile for an explanation as to why you do that.


Let's take a look at this posters (a known, proven liar) work in this thread.
About 5 post into the thread, which has nothing to do with politics, clane takes a big ol' threadshiat dropping this duce:

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat....


When called a troll, which is true, as proven by work in many threads, pulls the tired old "that's what you libs always call me" routine. If it walks like a duck...

Funny thing is, it's conservatives that lick the badge and allow the police more "power" at the expense of personal freedom.
2013-01-29 12:03:29 PM  
1 votes:

Too Pretty For Prison: Most police were obnoxious fat kids who were picked on.


Pretty much this. Officers come from two backgrounds: bullies who never grew up, and the bullied who figured out that they can be the bullies.

Sure, there is the occasional naive guy who "wants to make a difference", but they burn out quick.
2013-01-29 11:41:56 AM  
1 votes:

Too Pretty For Prison: AverageAmericanGuy: The guy seems like an asshole. I'm not saying we should lock up assholes (god knows I'd be the first on the block to be taken away), but people should try not to be assholes, especially around cops.

And chewing tobacco is a farking nasty habit. I've never met someone who used chewing tobacco that didn't need a beatdown.

The guy is absolutely an asshole. BUT - he was just out walking in his neighborhood. That's not illegal or a reason to have his 4th Amendment Rights shiat on. The dipshiat cop was abusing his power (gee, go figure). A slap on the wrist to "write a paper" is complete horseshiat. About 3 weeks ago, I was in my front yard with my dog. A cop drove by, rolled down his window, chatted with me why I was out at 3:00 a.m. He explained there was a car break-in a few nights earlier (we don't have much crime), told me to have a good night and drove on. That's reasonable. If he had told me to empty my pockets I would be in an article on Fark too for being an asshole, just like this guy.


THIS x 100. All of this was escalated because Mr. Citizen questioned the Po-po. 100% abuse of power.
2013-01-29 11:25:37 AM  
1 votes:

clane: and yall keep voting Democrat....


Great point. if Lakeland had voted in any Democrats, it may have even made sense rather than sounding like a pathetic partisan hack attack. Do keep trying though. Once day you'll get it.
2013-01-29 11:24:18 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: The guy seems like an asshole. I'm not saying we should lock up assholes (god knows I'd be the first on the block to be taken away), but people should try not to be assholes, especially around cops.

And chewing tobacco is a farking nasty habit. I've never met someone who used chewing tobacco that didn't need a beatdown.


The guy is absolutely an asshole. BUT - he was just out walking in his neighborhood. That's not illegal or a reason to have his 4th Amendment Rights shiat on. The dipshiat cop was abusing his power (gee, go figure). A slap on the wrist to "write a paper" is complete horseshiat. About 3 weeks ago, I was in my front yard with my dog. A cop drove by, rolled down his window, chatted with me why I was out at 3:00 a.m. He explained there was a car break-in a few nights earlier (we don't have much crime), told me to have a good night and drove on. That's reasonable. If he had told me to empty my pockets I would be in an article on Fark too for being an asshole, just like this guy.
m00
2013-01-29 11:17:57 AM  
1 votes:
"Anderson wrote in a report that he saw a bulge in Stoiber's shorts that he thought "was large enough to conceal a weapon, including a handgun." It turned out to be his wallet, a can of Grizzly snuff and keys."


The officers should have just shot him the moment they saw something that possibly, maybe, could be a firearm. You know, to ensure the safety of the officers.
2013-01-29 11:17:37 AM  
1 votes:

abhorrent1: If you have nothing to hide -let them pat you down and be on your way.


That works for me, when do I get to pat down the government for their secrets?
2013-01-29 11:17:10 AM  
1 votes:

abhorrent1: If you have nothing to hide -let them pat you down and be on your way.


If only more citizens were like you and knew their place. Most police were obnoxious fat kids who were picked on. They finally have power now and want to exercise it. If only everyone would realize it the way you do and comply.
2013-01-29 11:12:34 AM  
1 votes:
and yall keep voting Democrat....
2013-01-29 11:12:34 AM  
1 votes:
What good is a police state if you can't randomly arrest law abiding citizens?
2013-01-29 11:11:14 AM  
1 votes:
Contempt of cop is usually a beatable offense.
 
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