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(The New York Times)   Antigua: Land of the sun, sand, and super cheap downloads   (nytimes.com) divider line 28
    More: Scary, Antigua, Caribbean, trade policies, World Trade Organization, sand  
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2013-01-29 09:59:33 AM  
i've been saying for years that the next best way to get back at the US is to just flat out ignore our copyright laws and let your citizens download like mad.  the hell with terrorism...just tell our corporations to f*ck off and let anyone with a net connection know they can download on a whim.  THAT will piss off the US government far and beyond what any terrorist attack could ever have done.
 
2013-01-29 10:58:17 AM  

Weaver95: i've been saying for years that the next best way to get back at the US is to just flat out ignore our copyright laws and let your citizens download like mad.  the hell with terrorism...just tell our corporations to f*ck off and let anyone with a net connection know they can download on a whim.  THAT will piss off the US government far and beyond what any terrorist attack could ever have done.


I hope they are behind like, 7 proxies.
 
2013-01-29 11:03:28 AM  

Weaver95: i've been saying for years that the next best way to get back at the US is to just flat out ignore our copyright laws and let your citizens download like mad.  the hell with terrorism...just tell our corporations to f*ck off and let anyone with a net connection know they can download on a whim.  THAT will piss off the US government far and beyond what any terrorist attack could ever have done.


Yeah, and it's a great way to get all sorts of trade embargoes against you.
No, there are ways to accomplish the same thing that are legal under the applicable international treaties (TRIPS, Berne, Paris, etc.), basically involving stripping your own citizens of any IP rights so that you aren't required to give any protection to foreign entities. You'll still piss off the US, but then if they take action against you, you can complain to WIPO and the WTO.
 
2013-01-29 11:17:25 AM  

Theaetetus: Weaver95: i've been saying for years that the next best way to get back at the US is to just flat out ignore our copyright laws and let your citizens download like mad.  the hell with terrorism...just tell our corporations to f*ck off and let anyone with a net connection know they can download on a whim.  THAT will piss off the US government far and beyond what any terrorist attack could ever have done.

Yeah, and it's a great way to get all sorts of trade embargoes against you.
No, there are ways to accomplish the same thing that are legal under the applicable international treaties (TRIPS, Berne, Paris, etc.), basically involving stripping your own citizens of any IP rights so that you aren't required to give any protection to foreign entities. You'll still piss off the US, but then if they take action against you, you can complain to WIPO and the WTO.

On Monday, a dispute settlement body in Geneva gave Antigua and Barbuda the nod to, in essence, violate American intellectual property rights to make up its losses, calculated at $21 million a year.

On Monday, the World Trade Organization gave its go-ahead for Antigua and Barbuda's tentative plan.


Yeah, this seems a bit more complex than assuming Antigua will have to be forced to shut it down.
 
2013-01-29 11:37:02 AM  
...And Kim DotCom begins to build a datacenter in Antigua.
 
2013-01-29 12:07:38 PM  
The root of this is the law in the US that bans internet poker (many sites which were based in these nations). The goal here seems to be to get the US software, movie, and music industries to pressure Congress to legalize internet poker, as opposed to actually going through with a government run pirate file sharing site.
 
2013-01-29 12:08:34 PM  
Scary? This is awesome!

DC morans heads must be spinning.
 
2013-01-29 12:08:52 PM  
All this is going to do is fuel the push for government requirements that US data providers screen their users for illegal purposes.

As far as their threat to watch illegal movies etc (by the locals), who cares. China already does it. It won't have a noticable effect on Hollywood. And it will ensure that nobody ever films a film there again or does any writing or artistic anything. It even opens up any code written there to be flat out copied. Anybody can replicate entire webpages.

Good IP protection is a boost to an economy not a detriment.
 
2013-01-29 12:09:03 PM  

Geotpf: The root of this is the law in the US that bans internet poker (many sites which were based in these nations). The goal here seems to be to get the US software, movie, and music industries to pressure Congress to legalize internet poker, as opposed to actually going through with a government run pirate file sharing site.


We're hoping the US calls their bluff. How many hours would it take for RIAA/MPAA to break? 12? 2?
 
2013-01-29 12:21:27 PM  
I wonder how their internet connectivity with the outside world works. I mean worked.
 
Xai
2013-01-29 01:04:39 PM  
So a nation is legally setting up a site to sell things which would be illegal in some other country.

In other news: US companies are set up to break north Korean laws!
 
2013-01-29 01:09:25 PM  
"We are disappointed with Antigua and Barbuda's decision to abandon constructive settlement discussions," Nkenge Harmon, a spokeswoman for the United States trade representative, said in an e-mail

The dispute is 10 years old. If you can't talk something out in that amount of time, you're obviously doing it wrong.
 
xcv
2013-01-29 01:27:23 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "We are disappointed with Antigua and Barbuda's decision to abandon constructive settlement discussions," Nkenge Harmon, a spokeswoman for the United States trade representative, said in an e-mail


Of course we'll bundle our MorganNet software with the new network nodes! Our customers expect no less of us. We have never sought to become a monopoly. Our products are simply so good that no one feels the need to compete with us. --Where do you want your Node today?

- CEO Nwabudike Morgan


Some civilian workers got in among the research patients today and became so hysterical I felt compelled to have them nerve stapled. The consequence, of course, will be another public relations nightmare, but I was severely shaken by the extent of their revulsion towards a project so vital to our survival.

- CEO Nwabudike Morgan, The Personal Diaries
 
2013-01-29 01:30:40 PM  
Antigua is just pursuing a perfectly legal avenue under Article 22 of the WTO Dispute Resolution Settlement. Dear big countries, don't enter into free-trade agreements or other such treaties and then scoff when part of the agreement might not be entirely in your best interests.
 
2013-01-29 01:51:42 PM  
On Monday, a dispute settlement body in Geneva gave Antigua and Barbuda the nod to, in essence, violate American intellectual property rights to make up its losses, calculated at $21 million a year.

$21 million? So they'll be able to distribute, what, about four songs per year?
 
2013-01-29 02:30:06 PM  
10 years feuding, and I still have never heard a single, valid argument as to why the US Government felt it was necessary to go out of it's way to ban online gambling. I really hope this turns that stupid law on it's head.
 
2013-01-29 02:58:52 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: "We are disappointed with Antigua and Barbuda's decision to abandon constructive settlement discussions," Nkenge Harmon, a spokeswoman for the United States trade representative, said in an e-mail

The dispute is 10 years old. If you can't talk something out in that amount of time, you're obviously doing it wrong.


Reading another article on this subject the other day I read that the Antiguan negotiators said that the Americans have talked to them more in the last week than they have in the last ten years. This is working. Now.
 
2013-01-29 03:37:57 PM  

gochuck: Antigua is just pursuing a perfectly legal avenue under Article 22 of the WTO Dispute Resolution Settlement. Dear big countries, don't enter into free-trade agreements or other such treaties and then scoff when part of the agreement might not be entirely in your best interests.


The hilarious part is, and the article even pointed this out. That it was the USA itself that pushed to have this type of retribution available to use against countries that would not cooperate. And here we are likely the first time it will be used in a peaceful manner and its the USA getting boned.
 
2013-01-29 03:41:02 PM  

Driedsponge: 10 years feuding, and I still have never heard a single, valid argument as to why the US Government felt it was necessary to go out of it's way to ban online gambling. I really hope this turns that stupid law on it's head.


I am not going to say its a valid arguement, however I am sure it has something to do with taxes and the lost perceived revenue to places like vegas and atlantic city. Now most of those places dont actually have sites up and running like the ones in the carribean so its hard to argue that they are losing anything when they arent even in the market to begin with.
 
2013-01-29 04:49:10 PM  
Fark the US government.

That is all.
 
2013-01-29 05:11:55 PM  

xcv: Marcus Aurelius: "We are disappointed with Antigua and Barbuda's decision to abandon constructive settlement discussions," Nkenge Harmon, a spokeswoman for the United States trade representative, said in an e-mail

Of course we'll bundle our MorganNet software with the new network nodes! Our customers expect no less of us. We have never sought to become a monopoly. Our products are simply so good that no one feels the need to compete with us. --Where do you want your Node today?

- CEO Nwabudike Morgan


Some civilian workers got in among the research patients today and became so hysterical I felt compelled to have them nerve stapled. The consequence, of course, will be another public relations nightmare, but I was severely shaken by the extent of their revulsion towards a project so vital to our survival.

- CEO Nwabudike Morgan, The Personal Diaries


best game of all time
 
2013-01-29 06:24:19 PM  
If Antigua had more guns, internet gambling would be legal.
 
2013-01-29 09:25:51 PM  
How exactly would anything involving copyright loopholes rate the SCARY tag?
 
2013-01-29 09:41:11 PM  
plcow

All this is going to do is fuel the push for government requirements that US data providers screen their users for illegal purposes.

As far as their threat to watch illegal movies etc (by the locals), who cares. China already does it. It won't have a noticable effect on Hollywood. And it will ensure that nobody ever films a film there again or does any writing or artistic anything. It even opens up any code written there to be flat out copied. Anybody can replicate entire webpages.

Good IP protection is a boost to an economy not a detriment.

hahaha you mayy just want to educate yourself a tad before you go making ignorant blanket statements like that.
Johanna Blakley: Lessons from fashion's free culture
 
2013-01-29 11:50:08 PM  
Welcome to Obama's Antigua.
 
2013-01-30 05:41:35 AM  

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: How exactly would anything involving copyright loopholes rate the SCARY tag?


It's SCARY about like seeing the meteor coming would have been SCARY to the dinosaurs.

The US govt's position on copyright - of locking all new human culture, and if the mafiaa gets its way all culture period, up forever - can only be described as insane.
 
2013-01-30 01:30:37 PM  

Driedsponge: 10 years feuding, and I still have never heard a single, valid argument as to why the US Government felt it was necessary to go out of it's way to ban online gambling. I really hope this turns that stupid law on it's head.


Because Republicans don't like things they think are "sins".

(Yeah, yeah, the crackdown came under Obama, but the law actually banning it was randomly inserted by culturally conservative House Republicans into a "must pass" spending bill.)
 
2013-02-01 04:23:39 AM  
"Trade experts said that Antigua and Barbuda's plan for retribution seemed designed to provoke American filmmakers and recording artists into pushing for Congress to allow foreign Internet gambling sites to serve American customers"


This would be hilarious.

So we would basically have some pissant little country in the Carribean forcing the Hollywood film industry to bribe the great government of the United States of America to legalize gambling.
 
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