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2013-01-29 10:09:17 AM
Obama reduces size of federal government.......and conservatives complain. The man is a grandmaster troll.
 
2013-01-29 10:12:55 AM

Citrate1007: Obama reduces size of federal government.......and conservatives complain. The man is a grandmaster troll.


Can the rest of still be pissed that he's blowing smoke up our asses on this issue?
 
2013-01-29 10:14:02 AM
Why don't we start calling it guano? If enough peope do, maybe the government will give it back to Cuba.
 
2013-01-29 10:14:37 AM

spacelord321: Citrate1007: Obama reduces size of federal government.......and conservatives complain. The man is a grandmaster troll.

Can the rest of us still be pissed that he's blowing smoke up our asses on this issue?


FTFM
 
2013-01-29 10:23:01 AM
I called it out as bullsh*t the day he signed the EO and everyone told me to have faith.  I told them to be realistic.

But sure, I'm the dumb one.
 
2013-01-29 10:23:16 AM

spacelord321: Citrate1007: Obama reduces size of federal government.......and conservatives complain. The man is a grandmaster troll.

Can the rest of still be pissed that he's blowing smoke up our asses on this issue?


It appears clear what happened, just like what happens nearly any time someone runs for president the first time. They make a lot of promises based on incomplete information and telling Americans what they wanted to hear. I'm sure he had every intent of closing the Gitmo prison when he took office. Then the first day on the job, he got the inside tour we never get to see - intelligence briefings, strategic plans, profiles on who is held there, the other 500 issues that the public may or may not know about, and immediately, he realizes he can't close it, for whatever reason. Obviously, we don't know the reason why. But something changed his mind on day one, and he's had to dodge around it ever since.
 
2013-01-29 10:29:00 AM
they should just change the name of the facility, people won't know the difference. Carlin said it best


Sometime during my life, toilet paper became bathroom tissue. I wasn't notified of this. No one asked me if I agreed with it. It just happened. Toilet paper became bathroom tissue. Sneakers became running shoes. False teeth became dental appliances. Medicine became medication. Information became directory assistance. The dump became the landfill. Car crashes became automobile accidents. Partly cloudy became partly sunny. Motels became motor lodges. House trailers became mobile homes. Used cars became previously owned transportation. Room service became guest-room dining. And constipation became occasional irregularity. When I was a little kid, if I got sick they wanted me to go to the hospital and see a doctor. Now they want me to go to a health maintenance organization...or a wellness center to consult a healthcare delivery professional. Poor people used to live in slums. Now the economically disadvantaged occupy substandard housing in the inner cities. And they're broke! They're broke! They don't have a negative cash-flow position. They're farking broke! Cause a lot of them were fired. You know, fired. management wanted to curtail redundancies in the human resources area, so many people are no longer viable members of the workforce.

Smug, greedy, well-fed white people have invented a language to conceal their sins. It's as simple as that. The CIA doesn't kill anybody anymore, they neutralize people...or they depopulate the area. The government doesn't lie, it engages in disinformation. The pentagon actually measures nuclear radiation in something they call sunshine units. Israeli murderers are called commandos. Arab commandos are called terrorists. Contra killers are called freedom fighters.

/miss ya carlin
 
2013-01-29 10:29:20 AM

Khellendros: spacelord321: Citrate1007: Obama reduces size of federal government.......and conservatives complain. The man is a grandmaster troll.

Can the rest of still be pissed that he's blowing smoke up our asses on this issue?

It appears clear what happened, just like what happens nearly any time someone runs for president the first time. They make a lot of promises based on incomplete information and telling Americans what they wanted to hear. I'm sure he had every intent of closing the Gitmo prison when he took office. Then the first day on the job, he got the inside tour we never get to see - intelligence briefings, strategic plans, profiles on who is held there, the other 500 issues that the public may or may not know about, and immediately, he realizes he can't close it, for whatever reason. Obviously, we don't know the reason why. But something changed his mind on day one, and he's had to dodge around it ever since.


Perhaps signing an Executive Order that you're going to close a major military facility holding purported terrorists before you have all of the information is a bit unwise.
 
2013-01-29 10:29:46 AM
Great headline, but, please, no llamas; that might give me a seizure.
 
2013-01-29 10:30:32 AM
shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lets not talk about that
i185.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-29 10:33:16 AM
I'm sure people realize that an executive order to carry this out was signed years ago and the House of Representatives defunded it to prevent it from happening, right?

Of course you did.

Back under your bridges, Fox News viewers.
 
2013-01-29 10:36:00 AM
But, but, he PROMISED that he'd close it!!

Oh, you mean he's a lying sack of crap?

Well then, I'll just return to my prepping.
 
2013-01-29 10:38:12 AM
NYTimes story link, in case you don't want to get your mouse dirty.
 
2013-01-29 10:40:24 AM

Dog Welder: I'm sure people realize that an executive order to carry this out was signed years ago and the House of Representatives defunded it to prevent it from happening, right?

Of course you did.

Back under your bridges, Fox News viewers.


Hey now mister, this is Fark, there ain't no readin' or thinkin' on this site!
 
2013-01-29 10:45:49 AM
upload.wikimedia.org

Why should Obama close Gtimo, or end the wars, or do any of the truly decent things he promised, when simply talking about doing these things is enough to get him credit?
 
2013-01-29 10:47:43 AM
Obama had a window to do pretty much anything when he took office as Democrats had the house and a supermajority in the senate until Scott Brown took office in Feb 2010.

He had enough votes to push through Obamacare with no Republican support but couldn't get enough votes to close Gitmo? Something doesn't seem to add up for me. I don't know where the blame falls but I don't think it is 100% Republican in this case because it looks like they had the power but not the will to follow through.
 
2013-01-29 10:50:40 AM

PrivateCaboose: Khellendros: spacelord321: Citrate1007: Obama reduces size of federal government.......and conservatives complain. The man is a grandmaster troll.

Can the rest of still be pissed that he's blowing smoke up our asses on this issue?

It appears clear what happened, just like what happens nearly any time someone runs for president the first time. They make a lot of promises based on incomplete information and telling Americans what they wanted to hear. I'm sure he had every intent of closing the Gitmo prison when he took office. Then the first day on the job, he got the inside tour we never get to see - intelligence briefings, strategic plans, profiles on who is held there, the other 500 issues that the public may or may not know about, and immediately, he realizes he can't close it, for whatever reason. Obviously, we don't know the reason why. But something changed his mind on day one, and he's had to dodge around it ever since.

Perhaps signing an Executive Order that you're going to close a major military facility holding purported terrorists before you have all of the information is a bit unwise.


Absolutely. He spent months saying that's what he was going to do on day one. He backed himself into a corner, then realized he couldn't deliver once he reviewed the facts. Talking about national security during (first) campaign is just asking for trouble. You're never in the "know", you don't have even one tenth of the facts, and the public knows the buck stops with you.

You can make all the economic proposals you want - Congress can ignore them or follow them. If they fall apart, not your problem if you they reject the proposal. You did your job. You can make all of the social policy promises you want - the judiciary is going to review them as they come through the courts. If they overturn/uphold something you campaign against, that's the way it goes. You pushed the way you said you'd push. But national security is pretty much in the control of the Executive branch. You make promises on that one, you're the one holding the bag at the end if it goes wrong.
 
2013-01-29 10:56:48 AM
What is the problem with shutting Gitmo down? Obama already has his "KILL List" Just put their names on the list, kill them and bring the guards home. He doesn't even need to spend weeks or months looking for them, he knows exactly where they are. What is the difference between shooting helpless prisoners and sending a drone strike against a wedding party except there are no Women and CHILDREN to get killed as "collateral damage". Why does no one in this regime THINK OF THE CHILDREN?
 
2013-01-29 11:01:51 AM

mrvandalay: Obama had a window to do pretty much anything when he took office as Democrats had the house and a supermajority in the senate until Scott Brown took office in Feb 2010.

He had enough votes to push through Obamacare with no Republican support but couldn't get enough votes to close Gitmo? Something doesn't seem to add up for me. I don't know where the blame falls but I don't think it is 100% Republican in this case because it looks like they had the power but not the will to follow through.


I figure his briefings from the DOD and various defence intelligence agencies played a part in this. New Presidents have limited prior access to the real skinny from those people.
 
2013-01-29 11:05:28 AM

Citrate1007: Obama reduces size of federal government.......and conservatives complain. The man is a grandmaster troll.


Obama reduces size of federal government and it rains donuts
 
2013-01-29 11:09:40 AM

mrvandalay: Obama had a window to do pretty much anything when he took office as Democrats had the house and a supermajority in the senate until Scott Brown took office in Feb 2010.

He had enough votes to push through Obamacare with no Republican support but couldn't get enough votes to close Gitmo? Something doesn't seem to add up for me. I don't know where the blame falls but I don't think it is 100% Republican in this case because it looks like they had the power but not the will to follow through.


If they closed GITMO, the prisoners have to go somewhere.  Release them?  Or put them in Terre Haute Indiana, New York, California....yeah...that wasn't going to happen.
 
2013-01-29 11:09:55 AM

Khellendros: spacelord321: Citrate1007: Obama reduces size of federal government.......and conservatives complain. The man is a grandmaster troll.

Can the rest of still be pissed that he's blowing smoke up our asses on this issue?

It appears clear what happened, just like what happens nearly any time someone runs for president the first time. They make a lot of promises based on incomplete information and telling Americans what they wanted to hear. I'm sure he had every intent of closing the Gitmo prison when he took office. Then the first day on the job, he got the inside tour we never get to see - intelligence briefings, strategic plans, profiles on who is held there, the other 500 issues that the public may or may not know about, and immediately, he realizes he can't close it, for whatever reason. Obviously, we don't know the reason why. But something changed his mind on day one, and he's had to dodge around it ever since.


No, the American people had a hysterical panic attack when he actually began to act. He ordered the prison closed, Congress defunded that effort, with huge backing from the electorate. It's not Obama's fault that most Americans are pantswetting cowards when it comes to turrism.
 
2013-01-29 11:10:47 AM
FTFA:

Mr. Fried's special envoy post was created in 2009, shortly after Mr. Obama took office and promised to close the prison in his first year. A career diplomat, Mr. Fried traveled the world negotiating the repatriation of some 31 low-level detainees and persuading third-party countries to resettle about 40 who were cleared for release but could not be sent home because of fears of abuse.

But the outward flow of detainees slowed almost to a halt as Congress imposed restrictions on further transfers, leaving Mr. Fried with less to do. He was eventually assigned to work on resettling a group of Iranian exiles, known as the M.E.K., who were living in a refugee camp in Iraq, in addition to his Guantánamo duties.

...

Besides barring the transfer of any detainees into the United States for prosecution or continued detention, lawmakers prohibited transferring them to other countries with troubled security conditions, like Yemen or Sudan. In the most recent defense authorization act, enacted late last year, lawmakers extended those restrictions and expanded them to cover even detainees scheduled to be repatriated under a plea deal with military prosecutors.


But it's Obama's fault that Gitmo is still open, not Congress.
 
2013-01-29 11:12:23 AM

PrivateCaboose: I called it out as bullsh*t the day he signed the EO and everyone told me to have faith.  I told them to be realistic.

But sure, I'm the dumb one.


Something something broken clock, something something twice a day, something something.


/I kid
//sorry, low hanging fruit
///couldn't help myself
 
2013-01-29 11:14:43 AM
Well I'm not surprised, with all the møøse bites going on there.

/They kan be pretty nasti
 
2013-01-29 11:22:07 AM
Well, all that's left is to bring in the llamas.

i249.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-29 11:25:41 AM

Khellendros: spacelord321: Citrate1007: Obama reduces size of federal government.......and conservatives complain. The man is a grandmaster troll.

Can the rest of still be pissed that he's blowing smoke up our asses on this issue?

It appears clear what happened, just like what happens nearly any time someone runs for president the first time. They make a lot of promises based on incomplete information and telling Americans what they wanted to hear. I'm sure he had every intent of closing the Gitmo prison when he took office. Then the first day on the job, he got the inside tour we never get to see - intelligence briefings, strategic plans, profiles on who is held there, the other 500 issues that the public may or may not know about, and immediately, he realizes he can't close it, for whatever reason. Obviously, we don't know the reason why. But something changed his mind on day one, and he's had to dodge around it ever since.


But let's all armchair-quarterback over here in Farkland and call nObama a hypocrite of highest order.

Seriously, though. The hard part is that we, the general public, have no way of knowing whether what goes on inside of government is truly done for our best interests, or if the government is simply just trying to snow us. Considering the history of governments in general, though, I'd be inclined to believe the latter. But, I also cannot discount that Obama, once in office, discovered things that he didn't realize before; and now that he's IN, he can't exactly tell us all the gory details. The reasons may be legitimate. They may not be. There's no way to ever really know.
 
2013-01-29 11:54:37 AM

xanadian: Khellendros: spacelord321: Citrate1007: Obama reduces size of federal government.......and conservatives complain. The man is a grandmaster troll.

Can the rest of still be pissed that he's blowing smoke up our asses on this issue?

It appears clear what happened, just like what happens nearly any time someone runs for president the first time. They make a lot of promises based on incomplete information and telling Americans what they wanted to hear. I'm sure he had every intent of closing the Gitmo prison when he took office. Then the first day on the job, he got the inside tour we never get to see - intelligence briefings, strategic plans, profiles on who is held there, the other 500 issues that the public may or may not know about, and immediately, he realizes he can't close it, for whatever reason. Obviously, we don't know the reason why. But something changed his mind on day one, and he's had to dodge around it ever since.

But let's all armchair-quarterback over here in Farkland and call nObama a hypocrite of highest order.

Seriously, though. The hard part is that we, the general public, have no way of knowing whether what goes on inside of government is truly done for our best interests, or if the government is simply just trying to snow us. Considering the history of governments in general, though, I'd be inclined to believe the latter. But, I also cannot discount that Obama, once in office, discovered things that he didn't realize before; and now that he's IN, he can't exactly tell us all the gory details. The reasons may be legitimate. They may not be. There's no way to ever really know.


Obama made an executive order closing Guantanamo, it didn't close because it is impossible for the United States of America as it is to do so, simple as that.
 
2013-01-29 11:57:28 AM
Wow, so are the people blaming Obama for GITMO still being open serious? Do none of them actually remember the NIMBYers and various others blocking all attempts to transfer prisoners so it could be shut down? That it was actually defunded in large part due to Republicans and Blue Dogs?

Holy hell, it was like reading internet dentist when I opened the comments.
 
2013-01-29 12:29:31 PM
The people who sacked the people who sacked GITMO have themselves just been sacked.
 
2013-01-29 01:12:37 PM

xanadian: Well, all that's left is to bring in the llamas.


No seizure so its all cool.
 
2013-01-29 03:00:29 PM

I_C_Weener: mrvandalay: Obama had a window to do pretty much anything when he took office as Democrats had the house and a supermajority in the senate until Scott Brown took office in Feb 2010.

He had enough votes to push through Obamacare with no Republican support but couldn't get enough votes to close Gitmo? Something doesn't seem to add up for me. I don't know where the blame falls but I don't think it is 100% Republican in this case because it looks like they had the power but not the will to follow through.

If they closed GITMO, the prisoners have to go somewhere.  Release them?  Or put them in Terre Haute Indiana, New York, California....yeah...that wasn't going to happen.


Yes, you put them on trial and put them in Terre Haute if found guilty.

What do you think the rest of the Western world does with their terrorists?

The US managed to try the top Nazis. What's so hard this time?
 
2013-01-29 03:40:18 PM

opiumpoopy: Yes, you put them on trial and put them in Terre Haute if found guilty.


Tough concept for our Republican and Democrat leaders though.  They seem to think speedy trial, advice of counsel, facing your accusers, access to courts, banning cruel and unusual punishment are for citizens only.
 
2013-01-29 07:53:41 PM

opiumpoopy: I_C_Weener: mrvandalay: Obama had a window to do pretty much anything when he took office as Democrats had the house and a supermajority in the senate until Scott Brown took office in Feb 2010.

He had enough votes to push through Obamacare with no Republican support but couldn't get enough votes to close Gitmo? Something doesn't seem to add up for me. I don't know where the blame falls but I don't think it is 100% Republican in this case because it looks like they had the power but not the will to follow through.

If they closed GITMO, the prisoners have to go somewhere.  Release them?  Or put them in Terre Haute Indiana, New York, California....yeah...that wasn't going to happen.

Yes, you put them on trial and put them in Terre Haute if found guilty.

What do you think the rest of the Western world does with their terrorists?

The US managed to try the top Nazis. What's so hard this time?


Terre Haute? They don't even have to lock em up. That place is hell.
 
2013-01-29 08:30:00 PM

OrangeSnapper: [upload.wikimedia.org image 531x599]

Why should Obama close Gtimo, or end the wars, or do any of the truly decent things he promised, when simply talking about doing these things is enough to get him credit?


A reasonable question.
 
2013-01-30 01:11:17 AM

Dog Welder: I'm sure people realize that an executive order to carry this out was signed years ago and the House of Representatives defunded it to prevent it from happening, right?


I would have just ordered the facility to be abandoned in place. Pack up the guards and put some extra food in the cat dish and leave.
 
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