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(Fox News)   Anger an African government? No problem. They drag the French into the mix? Laugh harder. But pissing off the Tuaregs is like poking chaotic-neutral honey badgers with a spoon   (foxnews.com) divider line 42
    More: Spiffy, Tuaregs, Islamic terrorism, African, Islamists, Kidal, summary executions, Malian, Timbuktu  
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2013-01-29 10:01:31 AM
I always suspected that those things were killing machines. Never trust a German...

understandhistorynow.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-29 10:01:43 AM
Ugh, f*cking Africa.

myplace.frontier.com
 
2013-01-29 10:02:32 AM
gallery.carreview.com

Inconsolable
 
2013-01-29 10:02:36 AM
i was just thinking about how funny it would be to establish of coat of arms bearing the honey badger. fark you lion and bear, i wear the honey badger!
 
2013-01-29 10:03:11 AM
I always thought the chaotic neutrals were kind of cool. Chaotic goods were the most fun, though.
 
2013-01-29 10:03:20 AM

EZ Writer: I always suspected that those things were killing machines. Never trust a German...


So close, and yet so far
 
2013-01-29 10:05:28 AM
What a Tuareg may look like:

blogs-images.forbes.com
I actually feel kind of badly  for these guys, they've been treated like shiat for so long by the rulers of the African countries they reside in,  were suckered into revolting by the Al-qaeda guys, and are now going to be wiped out by the French
 
2013-01-29 10:07:01 AM
Calvin pissing on VW window stickers for all?
 
2013-01-29 10:11:23 AM
Ugh, so the people responsible for the original coup that attacked the government in the area with help from help Islamic hard liners then got their asses handed to them by the Islamic hard liners are using the French / Malian attacks on said Islamic extremists to try to revive their failed power grab.

The problem with trying to stabilize the government of a country in North Africa is that there is a shortage of level headed groups to govern a country there. The only groups that exert enough control over their populations to take on extremist groups (of all kinds and backgrounds) end up being hated because of what they do to get there. I don't think there can be too many winners there.
 
2013-01-29 10:14:12 AM

Magorn: What a Tuareg may look like:


He's not wearing his veil.

(Tuareg men do. Their women don't. Unless you tell them to, then they won't. Or tell them not to, then they'll insist on it)
 
2013-01-29 10:18:50 AM
The Tauregs were exclusively nomadic when the borders of Mali and its neighboring countries were drawn. Today, the territory where they are the majority is split between multiple countries. It is very similar to the situation with the Kurds in Turkey, Syria, and Iraq. It is also similar to the situation of the Pashto in Afghanistan and Pakistan. With the national borders we have now, each of these ethnolinguistic groups is a minority in their state, and more often than not they get no say in their government.

Arab extremists exploited this type of split in Afghanistan starting in the late 1990s and now they are doing it in Mali. You have one armed movement that just wants independence or autonomy, and that armed movement creates some chaos. The religious extremists step in and exploit that chaos.

One solution could be to grant the request for autonomy before armed conflict begins. The US invasion of Iraq gave the world the opportunity to do this partway for the Kurds. The Syrian civil war has given the Kurds de-facto autonomy there as well. But the Kurds in Turkey have been in armed conflict already now for over 20 years; opinion has hardened. Will the Syrian region and Iraqi region attempt to unify? Would that be good or bad for peace and stability?
 
2013-01-29 10:19:51 AM
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\Aw crap. Tuaregs.
 
2013-01-29 10:23:01 AM
The enemy of my enemy is my friend?
 
2013-01-29 10:24:36 AM
I'm seeing a chance to make lots of money off of this.

Decaying flesh and money both have a similar aroma.
 
2013-01-29 10:25:18 AM

SwiftFox: Magorn: What a Tuareg may look like:

He's not wearing his veil.

(Tuareg men do. Their women don't. Unless you tell them to, then they won't. Or tell them not to, then they'll insist on it)


had to look that up. Yup, interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality#Tuareg
 
2013-01-29 10:29:23 AM

Magorn: What a Tuareg may look like:

blogs-images.forbes.com
I actually feel kind of badly  for these guys, they've been treated like shiat for so long by the rulers of the African countries they reside in,  were suckered into revolting by the Al-qaeda guys, and are now going to be wiped out by the French


Problem solved:

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2013-01-29 10:34:14 AM

Magorn: What a Tuareg may look like:

[blogs-images.forbes.com image 468x390]
I actually feel kind of badly  for these guys, they've been treated like shiat for so long by the rulers of the African countries they reside in,  were suckered into revolting by the Al-qaeda guys, and are now going to be wiped out by the French


No. The Tuareg are fighting alongside the French, against the Al-qaeda guys.
 
2013-01-29 10:37:50 AM
Yeah, you know what the difference is between regular people, and hardened desert warriors when it comes to dealing with attack helicopters? The hardened desert warriors die tired.
 
2013-01-29 10:38:18 AM
Hahahhah!! France + New York = Surrender even faster than normal.
 
2013-01-29 10:57:49 AM
4.bp.blogspot.com
"Well, spoons do hurt more"
 
2013-01-29 11:00:33 AM
Lessons to take away from this:

- don't ally yourself with crazy jihadists;
- if you do ally yourself with crazy jihadists, be ready to turn on them before they turn on you;
- if the crazy jihadists turn on you first, you're going to have a bad time.
 
2013-01-29 11:01:43 AM
The D'regs laugh at the Tuaregs.
 
2013-01-29 11:02:42 AM
Can anybody give me the cliff notes of this story? I haven't been following it other than to hear that the French are heading into Mali and we're helping them out in some capacity that hopefully doesn't get our people shot.
 
2013-01-29 11:02:55 AM

emarche: Magorn: What a Tuareg may look like:

[blogs-images.forbes.com image 468x390]
I actually feel kind of badly  for these guys, they've been treated like shiat for so long by the rulers of the African countries they reside in,  were suckered into revolting by the Al-qaeda guys, and are now going to be wiped out by the French

No. The Tuareg are fighting alongside the French, against the Al-qaeda guys.


Now.  A week ago it was the other way round,  and I have no doubt before this is all over, at the urging of the Mali government,  the French will turn on them again after they decide that Mali will never be stable with a rebel army that size still in the feild
 
2013-01-29 11:14:32 AM
phyrkrakr

Can anybody give me the cliff notes of this story? I haven't been following it other than to hear that the French are heading into Mali and we're helping them out in some capacity that hopefully doesn't get our people shot.

African country straddles multiple ethnic groups. The black fellas control the government; the mixed nomads (Tauregs, Moors, etc.) are distinct and unhappy with their lot in life. Lots of resources in Mali. Lots of resources up north, where the nomads live. The nomads want independence, so they kick off a rebellion again. This time, a bunch of evil Muslims join in. Great success! The government is on the run. Celebration seems to be at hand, until the evil Muslims say "LOL NOW YOU GET SHARIA!" The nomads are not happy about this. Now they're fighting against the evil Muslims. The government of Mali has French, American and British support. Now the nomads are making noises about staying part of Mali after all, with self-autonomy within the state, if they can only kick the shiat out of the evil Muslims.
 
2013-01-29 11:23:10 AM
I wondered why my Touareg was acting so strangely lately.
 
2013-01-29 11:25:21 AM

Facetious_Speciest: phyrkrakr

Can anybody give me the cliff notes of this story? I haven't been following it other than to hear that the French are heading into Mali and we're helping them out in some capacity that hopefully doesn't get our people shot.

African country straddles multiple ethnic groups. The black fellas control the government; the mixed nomads (Tauregs, Moors, etc.) are distinct and unhappy with their lot in life. Lots of resources in Mali. Lots of resources up north, where the nomads live. The nomads want independence, so they kick off a rebellion again. This time, a bunch of evil Muslims join in. Great success! The government is on the run. Celebration seems to be at hand, until the evil Muslims say "LOL NOW YOU GET SHARIA!" The nomads are not happy about this. Now they're fighting against the evil Muslims. The government of Mali has French, American and British support. Now the nomads are making noises about staying part of Mali after all, with self-autonomy within the state, if they can only kick the shiat out of the evil Muslims.


Also there was a coup when the elected black government started losing non-nomad territory to the nomads/jihadis, leading to more territorial losses.
 
2013-01-29 11:33:52 AM

phyrkrakr: Can anybody give me the cliff notes of this story? I haven't been following it other than to hear that the French are heading into Mali and we're helping them out in some capacity that hopefully doesn't get our people shot.

.
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-US Destroyed a heavily armed sovereign nation that posed no threat to it, Libya.
-Algerian government then notified the US that Al Qaeda was rounding up weapons and had convoys of weapons flooding into Chad and Mali.
-Algerian government contact US a second time and stated "WTF ARE YOU THINKING!!!!"
-All of Western Africa is not full of weapons from Libya.
-US government contractors are now looking to profit by providing private armies to oil companies in West Africa.
-US government at some point will be looking at boots on the ground in western Africa for the next ten to twenty years.
 
2013-01-29 11:39:22 AM
YixilTesiphon

Also there was a coup when the elected black government started losing non-nomad territory to the nomads/jihadis, leading to more territorial losses.

Ugh. Exactly correct. How did I forget that? Thanks.
 
2013-01-29 11:53:08 AM
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M-G
2013-01-29 12:09:04 PM
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/hot like the Sahara
//pic is more likely from the South American runs of Dakar
 
2013-01-29 12:43:13 PM
Never heard that one before. Do three hail mary's and two hello dolly's.

/Saw what you did there, subby.
 
2013-01-29 01:30:21 PM
"fabled" city of Timbuktu? It is quite real and has been for quite some time. Just because you didn't know where it was on a map doesn't make it a place from stories.
 
2013-01-29 02:29:07 PM

MythDragon: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 850x478]
"Well, spoons do hurt more"


Thanks, cousin. I was about to ask why a spoon.
 
2013-01-29 04:45:21 PM

I'm no expert but...: The D'regs laugh at the Tuaregs.


Yeah, the D'regs would chase AQ all the way into Djelibeybi.
 
2013-01-29 05:27:48 PM
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2013-01-29 06:26:41 PM

GentDirkly: The Tauregs were exclusively nomadic when the borders of Mali and its neighboring countries were drawn. Today, the territory where they are the majority is split between multiple countries. It is very similar to the situation with the Kurds in Turkey, Syria, and Iraq. It is also similar to the situation of the Pashto in Afghanistan and Pakistan. With the national borders we have now, each of these ethnolinguistic groups is a minority in their state, and more often than not they get no say in their government.

Arab extremists exploited this type of split in Afghanistan starting in the late 1990s and now they are doing it in Mali. You have one armed movement that just wants independence or autonomy, and that armed movement creates some chaos. The religious extremists step in and exploit that chaos.

One solution could be to grant the request for autonomy before armed conflict begins. The US invasion of Iraq gave the world the opportunity to do this partway for the Kurds. The Syrian civil war has given the Kurds de-facto autonomy there as well. But the Kurds in Turkey have been in armed conflict already now for over 20 years; opinion has hardened. Will the Syrian region and Iraqi region attempt to unify? Would that be good or bad for peace and stability?


Turkey doesn't want the Kurds to gain autonomy because right now the Kurds are the Turkish equivalent of cheap powerless Mexican labor.

America does as Turkey says because of Incirlink airbase.

Meanwhile Iraq doesn't want the Kurds' independence either because the Kurds are camped out on the biggest oilfield in the region.

tl;dr version: Humans suck.
 
2013-01-29 08:13:53 PM

silvervial: Yeah, the D'regs would chase AQ all the way into Djelibeybi.


Only after 3 days.

/Unless they're 71 Hour Ahmed.
 
2013-01-29 11:20:50 PM

Felgraf: /Unless they're 71 Hour Ahmed.


Captain Carrot will sort everything out.
 
2013-01-29 11:59:14 PM

deegen: Felgraf: /Unless they're 71 Hour Ahmed.

Captain Carrot will sort everything out.


Eyeball?
 
2013-01-30 07:40:37 AM

Felgraf: silvervial: Yeah, the D'regs would chase AQ all the way into Djelibeybi.

Only after 3 days.

/Unless they're 71 Hour Ahmed.


I go, I come back, offendi.
 
2013-01-31 11:44:10 AM
Facetious_Speciest:

YixilTesiphon:


Thanks!  That makes a ton more sense now, since I couldn't figure out why the Tuaregs were switching sides.  There was mention in a later article that the Tuaregs were fighting the Islamic groups but didn't want the Mali army coming in to the recaptured areas - now I understand why, since they were against the Mali troops before they were forced to ally with them.
 
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