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2013-01-28 06:34:51 PM  
8 votes:
No one cries more than the bully when he gets called on his shiat.
2013-01-28 05:09:33 PM  
5 votes:
Here's their problem, right here
media.salon.com
The Republicans have sworn fealty to an imbecile
2013-01-28 06:36:57 PM  
4 votes:
"One of the biggest factors is going to be how the media shapes debates. If a Republican member of Congress is not punished on Fox News or by Rush Limbaugh for working with a Democrat on a bill of common interest, then you'll see more of them doing it," he said.

I hope Limbaugh (and his buddies) go ballistic over this statement.  I hope they go whole hog wild and lay down the law with GOP legislators...I want Limbaugh to CRUSH his legislative allies, force their heads down in abject submission...and I want the entire world to watch as he does it.  then when the inevitable backlash happens...I want Rush Limbaugh to say 'hey, i'm just an entertainer.'

this would please me greatly.
2013-01-28 06:34:54 PM  
4 votes:
How is saying "What you're doing is unproductive at best" attempting to silence anyone? Goddamn, what kind of panty-waste insecure child feels personally threatened by the slightest hint of criticism? Oh, right.
2013-01-28 06:27:28 PM  
4 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: fireside68: Short answer: Yes.


Did I miss some major cuts that bring us anywhere near a balanced budget?


We had an election. The idea that we should do massive cuts to put our economy in the shiatter like the did in Europe lost. Maybe you were asleep for the election then.

The Democrats won, the Republican lost why do you think that means Obama and Democrats must fall in with Republicans failed economic policies?
2013-01-28 11:26:34 PM  
3 votes:

chairmanoohmowmow: the_vegetarian_cannibal

2013-01-28 08:22:16 PM

chairmanoohmowmow: "This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013

Account created: 2013-01-24 19:55:50

Run! Run for those ignore buttons my little leftists!


Welp, I aim to please.

/favorited!
2013-01-28 07:53:00 PM  
3 votes:
I have come to respect Obama, though i don't always agree with him.

Personally, I think everyone involved would be better off if we stopped letting shiat the government shouldn't be involved in get in the way of them doing the things they should be doing. I don't care who people marry, it's not a matter that the Government should even be deciding. I think a woman and her doctor should be the only two people (three, if you count the husband/boyfriend as part of it) people in on the decision to have an abortion. it's not mine to say whether it's right or wrong. And we sure as hell shouldn't be waging a War-in-name-only on drugs, Islam, or whatever the farktards in the middle east do.

While we're spending all this time and energy debating those points, and whether the earth is flat or round, health care in this country is shiatty, education is on its way down the crapper, poverty is on the rise, our military is busy policing the world, and we're spending billions propping up third world countries and buying off states in the middle east, our own citizens go hungry and screwed over by their own financial institutions.

Yeah, we're a real winner right now.
2013-01-28 06:42:55 PM  
3 votes:

Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?


I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.
2013-01-28 06:27:16 PM  
3 votes:

Mrbogey: Obama doesn't want bipartisanship.


Who would? Have you seen the other party?
2013-01-28 06:20:40 PM  
3 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: 98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.


John Boehner: When you look at this final agreement [on the debt ceiling] that we came to with the White House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

This is what Republicans think ineffective negotiation looks like.  Apparently not getting exactly what you want is a failed negotiation.
2013-01-28 06:05:42 PM  
3 votes:
So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.
2013-01-28 05:54:11 PM  
3 votes:
Ben Shapiro is a chucklehead.
2013-01-28 05:10:30 PM  
3 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Here's their problem, right here
[media.salon.com image 660x440]
The Republicans have sworn fealty to an imbecile


this guy and wayne la pierre.

between the two of them, they control the GOP.
2013-01-28 05:09:00 PM  
3 votes:
Conservative media and even it's leader Murdock don't give two shiats about anything they talk about. Carl Rove probably does but he's a major exception to the rule. Conservative media is a business and like any business you have to find customers.. Talking heads are designed (grown maybe?) to maintain the customer base. They don't care about companies like Factcheck because that company doesn't effect their customer base. Any raving Republican will go down the list of talking points and if you present them with unequivocal facts to counter "their" opinion you will be ignored.

Billions of examples but one that just made me close my eyes was the Romney business model and the fact that my sister, a die hard repubtard, did not consider anything he did at Bain to be relevant to the presidency because he wasn't CEO when they did bad stuff. Even though he was CEO from 1978-1999 that did not count and she even told me so.. "What Romney did before 1999 isn't important." I still don't know why it wasn't important.

Anyways.. Just came to say: $$$$$$$$$$$$
2013-01-28 04:55:36 PM  
3 votes:
And.... he's right.
2013-01-29 12:00:25 PM  
2 votes:

randomjsa: You mean if the conservative media quit treating republicans who "betray" them in the same fashion liberals, including Obama, treat democrats "betray" them?

I fully expect the voices on the conservative side of the aisle to speak out when they feel conservative principles are being compromised by the people that are suppose to represent us. Don't you expect liberal voices to do the same for you?


Yeah, but I don't view the mere act of talking to the opposition to be a betrayal.

That's the difference between you and rational adults.

And this is why you fail.
2013-01-29 11:19:19 AM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And the loyal left just remains blind.


Loyal left? Really?

Sane people voted for Obama, because Republicans are frickin' nutjobs that anyone with an IQ over 100 laughs at.

If that makes us "loyal left," what does that make you? "Dimwitted right?"
2013-01-29 04:03:01 AM  
2 votes:

Corvus: kasmel: Corvus: HighOnCraic: Most liberals wanted something closer to European-style socialized healthcare.

Many places in Europe have healthcare programs closer to "Obamacare" like Germany and Switzerland. The belief that they all have single payer or government run healthcare is a myth.

I can't honestly speak for Switzerland and don't feel like looking into it, but Germany does have 'government run healthcare'. They have a two part system with an overwhelming majority of the population availing themselves of the 'public option' while a small remainder opt for supplementary private coverage.

I actually think that Germany has about the best system for the US to move towards. It'd be really pretty easy. Expand medicare to cover everyone for basic coverage, continue to allow private plans as supplementary for anyone who wants to pay extra for additional services. Done and done.

Long story short, Germany has a plan much closer to 'socialized' than "Obamacare". Perhaps just a bad example?

Having private run insurance and medical is not "government run healthcare". Government run healthcare is like England has. Everyone through healthcare in England work for the government. i don't understand how you think private groups are "government run" or muliple groups are "single payer" they are not.


I don't really understand what you are getting at, but Britain doesn't have government-run healthcare as you are defining it. Most general practitioners and specialists are private businesspeople who also work in the government system. There are plenty of private hospitals, private nursing services, private pathology practices etc. There is the NHS, which everyone contributes to and is entitled to, but there is private health insurance too.
2013-01-28 08:53:02 PM  
2 votes:

Electrify: perhaps it is time for the Democrats to sue FNC.


I know many people who have lost loved ones and family members to right wing authoritarian syndrome, which, I suspect, could be shown to be a direct result of listening to Fox News and AM rightwing talk radio 24/7.

I'm waiting to see a class-action suit representing all those people against Murdoch's empire for 'alienation of affection', saying that in effect, the right wing noise machine has brainwashed conservatives into hating their less-fascist family members.

I would enjoy that very much, I think.
2013-01-28 08:51:32 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well, if we could negotiate worth a darn I wouldn't mind Republicans talking to Obama. But we can't so no, no talking with Obama.


Or you could, you know, stop voting for retards. Just a suggestion.
2013-01-28 08:22:16 PM  
2 votes:

chairmanoohmowmow: "This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013


Account created: 2013-01-24 19:55:50
2013-01-28 07:48:13 PM  
2 votes:
I'm over bipartisanship. I don't feel good when Democrats work with a racist, regional party that cares more about gay sex than poor people.
2013-01-28 07:42:42 PM  
2 votes:

Cletus C.: HighOnCraic: Cletus C.: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Cletus C.: Weaver95: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.

[static01.mediaite.com image 320x210]

So when was the last time that Chris Matthews forced a Democratic politician to apologize to him?

Because Rush has done that plenty of times to Republicans. Even the Republican leaders, if you recall.

Michael Steele apologizing after taking some shots at Limbaugh? He was forced by Limbaugh to do that? Whatevah.

"[House Speaker John] Boehner comes out and says Rush's language was inappropriate. Using the salad fork for your entrée, that's inappropriate. Not this stuff," Will said. "And it was depressing because what it indicates is that the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh. They want to bomb Iran, but they're afraid of Rush Limbaugh."

Link
/Of course, George Will is a well-known liberal who's biased against the Republican Party. . .

Hey, we agree Republicans should not be bending to the will of talking head blowhards. Just like Democrats shouldn't be kowtowing to MSNBC, the NYT or Jon Stewart.

It doesn't help forge good working relationships to accuse them of doing so, which was my original point.


So, it was a good thing when George Will pointed out the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh, but it was a bad thing when Obama pointed out the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh.
2013-01-28 07:07:17 PM  
2 votes:

Cletus C.: Weaver95: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.

[static01.mediaite.com image 320x210]


So when was the last time that Chris Matthews forced a Democratic politician to apologize to him?

Because Rush has done that plenty of times to Republicans. Even the Republican leaders, if you recall.
2013-01-28 06:54:05 PM  
2 votes:

Cletus C.: [static01.mediaite.com image 320x210]


What about Chris Matthews? That guy loves whoever's in power at the moment. He loved Bush when he was in office and now has a thing for Obama. He's sexually attracted to the Presidency. Not the President. The Presidency.
2013-01-28 06:51:19 PM  
2 votes:

fusillade762: Read an article today that said Obama's walking a tightrope pushing his immigration agenda. They don't want to have him too closely associated with it or the GOP will reflexively oppose it. Of course then I had the evil thought "Well, why not just go ahead and slap Obama's name right on a package of common-sense reforms?" Then when the GOP does oppose it they look like immigrant-hating obstructionist asshats.


He's not really walking a tight-rope though.

Anything that has a chance of getting signed will be tossed by the Tea Party in the House the moment Obama shows any support of it.

These are people that can turn on a dime the moment Obama comes out for something they once endorsed.

Obama could say "Ok, we'll build a wall along the border", and the Tea Party would oppose it on grounds that Obama was using it as a giveaway to "construction union thugs" and "walls also keep people in".
2013-01-28 06:49:57 PM  
2 votes:

impaler: Weaver95: I hope Limbaugh (and his buddies) go ballistic over this statement.  I hope they go whole hog wild and lay down the law with GOP legislators...I want Limbaugh to CRUSH his legislative allies, force their heads down in abject submission...and I want the entire world to watch as he does it.

He kind of has to now doesn't he? If he doesn't attack every and all GOP members that talk to the president, it looks like he caved to the President.


yup.  Rush *has* to ramp up his rhetoric, he HAS to lean on his GOP buddies.  if he backs down one iota, it'll look like he's caved to the President's demands.  the more I think about this, the more brilliant a move I think it is...
2013-01-28 06:45:34 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".

I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

GAT_00: So 98% of your goals isn't enough?

98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

This is not blaming Obama! He is getting what he wants, the blame falls completely on the Republicans. In fact this is praising Obama. He's a heavy weight and we are sending in bantamweight fighters.


"I really don't understand how bipartisanship is ever going to work when one of the parties is insane. Imagine trying to negotiate an agreement on dinner plans with your date, and you suggest Italian and she states her preference would be a meal of tire rims and anthrax. If you can figure out a way to split the difference there and find a meal you will both enjoy, you can probably figure out how bipartisanship is going to work the next few years."

John Cole
2013-01-28 06:43:19 PM  
2 votes:
Man, no one projects like a republican. So seamless nowadays. I do hand it to them, they are fooling quite a few people.
2013-01-28 06:26:19 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: fireside68: Short answer: Yes.


Did I miss some major cuts that bring us anywhere near a balanced budget?


About $1.2 trillion worth, yes. The deficit is down to somewhere in the neighborhood of $600b now.
2013-01-28 06:26:14 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: fireside68: Short answer: Yes.


Did I miss some major cuts that bring us anywhere near a balanced budget?


Why do budgets only matter when a Democrat is president?
2013-01-28 06:25:10 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: fireside68: Short answer: Yes.


Did I miss some major cuts that bring us anywhere near a balanced budget?


You believe that is what the Republicans were negotiating to achieve?
2013-01-28 06:21:52 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.


The law known as "Obamacare" was based on the alternative to universal healthcare that Republicans came up with in the 90s. You got 100% of what you wanted in that case. Most liberals wanted something closer to European-style socialized healthcare. The Republicans, once Obama chose to use their plan, suddenly decided that their plan was actually European-style socialized healthcare.

/I think the 98% figure is a direct quote from Boehner in reference to the last debt ceiling deal.

Link
2013-01-28 06:20:35 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".

I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.


It's what a lot of conservative have said.

Where does he spend 30 minutes in a speech "bad mouthing and name calling" can you give us some examples or you want to admit now this was a complete bullshiat remark and save us ll the trouble of me showing you are full of shiat?
2013-01-28 06:19:25 PM  
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: The Stealth Hippopotamus: He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

When has this ever happened?


I guess that's the theme this week. Obama is so SMART and POWERFUL that the poor helpless Republicans can't do shiat to stop them because they don't have a single person who isn't such a damn pussy who can even hope to stand up to him.
2013-01-28 06:09:43 PM  
2 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".

I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

GAT_00: So 98% of your goals isn't enough?

98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

This is not blaming Obama! He is getting what he wants, the blame falls completely on the Republicans. In fact this is praising Obama. He's a heavy weight and we are sending in bantamweight fighters.


Were you in a coma during the debt ceiling debacle?
2013-01-28 05:27:52 PM  
2 votes:
Author and syndicated columnist Ben Shapiro said Obama trying to challenge certain media outlets dates back to the start of his administration.
"He's talking about silencing members of the media he doesn't like," he told Fox News. "He's done that before -- this idea that Fox News is some sort of evil force in the media.  He's gone after Rush Limbaugh, talked about starting boycotts. This is what he does. He's a bully."

i.imgur.com
2013-01-28 05:27:47 PM  
2 votes:
i.imgur.com

"Sources Cited" in the unsigned anonymous "article"

1) Breitbart
2) Media Research Center (Newsbusters, funded by Scaife and Olin and Exxon)
3) The "Center For Media in Public Affairs" (funded primarily through right-wing foundations) run by Fox News contributor and former American Enterprise Institute hack Sammy Licter

===

That's some fancy "newswriting," Lou. Next time try signing your name and having at least one non-partisan source.
2013-01-28 04:44:02 PM  
2 votes:
It's almost as if he doesn't agree with us and isn't worried about making us mad!  How dare he!  What about our delicate feelings?  Stop being so MEAN, Obama!
2013-01-29 04:14:47 PM  
1 vote:
How does a Republican even get smart enough to operate a computer, anyway?
2013-01-29 04:14:09 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Confabulat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And the loyal left just remains blind.

Loyal left? Really?

Sane people voted for Obama, because Republicans are frickin' nutjobs that anyone with an IQ over 100 laughs at.

If that makes us "loyal left," what does that make you? "Dimwitted right?"

Yes 'cause dimwitted is the opposite of loyal. moron.

another Obama voter....... It's enough to make you depressed


Ha, only a Republican would be stupid enough to think I was trying for opposites.

I was pointing out how stupid you are, and you happily demonstrated such. Good work! Vote Romney!
2013-01-29 02:12:29 PM  
1 vote:

Cletus C.: Plus, stated or not, the party out of power always makes it their goal, No. 1 or not, to take back the presidency.


Yeah that's not true at all. That's only recent.
2013-01-29 12:28:04 PM  
1 vote:

Cletus C.: Revisionist history begins today, apparently. Obama has ratcheted up the rhetoric at every opportunity, attempting to bend his opponents' will with inflammatory characterizations of them and their ideas. Because you accept and parrot that rhetoric does not change the polarizing results.


www.youdontknowjersey.com
2013-01-29 12:13:23 PM  
1 vote:

Cletus C.: JesusJuice: When have ANY of Obamas attampts to build goodwill been accepted? Through his entire first term he offered olive branches only to have them thrown back in his face. Now that he's finally come to the conclusion that there's nothing to be gained by working with Republicans, we have people like you criticizing him dor not doing the same shiat that didn't work in his first term.

Obama has zero chance of ever having a good working relationship with the GOP, and trying to buiod one is an exercise in futility.

Revisionist history begins today, apparently. Obama has ratcheted up the rhetoric at every opportunity, attempting to bend his opponents' will with inflammatory characterizations of them and their ideas. Because you accept and parrot that rhetoric does not change the polarizing results.


that's like the pot calling the weed green.
2013-01-29 09:34:41 AM  
1 vote:

Weaver95: "One of the biggest factors is going to be how the media shapes debates. If a Republican member of Congress is not punished on Fox News or by Rush Limbaugh for working with a Democrat on a bill of common interest, then you'll see more of them doing it," he said.

I hope Limbaugh (and his buddies) go ballistic over this statement.  I hope they go whole hog wild and lay down the law with GOP legislators...I want Limbaugh to CRUSH his legislative allies, force their heads down in abject submission...and I want the entire world to watch as he does it.  then when the inevitable backlash happens...I want Rush Limbaugh to say 'hey, i'm just an entertainer.'

this would please me greatly.


Republicans are about to shoot Hagel down at the same time. On the one hand, I really don't want Obama to run this roughshod over the GOP because the party has a place at the table. On the other hand, I really want Obama to continue running roughshod over the GOP because that table is the kid's table.

I'm torn. But either way, it's fun to watch the GOP eat itself in cartoonish style. This is some Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck level chicanery.
2013-01-29 09:33:07 AM  
1 vote:

chairmanoohmowmow: the_vegetarian_cannibal

2013-01-28 08:22:16 PM

chairmanoohmowmow: "This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013

Account created: 2013-01-24 19:55:50

Run! Run for those ignore buttons my little leftists!


Ignored...forever.
2013-01-29 09:00:43 AM  
1 vote:

chairmanoohmowmow: Run! Run for those ignore buttons my little leftists!


Lamest troll EVAR.
2013-01-29 06:28:33 AM  
1 vote:

chairmanoohmowmow: the_vegetarian_cannibal

2013-01-28 08:22:16 PM

chairmanoohmowmow: "This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013

Account created: 2013-01-24 19:55:50

Run! Run for those ignore buttons my little leftists!


Don't mind if I do.

*favorited!*

And just so you know, it's not just because you made a ridiculous strawman argument. It's also because you're apparently too stupid to use the quote function.

Bye now. Have a nice day, new troll-alt.
2013-01-29 02:12:20 AM  
1 vote:

Corvus: kasmel: If you misspoke in regards to your characterization or if you'd like to amend your description please feel free. I stand by the notion that not only does Germany clearly have a government run healthcare system, it is also clearly far closer to 'socialized medicine' than "Obamacare".

So a "government run system" to you is one that has private companies running things?

"Government run" means that the GOVERNMENT runs everything. Serious how can you be so clueless?


As someone with "public" German health insurance, there are a couple points that haven't been mentioned, and they make it look more like Obamacare and less like single payer as I understand it.
First, the public insurance comes from a bunch of heavily regulated private companies. The government sets the price, the companies provide a defined level of care, and differentiate themselves based on additional services. These companies all have their own bureaucracy and pay doctors at different speeds and with different levels of hassle, which causes some doctors to prefer some of the companies.
Second, everyone is required to buy insurance from one of these companies unless you make a certain amount of money, then you receive the "privilege" of being able to go to a less-regulated "private" health insurer, which tends to be much cheaper when you are healthy and single. But once you forgo "public" health insurance, you cannot go back unless you can prove a reduction in income.
An added point is that "privately" insured patients tend to get faster service at the doctor, because the insurance companies pay the doctors a bit more, as the companies are less regulated.

Obamacare is basically German healthcare with less regulation on the companies. It would probably be more efficient in the long run if the government took over the "public" option, but it is a far sight better than what the US system was and will be with Obamacare. However, Obamacare is definitely a step toward the German system, which is better described as compulsory healthcare than government-run.
2013-01-29 12:13:22 AM  
1 vote:

Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: Stop derping about how fracking is destroying the environment you retard. The science disagrees with you.

I can understand thinking that the jury is still out about this because that's what I think, but to say it disagrees with you without any proof seems like a foolish argument to make.

And if there isn't any environmental detriment to fracking, then why are fracking companies so reluctant to share with regulators on what chemicals are used in the fracking process?


Fracking is destroying the coal industry, but it's cool, they'll keep blaming environmentalists anyway.
2013-01-28 11:40:13 PM  
1 vote:

The Name: Quote of Obama FTFA: "So I don't think the issue is whether or not there are people of goodwill in either party that want to get something done."

Either Obama is just playing nice for moderates/independents, or he is actually, literally, incapable of learning, like a rock or a plant.

Unfortunately, given his record of dealing with Republicans, I really can't tell which it is.


I agree with Obama. I truly believe that there people of goodwill in both parties. I also believe that, if a Republican does anything that indicates that they are working with a Democrat, the right wing propaganda machine will destroy them. Many of the elected Republicans will avoid working with that person for fear of being deemed guilty by association. That person would also be attacked come time for reelection. Even the most beneficent politician knows that you can't do nearly as much as a private citizen as you can as an elected official.
2013-01-28 11:29:13 PM  
1 vote:

Mrbogey: Stop derping about how fracking is destroying the environment you retard. The science disagrees with you.


I can understand thinking that the jury is still out about this because that's what I think, but to say it disagrees with you without any proof seems like a foolish argument to make.

And if there isn't any environmental detriment to fracking, then why are fracking companies so reluctant to share with regulators on what chemicals are used in the fracking process?
2013-01-28 09:58:09 PM  
1 vote:

Mike_1962: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.

Today, he's too weak towards our enemies.

Non sequitur. Arnold wasn't "too weak" towards the British.

Non sequitor. Arnold didn't kill an British leaders or bomb any British fortresses.

On which date?...

You're comparing Obama to Benedict Arnold; I'm pointing out that Obama has actually used violence against our enemies (leaders such as Osama bin Laden) and bombed their camps (their version of fortresses) with drone strikes. Did Benedict Arnold do stuff like that?

Look up Fort Ticonderoga.


Yeah, I mea culpa'd on that a while ago. It's still a bad comparison; Obama hasn't joined the enemy or attacked American troops.
2013-01-28 09:29:24 PM  
1 vote:
once upon a time, there was a law called 'truth in news'.
Where if the talking heads uttered lieslieslieslieslies, they would be punished by some type of fine.
Saint Reagan removed it so that pond scum could crawl out of the sewers and take on the form of bleach blonds and stubby dicked douchbags.

/Canada will soon abolish the law, then foxnews north can turn their regular segment daily 'commentators' into official newscasters.
//Then Canadas federal police force, cyber squad, will then be forced to triple staff to beat down the increased quantities of tea baggers
2013-01-28 09:07:25 PM  
1 vote:

WraithSama: Came here to say something along these lines. They respond to an allegation of having a right-wing bias by getting refuting statements from other openly right-wing organizations, and none from any unaffiliated, independent sources. I'm going out on a limb here and assuming 99% of their readership won't notice this fact at all. "Fair and Balanced," folks!


I may have gotten through to my grandmother when she claimed Fox news was blanaced and I told her that a bias you agree with is not a lack of bias.
2013-01-28 08:59:39 PM  
1 vote:

HighOnCraic: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: HighOnCraic:
You're comparing Obama to Benedict Arnold; I'm pointing out that Obama has actually used violence against our enemies (leaders such as Osama bin Laden) and bombed their camps (their version of fortresses) with drone strikes. Did Benedict Arnold do stuff like that?

Yes, Benedict Arnold did quite a lot of "stuff like that." Lawd, you bit on that so hard the other end must be dangling out of you somewhere.

Fair enough, Arnold was indeed active in the war against the Brits, and then became active in the war on their side. How does that relate to Obama, particularly his perceived weakness or his perceived war mongering? Is there any evidence that Obama has switched sides and begun attacking America, or that his best friends are America's enemies?


There is no point., You were trying to respond seriously to Noam Chimpsky, which is never a wise idea since he's the most obvious troll on Fark this side of SkinnyHead. He's crossed well beyond Poe's Law and squarely into The Onion's Editorial Cartoon territory. The good ways to respond to him are:

1. jokes and snarky pictures
2. not responding at all
2013-01-28 08:39:14 PM  
1 vote:

Mrbogey:
He made a lame argument .


Lame arguments according to Bogey:
People want to drink clean water.
Children should be safe from getting shot while at school.
President Obama has attempted to get bi-partisan support for his major initiatives.
2013-01-28 08:27:42 PM  
1 vote:

bizzwire: Right, because this is a zero-sum game. Republicans can't win unless the Democrats lose.

Grow up.


They're reactionaries. They really can't win unless everyone else loses because that is their only metric for victory.
2013-01-28 08:24:26 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".

I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

GAT_00: So 98% of your goals isn't enough?

98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

This is not blaming Obama! He is getting what he wants, the blame falls completely on the Republicans. In fact this is praising Obama. He's a heavy weight and we are sending in bantamweight fighters.


Right, because this is a zero-sum game. Republicans can't win unless the Democrats lose.

Grow up.
2013-01-28 08:20:04 PM  
1 vote:
The proper point of view has to start from the position that "both sides are equally bad in every way". Deviating from that tenet of modern Americanism makes you an extremist. What Obama should have said was that bipartisanship would be more likely if both sides reduced the rhetoric and come together. Of course, this doesn't address the issue at all (namely, Republican obstructionism) but it sounds nice in sound bites.
2013-01-28 08:19:21 PM  
1 vote:
ITT: HOW DARE TAXBONGO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT US I AM SO MAD
2013-01-28 08:12:25 PM  
1 vote:

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Mrbogey: MSFT: Mrbogey: Obama doesn't want bipartisanship.

If he keeps it up he'll get punched in the face.

And the fifth time you've referenced a non-existent event.

What a non-existent event may look like to MrBogey. Link

/and this is the guy who keeps claiming that he never lies


I haven't lied. MSFT is just stalking me and lying about me threatening to punch him.

He made a lame argument and I beat him up over it. He needs to get over it.
2013-01-28 07:56:58 PM  
1 vote:

MisterMook: Personally I hope Republicans are so insistent that they not meet the President halfway in any shape or form that they collectively fall on their swords rather than interact with him.


They are already well on the way.Their willingness to nominate Tea party alternatives over shoo-in candidates has already cost at least multiple Senate Seats and a probable majority, and everything that goes with that. Probably be at least two more in the next cycle as well.
2013-01-28 07:46:59 PM  
1 vote:

Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.

Today, he's too weak towards our enemies.

Non sequitur. Arnold wasn't "too weak" towards the British.

Non sequitor. Arnold didn't kill an British leaders or bomb any British fortresses.

On which date?...


You're comparing Obama to Benedict Arnold; I'm pointing out that Obama has actually used violence against our enemies (leaders such as Osama bin Laden) and bombed their camps (their version of fortresses) with drone strikes. Did Benedict Arnold do stuff like that?
2013-01-28 07:46:03 PM  
1 vote:

Cletus C.: Hey, we agree Republicans should not be bending to the will of talking head blowhards. Just like Democrats shouldn't be kowtowing to MSNBC, the NYT or Jon Stewart.

It doesn't help forge good working relationships to accuse them of doing so, which was my original point.


Soooo... when did a Democrat kowtow to Chris Matthews?

/we're waaaaiiiting
2013-01-28 07:26:43 PM  
1 vote:

The Name: Quote of Obama FTFA: "So I don't think the issue is whether or not there are people of goodwill in either party that want to get something done."

[forums.kleientertainment.com image 375x300]

Either Obama is just playing nice for moderates/independents, or he is actually, literally, incapable of learning, like a rock or a plant.

Unfortunately, given his record of dealing with Republicans, I really can't tell which it is.


What can you do? He's the president. He has to be nice, set a good example, and say the polite things in public, no matter how childish or petulant the opposition is. What he does behind the scenes is an entirely different matter.

To paraphrase another famous president, it's not how softly you speak, it's how big the stick you're carrying is.
2013-01-28 07:26:29 PM  
1 vote:

Cletus C.: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Cletus C.: Weaver95: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.

[static01.mediaite.com image 320x210]

So when was the last time that Chris Matthews forced a Democratic politician to apologize to him?

Because Rush has done that plenty of times to Republicans. Even the Republican leaders, if you recall.

Michael Steele apologizing after taking some shots at Limbaugh? He was forced by Limbaugh to do that? Whatevah.


"[House Speaker John] Boehner comes out and says Rush's language was inappropriate. Using the salad fork for your entrée, that's inappropriate. Not this stuff," Will said. "And it was depressing because what it indicates is that the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh. They want to bomb Iran, but they're afraid of Rush Limbaugh."

Link
/Of course, George Will is a well-known liberal who's biased against the Republican Party. . .
2013-01-28 07:25:18 PM  
1 vote:
i.imgur.com

I'll just leave this here. Even though I'm a registered Green -- its still quite enjoyable.
2013-01-28 07:02:48 PM  
1 vote:

hej: kbronsito: So Obama is "silencing" conservative media by saying bad things about them. And yet... I'm reading about it on conservative media. Whoaaaa!

Fox News doesn't consider themselves to be a media outlet.


Neither does anyone intelligent.
2013-01-28 06:55:02 PM  
1 vote:

Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.


Today, he's too weak towards our enemies. Tomorrow, it'll be back to, "LOL--president Peace-prize just personally wiped out another village with drone strikes, OMG, he ordered the death of an American citizen, why did he have to go and kill Osama without putting him on trial, and how come he hasn't brought the troops back from Afghanistan, suck it, libs!"
2013-01-28 06:50:14 PM  
1 vote:

Dinjiin: vernonFL: I don't think there is such a thing as "Conservative Media"

The Economist is one of the few conservative rags remaining that hasn't yet gone through the rabbit hole, but it is a bit of a lone wolf these days.

The larger issue is that "conservative media" has essentially transformed into "conservative propaganda".  Bias in the news is nothing new.  Editorials about journalistic integrity have been making the pages for a few centuries now.  But it appears that things have gotten worse over the past few decades, especially at the national level.  More pages and airtime are being spent on single-sided commentary.  Self-criticism is almost non-existent.  Fringe positions are given center stage because they are edgy and provocative.  The tone has taken an incredibly us-vs-them view.


FTA: What he's saying is the media is not liberal enough

No, he's saying that the conservative media is not liberal enough.  You can move towards the center yet still remain a right-leaning publication.  There are societal benefits to having more centralist publications.  But instead, these guys hear (or say that they hear) that Obama wants an all-liberal media, which is a distortion of the truth.  It riles them up and makes them want to turn to the right even farther.

[images59.fotki.com image 512x409]


xynix: Conservative media and even it's leader Murdock don't give two shiats about anything they talk about.

[images60.fotki.com image 350x360]


Max, I'm so glad you've came to me. I've been through it all myself you see. Your reality is already half video hallucination. If you're not careful, it will become total hallucination. You'll have to learn to live in a very strange new world... I had a brain tumour and I had visions. I believe the visions cause the tumour and not the reverse. I can feel the visions coalsce and become flesh. Uncontrollable flesh. But when they removed the tumour, it was called Videodrome Fox News.
2013-01-28 06:50:04 PM  
1 vote:
Lame duck! Lame duck! Quack, quack! Look at that lame duck! I bet he even eats fancy grass like a duck! What a mighty quack! Look at those fluffy, magnificent feathers, smooth rippling beak, the sinuous lines of the...*dabs at forehead with handkerchief* BENGHAZI!!
2013-01-28 06:49:56 PM  
1 vote:

Weaver95: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.


This. It's not a negotiating tactic or headgames or anything. It's a statement of fact.
2013-01-28 06:49:22 PM  
1 vote:

Cletus C.: The Republicans saying Obama is leading the country down a path to socialism? That sort of tunnel-vision truth?

No, leave those truths to the pundits and make honest efforts to pass legislation for the benefit of the country.


It's not easy when the party you have to be bipartisan with openly admits their number one goal is to make sure you don't get re-elected. Not help the country, not improve the economy, make sure Obama doesn't get re-elected.
2013-01-28 06:45:57 PM  
1 vote:

Satanic_Hamster: Obama is so SMART and POWERFUL that the poor helpless Republicans can't do shiat to stop them because they don't have a single person who isn't such a damn pussy who can even hope to stand up to him.


i2.cdn.turner.com

How could anyone? It's obvious the man is a goddamn ninja. You can't even SEE HIM here.
2013-01-28 06:43:28 PM  
1 vote:
Read an article today that said Obama's walking a tightrope pushing his immigration agenda. They don't want to have him too closely associated with it or the GOP will reflexively oppose it. Of course then I had the evil thought "Well, why not just go ahead and slap Obama's name right on a package of common-sense reforms?" Then when the GOP does oppose it they look like immigrant-hating obstructionist asshats.
2013-01-28 06:42:59 PM  
1 vote:

Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?


It's bad to point out the truth?
2013-01-28 06:40:24 PM  
1 vote:

GAT_00: The Stealth Hippopotamus: 98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

John Boehner: When you look at this final agreement [on the debt ceiling] that we came to with the White House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

This is what Republicans think ineffective negotiation looks like.  Apparently not getting exactly what you want is a failed negotiation.


No, they're just mad that the president doesn't also protect them from their own stupidity at this point.

"How could you agree to this bad idea that we put on the table? How dare you?!"
2013-01-28 06:37:37 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Did I miss some major cuts that bring us anywhere near a balanced budget?


Have the Republicans agreed to any tax increases?

(note: the fiscal cliff compromise is still considered by Norquist and Republicans as a 'tax cut,' since they waited for the Bush tax cuts to expire, then proceeded to 'cut taxes' for 99% of Americans)
2013-01-28 06:26:01 PM  
1 vote:
Food for thought: Fox news boasts how their ratings have been off the charts since 2008 so therefore they make more money when a Democrat is in office. I dont think that Fox is the buddy you think it is GOP

I think Fox News is a democrats best friend just by showing what horrible and incompetent people the Republicans and Ann Ryand people are
2013-01-28 06:22:00 PM  
1 vote:

cameroncrazy1984: The Stealth Hippopotamus: He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

When has this ever happened?


Here is one example:

i2.cdn.turner.com

You know that Obama that exists in the minds of the nutballs of the right but doesn't actually exist in reality?
2013-01-28 06:17:07 PM  
1 vote:
The GOP are trying to stitch their party back together and unite? Time to troll.
2013-01-28 06:16:23 PM  
1 vote:

vernonFL: I don't think there is such a thing as "Conservative Media"


The Economist is one of the few conservative rags remaining that hasn't yet gone through the rabbit hole, but it is a bit of a lone wolf these days.

The larger issue is that "conservative media" has essentially transformed into "conservative propaganda".  Bias in the news is nothing new.  Editorials about journalistic integrity have been making the pages for a few centuries now.  But it appears that things have gotten worse over the past few decades, especially at the national level.  More pages and airtime are being spent on single-sided commentary.  Self-criticism is almost non-existent.  Fringe positions are given center stage because they are edgy and provocative.  The tone has taken an incredibly us-vs-them view.


FTA: What he's saying is the media is not liberal enough

No, he's saying that the conservative media is not liberal enough.  You can move towards the center yet still remain a right-leaning publication.  There are societal benefits to having more centralist publications.  But instead, these guys hear (or say that they hear) that Obama wants an all-liberal media, which is a distortion of the truth.  It riles them up and makes them want to turn to the right even farther.

images59.fotki.com


xynix: Conservative media and even it's leader Murdock don't give two shiats about anything they talk about.


images60.fotki.com
2013-01-28 06:15:33 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.


When has this ever happened?
2013-01-28 06:05:20 PM  
1 vote:
"Fanatics are picturesque, mankind would rather see gestures than listen to reasons."
Friedrich Nietzsche
www.iep.utm.edu
The man with the sweet 'stache might be onto something....
2013-01-28 06:02:51 PM  
1 vote:
The GOP doth protest to much, methinks.
2013-01-28 06:02:11 PM  
1 vote:

Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".


I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

GAT_00: So 98% of your goals isn't enough?


98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

This is not blaming Obama! He is getting what he wants, the blame falls completely on the Republicans. In fact this is praising Obama. He's a heavy weight and we are sending in bantamweight fighters.
2013-01-28 05:50:51 PM  
1 vote:
Whats funny, is the article really doesn't deny it but instead tries to spin it saying it's ok that the right wing media in uncompromising and it itself that what it means to be conservative, unyielding.
2013-01-28 05:43:37 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well, if we could negotiate worth a darn I wouldn't mind Republicans talking to Obama. But we can't so no, no talking with Obama.


So 98% of your goals isn't enough?
2013-01-28 05:41:04 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well, if we could negotiate worth a darn I wouldn't mind Republicans talking to Obama. But we can't so no, no talking with Obama.


Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".
2013-01-28 05:36:36 PM  
1 vote:
Well, if we could negotiate worth a darn I wouldn't mind Republicans talking to Obama. But we can't so no, no talking with Obama.
2013-01-28 05:32:02 PM  
1 vote:
I don't think there is such a thing as "Conservative Media"

Fox News certainly isn't. NRO is a joke. But NRO is sane compared to Townhall, WND and American Thinker.

There was a time when it really was Liberals who were intellectually disnonest race-baiters. Now its the "Conservatives"
2013-01-28 05:11:21 PM  
1 vote:

Blues_X: And.... he's right.


So what?  Who put him in charge?   If the last election told us anything, it's that the American people soundly reject Obama's radical agenda.
2013-01-28 04:51:24 PM  
1 vote:

kbronsito: So Obama is "silencing" conservative media by saying bad things about them. And yet... I'm reading about it on conservative media. Whoaaaa!


You're just lucky those brave patriots are so brave and patriotic they decided not to be bullied.
 
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