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2013-01-28 04:44:02 PM  
It's almost as if he doesn't agree with us and isn't worried about making us mad!  How dare he!  What about our delicate feelings?  Stop being so MEAN, Obama!
 
2013-01-28 04:47:08 PM  
So Obama is "silencing" conservative media by saying bad things about them. And yet... I'm reading about it on conservative media. Whoaaaa!
 
2013-01-28 04:51:24 PM  

kbronsito: So Obama is "silencing" conservative media by saying bad things about them. And yet... I'm reading about it on conservative media. Whoaaaa!


You're just lucky those brave patriots are so brave and patriotic they decided not to be bullied.
 
2013-01-28 04:55:36 PM  
And.... he's right.
 
2013-01-28 05:09:00 PM  
Conservative media and even it's leader Murdock don't give two shiats about anything they talk about. Carl Rove probably does but he's a major exception to the rule. Conservative media is a business and like any business you have to find customers.. Talking heads are designed (grown maybe?) to maintain the customer base. They don't care about companies like Factcheck because that company doesn't effect their customer base. Any raving Republican will go down the list of talking points and if you present them with unequivocal facts to counter "their" opinion you will be ignored.

Billions of examples but one that just made me close my eyes was the Romney business model and the fact that my sister, a die hard repubtard, did not consider anything he did at Bain to be relevant to the presidency because he wasn't CEO when they did bad stuff. Even though he was CEO from 1978-1999 that did not count and she even told me so.. "What Romney did before 1999 isn't important." I still don't know why it wasn't important.

Anyways.. Just came to say: $$$$$$$$$$$$
 
2013-01-28 05:09:33 PM  
Here's their problem, right here
media.salon.com
The Republicans have sworn fealty to an imbecile
 
2013-01-28 05:10:30 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Here's their problem, right here
[media.salon.com image 660x440]
The Republicans have sworn fealty to an imbecile


this guy and wayne la pierre.

between the two of them, they control the GOP.
 
2013-01-28 05:11:21 PM  

Blues_X: And.... he's right.


So what?  Who put him in charge?   If the last election told us anything, it's that the American people soundly reject Obama's radical agenda.
 
2013-01-28 05:25:24 PM  
Of course they do.
 
2013-01-28 05:27:47 PM  
i.imgur.com

"Sources Cited" in the unsigned anonymous "article"

1) Breitbart
2) Media Research Center (Newsbusters, funded by Scaife and Olin and Exxon)
3) The "Center For Media in Public Affairs" (funded primarily through right-wing foundations) run by Fox News contributor and former American Enterprise Institute hack Sammy Licter

===

That's some fancy "newswriting," Lou. Next time try signing your name and having at least one non-partisan source.
 
2013-01-28 05:27:52 PM  
Author and syndicated columnist Ben Shapiro said Obama trying to challenge certain media outlets dates back to the start of his administration.
"He's talking about silencing members of the media he doesn't like," he told Fox News. "He's done that before -- this idea that Fox News is some sort of evil force in the media.  He's gone after Rush Limbaugh, talked about starting boycotts. This is what he does. He's a bully."

i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-28 05:28:36 PM  
So ... the beatings will continue?
 
2013-01-28 05:32:02 PM  
I don't think there is such a thing as "Conservative Media"

Fox News certainly isn't. NRO is a joke. But NRO is sane compared to Townhall, WND and American Thinker.

There was a time when it really was Liberals who were intellectually disnonest race-baiters. Now its the "Conservatives"
 
2013-01-28 05:36:36 PM  
Well, if we could negotiate worth a darn I wouldn't mind Republicans talking to Obama. But we can't so no, no talking with Obama.
 
2013-01-28 05:41:04 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well, if we could negotiate worth a darn I wouldn't mind Republicans talking to Obama. But we can't so no, no talking with Obama.


Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".
 
2013-01-28 05:43:37 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well, if we could negotiate worth a darn I wouldn't mind Republicans talking to Obama. But we can't so no, no talking with Obama.


So 98% of your goals isn't enough?
 
2013-01-28 05:50:51 PM  
Whats funny, is the article really doesn't deny it but instead tries to spin it saying it's ok that the right wing media in uncompromising and it itself that what it means to be conservative, unyielding.
 
2013-01-28 05:54:11 PM  
Ben Shapiro is a chucklehead.
 
2013-01-28 06:02:11 PM  

Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".


I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

GAT_00: So 98% of your goals isn't enough?


98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

This is not blaming Obama! He is getting what he wants, the blame falls completely on the Republicans. In fact this is praising Obama. He's a heavy weight and we are sending in bantamweight fighters.
 
2013-01-28 06:02:51 PM  
The GOP doth protest to much, methinks.
 
2013-01-28 06:04:11 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: bantamweight


o_O
 
2013-01-28 06:05:20 PM  
"Fanatics are picturesque, mankind would rather see gestures than listen to reasons."
Friedrich Nietzsche
www.iep.utm.edu
The man with the sweet 'stache might be onto something....
 
2013-01-28 06:05:42 PM  
So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.
 
2013-01-28 06:07:59 PM  
"He's talking about silencing members of the media he doesn't like,"


Nah, just assholes like you.
 
2013-01-28 06:09:43 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".

I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

GAT_00: So 98% of your goals isn't enough?

98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

This is not blaming Obama! He is getting what he wants, the blame falls completely on the Republicans. In fact this is praising Obama. He's a heavy weight and we are sending in bantamweight fighters.


Were you in a coma during the debt ceiling debacle?
 
2013-01-28 06:15:33 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.


When has this ever happened?
 
2013-01-28 06:16:23 PM  

vernonFL: I don't think there is such a thing as "Conservative Media"


The Economist is one of the few conservative rags remaining that hasn't yet gone through the rabbit hole, but it is a bit of a lone wolf these days.

The larger issue is that "conservative media" has essentially transformed into "conservative propaganda".  Bias in the news is nothing new.  Editorials about journalistic integrity have been making the pages for a few centuries now.  But it appears that things have gotten worse over the past few decades, especially at the national level.  More pages and airtime are being spent on single-sided commentary.  Self-criticism is almost non-existent.  Fringe positions are given center stage because they are edgy and provocative.  The tone has taken an incredibly us-vs-them view.


FTA: What he's saying is the media is not liberal enough

No, he's saying that the conservative media is not liberal enough.  You can move towards the center yet still remain a right-leaning publication.  There are societal benefits to having more centralist publications.  But instead, these guys hear (or say that they hear) that Obama wants an all-liberal media, which is a distortion of the truth.  It riles them up and makes them want to turn to the right even farther.

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xynix: Conservative media and even it's leader Murdock don't give two shiats about anything they talk about.


images60.fotki.com
 
2013-01-28 06:16:26 PM  
"He's talking about silencing members of the media he doesn't like,"


Yes, that's exactly what he's talking about.
 
2013-01-28 06:17:07 PM  
The GOP are trying to stitch their party back together and unite? Time to troll.
 
2013-01-28 06:18:41 PM  
I for one, welcome our new Bi-Fartbongo overlord....
stutteringmessiah.files.wordpress.com
It's like a bifurcation, only with more glitter.
 
2013-01-28 06:18:59 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".

I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

GAT_00: So 98% of your goals isn't enough?

98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

This is not blaming Obama! He is getting what he wants, the blame falls completely on the Republicans. In fact this is praising Obama. He's a heavy weight and we are sending in bantamweight fighters.

Were you in a coma during the debt ceiling debacle?


Short answer: Yes.
 
2013-01-28 06:19:11 PM  

Yakk: The GOP are trying to stitch their party back together and unite? Time to troll.


No better man for the job than B-Rock "The Islamic Shock" Hussein Superallah Trollbama.
 
2013-01-28 06:19:25 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The Stealth Hippopotamus: He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

When has this ever happened?


I guess that's the theme this week. Obama is so SMART and POWERFUL that the poor helpless Republicans can't do shiat to stop them because they don't have a single person who isn't such a damn pussy who can even hope to stand up to him.
 
2013-01-28 06:20:35 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".

I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.


It's what a lot of conservative have said.

Where does he spend 30 minutes in a speech "bad mouthing and name calling" can you give us some examples or you want to admit now this was a complete bullshiat remark and save us ll the trouble of me showing you are full of shiat?
 
2013-01-28 06:20:40 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: 98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.


John Boehner: When you look at this final agreement [on the debt ceiling] that we came to with the White House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

This is what Republicans think ineffective negotiation looks like.  Apparently not getting exactly what you want is a failed negotiation.
 
2013-01-28 06:21:52 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.


The law known as "Obamacare" was based on the alternative to universal healthcare that Republicans came up with in the 90s. You got 100% of what you wanted in that case. Most liberals wanted something closer to European-style socialized healthcare. The Republicans, once Obama chose to use their plan, suddenly decided that their plan was actually European-style socialized healthcare.

/I think the 98% figure is a direct quote from Boehner in reference to the last debt ceiling deal.

Link
 
2013-01-28 06:22:00 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The Stealth Hippopotamus: He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

When has this ever happened?


Here is one example:

i2.cdn.turner.com

You know that Obama that exists in the minds of the nutballs of the right but doesn't actually exist in reality?
 
2013-01-28 06:23:41 PM  

HighOnCraic: Most liberals wanted something closer to European-style socialized healthcare.


Many places in Europe have healthcare programs closer to "Obamacare" like Germany and Switzerland. The belief that they all have single payer or government run healthcare is a myth.
 
2013-01-28 06:24:16 PM  

fireside68: Short answer: Yes.



Did I miss some major cuts that bring us anywhere near a balanced budget?
 
2013-01-28 06:25:10 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: fireside68: Short answer: Yes.


Did I miss some major cuts that bring us anywhere near a balanced budget?


You believe that is what the Republicans were negotiating to achieve?
 
2013-01-28 06:25:14 PM  
Obama doesn't want bipartisanship.
 
2013-01-28 06:25:30 PM  

GAT_00: John Boehner: When you look at this final agreement [on the debt ceiling] that we came to with the White House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

This is what Republicans think ineffective negotiation looks like. Apparently not getting exactly what you want is a failed negotiation.




And you wonder why I call the current Republican leadership lightweights.
 
2013-01-28 06:25:42 PM  

Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: The Stealth Hippopotamus: He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

When has this ever happened?

Here is one example:

[i2.cdn.turner.com image 640x360]

You know that Obama that exists in the minds of the nutballs of the right but doesn't actually exist in reality?


Ah yes, Invisible Obama.
 
2013-01-28 06:26:01 PM  
Food for thought: Fox news boasts how their ratings have been off the charts since 2008 so therefore they make more money when a Democrat is in office. I dont think that Fox is the buddy you think it is GOP

I think Fox News is a democrats best friend just by showing what horrible and incompetent people the Republicans and Ann Ryand people are
 
2013-01-28 06:26:14 PM  

Corvus: HighOnCraic: Most liberals wanted something closer to European-style socialized healthcare.

Many places in Europe have healthcare programs closer to "Obamacare" like Germany and Switzerland. The belief that they all have single payer or government run healthcare is a myth.


But that just sucks the fun out of the joke in my post.
 
2013-01-28 06:26:14 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: fireside68: Short answer: Yes.


Did I miss some major cuts that bring us anywhere near a balanced budget?


Why do budgets only matter when a Democrat is president?
 
2013-01-28 06:26:19 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: fireside68: Short answer: Yes.


Did I miss some major cuts that bring us anywhere near a balanced budget?


About $1.2 trillion worth, yes. The deficit is down to somewhere in the neighborhood of $600b now.
 
2013-01-28 06:27:16 PM  

Mrbogey: Obama doesn't want bipartisanship.


Who would? Have you seen the other party?
 
2013-01-28 06:27:28 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: fireside68: Short answer: Yes.


Did I miss some major cuts that bring us anywhere near a balanced budget?


We had an election. The idea that we should do massive cuts to put our economy in the shiatter like the did in Europe lost. Maybe you were asleep for the election then.

The Democrats won, the Republican lost why do you think that means Obama and Democrats must fall in with Republicans failed economic policies?
 
2013-01-28 06:29:40 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Were you in a coma during the debt ceiling debacle?


I'm beginning to think many liberals were.

If you look back at Obama's dealings with Boehner et al in 2011-2012, you'll typically find that he makes a big show of allowing Boehner to publicly save face but has generally put the screws to him in the details.

In that debt ceiling "debacle", Obama got what he wanted for another year while getting Boehner to give him additional leverage (defense sequestration cuts) for the next fight while predominantly making "concessions" out of cuts that were already planned along with assorted budget tricks.

Boehner got 98% of what he wanted... in press coverage. The deal itself? He got rolled like a booze filled orange frosted donut.
 
2013-01-28 06:30:00 PM  

GAT_00: The Stealth Hippopotamus: 98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

John Boehner: When you look at this final agreement [on the debt ceiling] that we came to with the White House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

This is what Republicans think ineffective negotiation looks like.  Apparently not getting exactly what you want is a failed negotiation.


But the remaining 2% consisted of making Sarah Palin the vice-president and giving RPGs to pre-schoolers!
 
2013-01-28 06:30:15 PM  

Somacandra: "Sources Cited" in the unsigned anonymous "article"

1) Breitbart
2) Media Research Center (Newsbusters, funded by Scaife and Olin and Exxon)
3) The "Center For Media in Public Affairs" (funded primarily through right-wing foundations) run by Fox News contributor and former American Enterprise Institute hack Sammy Licter

===

That's some fancy "newswriting," Lou. Next time try signing your name and having at least one non-partisan source.


You know that the GOP's ideas can't survive outside an echo chamber.
 
2013-01-28 06:30:19 PM  

yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.


Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.
 
2013-01-28 06:32:06 PM  

Aexia: Philip Francis Queeg: Were you in a coma during the debt ceiling debacle?

I'm beginning to think many liberals were.

If you look back at Obama's dealings with Boehner et al in 2011-2012, you'll typically find that he makes a big show of allowing Boehner to publicly save face but has generally put the screws to him in the details.

In that debt ceiling "debacle", Obama got what he wanted for another year while getting Boehner to give him additional leverage (defense sequestration cuts) for the next fight while predominantly making "concessions" out of cuts that were already planned along with assorted budget tricks.

Boehner got 98% of what he wanted... in press coverage. The deal itself? He got rolled like a booze filled orange frosted donut.


The sequestration cuts hurt both sides pretty much equally. Obama got no movement on tax rates, and a cut to the credit rating of the US in the process. If that is really what Obama wanted a year before running for re-election, then he is a remarkably stupid man.
 
2013-01-28 06:34:51 PM  
No one cries more than the bully when he gets called on his shiat.
 
2013-01-28 06:34:54 PM  
How is saying "What you're doing is unproductive at best" attempting to silence anyone? Goddamn, what kind of panty-waste insecure child feels personally threatened by the slightest hint of criticism? Oh, right.
 
2013-01-28 06:36:22 PM  
Actually, that would be a huge help. To republicans and democrats.
 
2013-01-28 06:36:37 PM  
Obama's just trolling now...
 
2013-01-28 06:36:37 PM  

Corvus: HighOnCraic: Most liberals wanted something closer to European-style socialized healthcare.

Many places in Europe have healthcare programs closer to "Obamacare" like Germany and Switzerland. The belief that they all have single payer or government run healthcare is a myth.


I can't honestly speak for Switzerland and don't feel like looking into it, but Germany does have 'government run healthcare'. They have a two part system with an overwhelming majority of the population availing themselves of the 'public option' while a small remainder opt for supplementary private coverage.

I actually think that Germany has about the best system for the US to move towards. It'd be really pretty easy. Expand medicare to cover everyone for basic coverage, continue to allow private plans as supplementary for anyone who wants to pay extra for additional services. Done and done.

Long story short, Germany has a plan much closer to 'socialized' than "Obamacare". Perhaps just a bad example?
 
2013-01-28 06:36:57 PM  
"One of the biggest factors is going to be how the media shapes debates. If a Republican member of Congress is not punished on Fox News or by Rush Limbaugh for working with a Democrat on a bill of common interest, then you'll see more of them doing it," he said.

I hope Limbaugh (and his buddies) go ballistic over this statement.  I hope they go whole hog wild and lay down the law with GOP legislators...I want Limbaugh to CRUSH his legislative allies, force their heads down in abject submission...and I want the entire world to watch as he does it.  then when the inevitable backlash happens...I want Rush Limbaugh to say 'hey, i'm just an entertainer.'

this would please me greatly.
 
2013-01-28 06:37:10 PM  
So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

Sounds like the same ol' divide and try to conquer again. Same Obama approach, slightly different language.
 
2013-01-28 06:37:37 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Did I miss some major cuts that bring us anywhere near a balanced budget?


Have the Republicans agreed to any tax increases?

(note: the fiscal cliff compromise is still considered by Norquist and Republicans as a 'tax cut,' since they waited for the Bush tax cuts to expire, then proceeded to 'cut taxes' for 99% of Americans)
 
2013-01-28 06:37:44 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.


i.imgur.com

One for the Birther.
 
2013-01-28 06:40:24 PM  

GAT_00: The Stealth Hippopotamus: 98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

John Boehner: When you look at this final agreement [on the debt ceiling] that we came to with the White House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

This is what Republicans think ineffective negotiation looks like.  Apparently not getting exactly what you want is a failed negotiation.


No, they're just mad that the president doesn't also protect them from their own stupidity at this point.

"How could you agree to this bad idea that we put on the table? How dare you?!"
 
2013-01-28 06:42:55 PM  

Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?


I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.
 
2013-01-28 06:42:59 PM  

Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?


It's bad to point out the truth?
 
2013-01-28 06:43:19 PM  
Man, no one projects like a republican. So seamless nowadays. I do hand it to them, they are fooling quite a few people.
 
2013-01-28 06:43:28 PM  
Read an article today that said Obama's walking a tightrope pushing his immigration agenda. They don't want to have him too closely associated with it or the GOP will reflexively oppose it. Of course then I had the evil thought "Well, why not just go ahead and slap Obama's name right on a package of common-sense reforms?" Then when the GOP does oppose it they look like immigrant-hating obstructionist asshats.
 
2013-01-28 06:44:22 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: GAT_00: John Boehner: When you look at this final agreement [on the debt ceiling] that we came to with the White House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

This is what Republicans think ineffective negotiation looks like. Apparently not getting exactly what you want is a failed negotiation.

And you wonder why I call the current Republican leadership lightweights.


and yet you support them on everything unequivocally.
 
2013-01-28 06:45:00 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: GAT_00: John Boehner: When you look at this final agreement [on the debt ceiling] that we came to with the White House, I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy.

This is what Republicans think ineffective negotiation looks like. Apparently not getting exactly what you want is a failed negotiation.

And you wonder why I call the current Republican leadership lightweights.


Because they only got 98% of what they wanted?
 
2013-01-28 06:45:34 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".

I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

GAT_00: So 98% of your goals isn't enough?

98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

This is not blaming Obama! He is getting what he wants, the blame falls completely on the Republicans. In fact this is praising Obama. He's a heavy weight and we are sending in bantamweight fighters.


"I really don't understand how bipartisanship is ever going to work when one of the parties is insane. Imagine trying to negotiate an agreement on dinner plans with your date, and you suggest Italian and she states her preference would be a meal of tire rims and anthrax. If you can figure out a way to split the difference there and find a meal you will both enjoy, you can probably figure out how bipartisanship is going to work the next few years."

John Cole
 
2013-01-28 06:45:57 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Obama is so SMART and POWERFUL that the poor helpless Republicans can't do shiat to stop them because they don't have a single person who isn't such a damn pussy who can even hope to stand up to him.


i2.cdn.turner.com

How could anyone? It's obvious the man is a goddamn ninja. You can't even SEE HIM here.
 
2013-01-28 06:47:00 PM  

vernonFL: I don't think there is such a thing as "Conservative Media"

Fox News certainly isn't. NRO is a joke. But NRO is sane compared to Townhall, WND and American Thinker.

There was a time when it really was Liberals who were intellectually disnonest race-baiters. Now its the "Conservatives"


I don't remember such a time. Perhaps the Democrats were like that, but they were hardly liberal then.
 
2013-01-28 06:47:00 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

It's bad to point out the truth?


The Republicans saying Obama is leading the country down a path to socialism? That sort of tunnel-vision truth?

No, leave those truths to the pundits and make honest efforts to pass legislation for the benefit of the country.
 
2013-01-28 06:47:32 PM  

Weaver95: I hope Limbaugh (and his buddies) go ballistic over this statement.  I hope they go whole hog wild and lay down the law with GOP legislators...I want Limbaugh to CRUSH his legislative allies, force their heads down in abject submission...and I want the entire world to watch as he does it.


He kind of has to now doesn't he? If he doesn't attack every and all GOP members that talk to the president, it looks like he caved to the President.
 
2013-01-28 06:49:08 PM  

Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

Sounds like the same ol' divide and try to conquer again. Same Obama approach, slightly different language.


The reality, of course, is that Republicans are not at all at the bidding of right-wing media figures like Rush, and they are perfectly free to criticize him--he's just an entertainer, after all.
 
2013-01-28 06:49:16 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

It's bad to point out the truth?


If it's against Republicans it is!
 
2013-01-28 06:49:22 PM  

Cletus C.: The Republicans saying Obama is leading the country down a path to socialism? That sort of tunnel-vision truth?

No, leave those truths to the pundits and make honest efforts to pass legislation for the benefit of the country.


It's not easy when the party you have to be bipartisan with openly admits their number one goal is to make sure you don't get re-elected. Not help the country, not improve the economy, make sure Obama doesn't get re-elected.
 
2013-01-28 06:49:43 PM  

Weaver95: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.


static01.mediaite.com
 
2013-01-28 06:49:56 PM  

Weaver95: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.


This. It's not a negotiating tactic or headgames or anything. It's a statement of fact.
 
2013-01-28 06:49:57 PM  

impaler: Weaver95: I hope Limbaugh (and his buddies) go ballistic over this statement.  I hope they go whole hog wild and lay down the law with GOP legislators...I want Limbaugh to CRUSH his legislative allies, force their heads down in abject submission...and I want the entire world to watch as he does it.

He kind of has to now doesn't he? If he doesn't attack every and all GOP members that talk to the president, it looks like he caved to the President.


yup.  Rush *has* to ramp up his rhetoric, he HAS to lean on his GOP buddies.  if he backs down one iota, it'll look like he's caved to the President's demands.  the more I think about this, the more brilliant a move I think it is...
 
2013-01-28 06:50:04 PM  
Lame duck! Lame duck! Quack, quack! Look at that lame duck! I bet he even eats fancy grass like a duck! What a mighty quack! Look at those fluffy, magnificent feathers, smooth rippling beak, the sinuous lines of the...*dabs at forehead with handkerchief* BENGHAZI!!
 
2013-01-28 06:50:14 PM  

Dinjiin: vernonFL: I don't think there is such a thing as "Conservative Media"

The Economist is one of the few conservative rags remaining that hasn't yet gone through the rabbit hole, but it is a bit of a lone wolf these days.

The larger issue is that "conservative media" has essentially transformed into "conservative propaganda".  Bias in the news is nothing new.  Editorials about journalistic integrity have been making the pages for a few centuries now.  But it appears that things have gotten worse over the past few decades, especially at the national level.  More pages and airtime are being spent on single-sided commentary.  Self-criticism is almost non-existent.  Fringe positions are given center stage because they are edgy and provocative.  The tone has taken an incredibly us-vs-them view.


FTA: What he's saying is the media is not liberal enough

No, he's saying that the conservative media is not liberal enough.  You can move towards the center yet still remain a right-leaning publication.  There are societal benefits to having more centralist publications.  But instead, these guys hear (or say that they hear) that Obama wants an all-liberal media, which is a distortion of the truth.  It riles them up and makes them want to turn to the right even farther.

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xynix: Conservative media and even it's leader Murdock don't give two shiats about anything they talk about.

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Max, I'm so glad you've came to me. I've been through it all myself you see. Your reality is already half video hallucination. If you're not careful, it will become total hallucination. You'll have to learn to live in a very strange new world... I had a brain tumour and I had visions. I believe the visions cause the tumour and not the reverse. I can feel the visions coalsce and become flesh. Uncontrollable flesh. But when they removed the tumour, it was called Videodrome Fox News.
 
2013-01-28 06:51:19 PM  

fusillade762: Read an article today that said Obama's walking a tightrope pushing his immigration agenda. They don't want to have him too closely associated with it or the GOP will reflexively oppose it. Of course then I had the evil thought "Well, why not just go ahead and slap Obama's name right on a package of common-sense reforms?" Then when the GOP does oppose it they look like immigrant-hating obstructionist asshats.


He's not really walking a tight-rope though.

Anything that has a chance of getting signed will be tossed by the Tea Party in the House the moment Obama shows any support of it.

These are people that can turn on a dime the moment Obama comes out for something they once endorsed.

Obama could say "Ok, we'll build a wall along the border", and the Tea Party would oppose it on grounds that Obama was using it as a giveaway to "construction union thugs" and "walls also keep people in".
 
2013-01-28 06:51:50 PM  

kasmel: I can't honestly speak for Switzerland and don't feel like looking into it, but Germany does have 'government run healthcare'. They have a two part system with an overwhelming majority of the population availing themselves of the 'public option' while a small remainder opt for supplementary private coverage.

I actually think that Germany has about the best system for the US to move towards. It'd be really pretty easy. Expand medicare to cover everyone for basic coverage, continue to allow private plans as supplementary for anyone who wants to pay extra for additional services. Done and done.

Long story short, Germany has a plan much closer to 'socialized' than "Obamacare". Perhaps just a bad example?


That's not single payer. It's not even close to single payer. You understand the "single payer" part means there is only ONE payer not many.

No being able to buy private healthcare plans and go to private doctors is not "government ran healthcare".
 
2013-01-28 06:52:50 PM  

lennavan: Cletus C.: The Republicans saying Obama is leading the country down a path to socialism? That sort of tunnel-vision truth?

No, leave those truths to the pundits and make honest efforts to pass legislation for the benefit of the country.

It's not easy when the party you have to be bipartisan with openly admits their number one goal is to make sure you don't get re-elected. Not help the country, not improve the economy, make sure Obama doesn't get re-elected.


Uh, sure. That didn't work out so well for them so we should move on, no? Plus, stated or not, the party out of power always makes it their goal, No. 1 or not, to take back the presidency. So much was made of that it would have made Limbaugh proud, were the parties switched.
 
2013-01-28 06:54:05 PM  

Cletus C.: [static01.mediaite.com image 320x210]


What about Chris Matthews? That guy loves whoever's in power at the moment. He loved Bush when he was in office and now has a thing for Obama. He's sexually attracted to the Presidency. Not the President. The Presidency.
 
2013-01-28 06:55:02 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.


Today, he's too weak towards our enemies. Tomorrow, it'll be back to, "LOL--president Peace-prize just personally wiped out another village with drone strikes, OMG, he ordered the death of an American citizen, why did he have to go and kill Osama without putting him on trial, and how come he hasn't brought the troops back from Afghanistan, suck it, libs!"
 
2013-01-28 06:55:38 PM  

FlashHarry: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Here's their problem, right here
[media.salon.com image 660x440]
The Republicans have sworn fealty to an imbecile

this guy and wayne la pierre.

between the two of them, they control the GOP.


Did you know that Grover is on the board of the NRA?
 
2013-01-28 06:55:52 PM  

impaler: Weaver95: I hope Limbaugh (and his buddies) go ballistic over this statement.  I hope they go whole hog wild and lay down the law with GOP legislators...I want Limbaugh to CRUSH his legislative allies, force their heads down in abject submission...and I want the entire world to watch as he does it.

He kind of has to now doesn't he? If he doesn't attack every and all GOP members that talk to the president, it looks like he caved to the President.


I always suspected Rush was into abject submission....
 
2013-01-28 06:56:02 PM  

Kome: How is saying "What you're doing is unproductive at best" attempting to silence anyone? Goddamn, what kind of panty-waist insecure child feels personally threatened by the slightest hint of criticism? Oh, right.


I've been assured on numerous occasions that the women's underwear issue is "strictly a comfort thing."
 
hej [TotalFark]
2013-01-28 06:57:28 PM  

kbronsito: So Obama is "silencing" conservative media by saying bad things about them. And yet... I'm reading about it on conservative media. Whoaaaa!


Fox News doesn't consider themselves to be a media outlet.
 
2013-01-28 06:57:47 PM  

kasmel: Corvus: HighOnCraic: Most liberals wanted something closer to European-style socialized healthcare.

Many places in Europe have healthcare programs closer to "Obamacare" like Germany and Switzerland. The belief that they all have single payer or government run healthcare is a myth.

I can't honestly speak for Switzerland and don't feel like looking into it, but Germany does have 'government run healthcare'. They have a two part system with an overwhelming majority of the population availing themselves of the 'public option' while a small remainder opt for supplementary private coverage.

I actually think that Germany has about the best system for the US to move towards. It'd be really pretty easy. Expand medicare to cover everyone for basic coverage, continue to allow private plans as supplementary for anyone who wants to pay extra for additional services. Done and done.

Long story short, Germany has a plan much closer to 'socialized' than "Obamacare". Perhaps just a bad example?


Having private run insurance and medical is not "government run healthcare". Government run healthcare is like England has. Everyone through healthcare in England work for the government. i don't understand how you think private groups are "government run" or muliple groups are "single payer" they are not.


Germany has a universal multi-payer system with two main types of health insurance. Germans are offered three mandatory health benefits, which are co-financed by employer and employee: health insurance, accident insurance, and long-term care insurance.

There are two separate types of health insurance: public health insurance (Gesetzliche Krankenversicherung) and private insurance (Private Krankenversicherung). Both systems struggle with the increasing cost of medical treatment and the changing demography. About 87.5% of the persons with health insurance are members of the public system, while 12.5% are covered by private insurance (as of 2006).[14]


It's just Obamacare with the public option. That is not "government running all care and health insurance" which is the definition of government run health care.
 
2013-01-28 06:58:03 PM  
You know, considering how tough the GOP likes to present themselves as, they sure are a big bunch of blubbering vaginas.
 
2013-01-28 07:02:21 PM  

meat0918: fusillade762: Read an article today that said Obama's walking a tightrope pushing his immigration agenda. They don't want to have him too closely associated with it or the GOP will reflexively oppose it. Of course then I had the evil thought "Well, why not just go ahead and slap Obama's name right on a package of common-sense reforms?" Then when the GOP does oppose it they look like immigrant-hating obstructionist asshats.

He's not really walking a tight-rope though.

Anything that has a chance of getting signed will be tossed by the Tea Party in the House the moment Obama shows any support of it.

These are people that can turn on a dime the moment Obama comes out for something they once endorsed.

Obama could say "Ok, we'll build a wall along the border", and the Tea Party would oppose it on grounds that Obama was using it as a giveaway to "construction union thugs" and "walls also keep people in".


I've long thought Obama should come out in favor of oxygen just to watch all the Tea Party folks immediately put plastic bags over their heads.
 
2013-01-28 07:02:48 PM  

hej: kbronsito: So Obama is "silencing" conservative media by saying bad things about them. And yet... I'm reading about it on conservative media. Whoaaaa!

Fox News doesn't consider themselves to be a media outlet.


Neither does anyone intelligent.
 
2013-01-28 07:04:31 PM  

Nadie_AZ: So ... the beatings will continue?


I certainly hope so. They are extremely effective. At what, I don't exactly know.

I'll think of something.
 
2013-01-28 07:07:17 PM  

Cletus C.: Weaver95: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.

[static01.mediaite.com image 320x210]


So when was the last time that Chris Matthews forced a Democratic politician to apologize to him?

Because Rush has done that plenty of times to Republicans. Even the Republican leaders, if you recall.
 
2013-01-28 07:08:49 PM  

HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.

Today, he's too weak towards our enemies.


Non sequitur. Arnold wasn't "too weak" towards the British.
 
2013-01-28 07:10:15 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".

I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

GAT_00: So 98% of your goals isn't enough?

98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

This is not blaming Obama! He is getting what he wants, the blame falls completely on the Republicans. In fact this is praising Obama. He's a heavy weight and we are sending in bantamweight fighters.


That's not actually how Obamacare works...
 
2013-01-28 07:10:32 PM  

Kome: hej: kbronsito: So Obama is "silencing" conservative media by saying bad things about them. And yet... I'm reading about it on conservative media. Whoaaaa!

Fox News doesn't consider themselves to be a media outlet.

Neither does anyone intelligent.


Propaganda is a KIND of medium.
 
2013-01-28 07:11:10 PM  
wow.  the more I ponder this story, the more I think it's a trap Limbaugh can't avoid.  He *has* to pitch a fit about it.  he'll feel as if he's got no choice but to go after the GOP and enforce obedience to 'the american cause'.  which is all kinds of bad - bad for the GOP, bad for Limbaugh, bad for the GOP media machine.  they'll be forced to turn inward on themselves and make sure that rigid, unyielding obedience is the order of the day.  no dissent will be permitted, not even a little bit.

And while they're doing that to themselves....Obama is free to do whatever he'd like.
 
2013-01-28 07:11:14 PM  

Corvus: That's not single payer. It's not even close to single payer. You understand the "single payer" part means there is only ONE payer not many.

No being able to buy private healthcare plans and go to private doctors is not "government ran healthcare".


Um.

From wiki.

Germany has a universal multi-payer health care system with two main types of health insurance: "Law-enforced health insurance" (Gesetzliche Krankenversicherung) known as sickness funds and "Private" (Private Krankenversicherung).[1][2][3]
Compulsory insurance applies to those below a set income level and is provided through private non-profit "sickness funds" at common rates for all members, and is paid for with joint employer-employee contributions.

All salaried employees must have public health insurance. Only public officers, self-employed people and employees with a large income, above c. €50,000.00 (adjusted yearly), may join the private system.

In the Public system the premium is

set by the Federal Ministry of Health based on a fixed set of covered services as described in the German Social Law (Sozialgesetzbuch - SGB), which limits those services to "economically viable, sufficient, necessary and meaningful services"

not dependent on an individual's health condition, but a percentage (currently 15.5%) of salaried income.
includes family members of any family members, or "registered member" ( Familienversicherung - i.e., husband/wife and children are free)

a "pay as you go" system - there is no saving for an individual's higher health costs with rising age or existing conditions."

So, there's a law that makes entry into the government health care plan mandatory unless you meet certain criteria and choose to opt-out and seek more expensive private coverage. That sounds an awful lot like a government run health care system.

Corvus: The belief that they all have single payer or government run healthcare is a myth.


You mentioned 'single payer' OR 'government run healthcare' clearly as distinct and separate things since you didn't include commas to indicate that 'government run healthcare' was a nomitive clause of single-payer. Which means that your characterization of Germany not having 'government run healthcare' is clearly incorrect. They do not have single-payer, but they do have a mandatory public health insurance system.

If you misspoke in regards to your characterization or if you'd like to amend your description please feel free. I stand by the notion that not only does Germany clearly have a government run healthcare system, it is also clearly far closer to 'socialized medicine' than "Obamacare".
 
2013-01-28 07:11:23 PM  
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The Tea Party embrace of death!
 
2013-01-28 07:12:21 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.

Today, he's too weak towards our enemies.

Non sequitur. Arnold wasn't "too weak" towards the British.


www3.pictures.zimbio.com

What a dirty traitor.
 
2013-01-28 07:12:38 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.

Today, he's too weak towards our enemies.

Non sequitur. Arnold wasn't "too weak" towards the British.


Non sequitor. Arnold didn't kill an British leaders or bomb any British fortresses.
 
2013-01-28 07:13:03 PM  
These poor bastards couldn't logic their way out of the back seat, while engaged in a mind-meld with Mr. Spock.
 
2013-01-28 07:13:20 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 300x182]

"Sources Cited" in the unsigned anonymous "article"

1) Breitbart
2) Media Research Center (Newsbusters, funded by Scaife and Olin and Exxon)
3) The "Center For Media in Public Affairs" (funded primarily through right-wing foundations) run by Fox News contributor and former American Enterprise Institute hack Sammy Licter

===

That's some fancy "newswriting," Lou. Next time try signing your name and having at least one non-partisan source.


Came here to say something along these lines. They respond to an allegation of having a right-wing bias by getting refuting statements from other openly right-wing organizations, and none from any unaffiliated, independent sources. I'm going out on a limb here and assuming 99% of their readership won't notice this fact at all. "Fair and Balanced," folks!
 
2013-01-28 07:15:35 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Cletus C.: Weaver95: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.

[static01.mediaite.com image 320x210]

So when was the last time that Chris Matthews forced a Democratic politician to apologize to him?

Because Rush has done that plenty of times to Republicans. Even the Republican leaders, if you recall.


Michael Steele apologizing after taking some shots at Limbaugh? He was forced by Limbaugh to do that? Whatevah.
 
2013-01-28 07:16:24 PM  
Personally I hope Republicans are so insistent that they not meet the President halfway in any shape or form that they collectively fall on their swords rather than interact with him. That'll show that brown skinned Kenyan Socialist guy! Let's see him be bipartisan when there are no Republicans left!

But seriously, that would be a shame. When conservatives aren't being enormous douchebags they serve a constructive purpose in society as a counterpoint to progressives. Unfortunately, all of those sane conservatives are Democrats now, and the Republican party as a whole seems to be one tuck away from being Ann Coulter clones most of the time.
 
2013-01-28 07:19:26 PM  
Quote of Obama FTFA: "So I don't think the issue is whether or not there are people of goodwill in either party that want to get something done."

forums.kleientertainment.com

Either Obama is just playing nice for moderates/independents, or he is actually, literally, incapable of learning, like a rock or a plant.

Unfortunately, given his record of dealing with Republicans, I really can't tell which it is.
 
2013-01-28 07:20:40 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.

Today, he's too weak towards our enemies.

Non sequitur. Arnold wasn't "too weak" towards the British.

[www3.pictures.zimbio.com image 594x396]

What a dirty traitor.


blacksportsonline.com

And he was very brave when he stood up to The Gooch.
 
2013-01-28 07:24:22 PM  

Weaver95: And while they're doing that to themselves....Obama is free to do whatever he'd like.


if this were chess, right now I'd say Obama has two queens, a rook, and both bishops... while Limbaugh is left with nothing but a couple pawns and his king.
 
2013-01-28 07:25:18 PM  
i.imgur.com

I'll just leave this here. Even though I'm a registered Green -- its still quite enjoyable.
 
2013-01-28 07:25:41 PM  

Mrbogey: Obama doesn't want bipartisanship.


If he keeps it up he'll get punched in the face.
 
2013-01-28 07:26:29 PM  

Cletus C.: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Cletus C.: Weaver95: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.

[static01.mediaite.com image 320x210]

So when was the last time that Chris Matthews forced a Democratic politician to apologize to him?

Because Rush has done that plenty of times to Republicans. Even the Republican leaders, if you recall.

Michael Steele apologizing after taking some shots at Limbaugh? He was forced by Limbaugh to do that? Whatevah.


"[House Speaker John] Boehner comes out and says Rush's language was inappropriate. Using the salad fork for your entrée, that's inappropriate. Not this stuff," Will said. "And it was depressing because what it indicates is that the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh. They want to bomb Iran, but they're afraid of Rush Limbaugh."

Link
/Of course, George Will is a well-known liberal who's biased against the Republican Party. . .
 
2013-01-28 07:26:43 PM  

The Name: Quote of Obama FTFA: "So I don't think the issue is whether or not there are people of goodwill in either party that want to get something done."

[forums.kleientertainment.com image 375x300]

Either Obama is just playing nice for moderates/independents, or he is actually, literally, incapable of learning, like a rock or a plant.

Unfortunately, given his record of dealing with Republicans, I really can't tell which it is.


What can you do? He's the president. He has to be nice, set a good example, and say the polite things in public, no matter how childish or petulant the opposition is. What he does behind the scenes is an entirely different matter.

To paraphrase another famous president, it's not how softly you speak, it's how big the stick you're carrying is.
 
2013-01-28 07:26:49 PM  

Corvus: That is not "government running all care and health insurance" which is the definition of government run health care.


I disagree with your definition of 'government run health care'. I feel that you're conflating 'single-payer' and 'government run'. Statutory insurance (tax withholding) accounts for ~%70 of outlays for health care expenses and public (government) funds make up another 12-15%. So %82-85 of all expenditures for health-care in Germany are either directly from the public health care system or are actually from subsidies paid by the government for people too poor to pay copays. The remaining 15% are paid by people for extra services not covered under the public plan, or by private health insurance plans.

So Germany DOES have government run health care. It's just not EXCLUSIVELY government run health care. Just mostly. Which, to be perfectly honest, I would prefer anyway. I don't think that insurance companies should be outlawed, or all health care service providers made government employees, but I think that a viable public option would keep the private companies honest. Or at least more honest than they are now.
 
2013-01-28 07:30:23 PM  

HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.

Today, he's too weak towards our enemies.

Non sequitur. Arnold wasn't "too weak" towards the British.

Non sequitor. Arnold didn't kill an British leaders or bomb any British fortresses.


On which date?...
 
2013-01-28 07:31:26 PM  
George Will: "They want to bomb Iran, but they're afraid of Rush Limbaugh."

And as the old saying goes:

"If Republicans can't stand up to Rush Limbaugh, how can Republicans sit down to poop?"

At least I think that's how the old saying goes.
 
2013-01-28 07:36:17 PM  

HighOnCraic: Cletus C.: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Cletus C.: Weaver95: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.

[static01.mediaite.com image 320x210]

So when was the last time that Chris Matthews forced a Democratic politician to apologize to him?

Because Rush has done that plenty of times to Republicans. Even the Republican leaders, if you recall.

Michael Steele apologizing after taking some shots at Limbaugh? He was forced by Limbaugh to do that? Whatevah.

"[House Speaker John] Boehner comes out and says Rush's language was inappropriate. Using the salad fork for your entrée, that's inappropriate. Not this stuff," Will said. "And it was depressing because what it indicates is that the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh. They want to bomb Iran, but they're afraid of Rush Limbaugh."

Link
/Of course, George Will is a well-known liberal who's biased against the Republican Party. . .


Hey, we agree Republicans should not be bending to the will of talking head blowhards. Just like Democrats shouldn't be kowtowing to MSNBC, the NYT or Jon Stewart.

It doesn't help forge good working relationships to accuse them of doing so, which was my original point.
 
2013-01-28 07:40:24 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".

I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.


I love when Republicans project their projection. It's so meta.

GAT_00: So 98% of your goals isn't enough?

98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.


Ask John Boehner.
 
2013-01-28 07:42:42 PM  

Cletus C.: HighOnCraic: Cletus C.: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Cletus C.: Weaver95: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.

[static01.mediaite.com image 320x210]

So when was the last time that Chris Matthews forced a Democratic politician to apologize to him?

Because Rush has done that plenty of times to Republicans. Even the Republican leaders, if you recall.

Michael Steele apologizing after taking some shots at Limbaugh? He was forced by Limbaugh to do that? Whatevah.

"[House Speaker John] Boehner comes out and says Rush's language was inappropriate. Using the salad fork for your entrée, that's inappropriate. Not this stuff," Will said. "And it was depressing because what it indicates is that the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh. They want to bomb Iran, but they're afraid of Rush Limbaugh."

Link
/Of course, George Will is a well-known liberal who's biased against the Republican Party. . .

Hey, we agree Republicans should not be bending to the will of talking head blowhards. Just like Democrats shouldn't be kowtowing to MSNBC, the NYT or Jon Stewart.

It doesn't help forge good working relationships to accuse them of doing so, which was my original point.


So, it was a good thing when George Will pointed out the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh, but it was a bad thing when Obama pointed out the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh.
 
2013-01-28 07:43:07 PM  

MSFT: Mrbogey: Obama doesn't want bipartisanship.

If he keeps it up he'll get punched in the face.


And the fifth time you've referenced a non-existent event.
 
2013-01-28 07:45:04 PM  
Now witness the power of this fully operational bully pulpit!
 
2013-01-28 07:46:03 PM  

Cletus C.: Hey, we agree Republicans should not be bending to the will of talking head blowhards. Just like Democrats shouldn't be kowtowing to MSNBC, the NYT or Jon Stewart.

It doesn't help forge good working relationships to accuse them of doing so, which was my original point.


Soooo... when did a Democrat kowtow to Chris Matthews?

/we're waaaaiiiting
 
2013-01-28 07:46:42 PM  
Cletus C.:
It doesn't help forge good working relationships to accuse them of doing so, which was my original point.

um...but it's the truth.
 
2013-01-28 07:46:59 PM  

Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.

Today, he's too weak towards our enemies.

Non sequitur. Arnold wasn't "too weak" towards the British.

Non sequitor. Arnold didn't kill an British leaders or bomb any British fortresses.

On which date?...


You're comparing Obama to Benedict Arnold; I'm pointing out that Obama has actually used violence against our enemies (leaders such as Osama bin Laden) and bombed their camps (their version of fortresses) with drone strikes. Did Benedict Arnold do stuff like that?
 
2013-01-28 07:47:28 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Cletus C.: Hey, we agree Republicans should not be bending to the will of talking head blowhards. Just like Democrats shouldn't be kowtowing to MSNBC, the NYT or Jon Stewart.

It doesn't help forge good working relationships to accuse them of doing so, which was my original point.

Soooo... when did a Democrat kowtow to Chris Matthews?

/we're waaaaiiiting


Don't. Its a threadshiat-and-run. Move on.
 
2013-01-28 07:47:56 PM  

Mrbogey: MSFT: Mrbogey: Obama doesn't want bipartisanship.

If he keeps it up he'll get punched in the face.

And the fifth time you've referenced a non-existent event.


What a non-existent event may look like to MrBogey. Link

/and this is the guy who keeps claiming that he never lies
 
2013-01-28 07:48:13 PM  
I'm over bipartisanship. I don't feel good when Democrats work with a racist, regional party that cares more about gay sex than poor people.
 
2013-01-28 07:48:26 PM  
You mean the way that the conservative media turned on Chris Christie for praising Obama's response to NJ in the wake of a FREAKING HURRICANE? No.. the fair and balanced crowd and fat oxy eating morans of the world would NEVER do that..
 
2013-01-28 07:50:25 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing.


Well who ya gonna believe - Obama or your lyin' eyes?
 
2013-01-28 07:50:35 PM  

Cletus C.: HighOnCraic: Cletus C.: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Cletus C.: Weaver95: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.

[static01.mediaite.com image 320x210]

So when was the last time that Chris Matthews forced a Democratic politician to apologize to him?

Because Rush has done that plenty of times to Republicans. Even the Republican leaders, if you recall.

Michael Steele apologizing after taking some shots at Limbaugh? He was forced by Limbaugh to do that? Whatevah.

"[House Speaker John] Boehner comes out and says Rush's language was inappropriate. Using the salad fork for your entrée, that's inappropriate. Not this stuff," Will said. "And it was depressing because what it indicates is that the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh. They want to bomb Iran, but they're afraid of Rush Limbaugh."

Link
/Of course, George Will is a well-known liberal who's biased against the Republican Party. . .

Hey, we agree Republicans should not be bending to the will of talking head blowhards. Just like Democrats shouldn't be kowtowing to MSNBC, the NYT or Jon Stewart.

It doesn't help forge good working relationships to accuse them of doing so, which was my original point.


Democrats kowtowing to MSNBC, NYT or Jon Stewart?

You know, I'll just simply ask if you believe that any one man or organization wields as much influence over the loose coalition of Democrats and liberals like Rush or Hannity have. Even Beck's little cult wields more influence than Jon Stewart, in that I don't think Jon could really convince people of the crazy shiat that Beck does.

If you disagree, I'd love to hear why. I'm measuring "influence" by amount of followers * zeal. While a lot of liberals (among everyone else, but whatever) enjoy Jon Stewart, do you really believe he has the number of devout devotees like Rush?
 
2013-01-28 07:53:00 PM  
I have come to respect Obama, though i don't always agree with him.

Personally, I think everyone involved would be better off if we stopped letting shiat the government shouldn't be involved in get in the way of them doing the things they should be doing. I don't care who people marry, it's not a matter that the Government should even be deciding. I think a woman and her doctor should be the only two people (three, if you count the husband/boyfriend as part of it) people in on the decision to have an abortion. it's not mine to say whether it's right or wrong. And we sure as hell shouldn't be waging a War-in-name-only on drugs, Islam, or whatever the farktards in the middle east do.

While we're spending all this time and energy debating those points, and whether the earth is flat or round, health care in this country is shiatty, education is on its way down the crapper, poverty is on the rise, our military is busy policing the world, and we're spending billions propping up third world countries and buying off states in the middle east, our own citizens go hungry and screwed over by their own financial institutions.

Yeah, we're a real winner right now.
 
2013-01-28 07:53:04 PM  

thismomentinblackhistory: I'm over bipartisanship. I don't feel good when Democrats work with a racist, regional party that cares more about gay sex than poor people.


To be fair, a lot of them have good reason to care a bunch about gay sex.  Probably more than sex with poor people.

/is it just me, or is this thread really getting random?
 
2013-01-28 07:53:17 PM  
HA HA GOP talking points.
 
2013-01-28 07:53:19 PM  
this reminds me of my so-called Libertarian relative who is constantly moving to the right. I dunno if he listens to Rush Limbaugh or what.

Last year we had a conversation that went like this:

"Obama is an asshole!"

"Why?"

"Because he wouldn't give out his birth certificate! It made [those birthers] look bad!"

"...."

So, it's Obama's fault when political opponents make fools out of themselves trying to attack him. Yes, yes, everything is Obama's fault, and those darn liberals.
 
2013-01-28 07:53:44 PM  
lol. Good one, Barack.
 
2013-01-28 07:54:08 PM  

SilentStrider: if this were chess, right now I'd say Obama has two queens, a rook, and both bishops... while Limbaugh is left with nothing but a couple pawns and his king.


Except Limbaugh isn't playing the game. He is the bookmaker taking bets on whether who is going to win, while trying to juice the odds. At the end of the day he doesn't give a flying fark who wins the game, so long as he gets those who have no farking clue what is going on to place bets, while he luxuriates on trips to the Dominican Republic, and laughs all the way to the bank.
 
2013-01-28 07:56:58 PM  

MisterMook: Personally I hope Republicans are so insistent that they not meet the President halfway in any shape or form that they collectively fall on their swords rather than interact with him.


They are already well on the way.Their willingness to nominate Tea party alternatives over shoo-in candidates has already cost at least multiple Senate Seats and a probable majority, and everything that goes with that. Probably be at least two more in the next cycle as well.
 
2013-01-28 08:04:58 PM  
"This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013
 
2013-01-28 08:09:01 PM  
Politicians criticizing the media: IOKIYAR
 
2013-01-28 08:09:27 PM  
I suggested in the last Fox News thread that their license be terminated, but since I was told that is not possible, perhaps it is time for the Democrats to sue FNC. At the very least, get them to change their slogan from "Fair and balanced" to "America's right choice."

/freedom of speech does not mean freedom to lie
 
2013-01-28 08:12:25 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Mrbogey: MSFT: Mrbogey: Obama doesn't want bipartisanship.

If he keeps it up he'll get punched in the face.

And the fifth time you've referenced a non-existent event.

What a non-existent event may look like to MrBogey. Link

/and this is the guy who keeps claiming that he never lies


I haven't lied. MSFT is just stalking me and lying about me threatening to punch him.

He made a lame argument and I beat him up over it. He needs to get over it.
 
2013-01-28 08:19:21 PM  
ITT: HOW DARE TAXBONGO TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT US I AM SO MAD
 
2013-01-28 08:20:04 PM  
The proper point of view has to start from the position that "both sides are equally bad in every way". Deviating from that tenet of modern Americanism makes you an extremist. What Obama should have said was that bipartisanship would be more likely if both sides reduced the rhetoric and come together. Of course, this doesn't address the issue at all (namely, Republican obstructionism) but it sounds nice in sound bites.
 
2013-01-28 08:21:32 PM  
Republicans treat Obama about the same way Democrats treated Lincoln. Both presidents being on the right side of history, of course.
 
2013-01-28 08:22:16 PM  

chairmanoohmowmow: "This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013


Account created: 2013-01-24 19:55:50
 
2013-01-28 08:22:17 PM  

Electrify: I suggested in the last Fox News thread that their license be terminated, but since I was told that is not possible, perhaps it is time for the Democrats to sue FNC. At the very least, get them to change their slogan from "Fair and balanced" to "America's right choice."

/freedom of speech does not mean freedom to lie


Actually, you have the right to lie. You do not have the right to slander, libel or lie under oath, but straight up lying is A-OK. Granted most of their lies could fall under libel or slander, there is also the issue that they generally do so about public figures, which has a much higher bar. There are federal regulations via the FCC, but fox does not fall under them for the same reason their license cannot be terminated.
 
2013-01-28 08:22:49 PM  

Electrify: I suggested in the last Fox News thread that their license be terminated, but since I was told that is not possible, perhaps it is time for the Democrats to sue FNC. At the very least, get them to change their slogan from "Fair and balanced" to "America's right choice."

/freedom of speech does not mean freedom to lie


Wasn't this settled in the courts some time ago? I recall that a news anchor was fired by Fox because he wouldn't lie for them. He sued and lost. The court basically said that being forced to lie wasn't protected and you could be fired for not lying. Or something like that.
 
2013-01-28 08:24:26 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".

I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

GAT_00: So 98% of your goals isn't enough?

98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

This is not blaming Obama! He is getting what he wants, the blame falls completely on the Republicans. In fact this is praising Obama. He's a heavy weight and we are sending in bantamweight fighters.


Right, because this is a zero-sum game. Republicans can't win unless the Democrats lose.

Grow up.
 
2013-01-28 08:27:42 PM  

bizzwire: Right, because this is a zero-sum game. Republicans can't win unless the Democrats lose.

Grow up.


They're reactionaries. They really can't win unless everyone else loses because that is their only metric for victory.
 
2013-01-28 08:30:08 PM  

HighOnCraic:
You're comparing Obama to Benedict Arnold; I'm pointing out that Obama has actually used violence against our enemies (leaders such as Osama bin Laden) and bombed their camps (their version of fortresses) with drone strikes. Did Benedict Arnold do stuff like that?


Yes, Benedict Arnold did quite a lot of "stuff like that." Lawd, you bit on that so hard the other end must be dangling out of you somewhere.
 
2013-01-28 08:31:24 PM  
Obama: We've got a lot of challenges to tackle in this country. As president, I want to lead us into prosperity. I just wish the Republicans would stop hitting themselves.

Republicans: Ow! No fair! Limbaugh hit me!

Obama: Stop hitting yourself Republicans. Why are you hitting yourselves? Why are you hitting yourselves?

Republicans: OW! Stop it! FOX!! Obama's making us hit ourselves!

Fox: Obama, knock it off.
 
2013-01-28 08:31:31 PM  
Chuck Hagel says hello.
 
2013-01-28 08:31:39 PM  

Blues_X: And.... he's right.


This is what makes Obama awesome. Trolls the hell out of the Fox News' of the world and they go crazy.
 
2013-01-28 08:35:27 PM  

Corvus: Whats funny, is the article really doesn't deny it but instead tries to spin it saying it's ok that the right wing media in uncompromising and it itself that what it means to be conservative, unyielding.


That was what really got me too. There wasn't any attempt to show Obama was wrong, just that it's the right thing to do, it's fair, and the liberal media stupid-heads are doing it too, so there.
 
2013-01-28 08:39:14 PM  

Mrbogey:
He made a lame argument .


Lame arguments according to Bogey:
People want to drink clean water.
Children should be safe from getting shot while at school.
President Obama has attempted to get bi-partisan support for his major initiatives.
 
2013-01-28 08:51:26 PM  
At the State of the Union, Obama should find the most virulently hateful Tea Bagger and do a Sammy Davis Jr. on Archie Bunker.
 
2013-01-28 08:51:32 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well, if we could negotiate worth a darn I wouldn't mind Republicans talking to Obama. But we can't so no, no talking with Obama.


Or you could, you know, stop voting for retards. Just a suggestion.
 
2013-01-28 08:53:02 PM  

Electrify: perhaps it is time for the Democrats to sue FNC.


I know many people who have lost loved ones and family members to right wing authoritarian syndrome, which, I suspect, could be shown to be a direct result of listening to Fox News and AM rightwing talk radio 24/7.

I'm waiting to see a class-action suit representing all those people against Murdoch's empire for 'alienation of affection', saying that in effect, the right wing noise machine has brainwashed conservatives into hating their less-fascist family members.

I would enjoy that very much, I think.
 
2013-01-28 08:54:21 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: HighOnCraic:
You're comparing Obama to Benedict Arnold; I'm pointing out that Obama has actually used violence against our enemies (leaders such as Osama bin Laden) and bombed their camps (their version of fortresses) with drone strikes. Did Benedict Arnold do stuff like that?

Yes, Benedict Arnold did quite a lot of "stuff like that." Lawd, you bit on that so hard the other end must be dangling out of you somewhere.


Fair enough, Arnold was indeed active in the war against the Brits, and then became active in the war on their side. How does that relate to Obama, particularly his perceived weakness or his perceived war mongering? Is there any evidence that Obama has switched sides and begun attacking America, or that his best friends are America's enemies?
 
2013-01-28 08:59:39 PM  

HighOnCraic: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: HighOnCraic:
You're comparing Obama to Benedict Arnold; I'm pointing out that Obama has actually used violence against our enemies (leaders such as Osama bin Laden) and bombed their camps (their version of fortresses) with drone strikes. Did Benedict Arnold do stuff like that?

Yes, Benedict Arnold did quite a lot of "stuff like that." Lawd, you bit on that so hard the other end must be dangling out of you somewhere.

Fair enough, Arnold was indeed active in the war against the Brits, and then became active in the war on their side. How does that relate to Obama, particularly his perceived weakness or his perceived war mongering? Is there any evidence that Obama has switched sides and begun attacking America, or that his best friends are America's enemies?


There is no point., You were trying to respond seriously to Noam Chimpsky, which is never a wise idea since he's the most obvious troll on Fark this side of SkinnyHead. He's crossed well beyond Poe's Law and squarely into The Onion's Editorial Cartoon territory. The good ways to respond to him are:

1. jokes and snarky pictures
2. not responding at all
 
2013-01-28 09:06:18 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: The Stealth Hippopotamus: He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

When has this ever happened?


In the theater......OF THE MIND!! *POOF! SMOKEBOMB!*
 
2013-01-28 09:06:19 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: chairmanoohmowmow: "This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013

Account created: 2013-01-24 19:55:50


Thanks, very helpful.
 
2013-01-28 09:07:25 PM  

WraithSama: Came here to say something along these lines. They respond to an allegation of having a right-wing bias by getting refuting statements from other openly right-wing organizations, and none from any unaffiliated, independent sources. I'm going out on a limb here and assuming 99% of their readership won't notice this fact at all. "Fair and Balanced," folks!


I may have gotten through to my grandmother when she claimed Fox news was blanaced and I told her that a bias you agree with is not a lack of bias.
 
2013-01-28 09:11:40 PM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: HighOnCraic: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: HighOnCraic:
You're comparing Obama to Benedict Arnold; I'm pointing out that Obama has actually used violence against our enemies (leaders such as Osama bin Laden) and bombed their camps (their version of fortresses) with drone strikes. Did Benedict Arnold do stuff like that?

Yes, Benedict Arnold did quite a lot of "stuff like that." Lawd, you bit on that so hard the other end must be dangling out of you somewhere.

Fair enough, Arnold was indeed active in the war against the Brits, and then became active in the war on their side. How does that relate to Obama, particularly his perceived weakness or his perceived war mongering? Is there any evidence that Obama has switched sides and begun attacking America, or that his best friends are America's enemies?

There is no point., You were trying to respond seriously to Noam Chimpsky, which is never a wise idea since he's the most obvious troll on Fark this side of SkinnyHead. He's crossed well beyond Poe's Law and squarely into The Onion's Editorial Cartoon territory. The good ways to respond to him are:

1. jokes and snarky pictures
2. not responding at all


This. Take a step back and consider what it is you're arguing about. Holy fark.
 
2013-01-28 09:16:35 PM  

Monkeyfark Ridiculous: the_vegetarian_cannibal: HighOnCraic: Monkeyfark Ridiculous: HighOnCraic:
You're comparing Obama to Benedict Arnold; I'm pointing out that Obama has actually used violence against our enemies (leaders such as Osama bin Laden) and bombed their camps (their version of fortresses) with drone strikes. Did Benedict Arnold do stuff like that?

Yes, Benedict Arnold did quite a lot of "stuff like that." Lawd, you bit on that so hard the other end must be dangling out of you somewhere.

Fair enough, Arnold was indeed active in the war against the Brits, and then became active in the war on their side. How does that relate to Obama, particularly his perceived weakness or his perceived war mongering? Is there any evidence that Obama has switched sides and begun attacking America, or that his best friends are America's enemies?

There is no point., You were trying to respond seriously to Noam Chimpsky, which is never a wise idea since he's the most obvious troll on Fark this side of SkinnyHead. He's crossed well beyond Poe's Law and squarely into The Onion's Editorial Cartoon territory. The good ways to respond to him are:

1. jokes and snarky pictures
2. not responding at all

This. Take a step back and consider what it is you're arguing about. Holy fark.


Hey, I started off light-hearted and snarky.

Today, he's too weak towards our enemies. Tomorrow, it'll be back to, "LOL--president Peace-prize just personally wiped out another village with drone strikes, OMG, he ordered the death of an American citizen, why did he have to go and kill Osama without putting him on trial, and how come he hasn't brought the troops back from Afghanistan, suck it, libs!"
 
2013-01-28 09:22:16 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus:
derp



worth reposting...


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-28 09:23:39 PM  

tinderboxer: Electrify: I suggested in the last Fox News thread that their license be terminated, but since I was told that is not possible, perhaps it is time for the Democrats to sue FNC. At the very least, get them to change their slogan from "Fair and balanced" to "America's right choice."

/freedom of speech does not mean freedom to lie

Actually, you have the right to lie. You do not have the right to slander, libel or lie under oath, but straight up lying is A-OK. Granted most of their lies could fall under libel or slander, there is also the issue that they generally do so about public figures, which has a much higher bar. There are federal regulations via the FCC, but fox does not fall under them for the same reason their license cannot be terminated.


What about false advertising? With their slogans, they are clearly misrepresenting the product they are offering (fair and balanced news). While most people can see that they are the least fair and balanced news source out there (at least when it comes to discussing politics), there are those who unfortunately actually believe these claims who do not know any better.

/besides, "America's right choice" has a nice ring to it, and would be somewhat more truthful than the slogans they are currently using
 
2013-01-28 09:29:24 PM  
once upon a time, there was a law called 'truth in news'.
Where if the talking heads uttered lieslieslieslieslies, they would be punished by some type of fine.
Saint Reagan removed it so that pond scum could crawl out of the sewers and take on the form of bleach blonds and stubby dicked douchbags.

/Canada will soon abolish the law, then foxnews north can turn their regular segment daily 'commentators' into official newscasters.
//Then Canadas federal police force, cyber squad, will then be forced to triple staff to beat down the increased quantities of tea baggers
 
2013-01-28 09:33:40 PM  

MisterMook: Personally I hope Republicans are so insistent that they not meet the President halfway in any shape or form that they collectively fall on their swords rather than interact with him. That'll show that brown skinned Kenyan Socialist guy! Let's see him be bipartisan when there are no Republicans left!

But seriously, that would be a shame. When conservatives aren't being enormous douchebags they serve a constructive purpose in society as a counterpoint to progressives. Unfortunately, all of those sane conservatives are Democrats now, and the Republican party as a whole seems to be one tuck away from being Ann Coulter clones most of the time.


And that really is the problem here. Your system is badly out of balance. With the GOP pushing themselves so far to the right to placate the Tea Party, there is no representation for the more rational conservative view. Happily, the current Dems are pretty centralist, but that could easily change.
 
2013-01-28 09:34:09 PM  

sheep snorter: beat down the increased quantities of tea baggers


giggity
 
2013-01-28 09:49:33 PM  

Curse of the Goth Kids: Politicians criticizing the media: IOKIYAR


Ain't that the truth. This doesn't even come close to all the "liberal main stream MSM 'lame stream' media" BS.
 
2013-01-28 09:53:05 PM  

HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.

Today, he's too weak towards our enemies.

Non sequitur. Arnold wasn't "too weak" towards the British.

Non sequitor. Arnold didn't kill an British leaders or bomb any British fortresses.

On which date?...

You're comparing Obama to Benedict Arnold; I'm pointing out that Obama has actually used violence against our enemies (leaders such as Osama bin Laden) and bombed their camps (their version of fortresses) with drone strikes. Did Benedict Arnold do stuff like that?


Look up Fort Ticonderoga.
 
2013-01-28 09:58:09 PM  

Mike_1962: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.

Today, he's too weak towards our enemies.

Non sequitur. Arnold wasn't "too weak" towards the British.

Non sequitor. Arnold didn't kill an British leaders or bomb any British fortresses.

On which date?...

You're comparing Obama to Benedict Arnold; I'm pointing out that Obama has actually used violence against our enemies (leaders such as Osama bin Laden) and bombed their camps (their version of fortresses) with drone strikes. Did Benedict Arnold do stuff like that?

Look up Fort Ticonderoga.


Yeah, I mea culpa'd on that a while ago. It's still a bad comparison; Obama hasn't joined the enemy or attacked American troops.
 
2013-01-28 10:01:12 PM  

HighOnCraic:

Look up Fort Ticonderoga.

Yeah, I mea culpa'd on that a while ago. It's still a bad comparison; Obama hasn't joined the enemy or attacked American troops.


He did win the battle of Saratoga though... gotta give Obama that.
 
2013-01-28 10:03:28 PM  

kbronsito: So Obama is "silencing" conservative media by saying bad things about them. And yet... I'm reading about it on conservative media. Whoaaaa!


It's a vast conspiracy, I tell you.

Seriously, Fox News makes me vomit.
 
2013-01-28 10:05:16 PM  

Somacandra: "Sources Cited" in the unsigned anonymous "article"

1) Breitbart
2) Media Research Center (Newsbusters, funded by Scaife and Olin and Exxon)
3) The "Center For Media in Public Affairs" (funded primarily through right-wing foundations) run by Fox News contributor and former American Enterprise Institute hack Sammy Licter

===

That's some fancy "newswriting," Lou. Next time try signing your name and having at least one non-partisan source.


Oh, and this...
 
2013-01-28 10:08:47 PM  

MSFT: Mrbogey:
He made a lame argument .

Lame arguments according to Bogey:
People want to drink clean water.
Children should be safe from getting shot while at school.
President Obama has attempted to get bi-partisan support for his major initiatives.


Stop derping about how fracking is destroying the environment you retard. The science disagrees with you. Why do I get the dumb stalkers..

Also you feel the need to lie about the position of others.

You're an emarassment.
 
2013-01-28 10:10:46 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Corvus: Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suit".

I never said the man was an empty suit. He is a master at PR. He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

GAT_00: So 98% of your goals isn't enough?

98%? We go into a debt deal and find a why to spend more money?! That's not 98% How the hell can we have Obamacare and you say that we get 98% of what we want.

This is not blaming Obama! He is getting what he wants, the blame falls completely on the Republicans. In fact this is praising Obama. He's a heavy weight and we are sending in bantamweight fighters.


And the people running the party because a "black boy" is making them look like a pile of horses asses. Which they most certainly are.

Disconnected from reality.

If the republicans have any chance at a future they need to quit letting these drooling mouth rich white assholes direct the future of the party. I'm all for reasonable spending but keeping on with this Anglo-American bullshiat won't cut it for making that point.
 
2013-01-28 10:18:44 PM  

HighOnCraic: Mike_1962: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.

Today, he's too weak towards our enemies.

Non sequitur. Arnold wasn't "too weak" towards the British.

Non sequitor. Arnold didn't kill an British leaders or bomb any British fortresses.

On which date?...

You're comparing Obama to Benedict Arnold; I'm pointing out that Obama has actually used violence against our enemies (leaders such as Osama bin Laden) and bombed their camps (their version of fortresses) with drone strikes. Did Benedict Arnold do stuff like that?

Look up Fort Ticonderoga.

Yeah, I mea culpa'd on that a while ago. It's still a bad comparison; Obama hasn't joined the enemy or attacked American troops.


Yeah, I should have read further before commenting. Of course it's a bad comparison. Hell, it's ludicrous on the face of it.
 
2013-01-28 10:26:07 PM  
the_vegetarian_cannibal

2013-01-28 08:22:16 PM

chairmanoohmowmow: "This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013

Account created: 2013-01-24 19:55:50

Run! Run for those ignore buttons my little leftists!
 
2013-01-28 10:29:45 PM  

chairmanoohmowmow: the_vegetarian_cannibal

2013-01-28 08:22:16 PM

chairmanoohmowmow: "This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013

Account created: 2013-01-24 19:55:50

Run! Run for those ignore buttons my little leftists!


0/10
 
2013-01-28 10:30:18 PM  

sheep snorter: once upon a time, there was a law called 'truth in news'.
Where if the talking heads uttered lieslieslieslieslies, they would be punished by some type of fine.
Saint Reagan removed it so that pond scum could crawl out of the sewers and take on the form of bleach blonds and stubby dicked douchbags.

/Canada will soon abolish the law, then foxnews north can turn their regular segment daily 'commentators' into official newscasters.http://www.fark.com/comments/7561099/President-Obama-says- bipartisanship-would-be-more-likely-if-conservative-media-stopped-puni shing-Republicans-for-even-talking-to-him-Conservative-media-has-a-pro blem-with-this?startid=82180324#b
//Then Canadas federal police force, cyber squad, will then be forced to triple staff to beat down the increased quantities of tea baggers


Canada already has SunTV, which is colloquially known as FoxNewsNorth. They're currently trying to get the CRTC to force all the cable providers to carry them as a basic cable channel (a position they previously lobbied against on the principle that required channels violated consumer choice). Fox already tried to launch a Canadian affiliate and were turned down because of the truth in news law. If they tried again (if/when that law is gone) SunTV would have all their friends in power leaning on the CRTC to reject Fox's application because it would cut into their viewership/profits.
 
2013-01-28 10:58:10 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Author and syndicated columnist Ben Shapiro said Obama trying to challenge certain media outlets dates back to the start of his administration.
"He's talking about silencing members of the media he doesn't like," he told Fox News. "He's done that before -- this idea that Fox News is some sort of evil force in the media.  He's gone after Rush Limbaugh, talked about starting boycotts. This is what he does. He's a bully."
[i.imgur.com image 287x176]


Those poor, poor conservatives. The world is so mean and scary. I'd cuddle with my guns at night too if I was a whiny biatch.
 
2013-01-28 11:11:43 PM  

chairmanoohmowmow: the_vegetarian_cannibal

2013-01-28 08:22:16 PM

chairmanoohmowmow: "This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013

Account created: 2013-01-24 19:55:50

Run! Run for those ignore buttons my little leftists!


??
You're not really up to that standard.
 
2013-01-28 11:26:34 PM  

chairmanoohmowmow: the_vegetarian_cannibal

2013-01-28 08:22:16 PM

chairmanoohmowmow: "This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013

Account created: 2013-01-24 19:55:50

Run! Run for those ignore buttons my little leftists!


Welp, I aim to please.

/plonk
 
2013-01-28 11:29:13 PM  

Mrbogey: Stop derping about how fracking is destroying the environment you retard. The science disagrees with you.


I can understand thinking that the jury is still out about this because that's what I think, but to say it disagrees with you without any proof seems like a foolish argument to make.

And if there isn't any environmental detriment to fracking, then why are fracking companies so reluctant to share with regulators on what chemicals are used in the fracking process?
 
2013-01-28 11:40:13 PM  

The Name: Quote of Obama FTFA: "So I don't think the issue is whether or not there are people of goodwill in either party that want to get something done."

Either Obama is just playing nice for moderates/independents, or he is actually, literally, incapable of learning, like a rock or a plant.

Unfortunately, given his record of dealing with Republicans, I really can't tell which it is.


I agree with Obama. I truly believe that there people of goodwill in both parties. I also believe that, if a Republican does anything that indicates that they are working with a Democrat, the right wing propaganda machine will destroy them. Many of the elected Republicans will avoid working with that person for fear of being deemed guilty by association. That person would also be attacked come time for reelection. Even the most beneficent politician knows that you can't do nearly as much as a private citizen as you can as an elected official.
 
2013-01-29 12:13:22 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: Stop derping about how fracking is destroying the environment you retard. The science disagrees with you.

I can understand thinking that the jury is still out about this because that's what I think, but to say it disagrees with you without any proof seems like a foolish argument to make.

And if there isn't any environmental detriment to fracking, then why are fracking companies so reluctant to share with regulators on what chemicals are used in the fracking process?


Fracking is destroying the coal industry, but it's cool, they'll keep blaming environmentalists anyway.
 
2013-01-29 12:40:03 AM  

Mrtraveler01: And if there isn't any environmental detriment to fracking, then why are fracking companies so reluctant to share with regulators on what chemicals are used in the fracking process?


IMO, the exact chemical composition doesn't really matter - they could be pumping in unicorn piss and liquefied angel wings and it would still be a mind-bogglingly horrible idea.
 
2013-01-29 12:45:23 AM  

Mrtraveler01: Mrbogey: Stop derping about how fracking is destroying the environment you retard. The science disagrees with you.

I can understand thinking that the jury is still out about this because that's what I think, but to say it disagrees with you without any proof seems like a foolish argument to make.

And if there isn't any environmental detriment to fracking, then why are fracking companies so reluctant to share with regulators on what chemicals are used in the fracking process?


Whenever someone tries to claim that fracking is safe for the environment, I like to point out that even the oil companies admit that it's not, or at least not always. Last fall the Canadian Institute of Petroleum Producers issued a new set of guidelines for dealing with earthquakes caused by fracking after the BC Oil and Gas Commission found a causative link.
 
2013-01-29 12:46:47 AM  
Sorry, that should be Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers, not Institute. Minor brain fart on my part there.
 
2013-01-29 01:10:54 AM  
TFA: The last time Obama criticized Fox News by name was on July 13, 2012.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/28/conservative-media-watchdog s-push-back-on-obama-fox-news-criticism/#ixzz2JLHHZe6E


Butthurt much Fox News?
 
2013-01-29 01:35:30 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: [Obama] is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.


I know this line is a tired joke that the trolls tell by now, but I still find it hilarious.
 
2013-01-29 02:00:49 AM  

kasmel: If you misspoke in regards to your characterization or if you'd like to amend your description please feel free. I stand by the notion that not only does Germany clearly have a government run healthcare system, it is also clearly far closer to 'socialized medicine' than "Obamacare".


So a "government run system" to you is one that has private companies running things?

"Government run" means that the GOVERNMENT runs everything. Serious how can you be so clueless?
 
2013-01-29 02:03:56 AM  

kasmel: So Germany DOES have government run health care. It's just not EXCLUSIVELY government run health care.


right that would be called a PUBLIC OPTION like I said. Not GOVERNMENT RUN. When people say GOVERNMENT RUN they don't mean you have the option to get PRIVATE COMPANIES for every part of it.

You seem to be confused. When someone says "government run" they mean GOVERNMENT RUNS IT. Not that government runs some of it.
 
2013-01-29 02:05:47 AM  

kasmel: So Germany DOES have government run health care. It's just not EXCLUSIVELY government run health care.


OK then. The US runs Medicare. So then by your definition we have had GOVERNMENT RUN healthcare since 1965 RIGHT?

Why doesn't that count?
 
2013-01-29 02:09:41 AM  

kasmel: They do not have single-payer, but they do have a mandatory public health insurance system.


Really is that why the can opt out for a private plan? Opting out for a private plan doesn't sound very "mandatory" to me. I love how you contraditc yourself. First saying it's MANDATORY to be in the public plan but also stat that not everyone is in that public plan.


We have a public plan too, it's called medicare. so then according to you belief that if ANY part is run by the government it means it is all "GOVERNMENT RAN" then the system we have had has been government ran since the 60's.
 
2013-01-29 02:12:20 AM  

Corvus: kasmel: If you misspoke in regards to your characterization or if you'd like to amend your description please feel free. I stand by the notion that not only does Germany clearly have a government run healthcare system, it is also clearly far closer to 'socialized medicine' than "Obamacare".

So a "government run system" to you is one that has private companies running things?

"Government run" means that the GOVERNMENT runs everything. Serious how can you be so clueless?


As someone with "public" German health insurance, there are a couple points that haven't been mentioned, and they make it look more like Obamacare and less like single payer as I understand it.
First, the public insurance comes from a bunch of heavily regulated private companies. The government sets the price, the companies provide a defined level of care, and differentiate themselves based on additional services. These companies all have their own bureaucracy and pay doctors at different speeds and with different levels of hassle, which causes some doctors to prefer some of the companies.
Second, everyone is required to buy insurance from one of these companies unless you make a certain amount of money, then you receive the "privilege" of being able to go to a less-regulated "private" health insurer, which tends to be much cheaper when you are healthy and single. But once you forgo "public" health insurance, you cannot go back unless you can prove a reduction in income.
An added point is that "privately" insured patients tend to get faster service at the doctor, because the insurance companies pay the doctors a bit more, as the companies are less regulated.

Obamacare is basically German healthcare with less regulation on the companies. It would probably be more efficient in the long run if the government took over the "public" option, but it is a far sight better than what the US system was and will be with Obamacare. However, Obamacare is definitely a step toward the German system, which is better described as compulsory healthcare than government-run.
 
2013-01-29 02:20:36 AM  

epoch: Obamacare is basically German healthcare with less regulation on the companies. It would probably be more efficient in the long run if the government took over the "public" option, but it is a far sight better than what the US system was and will be with Obamacare. However, Obamacare is definitely a step toward the German system, which is better described as compulsory healthcare than government-run.


I would agree.
 
2013-01-29 02:25:47 AM  
Sure, that's what the commy soshulists always say right before they come for your guns and make you get a sex change operation.
 
2013-01-29 02:54:55 AM  

Corvus: Long story short, Germany has a plan much closer to 'socialized' than "Obamacare". Perhaps just a bad example?

That's not single payer. It's not even close to single payer. You understand the "single payer" part means there is only ONE payer not many.

No being able to buy private healthcare plans and go to private doctors is not "government ran healthcare".


Then, by your reckoning, the UK doesn't have "government run healthcare" either. Because the UK also has a national health plan that most people use, but those who want and can afford it can pay out of pocket for private hospital rooms and gold-plated bedpans.
 
2013-01-29 03:46:21 AM  
You mean if the conservative media quit treating republicans who "betray" them in the same fashion liberals, including Obama, treat democrats "betray" them?

I fully expect the voices on the conservative side of the aisle to speak out when they feel conservative principles are being compromised by the people that are suppose to represent us. Don't you expect liberal voices to do the same for you?
 
2013-01-29 04:03:01 AM  

Corvus: kasmel: Corvus: HighOnCraic: Most liberals wanted something closer to European-style socialized healthcare.

Many places in Europe have healthcare programs closer to "Obamacare" like Germany and Switzerland. The belief that they all have single payer or government run healthcare is a myth.

I can't honestly speak for Switzerland and don't feel like looking into it, but Germany does have 'government run healthcare'. They have a two part system with an overwhelming majority of the population availing themselves of the 'public option' while a small remainder opt for supplementary private coverage.

I actually think that Germany has about the best system for the US to move towards. It'd be really pretty easy. Expand medicare to cover everyone for basic coverage, continue to allow private plans as supplementary for anyone who wants to pay extra for additional services. Done and done.

Long story short, Germany has a plan much closer to 'socialized' than "Obamacare". Perhaps just a bad example?

Having private run insurance and medical is not "government run healthcare". Government run healthcare is like England has. Everyone through healthcare in England work for the government. i don't understand how you think private groups are "government run" or muliple groups are "single payer" they are not.


I don't really understand what you are getting at, but Britain doesn't have government-run healthcare as you are defining it. Most general practitioners and specialists are private businesspeople who also work in the government system. There are plenty of private hospitals, private nursing services, private pathology practices etc. There is the NHS, which everyone contributes to and is entitled to, but there is private health insurance too.
 
2013-01-29 04:08:40 AM  
Author and syndicated columnist Ben Shapiro said... "He's gone after Rush Limbaugh, talked about starting boycotts. This is what he does. He's a bully."

Oh, did he now? Obama started the boycott against Limbaugh for his constant character assault on Fluke?

My, my, how the revisionist history goes.
 
2013-01-29 04:35:58 AM  

randomjsa: You mean if the conservative media quit treating republicans who "betray" them in the same fashion liberals, including Obama, treat democrats "betray" them?

I fully expect the voices on the conservative side of the aisle to speak out when they feel conservative principles are being compromised by the people that are suppose to represent us. Don't you expect liberal voices to do the same for you?


The only reason this was even news worthy is because Obama mentioned it and now people are clamoring behind him on it including those in this thread. People are putting too much emphasis on what Obama wants rather than core ideals of each side and a lot of politicians are bending to further their career or finances or look good in the aura of Obama which is a popular thing now days. So the media has the right to call out politicians that are bending ideals to feed the craving of the other side.

If Obama said the same about another left leaning news agency it would be non-news and quickly skipped over.
 
2013-01-29 04:56:56 AM  

Weaver95: Cletus C.:
It doesn't help forge good working relationships to accuse them of doing so, which was my original point.

um...but it's the truth.


They can't handle the truth!
 
2013-01-29 05:21:30 AM  

Corvus: HighOnCraic: Most liberals wanted something closer to European-style socialized healthcare.

Many places in Europe have healthcare programs closer to "Obamacare" like Germany and Switzerland. The belief that they all have single payer or government run healthcare is a myth.


yep
living in Germany, and the system here sucks. If you don't have a "Private Krankenversicherung", you are a second-class citzisen when you are ill. Waiting up to 3 month longer to see a specialist.
And those "Private Krankenversicherung" cost you more if you'r poor, and less if you'r rich.
Sucks big time.
I miss the frenh system
 
2013-01-29 05:26:17 AM  

randomjsa: You mean if the conservative media quit treating republicans who "betray" them in the same fashion liberals, including Obama, treat democrats "betray" them?

I fully expect the voices on the conservative side of the aisle to speak out when they feel conservative principles are being compromised by the people that are suppose to represent us. Don't you expect liberal voices to do the same for you?


Except that's not what happens in reality. In reality, Obama will take a position held by Republicans, support measures proposed by Republicans, and Republicans will oppose it SOLELY because Obama supports it. Not just because they've moved so far to the Right that they actually disagree with policies they once held (although that is sometimes the case), but because they are the "NOBAMA" party; with a few individual exceptions here or there, they are literally incapable, as a group, of agreeing with anything Obama says, no matter how basic.
 
2013-01-29 06:28:33 AM  

chairmanoohmowmow: the_vegetarian_cannibal

2013-01-28 08:22:16 PM

chairmanoohmowmow: "This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013

Account created: 2013-01-24 19:55:50

Run! Run for those ignore buttons my little leftists!


Don't mind if I do.

*plonk*

And just so you know, it's not just because you made a ridiculous strawman argument. It's also because you're apparently too stupid to use the quote function.

Bye now. Have a nice day, new troll-alt.
 
2013-01-29 07:14:36 AM  

randomjsa: You mean if the conservative media quit treating republicans who "betray" them in the same fashion liberals, including Obama, treat democrats "betray" them?

I fully expect the voices on the conservative side of the aisle to speak out when they feel conservative principles are being compromised by the people that are suppose to represent us. Don't you expect liberal voices to do the same for you?


I dunno, liberals didn't seem to betray other liberals when the healthcare mandate was offered instead of single payer.

That being, single-payer being what the leftmost wingers wanted, and the mandate was the Republican idea. Of course, then the mandate was suddenly Obamacare, and the most communist leftist thing ever.

That's my read on the situation, randomjsa. Reality, not your hypothetical situations.
 
2013-01-29 07:27:02 AM  

xynix: Even though he was CEO from 1978-1999 that did not count and she even told me so.. "What Romney did before 1999 isn't important." I still don't know why it wasn't important.


But remember folks, that one guy Obama shared a room with in the 90s who in the 60s did bad things, is uber important.
 
2013-01-29 08:02:31 AM  

epoch: [lots of great information on the German healthcare model.]


Very informative. Thanks.
 
2013-01-29 08:04:01 AM  
So the president say that government would probably run more smoothly if the derpers didn't treat it like a reality show. Can't fault him for speaking the plain truth.
Wait... yeah they can. They're derpers.
 
2013-01-29 08:34:07 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.


Palling around with terrorists? Saint Sarah is that you?
 
2013-01-29 09:00:43 AM  

chairmanoohmowmow: Run! Run for those ignore buttons my little leftists!


Lamest troll EVAR.
 
2013-01-29 09:13:22 AM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: chairmanoohmowmow: Run! Run for those ignore buttons my little leftists centrists/moderate rightists!

Lamest troll EVAR.

 
2013-01-29 09:18:19 AM  
Controversy sells, Fox News about Country.
 
2013-01-29 09:32:14 AM  
The market place of ideas cringes as the sedan of singular ideology careens into the plaza of objectivity.
 
2013-01-29 09:33:07 AM  

chairmanoohmowmow: the_vegetarian_cannibal

2013-01-28 08:22:16 PM

chairmanoohmowmow: "This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013

Account created: 2013-01-24 19:55:50

Run! Run for those ignore buttons my little leftists!


Ignored...forever.
 
2013-01-29 09:34:41 AM  

Weaver95: "One of the biggest factors is going to be how the media shapes debates. If a Republican member of Congress is not punished on Fox News or by Rush Limbaugh for working with a Democrat on a bill of common interest, then you'll see more of them doing it," he said.

I hope Limbaugh (and his buddies) go ballistic over this statement.  I hope they go whole hog wild and lay down the law with GOP legislators...I want Limbaugh to CRUSH his legislative allies, force their heads down in abject submission...and I want the entire world to watch as he does it.  then when the inevitable backlash happens...I want Rush Limbaugh to say 'hey, i'm just an entertainer.'

this would please me greatly.


Republicans are about to shoot Hagel down at the same time. On the one hand, I really don't want Obama to run this roughshod over the GOP because the party has a place at the table. On the other hand, I really want Obama to continue running roughshod over the GOP because that table is the kid's table.

I'm torn. But either way, it's fun to watch the GOP eat itself in cartoonish style. This is some Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck level chicanery.
 
2013-01-29 09:46:19 AM  

Tyee: The market place of ideas cringes as the sedan of singular ideology careens into the plaza of objectivity.


A Republican using big words? Careful now, dont want to hurt yourself.
 
2013-01-29 09:49:11 AM  

NateGrey: A Republican using big words?


where?
 
2013-01-29 10:06:36 AM  

NateGrey: Tyee: The market place of ideas cringes as the sedan of singular ideology careens into the plaza of objectivity.

A Republican troll using big words? Careful now, dont want to hurt yourself.



ftfy
 
2013-01-29 10:06:44 AM  

xynix: Conservative media and even it's leader Murdock don't give two shiats about anything they talk about. Carl Rove probably does but he's a major exception to the rule. Conservative media is a business and like any business you have to find customers.. Talking heads are designed (grown maybe?) to maintain the customer base. They don't care about companies like Factcheck because that company doesn't effect their customer base. Any raving Republican will go down the list of talking points and if you present them with unequivocal facts to counter "their" opinion you will be ignored.


Yep. They get paid to get their panties in a bunch. It is a ratings war. And when you have 24 hours to fill you have to blow somethings out of proportion. I agree they don't care. They want ratings and money and hate and hyperbole sells big time.

None of their viewers want to hear them say "The President was poised in his speech and brought up valid points." They want vitriol to get them fired up. Study it out.

perpetually bunched panties
 
2013-01-29 10:11:22 AM  

saintwrathchild: Kome: How is saying "What you're doing is unproductive at best" attempting to silence anyone? Goddamn, what kind of panty-waist insecure child feels personally threatened by the slightest hint of criticism? Oh, right.

I've been assured on numerous occasions that the women's underwear issue is "strictly a comfort thing."


Walking around with a panty boner all day isn't comfortable.
 
2013-01-29 10:17:27 AM  
those poor poor CONservatives.

life in the U.S. is so difficult for them and their millions/billions they have stashed in overseas tax shelters.
 
2013-01-29 10:22:47 AM  

chairmanoohmowmow: the_vegetarian_cannibal

2013-01-28 08:22:16 PM

chairmanoohmowmow: "This country will run a lot better once everyone learns to STFU and do what I tell them to do."

Barack Obama: 2013

Account created: 2013-01-24 19:55:50

Run! Run for those ignore buttons my little leftists!


Best part?

FOREVER
 
2013-01-29 10:25:56 AM  

simplicimus: Why do budgets only matter when a Democrat is president?


They always matter.

The Why Not Guy: Or you could, you know, stop voting for retards. Just a suggestion.


I want to I really want to. But what's worse? A retard that doesn't know what he is doing or a great politician that takes the country down the wrong path? I blame the basic core thoughts in the parties for this. Republicans (non-Washington species) believe that government is the problem, and who wants to be part of the problem?! I forgot who said it but the Republican party isn't a great bunch of thinkers! Anyone with those beliefs and half a brain stays out of Washington and makes a ton of money in the private sector. However on the other hand you have a group of people that believe that top down centralized government is the answer to damn near everything. So of course their best and brightest will go into government. So basically we have we have one parties' A team going up against another parties (and I am being charitable) B team.
 
2013-01-29 10:45:47 AM  

Linux_Yes: those poor poor CONservatives.

life in the U.S. is so difficult for them and their millions/billions they have stashed in overseas tax shelters.


Yeah cause it's just those evil conservatives! Forget the fact that Obama himself has overseas investment. It's not enough that he ships his own money over seas he uses TARP money to bail out foreign investors. Just lay back and believe the lies. And thank you for proving me right on my earlier statement. See! You guys wanted an example here is Obama doing the exact thing that tars and feathers other people for! And the loyal left just remains blind.

Mind you I'm not blaming him for foreign investments! I'm blaming him for hypocrisy.

/ have foreign investments and a bank account in my wife's home country.
//full disclosure
 
2013-01-29 10:53:14 AM  

the_vegetarian_cannibal: The Name: Quote of Obama FTFA: "So I don't think the issue is whether or not there are people of goodwill in either party that want to get something done."

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Either Obama is just playing nice for moderates/independents, or he is actually, literally, incapable of learning, like a rock or a plant.

Unfortunately, given his record of dealing with Republicans, I really can't tell which it is.

What can you do? He's the president. He has to be nice, set a good example, and say the polite things in public, no matter how childish or petulant the opposition is. What he does behind the scenes is an entirely different matter.

To paraphrase another famous president, it's not how softly you speak, it's how big the stick you're carrying is.


Speak softly, drive a Sherman tank


//Laugh hard, it's a long way to the bank
 
2013-01-29 11:16:41 AM  

CPennypacker: NateGrey: Tyee: The market place of ideas cringes as the sedan of singular ideology careens into the plaza of objectivity.

A Republican troll using big words? Careful now, dont want to hurt yourself.


ftfy


Yeah, pointing out that limiting the press to a single viewpoint would be damaging to the marketplace of ideas and free thinking peoples is trollish to the single-minded. So is anyone who doesn't agree with exactly your perspective. Good luck to you.
 
2013-01-29 11:19:19 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And the loyal left just remains blind.


Loyal left? Really?

Sane people voted for Obama, because Republicans are frickin' nutjobs that anyone with an IQ over 100 laughs at.

If that makes us "loyal left," what does that make you? "Dimwitted right?"
 
2013-01-29 11:24:29 AM  

Tyee: CPennypacker: NateGrey: Tyee: The market place of ideas cringes as the sedan of singular ideology careens into the plaza of objectivity.

A Republican troll using big words? Careful now, dont want to hurt yourself.


ftfy

Yeah, pointing out that limiting the press to a single viewpoint would be damaging to the marketplace of ideas and free thinking peoples is trollish to the single-minded. So is anyone who doesn't agree with exactly your perspective. Good luck to you.


Was your original post indicating that you think Obama is actually attempting to censor those who disagree with him, or indicating that you disapprove of the Conservative Right's insistence on a singular ideology with demonisation of all differing perspectives, and FoxNew's and the Right Wing Media's efforts in helping them create it?
 
2013-01-29 11:25:46 AM  

Jorn the Younger: efforts in helping them create and disseminate it?


FTFM
 
2013-01-29 11:54:53 AM  

Cletus C.: HighOnCraic: Cletus C.: the_vegetarian_cannibal: Cletus C.: Weaver95: Cletus C.: So, in forging bipartisanship your first step should be to tell your counterpart they are weakly at the biding of those chuckleheads Hannity and Limbaugh?

I hate to have to be the one to point this out to you but...it's true.  if a GOP congressthing steps outta line even a tiny little bit...fox news and the GOP media engine spins up and tries to destroy them.

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So when was the last time that Chris Matthews forced a Democratic politician to apologize to him?

Because Rush has done that plenty of times to Republicans. Even the Republican leaders, if you recall.

Michael Steele apologizing after taking some shots at Limbaugh? He was forced by Limbaugh to do that? Whatevah.

"[House Speaker John] Boehner comes out and says Rush's language was inappropriate. Using the salad fork for your entrée, that's inappropriate. Not this stuff," Will said. "And it was depressing because what it indicates is that the Republican leaders are afraid of Rush Limbaugh. They want to bomb Iran, but they're afraid of Rush Limbaugh."

Link
/Of course, George Will is a well-known liberal who's biased against the Republican Party. . .

Hey, we agree Republicans should not be bending to the will of talking head blowhards. Just like Democrats shouldn't be kowtowing to MSNBC, the NYT or Jon Stewart.

It doesn't help forge good working relationships to accuse them of doing so, which was my original point.


When have ANY of Obamas attampts to build goodwill been accepted? Through his entire first term he offered olive branches only to have them thrown back in his face. Now that he's finally come to the conclusion that there's nothing to be gained by working with Republicans, we have people like you criticizing him dor not doing the same shiat that didn't work in his first term.

Obama has zero chance of ever having a good working relationship with the GOP, and trying to buiod one is an exercise in futility.
 
2013-01-29 11:56:39 AM  

Jorn the Younger: Was your original post indicating that you think Obama is actually attempting to censor those who disagree with him, or indicating that you disapprove of the Conservative Right's insistence on a singular ideology with demonisation of all differing perspectives, and FoxNew's and the Right Wing Media's efforts in helping them create it?


Neither. The "marketplace" is meant to invoke the idea that many options with regards to ideas a perspectives are available for inspection and review. Recently the perspectives and opinions as options appears to have been greatly reduced, almost to a singular perspective and ideology. The remaining perspectives, once plentiful now scarce are labeled and unworthy of review or consideration and unvalued.
 
2013-01-29 12:00:25 PM  

randomjsa: You mean if the conservative media quit treating republicans who "betray" them in the same fashion liberals, including Obama, treat democrats "betray" them?

I fully expect the voices on the conservative side of the aisle to speak out when they feel conservative principles are being compromised by the people that are suppose to represent us. Don't you expect liberal voices to do the same for you?


Yeah, but I don't view the mere act of talking to the opposition to be a betrayal.

That's the difference between you and rational adults.

And this is why you fail.
 
2013-01-29 12:01:58 PM  

JesusJuice: When have ANY of Obamas attampts to build goodwill been accepted? Through his entire first term he offered olive branches only to have them thrown back in his face. Now that he's finally come to the conclusion that there's nothing to be gained by working with Republicans, we have people like you criticizing him dor not doing the same shiat that didn't work in his first term.

Obama has zero chance of ever having a good working relationship with the GOP, and trying to buiod one is an exercise in futility.


Revisionist history begins today, apparently. Obama has ratcheted up the rhetoric at every opportunity, attempting to bend his opponents' will with inflammatory characterizations of them and their ideas. Because you accept and parrot that rhetoric does not change the polarizing results.
 
2013-01-29 12:13:23 PM  

Cletus C.: JesusJuice: When have ANY of Obamas attampts to build goodwill been accepted? Through his entire first term he offered olive branches only to have them thrown back in his face. Now that he's finally come to the conclusion that there's nothing to be gained by working with Republicans, we have people like you criticizing him dor not doing the same shiat that didn't work in his first term.

Obama has zero chance of ever having a good working relationship with the GOP, and trying to buiod one is an exercise in futility.

Revisionist history begins today, apparently. Obama has ratcheted up the rhetoric at every opportunity, attempting to bend his opponents' will with inflammatory characterizations of them and their ideas. Because you accept and parrot that rhetoric does not change the polarizing results.


that's like the pot calling the weed green.
 
2013-01-29 12:15:27 PM  

impaler: randomjsa: You mean if the conservative media quit treating republicans who "betray" them in the same fashion liberals, including Obama, treat democrats "betray" them?

I fully expect the voices on the conservative side of the aisle to speak out when they feel conservative principles are being compromised by the people that are suppose to represent us. Don't you expect liberal voices to do the same for you?

Yeah, but I don't view the mere act of talking to the opposition to be a betrayal.

That's the difference between you and rational adults.

And this is why you fail.


Exactly. Modern right-wingers view any compromise on their principles as a betrayal to their cause, because they are sort of dimwitted ideologues who think everything other that their beliefs are evil atheistic commie liberal stuff that will destroy their beloved Republic.

Liberals are not like that. Modern right-wingers cannot be reasoned with, because they view reason as commie liberal thinking.
 
2013-01-29 12:28:04 PM  

Cletus C.: Revisionist history begins today, apparently. Obama has ratcheted up the rhetoric at every opportunity, attempting to bend his opponents' will with inflammatory characterizations of them and their ideas. Because you accept and parrot that rhetoric does not change the polarizing results.


www.youdontknowjersey.com
 
2013-01-29 12:55:34 PM  

Cletus C.: JesusJuice: When have ANY of Obamas attampts to build goodwill been accepted? Through his entire first term he offered olive branches only to have them thrown back in his face. Now that he's finally come to the conclusion that there's nothing to be gained by working with Republicans, we have people like you criticizing him dor not doing the same shiat that didn't work in his first term.

Obama has zero chance of ever having a good working relationship with the GOP, and trying to buiod one is an exercise in futility.

Revisionist history begins today, apparently. Obama has ratcheted up the rhetoric at every opportunity, attempting to bend his opponents' will with inflammatory characterizations of them and their ideas. Because you accept and parrot that rhetoric does not change the polarizing results.


No u
 
2013-01-29 01:07:22 PM  
President Obama says bipartisanship would be more likely if everyone would just do whatever Obama says with no questions asked.

It's what libs always mean by having a discussion. Everybody shut up and do what the liberal says. That's progress.
 
2013-01-29 02:12:29 PM  

Cletus C.: Plus, stated or not, the party out of power always makes it their goal, No. 1 or not, to take back the presidency.


Yeah that's not true at all. That's only recent.
 
2013-01-29 02:38:44 PM  

Confabulat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And the loyal left just remains blind.

Loyal left? Really?

Sane people voted for Obama, because Republicans are frickin' nutjobs that anyone with an IQ over 100 laughs at.

If that makes us "loyal left," what does that make you? "Dimwitted right?"


Yes 'cause dimwitted is the opposite of loyal. moron.

another Obama voter....... It's enough to make you depressed
 
2013-01-29 03:46:53 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Here's their problem, right here
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The Republicans have sworn fealty to an imbecile


Did you hear him on Diane Rehm when he said it wasn't HIS pledge it was a pledge made to the American People and he was simply the one who drafted it? What a thin facade for such incredible hubris. I don't hear pledge takers complaining about how badly the American People are going to punish him for compromising, they talk about how Grover Norquist is going to spend money and political influence to primary them out of politics. What a Dick.
 
2013-01-29 04:14:09 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Confabulat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And the loyal left just remains blind.

Loyal left? Really?

Sane people voted for Obama, because Republicans are frickin' nutjobs that anyone with an IQ over 100 laughs at.

If that makes us "loyal left," what does that make you? "Dimwitted right?"

Yes 'cause dimwitted is the opposite of loyal. moron.

another Obama voter....... It's enough to make you depressed


Ha, only a Republican would be stupid enough to think I was trying for opposites.

I was pointing out how stupid you are, and you happily demonstrated such. Good work! Vote Romney!
 
2013-01-29 04:14:47 PM  
How does a Republican even get smart enough to operate a computer, anyway?
 
2013-01-29 04:51:29 PM  

Mike_1962: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: HighOnCraic: Noam Chimpsky: yeegrek: So Obama is a sissy, limp-wristed lie-brul bully Chicago gangsta thug who trembles before America's enemies? Do I have that right?

Y'know, maybe it'd be easier to take conservative complaints more seriously if there was just the tiniest bit of consistency to them.

Non sequitur. No one said he's a Chicago gangsta before America's enemies. All his friends are sworn enemies of America.

Today, he's too weak towards our enemies.

Non sequitur. Arnold wasn't "too weak" towards the British.

Non sequitor. Arnold didn't kill an British leaders or bomb any British fortresses.

On which date?...

You're comparing Obama to Benedict Arnold; I'm pointing out that Obama has actually used violence against our enemies (leaders such as Osama bin Laden) and bombed their camps (their version of fortresses) with drone strikes. Did Benedict Arnold do stuff like that?

Look up Fort Ticonderoga.


images4.wikia.nocookie.net

Que?
 
2013-01-29 04:53:38 PM  

Confabulat: Ha, only a Republican would be stupid enough to think I was trying for opposites.

I was pointing out how stupid you are, and you happily demonstrated such. Good work! Vote Romney!



The election is over....

How do you feed yourself?! Do you have someone come over and help you figure out that tricky thing called a fork?
 
2013-01-29 05:08:26 PM  

Confabulat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Confabulat: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And the loyal left just remains blind.

Loyal left? Really?

Sane people voted for Obama, because Republicans are frickin' nutjobs that anyone with an IQ over 100 laughs at.

If that makes us "loyal left," what does that make you? "Dimwitted right?"

Yes 'cause dimwitted is the opposite of loyal. moron.

another Obama voter....... It's enough to make you depressed

Ha, only a Republican would be stupid enough to think I was trying for opposites.

I was pointing out how stupid you are, and you happily demonstrated such. Good work! Vote Romney!


What? It's feeding time already?

You know, i understand that we need to keep the trolls alive or Drew/The Mods will nuke Fark, but seriously, try not to dump a whole truckload of nibbles on them.
 
2013-01-29 07:56:15 PM  

Corvus: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Well, if we could negotiate worth a darn I wouldn't mind Republicans talking to Obama. But we can't so no, no talking with Obama.

Yeah Obama does pretty well for being an "empty suitchair".


FTFY
 
2013-01-29 08:02:42 PM  

Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: The Stealth Hippopotamus: He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

When has this ever happened?

Here is one example:

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You know that Obama that exists in the minds of the nutballs of the right but doesn't actually exist in reality?


Jon Stewart put it best: Clint Eastwood wasn't talking to an empty chair; he was talking to an Obama that only Republicans can see.
 
2013-01-30 12:28:54 PM  

The Lone Gunman: Corvus: cameroncrazy1984: The Stealth Hippopotamus: He can stand there with the bloody knife in his hand and convince that the guy from across town did the stabbing. He can spend the first 30 minutes of a speech bad mouthing and name calling and spend the last 5 saying how we need to end the negativity and do the people's business. And he comes off looking like a saint. He is the human projector, his middle name should have been Sony.

When has this ever happened?

Here is one example:

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You know that Obama that exists in the minds of the nutballs of the right but doesn't actually exist in reality?

Jon Stewart put it best: Clint Eastwood wasn't talking to an empty chair; he was talking to an Obama that only Republicans can see.


Which is apparently the one that Stealth Hippopotamus is talking about.
 
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