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2013-01-28 03:24:41 PM  
Have these people never been to a festival?

Wait, of course they haven't.
 
2013-01-28 03:25:31 PM  
Why are they against US defense?
 
2013-01-28 03:28:24 PM  
Well it's only logical, guys. It's the same reason we passed the nationwide ban on women camping back in the 90s.
 
2013-01-28 03:36:51 PM  
*facepalm*

Women can't pee outdoors? Really? You really believe that, Family Research Council?
 
2013-01-28 03:44:58 PM  
Oh hey, they're attacking non-gays. This is one of the anti-gay family organizations, right? They're so many of them, I lose track.
 
2013-01-28 03:45:21 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: *facepalm*

Women can't pee outdoors? Really? You really believe that, Family Research Council?


To a certain, rather substantial proportion of the "Christian" "conservative" community, female anatomy is mysterious and scary.
 
2013-01-28 03:46:16 PM  
I don't know, I saw some porn once that said otherwise.

/Who needs health class in the age of the internet?
 
2013-01-28 03:46:42 PM  
Wow... I didn't know the Family Research Council has such a pull with who can and cannot fight in combat.
 
2013-01-28 03:46:45 PM  
Issue them driver's buddies. Problem solved.
 
2013-01-28 03:47:05 PM  
Is Family Research Council attempting to be a comedy troupe like Second City?

Cuz damn, they're pretty hilarious.
 
2013-01-28 03:47:24 PM  
I've seen plenty of videos on the internet that say otherwise!
 
2013-01-28 03:48:01 PM  
moran is as moran does
 
2013-01-28 03:48:13 PM  
If women are eligible to serve in combat, why aren't they eligible to be drafted to serve in combat?
 
2013-01-28 03:48:16 PM  
I thought the problem would be the specialty booby armor. Can't just send a breast plate to an armorer to make adjustments. At least not these days.
 
2013-01-28 03:48:23 PM  
They should see my wife walking home after leaving the bar and a long subway ride... Their wrongness cannot be overstated.
 
2013-01-28 03:48:30 PM  
Well not standing too far away, if they lean back and the door is open...
 
2013-01-28 03:48:36 PM  
Little known fact: Women did not exist before indoor plumbing.
 
2013-01-28 03:48:55 PM  

trotsky: /Who needs health class in the age of the internet?


Everybody at the Family Research Council.
 
2013-01-28 03:49:14 PM  
Right. And nobody pees in the shower either. The urge to urinate - the great equalizer.
 
2013-01-28 03:49:23 PM  
What will they get their boxers in a bunch about next?
 
2013-01-28 03:49:38 PM  
 
2013-01-28 03:49:43 PM  
Thank god they don't poop.
 
2013-01-28 03:49:47 PM  
Someone doesn't understand this design:
idolexpress.com
 
2013-01-28 03:49:50 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Have these people never been to a festival?

Wait, of course they haven't.


Shouldn't you? It's almost the Red Hour.
lochgarry.files.wordpress.com

/back to the shadows again
//where an indian's always your friend
///where the vegetables are green
////and...
 
2013-01-28 03:50:13 PM  
I once saw a product that was a little disposable paper triangle/cone that was intended to allow ladies to use urinals.
 
2013-01-28 03:50:22 PM  
Wait until the Family Research council funds out that we're letting Negroes into integrated units!

Also did they hear that homosexuals can serve openly?
 
2013-01-28 03:50:35 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: *facepalm*

Women can't pee outdoors? Really? You really believe that, Family Research Council?


I knew that name sounded familiar...this is the general who was such a fundamentalist Nutjob  that even the Bush Adminsitration had to can him for pissing off half the Muslim world with his speeches to churches that included the Line about hunting a Muslim warlord in Somalia  " I knew that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol."

He's also been one of the leading voices Yammering on about victory mosques and Sharia law in the US IIRC
 
2013-01-28 03:50:53 PM  
Nothing called FaRC can be taken seriously....
 
2013-01-28 03:50:59 PM  

Jument: If women are eligible to serve in combat, why aren't they eligible to be drafted to serve in combat?


I believe they can sign up for Selective Service, but it's optional, not mandatory. Will that change now?
 
2013-01-28 03:51:28 PM  

Gelatinous: Thank god they don't poop.


LOL
 
2013-01-28 03:51:57 PM  

Jument: If women are eligible to serve in combat, why aren't they eligible to be drafted to serve in combat?


Well since this ruling about women serving in combat just happened a few days ago I'm guessing the rules for drafting women will not be far behind.
 
2013-01-28 03:52:18 PM  
Hope no farkers have a fetish for outdoor water sports. If you do, Give it up, man....it's gone.
 
2013-01-28 03:52:39 PM  
slackananda

Nothing called FaRC can be taken seriously....

Yes, but you have to pay the $5 a month.
 
2013-01-28 03:52:39 PM  
Anyone else ever notice how every single one of these objections to women serving in combat has already been proven wrong by the decade or so that we've let them be shot at in Iraq and Afghanistan?

At least when they were objecting to gays serving openly they could point to something that was actually going to change. They may as well be arguing that we can't take the chance on letting women drive or vote.
 
2013-01-28 03:52:46 PM  

Jument: If women are eligible to serve in combat, why aren't they eligible to be drafted to serve in combat?


Fair question.

If they're gonna be in combat, make them sign up for Selective Service at age 18, just like males do.

/Equality, Baby! It ain't only about getting the good stuff!
 
2013-01-28 03:52:52 PM  
Israel lets their women serve the front line and their army is arguably a lot tougher than ours. Israel can do no wrong in the eyes of many Republicans and anyone who speaks out against them is against "Judeo-Christian values" and therefore anti-American. But I guess this doesn't count?
 
2013-01-28 03:52:53 PM  
Many women I know would beg to differ. . . In my family it's called a wilderpee- much easier than a wilderpoo.
 
2013-01-28 03:53:05 PM  
That's ludacrisp! The real women that women can't be in combat is that there might spiders in those fox holes...and women do not deal well with spiders.
 
2013-01-28 03:53:10 PM  
Your Chick-fil-A lunch dollars at work folks.
 
2013-01-28 03:53:13 PM  
dl.dropbox.com

Women can be trained to pee outdoors.
Its not hard.
 
2013-01-28 03:53:24 PM  

namegoeshere: Of course they can! Just start making these in camo.


Or make Cammo Utilikilts standard BDU for both sexes:
farm6.staticflickr.com
 
2013-01-28 03:53:40 PM  
Well, of course they can pee outdoors. What they can't do is write their name in the snow or pee higher on the wall than a man can.

So again, they're inferior. Besides, what kind of combat can they possibly engage in when they're in the kitchen - as they should be?
 
2013-01-28 03:53:50 PM  
Womens equality is basically a sprint to PTSD, Heart Disease, Stress, hypertension etc etc oh but there is a bigger paycheck so it is AWESOME.

Do women realize that if guys could basically give it all up, let them take care of making the money and stay home, most would do it in a heartbeat ?
 
2013-01-28 03:54:01 PM  
Jerry Boykin

My shocked face:  -_-
 
2013-01-28 03:54:01 PM  
Just what do you Christian fundamentalists think Jewish women did during the 40 years they supposedly wandered in the desert? You know, like in that story? It's near the beginning of that book you guys like to hold while you yell at gay people heading to a club or women going to the ob-gyn.
 
2013-01-28 03:54:22 PM  
...and for half a million years women held it in, eagerly awaiting the invention of the powder room.
 
2013-01-28 03:54:30 PM  

Karac: Anyone else ever notice how every single one of these objections to women serving in combat has already been proven wrong by the decade or so that we've let them be shot at in Iraq and Afghanistan?

At least when they were objecting to gays serving openly they could point to something that was actually going to change. They may as well be arguing that we can't take the chance on letting women drive or vote.


Gay women peeing outdoors...

www.troll.me
 
2013-01-28 03:54:32 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: I once saw a product that was a little disposable paper triangle/cone that was intended to allow ladies to use urinals.


The she-wee! It was on Top Gear!

Srsly
 
2013-01-28 03:54:39 PM  
*Scans article for menstrual blood and bears*
Nothing, surely you jest!
 
2013-01-28 03:55:27 PM  

vernonFL: Wait until the Family Research council funds out that we're letting Negroes into integrated units!

Also did they hear that homosexuals can serve openly?


Indeed, even Negresses!
 
2013-01-28 03:55:29 PM  
I'm waiting to make up mind until Five or Six Moms chimes in
 
2013-01-28 03:55:42 PM  
Bathia_Mapes: " You really believe that, Family Research Council?"

Of course not. But they get paid to make a stink.
So they have to come up with *something*.
And the base that responds to their bullshiat *will* respond positively to two predictable forms of argument:

1.) sexist gender expectations.
e.g. women are dainty flowers that are: too physically weak, too mentally weak, too shy, too rape-provoking, etc.

2.) dog-whistling.
e.g. allowing women will necessarily be followed by lowered requirements: playing off that old "affirmative-action hire" boogeyman.
 
2013-01-28 03:55:51 PM  
There were no women prior to the invention of houses.
 
2013-01-28 03:56:31 PM  
One word: PREGNANT.

That is all. Carry on.
 
2013-01-28 03:56:46 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Have these people never been to a festival?

Wait, of course they haven't.


I used to work as a bus boy for a college bar.  From personal experience I can tell you women will piss anywhere they goddamn feel like it.  Drunk women also have a truly obnoxious habit of playing with poop.  Never once did I have to clean shiat off a stall wall in the men's room.  It was a weekly occurrence in the women's room.
 
2013-01-28 03:56:55 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: Jument: If women are eligible to serve in combat, why aren't they eligible to be drafted to serve in combat?

I believe they can sign up for Selective Service, but it's optional, not mandatory. Will that change now?


It will.  Ask any lawyer and he'll tell you there is utterly no doubt about it, but the change will not come legislatively, because that would be poltical suicide for the bill's author, but it will come from the courts.   Once women are eligible for combat, the law requiring men to register, but not women, becomes unconstitutional discrimination on the basis of sex that can no longer be justified the same way it was when previous legal challenges were brought.
 
2013-01-28 03:56:58 PM  
One problem I see with making women sign up for the draft: Wouldn't that provide a perverse incentive to create otherwise unwanted children?

I'm a woman. There's a war. I don't want to go there. Hmm, what do?

As a guy, I'd knock up my GF if I thought it was necessary to keep her out of a warzone. I bet others would do the same.
 
2013-01-28 03:57:01 PM  

treesloth: vernonFL: Wait until the Family Research council funds out that we're letting Negroes into integrated units!

Also did they hear that homosexuals can serve openly?

Indeed, even Negresses!


President Space Lincoln approves of Negresses serving

www.startrek.com

/especially charming ones.
 
2013-01-28 03:57:11 PM  
Good for women? It is a horrible idea. Hygiene issues aside what happens when someone gets pregnant on deployment?
 
2013-01-28 03:57:36 PM  

jaybeezey: That's ludacrisp! The real women that women can't be in combat is that there might spiders in those fox holes...and women do not deal well with spiders.


Yes. Men react much better to spiders. (nsfw language)
 
2013-01-28 03:57:39 PM  
The whole arguments they're making against women are so laughably sexist, it actually reminds me of this episode of the old Batman show...
Link
 
2013-01-28 03:58:06 PM  
According to Norway,  Sweden, Denmark, Finland and a whole host of other countries, not only are women perfectly suited for combat roles as we can indeed pee  outside, we can actually pee standing up. With enough practice, we can even write our names in the snow. So hand over the heavy weaponry and go hide behind yer mama's skirt, Nancy boys.

/wut?  I was raised  by Scandinavians
//we're special!
 
2013-01-28 03:58:22 PM  
I think they meant to say that women can't pee on doors.

/if a woman wants to go into combat, let her.
 
2013-01-28 03:58:42 PM  
The author sounds unfamiliar with female genitalia. I'd love to here his thoughts on regulating female reproductive health.
 
2013-01-28 03:58:53 PM  
A quick trip to Youporn would set them straight.
 
2013-01-28 03:59:28 PM  

Karac: Anyone else ever notice how every single one of these objections to women serving in combat has already been proven wrong by the decade or so that we've let them be shot at in Iraq and Afghanistan?

At least when they were objecting to gays serving openly they could point to something that was actually going to change. They may as well be arguing that we can't take the chance on letting women drive or vote.


Don't give them any ideas.
 
2013-01-28 03:59:35 PM  

Uranus Is Huge!: The author sounds unfamiliar with female genitalia. I'd love to here hear his thoughts on regulating female reproductive health.

 
2013-01-28 03:59:43 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: One word: PREGNANT.

That is all. Carry on.


That makes me wonder... I'm sure that's a problem that's been encountered at least once in the history of the US military... How do they deal with a servicewoman in a critical post that becomes pregnant, intentionally or not, and thus unable to continue in that post? Are there posts that basically come with an order, "you will not become pregnant for the duration of this post"? Can they punish someone for that? Does it create a different form of "shoot yourself in the foot" for women?
 
2013-01-28 03:59:46 PM  
Hah. The derp in this thread has swung across to the other side of the spectrum.

One of his many arguments is that women require a higher level of personal hygiene than men. And that maintaining that level of hygiene may be impossible out in the battlefield where supplies may be limited or there is prolonged fighting. (I.E., you may not have any tampons for your period). And even if it is possible for them to maintain hygiene, maintenance may need to be done in front of men out in the field, and therefore raises privacy concerns (I.E. you may be in a trench for a week and need to pee next to a man).

It's a legitimate concern, but dumbing down the opposition's argument so you can attempt to mock it without addressing its legitimate merits is easier for retards.
 
2013-01-28 03:59:47 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Ok, hopefully modmin doesn't think this is a picture of a dildo, but here goes

[thefenis.com image 420x232]

It's a Canadian invention called a "fenis". It's designed so women can pee, standing up. My wife purchased one so she didn't have to sit on the porta-potte at triathlon and Ironman events.

Their website. So the whole article, and excuse is absolute bullsh*t. Women can take a leak just like guys.


Devices like that have been around for years.  I doubt the pentagon is going to equip every female soldier with one. But really, the whole concept of squatting isn't that difficult.
 
2013-01-28 04:00:37 PM  

Jument: Gelatinous: Thank god they don't poop.

LOL


Yeah, actually they do but you hardly ever see it.

They usually just beef hard and heel it down the drain.
 
2013-01-28 04:00:55 PM  

85blue: Good for women? It is a horrible idea. Hygiene issues aside what happens when someone gets pregnant on deployment?


Probably the same thing that happens now when a man has a medical issue that requires him to take a break from combat.
 
2013-01-28 04:01:33 PM  
Women can't pee outdoors. they secrete a secretion to prevent it. They shut that whole thing down.
 
2013-01-28 04:01:38 PM  

Magorn: namegoeshere: Of course they can! Just start making these in camo.

Or make Cammo Utilikilts standard BDU for both sexes:
[farm6.staticflickr.com image 275x320]


I'll back that as long as woad becomes part of the military uniform, as well.
 
2013-01-28 04:01:55 PM  
We all have to squat for pooping so the argument is invalid.

I can MacGyver a stand to pee device out of a solo cup and some tubing in about 30 seconds, thanks Burning Man.
 
2013-01-28 04:02:12 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: President Space Lincoln approves of Negresses serving

www.startrek.com

/especially charming ones.


Heh, totally forgot about that one!
 
2013-01-28 04:02:37 PM  
Yeah, let's exclude potentially excellent soldiers for a stupid, made up reason that EVERYONE knows is stupid. Standardized PT tests for each role, open to one and all.
 
2013-01-28 04:03:05 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Ok, hopefully modmin doesn't think this is a picture of a dildo, but here goes

[thefenis.com image 420x232]

It's a Canadian invention called a "fenis". It's designed so women can pee, standing up. My wife purchased one so she didn't have to sit on the porta-potte at triathlon and Ironman events.

Their website. So the whole article, and excuse is absolute bullsh*t. Women can take a leak just like guys.


Who needs a device?
 
2013-01-28 04:03:16 PM  
Want to drive these morons ballistic?


Point out how many of their beliefs sync up perfectly with the Taliban and watch the meltdown.
 
2013-01-28 04:03:28 PM  
Um, Family Research Council? TheOne solution is right here:

us-f2-edit.store.yahoo.com
 
2013-01-28 04:03:29 PM  
This is my weapon, this is my _____?
 
2013-01-28 04:03:42 PM  
img844.imageshack.us

Good job, FRC. You farking idiots.
 
2013-01-28 04:03:46 PM  

indarwinsshadow: It's a Canadian invention called a "fenis". It's designed so women can pee, standing up. My wife purchased one so she didn't have to sit on the porta-potte at triathlon and Ironman events.


women i know who run triathlons told me that the just pee themselves. it's not worth the trouble/time to stop, plus they're so hydrated, that it's going to happen.

i thought, gross... but, whatever, i guess people in sports (and i assume, war) don't really care about being all that clean.
 
2013-01-28 04:03:47 PM  
One time I was bicycling home from work, under I-95, through the Philly sports complex. I saw one women, behind one of the I-95 support coluums, pants down, butt hanging out, squatting and peeing like a horse there on the tarmac.

Sorry Farkies, but women trying to pee in combat surroundings is a hell of a lot more complicated than guys whipping it out and squirting.

Women and gays in combat is monumentally stupid, but the PC brigade will get its way for now, and it will be goofy, scandalous, constantly newsworthy, will wreck countless military careers, and go on until we get into a real war, at which point women/gays in combat units will go away overnight as we get serious at fighting for national survival in what ever serious conflict we get into in the future.....
 
2013-01-28 04:03:55 PM  

HotIgneous Intruder: One word: PREGNANT.

That is all. Carry on.


One word: PROSTATE CANCER / KICKED IN THE NUTS.

That is all. Carry on.
 
2013-01-28 04:04:58 PM  

nickerj1: you may be in a trench for a week and need to pee next to a man


You're right, you should definitely get to decide for them whether or not that's a problem. Why let women decide if that's something they're comfortable with when men can just tell them how it is?
 
2013-01-28 04:05:08 PM  

nickerj1: One of his many arguments is that women require a higher level of personal hygiene than men. And that maintaining that level of hygiene may be impossible out in the battlefield where supplies may be limited or there is prolonged fighting. (I.E., you may not have any tampons for your period).


Got it covered.
 
2013-01-28 04:05:29 PM  
Isn't this the same group that said gays couldn't serve in the military at one point because they eat poop?
 
2013-01-28 04:05:35 PM  
I love this guy. First he argues that field conditions are such that soldiers sometimes go for weeks without bathing, then claims that having women on the field may distract male soldiers with their sexiness.
 
2013-01-28 04:06:02 PM  
As a general rule of thumb, whenever the Family Research Council says ANYTHING the exact opposite of what they are saying is probably both the wisest and most civilized course of action.
 
2013-01-28 04:06:08 PM  
Well, I'm convinced.
 
2013-01-28 04:06:21 PM  

DeathCipris: JohnAnnArbor: I once saw a product that was a little disposable paper triangle/cone that was intended to allow ladies to use urinals.

The she-wee! It was on Top Gear!

Srsly


namegoeshere: Of course they can! Just start making these in camo.


No. The best is the Freshette (aka the portable penis). Link You can actually aim it and write your name in the snow.
 
2013-01-28 04:07:10 PM  
Joe Scarborough made an interesting point the other day. He mentioned to Mika that she is in much better shape then him. However, in a firefight, he would be able to carry her around in need be. However, even though she was in better physical shape, there is no way that she could carry Joe out of dangers, since he weighed so much more than her.

That is what this debate should be about. If women are going to (and it sounds like they already are) on the front lines, then they need to have the same PT standards that the men have. Creating a lower standard of physical requirements for women to serve reeks of political correctness and will make for a weaker military.
 
2013-01-28 04:08:03 PM  
In my experience, not only can women urinate outdoors, it's their prime defense mechanism! Win win for the military as far as I can tell.
 
2013-01-28 04:08:18 PM  
Ever notice that the biggest hand-wringing ninnies that spout off about women in combat are men?
 
2013-01-28 04:08:19 PM  
I heard the Garden of Eden had a beautiful Ladies Room
 
2013-01-28 04:08:21 PM  

mark12A: One time I was bicycling home from work, under I-95, through the Philly sports complex. I saw one women, behind one of the I-95 support coluums, pants down, butt hanging out, squatting and peeing like a horse there on the tarmac.

Sorry Farkies, but women trying to pee in combat surroundings is a hell of a lot more complicated than guys whipping it out and squirting.


So, just to sum up: You once saw a woman peeing in public without needing a toilet, and you submit this experience as proof that women are incapable of peeing without a toilet. Did I get that right?
 
2013-01-28 04:08:28 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Jument: If women are eligible to serve in combat, why aren't they eligible to be drafted to serve in combat?

Fair question.

If they're gonna be in combat, make them sign up for Selective Service at age 18, just like males do.

/Equality, Baby! It ain't only about getting the good stuff!


IIRC, Israel already has mandatory military service for both men and women and last I  heard, Sweden was considering it for women  as well.
 
2013-01-28 04:08:31 PM  

85blue: Good for women? It is a horrible idea. Hygiene issues aside what happens when someone gets pregnant on deployment?


The same way it's handled now. Lot of women were deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan.

If they can exceed the physical and mental bars set in training and by regulation, let them go. Yes, it's "rare" to find women with the physical capabilities for forward combat. For those that can perform, they should be allowed to go. Banning an entire demographic because they are statistically less likely to make the mark is beyond ignorance.

They want to fight for their country, let them fight for their country. Just like we let non-whites, homosexuals, and everyone else who wants to fight. This is just another silly barrier put up by those on the wrong side of history.
 
2013-01-28 04:08:52 PM  
I'll just leave this here: GoGirl
 
2013-01-28 04:09:02 PM  
Lest we forget -- Newt Gingrich on women in combat, 1995:

"If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes."
 
2013-01-28 04:09:18 PM  

FloydA: Karac: Anyone else ever notice how every single one of these objections to women serving in combat has already been proven wrong by the decade or so that we've let them be shot at in Iraq and Afghanistan?

At least when they were objecting to gays serving openly they could point to something that was actually going to change. They may as well be arguing that we can't take the chance on letting women drive or vote.

Don't give them any ideas.


Too late.
Free Republic link.
And another, from a woman, no less.
 
2013-01-28 04:09:30 PM  

treesloth: HotIgneous Intruder: One word: PREGNANT.

That is all. Carry on.

That makes me wonder... I'm sure that's a problem that's been encountered at least once in the history of the US military... How do they deal with a servicewoman in a critical post that becomes pregnant, intentionally or not, and thus unable to continue in that post? Are there posts that basically come with an order, "you will not become pregnant for the duration of this post"? Can they punish someone for that? Does it create a different form of "shoot yourself in the foot" for women?


Navy's been dealing with this for the last decade or so, and yes it DOES cause some problems, but as you point out, it ain't like men haven't been goldbricking themselves out of deployments for a very long time
 
2013-01-28 04:09:34 PM  

mark12A: One time I was bicycling home from work, under I-95, through the Philly sports complex. I saw one women, behind one of the I-95 support coluums, pants down, butt hanging out, squatting and peeing like a horse there on the tarmac.

Sorry Farkies, but women trying to pee in combat surroundings is a hell of a lot more complicated than guys whipping it out and squirting.

Women and gays in combat is monumentally stupid, but the PC brigade will get its way for now, and it will be goofy, scandalous, constantly newsworthy, will wreck countless military careers, and go on until we get into a real war, at which point women/gays in combat units will go away overnight as we get serious at fighting for national survival in what ever serious conflict we get into in the future.....


You bicycle to work? What are you, some kind of communist?
 
2013-01-28 04:10:19 PM  
I'm Canadian, so I'm getting a kick out of this.

Canada has allowed women to fill combat roles for 20 years. http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/25/women-filled-8-3-of-canadas-co mbat-positions-in-afghanistan-study/
 
2013-01-28 04:10:59 PM  

cig-mkr: A quick trip to Youporn would set them straight.


Indeed. I have it bookmarked under "reference".
 
2013-01-28 04:11:05 PM  

MBooda: /back to the shadows again
//where an indian's always your friend
///where the vegetables are green
////and...


Am I the only one to recognize this quote from Firesign Theater's We're All Bozos On This Bus?
 
2013-01-28 04:12:22 PM  
Dear FRC, I peed outdoors for seven years. I also dug foxholes, shared tents with men and women (and even, occasionally, officers), got shot at, sweated and shed blood, marched countless miles with about half of my body weight on my back, gave up holidays, missed important events in loved ones' lives such as my father's 50th birthday party and funerals of several relatives, and only narrowly made it to the funeral of the grandfather with whom I lived and who raised me for several years, and due to the nature of my job, once saved an entire farking battalion because I was the only one who happened to notice the precarious situation they were about to find themselves in and quickly recommended to the COL that he consider giving orders to remove them from that situation while there was still time, before they were all slaughtered.

When you, FRC, do that as a "non-combat soldier," then you can tell me whether or not I should be serving my country in an official combat role--because news flash: we've been serving in combat for years, whether you decide to acknowledge it or not. But until you do even a fraction of what we women have done for our country in a "non-combat" role, FRC, shut the fark up you sniveling douchetards.
 
2013-01-28 04:12:48 PM  

There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm Canadian, so I'm getting a kick out of this.

Canada has allowed women to fill combat roles for 20 years. http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/25/women-filled-8-3-of-canadas-co mbat-positions-in-afghanistan-study/


Yes, yes. You Canadians are always so more civilized than we lowly United Statesians.
 
2013-01-28 04:12:58 PM  

Joelogon: Lest we forget -- Newt Gingrich on women in combat, 1995:

"If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes."


There's not much call for hunting giraffes in today's military.
 
2013-01-28 04:13:39 PM  
Just yesterday I was standing in line for the ATM at the corner of University and San Pablo in Berkeley, and looked over to see a giant ass thrust in my general direction.

There was a huge woman, with her "pants" pulled down to her knees, bending over a little, pissing on the side of the bank.

Gotta love San Pablo Ave.
 
2013-01-28 04:14:06 PM  
I've figured it out. These people have never met, talked to, or interacted with any woman in any way shape or form.

Explains a lot, really.
 
2013-01-28 04:14:11 PM  

mark12A: Women and gays in combat is monumentally stupid, but the PC brigade will get its way for now, and it will be goofy, scandalous, constantly newsworthy, will wreck countless military careers, and go on until we get into a real war, at which point women/gays in combat units will go away overnight as we get serious at fighting for national survival in what ever serious conflict we get into in the future.....


Because there has never been any gays in combat units before now, ever.
 
2013-01-28 04:14:57 PM  

HeartBurnKid: Magorn: namegoeshere: Of course they can! Just start making these in camo.

Or make Cammo Utilikilts standard BDU for both sexes:
[farm6.staticflickr.com image 275x320]

I'll back that as long as woad becomes part of the military uniform, as well.


i105.photobucket.com
Approves
 
2013-01-28 04:15:03 PM  

Aigoo: Dear FRC, I peed outdoors for seven years. I also dug foxholes, shared tents with men and women (and even, occasionally, officers), got shot at, sweated and shed blood, marched countless miles with about half of my body weight on my back, gave up holidays, missed important events in loved ones' lives such as my father's 50th birthday party and funerals of several relatives, and only narrowly made it to the funeral of the grandfather with whom I lived and who raised me for several years, and due to the nature of my job, once saved an entire farking battalion because I was the only one who happened to notice the precarious situation they were about to find themselves in and quickly recommended to the COL that he consider giving orders to remove them from that situation while there was still time, before they were all slaughtered.

When you, FRC, do that as a "non-combat soldier," then you can tell me whether or not I should be serving my country in an official combat role--because news flash: we've been serving in combat for years, whether you decide to acknowledge it or not. But until you do even a fraction of what we women have done for our country in a "non-combat" role, FRC, shut the fark up you sniveling douchetards.


Well, I guess we're done here.
 
2013-01-28 04:15:19 PM  

stevetherobot: Joelogon: Lest we forget -- Newt Gingrich on women in combat, 1995:

"If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for thirty days because they get infections and they don't have upper body strength. I mean, some do, but they're relatively rare. On the other hand, men are basically little piglets, you drop them in the ditch, they roll around in it, doesn't matter, you know. These things are very real. On the other hand, if combat means being on an Aegis-class cruiser managing the computer controls for twelve ships and their rockets, a female may be again dramatically better than a male who gets very, very frustrated sitting in a chair all the time because males are biologically driven to go out and hunt giraffes."

There's not much call for hunting giraffes in today's military.


Goes to show what you know about "today's military" and the Long Necked Yellowish Brown Menace.
 
2013-01-28 04:15:23 PM  

sigdiamond2000: mark12A: One time I was bicycling home from work, under I-95, through the Philly sports complex. I saw one women, behind one of the I-95 support coluums, pants down, butt hanging out, squatting and peeing like a horse there on the tarmac.

Sorry Farkies, but women trying to pee in combat surroundings is a hell of a lot more complicated than guys whipping it out and squirting.

Women and gays in combat is monumentally stupid, but the PC brigade will get its way for now, and it will be goofy, scandalous, constantly newsworthy, will wreck countless military careers, and go on until we get into a real war, at which point women/gays in combat units will go away overnight as we get serious at fighting for national survival in what ever serious conflict we get into in the future.....

You bicycle to work? What are you, some kind of communist?


Sounds about as hard as pooping in a combat situation. Which happens all the farking time, really.
 
2013-01-28 04:15:27 PM  

Lenny and Carl: Just what do you Christian fundamentalists think Jewish women did during the 40 years they supposedly wandered in the desert? You know, like in that story? It's near the beginning of that book you guys like to hold while you yell at gay people heading to a club or women going to the ob-gyn.


Not sure there are many Christian fundamentalists on Fark, but while I yell at women heading to the obgyn I'm usually holding a copy of "Black Tail" magazine. You should check it out.
 
2013-01-28 04:16:10 PM  

bluefox3681: Joe Scarborough made an interesting point the other day. He mentioned to Mika that she is in much better shape then him. However, in a firefight, he would be able to carry her around in need be. However, even though she was in better physical shape, there is no way that she could carry Joe out of dangers, since he weighed so much more than her.

That is what this debate should be about. If women are going to (and it sounds like they already are) on the front lines, then they need to have the same PT standards that the men have. Creating a lower standard of physical requirements for women to serve reeks of political correctness and will make for a weaker military.


History shows again and again how women can be effective soldiers. And that was back before internal combustion engines. Banning women because of something so trivial as an arbitrary deadliftvis just grasping at straws.

They're already deployed. They're already in danger. This will just recognize it.
 
2013-01-28 04:16:50 PM  

mark12A: One time I was bicycling home from work, under I-95, through the Philly sports complex. I saw one women, behind one of the I-95 support coluums, pants down, butt hanging out, squatting and peeing like a horse there on the tarmac.

Sorry Farkies, but women trying to pee in combat surroundings is a hell of a lot more complicated than guys whipping it out and squirting.

Women and gays in combat is monumentally stupid, but the PC brigade will get its way for now, and it will be goofy, scandalous, constantly newsworthy, will wreck countless military careers, and go on until we get into a real war, at which point women/gays in combat units will go away overnight as we get serious at fighting for national survival in what ever serious conflict we get into in the future.....


And there's where you tip your hand,  your arguments against women in combat have no substance to them but are convient "facts" cobbled together to support a forgone conclusion. How do I know?  Your incusion of gays gives the game away seeing as how Gays have served, with distinction in combat since the dawn of time.   The Spartans?  Boy-loving sodomites to a man,  it was a required part of their military training.   The Theban "Sacred Ban", the first military unit to defeat the Spartans in infantry combat and the only military unit Alexander the Great ever boasted of defeating?  Paired fighters who were also required to be lovers.   Alexander himself? a screaming bender.  I could go on, and on, and on, but you sir, whether you like it or not, are on exactly the same wrong side of history as those who swore that black lacked the mental capacity to be fighter pilots and tank-drivers and that integrating the troops was bound to lead to disaster.
 
2013-01-28 04:17:16 PM  

Marshal805: Want to drive these morons ballistic?


Point out how many of their beliefs sync up perfectly with the Taliban and watch the meltdown.


Oh! I do  that all the time, but I play dumb while I'm doing it. "You really need to give up your false pagan moon god Allah and find Jesus. He respected women." I can only do  it online though, because I can't keep a straight face while trying to say it in person.
 
2013-01-28 04:17:59 PM  

Cythraul: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm Canadian, so I'm getting a kick out of this.

Canada has allowed women to fill combat roles for 20 years. http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/25/women-filled-8-3-of-canadas-co mbat-positions-in-afghanistan-study/

Yes, yes. You Canadians are always so more civilized than we lowly United Statesians.


It's true, we'll pee on anything, anytime.
 
2013-01-28 04:18:03 PM  

Cythraul: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm Canadian, so I'm getting a kick out of this.

Canada has allowed women to fill combat roles for 20 years. http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/25/women-filled-8-3-of-canadas-co mbat-positions-in-afghanistan-study/

Yes, yes. You Canadians are always so more civilized than we lowly United Statesians.


We try. :)
 
2013-01-28 04:20:52 PM  

KatjaMouse: Isn't this the same group that said gays couldn't serve in the military at one point because they eat poop?


No. Different group. And it's that they eat the poo-poo. And smear it on their face, but definitely they eat the poo-poo.
 
2013-01-28 04:21:27 PM  

bluefox3681: Creating a lower standard of physical requirements for women to serve reeks of political correctness and will make for a weaker military.


Yes. But conversely baring people from serving even if they meet the physical requirements reeks of gender discrimination and will make a for a weaker military. And that's what we're currently doing, so it's probably worth a second look.

/ Also, having standards actually related to the job seems worthwhile
 
2013-01-28 04:21:33 PM  
When are they going to stop segregate genders in the Olympics?!

If women are equal they won't mind competing fairly!
 
2013-01-28 04:21:58 PM  

AirForceVet: MBooda: /back to the shadows again
//where an indian's always your friend
///where the vegetables are green
////and...

Am I the only one to recognize this quote from Firesign Theater's We're All Bozos On This Bus?


YOU CAN PEE INTO THE STREAM.
 
2013-01-28 04:23:25 PM  
I can sort of understand why the FRC is having a hard time understanding how women can pee outside - afterall, many people at the FRC still wet the bed when frightened.
 
2013-01-28 04:24:25 PM  
Obviously, the FRC has never watched any Japanese porn.
 
2013-01-28 04:24:43 PM  

FloydA: HeartBurnKid: Magorn: namegoeshere: Of course they can! Just start making these in camo.

Or make Cammo Utilikilts standard BDU for both sexes:
[farm6.staticflickr.com image 275x320]

I'll back that as long as woad becomes part of the military uniform, as well.

[i105.photobucket.com image 300x249]
Approves


according to a few amatuer apothecaries I know, that would actually be a decent idea.  apparently Woad is mildly astingent so it restricts bleeding, topically anisthetic, and a mild stimulant.  It's only also hallucineogenic if you added some secret herbs and spices.
 
2013-01-28 04:25:07 PM  

larrylboberry: When are they going to stop segregate genders in the Olympics?!

If women are equal they won't mind competing fairly!


When will oranges start giving me apple juice when I squeeze them?
 
2013-01-28 04:25:42 PM  

Bathia_Mapes: *facepalm*

Women can't pee outdoors? Really? You really believe that, Family Research Council?


Well obviously Adam and Eve didn't need to pee in Eden. Toilets were totally unnecessary before the fall.
 
2013-01-28 04:26:31 PM  

ronaprhys: KatjaMouse: Isn't this the same group that said gays couldn't serve in the military at one point because they eat poop?

No. Different group. And it's that they eat the poo-poo. And smear it on their face, but definitely they eat the poo-poo.


Wait... actually... I think it was about them drinking urine now that I think about it.
 
2013-01-28 04:26:37 PM  
As long as women have to be held to the same standards as men, it shouldn't matter. Only one in 500 will be up to par though.
 
2013-01-28 04:27:32 PM  
[you'reseriousletmelaughlouder.jpg]
 
2013-01-28 04:28:37 PM  

larrylboberry: When are they going to stop segregate genders in the Olympics?!

If women are equal they won't mind competing fairly!


It's not a question of competition. Combat service isn't determined by the top X% of physical performers. It's a single bar. If you're above it, you can serve in a forward area. If you're below it, you can't. Of course there will be less women that make that bar. Just like it's less common for someone who is Chinese to play in the NBA. But for those who have the natural gifts, or the skills and determination to overcome their initial disadvantages and make the grade - let them serve.
 
2013-01-28 04:28:40 PM  
The Family Research Council is in a weird spot on this one. On one hand, their BFF Israel has allowed women in combat roles since, like, forever, and nobody has ever faulted the IDF for being too soft. On the other hand, Jesus gets sad when women are empowered to the point where they're not subservient and barefoot in the kitchen. On the third hand (this metaphor has a genetic mutation) their menstruation will attract bears, killing the women outright, and this problem rights itself.
 
2013-01-28 04:31:34 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: As long as women have to be held to the same standards as men, it shouldn't matter. Only one in 500 will be up to par though.


what exactly are these standards that are so tough?
 
2013-01-28 04:33:32 PM  
FWIW, this is the same Family Research Council who bet me I couldn't shiat in the backseat of a taxi.

Easiest $4 I ever made.
 
2013-01-28 04:34:18 PM  
Family - America - Freedom


Once again, we see that any private organization with these words almost always per-determines that they are moronic assholes.
 
2013-01-28 04:34:54 PM  
This contraption allows women to pee standing up.

www.jpattitude.com

And here it is in use.

otoh.org

I also noticed that women smile a lot when they pee.
 
2013-01-28 04:35:46 PM  

Teufelaffe: Ever notice that the biggest hand-wringing ninnies that spout off about women in combat are men religious people?



FTFY
 
2013-01-28 04:37:59 PM  

Brick-House: This contraption allows women to pee standing up.

[www.jpattitude.com image 750x350]

And here it is in use.

[otoh.org image 252x381]

I also noticed that women smile a lot when they pee.


It's a reflex needed to actually get the flow going.
 
2013-01-28 04:39:28 PM  
Gen. Boykin's argument boils down to this: you have to have a penis to be a combat soldier. Women don't have penises, therefore, women can't be combat soldiers.

Ironically, Gen. Boykin's very existance disproves his argument.
 
2013-01-28 04:40:31 PM  

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: On the third hand (this metaphor has a genetic mutation) their menstruation will attract bears, killing the women outright, and this problem rights itself.


Yes, and land sharks. For this reason, blood should not be introduced into a combat area. Anywhere that there is active combat must remain entirely blood free. For safety.
 
2013-01-28 04:40:34 PM  
I sadly read the whole article, and their 8 points boil down as follows:

Women can't serve because they are hot, distracting, delicate flowers.
 
Xai
2013-01-28 04:40:43 PM  
girls can't pee outside? have you BEEN on the internet?
 
2013-01-28 04:41:08 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: As long as women have to be held to the same standards as men, it shouldn't matter. Only one in 500 will be up to par though.


I hear a lot of guys say that, but I wonder how many of them have something even approaching a realistic idea of A) what kind of shape you have to be in for combat and b) how womefully short they themselves personally fall short of that standard despite having a Y chromosome.

  Yet strangely history proves that on several occasions in our history we've been able to turn hundreds of thousands of desk workers and clerks and factory workers into the most feared combat force on the planet.   However did we do that I wonder?

Did we simply go through the population hand-selecting all the hidden Adonai among us and giving them guns, or, as crazy as it sounds, does the human body possess some heretofore unguessed ability to grow stronger and gain more endurance through repetitive physical activity?  And is it maybe just possible that we could somehow TRAIN this strange  human super-power through a specifically designed series of physical exercises?   Sorry, I know that's crazy-talk, I just got carried away
 
2013-01-28 04:42:13 PM  
 
2013-01-28 04:42:22 PM  

mark12A: Sorry Farkies, but women trying to pee in combat surroundings is a hell of a lot more complicated than guys whipping it out and squirting.


You think dudes whip it out and pee during combat? LOL
 
2013-01-28 04:44:10 PM  

bluefox3681: Joe Scarborough made an interesting point the other day. He mentioned to Mika that she is in much better shape then him. However, in a firefight, he would be able to carry her around in need be. However, even though she was in better physical shape, there is no way that she could carry Joe out of dangers, since he weighed so much more than her.


Unsurprisingly, Morning CoffeeJoe is wrong.

Link
 
2013-01-28 04:44:51 PM  

angry_scientist: This is my weapon, this is my _____?


One is for fighting and the other one dun't?

/Say it like Ricky Ricardo
 
2013-01-28 04:45:51 PM  
Women shouldn't be in combat at all. Most of the patients I had in the Navy were females complaining about duty and looking for ways to get out of it.

Almost got my head shot off by a female during small arms training as she pointed the weapon towards us while asking the instructure if the magazine was in securely.

Then there was the lesbian sex in the communal showers, no shame at all.
 
2013-01-28 04:46:10 PM  

pute kisses like a man: indarwinsshadow: women i know who run triathlons told me that the just pee themselves. it's not worth the trouble/time to stop, plus they're so hydrated, that it's going to happen.

i thought, gross... but, whatever, i guess people in sports (and i assume, war) don't really care about being all that clean.


Less gross if they do it during the swimming part, but you probably don't have to pee that early in the race.
 
2013-01-28 04:47:11 PM  

Brick-House: Technically, I don't think she's outside but that's just semantics. Now because some Mod might get all pissy and ban me, I am reluctantly going to say NSFW


Actually I'm just wondering where the hell you work.
 
2013-01-28 04:47:26 PM  

bluefox3681: Joe Scarborough made an interesting point the other day. He mentioned to Mika that she is in much better shape then him. However, in a firefight, he would be able to carry her around in need be. However, even though she was in better physical shape, there is no way that she could carry Joe out of dangers, since he weighed so much more than her.



So...you're saying there's no downside?
 
2013-01-28 04:48:06 PM  
Yes they can and I'm guessing the Internet is full of pictures of them doing just that.
 
2013-01-28 04:48:24 PM  
Pregnancy and hygiene: long term contraceptive injections. No periods, little chance of pregnancy, reversible.

And all things being equal, punish the male soldiers as well when pregnancy occurs. It takes two to get pregnant, if you treat the male the same, send him home, discipline him, the incidences would be reduced. Just saying. Also, unless a woman gets pop in her urethra, and has no access to menstrual supplies, hygiene is relative. Women in combat will stink just as men do. So what...
 
2013-01-28 04:49:17 PM  
And there's where you tip your hand, your arguments against women in combat have no substance to them but are convient "facts" cobbled together to support a forgone conclusion. How do I know? Your incusion of gays gives the game away seeing as how Gays have served, with distinction in combat since the dawn of time. The Spartans? Boy-loving sodomites to a man, it was a required part of their military training. The Theban "Sacred Ban", the first military unit to defeat the Spartans in infantry combat and the only military unit Alexander the Great ever boasted of defeating? Paired fighters who were also required to be lovers. Alexander himself? a screaming bender. I could go on, and on, and on, but you sir, whether you like it or not, are on exactly the same wrong side of history as those who swore that black lacked the mental capacity to be fighter pilots and tank-drivers and that integrating the troops was bound to lead to disaster.

I love how this is constantly trotted out to justify gays in the military. IT IS NON-GERMANE. What happened in the distant past with a society that ultimately collapsed DOES NOT apply to our current situation.

However, MY present day experience with what I've encountered on Navy ships does apply. The heterosexual horse trading that goes on, the destruction of promising military careers caused by "Zipper Failure" is rampant and ignored by the MSM because it doesn't fit their PC narrative of a smoothly operating, culturally diverse and wonderfully perfect "Modern" military.

Adding gays into the mix will make it even worse. When they were not allowed, they kept their behaviour to themselves. With them in the open, they will be pair bonding and that's when all the conflict, favoritism, jealousy all comes pouring out and crapping up the workplace. Happens with male/female heteros onboard, WILL happen with gays.

Adding sex into modern, technological combat environments is a distraction that will cost lives, and ultimately battles. This pathetic belief that "training" will prevent misbehaviour is every bit as misguided as the Soviets were when they thought lifelong indoctrination/education would produce the "New Soviet Man" who would work selflessly for the greater glory of the Motherland.

Didn't work. You can't change human nature.

Like I said, this gays/women in combat crap will be blow away as soon as we get into a real shooting war.
 
2013-01-28 04:49:38 PM  
I meant Instructor, not instructure damn
 
2013-01-28 04:49:54 PM  

Gelatinous: Thank god they don't poop.


And they don't fart until they marry, so the military should only allow single women in combat.

/stealthy
 
2013-01-28 04:50:11 PM  

pute kisses like a man: jehovahs witness protection: As long as women have to be held to the same standards as men, it shouldn't matter. Only one in 500 will be up to par though.

what exactly are these standards that are so tough?


I've been searching online for the info, but my Google Fu is weak today. I do recall reading a few years or so back (I believe it was) that the General in charge of the Iraq shenanigans at the time was saying that women were getting stronger  focus on core body strength in  their training because they needed  to  be able to lift an injured fellow  service member out of a burning tank or Bradley. I really wish I could find that article/interview because even though he didn't come right out and say it, the implication that women were already on the front lines and  that your girlfriend or wifey poo was gonna come home with six pack abs and probably able to kick your ass was incredibly amusing (and cool) to me. It was  also definitely  there.

Unless you've got scrawny little  girlie arms like me, the average female going for a combat role probably isn't in any worse shape than the average male CoD or WoW gamer dude going for the same type of role. We'd just have to work harder at it - something a lot of us are already used to doing. It's not enough  to be just as good  as a male for  a lot of things  women want  to do. We have to be better at it than many men, or it's not happening. 'Tis why some of us can be so ruthless.

/fear us. please?
 
2013-01-28 04:50:17 PM  
Poop even. Damn autocorrect.
 
2013-01-28 04:51:58 PM  
How are women able to be firefighters, and carry men out of fires while wearing over 70 pounds of equipment, if they can't carry injured men out of a combat situation?
 
2013-01-28 04:53:15 PM  

AirForceVet: MBooda: /back to the shadows again
//where an indian's always your friend
///where the vegetables are green
////and...

Am I the only one to recognize this quote from Firesign Theater's We're All Bozos On This Bus?


No.
 
2013-01-28 04:54:32 PM  

dugitman: Actually I'm just wondering where the hell you work.


Hey, thanks for the sponsorship. I will do my best to ensure that Total Fark is kept to the highest standard.
 
2013-01-28 04:54:45 PM  
There are a few issues about women being in active combat roles.

How they will pee in front of men is not one of them.
 
2013-01-28 04:55:00 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: As long as women have to be held to the same standards as men, it shouldn't matter. Only one in 500 will be up to par though.


They will never get past the "kill the spider in the bathtub" phase of the testing.
 
2013-01-28 04:55:08 PM  

namegoeshere: How are women able to be firefighters, and carry men out of fires while wearing over 70 pounds of equipment, if they can't carry injured men out of a combat situation?


They do. Link
 
2013-01-28 04:55:24 PM  

FloydA: Bathia_Mapes: *facepalm*

Women can't pee outdoors? Really? You really believe that, Family Research Council?

To a certain, rather substantial proportion of the "Christian" "conservative" community, female anatomy is mysterious and scary.


If someone introduced them to some "golden showers" videos, their heads would probably explode.
 
2013-01-28 04:58:54 PM  

Psycoholic_Slag: jehovahs witness protection: As long as women have to be held to the same standards as men, it shouldn't matter. Only one in 500 will be up to par though.

They will never get past the "kill the spider in the bathtub" phase of the testing.


I never considered myself military material, but hey, I just killed a spider in the bathtub over the weekend. What's the next phase, "not jumping onto furniture when seeing a mouse"? Or some other cliché from an early 1960s sitcom? Is Vitameatavegamin tolerance tested?
 
gja
2013-01-28 04:59:32 PM  
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

"Women can't pee outdoors". ?!?!?!?!?!?

Every year I work the NYC Marathon and you would not believe what I witness women "doing outdoors", at speeds that make most guys wanna give them an honorary "Bro-Badge" (".....that was some damned fine peeing last relief stop....").
 
2013-01-28 04:59:52 PM  
Ever body knows the men folk drove the wagon trains out west and the wimmin folk was shipped via Fedex!!

Derp!
 
2013-01-28 04:59:57 PM  
All I know is that my ex has the personality of a Tasmanian devil, and if you shoot at her, she will get through a mine field to rip your throat out, and will pee upside down while doing it.
 
2013-01-28 05:01:22 PM  

Magorn: jehovahs witness protection: As long as women have to be held to the same standards as men, it shouldn't matter. Only one in 500 will be up to par though.

I hear a lot of guys say that, but I wonder how many of them have something even approaching a realistic idea of A) what kind of shape you have to be in for combat and b) how womefully short they themselves personally fall short of that standard despite having a Y chromosome.

  Yet strangely history proves that on several occasions in our history we've been able to turn hundreds of thousands of desk workers and clerks and factory workers into the most feared combat force on the planet.   However did we do that I wonder?

Did we simply go through the population hand-selecting all the hidden Adonai among us and giving them guns, or, as crazy as it sounds, does the human body possess some heretofore unguessed ability to grow stronger and gain more endurance through repetitive physical activity?  And is it maybe just possible that we could somehow TRAIN this strange  human super-power through a specifically designed series of physical exercises?   Sorry, I know that's crazy-talk, I just got carried away


You have obviously never served in the armed forces, much less seen combat. I have. The requirements of female members in PT tests is only a fraction required by males.
 
2013-01-28 05:02:03 PM  

someonelse: Psycoholic_Slag: jehovahs witness protection: As long as women have to be held to the same standards as men, it shouldn't matter. Only one in 500 will be up to par though.

They will never get past the "kill the spider in the bathtub" phase of the testing.

I never considered myself military material, but hey, I just killed a spider in the bathtub over the weekend. What's the next phase, "not jumping onto furniture when seeing a mouse"? Or some other cliché from an early 1960s sitcom? Is Vitameatavegamin tolerance tested?


lulz!
 
2013-01-28 05:02:35 PM  
You liberals need to realize that sexuality is a part of human nature, and is ALWAYS going to be present when men and women share the same space unless they are teenagers who have signed and abstinence pledge.
 
2013-01-28 05:04:07 PM  
Oh, and if you get captured...YOU GONNA GET RAPED.
 
2013-01-28 05:05:44 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Oh, and if you get captured...YOU GONNA GET RAPED.


At least pregnancy won't be a problem in that case. Because you know the female body has ways of shutting that whole thing down.
 
2013-01-28 05:06:22 PM  
It goes without saying that no one from the Family Research Council has been downtown at night in any city anywhere. Which is good for all.
 
2013-01-28 05:06:27 PM  
vudukungfu:

YOU CAN PEE INTO THE STREAM.

And that's important.
 
2013-01-28 05:08:40 PM  

FloydA: Bathia_Mapes: *facepalm*

Women can't pee outdoors? Really? You really believe that, Family Research Council?

To a certain, rather substantial proportion of the "Christian" "conservative" community, female anatomy is mysterious and scary.


Because it's never been found on an alterboy???
 
2013-01-28 05:09:14 PM  

thurstonxhowell: One problem I see with making women sign up for the draft: Wouldn't that provide a perverse incentive to create otherwise unwanted children?

I'm a woman. There's a war. I don't want to go there. Hmm, what do?

As a guy, I'd knock up my GF if I thought it was necessary to keep her out of a warzone. I bet others would do the same.


I smell mapcap rom-com starring Emma Stone!
 
2013-01-28 05:09:22 PM  

kindms: Do women realize that if guys could basically give it all up, let them take care of making the money and stay home, most would do it in a heartbeat ?


I friggin would. Here it's all yours, have fun.
 
2013-01-28 05:09:49 PM  
mapcap = madcap, obviously
 
2013-01-28 05:10:35 PM  

larrylboberry: When are they going to stop segregate genders in the Olympics?!

If women are equal they won't mind competing fairly!


I think we can all reasonably agree that these two situations are substantially different. In one, we take the absolute pinnacle of the elite from both genders, and nobody would argue that men outperform women.

In the other, we take a large number of normal people from the general population, and make sure they can meet basic standards*. There are certainly some women who can meet the standards, even if they can't compete as olympic weightlifters in the men's division.

*A quick google says that for 22-26 year old men, a passing army fitness grade is as easy as doing 40 pushups, 50 situps, and running two miles in 16:36.
 
gja
2013-01-28 05:11:29 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Oh, and if you get captured...YOU GONNA GET RAPED.


encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

BRING IT, biotch.
 
2013-01-28 05:11:31 PM  
Why should a pregnant woman be allowed out of her combat unit? It's not like there is a baby involved until after the birth.
 
2013-01-28 05:11:47 PM  
Obviously they don't know squat about women.
 
2013-01-28 05:12:04 PM  

eraser8: I'll just leave this here: GoGirl
Soooooo, it's a hollowed out strap-on?

 
2013-01-28 05:14:58 PM  

Aigoo: Dear FRC, I peed outdoors for seven years. I also dug foxholes, shared tents with men and women (and even, occasionally, officers), got shot at, sweated and shed blood, marched countless miles with about half of my body weight on my back, gave up holidays, missed important events in loved ones' lives such as my father's 50th birthday party and funerals of several relatives, and only narrowly made it to the funeral of the grandfather with whom I lived and who raised me for several years, and due to the nature of my job, once saved an entire farking battalion because I was the only one who happened to notice the precarious situation they were about to find themselves in and quickly recommended to the COL that he consider giving orders to remove them from that situation while there was still time, before they were all slaughtered.

When you, FRC, do that as a "non-combat soldier," then you can tell me whether or not I should be serving my country in an official combat role--because news flash: we've been serving in combat for years, whether you decide to acknowledge it or not. But until you do even a fraction of what we women have done for our country in a "non-combat" role, FRC, shut the fark up you sniveling douchetards.


Thank you for your service, ma'am. Or miss, if you prefer. Or Ms.

Please don't hurt me. I may be able to pee pretty much anywhere, but I could never do what you do.
 
gja
2013-01-28 05:16:01 PM  

MattyBlast: Obviously they don't know squat about women.


Oooooooh, very nice. Pun with a smidgen of double entendre thrown in.

+3 for you
 
2013-01-28 05:16:43 PM  
Bathia_Mapes:
If someone introduced them to some "golden showers" videos, their heads would probably explode.

So again, there's no down-side?
 
2013-01-28 05:17:56 PM  

hutchkc: kindms: Do women realize that if guys could basically give it all up, let them take care of making the money and stay home, most would do it in a heartbeat ?

I friggin would. Here it's all yours, have fun.


Women make up 47% of the workforce. So, your quest to find enough lazy housewives to hand the reins to: Good luck with that.
 
2013-01-28 05:18:40 PM  

mark12A: I love how this is constantly trotted out to justify gays in the military. IT IS NON-GERMANE. What happened in the distant past with a society that ultimately collapsed DOES NOT apply to our current situation.

However, MY present day experience with what I've encountered on Navy ships does apply. The heterosexual horse trading that goes on, the destruction of promising military careers caused by "Zipper Failure" is rampant and ignored by the MSM because it doesn't fit their PC narrative of a smoothly operating, culturally diverse and wonderfully perfect "Modern" military.

Adding gays into the mix will make it even worse. When they were not allowed, they kept their behaviour to themselves. With them in the open, they will be pair bonding and that's when all the conflict, favoritism, jealousy all comes pouring out and crapping up the workplace. Happens with male/female heteros onboard, WILL happen with gays.

Adding sex into modern, technological combat environments is a distraction that will cost lives, and ultimately battles. This pathetic belief that "training" will prevent misbehaviour is every bit as misguided as the Soviets were when they thought lifelong indoctrination/education would produce the "New Soviet Man" who would work selflessly for the greater glory of the Motherland.

Didn't work. You can't change human nature.

Like I said, this gays/women in combat crap will be blow away as soon as we get into a real shooting war.


Were you born an idiot, or did it happen over time?
 
2013-01-28 05:19:12 PM  

Artisan Sandwich: Yeah, let's exclude potentially excellent soldiers for a stupid, made up reason that EVERYONE knows is stupid. Standardized PT tests for each role, open to one and all.


We had PT tests, but I noticed a lot of senior NCO's, and many officers, that would not be able to run a 6 hour mile, much less 6 minutes.

How does that work?
 
2013-01-28 05:19:47 PM  
Okay I out myself as having to be at the gym in 27 minutes but...

When I trained in MMA the women I trained with could kick some serious ass. Granted, up against a guy of relatively equal skill, body weight had a lot of influence. Most cases though, when they locked in a (and I know this word will be abused) choke it didn't matter how big the guy they were fighting was, he had about ten seconds to tap out or pass out. So up against other guys there is an arguable disadvantage in certain situations, but generally speaking someone trained in combat is going to beat the living shiat out of some yokel who thinks fighting involves throwing a haymaker after a few pitchers of pisswater.

Anyway, CSB and back to being a hairless troglodyte IT nerd with dish-plate eyes living out fantasies on the Internets. Or the gym. Or wherever.
 
2013-01-28 05:22:12 PM  

fredklein: Um, Family Research Council? TheOne solution is right here:

[us-f2-edit.store.yahoo.com image 216x149]


THIS 100%, and if ya don't have one, all ya gotta do is just *shake shake*.

And as for the whole distraction thing, people keep forgetting that you know, gays ARE in the military so seperating men and women is POINTLESS when it comes to attraction
 
2013-01-28 05:24:10 PM  
Ever body knows wimmmin pee attracks ky-otes and IEDs.
 
2013-01-28 05:24:12 PM  

udhq: You liberals need to realize that sexuality is a part of human nature, and is ALWAYS going to be present when men and women share the same space unless they are teenagers who have signed and abstinence pledge.


Liberals have to realize this? I thought conservatives were the ones who didn't understand that concept. They're the ones who think abstinence-only is the magical method to keep people virgins.

jehovahs witness protection: Oh, and if you get captured...YOU GONNA GET RAPED.


Male soldiers get raped too. It's not about sex, it's about humiliation and dominance.

Next stupid argument.
 
2013-01-28 05:24:23 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: You have obviously never served in the armed forces, much less seen combat. I have. The requirements of female members in PT tests is only a fraction required by males.


Fun Fact: 1/1 is a fraction.  Besides, who farking cares?  If you can do the job, you can do the job.  If you can't, you can't.  Y or X shouldn't enter into the equation.
 
2013-01-28 05:24:49 PM  

mark12A: And there's where you tip your hand, your arguments against women in combat have no substance to them but are convient "facts" cobbled together to support a forgone conclusion. How do I know? Your incusion of gays gives the game away seeing as how Gays have served, with distinction in combat since the dawn of time. The Spartans? Boy-loving sodomites to a man, it was a required part of their military training. The Theban "Sacred Ban", the first military unit to defeat the Spartans in infantry combat and the only military unit Alexander the Great ever boasted of defeating? Paired fighters who were also required to be lovers. Alexander himself? a screaming bender. I could go on, and on, and on, but you sir, whether you like it or not, are on exactly the same wrong side of history as those who swore that black lacked the mental capacity to be fighter pilots and tank-drivers and that integrating the troops was bound to lead to disaster.

I love how this is constantly trotted out to justify gays in the military. IT IS NON-GERMANE. What happened in the distant past with a society that ultimately collapsed DOES NOT apply to our current situation.

However, MY present day experience with what I've encountered on Navy ships does apply. The heterosexual horse trading that goes on, the destruction of promising military careers caused by "Zipper Failure" is rampant and ignored by the MSM because it doesn't fit their PC narrative of a smoothly operating, culturally diverse and wonderfully perfect "Modern" military.

Adding gays into the mix will make it even worse. When they were not allowed, they kept their behaviour to themselves. With them in the open, they will be pair bonding and that's when all the conflict, favoritism, jealousy all comes pouring out and crapping up the workplace. Happens with male/female heteros onboard, WILL happen with gays.

Adding sex into modern, technological combat environments is a distraction that will cost lives, and ultimately battl ...


"Adding sex"? You yourself acknowledged it was already there.
 
2013-01-28 05:25:23 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: It's true, we'll pee on anything, anytime.


For what it's worth, I wouldn't pee on Eric Cantor if he were on fire.

With your dick.

So there.
 
2013-01-28 05:25:38 PM  
From the HOO-HA thread:

One of the biggest problems we had operationally was that women were constantly dehydrating. The reason was simply because they had no place to pee. Now think about this when it comes to military operations and how far you are removed from the comforts of modern conveniences and think "I can do anything!". Everywhere we went always drew a crowd, we would hope to stop at the side of the road, pull security, and allow females to pop a squat between two humvee doors with another female service member holding a sheet between the doors. The uncomfortablity of the situation led many females to the obvious conclusion that it was preferable to simply reduce drinking water. In 140 degree heat with 100% humidity this led to the obvious problem of dehydration and heat exhaustion, another reason why females always ditched their crew, equipment, and vehicles and simply headed back to their home as soon as we were back inside the wire, including officers, leaving men hours of work to deprep everything.

I've actually sat in mission briefings with females who argued to command, successfully, to reduce the time a proposed mission as they couldn't be outside the wire that long without urinating.
 
2013-01-28 05:27:31 PM  
Girls can't pee outdoors? I have an awful lot of pictures and video that say otherwise.

It is not gonna be any different for a female soldier to pee than any gender of soldier to poop - aside from not having to be as picky about where to pee compared to where to poop.

As for people in this thread worrying over periods and even pregnancy, why not keep them on the pill constantly? Women can postpone periods indefinitely without any health consequence and also not get pregnant too.
 
2013-01-28 05:31:10 PM  

someonelse: hutchkc: kindms: Do women realize that if guys could basically give it all up, let them take care of making the money and stay home, most would do it in a heartbeat ?

I friggin would. Here it's all yours, have fun.

Women make up 47% of the workforce. So, your quest to find enough lazy housewives to hand the reins to: Good luck with that.


Yep most people don't have that option, everyone works. I would gladly stay at home and clean/cook than go to work. The initial hit on home maint is tough, but once done the upkeep isn't bad. However if my wife made enough for me not having to work then I would jump at the chance. I agree kindms is right on, however I suspect women say the same thing.
 
2013-01-28 05:31:48 PM  

Precision Boobery: From the HOO-HA thread:

One of the biggest problems we had operationally was that women were constantly dehydrating. The reason was simply because they had no place to pee. Now think about this when it comes to military operations and how far you are removed from the comforts of modern conveniences and think "I can do anything!". Everywhere we went always drew a crowd, we would hope to stop at the side of the road, pull security, and allow females to pop a squat between two humvee doors with another female service member holding a sheet between the doors. The uncomfortablity of the situation led many females to the obvious conclusion that it was preferable to simply reduce drinking water. In 140 degree heat with 100% humidity this led to the obvious problem of dehydration and heat exhaustion, another reason why females always ditched their crew, equipment, and vehicles and simply headed back to their home as soon as we were back inside the wire, including officers, leaving men hours of work to deprep everything.

I've actually sat in mission briefings with females who argued to command, successfully, to reduce the time a proposed mission as they couldn't be outside the wire that long without urinating.


I'm generally all for equality but the profession of killing people in large numbers should not be one where modesty is more important than efficiency.

It's not like heterosexual-only military keeps guys honest, so that argument is sneer worthy. If stopping to take a piss impacts a mission like that, though.. some policy has to change, and if it's one aiming for equality she needs to keep hydrated and piss in a ditch like everyone else.
 
2013-01-28 05:32:11 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Oh, and if you get captured...YOU GONNA GET RAPED.


T.E. Lawrence has not comment

Ever been in a Turkish prison?
 
2013-01-28 05:33:54 PM  
A detail which I haven't seen discussed but is important to me as a veteran; this former Lt. General who was finally canned for having such idiot views. They did not suddenly acquire those views after reaching the General officer ranks. There certainly had to have been clues that this was the kind of person they were. How the HELL did they manage to be promoted that far? How did they get recommendations from their superiors? How did they get through interviews with promotion boards? I can only imagine the amount of morale damage serving under this moron might have caused.

/no, changing everything you can because you just took over a new post is NOT good leadership
//screw you "Captain Chaos", what we were doing before worked better than this crap you've come up with to put a bullet point on your performance report
 
2013-01-28 05:36:45 PM  

udhq: You liberals need to realize that sexuality is a part of human nature, and is ALWAYS going to be present when men and women share the same space unless they are teenagers who have signed and abstinence pledge.


Nice. 8/10.
 
2013-01-28 05:38:58 PM  

thurstonxhowell: Little known fact: Women did not exist before indoor plumbing.


That must mean God created Eve and the flush toilet at the same time.
 
2013-01-28 05:39:58 PM  
The real reason they don't want women in the military is because the only way women can kill men is with nagging and that is considered torture.
 
2013-01-28 05:41:58 PM  
Mouse died, that post was a quote from ChuDogg
 
2013-01-28 05:43:39 PM  

bk3k: As for people in this thread worrying over periods and even pregnancy, why not keep them on the pill constantly? Women can postpone periods indefinitely without any health consequence and also not get pregnant too.


Pregnancy is another one of those concerns that has been debunked, repeatedly. As it stands now, both men and women can get parental leave. And military women who get pregnant are eligible for, but not guaranteed, an honorable discharge. It hasn't ruined the military thus far, nor has it ruined, say, Israel's military. It's not as if women in combat suddenly become 8-months-pregnant useless blimps overnight.
 
2013-01-28 05:43:45 PM  

Brick-House: This contraption allows women to pee standing up.

[www.jpattitude.com image 750x350]

And here it is in use.

[otoh.org image 252x381]

I also noticed that women smile a lot when they pee.


And here is the combat ready design. Yep, they already make that.

www.champaignsurplus.com
 
2013-01-28 05:44:16 PM  

StaleCoffee: Precision Boobery: From the HOO-HA thread:

One of the biggest problems we had operationally was that women were constantly dehydrating. The reason was simply because they had no place to pee. Now think about this when it comes to military operations and how far you are removed from the comforts of modern conveniences and think "I can do anything!". Everywhere we went always drew a crowd, we would hope to stop at the side of the road, pull security, and allow females to pop a squat between two humvee doors with another female service member holding a sheet between the doors. The uncomfortablity of the situation led many females to the obvious conclusion that it was preferable to simply reduce drinking water. In 140 degree heat with 100% humidity this led to the obvious problem of dehydration and heat exhaustion, another reason why females always ditched their crew, equipment, and vehicles and simply headed back to their home as soon as we were back inside the wire, including officers, leaving men hours of work to deprep everything.

I've actually sat in mission briefings with females who argued to command, successfully, to reduce the time a proposed mission as they couldn't be outside the wire that long without urinating.

I'm generally all for equality but the profession of killing people in large numbers should not be one where modesty is more important than efficiency.

It's not like heterosexual-only military keeps guys honest, so that argument is sneer worthy. If stopping to take a piss impacts a mission like that, though.. some policy has to change, and if it's one aiming for equality she needs to keep hydrated and piss in a ditch like everyone else.


If the issue is that civilians are gathering around the soldiers (which is what the post sounds like--I'm assuming this was patrol in Iraq or Afghanistan?) and there was added risk to the soldiers in that a woman would be endangered by going off alone to squat in a corner where a man could just unzip; then the problem isn't that the woman has to squat, it's that she has to take down her whole uniform to do it. Any female cop knows it's a total hassle to have to undo your duty belt to have to piss.

A redesign of the uniform pants, so that a woman could undo the crotch of her pants and straddle, instead of having to drop her pants and squat, would pretty much end the whole "how will a woman pee in front of men" issue right here. I freely give this idea to anyone who wants to patent it and send it along to the Army.
 
2013-01-28 05:44:26 PM  

namegoeshere: udhq: You liberals need to realize that sexuality is a part of human nature, and is ALWAYS going to be present when men and women share the same space unless they are teenagers who have signed and abstinence pledge.

Nice. 8/10.


You don't think the abstinence pledge thing was a dead giveaway?
 
2013-01-28 05:46:52 PM  

mark12A: However, MY present day experience with what I've encountered on Navy ships does apply. The heterosexual horse trading that goes on, the destruction of promising military careers caused by "Zipper Failure" is rampant and ignored by the MSM because it doesn't fit their PC narrative of a smoothly operating, culturally diverse and wonderfully perfect "Modern" military.

Adding gays into the mix will make it even worse. When they were not allowed, they kept their behaviour to themselves. With them in the open, they will be pair bonding and that's when all the conflict, favoritism, jealousy all comes pouring out and crapping up the workplace. Happens with male/female heteros onboard, WILL happen with gays.

Adding sex into modern, technological combat environments is a distraction that will cost lives, and ultimately battles. This pathetic belief that "training" will prevent misbehaviour is every bit as misguided as the Soviets were when they thought lifelong indoctrination/education would produce the "New Soviet Man" who would work selflessly for the greater glory of the Motherland.

Didn't work. You can't change human nature.

Like I said, this gays/women in combat crap will be blow away as soon as we get into a real shooting war.


Gays and women shouldn't be allowed in the military, because hetero men are unable to control themselves in an environment without gays / women.
Sex cannot be introduced into the military because it will cause the end to the good order and function of a military where sex is rampant.
Also, Iraq and Afghanistan, where gays and women are already serving in combat - are not shooting wars.

Stupid, or just trolling?
 
2013-01-28 05:51:35 PM  

someonelse: namegoeshere: udhq: You liberals need to realize that sexuality is a part of human nature, and is ALWAYS going to be present when men and women share the same space unless they are teenagers who have signed and abstinence pledge.

Nice. 8/10.

You don't think the abstinence pledge thing was a dead giveaway?


That kept it from the perfect ten, but it wasn't a bad addition, really. Although I might have gone with, just ask them all to sign an abstinence pledge, because it works so well for teens.
 
2013-01-28 05:53:12 PM  

Gyrfalcon: If the issue is that civilians are gathering around the soldiers (which is what the post sounds like--I'm assuming this was patrol in Iraq or Afghanistan?) and there was added risk to the soldiers in that a woman would be endangered by going off alone to squat in a corner where a man could just unzip; then the problem isn't that the woman has to squat, it's that she has to take down her whole uniform to do it. Any female cop knows it's a total hassle to have to undo your duty belt to have to piss.

A redesign of the uniform pants, so that a woman could undo the crotch of her pants and straddle, instead of having to drop her pants and squat, would pretty much end the whole "how will a woman pee in front of men" issue right here. I freely give this idea to anyone who wants to patent it and send it along to the Army.


Excellent point and interesting idea.
 
2013-01-28 05:53:54 PM  
Just wait until they're in a group of farting male soldiers
 
2013-01-28 05:56:15 PM  
With about 2 weeks of eating nothing but Asparagus they pee a substance correctly classified as a WMD covered under the Chemical Warfare Treaty. They may not be as accurate as us guys but they make up for that with their scattergun effect. Very scarey!
 
2013-01-28 05:57:23 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Oh, and if you get captured...YOU GONNA GET RAPED.


This is something a woman should understand and take into consideration before signing up, not a reason to tell them they can't.
 
2013-01-28 06:00:07 PM  

someonelse: namegoeshere: How are women able to be firefighters, and carry men out of fires while wearing over 70 pounds of equipment, if they can't carry injured men out of a combat situation?

They do. Link


Those are some hilarious animated gifs but I'm disturbed that is a fetish.
 
2013-01-28 06:01:21 PM  

Gyrfalcon: StaleCoffee: Precision Boobery: From the HOO-HA thread:

One of the biggest problems we had operationally was that women were constantly dehydrating. The reason was simply because they had no place to pee. Now think about this when it comes to military operations and how far you are removed from the comforts of modern conveniences and think "I can do anything!". Everywhere we went always drew a crowd, we would hope to stop at the side of the road, pull security, and allow females to pop a squat between two humvee doors with another female service member holding a sheet between the doors. The uncomfortablity of the situation led many females to the obvious conclusion that it was preferable to simply reduce drinking water. In 140 degree heat with 100% humidity this led to the obvious problem of dehydration and heat exhaustion, another reason why females always ditched their crew, equipment, and vehicles and simply headed back to their home as soon as we were back inside the wire, including officers, leaving men hours of work to deprep everything.

I've actually sat in mission briefings with females who argued to command, successfully, to reduce the time a proposed mission as they couldn't be outside the wire that long without urinating.

I'm generally all for equality but the profession of killing people in large numbers should not be one where modesty is more important than efficiency.

It's not like heterosexual-only military keeps guys honest, so that argument is sneer worthy. If stopping to take a piss impacts a mission like that, though.. some policy has to change, and if it's one aiming for equality she needs to keep hydrated and piss in a ditch like everyone else.

If the issue is that civilians are gathering around the soldiers (which is what the post sounds like--I'm assuming this was patrol in Iraq or Afghanistan?) and there was added risk to the soldiers in that a woman would be endangered by going off alone to squat in a corner where a man could just unzip ...



sounds great for pissing, even better for raping!

/not serious of course
//guys have to drop drawers too
///women just have to do so more often
 
2013-01-28 06:01:37 PM  

Gyrfalcon: StaleCoffee: Precision Boobery: From the HOO-HA thread:

One of the biggest problems we had operationally was that women were constantly dehydrating. The reason was simply because they had no place to pee. Now think about this when it comes to military operations and how far you are removed from the comforts of modern conveniences and think "I can do anything!". Everywhere we went always drew a crowd, we would hope to stop at the side of the road, pull security, and allow females to pop a squat between two humvee doors with another female service member holding a sheet between the doors. The uncomfortablity of the situation led many females to the obvious conclusion that it was preferable to simply reduce drinking water. In 140 degree heat with 100% humidity this led to the obvious problem of dehydration and heat exhaustion, another reason why females always ditched their crew, equipment, and vehicles and simply headed back to their home as soon as we were back inside the wire, including officers, leaving men hours of work to deprep everything.

I've actually sat in mission briefings with females who argued to command, successfully, to reduce the time a proposed mission as they couldn't be outside the wire that long without urinating.

I'm generally all for equality but the profession of killing people in large numbers should not be one where modesty is more important than efficiency.

It's not like heterosexual-only military keeps guys honest, so that argument is sneer worthy. If stopping to take a piss impacts a mission like that, though.. some policy has to change, and if it's one aiming for equality she needs to keep hydrated and piss in a ditch like everyone else.

If the issue is that civilians are gathering around the soldiers (which is what the post sounds like--I'm assuming this was patrol in Iraq or Afghanistan?) and there was added risk to the soldiers in that a woman would be endangered by going off alone to squat in a corner where a man could just unzip; then the problem isn't that the woman has to squat, it's that she has to take down her whole uniform to do it. Any female cop knows it's a total hassle to have to undo your duty belt to have to piss.

A redesign of the uniform pants, so that a woman could undo the crotch of her pants and straddle, instead of having to drop her pants and squat, would pretty much end the whole "how will a woman pee in front of men" issue right here. I freely give this idea to anyone who wants to patent it and send it along to the Army.


I guess that means she's have to "go commando" then...
 
2013-01-28 06:09:18 PM  

Hella Fark: sounds great for pissing, even better for raping!

/not serious of course
//guys have to drop drawers too
///women just have to do so more often


The presence of crotches in pants hasn't stopped rape up till now, so I doubt this would change anything.

dopekitty74: I guess that means she's have to "go commando" then...


I would think she already would be. Why have one more pair of pants to drop?
 
2013-01-28 06:12:58 PM  
A friend of mine has a pic of a bunch of our female coworkers taking a wizz on Pennsylvania Ave. He has the capital building in the background its beautiful.
 
2013-01-28 06:23:02 PM  
What does the KKK have to say on this matter? I mean, since we're apparently polling hate groups now.
 
2013-01-28 06:32:18 PM  

Aigoo: Dear FRC, I peed outdoors for seven years. I also dug foxholes, shared tents with men and women (and even, occasionally, officers), got shot at, sweated and shed blood, marched countless miles with about half of my body weight on my back, gave up holidays, missed important events in loved ones' lives such as my father's 50th birthday party and funerals of several relatives, and only narrowly made it to the funeral of the grandfather with whom I lived and who raised me for several years, and due to the nature of my job, once saved an entire farking battalion because I was the only one who happened to notice the precarious situation they were about to find themselves in and quickly recommended to the COL that he consider giving orders to remove them from that situation while there was still time, before they were all slaughtered.

When you, FRC, do that as a "non-combat soldier," then you can tell me whether or not I should be serving my country in an official combat role--because news flash: we've been serving in combat for years, whether you decide to acknowledge it or not. But until you do even a fraction of what we women have done for our country in a "non-combat" role, FRC, shut the fark up you sniveling douchetards.


You know your period doesn't count right?

/just kidding... thanks for your service and sacrifice, and great comment.
 
2013-01-28 06:33:58 PM  

Karac: Stupid, or just trolling?


both
 
2013-01-28 06:38:44 PM  

groppet: A friend of mine has a pic of a bunch of our female coworkers taking a wizz on Pennsylvania Ave. He has the capital building in the background its beautiful.


Oh, I bet that's lovely. The pinnacle of beauty.
 
2013-01-28 06:45:05 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Oh, and if you get captured...YOU GONNA GET RAPED.


Three guys from my brigade got captured during my second deployment. We eventually found their bodies, or parts of them anyway. From what I gathered their deaths were probably something like the chainsaw scene in Scarface. Compared to that, what the hell is rape?
 
2013-01-28 06:48:52 PM  

kid_icarus: Well it's only logical, guys. It's the same reason we passed the nationwide ban on women camping back in the 90s.


shiat, I didn't get the memo. Where do I hand in my Lady Card?
 
2013-01-28 07:00:44 PM  

Gyrfalcon:
dopekitty74: I guess that means she's have to "go commando" then...
I would think she already would be. Why have one more pair of pants to drop?


What? No way would I go commando in rough military pants, especially considering that I probably wouldn't be showering much. I don't know about you guys, but I can just pull my underwear aside if I need to pee.
 
2013-01-28 07:04:22 PM  
I read somewhere that the desert-dwelling Bedouin and other Muslims pee squatting on their heels. You tell them they can't be in the army and blow people up.
 
2013-01-28 07:09:35 PM  
Another version says they kneel to pee. That makes a lot of sense if you are peeing on a sand dune. Your legs and robes will shield you from curious eyes trying to get a peep at your willy to make sure you are a Believer (or Belieber), and it makes control a lot easier, even in a brisk wind.

Maybe we should redesign our toilets to make it a lot harder for men or women to get their knickers in a knot over whether the seat goes up or down. But it at an angle that encourages a "natural" method of waste-elimination and which forces the lid down after use.
 
2013-01-28 07:20:34 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: Cythraul: There's Always A Bloody Ghost: I'm Canadian, so I'm getting a kick out of this.

Canada has allowed women to fill combat roles for 20 years. http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10/25/women-filled-8-3-of-canadas-co mbat-positions-in-afghanistan-study/

Yes, yes. You Canadians are always so more civilized than we lowly United Statesians.

It's true, we'll pee on anything, anytime.


.. and here's proof:

media.canada.com
/not me
 
2013-01-28 07:25:20 PM  
Every combat unit should be at least 1/3 women.

/Somebody's got to make the sammiches.
//I'll be leaving now.
 
2013-01-28 07:40:45 PM  

Aigoo: Dear FRC, I peed outdoors for seven years. I also dug foxholes, shared tents with men and women (and even, occasionally, officers), got shot at, sweated and shed blood, marched countless miles with about half of my body weight on my back, gave up holidays, missed important events in loved ones' lives such as my father's 50th birthday party and funerals of several relatives, and only narrowly made it to the funeral of the grandfather with whom I lived and who raised me for several years, and due to the nature of my job, once saved an entire farking battalion because I was the only one who happened to notice the precarious situation they were about to find themselves in and quickly recommended to the COL that he consider giving orders to remove them from that situation while there was still time, before they were all slaughtered.

When you, FRC, do that as a "non-combat soldier," then you can tell me whether or not I should be serving my country in an official combat role--because news flash: we've been serving in combat for years, whether you decide to acknowledge it or not. But until you do even a fraction of what we women have done for our country in a "non-combat" role, FRC, shut the fark up you sniveling douchetards.


Aaand this is a perfect example of why this is sort of dumb sh*t is still even up for discussion. Someone much more qualified than anyone currently commenting on the subject comes in, says something relevant and pretty much gets ignored entirely as the trolls and interweb experts continue the slapfight unabated.
 
2013-01-28 07:40:50 PM  
If you look hard enough you will find videos of women peeing standing up with no mechanical aids and only their zippers down. It's only a matter of getting the right angle.
 
2013-01-28 07:45:04 PM  
Shocking, that the Family Research Council doesn't understand female anatomy.

I mean, the word "research" is in their name. Do they not have Google?
 
2013-01-28 07:48:30 PM  

Cythraul: Oh hey, they're attacking non-gays. This is one of the anti-gay family organizations, right? They're so many of them, I lose track.


Yes. The Family Research Council (FRC) is the one that the the Southern Poverty Law Center classified as an anti-gay hate group in 2010, to which the FRC responded with "WE'RE not the hate group, YOU'RE the hate group!"

So yes, this is about their level of argument.
 
2013-01-28 07:49:29 PM  
I've only been able to find one legitimate concern about having women in combat roles - and this issue was discovered by Israelis:

...Lt. Col. Dave Grossman briefly mentions that female soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces have been officially prohibited from serving in close combat military operations since 1948. The reason for removing female soldiers from the front lines was due less to the performance of female soldiers, and more due to the behavior of the male infantrymen after witnessing a woman wounded. The IDF saw a complete loss of control over soldiers who apparently experienced an uncontrollable, protective, instinctual aggression, severely degrading the unit's combat effectiveness.

This resulted in an all female infantry battalion created in 2001.
 
2013-01-28 07:51:05 PM  

wildcardjack: I thought the problem would be the specialty booby armor. Can't just send a breast plate to an armorer to make adjustments. At least not these days.


True. Female Armor Sucks.
 
TWX
2013-01-28 07:51:08 PM  

Brick-House: Technically, I don't think she's outside but that's just semantics. Now because some Mod might get all pissy and ban me, I am reluctantly going to say NSFW


This satisfies Rule 34 in so many ways...
 
2013-01-28 07:54:45 PM  

Gelatinous: Thank god they don't poop.


ecx.images-amazon.com bellicosebeauty.files.wordpress.com

I sense a contradiction.
 
2013-01-28 07:59:30 PM  

Karac: Anyone else ever notice how every single one of these objections to women serving in combat has already been proven wrong by the decade or so that we've let them be shot at in Iraq and Afghanistan?

At least when they were objecting to gays serving openly they could point to something that was actually going to change. They may as well be arguing that we can't take the chance on letting women drive or vote.



Yeah, some of them are working on that, too.
 
2013-01-28 08:02:22 PM  

kindms: Womens equality is basically a sprint to PTSD, Heart Disease, Stress, hypertension etc etc oh but there is a bigger paycheck so it is AWESOME.

Do women realize that if guys could basically give it all up, let them take care of making the money and stay home, most would do it in a heartbeat ?


I knew there was a reason why I had you favorited as "dumb and insane."
 
2013-01-28 08:06:54 PM  
Haven't women been peeing outside for the past billion years of animal evolution? Even going by the standard that the Earth is 6000 years old, there's a large chunk of that period where women peed outside.
 
2013-01-28 08:12:48 PM  
I spoke to a soldier over the weekend who asked the question "If women are going to serve in combat, and supplies are often in short supply, sometimes to the point that a five day mission can last twelve, what about female combat soldiers and their menstrual needs?"

He also pointed out that if male soldiers are required to carry 80 lbs of equipment into the field, then the female troops should be required to carry the same amount of equipment and not have it where women carry less supplies and males carry a mixture of their supplies and female supplies.
 
2013-01-28 08:16:06 PM  

leonel: Haven't women been peeing outside for the past billion years of animal evolution? Even going by the standard that the Earth is 6000 years old, there's a large chunk of that period where women peed outside.


how about a huge percentage of people on the planet still piss outside ??
 
2013-01-28 08:20:37 PM  
Anybody who can pass the same tests should be able to get into combat roles. The thing is...

1. the tests don't change. We already have seen tests and metrics get changed to allow females into firefighter and cop positions because the "standards are inherently discriminatory."
2. females don't get a pass from disciplinary action by engaging in an act that takes them out of action. A man gets charged if he shoots himself in the foot to get out of danger, a women should get charged for getting pregnant.

Everything is equal and everybody is happy and everybody can STFU and GBTW.
 
2013-01-28 08:29:41 PM  

Arumat: A detail which I haven't seen discussed but is important to me as a veteran; this former Lt. General who was finally canned for having such idiot views. They did not suddenly acquire those views after reaching the General officer ranks. There certainly had to have been clues that this was the kind of person they were. How the HELL did they manage to be promoted that far? How did they get recommendations from their superiors? How did they get through interviews with promotion boards? I can only imagine the amount of morale damage serving under this moron might have caused.

/no, changing everything you can because you just took over a new post is NOT good leadership
//screw you "Captain Chaos", what we were doing before worked better than this crap you've come up with to put a bullet point on your performance report


Sorry for the weasel words, but there are many instances in history where armies have used their native nutters (and their opposing POW nutters) to do their nutty work; until they became a liability.

Also, kudos to Aigoo! {salute}
 
2013-01-28 08:35:50 PM  

Great Janitor: I spoke to a soldier over the weekend who asked the question "If women are going to serve in combat, and supplies are often in short supply, sometimes to the point that a five day mission can last twelve, what about female combat soldiers and their menstrual needs?"

He also pointed out that if male soldiers are required to carry 80 lbs of equipment into the field, then the female troops should be required to carry the same amount of equipment and not have it where women carry less supplies and males carry a mixture of their supplies and female supplies.


Jesus Christ, they can use a rag like they did for most of human history.  This isn't a new concept.
 
2013-01-28 08:38:09 PM  

Great Janitor: I spoke to a soldier over the weekend who asked the question "If women are going to serve in combat, and supplies are often in short supply, sometimes to the point that a five day mission can last twelve, what about female combat soldiers and their menstrual needs?"

He also pointed out that if male soldiers are required to carry 80 lbs of equipment into the field, then the female troops should be required to carry the same amount of equipment and not have it where women carry less supplies and males carry a mixture of their supplies and female supplies.


Already been covered.

Also covered: 80 lbs is about the weight of a firefighter's gear, and women do that job. Women have been farming for, well, ever, and that takes some serious farking strength. Moreso before mechanization, but still does.

Not all women are delicate little flowers, you know.
 
2013-01-28 08:38:13 PM  

malaktaus: jehovahs witness protection: Oh, and if you get captured...YOU GONNA GET RAPED.

Three guys from my brigade got captured during my second deployment. We eventually found their bodies, or parts of them anyway. From what I gathered their deaths were probably something like the chainsaw scene in Scarface. Compared to that, what the hell is rape?


Yeah this is what always gets me about that argument.. if the kind of people you are fighting are the kind who will rape prisoners then they will do a LOT worse than rape prisoners(and will likely sexually assault/abuse male prisoners too.)
 
2013-01-28 08:39:39 PM  

Lsherm: Great Janitor: I spoke to a soldier over the weekend who asked the question "If women are going to serve in combat, and supplies are often in short supply, sometimes to the point that a five day mission can last twelve, what about female combat soldiers and their menstrual needs?"

He also pointed out that if male soldiers are required to carry 80 lbs of equipment into the field, then the female troops should be required to carry the same amount of equipment and not have it where women carry less supplies and males carry a mixture of their supplies and female supplies.

Jesus Christ, they can use a rag like they did for most of human history.  This isn't a new concept.


Not necessary. We have little cups now. (linked above)
 
2013-01-28 08:39:58 PM  

larrylboberry: When are they going to stop segregate genders in the Olympics?!

If women are equal they won't mind competing fairly!


And forget all this "heavyweight" and "lightweight" bullshiat in boxing! Everyone is exactly equal! Also, hurr de durr derp derp!
 
2013-01-28 08:41:37 PM  

gaspode: malaktaus: jehovahs witness protection: Oh, and if you get captured...YOU GONNA GET RAPED.

Three guys from my brigade got captured during my second deployment. We eventually found their bodies, or parts of them anyway. From what I gathered their deaths were probably something like the chainsaw scene in Scarface. Compared to that, what the hell is rape?

Yeah this is what always gets me about that argument.. if the kind of people you are fighting are the kind who will rape prisoners then they will do a LOT worse than rape prisoners(and will likely sexually assault/abuse male prisoners too.)


Kind of like how prisoners were raped at Abu Ghraib. By US soldiers.
 
2013-01-28 08:43:57 PM  
Can't they just pee and menstrate in their pants? Not as sop, but when a five day mission turns into twelve and such. No different than being in the desert and not washing your ass for a week. Not ideal, but it's what you do.

Went rustic camping with my wife once. Watched her poop. Still don't know how I feel about witnessing it. Not sure if it was sexy, gross, a bonding experience, or anything. Pretty vivid memories of it. Can picture the exact shade of brown.
 
2013-01-28 08:46:09 PM  

namegoeshere: jaybeezey: That's ludacrisp! The real women that women can't be in combat is that there might spiders in those fox holes...and women do not deal well with spiders.

Yes. Men react much better to spiders. (nsfw language)


I don't have the world's best gaydar, but everyone in that video was pretty farking gay.

I have a similar reaction to mice, and I can't explain why.  I had rodents as pets growing up, but mice skeeve me the fark out.
 
2013-01-28 08:47:03 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Can't they just pee and menstrate in their pants? Not as sop, but when a five day mission turns into twelve and such. No different than being in the desert and not washing your ass for a week. Not ideal, but it's what you do.

Went rustic camping with my wife once. Watched her poop. Still don't know how I feel about witnessing it. Not sure if it was sexy, gross, a bonding experience, or anything. Pretty vivid memories of it. Can picture the exact shade of brown.


Here's the question:  once you realized what she was doing, why did you continue watching?
 
2013-01-28 08:54:12 PM  

namegoeshere: jaybeezey: That's ludacrisp! The real women that women can't be in combat is that there might spiders in those fox holes...and women do not deal well with spiders.

Yes. Men react much better to spiders. (nsfw language)


Great.
boards.cannabis.com
This is now a spider thread.
 
2013-01-28 09:01:56 PM  

FloydA: Karac: Anyone else ever notice how every single one of these objections to women serving in combat has already been proven wrong by the decade or so that we've let them be shot at in Iraq and Afghanistan?

At least when they were objecting to gays serving openly they could point to something that was actually going to change. They may as well be arguing that we can't take the chance on letting women drive or vote.

Don't give them any ideas.


Too late.

And before you say, "Oh, but that's Saudi Arabia," here's a little something from the Tea Party.
 
2013-01-28 09:06:47 PM  

Champion of the Sun: Can't they just pee and menstrate in their pants? Not as sop, but when a five day mission turns into twelve and such. No different than being in the desert and not washing your ass for a week. Not ideal, but it's what you do.

Went rustic camping with my wife once. Watched her poop. Still don't know how I feel about witnessing it. Not sure if it was sexy, gross, a bonding experience, or anything. Pretty vivid memories of it. Can picture the exact shade of brown.


Meh. Try emptying it out after it's festered for a weekend.

SCA camping with my wife in the Pacific Northwest, where wandering around in remote locations in the dark can have real consequences, so we've a personal porta-pottie for our marquee tent. Dump the personal porta-pottie in the much larger rented porta-pottee at the end of the event.

Even better, try getting splashed with it because some yokel yanked the door of the rented porta-pottee while you're dumping the personal one. Whee.
 
2013-01-28 09:24:49 PM  

thurstonxhowell: One problem I see with making women sign up for the draft: Wouldn't that provide a perverse incentive to create otherwise unwanted children?

I'm a woman. There's a war. I don't want to go there. Hmm, what do?

As a guy, I'd knock up my GF if I thought it was necessary to keep her out of a warzone. I bet others would do the same.


Sure, what's her address?

;)
 
2013-01-28 09:27:06 PM  

thurstonxhowell: One problem I see with making women sign up for the draft: Wouldn't that provide a perverse incentive to create otherwise unwanted children?

I'm a woman. There's a war. I don't want to go there. Hmm, what do?

As a guy, I'd knock up my GF if I thought it was necessary to keep her out of a warzone. I bet others would do the same.


Dave Barry and his friends went through this debacle back in the 60s during Vietnam. His friends faked crazy to get out of the draft, while Dave registered as a conscientious objector. Since he went to a Quaker college, he got off easy, but everyone else said they got grilled for it. Dave described one of his friends who actually shiat himself during the interview just to drive the point that he was unfit to serve. Thankfully, they bought it.
In conclusion, if a woman didn't want to serve, she could just apply for conscientious objector status like guys do. That's what I plan to do if it turns out we have to sign up for the draft. That or seek asylum in Canada.
 
2013-01-28 09:30:48 PM  
Guess they never heard of a Squad whore.
 
2013-01-28 09:31:55 PM  

treesloth: HotIgneous Intruder: One word: PREGNANT.

That is all. Carry on.

That makes me wonder... I'm sure that's a problem that's been encountered at least once in the history of the US military... How do they deal with a servicewoman in a critical post that becomes pregnant, intentionally or not, and thus unable to continue in that post? Are there posts that basically come with an order, "you will not become pregnant for the duration of this post"? Can they punish someone for that? Does it create a different form of "shoot yourself in the foot" for women?


It's very simple; they just remove you from your post and replace you with someone else. Not any different than if a male Soldier, at a critical post, becomes injured or ill and has to be CASEVAC'ed. As for being punished for getting pregnant...no. I guess they could request/suggest the female combat Soldiers use birth control pills, but they could not force them to do so.

Interesting FYI - male Soldiers can request a hardship discharge (honorable) if their spouse gives birth. Not the same as a pregnancy chapter, but the end results are identical.
 
2013-01-28 09:32:39 PM  

FormlessOne: Champion of the Sun: Can't they just pee and menstrate in their pants? Not as sop, but when a five day mission turns into twelve and such. No different than being in the desert and not washing your ass for a week. Not ideal, but it's what you do.

Went rustic camping with my wife once. Watched her poop. Still don't know how I feel about witnessing it. Not sure if it was sexy, gross, a bonding experience, or anything. Pretty vivid memories of it. Can picture the exact shade of brown.

Meh. Try emptying it out after it's festered for a weekend.

SCA camping with my wife in the Pacific Northwest, where wandering around in remote locations in the dark can have real consequences, so we've a personal porta-pottie for our marquee tent. Dump the personal porta-pottie in the much larger rented porta-pottee at the end of the event.

Even better, try getting splashed with it because some yokel yanked the door of the rented porta-pottee while you're dumping the personal one. Whee.


I seem to remember some Iraq invasion biography where the guy's unit had their very own specially constructed homemade toilet. A little plywood box with a toilet seat set into it. Humvees stopped, and if you needed to, you grabbed the box, set it down and took a dump. IIRC there was a point of etiquette about not getting shiat stuck to the inside of the box.

Oh, and there was special recognition for guys (as in plural) who used to box to jack it while under fire.

Yeah, women pissing is going to be an insurmountable problem.
 
2013-01-28 09:58:42 PM  

Lsherm: Champion of the Sun: Can't they just pee and menstrate in their pants? Not as sop, but when a five day mission turns into twelve and such. No different than being in the desert and not washing your ass for a week. Not ideal, but it's what you do.

Went rustic camping with my wife once. Watched her poop. Still don't know how I feel about witnessing it. Not sure if it was sexy, gross, a bonding experience, or anything. Pretty vivid memories of it. Can picture the exact shade of brown.

Here's the question:  once you realized what she was doing, why did you continue watching?


I watched her on purpose. Once it starts, you can't stop looking til the pinch
 
2013-01-28 10:15:12 PM  
If they can't pee outdoors they'll just have to hold it 'til they go inside.
 
2013-01-28 10:15:22 PM  
So they just held it their whole lives up until the invention of indoor plumbing?
 
2013-01-28 10:28:51 PM  

Aigoo: Dear FRC, I peed outdoors for seven years. I also dug foxholes, shared tents with men and women (and even, occasionally, officers), got shot at, sweated and shed blood, marched countless miles with about half of my body weight on my back, gave up holidays, missed important events in loved ones' lives such as my father's 50th birthday party and funerals of several relatives, and only narrowly made it to the funeral of the grandfather with whom I lived and who raised me for several years, and due to the nature of my job, once saved an entire farking battalion because I was the only one who happened to notice the precarious situation they were about to find themselves in and quickly recommended to the COL that he consider giving orders to remove them from that situation while there was still time, before they were all slaughtered.

When you, FRC, do that as a "non-combat soldier," then you can tell me whether or not I should be serving my country in an official combat role--because news flash: we've been serving in combat for years, whether you decide to acknowledge it or not. But until you do even a fraction of what we women have done for our country in a "non-combat" role, FRC, shut the fark up you sniveling douchetards.


On behalf of my daughter and myself, thank you. I hope more women like you continue to inspire the next generation of little girls.
 
2013-01-28 10:29:30 PM  
Many a year ago when I was in the Air Force I was involved in a ready seas mobility exercise where we had to load up several non-existant cargo aircraft with various equipment. Basicall we position equipment and pallets on the tarmac in taped off areas that represented the planes. Once done, we were all standing around in the middle of the night in formation awaiting orders. One NCO (male) needed to pee real bad, so he broke ranks, walked up to one of the vehicles loaded on the simulated aircraft and pissed under it. Once he finished he rejoined his formation. Not 5 minutes later a young Leutenant showed up and happen to notice the puddle under the vehicle. Thinking the vehicle had a leak, he stooped down and rubbed a couple of fingers in the piss and proceeded to sniff it to identify what was leaking. That pretty much put an end to good order and displine in the ranks as everyone was pretty much laughing their asses off.
 
2013-01-28 10:34:23 PM  

bluefox3681: Joe Scarborough made an interesting point the other day. He mentioned to Mika that she is in much better shape then him. However, in a firefight, he would be able to carry her around in need be. However, even though she was in better physical shape, there is no way that she could carry Joe out of dangers, since he weighed so much more than her.

That is what this debate should be about. If women are going to (and it sounds like they already are) on the front lines, then they need to have the same PT standards that the men have. Creating a lower standard of physical requirements for women to serve reeks of political correctness and will make for a weaker military.


Or maybe you don't know what you are talking about.
 
2013-01-28 10:34:40 PM  
How about perching yourself on a 3 foot high "toilet hole" you have to squat over, while quizzing along on a high speed Japanese bullet train? Japanese women would be great on the front lines, the toilet options are endless there...

Also, wouldn't it be more advantageous for both men and women to stay low while peeing? Aren't you more of an easy target standing up?

But I agree with those who say urination style is not the real issue here. Most of those other arguments have already been brought up.
 
2013-01-28 11:30:30 PM  
us.123rf.com

Nature's outhouse. Now shut the fark up, FRC.
 
2013-01-28 11:59:03 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: udhq: You liberals need to realize that sexuality is a part of human nature, and is ALWAYS going to be present when men and women share the same space unless they are teenagers who have signed and abstinence pledge.

Liberals have to realize this? I thought conservatives were the ones who didn't understand that concept. They're the ones who think abstinence-only is the magical method to keep people virgins.

jehovahs witness protection: Oh, and if you get captured...YOU GONNA GET RAPED.

Male soldiers get raped too. It's not about sex, it's about humiliation and dominance.

Next stupid argument.


I don't think the rape thing is a stupid argument at all. A male soldier might be raped if his captors are sadistic torturing bastards, but not likely for "fun". A woman soldier on the other hand would I think be raped just for shiats and giggles in a lot of scenarios. The US military is mostly in the M.E. these days. Those fellows don't exactly have a forward-thinking attitude towards women.
 
2013-01-29 12:03:39 AM  

FloydA: Bathia_Mapes: *facepalm*

Women can't pee outdoors? Really? You really believe that, Family Research Council?

To a certain, rather substantial proportion of the "Christian" "conservative" community, female anatomy is mysterious and scary.


I am not Christian or conservative but I defentaly find the female anatomy scary I don't know how stright men do it
 
2013-01-29 12:08:37 AM  

ronaprhys: Well, of course they can pee outdoors. What they can't do is write their name in the snow or pee higher on the wall than a man can.

So again, they're inferior. Besides, what kind of combat can they possibly engage in when they're in the kitchen - as they should be?


Pan to pan combat..that's all they're good for.  Now make me a sammich!

/I keed
/I love women and know that they as a whole are much smarter and stronger than myself and most of the men I know.
 
2013-01-29 12:44:11 AM  
The Family Research Council: are they stupid because they're rightwingers or are they rightwingers because they're stupid?
 
2013-01-29 12:49:26 AM  

crabsno termites: Every combat unit should be at least 1/3 women.

/Somebody's got to make the sammiches.
//I'll be leaving now.


Legs, torso or head?

I'm having trouble picturing how that would look.
 
2013-01-29 01:34:47 AM  

Bucky Katt: The Family Research Council: are they stupid because they're rightwingers or are they rightwingers because they're stupid?


yes
 
2013-01-29 02:08:42 AM  

treesloth: That makes me wonder... I'm sure that's a problem that's been encountered at least once in the history of the US military... How do they deal with a servicewoman in a critical post that becomes pregnant, intentionally or not, and thus unable to continue in that post? Are there posts that basically come with an order, "you will not become pregnant for the duration of this post"? Can they punish someone for that? Does it create a different form of "shoot yourself in the foot" for women?


You mean what do they do when Srgt. Dunkard gets the shi*t beat out of him at some dive off base and ends up with a broken arm? Women don't magically get pregnant.
 
2013-01-29 02:30:24 AM  

Jument: If women are eligible to serve in combat, why aren't they eligible to be drafted to serve in combat?


I suspect that might be coming, but I've always preferred to see the draft abolished since it helps to prevent unpopular and unnecessary wars (though not 100%). People always bring up the draft thing, as if women themselves decided not to be included. I find it puerile. Men decided that women couldn't be drafted, not women, so it shouldn't be held against women.
 
2013-01-29 04:01:59 AM  

Precision Boobery: From the HOO-HA thread:

One of the biggest problems we had operationally was that women were constantly dehydrating. The reason was simply because they had no place to pee. Now think about this when it comes to military operations and how far you are removed from the comforts of modern conveniences and think "I can do anything!". Everywhere we went always drew a crowd, we would hope to stop at the side of the road, pull security, and allow females to pop a squat between two humvee doors with another female service member holding a sheet between the doors. The uncomfortablity of the situation led many females to the obvious conclusion that it was preferable to simply reduce drinking water. In 140 degree heat with 100% humidity this led to the obvious problem of dehydration and heat exhaustion, another reason why females always ditched their crew, equipment, and vehicles and simply headed back to their home as soon as we were back inside the wire, including officers, leaving men hours of work to deprep everything.

I've actually sat in mission briefings with females who argued to command, successfully, to reduce the time a proposed mission as they couldn't be outside the wire that long without urinating.


And I believe it was Thaeatatus who pointed out that female soldiers stopped drinking after 4pm because there was (and is) a very real problem with their male counterparts raping them when they had to piss after dark.

Women like Aigoo up thread have been in combat for years, roughing it with the men. Now they'll just get proper credit.
 
2013-01-29 05:22:01 AM  

ciberido: namegoeshere: jaybeezey: That's ludacrisp! The real women that women can't be in combat is that there might spiders in those fox holes...and women do not deal well with spiders.

Yes. Men react much better to spiders. (nsfw language)

Great.
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This is now a spider thread.


Oh, you are mean but hilarious : )
 
2013-01-29 08:26:56 AM  
All they need is a hand from another girl to pee 18 feet.
 
2013-01-29 08:59:15 AM  
CSB:

On convoy back to Kuwait, and we had to stop on the side of the road for an hour for some reason I never did find out. My driver, a very 'girly' girl. Had to pee. As there was no porta-shiatter on the side of MSR Tampa, I suggested she take a squat in front of the HMMWV and let fly. She was clearly unacustomed to whizzing on the street, so I ended up having to brace her with my knee while she held on to the bush guard (which had nothing to do with her muff, BTW). She didn't do well. Managed to piss all over her boots. So afterwards her new nickname was Piss-in-boots.
 
2013-01-29 09:42:39 AM  

mark12A: One time I was bicycling home from work, under I-95, through the Philly sports complex. I saw one women, behind one of the I-95 support coluums, pants down, butt hanging out, squatting and peeing like a horse there on the tarmac.

Sorry Farkies, but women trying to pee in combat surroundings is a hell of a lot more complicated than guys whipping it out and squirting.

Women and gays in combat is monumentally stupid, but the PC brigade will get its way for now, and it will be goofy, scandalous, constantly newsworthy, will wreck countless military careers, and go on until we get into a real war, at which point women/gays in combat units will go away overnight as we get serious at fighting for national survival in what ever serious conflict we get into in the future.....


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I take it you've never seen ONE movie or read ONE book about a post-apocalyptic scenario or alien invasion.
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Women fight right there alongside the men.
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And if you're going to throw out the ol' already-disproved argument that what I said is just a story or just sci-fi, if you're reading this on an iPad, I give you Star Trek's PADD.
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(Look it up, google's your friend. I'm not.)
 
2013-01-29 02:09:57 PM  

Colin O'Scopy: mark12A: One time I was bicycling home from work, under I-95, through the Philly sports complex. I saw one women, behind one of the I-95 support coluums, pants down, butt hanging out, squatting and peeing like a horse there on the tarmac.

Sorry Farkies, but women trying to pee in combat surroundings is a hell of a lot more complicated than guys whipping it out and squirting.

Women and gays in combat is monumentally stupid, but the PC brigade will get its way for now, and it will be goofy, scandalous, constantly newsworthy, will wreck countless military careers, and go on until we get into a real war, at which point women/gays in combat units will go away overnight as we get serious at fighting for national survival in what ever serious conflict we get into in the future.....

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I take it you've never seen ONE movie or read ONE book about a post-apocalyptic scenario or alien invasion.
.
Women fight right there alongside the men.
.
And if you're going to throw out the ol' already-disproved argument that what I said is just a story or just sci-fi, if you're reading this on an iPad, I give you Star Trek's PADD.
.
(Look it up, google's your friend. I'm not.)



I wouldn't try to argue with mark12A about what is and isn't stupid, if I were you. Trust me, mark12A is an EXPERT on stupidity.
 
2013-01-29 02:14:12 PM  
A new logistical problem is the MREs are going to be bigger and bulkier with all the extra toilet paper and tampons.
 
2013-01-29 04:44:19 PM  

acidsurfer: I've only been able to find one legitimate concern about having women in combat roles - and this issue was discovered by Israelis:

...Lt. Col. Dave Grossman briefly mentions that female soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces have been officially prohibited from serving in close combat military operations since 1948. The reason for removing female soldiers from the front lines was due less to the performance of female soldiers, and more due to the behavior of the male infantrymen after witnessing a woman wounded. The IDF saw a complete loss of control over soldiers who apparently experienced an uncontrollable, protective, instinctual aggression, severely degrading the unit's combat effectiveness.

This resulted in an all female infantry battalion created in 2001.


Not so much.
Do Men Really Fall Apart When A Female Soldier Gets Killed?

FTL: "She also pointed out that if there were any sort of natural male urge to protect women, domestic violence and sexual assault wouldn't be so prevalent. The Service Women's Action Network estimate that 19,000 sexual assaults occurred in the military in 2010 (the most recent year data was collected) and "Military Sexual Trauma" is the leading cause of PTSD among female veterans. How's that for a protection instinct? "
 
2013-01-29 05:19:21 PM  

cardex: FloydA: Bathia_Mapes: *facepalm*

Women can't pee outdoors? Really? You really believe that, Family Research Council?

To a certain, rather substantial proportion of the "Christian" "conservative" community, female anatomy is mysterious and scary.

I am not Christian or conservative but I defentaly find the female anatomy scary I don't know how stright men do it


It's easy, it's just like riding a bicycle...

...by which I mean you climb on, grab the pieces that stick out in the front, move your legs around a lot, and if you decide to ride one that's not well adjusted, it will usually end up being a pain in the ass.
 
2013-01-29 05:36:17 PM  

FloydA: cardex: FloydA: Bathia_Mapes: *facepalm*

Women can't pee outdoors? Really? You really believe that, Family Research Council?

To a certain, rather substantial proportion of the "Christian" "conservative" community, female anatomy is mysterious and scary.

I am not Christian or conservative but I defentaly find the female anatomy scary I don't know how stright men do it

It's easy, it's just like riding a bicycle...

...by which I mean you climb on, grab the pieces that stick out in the front, move your legs around a lot, and if you decide to ride one that's not well adjusted, it will usually end up being a pain in the ass.


That sounds more like how you have gay sex than deal with broads and their hatchet wounds.
 
2013-01-29 06:50:03 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: FloydA: cardex: FloydA: Bathia_Mapes: *facepalm*

Women can't pee outdoors? Really? You really believe that, Family Research Council?

To a certain, rather substantial proportion of the "Christian" "conservative" community, female anatomy is mysterious and scary.

I am not Christian or conservative but I defentaly find the female anatomy scary I don't know how stright men do it

It's easy, it's just like riding a bicycle...

...by which I mean you climb on, grab the pieces that stick out in the front, move your legs around a lot, and if you decide to ride one that's not well adjusted, it will usually end up being a pain in the ass.

That sounds more like how you have gay sex than deal with broads and their hatchet wounds.


Sawa sawa.  It looks like "Hey, that's exactly the same way we do it" to everybody I've ever met.

As long as nobody is left out, I'm OK with it.  ;-)
 
2013-01-29 09:57:03 PM  

stevetherobot: acidsurfer: I've only been able to find one legitimate concern about having women in combat roles - and this issue was discovered by Israelis:

...Lt. Col. Dave Grossman briefly mentions that female soldiers in the Israel Defense Forces have been officially prohibited from serving in close combat military operations since 1948. The reason for removing female soldiers from the front lines was due less to the performance of female soldiers, and more due to the behavior of the male infantrymen after witnessing a woman wounded. The IDF saw a complete loss of control over soldiers who apparently experienced an uncontrollable, protective, instinctual aggression, severely degrading the unit's combat effectiveness.

This resulted in an all female infantry battalion created in 2001.

Not so much.
Do Men Really Fall Apart When A Female Soldier Gets Killed?

FTL: "She also pointed out that if there were any sort of natural male urge to protect women, domestic violence and sexual assault wouldn't be so prevalent. The Service Women's Action Network estimate that 19,000 sexual assaults occurred in the military in 2010 (the most recent year data was collected) and "Military Sexual Trauma" is the leading cause of PTSD among female veterans. How's that for a protection instinct? "


Men are all about protecting women, when they're not busy raping and beating and murdering them.
 
2013-01-30 01:25:19 PM  

MythDragon: On convoy back to Kuwait, and we had to stop on the side of the road for an hour for some reason I never did find out. My driver, a very 'girly' girl. Had to pee. As there was no porta-shiatter on the side of MSR Tampa, I suggested she take a squat in front of the HMMWV and let fly. She was clearly unacustomed to whizzing on the street, so I ended up having to brace her with my knee while she held on to the bush guard (which had nothing to do with her muff, BTW). She didn't do well. Managed to piss all over her boots. So afterwards her new nickname was Piss-in-boots.


When I joined the Peace Corps we had a training on how to use the Asian-style squat toilets.  A trainer actually did a demonstration, complete with props representing human waste and miming of taking down his pants and everything.  There is a skill involved, but I assure you that a Western woman can learn how to squat and relieve herself without getting any mess on her clothing.  In all seriousness, if the Army doesn't already have a training video or something, they really should make one.  It is not something I would have cared to have learned purely though trial-and-error.
 
2013-01-30 06:46:26 PM  

buttcat: It's very simple; they just remove you from your post and replace you with someone else. Not any different than if a male Soldier, at a critical post, becomes injured or ill and has to be CASEVAC'ed.


If the woman got pregnant by enemy action or rape then yes, that is what would happen.  If a male soldier is injured on the front line by some action he takes himself(shoot in foot), no.  Pregnancy outside of rape is a voluntary action and she should get the same punishment as what a male would get.  The father, if he is also a service member should also get a little taste of it too.
 
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