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2013-01-28 07:38:20 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I'm fairly certain that one of my Scoutmasters was a peter puffer.


But that doesn't really go to his character. The real question, as regards his fitness to be a role model for young men, is this: was he the kind of guy who would fark a person in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around?
 
2013-01-28 07:43:36 PM  
www.orgsites.com

That is all.
 
2013-01-28 07:45:38 PM  

madgonad: Can anyone else hear the Mormon Church gathering up their bases, balls, and bats and going home?

Seriously - if this is the case, thousands of troops will cease to exist on the following day.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-28 07:48:56 PM  

12349876: snowjack: They put a black kid in their ad too.
Dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!


[imageshack.us image 450x340]

I'm trying to tell if that's shooped. The black kids shirt doesn't have any badges on it. Even if it isn't I'm guessing black kids are so rare they couldn't find one the same height as the others.


I shooped in "MORMON" over the word "SCOUT" 'cause that's what it was about when I was a kid (in the '80s) Someone else might'a shooped him in there, but it wasn't me. :-)
 
2013-01-28 07:51:07 PM  
Oh this is horrible. Up until now it was perfectly safe to leave your kids in the care of a strange man of unknown sexual predilection dressed in a scout uniform.
 
2013-01-28 07:53:21 PM  
I don't remember any religion in my scouting outside the oath. But I grew up in wealthy suburbs full of educated people.

Still not sure why this is even an issue, aren't most scout leaders parents of scouts? When did we let homogays have kids?
 
2013-01-28 08:02:17 PM  

mark12A: Wow. Divide and conquer. Split BSA into gay/non gay factions and thus identify and bring enormous pressure onto the non-gay faction. The PC Brigade is relentless, I'll give them that.

If BSA folds, the Scouting Movement is over. Done.


Uh, just for your info, there are other countries in the world besides the U.S.
 
2013-01-28 08:05:01 PM  
And the resident FarkLibtards STILL are unhappy.
 
2013-01-28 08:11:21 PM  

Cythraul: This is the one you greenlight? Bah!

From the other thread: I wonder what kind of a social atmosphere that would create. So you're gay Scout Master John Doe, and you're trying to be a positive influence to kids in the BSA, all the while knowing the only reason they're tolerating your membership is because they want to keep their largest donors.


At the local level (where it really matters) most troops outside of the deep south and Utah won't have a problem with a gay scout leader so long as he's not actively pushing a gay agenda. At the end of the day we're trying to find people to help teach our sons to be responsible, caring adults who are a bit more prepared for life than your average person, politics be damned. Hell, at the summer camp I attended in rural Pennsylvania near the WV border the service was decidedly non-christian despite the fact that the chaplin was obviously of christian faith.
 
2013-01-28 08:13:06 PM  

snowjack: 12349876: snowjack: They put a black kid in their ad too.
Dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!


[imageshack.us image 450x340]

I'm trying to tell if that's shooped. The black kids shirt doesn't have any badges on it. Even if it isn't I'm guessing black kids are so rare they couldn't find one the same height as the others.

I shooped in "MORMON" over the word "SCOUT" 'cause that's what it was about when I was a kid (in the '80s) Someone else might'a shooped him in there, but it wasn't me. :-)


I didn't think it was you. I was thinking it was something the Mormons would do. Something akin to this.
www.chilloutpoint.com
 
2013-01-28 08:13:57 PM  

Martstar: [www.orgsites.com image 746x746]

That is all.


www.freeimagehosting.net

FTFY

 
2013-01-28 08:26:56 PM  
people shouldnt be worried of the boyscouts, they should be more concerned of effeminate english butlers
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They pray on the young with their enticing fun kits
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2013-01-28 08:30:48 PM  

Cythraul: This is the one you greenlight? Bah!

From the other thread: I wonder what kind of a social atmosphere that would create. So you're gay Scout Master John Doe, and you're trying to be a positive influence to kids in the BSA, all the while knowing the only reason they're tolerating your membership is because they want to keep their largest donors.


Because God and Jeebus can't print money on their own.
 
2013-01-28 08:31:31 PM  

InterruptingQuirk: Martstar: [www.orgsites.com image 746x746]

That is all.

[www.freeimagehosting.net image 746x746]FTFY


We Be Moslem Scouts?
 
2013-01-28 08:40:06 PM  

Well Armed Sheep: sleeper2995: Whatever happened to the idea of "If you don't like that group let's start our own group so we can be more inclusive then the original group."?

Will your New.organization receive.the same considerations from local and national gov't? Free, priority access to public spaces? A jamboree funded by the military? Automatic promotions for.members of a certain rank who join the military? When that happens, sure.


Yes because we will have multicultural organization that will cater to everyone's specific needs of exclusion and inclusion.
 
2013-01-28 08:56:22 PM  

God-is-a-Taco: They must be losing money


Yup. Their principles are strong up until the money runs out, then the revelation magically appears.

Douchebags.
 
2013-01-28 08:57:23 PM  

cynicalbastard: mark12A: Wow. Divide and conquer. Split BSA into gay/non gay factions and thus identify and bring enormous pressure onto the non-gay faction. The PC Brigade is relentless, I'll give them that.

If BSA folds, the Scouting Movement is over. Done.

Uh, just for your info, there are other countries in the world besides the U.S.


There's already Scouting for All.
 
2013-01-28 08:58:48 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: In other news, BSA is expected to announce several fabulous new merit badges


Showtunes.

Fab Abs.

Tweezing.

Golden Girl.
 
2013-01-28 09:03:36 PM  

ArgusRun: madgonad: Can anyone else hear the Mormon Church gathering up their bases, balls, and bats and going home?

Seriously - if this is the case, thousands of troops will cease to exist on the following day.

I don't think so. The LDS Church has recently softened it's stance on homosexuality. They are beginning to realize that:

A) This is not a passing fancy, the world is growing more tolerant of gay people and they will only be more marginalized if they continue to be hardliners
B) There are real, financial consequences to continuing to discriminate.
C) Gay people aren't so bad.

Plus, LDS has the doctrine, unique among other major monotheistic religions, of present day revelation. They have a prophet who can speak with the authority of God and overturn previous doctrine. It's not just a matter of reinterpreting scripture like other Christian sects, but new codified laws. The "revelations" ending polygamy and allowing black people into the priesthood may be obviously politically motivated, but they are also useful precedents.


I already have a number of excommunicated Mormons who are gay and are really emotionally farked up because their family and social networks shunned them.

What a way to share "god's love".

Two-faced Hypocrites©
 
2013-01-28 09:17:54 PM  
amquelbettamin:
Where does scoutmaster fit on this chart?

[Linnaean taxonomy of gays]


Until I looked closer I thought the "DILF" was wearing a Half-Life t-shirt and I was like, hey, it's the gay version of me.

/gay me seems better-looking somehow :P
 
2013-01-28 09:29:23 PM  
It's about time they make this official policy. Troops I had experience with growing up ignored the exclusionary policy anyway. In troops in three different states we had openly atheist members, including myself, an agnostic, and no one cared a whit. Though I honestly don't remember any openly gay members, I also don't remember any specific proscriptions against them in our troops.
 
2013-01-28 09:52:01 PM  
I dunno, it doesn't say they're banning discrimination, but that they're letting local chapters decide. Not really that much of an improvement.


rocketpants: madgonad: Can anyone else hear the Mormon Church gathering up their bases, balls, and bats and going home?

Seriously - if this is the case, thousands of troops will cease to exist on the following day.

[i.imgur.com image 300x200]


^^^ This. fark'em if they're too stupid to know the difference between Pedo's and gay men.
 
2013-01-28 10:12:02 PM  

mark12A: Wow. Divide and conquer. Split BSA into gay/non gay factions and thus identify and bring enormous pressure onto the non-gay faction. The PC Brigade is relentless, I'll give them that.

If BSA folds, the Scouting Movement is over. Done.


CRY MOAR
 
2013-01-28 10:49:37 PM  

Lord Dimwit: The BSA is a private organization and free to set its membership requirements as it sees fit. I fully support their right to be bigots, though I vehemently disagree.


That is the reasoning Chief Asshole Rehnquist applied in BSA v Dale, allowing him to stick it to the filthy homos after they'd won in New Jersey. Justice Stevens noted in his astonished dissent how utterly spurious Rehnquist's logic was:

The majority...finds that BSA in fact " `teach[es] that homosexual conduct is not morally straight.' " This conclusion, remarkably, rests entirely on statements in BSA's briefs. (citing Brief for Petitioners 39; Reply Brief for Petitioners 5)....So long as the record "contains written evidence" to support a group's bare assertion, "[w]e need not inquire further."...

This is an astounding view of the law. I am unaware of any previous instance in which our analysis of the scope of a constitutional right was determined by looking at what a litigant asserts in his or her brief and inquiring no further. It is even more astonishing in the First Amendment area, because, as the majority itself acknowledges, "we are obligated to independently review the factual record." It is an odd form of independent review that consists of deferring entirely to whatever a litigant claims....

More critically, that inquiry requires our independent analysis, rather than deference to a group's litigating posture....

Surely there are instances in which an organization that truly aims to foster a belief at odds with the purposes of a State's antidiscrimination laws will have a First Amendment right to association that precludes forced compliance with those laws. But that right is not a freedom to discriminate at will, nor is it a right to maintain an exclusionary membership policy simply out of fear of what the public reaction would be if the group's membership were opened up. It is an implicit right designed to protect the enumerated rights of the First Amendment, not a license to act on any discriminatory impulse.

...If this Court were to defer to whatever position an organization is prepared to assert in its briefs, there would be no way to mark the proper boundary between genuine exercises of the right to associate, on the one hand, and sham claims that are simply attempts to insulate nonexpressive private discrimination, on the other hand. Shielding a litigant's claim from judicial scrutiny would, in turn, render civil rights legislation a nullity, and turn this important constitutional right into a farce.


[internal citations omitted, emphasis mine]
 
2013-01-28 10:50:49 PM  

meat0918: Thisbymaster: The last thing I want for sons is to have predators around them on sleep overs. They say the same thing for girl scouts.

You know, I've heard stories from former members that indicated the older youths, not necessarily the troop leaders, were also culpable for serious abuses of members under the guise of hazing.

I'm wondering when those stories will get more national media attention, mostly because fear sells and people really don't like the Boy Scouts all that much anymore.


The last troop I was in during junior high had a bunch of high school sociopaths that hazed the hell out of the younger Scouts. One guy I remember was in retrospect working through some issues, as I remember him carving a stick into a wooden dildo and poking other kids in the butt with it.
 
2013-01-28 10:53:39 PM  

mark12A: Wow. Divide and conquer. Split BSA into gay/non gay factions and thus identify and bring enormous pressure onto the non-gay faction. The PC Brigade is relentless, I'll give them that.

If BSA folds, the Scouting Movement is over. Done.


"WAAAAHHHHHH, stop being intolerant of my intolerance! Let me discriminate against who I want to because my ancient created-and-messed-up-by-humans belief system tells me too! I believe everything about gay being the same as pedophile, all man-lovers only want little boy dick!"

Thank you for being Exhibit A in the retard pavilion. Please pick up your check, leave immediately, and never darken our doorstep again.
 
2013-01-28 11:02:26 PM  
The BSA has already explicitly foreclosed this option.

BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA FEBRUARY 6, 2002 RESOLUTION

1.WHEREAS, the Resolutions Committee of the Boy Scouts of America (on behalf of the
Executive Board of the Boy Scouts of America) on June 1, 2001, assigned the Relationships
Committee of the Boy Scouts of America with the responsibility for considering and making recommendations to the Executive Board with respect to various resolutions submitted by members of the National Council at the annual meeting concerning the appropriate flexibility to be employed by the Boy Scouts of America in establishing standards for leadership; and

2.WHEREAS, the Relationships Committee duly formed a Task Force on Resolutions, composed of a cross section of representatives from religious and civic chartered organizations and others represented in Scouting, to consider these resolutions and make recommendations to the Relationships Committee; and

3.WHEREAS, the Task Force has reported the results of its thoughtful and extensive deliberations to
the Relationships Committee, which submitted the report to the Relationships/Marketing Group Committee, both of these committees having approved and adopted the Report of the Task Force on Resolutions as their own; and

4.WHEREAS, the national officers, having received and considered the Report, unanimously
adopt the recommendations of the Report without reservation; and

5.WHEREAS, the national officers agree with the report that "duty to God is not a mere ideal for those
choosing to associate with the Boy Scouts of America; it is an obligation," which has defined good character for youth of Scouting age throughout Scouting's 92-year history and that the Boy Scouts of America has made a commitment "to provide faith-based values to its constituency in a respectful manner;" and

6.WHEREAS, the national officers agree that "conduct of both Scouts and Scouters must be in compliance with the Scout Oath and Law" and that "membership is contingent upon one's willingness to accept the values and standards espoused by the Boy Scouts of America," and

7.WHEREAS the national officers further agree that homosexual conduct is inconsistent with the
traditional values espoused in the Scout Oath and Law and that an avowed homosexual cannot
serve as a role model for the values of the Oath and Law; and


8.WHEREAS, the national officers reaffirm that, as a national organization whose very reason for existence is to instill and reinforce values in youth, the BSA's values cannot be subject to local option choices, but must be the same in every unit; and

9.WHEREAS, the Boy Scouts of America respects the right of persons and individuals to hold values
and standards different than the Boy Scouts of America, the national officers also agree that the Boy
Scouts of America is entitled to expect that persons and organizations with different values and standards will nevertheless respect those of the Boy Scouts of America;

10.THEREFORE, the national officers recommend the National Executive Board affirm that the Boy
Scouts of America shall continue to follow its traditional values and standards of leadership.
 
2013-01-28 11:06:14 PM  
biggeek assless chaps, cock rings, whips

"Assless chaps"? Meaning chaps that don't cover the ass? There's actually a name for those. They're called "chaps".
 
2013-01-29 12:00:20 AM  

semiotix: Smeggy Smurf: I'm fairly certain that one of my Scoutmasters was a peter puffer.

But that doesn't really go to his character. The real question, as regards his fitness to be a role model for young men, is this: was he the kind of guy who would fark a person in the ass and not even have the goddamn common courtesy to give him a reach-around?


Beats me about his character. We only cared that he's the one that taught us how to make napalm and to store it in small glass vials in case we needed a firestarter that would work in any weather.
 
2013-01-29 12:04:06 AM  
Mormons, Xtian Fundies and Catholics. When it comes to societal principles, in my opinion these groups need to be marginalized. Let their members feed and clothe all the poor they want to (without enforcing belief as a qualification for aid) if it makes 'em feel better, but they really don't need to be out and about during the daylight.

We get it. You've got a book that teaches you how to be better people. We can read that book, too - and skip over the parts that would teach us to be dicks to fellow humans.
 
2013-01-29 12:11:06 AM  

Cythraul: This is the one you greenlight? Bah!

From the other thread: I wonder what kind of a social atmosphere that would create. So you're gay Scout Master John Doe, and you're trying to be a positive influence to kids in the BSA, all the while knowing the only reason they're tolerating your membership is because they want to keep their largest donors.


Other way around, really. They lost the United Way, Bank of America, and countless other six and seven figure donors to keep the LDS happy. And now we have a generation of boys and girls who don't find anything wrong with someone having two dads or two moms and can't relate the BSA's homophobia. Basically, this is where a lot of us after the Dale case get to point at National Council and say "Yeah, we all told all y'all this would happen."
 
2013-01-29 12:24:10 AM  
A lesbian scout leader was ousted? Isn't that the safest person to have around young males?
 
2013-01-29 12:24:26 AM  

Teknowaffle: My troop let in gays, atheists, muslims, jews. We had some of everything in there, and if parents had a problem with it, they were told to send their kid to the shiatty troop across town.

I don't know how the BSA lets us do this, possibly because we were a troop of over 100, and that was a lot of dues or something.


TL;DR: There's about a brazillion:1 ratio when it comes to district staff, and district staff only handles an area of a few neighborhoods in a big city or a few towns in rural areas, ergo, National Council is pretty much kidding themselves if they think they have much control in practice beyond what color the cover on the next edition of the Boy Scout Handbook's going to be.

Because it's a hierarchical system, and your local council is probably more concerned with making sure units are getting the program right rather than alienating rank and file membership and/or the adults playing logistics for those units to placate some old farts in Irving (National Council) and/or Salt Lake City (the Mormons). It's also not like every unit has a district or council exec hovering over them 24/7; Cascade Pacific Council's pretty big but the CE/DE staff is like, six people, covering pretty much all of Oregon and parts of Washington State. Having a DE drop in on a meeting is darn near a once-in-a-decade experience and I've yet to see a CE outside a council office that I can recall.
 
2013-01-29 12:25:03 AM  

Lsherm: serial_crusher: Could be too little too late.  The problem isn't just the discriminatory policy against gheys, but the lack of any real democracy within the organization.  Fix that, then let the members vote on gay bans and religious requirements.

There's democracy within the organization but really only at the local level.  They do that on purpose, because if there had to be a nationwide vote on everything you'd end up with an organization as fractured as the US populace.


Pretty much already is that anyway.
 
2013-01-29 12:25:28 AM  

Lsherm: Teknowaffle: My troop let in gays, atheists, muslims, jews. We had some of everything in there, and if parents had a problem with it, they were told to send their kid to the shiatty troop across town.

I don't know how the BSA lets us do this, possibly because we were a troop of over 100, and that was a lot of dues or something.

Muslims and Jews are A-OK by the Boy Scouts.  Maybe the gays after next week.

The godless heathens are shiat out of luck.


Atheists are the new gays.
 
2013-01-29 12:35:24 AM  

Lsherm: Teknowaffle: My troop let in gays, atheists, muslims, jews. We had some of everything in there, and if parents had a problem with it, they were told to send their kid to the shiatty troop across town.

I don't know how the BSA lets us do this, possibly because we were a troop of over 100, and that was a lot of dues or something.

Muslims and Jews are A-OK by the Boy Scouts.  Maybe the gays after next week.

The godless heathens are shiat out of luck.


Not necessarily. Buddhists and people following various native american paths are included. The point of that isn't so much expression of any specific faith so much as you have faith in something and can solve a moral dilemma for yourself by it. Sean Penn makes a pretty compelling case for signing off on demonstrating Scout spirit the atheist way (basically, he says he rapes and kills all he wants to already because the amount of rape he wants is zero, and the amount of killing he wants to do is zero).
 
2013-01-29 12:37:03 AM  
I was in Boy Scouts as I grew up from Cubs to Explorers. Later, I became a Scout Master. I noticed several troops where the Scoutmasters let little thugs intimidate the weaker scouts, creating an unhappy troop and Scoutmasters who were really by the book.

Some were not so good, but at least they tried when no one else would.

I don't have a problem with gay kids entering Scouts. I do figure there is potential for some problems down the way, which will be blown out of proportion by the press, kind of like if you mixed a troop of Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts.

Older scouts are starting to enter puberty. On mixed camps, where Boy Scouts were at one end of a big camp ground and Girl Scouts at the other, we had the inevitable groups sneaking off at night to see what they could see about the opposite sex.

Gays are basically already in with the 'opposite sex' and no doubt they'll be attracted to some of the kids. Hopefully, Scoutmasters will enforce new rules forbidding any form of sexual contact. All it has to do is happen once and the lawsuits will explode.

I grew up through segregation. I was there during the battle for Equal Rights. I was in school when the schools started becoming desegregated. I recall the assorted names used for Black people and the hostilities.

I also started the first, and, as far as I know, only mixed race Boy Scout Troop in my town and met with no resistance from anyone. I actually found I got more help from the Black parents than the White. I did loose a handful of white kids, but not many.

I did not find the Black and White kids clumping together, separated by race. Everyone shared tents, cooking gear, looked out for each other and I made it real clear that racial slurs were not acceptable.

It was a GREAT troop. I often think back fondly about them.
So, I have no problem with homosexuals joining Scouts. Besides, thanks to our society becoming the most litigious in the world, Boy Scouts are now under major restrictions.

Like they can't carry the sheath knives, belt axes or machetes we used to carry on campouts. Adult women now usually accompany the kids when camping, apparently to cut down on the chances of adult male guides being pervs. The Great Fireplace in a decades old camping pavilion in a Scout Camp, around which thousands of kids had a great time, was torn down due to insurance regulations over the possibility that it might be a fire hazard and no new one is allowed.

Plus, many Scouts now can't gather firewood for campfires. They use charcoal, gas stoves and things like that. The reason? It's bad for the ecology. Trees should not be cut down. Kids might get cut using axes to chop the wood. Fires might get out of control. Kids might get burnt. They might run into poison ivy in the woods, biting insects or snakes while picking up dead wood.

All of that means potential lawsuits.

So, with the current changes, which I disagree with, the kids will be watched more than ever before.

So, I'm glad the Scouts have chosen to accept Gays. Kids are kids and the Scouts is a great organization. Some of the best times of my life as a kid was in Scouts.

I was proud to be a Scoutmaster. I was proud of 'my kids', black and white.
 
2013-01-29 01:00:34 AM  

Tridentata: You can be a Boy Scout in good standing and believe in one God named Yahweh, or in the 33 gods of the Hindu Vedas. Or in Thor and Woden; or in a god who set the universe in motion but hasn't touched it since. You can be "spiritual but not religious" and have vague warm feelings that there's probably some fuzzy warm creature out there who cares about you, and be a Boy Scout in good standing. You can be a Buddhist and not actually believe in a personal God and still be a Boy Scout in good standing because, well, let's just say theology is not the BSA's strong point. You can believe in a God who considers death by bear mauling to be an appropriate punishment for children who tease an old man about his baldness, and be a Boy Scout in good standing.

You cannot say "I'm honestly not sure if God exists" and be a Boy Scout in good standing.

You cannot say "I do not believe in the existence of an omnipotent supernatural being" and be a Boy Scout in good standing. Even if you avoid torturing kittens and routinely help little old ladies across the street.

Let me know when that situation changes, BSA, before you expect me to be impressed.


Ask an Indian boy following his tribe's medicine. Strong odds "god" gets replaced with "the spirits" or "the earth" or whatever personification for either that family believes in gets substituted in without so much as anyone thinking strangely of it.
 
2013-01-29 01:05:17 AM  

Lord Dimwit: The BSA is a private organization


Despite the Dale ruling, there's a 1914 congressional charter still in effect stating otherwise.
 
2013-01-29 01:25:01 AM  

meat0918: I live in the city now, and in one of the most secular states (Oregon). It seems to have concentrated the religiosity into a more aggressive form though.


I gotta wonder if the Census didn't get seriously gamed in Oregon. I grew up in Oregon, but I switched to Oklahoma and found this place to be way more tolerant and understanding on a bad day than Portland is on a good one. Could have something to do with this being where the US has been throwing people they didn't want away for the last 150 years, whereas it was actually illegal under the state constitution in Oregon to be anything other than white until 1927...
 
2013-01-29 01:30:39 AM  

BronyMedic: The DERP on my local newspaper's facebook page about this is hilarious. There are people threatening to take their kids out of the local scout troop because they don't want them molested by gay men and teens.


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/and by your, I mean their...
 
2013-01-29 01:35:13 AM  

Terrydatroll: SpiderQueenDemon: Thisbymaster: The last thing I want for sons is to have predators around them on sleep overs. They say the same thing for girl scouts.

You've never seen a fiercer pedophile-hunter than an out, proud gay man and his husband. The derp that 'gay = pederast' is like that minority's version of 'blacks will rape white women' or 'Jews use the blood of Christian babies in ceremonies.' They hate it, and to that end they are much, much tougher on pedophiles than mere straight people. And some gay people own guns and are proud 'shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out' conservatives whose response to finding kiddie porn will not so much be calling the cops to arrest the perp as the coroner to clean up the mess.

I can't see this as anything but a good idea.

While this may be true, you will have never seen a fiercer child hunter than a homosexual pedophile scout leader in the woods with a bunch of young impressionable boys.


0/10...obvious troll is obvious. But, statistically speaking, and I'm sure the records the courts opened will back me up on this, the folks you talk about typically have a wife and kids. No joke.
 
2013-01-29 01:39:26 AM  

robodog: At the local level (where it really matters) most troops outside of the deep south and Utah won't have a problem with a gay scout leader so long as he's not actively pushing a gaysexual agenda.


Fixed it. Straight or gay, if you're joining for the sex, you're doing it wrong™.
 
2013-01-29 01:51:48 AM  

PanicMan: Smith said a change in the policy toward atheists was not being considered, and that the BSA continued to view "Duty to God" as one of its basic principles.


I am so glad the Australian Scout Association has absolutely no connection with the one in the USoA - being gay or atheist never even enters the equation.
 
2013-01-29 01:54:19 AM  

Rik01: I do figure there is potential for some problems down the way, which will be blown out of proportion by the press, kind of like if you mixed a troop of Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts.


When was the last time there was a scandal with Scouts Canada? Because that's how they roll already.
 
2013-01-29 02:04:58 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Mormons, Xtian Fundies and Catholics. When it comes to societal principles, in my opinion these groups need to be marginalized. Let their members feed and clothe all the poor they want to (without enforcing belief as a qualification for aid) if it makes 'em feel better, but they really don't need to be out and about during the daylight.

We get it. You've got a book that teaches you how to be better people. We can read that book, too - and skip over the parts that would teach us to be dicks to fellow humans.


Sometimes I want to become a Christian just to show them how to actually do as Jesus taught.
 
2013-01-29 02:05:08 AM  

Langdon_777: PanicMan: Smith said a change in the policy toward atheists was not being considered, and that the BSA continued to view "Duty to God" as one of its basic principles.

I am so glad the Australian Scout Association has absolutely no connection with the one in the USoA - being gay or atheist never even enters the equation.


Actually, they do. World Organisation for the Scouting Movement. It's why the ASA and BSA both have this as common insignia:

www.bsa150.com

Wouldn't surprise me if WOSM isn't at minimum the least bit frustrated with the BSA getting tangled up in these distractions on religion and orientation when there's Scouting to be done.
 
2013-01-29 02:06:36 AM  

Rik01: I was in Boy Scouts as I grew up from Cubs to Explorers. Later, I became a Scout Master. I noticed several troops where the Scoutmasters let little thugs intimidate the weaker scouts, creating an unhappy troop and Scoutmasters who were really by the book.

Some were not so good, but at least they tried when no one else would.

I don't have a problem with gay kids entering Scouts. I do figure there is potential for some problems down the way, which will be blown out of proportion by the press, kind of like if you mixed a troop of Girl Scouts and Boy Scouts.

Older scouts are starting to enter puberty. On mixed camps, where Boy Scouts were at one end of a big camp ground and Girl Scouts at the other, we had the inevitable groups sneaking off at night to see what they could see about the opposite sex.

Gays are basically already in with the 'opposite sex' and no doubt they'll be attracted to some of the kids. Hopefully, Scoutmasters will enforce new rules forbidding any form of sexual contact. All it has to do is happen once and the lawsuits will explode.

I grew up through segregation. I was there during the battle for Equal Rights. I was in school when the schools started becoming desegregated. I recall the assorted names used for Black people and the hostilities.

I also started the first, and, as far as I know, only mixed race Boy Scout Troop in my town and met with no resistance from anyone. I actually found I got more help from the Black parents than the White. I did loose a handful of white kids, but not many.

I did not find the Black and White kids clumping together, separated by race. Everyone shared tents, cooking gear, looked out for each other and I made it real clear that racial slurs were not acceptable.

It was a GREAT troop. I often think back fondly about them.
So, I have no problem with homosexuals joining Scouts. Besides, thanks to our society becoming the most litigious in the world, Boy Scouts are now under major restrictions.

Like they can't car ...


Hehe yeah - when I look back on my scouting days I am surprised no one died. We were daring and the world is not a safe place, some of the things we got up too or had forced upon us because we were outback. It was a group that taught self reliance in wild situations (and yes once we got to Venturers where we had both sexes, then lots of virginities were lost.) Sadly I drove past my old Venturer hall the other day and it was closed - I guess we don't wish to challenge our kids anymore, better to be safe than sorry (LOL).

If you get to 18 years of age without having had at least one broken bone, then you really have not been challenged ever and are going to prove to be pretty mediocre in the big bad world.
 
2013-01-29 02:31:03 AM  

sleeper2995: Whatever happened to the idea of "If you don't like that group let's start our own group so we can be more inclusive then the original group."?


The issue is not about having the right / ability to start a new group.

The issue is about eliminating discrimination.
 
2013-01-29 02:34:00 AM  
Ironic.

/well, sort of
 
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