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2013-01-28 05:53:38 PM  
I'm fairly certain that one of my Scoutmasters was a peter puffer. It didn't matter since he would have been one of the first to eviscerate any molester.

/military troops FTW
//can't beat having Navy SEALs as scoutmasters
 
2013-01-28 05:53:40 PM  
"the chartered organizations that oversee and deliver Scouting would accept membership and select leaders consistent with each organization's mission, principles, or religious beliefs."

Well, it's a start, I guess.

Still think the Boy Scouts are gross (not the individual scouts, of course, just the organization). Girl Scouts was amazingly important to me as a kid and I always assumed the Boy Scouts was just the same. I was shocked to learn what a bunch of assholes it was run by.
 
2013-01-28 05:57:41 PM  
Brokeback Scouting?
 
2013-01-28 05:58:51 PM  
You can be a Boy Scout in good standing and believe in one God named Yahweh, or in the 33 gods of the Hindu Vedas. Or in Thor and Woden; or in a god who set the universe in motion but hasn't touched it since. You can be "spiritual but not religious" and have vague warm feelings that there's probably some fuzzy warm creature out there who cares about you, and be a Boy Scout in good standing. You can be a Buddhist and not actually believe in a personal God and still be a Boy Scout in good standing because, well, let's just say theology is not the BSA's strong point. You can believe in a God who considers death by bear mauling to be an appropriate punishment for children who tease an old man about his baldness, and be a Boy Scout in good standing.

You cannot say "I'm honestly not sure if God exists" and be a Boy Scout in good standing.

You cannot say "I do not believe in the existence of an omnipotent supernatural being" and be a Boy Scout in good standing. Even if you avoid torturing kittens and routinely help little old ladies across the street.

Let me know when that situation changes, BSA, before you expect me to be impressed.
 
2013-01-28 06:00:04 PM  

LaraAmber: That's nice. My son will still be doing 4-H.


I'd get my kids involved, but I remember it was pretty religious backed growing up, at least in rural Michigan.
 
2013-01-28 06:01:24 PM  

Cythraul: This is the one you greenlight? Bah!

From the other thread: I wonder what kind of a social atmosphere that would create. So you're gay Scout Master John Doe, and you're trying to be a positive influence to kids in the BSA, all the while knowing the only reason they're tolerating your membership is because they want to keep their largest donors.


So the BSA is gay for pay. Seems more like a business and not an organization.
 
2013-01-28 06:02:03 PM  

Tridentata: You can be a Boy Scout in good standing and believe in one God named Yahweh, or in the 33 gods of the Hindu Vedas. Or in Thor and Woden; or in a god who set the universe in motion but hasn't touched it since. You can be "spiritual but not religious" and have vague warm feelings that there's probably some fuzzy warm creature out there who cares about you, and be a Boy Scout in good standing. You can be a Buddhist and not actually believe in a personal God and still be a Boy Scout in good standing because, well, let's just say theology is not the BSA's strong point. You can believe in a God who considers death by bear mauling to be an appropriate punishment for children who tease an old man about his baldness, and be a Boy Scout in good standing.

You cannot say "I'm honestly not sure if God exists" and be a Boy Scout in good standing.

You cannot say "I do not believe in the existence of an omnipotent supernatural being" and be a Boy Scout in good standing. Even if you avoid torturing kittens and routinely help little old ladies across the street.

Let me know when that situation changes, BSA, before you expect me to be impressed.


I don't remember all that much of a religious background to scouts honestly. Probably because our sponsor was a VFW hall. And my memory from 17 years ago isn't the greatest.
 
2013-01-28 06:05:06 PM  
Whatever happened to the idea of "If you don't like that group let's start our own group so we can be more inclusive then the original group."?
 
2013-01-28 06:06:22 PM  
See y'all at next year's Jamboree.  I'll be in my bunk.
 
2013-01-28 06:06:33 PM  
Catholic?
 
2013-01-28 06:08:56 PM  

Thisbymaster: The last thing I want for sons is to have predators around them on sleep overs. They say the same thing for girl scouts.


Here is one thing I don't understand about the whole controversy. Why are you (the general you, not Thisbymaster specifically) leaving your kids alone with ANY adult you don't know really well? When I was in competitive dance as a kid and we traveled to other towns there were always several parents in attendance, not just one. I don't think my parents ever left me somewhere where there weren't multiple other parents keeping an eye on the kids.
 
2013-01-28 06:09:57 PM  

meat0918: LaraAmber: That's nice. My son will still be doing 4-H.

I'd get my kids involved, but I remember it was pretty religious backed growing up, at least in rural Michigan.


4H is run by rural people. Rural people tend to be church going. It comes with the territory. The upside is you aren't going to have a bunch of worthless shiat stains who are there just to fark things up for others.
 
2013-01-28 06:11:21 PM  
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2013-01-28 06:15:24 PM  

Thisbymaster: The last thing I want for sons is to have predators around them on sleep overs. They say the same thing for girl scouts.


You know, I've heard stories from former members that indicated the older youths, not necessarily the troop leaders, were also culpable for serious abuses of members under the guise of hazing.

I'm wondering when those stories will get more national media attention, mostly because fear sells and people really don't like the Boy Scouts all that much anymore.
 
2013-01-28 06:16:27 PM  
They're just trying to be good role model for young men. They're saying to young men...

"See? You don't need to have principles and the courage to stand by them. You can be mealy mouthed and say "Don't look at me, ask him what think".

Deferring the policy to local units is even worse than having a bigoted national policy.
 
2013-01-28 06:17:11 PM  
RAINBOW COUNCIL illinois, represent

/it was fabulous
//they really need to get past this sex/religion barrier
 
2013-01-28 06:18:47 PM  
My scouting years led to my sense of entitlement as a baby boomer. Our scout master would give us a test fro a bronze badge and then give us the gold. I had my gold chain in my second year.

Is there a defined pension for ex-scouts?
 
2013-01-28 06:19:12 PM  

sleeper2995:

So the BSA is gay for pay. Seems more like a business and not an organization.


All religious groups are ______for pay. (Fill in the blank). It's their Raison d'être.
 
2013-01-28 06:20:16 PM  

sleeper2995: Whatever happened to the idea of "If you don't like that group let's start our own group so we can be more inclusive then the original group."?


Will your New.organization receive.the same considerations from local and national gov't? Free, priority access to public spaces? A jamboree funded by the military? Automatic promotions for.members of a certain rank who join the military? When that happens, sure.
 
2013-01-28 06:21:05 PM  
The BSA is a private organization and free to set its membership requirements as it sees fit. I fully support their right to be bigots, though I vehemently disagree.

That being said, your sexual orientation has absolutely no bearing on your ability to be a good member of your community. Same with the belief or disbelief in a supreme being, though that requirement's going to take longer to remove, I bet.
 
2013-01-28 06:21:26 PM  
more precisely, neckerchief. handkerchief's gayer sibling.
 
2013-01-28 06:22:37 PM  
Sorry bout the periods. Darn mobile keypad.
 
2013-01-28 06:24:03 PM  

meat0918: LaraAmber: That's nice. My son will still be doing 4-H.

I'd get my kids involved, but I remember it was pretty religious backed growing up, at least in rural Michigan.


Here was your first problem.

O...H...
 
2013-01-28 06:26:40 PM  

madgonad: Can anyone else hear the Mormon Church gathering up their bases, balls, and bats and going home?

Seriously - if this is the case, thousands of troops will cease to exist on the following day.


I don't think so. The LDS Church has recently softened it's stance on homosexuality. They are beginning to realize that:

A) This is not a passing fancy, the world is growing more tolerant of gay people and they will only be more marginalized if they continue to be hardliners
B) There are real, financial consequences to continuing to discriminate.
C) Gay people aren't so bad.

Plus, LDS has the doctrine, unique among other major monotheistic religions, of present day revelation. They have a prophet who can speak with the authority of God and overturn previous doctrine. It's not just a matter of reinterpreting scripture like other Christian sects, but new codified laws. The "revelations" ending polygamy and allowing black people into the priesthood may be obviously politically motivated, but they are also useful precedents.
 
2013-01-28 06:28:15 PM  
I am having some wicked flashbacks of intoning the word Reverant in a deadpan voice right now. Woah where did that come from?!
 
2013-01-28 06:29:46 PM  
Leatherwork merit badge requirements


Identify and demonstrate to your counselor the safe use of leatherworking tools. Show correct procedures for handling leathercraft dyes, cements, and finished. Know first aid for cuts, internal poisoning, and skin irritation.
Explain to your counselor

a. Where leather comes from
b. What kinds of hides are used to make leather
c. What are five types of leather
d. What are the best uses for each type of leather

Make one or more articles of leather that use at least five of the following steps:

a. Pattern layout and transfer
b. Cutting leather
c. Punching holes
d. Carving or stamping surface designs.
e. Applying dye or stain and finish to the project.
f. Assembly by lacing or stitching
g. Setting snaps and rivets
h. Dressing edges

Recondition or show that you can take proper care of your shoes, a baseball glove, a saddle, assless chaps, cock rings, whips, furniture or other articles of leather.
Do ONE of the following:

a. Learn about the commercial tanning process. Report about it to your merit badge counselor.
b. Tan the skin of a small animal. Describe the safety precautions you will take and the tanning method that you used.
c. Braid or plait an article out of leather or vinyl lace.
d. Visit a leather-related business. This could be a leathercraft supply company, a tannery, a leather goods or shoe factory, a saddle shop, or any bar named "The Eagle". Report on your visit to your counselor.
 
2013-01-28 06:31:21 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hanky code thread?

/Remember, leave the yellow or brown handkerchiefs at home, or you'll wind up pissed and have a shiatty time.


It's the red neckerchiefs that REALLY bother me.
 
2013-01-28 06:32:27 PM  

ArgusRun: madgonad: Can anyone else hear the Mormon Church gathering up their bases, balls, and bats and going home?

Seriously - if this is the case, thousands of troops will cease to exist on the following day.

I don't think so. The LDS Church has recently softened it's stance on homosexuality. They are beginning to realize that:

A) This is not a passing fancy, the world is growing more tolerant of gay people and they will only be more marginalized if they continue to be hardliners
B) There are real, financial consequences to continuing to discriminate.
C) Gay people aren't so bad.

Plus, LDS has the doctrine, unique among other major monotheistic religions, of present day revelation. They have a prophet who can speak with the authority of God and overturn previous doctrine. It's not just a matter of reinterpreting scripture like other Christian sects, but new codified laws. The "revelations" ending polygamy and allowing black people into the priesthood may be obviously politically motivated, but they are also useful precedents.


You'd think God wouldn't change His mind so much, but yeah. Honestly, LDS theology is radically different from just about every other major religion. Even calling it monotheistic could be debated...

That being said, I'm glad to see they're moving in that direction. The LDS church is a powerful force for good in the world, though the vast majority of Saints somehow seem to equate "good" with "voting Republican" even though doctrinally they don't agree with a large swath of what the Republican Party espouses. What's more interesting is that a huge portion of the Religious Right, which makes up the Republican base, didn't generally consider the LDS churches Christian until it became politically expedient.

(Not that I'm Mormon or even religious. I just like to study religion. I have nothing against the LDS church (churches, really, since there are active schismatics).)
 
2013-01-28 06:35:09 PM  

Lord Dimwit: The BSA is a private organization and free to set its membership requirements as it sees fit. I fully support their right to be bigots, though I vehemently disagree.


Just as long as you're OK with them losing their sweetheart deals with the military, the Federal, State and local governments, front-of-the-line access to public lands and so on.
 
2013-01-28 06:37:34 PM  

anuran: It's the red neckerchiefs that REALLY bother me.


No kidding.  Everyone knows that red is the color of pure communism.
 
2013-01-28 06:42:15 PM  
Where does scoutmaster fit on this chart?

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2013-01-28 06:42:15 PM  

LaraAmber: meat0918: LaraAmber: That's nice. My son will still be doing 4-H.

I'd get my kids involved, but I remember it was pretty religious backed growing up, at least in rural Michigan.

Here was your first problem.

O...H...


Oh I know.

I live in the city now, and in one of the most secular states (Oregon). It seems to have concentrated the religiosity into a more aggressive form though.

We have a 4-H club in Eugene though.
 
2013-01-28 06:42:46 PM  
Well, I hope they do. Then maybe, I'd trust them around kids more. I don't know why, but for some reason it seems like the more homophobic an organization is, the more likely its members are to molest children.
 
2013-01-28 06:49:10 PM  
As a former scout, and a cub and boy scout father(and assistant den leader, wife is the leader), I say good.

/atheist
 
2013-01-28 06:52:37 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: RexTalionis: They're considering it. They haven't done it yet. Until they actually decide, this is not a story.

I don't think the BSA would make an official announcement now if the change wasn't pretty sure to pass.  Next week's meeting will just formalize what's already been decided.


Even if it doesn't pass, the mere fact that they're considering it alone is a sign of progress.

The times, they are a-changin'
 
2013-01-28 06:53:47 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: Well, clearly this will lead the way to the new Scout motto - 'Be Pre-beared'

[www.freewebs.com image 533x558]


I'm waiting for the new Scout handbook, What to do if you Encounter Bears in the Wild.
 
2013-01-28 06:55:35 PM  
The DERP on my local newspaper's facebook page about this is hilarious. There are people threatening to take their kids out of the local scout troop because they don't want them molested by gay men and teens.
 
2013-01-28 06:58:02 PM  

ArgusRun: madgonad: Can anyone else hear the Mormon Church gathering up their bases, balls, and bats and going home?

Seriously - if this is the case, thousands of troops will cease to exist on the following day.

I don't think so. The LDS Church has recently softened it's stance on homosexuality. They are beginning to realize that:

A) This is not a passing fancy, the world is growing more tolerant of gay people and they will only be more marginalized if they continue to be hardliners
B) There are real, financial consequences to continuing to discriminate.
C) Gay people aren't so bad.

Plus, LDS has the doctrine, unique among other major monotheistic religions, of present day revelation. They have a prophet who can speak with the authority of God and overturn previous doctrine. It's not just a matter of reinterpreting scripture like other Christian sects, but new codified laws. The "revelations" ending polygamy and allowing black people into the priesthood may be obviously politically motivated, but they are also useful precedents.


Ding ding ding!!!


The LDS and their recent change is directly correlated to the Scouts new stance.
 
2013-01-28 07:00:05 PM  

truthseeker2083: I_Am_Weasel: Well, clearly this will lead the way to the new Scout motto - 'Be Pre-beared'

I read that and Scar singing in the Lion King popped into my head. Hhhmmmm


You too?

/great minds and all
 
2013-01-28 07:04:46 PM  
Oh, I thought this was going to be about Hooters.
 
2013-01-28 07:12:51 PM  
This makes sense. Scouts are supposed to be preparing kids for the military. Gays are allowed now. Best to keep up if they don't fancy obsolescence.
 
2013-01-28 07:14:29 PM  

Thisbymaster: The last thing I want for sons is to have predators around them on sleep overs. They say the same thing for girl scouts.


You've never seen a fiercer pedophile-hunter than an out, proud gay man and his husband. The derp that 'gay = pederast' is like that minority's version of 'blacks will rape white women' or 'Jews use the blood of Christian babies in ceremonies.' They hate it, and to that end they are much, much tougher on pedophiles than mere straight people. And some gay people own guns and are proud 'shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out' conservatives whose response to finding kiddie porn will not so much be calling the cops to arrest the perp as the coroner to clean up the mess.

I can't see this as anything but a good idea.
 
2013-01-28 07:20:22 PM  
Great, Another fine organization gives in to the perversion. "OK boys and girl wannabe's, time for another funnnn camp out with old Jerry. Just think, had they done this 10 years ago Sandusky wouldn't have had to waste all his effort in those showers at Penn State.
 
2013-01-28 07:23:02 PM  

SpiderQueenDemon: Thisbymaster: The last thing I want for sons is to have predators around them on sleep overs. They say the same thing for girl scouts.

You've never seen a fiercer pedophile-hunter than an out, proud gay man and his husband. The derp that 'gay = pederast' is like that minority's version of 'blacks will rape white women' or 'Jews use the blood of Christian babies in ceremonies.' They hate it, and to that end they are much, much tougher on pedophiles than mere straight people. And some gay people own guns and are proud 'shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out' conservatives whose response to finding kiddie porn will not so much be calling the cops to arrest the perp as the coroner to clean up the mess.

I can't see this as anything but a good idea.


While this may be true, you will have never seen a fiercer child hunter than a homosexual pedophile scout leader in the woods with a bunch of young impressionable boys.
 
2013-01-28 07:30:24 PM  

Terrydatroll: SpiderQueenDemon: Thisbymaster: The last thing I want for sons is to have predators around them on sleep overs. They say the same thing for girl scouts.

You've never seen a fiercer pedophile-hunter than an out, proud gay man and his husband. The derp that 'gay = pederast' is like that minority's version of 'blacks will rape white women' or 'Jews use the blood of Christian babies in ceremonies.' They hate it, and to that end they are much, much tougher on pedophiles than mere straight people. And some gay people own guns and are proud 'shoot 'em all and let God sort 'em out' conservatives whose response to finding kiddie porn will not so much be calling the cops to arrest the perp as the coroner to clean up the mess.

I can't see this as anything but a good idea.

While this may be true, you will have never seen a fiercer child hunter than a homosexual pedophile scout leader in the woods with a bunch of young impressionable boys.


False.  Catholic priests and altar boys will still exist.
 
2013-01-28 07:30:42 PM  

Terrydatroll: While this may be true, you will have never seen a fiercer child hunter than a homosexual pedophile scout leader in the woods with a bunch of young impressionable boys.


And they're perfectly capable of acting straight in order to get that access. Just ask your previously mentioned Jerry Sandusky.
 
2013-01-28 07:30:49 PM  

Thisbymaster: The last thing I want for sons is to have predators around them on sleep overs. They say the same thing for girl scouts.


Not sure if serious.
 
2013-01-28 07:31:11 PM  
They put a black kid in their ad too.
Dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!


imageshack.us
 
2013-01-28 07:34:37 PM  

snowjack: They put a black kid in their ad too.
Dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!


[imageshack.us image 450x340]


I'm trying to tell if that's shooped. The black kids shirt doesn't have any badges on it. Even if it isn't I'm guessing black kids are so rare they couldn't find one the same height as the others.
 
2013-01-28 07:37:50 PM  

anuran: FirstNationalBastard: Hanky code thread?

/Remember, leave the yellow or brown handkerchiefs at home, or you'll wind up pissed and have a shiatty time.

It's the red neckerchiefs that REALLY bother me.


I'm from Mississippi and i could not agree more
 
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