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2013-01-28 03:28:26 PM
Hanky code thread?

/Remember, leave the yellow or brown handkerchiefs at home, or you'll wind up pissed and have a shiatty time.
 
2013-01-28 03:34:32 PM
Boy Scouts Reconsider Stance on Gay Members

their stance wasn't wide enough to receive those members
 
2013-01-28 03:35:00 PM
That reminds me, I haven't been the the Eagle in a while.
 
2013-01-28 03:40:19 PM
This is the one you greenlight? Bah!

From the other thread: I wonder what kind of a social atmosphere that would create. So you're gay Scout Master John Doe, and you're trying to be a positive influence to kids in the BSA, all the while knowing the only reason they're tolerating your membership is because they want to keep their largest donors.
 
2013-01-28 03:40:38 PM
They're considering it. They haven't done it yet. Until they actually decide, this is not a story.
 
2013-01-28 03:43:18 PM

vernonFL: That reminds me, I haven't been the the Eagle in a while.


I'll be at Otter Crossing.
 
2013-01-28 03:54:37 PM

RexTalionis: They're considering it. They haven't done it yet. Until they actually decide, this is not a story.


I don't think the BSA would make an official announcement now if the change wasn't pretty sure to pass.  Next week's meeting will just formalize what's already been decided.
 
2013-01-28 03:55:15 PM
We're here at Cub Scout troop 234's meeting where we secretly replaced the fine usual crypto-fascist reward system they usually serve in their Cub Scout Guide to Awards and Insigniabooks with The Leatherman's Handbook.

Let's see if anyone can tell the difference!

- brap recycles
 
2013-01-28 04:03:41 PM
Could be too little too late.  The problem isn't just the discriminatory policy against gheys, but the lack of any real democracy within the organization.  Fix that, then let the members vote on gay bans and religious requirements.
 
2013-01-28 04:06:54 PM
Well, clearly this will lead the way to the new Scout motto - 'Be Pre-beared'

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2013-01-28 04:11:01 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Well, clearly this will lead the way to the new Scout motto - 'Be Pre-beared'

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2013-01-28 04:24:40 PM
My troop let in gays, atheists, muslims, jews. We had some of everything in there, and if parents had a problem with it, they were told to send their kid to the shiatty troop across town.

I don't know how the BSA lets us do this, possibly because we were a troop of over 100, and that was a lot of dues or something.
 
2013-01-28 04:25:20 PM
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2013-01-28 04:28:25 PM
In other news, BSA is expected to announce several fabulous new merit badges
 
2013-01-28 04:35:05 PM

serial_crusher: Could be too little too late.  The problem isn't just the discriminatory policy against gheys, but the lack of any real democracy within the organization.  Fix that, then let the members vote on gay bans and religious requirements.


There's democracy within the organization but really only at the local level.  They do that on purpose, because if there had to be a nationwide vote on everything you'd end up with an organization as fractured as the US populace.
 
2013-01-28 04:36:20 PM

Teknowaffle: My troop let in gays, atheists, muslims, jews. We had some of everything in there, and if parents had a problem with it, they were told to send their kid to the shiatty troop across town.

I don't know how the BSA lets us do this, possibly because we were a troop of over 100, and that was a lot of dues or something.


Muslims and Jews are A-OK by the Boy Scouts.  Maybe the gays after next week.

The godless heathens are shiat out of luck.
 
2013-01-28 04:37:28 PM

Cythraul: From the other thread: I wonder what kind of a social atmosphere that would create


Teknowaffle: My troop let in gays, atheists, muslims, jews. We had some of everything in there, and if parents had a problem with it, they were told to send their kid to the shiatty troop across town.


You'll probably end up with a varying mix of tolerant and non tolerant troops. If you don't like one, go find another, just as in Teknowaffle's example.
 
2013-01-28 04:42:30 PM

Teknowaffle: My troop let in gays, atheists, muslims, jews. We had some of everything in there, and if parents had a problem with it, they were told to send their kid to the shiatty troop across town.

I don't know how the BSA lets us do this, possibly because we were a troop of over 100, and that was a lot of dues or something.


The reality is that it requires a shiathead on the committee in order to exclude people based on religion or sexual orientation.  If the troop or pack lacks such a shiathead, then it's pretty much moot.
 
2013-01-28 04:58:00 PM

Cythraul: I wonder what kind of a social atmosphere that would create. So you're gay Scout Master John Doe, and you're trying to be a positive influence to kids in the BSA, all the while knowing the only reason they're tolerating your membership is because they want to keep their largest donors.


I think that anyone that would be in that situation would be more worried about shaping the next generation of leaders than upset about the assholes that are in charge today.

But it's something we've been through with women and African-Americans and all kind of once-excluded minorities. I have great respect for anyone willing to put up with the crap that comes with being an unwelcome member of an organization. Which makes me think: if they do change the rules, a (mostly) straight guy like me would have a role in being a scout leader and helping make it a welcoming organization for everyone.

Then again, they still have a problem with atheists, don't they?
 
2013-01-28 04:59:42 PM

Krieghund: Cythraul: I wonder what kind of a social atmosphere that would create. So you're gay Scout Master John Doe, and you're trying to be a positive influence to kids in the BSA, all the while knowing the only reason they're tolerating your membership is because they want to keep their largest donors.

I think that anyone that would be in that situation would be more worried about shaping the next generation of leaders than upset about the assholes that are in charge today.

But it's something we've been through with women and African-Americans and all kind of once-excluded minorities. I have great respect for anyone willing to put up with the crap that comes with being an unwelcome member of an organization. Which makes me think: if they do change the rules, a (mostly) straight guy like me would have a role in being a scout leader and helping make it a welcoming organization for everyone.

Then again, they still have a problem with atheists, don't they?


Child molesters: OK
Atheists: No way

/godless heathen bastards have no place in a free Christian country
 
2013-01-28 05:25:19 PM
So.... The fox is going to be in charge of the chicken coop.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
2013-01-28 05:26:25 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Well, clearly this will lead the way to the new Scout motto - 'Be Pre-beared'


Well im pretty sure most gheys that would want into scouting would be more likely to be bears than fairy twinks.
 
2013-01-28 05:27:38 PM
Can anyone else hear the Mormon Church gathering up their bases, balls, and bats and going home?

Seriously - if this is the case, thousands of troops will cease to exist on the following day.
 
2013-01-28 05:30:46 PM
They must be losing money
 
2013-01-28 05:31:39 PM
That's nice. My son will still be doing 4-H.
 
2013-01-28 05:31:40 PM
For an organization that prides itself on developing leadership skills, they're doing an amazing job displaying none.
 
2013-01-28 05:33:03 PM

Dinjiin: Cythraul: From the other thread: I wonder what kind of a social atmosphere that would create

Teknowaffle: My troop let in gays, atheists, muslims, jews. We had some of everything in there, and if parents had a problem with it, they were told to send their kid to the shiatty troop across town.

You'll probably end up with a varying mix of tolerant and non tolerant troops. If you don't like one, go find another, just as in Teknowaffle's example.


THIS. The first troop I was in was run by a chain smoker who had a grey mustache. Except under his two nostrils that were as farking yellow as the sun. Finally found another troop that was run by decent folk who were much more tolerant than the other ass clowns.
 
2013-01-28 05:33:14 PM
Wow. Divide and conquer. Split BSA into gay/non gay factions and thus identify and bring enormous pressure onto the non-gay faction. The PC Brigade is relentless, I'll give them that.

If BSA folds, the Scouting Movement is over. Done.
 
2013-01-28 05:33:26 PM
Wow awesome job Boy Scouts. Next thing you know they'll be supporting integration.
 
2013-01-28 05:33:45 PM

Teknowaffle: My troop let in gays, atheists, muslims, jews. We had some of everything in there, and if parents had a problem with it, they were told to send their kid to the shiatty troop across town.

I don't know how the BSA lets us do this, possibly because we were a troop of over 100, and that was a lot of dues or something.


From my understanding it was a "Ask me no questions, and I'll tell you no lies" arrangement. We had some local troops that would allow atheists but officially that wasn't allowed. My concern with my son is he'd get into it, want to move up the ranks, then some twatwaffle would pull up the religious thing.
 
2013-01-28 05:34:22 PM
Organization known for short shorts and colored handkerchiefs considers ending longstanding ban on homosexuals

Rebuttal: MD Boy Scout Pack Forced to Take Down Statement Supporting Gay Members
 
2013-01-28 05:35:20 PM

mark12A: Wow. Divide and conquer. Split BSA into gay/non gay factions and thus identify and bring enormous pressure onto the non-gay faction. The PC Brigade is relentless, I'll give them that.

If BSA folds, the Scouting Movement is over. Done.


If the scouting movement was about being a jackass, then it's time it rightfully over.
 
2013-01-28 05:36:50 PM
 
2013-01-28 05:39:07 PM

Sarsin: mark12A: Wow. Divide and conquer. Split BSA into gay/non gay factions and thus identify and bring enormous pressure onto the non-gay faction. The PC Brigade is relentless, I'll give them that.

If BSA folds, the Scouting Movement is over. Done.

If the scouting movement was about being a jackass, then it's time it rightfully over.


I think he's referring to the overall system in place which teaches kids good morals(minus the gay hatred), good citizenship, etc etc. The Higher structure bans on the gheys is extremely disappointing.
 
2013-01-28 05:39:42 PM
Now that they're going to let in gays, are they going to flush out the pedophiles?

/They've been on an exchange program with the catholic church.
 
2013-01-28 05:40:04 PM
They'd better... or their days are numbered.
 
2013-01-28 05:41:05 PM
The last thing I want for sons is to have predators around them on sleep overs. They say the same thing for girl scouts.
 
2013-01-28 05:41:36 PM

madgonad: Can anyone else hear the Mormon Church gathering up their bases, balls, and bats and going home?

Seriously - if this is the case, thousands of troops will cease to exist on the following day.


And nothing of value would be lost.

And the kids who really wanted to stick with scouts would find another troop pretty fast.
 
2013-01-28 05:41:43 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Krieghund: Cythraul: I wonder what kind of a social atmosphere that would create. So you're gay Scout Master John Doe, and you're trying to be a positive influence to kids in the BSA, all the while knowing the only reason they're tolerating your membership is because they want to keep their largest donors.

I think that anyone that would be in that situation would be more worried about shaping the next generation of leaders than upset about the assholes that are in charge today.

But it's something we've been through with women and African-Americans and all kind of once-excluded minorities. I have great respect for anyone willing to put up with the crap that comes with being an unwelcome member of an organization. Which makes me think: if they do change the rules, a (mostly) straight guy like me would have a role in being a scout leader and helping make it a welcoming organization for everyone.

Then again, they still have a problem with atheists, don't they?

Child molesters: OK
Atheists: No way

/godless heathen bastards have no place in a free Christian country


I consider myself Agnostic personally. I was not raised around religion and my family did not attend church. When I was young I was in the cub scouts and ultimately was not allowed to progress due to being unable to complete several of the sections involving religion as my family did not practice any organized religion. Frankly I have no desire to support  such an organization in any way. The girl scouts on the other hand appear to be fully inclusive and frankly sell a better product for fundraising so they have my full support

/seriously popcorn?
 
2013-01-28 05:41:56 PM
They are not considering ending the ban, they are considering allowing each chartering org to ban or permit gay kids/leaders.

If your local troop meets in a church basement odds are that church is the chartering org for that troop.

Considering how many troops are owned/chartered by evangelical/catholic/mormon churches hardly a damn thing will change even if they go through with what they are considering.
 
2013-01-28 05:42:26 PM

upndn: So.... The fox is going to be in charge of the chicken coop.

What could possibly go wrong?


It's the ones in the closet that will continue to be a problem.
 
2013-01-28 05:46:28 PM
Smith said a change in the policy toward atheists was not being considered, and that the BSA continued to view "Duty to God" as one of its basic principles.
 
2013-01-28 05:46:35 PM

Thisbymaster: The last thing I want for sons is to have predators around them on sleep overs. They say the same thing for girl scouts.


That's why you go camping where there aren't bears!

/Ba dum CHING!
//Tip your waitress, try the veal
 
2013-01-28 05:46:35 PM

LazarusLong42: madgonad: Can anyone else hear the Mormon Church gathering up their bases, balls, and bats and going home?

Seriously - if this is the case, thousands of troops will cease to exist on the following day.

And nothing of value would be lost.

And the kids who really wanted to stick with scouts would find another troop pretty fast.


This I am OK with. Seperate the church from the troops and I will be 100% OK with that decision.
 
2013-01-28 05:46:43 PM
Still no cure for shiatty popcorn.
 
2013-01-28 05:47:30 PM

mark12A: Wow. Divide and conquer. Split BSA into gay/non gay factions and thus identify and bring enormous pressure onto the non-gay faction. The PC Brigade is relentless, I'll give them that.

If BSA folds, the Scouting Movement is over. Done.


Well, another hate-filled bigot exposes himself.
 
2013-01-28 05:48:03 PM

Oldiron_79: I_Am_Weasel: Well, clearly this will lead the way to the new Scout motto - 'Be Pre-beared'

Well im pretty sure most gheys that would want into scouting would be more likely to be bears than fairy twinks.


The guy that taught us first aid said we should bring...maxipads while camping. Just in case.

/good for soaking up blood
//didn't bring any
 
2013-01-28 05:48:42 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Well, clearly this will lead the way to the new Scout motto - 'Be Pre-beared'


I read that and Scar singing in the Lion King popped into my head. Hhhmmmm
 
2013-01-28 05:51:38 PM
Not if the Mormons in charge have anything to say about it.

//Or is that largely a Western US thing?
 
2013-01-28 05:53:24 PM

PanicMan: Smith said a change in the policy toward atheists was not being considered, and that the BSA continued to view "Duty to God" as one of its basic principles.


I always had a burning questions about this.The by-laws say you can believe in any religion, but you have to be theistic in some way.

What if I decide to believe in an evil deity? Can I be an evil Boy Scout? Would I be forced to grow a goatee so they could tell me from the normal scouts?
 
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