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2013-01-28 04:31:43 PM
4 votes:

Calmamity: I wish I could have gone to that, but I had to work.

I have a junker shotgun that I would definitely take $100 for.


Gun buybacks, getting that stuff your grandfather let rust to shiat off the street since the first one.
2013-01-28 04:21:00 PM
4 votes:

justtray: It's Me Bender: I_Am_Weasel: If I had a missile launcher, I'd make somebody pay.

Eh, there's no way you could kill even 1% as many children as Obama has with his missiles.

How many children has obama killed?


More than 0 and the list doesn't even include A-stan.

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Wajid Noor | 9 | male
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Shoaib | 8 | male
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Khalid | 12 | male
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Jannatullah | 13 | male
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Qari Ishaq | 19 | male
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Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
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Darvesh | 13 | male
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Justtray hates facts. I'm on ignore because of them :( Someone quote me.
2013-01-28 03:57:56 PM
4 votes:
Wow, an empty, non-reusable tube. The horror. I like how the authorities intimated that it was dangerous. To who? It's only dangerous to the people who sponsored the buy-back and the police who depend upon you to believe everything you hear.

348 pistols and 364 rifles? I wonder how many crimes they just paid for the privilege of leaving open. 3 "street sweepers"? OH NOES! They are such amazing instruments of crime that they haven't been used in any that I can think of, and the possession of which did not result in the arrest of the person carrying an unregistered NFA Destructive Device.

I sure am glad they don't this kind of shiat where I live. I'd like to at least continue to have the illusion that the local police are competent.
2013-01-28 04:48:39 PM
3 votes:

Dimensio: I suspect that you will next attempt to convince me that Mexican criminal cartels do not obtain hand grenades from smugglers who purchase them legally in the United States at gun shows without a background check.


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GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I know that the thread has already reached derp level 9 but I'd like to point out that the AVERAGE PERSON can't tell the difference between a spent rocket tube and "AHHHHHHH!!!! A BAZOOKA!!!!" which is why there are laws against their sale in the first place. It's borderline useless as a weapon (they make an unwieldy club) but can easily be used to incite panic under the right circumstances.


That's not really my problem. Why should I be held responsible for an idiot freaking out over nothing? "You can't have that." "Why not?" "That guy over there doesn't know its not dangerous." "So, go teach the idiot and let me have my non-dangerous item." "I don't want to deal with the idiot, so hand it over."
2013-01-28 03:50:13 PM
3 votes:

ajgeek: Eh, the device was deployed. It's the gun equivalent of finding a used condom.


Just repeating this as there will be someone who comes along hyperventilating about Stinger missiles out in the general public's hands & how airliners are going to be falling from the skies like snowflakes in Alaska.

It's an empty (& non reloadable) fiberglass tube.  Something somewhat cool to prop up in the corner of an office but nothing to get the vapors over.  $25-50 at most surplus stores (when you can find them) & apparently a very good investment as you can now get a couple hundred for them at these asinine gun 'buy backs'.  I need to see if I can get a pallet of them at the next .gov surplus auction.  I should be able to make enough from them that, even at today's hyper inflated prices, I could convert it to one of those scary looking black rifles & still pocket some money.
2013-01-28 02:48:48 PM
3 votes:
Eh, the device was deployed. It's the gun equivalent of finding a used condom.
2013-01-28 06:25:24 PM
2 votes:

vygramul: Lsherm: Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!" if these buyback programs really WERE getting AK after AK I think I'd set up a booth myself.

I went to Bass Pro this weekend because I wanted to pick up a Henry Golden Boy and there was a jackass at the counter screaming about not being able to get an XM-15 (I think) because they didn't have any in stock.  I don't think there's a gun store in the state of Virginia that has a semiautomatic rifle left, at least not ones that shoot NATO rounds.

Stopped by a store for some 12 gauge ammo and they were out of semi-autos and don't even ask about mags.  They did have an upper with grenade launcher, but the guys said they think the owner's not selling it.


I'm kind of sad. After our house was robbed last year my fiance and I picked up a pistol (Ruger SR9 if you're interested, great little gun, lots of extra safety features to help her feel comfortable), so for the long expanses of time when I'm not home my fiance has an extra line of defense after our big-arse ferocious greyhound (if you've ever had a grey you know how threatening they are, lol).

Picked up a 60 pack of generic cartridges, along with a 20 pack of home defense rounds. I wanted to pick up another 200 pack to help her learn to shoot better but last time i looked wally world had them at almost 70$ a pack. It hasn't come back down, when they have them. Wish I had picked them up earlier. Oh wells.
2013-01-28 05:43:05 PM
2 votes:
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2013-01-28 05:03:26 PM
2 votes:
I watched the video... I saw what amounts to dozens and dozens of grandpa's 'ol break over shotgun.  Single shot relics owned by people unsure of how to get rid of them until the police do a buy back program.

Yep, they got a whole lot of non-functioning .22 rifles from the 1930s off the streets.  And everybody who showed up looked as if they were bona fide outlaws who could go on a shooting spree at any moment - really desperados.

I love the anecdotal story a defense attorney told me a while back (it may not be true, but it's funny) - The guy who he was representing was brought in and charged for shooting another guy at a party during a fight.  It took the cops a while to figure it all out and brought the guy in after a month.  They had a picture of him with the gun in question from a cell phone recovered at his residence.  Witnesses say it was the revolver used in the crime and the cops wanted to know where it was.  The client told his lawyer (behind closed doors) that he had turned in during a gun buy back program a couple of weeks after the shooting.  The lawyer told him to shut up and never say that again to anyone.  After conferring with a captain at the police department about what happens to the guns he confirmed that the police had in fact destroyed the best evidence against his client.  I don't know what happened from there, but that was pretty funny - if it is in fact true.  Seeing as how the guns are involved in an anonymous buy back program, it's likely they can't really run balistics on them and go after the sellers.
2013-01-28 04:41:49 PM
2 votes:

Dimensio: BronyMedic: Dave Lister: Eh, y'know it's gonna sit in my shop...the market for rare discontinued antique firearms bottomed out maybe two years ago...I'll give you $170. Ok, $200 is the best I can do.

The last picture I saw from a gun buyback was in NYC. Someone turned in a limited edition Browning Auto-5 12-ga shotgun (You can tell by silver plate and intricate markings on the receiver). I  own two, a regular and a gold edition Auto-5, and had it appraised at 2500 dollars three years ago.

Some idiot turned it in for a 100 dollar gift card when it's worth FAR more than mine.

/Auto-5 is a damn fine shotgun, BTW.

While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?


Nope. The public safety isn't improved even a little bit, just your illusion of it. Want proof? Go down to Wal-Mart and check out the wall of shotguns.
2013-01-28 04:34:46 PM
2 votes:
I wonder if they take zip guns as well?

I can whip up a dozen in the garage for about $50.
2013-01-28 04:05:29 PM
2 votes:
Another month, another Fark story of idiots making a big deal out of one-use launcher tubes, of which you can buy all over the place.
2013-01-28 02:58:35 PM
2 votes:
With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!" if these buyback programs really WERE getting AK after AK I think I'd set up a booth myself.
2013-01-28 02:21:38 PM
2 votes:
Same thing happened in LA recently

/I think they were selling those things in surplus stores
2013-01-29 07:45:51 AM
1 votes:

Dimensio: While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?


You actually think they destroyed that 2500$ shotgun and it didn't go home with one of the cops running that gun buy?

So cute.

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.


Wouldn't grandma benefit more from someone paying her the 2500$ the shotgun is actually worth than the 100$ gift card she's going to get from the cop who will then take that shotgun home with him like it never existed?

Also you cannot buy 'back' something you never owned. These things are nothing more than publicity lies from start to finish.

BronyMedic: No choke, and rock salt rounds if you feel bad about killing someone. It won't kill them, but it'll make them wish they were dead.


And you will open yourself up to massive liability because shooting deliberately to wound is evidence that you did not have a reasonable belief that deadly force was necessary. Not a great idea.

BronyMedic: I tend to generally agree, but I do think certain models, based on the features they have - including semi-automatic handguns - should require more in depth of a check in regards to mental health (maybe requiring a doctor's signature that you're of sound mind?) and interconnected ability to search multiple databases for issues.

I think it's far too easy for the mentally ill in America to get their hands on weapons.


All you will accomplish is ensuring that people who need to see a doctor won't go because they are (rightly) afraid that they have to surrender their rights to do so. There's absolutely no logical basis for treating a semi-auto pistol differently than a revolver, either. So thanks to your irrational fear, you want to meddle into the medical affairs of other people. Maybe a good therapist can help you - unless you're afraid that will mean you no longer have the right to buy a semi-auto pistol.

please: That took me two minutes! I could post those all night. I only even made the comment because they just busted some Detroit cops here for it, heard about that on television and can't find any links to that one... Are you seriously suggesting that cops would not take advantage of off-the-books guns coming in? I know you're not that naive.


Every cop needs a couple throw-down guns.

middlewaytao: These programs are to discourage people from selling under the counter with no background checks.


These 'programs' are under the counter with no background checks.
2013-01-29 12:54:29 AM
1 votes:

Bucky Katt: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Same thing happened in LA recently

/I think they were selling those things in surplus stores

Really? That doesn't seem like a good idea.


They're inert tubes. They can't be reloaded and are literally as useful as a length of painted PVC pipe
2013-01-29 12:21:33 AM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: please: there is a actually a HUGE history of cops abusing gun buyback programs.

please: http://www.gazette.net/article/20130116/NEWS/130119403/1124/prince-ge o rge-x2019-s-police-officer-found-guilty-of-gun-theft&template=gazette

please: http://manhattanda.org/press-release/nypd-officer-charged-stealing-fi r earms-lockers-9th-precinct-station-house

please: http://clarendonhills.suntimes.com/news/11013415-418/former-clarendon - hills-cop-admits-taking-guns-from-turn-in-program.html

None of those are buybacks.


please: Cops love stealing guns almost as much as they love shooting dogs.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/news/34799


http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/02/former_tarrant_police_officer.htm l

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/02/re d mond_officer_charged_with_stealing_guns.html


http://www.firearmstruth.com/2010/who-guards-the-guards-long-beach-of f icer-charged-with-stealing-guns

http://www.nwherald.com/2011/05/14/ex-ill-officer-charged-with-steali n g-guns/amfcsze/

http://article.wn.com/view/2011/05/13/Cop_Stole_Guns_From_TurnIn_Prog r am_In_Clarendon_Hills_Police/

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7594804

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/2/mistrial-pg-officer-ac c used-stealing-guns/


please: more "turn in" thefts:

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/18900159/hpd-officer-accused-of-st e aling-firearms-resigns-from-the-force

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2519&dat=19980911&id=k25eAAAAIB A J&sjid=kGENAAAAIBAJ&pg=1430,4242136

and more general police gun theivery:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2341019/


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/22/AR200 6 082201305.html


please: "In seeking safer streets, police departments across the country have increasingly asked citizens to turn in guns in exchange for cash or gift certificates, no questions asked. But in Newark, officials said today, the city's gun buy-back program earlier this year took an unfortunate twist: Fancy weapons were pocketed by some officers in the Police Department's East District."

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/10/nyregion/newark-police-accused-of-s t ealing-guns.html


Old but delicious.

2013-01-28 10:51:39 PM
1 votes:
cops stealing guns from buybacks =/= cops stealing guns from "turn-ins"

Are you serious? I'm sure everyone will sleep tight knowing as long as it's a buy back and not a turn in, there's no way the cops will be stealing them instead of melting them down.

"Could've just admitted your error and gone on about not trusting cops but now you have a HUGE history of looking like an idiot."

yeah, I think I'm comfortable leaving that one up to the Farkies to decide.
I'm done here, have good night folks.
2013-01-28 09:46:54 PM
1 votes:

justtray: Plus, they all wear body armor. You may need hollow points.


A hollow point is about the worst kind of bullet to use against armor.  They're designed to deform and expand upon meeting resistance. When shooting armor you want the exact opposite.

justtray: You can replace the walls.


A hollow point won't do any more damage to a wall than anything else.  The hollow portion will just fill up with drywall or wood and refuse to expand.
2013-01-28 09:43:20 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: please: there is a actually a HUGE history of cops abusing gun buyback programs.

please: http://www.gazette.net/article/20130116/NEWS/130119403/1124/prince-ge o rge-x2019-s-police-officer-found-guilty-of-gun-theft&template=gazette

please: http://manhattanda.org/press-release/nypd-officer-charged-stealing-fi r earms-lockers-9th-precinct-station-house

please: http://clarendonhills.suntimes.com/news/11013415-418/former-clarendon - hills-cop-admits-taking-guns-from-turn-in-program.html

None of those are buybacks.


Well, the last one was a turn in program.  Same idea but no money changes hands.
2013-01-28 09:37:33 PM
1 votes:

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: please: there is a actually a HUGE history of cops abusing gun buyback programs.

please: http://www.gazette.net/article/20130116/NEWS/130119403/1124/prince-ge o rge-x2019-s-police-officer-found-guilty-of-gun-theft&template=gazette

please: http://manhattanda.org/press-release/nypd-officer-charged-stealing-fi r earms-lockers-9th-precinct-station-house

please: http://clarendonhills.suntimes.com/news/11013415-418/former-clarendon - hills-cop-admits-taking-guns-from-turn-in-program.html

None of those are buybacks.


My eyes must be getting bad.
FTFA:
"A former Clarendon Hills police officer charged with stealing four guns collected during a turn-in program..."

and i thew in the others for the disingenuous "what??? cops wouldn't steal guns!!!"
2013-01-28 07:51:33 PM
1 votes:
Lyrics:

Here comes the helicopter -- second time today
Everybody scatters and hopes it goes away
How many kids they've murdered only God can say
If I had a rocket launcher...I'd make somebody pay

I don't believe in guarded borders and I don't believe in hate
I don't believe in generals or their stinking torture states
And when I talk with the survivors of things too sickening to relate
Bruce Cockburn

If I had a rocket launcher...I would retaliate

On the Rio Lacantun, one hundred thousand wait
To fall down from starvation -- or some less humane fate
Cry for guatemala, with a corpse in every gate
If I had a rocket launcher...I would not hesitate

I want to raise every voice -- at least I've got to try
Every time I think about it water rises to my eyes.
Situation desperate, echoes of the victims cry
If I had a rocket launcher...Some son of a biatch would die
2013-01-28 06:56:55 PM
1 votes:

globalwarmingpraiser: you should be able to purchase anything up to belt fed 7.62.


Well, yeah, if you have 25 grand to drop.

I'd be going the hookers and blow route, myself.

/I've thought about getting my pyrotechnics technician license to get around that pesky "Destructive Device" law.
2013-01-28 06:53:05 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".

Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.


In PA they have to prove reasoning to deny you a concealed carry permit, which everyone really should get just because of some of the dumbarse laws we have (set your pistol on the back of your car at the range - that's a felony, stop for dinner after shooting - same thing, but neither one is if you have a concealed carry permit).

Though I think folks who do intend to carry really should sign up for some classes. There's a ton of private companies to go through. Something which ends with you training with a MOUT course would be the best. I'm fine with you wanting to concealed carry, or open carry, just know how to use the thing in the situation for which you are carrying it.

/liberal gun owner
//loves his rights, but ok with some minor tweaks to current controls
2013-01-28 06:47:18 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".


Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.
2013-01-28 06:45:17 PM
1 votes:

Recoil Therapy: o5iiawah:Makes me wish I had bought a few crates of Mosin-nagants and Norinco SKS rifles pre-hysteria. Shiat, you could get a crate of 20 mosins for $1,000

It can be better than that.   I bought 20ish 'gunsmith special' Mosins (functional but missing minor parts here & there) from 4 different Eastern Block countries for $400 with the intent of combining them to make complete ones.  I figured that out of each group of 5 I could make 4 complete ones & then give 1 to each of my kids (instant collection starter or if you're in the media, instant arsenal...), 1 for me & 1 junker.  Of course, as with most other projects around here very little was done on them over the years & they are still in assorted piles of parts down in the basement.  If they ever have a buy back around here I'll need to throw a bunch of parts together to make a 'working' rifle & help the community out by getting these eeeevil baby killers off of the streets (with a gain to me of $80 ea if they're giving $100 per)..... ow, I think I just sprained something rolling my eyes so hard.

Sadly, or thankfully, people around here seem to think that the buy backs are as idiotic as they sound & don't have them unless a local politician really needs some face time on the nooze.


Mosins are my favorite project guns. I wish I lived near you, I take a couple off yours hands...
2013-01-28 06:45:05 PM
1 votes:

vygramul: hamdinger: It's so funny. When I say every gun owner is a tobacco-dipping, toothless, uneducated hick revolutionary domestic terrorist, they act like it's an unfair stereotype and I'm some sort of "gun-grabber."

But a bunch of gun-toting sissypantses saying that all journalists are stupid and lazy - every last one of 'em? That's totally cool.

Think about science journalism in the popular press and tell me it's not true.


This.

Every single time I read a popular press article about something I have detailed knowledge of, they get something major fundamentally *WRONG*. And that's just science stuff they could look up with very minimal effort.

So why should I trust them to report on other subjects if they can't get something relatively simple like science reporting right?

/Science is, at its heart, pretty damned simple.
2013-01-28 06:43:46 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".


yup, there is already "gun control". The debate is just where the line is. i think things are fine as-is, but there are a few measures I wouldn't get too twisted about. I don't think picking and choosing models within the same type is effective though, they can just change the name.

Have you shot it? How do you like it?
2013-01-28 06:39:22 PM
1 votes:

please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D


Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".
2013-01-28 06:33:48 PM
1 votes:

KIA: So, uhh... anyone know whether my friend's discarded LAW tube is legal / worth anything? I understand it was used for training purposes for a few years, then given away to anyone who wanted it as a curio :)


I've seen used LAW tubes in surplus stores for between $75 - $100. Doesn't mean they were selling for that price, or at least not flying off the shelf...I'd put one in my garage/man cave for $25 or $30, but that's about it...
KIA
2013-01-28 06:28:18 PM
1 votes:
So, uhh... anyone know whether my friend's discarded LAW tube is legal / worth anything? I understand it was used for training purposes for a few years, then given away to anyone who wanted it as a curio :)
2013-01-28 06:27:55 PM
1 votes:
o5iiawah:Makes me wish I had bought a few crates of Mosin-nagants and Norinco SKS rifles pre-hysteria. Shiat, you could get a crate of 20 mosins for $1,000

It can be better than that.   I bought 20ish 'gunsmith special' Mosins (functional but missing minor parts here & there) from 4 different Eastern Block countries for $400 with the intent of combining them to make complete ones.  I figured that out of each group of 5 I could make 4 complete ones & then give 1 to each of my kids (instant collection starter or if you're in the media, instant arsenal...), 1 for me & 1 junker.  Of course, as with most other projects around here very little was done on them over the years & they are still in assorted piles of parts down in the basement.  If they ever have a buy back around here I'll need to throw a bunch of parts together to make a 'working' rifle & help the community out by getting these eeeevil baby killers off of the streets (with a gain to me of $80 ea if they're giving $100 per)..... ow, I think I just sprained something rolling my eyes so hard.

Sadly, or thankfully, people around here seem to think that the buy backs are as idiotic as they sound & don't have them unless a local politician really needs some face time on the nooze.
2013-01-28 06:25:38 PM
1 votes:

UberDave: Yes, I've done all manner of "testing" on sheetrock, brick, wood, cardboard, particle board, plywood, etc., etc. And with #8 all the way down to 00 and non-sabot rifled slugs.


Ok. Just checking, most people won't do that, they'll just repeat what they've heard.

UberDave: And I never said the shotgun wouldn't penetrate. I said it would be *less* likely to injure your neighbors and it certainly will.


Somewhat, yes. For me, going through one wall is the same as going through five, since that's all I have between me and my neighbor. I know I can send birdshot through that wall, and I won't use use birdshot as a personal defense round if I can help it, and I can help it.
2013-01-28 06:24:41 PM
1 votes:

AbbeySomeone: BronyMedic: Has anyone notice that in EVERY gun buyback program, some idiot has turned in a rather rare, discontinued or antique firearm that would be worth FAR more than a 200 dollar gift card - like in the thousands area - for chump change?

I would guess that it was stolen.

I don't understand this program or the people that turn their guns in.


I have turned in broken firearms that are dangerous to shoot, have no value as collectibles or display items, and are more expensive to repair than buying new.

/Should have fixed the stock of the 1888 Mauser - that was a fine weapon, but it was also throated.  ~$100 to replace, $350 to repair.  Stock broken during a move.
2013-01-28 06:18:19 PM
1 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: UberDave: I don't know what you are thinking here.

Well, before I go any farther, let me ask you this: have you actually tested your setup, and if so what is your spread at the range you will be shooting, and how many layers of sheetrock did you penetrate? I've done my own tests, and they pretty much match the findings over at box-o-truth. I had very little spread at 10' (my margin of error is now measured at maaaaaybe 2", which while technically better than .45" still isn't 'kinda point at the bad guy and knock him down' territory), and I'll still easily go through one residential wall. Personally, I don't really see than as a whole hell of a lot better than a pistol. I still have to aim pretty well, and in most places in my apartment if I only have one wall between me and killing (or at least hurting) my neighbor.

Look, I'm not knocking your choice of weapon. All I'm saying is it just might not be exactly what you think it is.


Yes, I've done all manner of "testing" on sheetrock, brick, wood, cardboard, particle board, plywood, etc., etc.  And with #8 all the way down to 00 and non-sabot rifled slugs. At 10' there's a good chance the wadding will get penetration much less the pellets.  But I do know a single layer of sheetrock (or just about anything really...hell, even cardboard) is going to slow the hell out of the pellets.  And with most apartments, you have two layers of sheetrock.  And with a house, there's a layer of sheetrock and at least siding to go through.  I single bullet from a relatively HV gun could easily penetrate both layers and be lethal to quite a nice distance.

And I never said the shotgun wouldn't penetrate.  I said it would be *less* likely to injure your neighbors and it certainly will.

Back in the day, I had to carry 870 for a bit (in the service...I own a pre-86 Wingmaster).  At the range, we were putting non-magnum 00 on 1/4 plywood fronted with cardboard at 25 feet.  We were blowing some nice holes but I was surprised how fast the pellets slowed after penetrating the wood (based on +5' wood backing)...I'm talking non lethal at a reasonable distance beyond.  We were even finding stuck pellets trying to exit the wood.  I chalked it up to a bad loads at the time.
2013-01-28 06:16:51 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Has anyone notice that in EVERY gun buyback program, some idiot has turned in a rather rare, discontinued or antique firearm that would be worth FAR more than a 200 dollar gift card - like in the thousands area - for chump change?


I would guess that it was stolen.

I don't understand this program or the people that turn their guns in.
2013-01-28 06:12:03 PM
1 votes:

cretinbob: The single-use device is a launch tube assembly for a Stinger portable surface-to-air missile and already had been used.

Anyone point that out yet?
It's not a missile launcher, it's literally a piece of garbage.
Whoever turned it in should have gotten nothing or arrested for fraud.


The two of them that were turned in LA were similar. I think one of them had never been fired in the first place and was then rendered permanently disabled and the other one was a demo model which could never be modded to fire

but omg. rockets.
2013-01-28 06:05:16 PM
1 votes:

hamdinger: It's so funny. When I say every gun owner is a tobacco-dipping, toothless, uneducated hick revolutionary domestic terrorist, they act like it's an unfair stereotype and I'm some sort of "gun-grabber."

But a bunch of gun-toting sissypantses saying that all journalists are stupid and lazy - every last one of 'em? That's totally cool.


Think about science journalism in the popular press and tell me it's not true.
2013-01-28 06:05:05 PM
1 votes:
This was a Stinger tube, not a LAW or something else you can buy. Somebody was very bad to take this off base; not dangerous but very, very illegal.
2013-01-28 06:02:01 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: tallguywithglasseson: But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.

I've never been hit with a .22 round, but this whole "I need a bullet that will stop a man in his tracks after one shot" mentality is a little odd.  A .22lr can still do plenty of damage, and if you remain calm and manage to get more than one into somebody, I doubt they're going to stick with their initial plan to rape your family.  They will most likely be trying to get the hell away from you.

I'm not saying you advocate this argument, just that I've seen it before.


The whole "stopping power" thing is a myth.

And the .22 cal kills more people in the US than any other round.

/Of course, that's probably a function of popularity
//But then, it also means it works just fine
2013-01-28 05:58:46 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: BronyMedic: scubamage: FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall

No choke, and rock salt rounds if you feel bad about killing someone. It won't kill them, but it'll make them wish they were dead.

That apparently really, really depends on the distance.

Is there anyone who even sells rock salt shells or is it the kind of thing you have to make on your own?  I've never actually met anyone who has used them.


Looks like these guys do - along with a bunch of other types.

Link
2013-01-28 05:57:30 PM
1 votes:
The single-use device is a launch tube assembly for a Stinger portable surface-to-air missile and already had been used.

Anyone point that out yet?
It's not a missile launcher, it's literally a piece of garbage.
Whoever turned it in should have gotten nothing or arrested for fraud.
2013-01-28 05:57:26 PM
1 votes:

justtray: It's Me Bender: I_Am_Weasel: If I had a missile launcher, I'd make somebody pay.

Eh, there's no way you could kill even 1% as many children as Obama has with his missiles.

How many children has obama killed?


That's one of those questions that is unlikely to find a reasonable and trustworthy answer in a public forum.
2013-01-28 05:56:12 PM
1 votes:

Adolf Oliver Nipples: "street sweepers"


The only gun that is illegal to own in VA.  Apparently, even we can be victims to public panic and hype.  Sure, you can own a belt-fed machine gun, but not a street sweeper.
2013-01-28 05:54:05 PM
1 votes:
Was it on fark a couple weeks ago that the story was posted about an old woman bringing in a STG-44 to a gun buy back? The cops couldn't let her do it and directed her to a museum or collector - good to know there's a few cops out there with sense in their head.

FTFA:
"He added that the private sales of the missile launch tube and other weapons illustrate the need for comprehensive background checks as proposed by President Barack Obama, as well as other regulations at the state level."

Yes, decorative garbage from surplus stores illustrates the need for comprehensive background checks.
*eye rolling gif*
2013-01-28 05:46:37 PM
1 votes:

angry_scientist: Where else is a bolt action Sears shotgun to go?


That's it. I have an old Monkey Ward single shot 12GA where the action breaks open after each shot, as if you hit the release lever. So, I don't shoot it, don't really need it, and would never knowingly rip someone off on a defective item. Now I'm thinking it wouldn't get me all that much at a turn in, but maybe if I were to attend this type of turn-in and saw the barrel down in the parking lot first that might improve its "we gotta get this off the street" value.

/disclaimer, blah blah blah, whatever
2013-01-28 05:44:34 PM
1 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: GanjSmokr: You'll need special teflon coated cop killer hollow point full metal jacket bullet casing shells loaded into a 30 round extended high capacity bullet clip magazine sheath holder that's clipped into a black military style automatic AK-47 assault semi-automatic glock M-16-60 rifle weapon with a barrel shroud. That'll get right through those bullet proof vests.

That was painful.


Agreed.
2013-01-28 05:44:23 PM
1 votes:
"He added that the private sales of the missile launch tube and other weapons illustrate the need for comprehensive background checks as proposed by President Barack Obama, as well as other regulations at the state level."

Because there's nothing criminals like to obey more than rules and regulations.
2013-01-28 05:44:03 PM
1 votes:
I have an old Navy Arms Country Boy muzzle loader that is rusted shut, sitting in the garage. I can't wait for the next gun buy back here. It is literally worthless, but I'll sell it to the cops for $100, then turn around and use that money to buy a good gun off someone else standing in line.
2013-01-28 05:37:51 PM
1 votes:

Verzio: BronyMedic: Dimensio: While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?

I'm not too sure of the crime statistics, but I'm pretty sure high-end, rare hunting shotguns aren't being used in many crimes in the United States.

Homicides by shotgun, 2010: 373
Homicides by hitting people with hands, fists, feet, 2010: 745


The purpose is not an improvement of actual safety, but an improvement of the feeling of safety.
2013-01-28 05:34:44 PM
1 votes:

UberDave: scubamage: UberDave: BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.

How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.

I have an old POS Remington pump 12ga with a warped 36" barrel that I'll sell you for $3500....


/Don't ask me how the barrel got warped.

So uhhhh, how did the barrel get warped? ;)

:)

This isn't for "sensitive" ears so stop reading now if you don't like stories about hunting animals...


...It was one of my dad's old shotguns.  When I was a teenager, I used to take it out into the woods behind the house and thin out the really abundant squirrel horde.  If I shot one that fell but wasn't dead, I would beat it over the head with the end of the barrel.  And with a 36" barrel, that worked really well.


...using the BUTT of the shotgun never occurred to you, teenage Dave? You know, the solid wooden end that doesn't bend so much?
[rolls eyes]
Kids.
2013-01-28 05:26:07 PM
1 votes:

Dave Lister: scubamage: Dave Lister: BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.

How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.

Depends on the actual laws of your locality, aside and above how pissed off the local constabulary gets at you legally making a fool of them. In NM, that sort of thing is still legal; this session they are trying to pass a state NICS-like check for any transfer, along with a $25 fee and retention of those records for five years.

I know in PA, for a handgun to exchange hands, you have to have a quick check run by a firearm's shop. Still, if you see someone walking up with a nice antique cavalry pistol, you could probably offer to double what the police would pay and walk with them to a local gun store. Would piss off the PoPo sure, but that's a heck of a lot better than letting a work of art get destroyed.

Exactly. So, in those states with less freedom like PA, invite an FFL to come along and call in checks as necessary. Wins all around.


My friend, I think I see a fine business opportunity waiting for us!
2013-01-28 05:24:01 PM
1 votes:

scubamage: Dave Lister: BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.

How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.

Depends on the actual laws of your locality, aside and above how pissed off the local constabulary gets at you legally making a fool of them. In NM, that sort of thing is still legal; this session they are trying to pass a state NICS-like check for any transfer, along with a $25 fee and retention of those records for five years.

I know in PA, for a handgun to exchange hands, you have to have a quick check run by a firearm's shop. Still, if you see someone walking up with a nice antique cavalry pistol, you could probably offer to double what the police would pay and walk with them to a local gun store. Would piss off the PoPo sure, but that's a heck of a lot better than letting a work of art get destroyed.


Exactly. So, in those states with less freedom like PA, invite an FFL to come along and call in checks as necessary. Wins all around.
2013-01-28 05:22:47 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: scubamage: FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall

No choke, and rock salt rounds if you feel bad about killing someone. It won't kill them, but it'll make them wish they were dead.


That apparently really, really depends on the distance.

Is there anyone who even sells rock salt shells or is it the kind of thing you have to make on your own?  I've never actually met anyone who has used them.
2013-01-28 05:21:29 PM
1 votes:
Farkin Fark.
printer costs to be less than buy back
2013-01-28 05:21:12 PM
1 votes:
The single-use device is a launch tube assembly for a Stinger portable surface-to-air missile and already had been used. As a controlled military item, it is not available to civilians through any surplus or disposal program offered by the government, according to Jamieson.

Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn added that the private sales of the missile launch tube and other weapons illustrate the need for comprehensive background checks


That is weapons grade retarded. Gratz Seattle, your mayor is a potato.
2013-01-28 05:20:06 PM
1 votes:
scubamage:

FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall.

Yep.  Back when I had to arm my wife up, I was looking at a cheap hammerless .38 revolver.  I soon found out that our poor asses couldn't afford the investment (or the ammo for that matter) and my brain also kicked in and realized that no matter what ammo I bought, it would be dangerous in an apartment especially since my wife would be all over the place when firing.  I took her out to the woods with the 20ga and let her blast the hell out of a bunch of dead trees until she could load, cock (giggity), and fire.
2013-01-28 05:18:23 PM
1 votes:

vodka: These single-use used tubes are all over the place. They aren't worth anything nor are they anything dangerous. You could build one with $10 of hardware from Home Depot. It's literally just a metal tube.


These are probably not a launch tube, but a packaging container

If the stupid police would just read Fark,,,
2013-01-28 05:17:18 PM
1 votes:

Dave Lister: BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.

How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.

Depends on the actual laws of your locality, aside and above how pissed off the local constabulary gets at you legally making a fool of them. In NM, that sort of thing is still legal; this session they are trying to pass a state NICS-like check for any transfer, along with a $25 fee and retention of those records for five years.


I know in PA, for a handgun to exchange hands, you have to have a quick check run by a firearm's shop. Still, if you see someone walking up with a nice antique cavalry pistol, you could probably offer to double what the police would pay and walk with them to a local gun store. Would piss off the PoPo sure, but that's a heck of a lot better than letting a work of art get destroyed.
2013-01-28 05:13:31 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.

How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.


Depends on the actual laws of your locality, aside and above how pissed off the local constabulary gets at you legally making a fool of them. In NM, that sort of thing is still legal; this session they are trying to pass a state NICS-like check for any transfer, along with a $25 fee and retention of those records for five years.
2013-01-28 05:11:36 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: scubamage: FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall

No choke, and rock salt rounds if you feel bad about killing someone. It won't kill them, but it'll make them wish they were dead.


Know how I know you grew up around farmers? :)
That's what most of the old PA Dutch farmers around us used to use to keep idiots on ATV's off their property. No interest in hurting anyone, just didn't want their livelihood torn up so some farkwit could get his jollies.
2013-01-28 05:10:22 PM
1 votes:

bim1154: I've been collecting non-working crap firearms over the past year. Waiting for the next buyback around here and I will have more than enough for something new after turning these in. Last year's net was $1100 bucks.


Makes me wish I had bought a few crates of Mosin-nagants and Norinco SKS rifles pre-hysteria. Shiat, you could get a crate of 20 mosins for $1,000
2013-01-28 05:07:37 PM
1 votes:

scubamage: FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall


No choke, and rock salt rounds if you feel bad about killing someone. It won't kill them, but it'll make them wish they were dead.
2013-01-28 05:07:01 PM
1 votes:

UberDave: Noticeably F.A.T.: UberDave: You don't have to aim well

Bull honky. Even with a shotgun, you're only going to hit where you're aiming. If you're not aiming at your target, what do you think you're going to hit?

UberDave: Plus, it's going to wake the world and the round is less likely to fly into the neighbor's house and injure someone.

I wouldn't count on that.

I'm not trying to say that a shotgun isn't a good choice for personal defense, but the "you don't have to aim" and "It won't overpenetrate" arguments I keep seeing are pretty easily dis-proven bull.


No.  If I'm running high-brass squirrel shot through a full choke 20 gauge, I do *not* have to aim well....especially within the confines of a home.  Or do you actually think by "not aim well" I mean "point the gun 180 degrees away from your target"?  Of course you have to point at the damn target (or in the case of a shotgun, in the vicinity of the target).


And are you saying that a shotgun blast is *just as likely* (notice I said "less likely" in my statement) to fly into your neighbor's house and injure someone as a bullet?  Again, no.  A jacketed conical round flying at 2900+ feet a second is going to go right through the wall of your house, keep going and penetrate your neighbor's house if it is in the way.  A wad of round pellets flying at ~1300 feet a second isn't going to do the same by a long shot.

I don't know what you are thinking here.  Maybe you think I'm advocating a gun ban because "shotguns are just fine for defense."  Not at all.  If you want to mount a tripod and 50mm chain cannon on the other side of your front door, the more power to you.


FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall.
2013-01-28 05:06:47 PM
1 votes:

edmo: vodka: These single-use used tubes are all over the place. They aren't worth anything nor are they anything dangerous. You could build one with $10 of hardware from Home Depot. It's literally just a metal tube.

Bullets are harmless too. Just saying.


Except that -- as commonly sold -- ammunition contains smokeless powder: an explosive. An empty metal tube does not. It's *only* a metal tube -- no explodey-bits.
2013-01-28 05:06:41 PM
1 votes:

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.


How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.
2013-01-28 05:05:15 PM
1 votes:

edmo: vodka: These single-use used tubes are all over the place. They aren't worth anything nor are they anything dangerous. You could build one with $10 of hardware from Home Depot. It's literally just a metal tube.

Bullets are harmless too. Just saying.


That makes zero sense.
2013-01-28 05:03:16 PM
1 votes:
I'll have to check the local military supply stores for these spent tubes. If I can get one or five, I'll be more than happy to turn them in for a quick buck.

/Liberal
//Also a filthy capitalist


Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.
2013-01-28 05:02:18 PM
1 votes:

Noticeably F.A.T.: UberDave: You don't have to aim well

Bull honky. Even with a shotgun, you're only going to hit where you're aiming. If you're not aiming at your target, what do you think you're going to hit?

UberDave: Plus, it's going to wake the world and the round is less likely to fly into the neighbor's house and injure someone.

I wouldn't count on that.

I'm not trying to say that a shotgun isn't a good choice for personal defense, but the "you don't have to aim" and "It won't overpenetrate" arguments I keep seeing are pretty easily dis-proven bull.



No.  If I'm running high-brass squirrel shot through a full choke 20 gauge, I do *not* have to aim well....especially within the confines of a home.  Or do you actually think by "not aim well" I mean "point the gun 180 degrees away from your target"?  Of course you have to point at the damn target (or in the case of a shotgun, in the vicinity of the target).


And are you saying that a shotgun blast is *just as likely* (notice I said "less likely" in my statement) to fly into your neighbor's house and injure someone as a bullet?  Again, no.  A jacketed conical round flying at 2900+ feet a second is going to go right through the wall of your house, keep going and penetrate your neighbor's house if it is in the way.  A wad of round pellets flying at ~1300 feet a second isn't going to do the same by a long shot.

I don't know what you are thinking here.  Maybe you think I'm advocating a gun ban because "shotguns are just fine for defense."  Not at all.  If you want to mount a tripod and 50mm chain cannon on the other side of your front door, the more power to you.
2013-01-28 05:02:06 PM
1 votes:

Awesome T-Shirt: [images.ridemonkey.com image 500x417]

Ashamed I didn't see this.


I had to do it last time, so I feel ya.
2013-01-28 04:59:11 PM
1 votes:

Verzio: BronyMedic: Dimensio: While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?

I'm not too sure of the crime statistics, but I'm pretty sure high-end, rare hunting shotguns aren't being used in many crimes in the United States.

Homicides by shotgun, 2010: 373
Homicides by hitting people with hands, fists, feet, 2010: 745


That's it, i'm calling for the banning of hands, feet and fists! If it saves just one child, don't we have a moral resposibility to do something?
2013-01-28 04:55:51 PM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Same thing happened in LA recently

/I think they were selling those things in surplus stores


Yeah, this is like the third one. Where are people getting all these missile launchers? Even if they're decommissioned, where are they coming from?

(Cuz I might like one)
2013-01-28 04:54:56 PM
1 votes:
These single-use used tubes are all over the place. They aren't worth anything nor are they anything dangerous. You could build one with $10 of hardware from Home Depot. It's literally just a metal tube.
2013-01-28 04:52:45 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Dimensio: While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?

I'm not too sure of the crime statistics, but I'm pretty sure high-end, rare hunting shotguns aren't being used in many crimes in the United States.


Homicides by shotgun, 2010: 373
Homicides by hitting people with hands, fists, feet, 2010: 745
2013-01-28 04:49:02 PM
1 votes:
Hey, that buyback actually did do something useful! An expended rocket launcher is a blunt instrument, and blunt instruments were used in 540 homicides in the US in the latest year included in the FBI Uniform Crime Reports (half again more than rifles, used in only 358 homicides that year).
2013-01-28 04:48:33 PM
1 votes:

ph0rk: Giltric:


Why are 18 and 19 year olds included? What is the age of majority in those countries?


I don't care if you count them...take them off the list if you think only having dead kids under the age of 18 on the list helps Obama.
2013-01-28 04:46:49 PM
1 votes:

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I know that the thread has already reached derp level 9 but I'd like to point out that the AVERAGE PERSON can't tell the difference between a spent rocket tube and "AHHHHHHH!!!! A BAZOOKA!!!!" which is why there are laws against their sale in the first place. It's borderline useless as a weapon (they make an unwieldy club) but can easily be used to incite panic under the right circumstances.


I suspect that little effort is required to create a fake "rocket tube" indistinguishable to casual observers from a real one. Do any current laws prohibit possession of such facsimiles?
2013-01-28 04:46:09 PM
1 votes:

Dimensio: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dimensio: BronyMedic: Dave Lister: Eh, y'know it's gonna sit in my shop...the market for rare discontinued antique firearms bottomed out maybe two years ago...I'll give you $170. Ok, $200 is the best I can do.

The last picture I saw from a gun buyback was in NYC. Someone turned in a limited edition Browning Auto-5 12-ga shotgun (You can tell by silver plate and intricate markings on the receiver). I  own two, a regular and a gold edition Auto-5, and had it appraised at 2500 dollars three years ago.

Some idiot turned it in for a 100 dollar gift card when it's worth FAR more than mine.

/Auto-5 is a damn fine shotgun, BTW.

While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?

Nope. The public safety isn't improved even a little bit, just your illusion of it. Want proof? Go down to Wal-Mart and check out the wall of shotguns.

I suspect that you will next attempt to convince me that Mexican criminal cartels do not obtain hand grenades from smugglers who purchase them legally in the United States at gun shows without a background check.


Hand grenades? NFA Destructive Devices? You show me the gun show where they are selling live hand grenades on a handshake and I'll be glad to call the BATFE.

In other words, cite?
2013-01-28 04:44:23 PM
1 votes:
I know that the thread has already reached derp level 9 but I'd like to point out that the AVERAGE PERSON can't tell the difference between a spent rocket tube and "AHHHHHHH!!!! A BAZOOKA!!!!" which is why there are laws against their sale in the first place. It's borderline useless as a weapon (they make an unwieldy club) but can easily be used to incite panic under the right circumstances.
2013-01-28 04:43:17 PM
1 votes:
Where else is a bolt action Sears shotgun to go?
2013-01-28 04:40:49 PM
1 votes:
images.ridemonkey.com

Ashamed I didn't see this.
2013-01-28 04:38:49 PM
1 votes:

Dimensio: While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?


I'm not too sure of the crime statistics, but I'm pretty sure high-end, rare hunting shotguns aren't being used in many crimes in the United States.

Glocks, on the other hand...

suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com
2013-01-28 04:38:13 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

People are buying 50 round drum magazines of it to load into their AR-15's for home defense.

I think you need a conversion kit for that to work.


I don't think Feinstein understands enough about what she's trying to legislate to know what a conversion kit is.

My buddy owns a CheyTac 408 which he bought used for $3,500 or something crazy like that. He's endlessly amused that it's not on the "weapons Diane finds scary" list because it only takes a 5 round magazine.
2013-01-28 04:37:57 PM
1 votes:

GanjSmokr: You'll need special teflon coated cop killer hollow point full metal jacket bullet casing shells loaded into a 30 round extended high capacity bullet clip magazine sheath holder that's clipped into a black military style automatic AK-47 assault semi-automatic glock M-16-60 rifle weapon with a barrel shroud. That'll get right through those bullet proof vests.


That was painful.
2013-01-28 04:36:52 PM
1 votes:

NightOwl2255: UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

I sent an email to CCI asking about 22lr. They actally replied, and said they are making 1.2 million rounds a day. Yet the stores are empty. Damn hoarders. I was at a gun show this weekend and douche-bags were selling boxes of 22lr that were going for $25 before the run on ammo for $75. Nothing like creating a panic and profiting off it.



That is insane.  The weekend after Christmas, I went to my in-laws property to do some hunting in the national forest.  My brother in-law went up with his youngest who brought a friend.  He tried stopping at four places on the way out and no one had .22lr.  I didn't bring my .22 but my shotgun ammo box had two 50-packs of cheap Remington HV (maybe $4 a box).  I let him have at them because the kids want to shoot the marlin 39a (which I hath so coveted) he brought along.  Of course, that left me with no .22 but I thought they would surely be restocked after the new year.  No such luck.

From what the guys at the stores tell me, they get them in but it flies off the shelf within hours.  I just hope supply meets demand or we will be paying $20 a box.
2013-01-28 04:36:50 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Dave Lister: Eh, y'know it's gonna sit in my shop...the market for rare discontinued antique firearms bottomed out maybe two years ago...I'll give you $170. Ok, $200 is the best I can do.

The last picture I saw from a gun buyback was in NYC. Someone turned in a limited edition Browning Auto-5 12-ga shotgun (You can tell by silver plate and intricate markings on the receiver). I  own two, a regular and a gold edition Auto-5, and had it appraised at 2500 dollars three years ago.

Some idiot turned it in for a 100 dollar gift card when it's worth FAR more than mine.

/Auto-5 is a damn fine shotgun, BTW.


Mine is a Sweet-Sixteen, though it does have an ugly polychoke.

I'm seriously considering going to the next local buyback event parking lot with some mad money.
2013-01-28 04:36:50 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: UberDave: For use in home defense...when your attacker/intruder brings a brigade or two of thugs along.

No it's for when the get away car is almost at the end of the street.


zero survivors


If you fired that down the block, you'd be toast too. That's a nuclear-tipped "Davy Crockett" rocket.
2013-01-28 04:36:07 PM
1 votes:

UberDave: You don't have to aim well


Bull honky. Even with a shotgun, you're only going to hit where you're aiming. If you're not aiming at your target, what do you think you're going to hit?

UberDave: Plus, it's going to wake the world and the round is less likely to fly into the neighbor's house and injure someone.


I wouldn't count on that.

I'm not trying to say that a shotgun isn't a good choice for personal defense, but the "you don't have to aim" and "It won't overpenetrate" arguments I keep seeing are pretty easily dis-proven bull.
2013-01-28 04:35:01 PM
1 votes:

ha-ha-guy: Calmamity: I wish I could have gone to that, but I had to work.

I have a junker shotgun that I would definitely take $100 for.

Gun buybacks, getting that stuff your grandfather let rust to shiat off the street since the first one.


Mostly true, but shiat, I saw some of the stuff the guys on the sidelines were buying from people, and I couldn't believe it. I wish I'd been there as a damn buyer.
2013-01-28 04:33:52 PM
1 votes:

GanjSmokr: justtray: tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Heh. Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!

Well, there's about an 11 out of 10 chance you're going to be home invaded, so it's important consider things like ammo that's less likely to give you hearing damage when you're Rambo-ing your house.

But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.

Plus, they all wear body armor. You may need hollow points. You can replace the walls. Safety is whats most important.

You'll need special teflon coated cop killer hollow point full metal jacket bullet casing shells loaded into a 30 round extended high capacity bullet clip magazine sheath holder that's clipped into a black military style automatic AK-47 assault semi-automatic glock M-16-60 rifle weapon with a barrel shroud. That'll get right through those bullet proof vests.


Sometimes when I start googling the things I see in threads like this, I wonder how much of a big red flag I'm throwing up to the feds.

Current search history:
Obama kill list
M202 FLASH
javelin targeting system
home defense rounds
barrel shrouds
2013-01-28 04:31:55 PM
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Has anyone notice that in EVERY gun buyback program, some idiot has turned in a rather rare, discontinued or antique firearm that would be worth FAR more than a 200 dollar gift card - like in the thousands area - for chump change?


And people sell musical instruments worth thousands for hundreds on Craigslist.
Also jewelry to pawn shops, etc.
2013-01-28 04:30:27 PM
1 votes:
I wish I could have gone to that, but I had to work.

I have a junker shotgun that I would definitely take $100 for.
2013-01-28 04:29:36 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: ha-ha-guy: I'm suddenly glad I did an organized buy with some people for a couple pallets back in September.

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WTF are you shooting?  Earth?


We bury it beneath our double wide trailers for when the government comes for us. We're successful crazies cause we have the double wides, unlike the morons in the single wides.

/or a large hunting club, one of the two
//I know a guy with two full pallets and about a half a pallet worth of 7.62x51mm in his basement
///of course he also has a tax stamp for a full auto, so he uses it quickly
/I have about a quarter of a pallet right now, because you know, coyotes, deer, and zombies
2013-01-28 04:27:49 PM
1 votes:
Has anyone notice that in EVERY gun buyback program, some idiot has turned in a rather rare, discontinued or antique firearm that would be worth FAR more than a 200 dollar gift card - like in the thousands area - for chump change?
2013-01-28 04:27:07 PM
1 votes:

justtray: tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Heh. Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!

Well, there's about an 11 out of 10 chance you're going to be home invaded, so it's important consider things like ammo that's less likely to give you hearing damage when you're Rambo-ing your house.

But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.

Plus, they all wear body armor. You may need hollow points. You can replace the walls. Safety is whats most important.


You'll need special teflon coated cop killer hollow point full metal jacket bullet casing shells loaded into a 30 round extended high capacity bullet clip magazine sheath holder that's clipped into a black military style automatic AK-47 assault semi-automatic glock M-16-60 rifle weapon with a barrel shroud. That'll get right through those bullet proof vests.
2013-01-28 04:24:57 PM
1 votes:

TheYeti: Sounds like there were a lot of other bargains to be had, though.


I'd have done the same thing if I lived out there. Take several grand in cash and buy all the $100 pistols, shotguns, and rifles I could carry. Then double and triple my money on gunbroker over then next few weeks.

What idiot turns in an operable gun for a gift card?

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I sure am glad they don't this kind of shiat where I live. I'd like to at least continue to have the illusion that the local police are competent.


^^^^
2013-01-28 04:24:29 PM
1 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Heh. Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!

Well, there's about an 11 out of 10 chance you're going to be home invaded, so it's important consider things like ammo that's less likely to give you hearing damage when you're Rambo-ing your house.

But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.



In all seriousness, way back when my wife and I had our first apartment in roach-infested Thug Town, I felt the serious need to have a loaded gun next to the bed - a full choke single shot 20 gauge.  IMO, it's some of the best home defense you can get.  You don't have to aim well and anything you hit is going to feel it.  Plus, it's going to wake the world and the round is less likely to fly into the neighbor's house and injure someone.
2013-01-28 04:20:35 PM
1 votes:
I've been collecting non-working crap firearms over the past year. Waiting for the next buyback around here and I will have more than enough for something new after turning these in. Last year's net was $1100 bucks.
2013-01-28 04:19:35 PM
1 votes:

UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!


I sent an email to CCI asking about 22lr. They actally replied, and said they are making 1.2 million rounds a day. Yet the stores are empty. Damn hoarders. I was at a gun show this weekend and douche-bags were selling boxes of 22lr that were going for $25 before the run on ammo for $75. Nothing like creating a panic and profiting off it.
2013-01-28 04:18:47 PM
1 votes:
Recoil Therapy: It's an empty (& non reloadable) fiberglass tube. Something somewhat cool to prop up in the corner of an office but nothing to get the vapors over.

Saw headline, thought "empty javelin or stinger tube".
2013-01-28 04:17:07 PM
1 votes:

DeathCipris: Comment FTA sums it up pretty well.

"A spent launch tube does not classify as a weapon unless you plan on using it as a club."


No no no no no this sums up very well FTFA....

He added that the private sales of the missile launch tube and other weapons illustrate the need for comprehensive background checks


If they can't dazzle people with brilliance they baffle them with bullshiat.
2013-01-28 04:16:27 PM
1 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.


I've never been hit with a .22 round, but this whole "I need a bullet that will stop a man in his tracks after one shot" mentality is a little odd.  A .22lr can still do plenty of damage, and if you remain calm and manage to get more than one into somebody, I doubt they're going to stick with their initial plan to rape your family.  They will most likely be trying to get the hell away from you.

I'm not saying you advocate this argument, just that I've seen it before.
2013-01-28 04:12:01 PM
1 votes:

Lsherm: UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

My Bass Pro had it.  But once people start panic-buying, they'll just stock up on whatever they think they'll need, and I imagine there are quite a few existing guns out there that can take a .22lr cartridge.


Also there was a decent surge of panic buying after Obama won, plus whatever the Mayan preppers were buying last minute. I don't think the supply chain had quite recovered when Sandy Hook and then Obama's announcements about gun control went down.

I'm suddenly glad I did an organized buy with some people for a couple pallets back in September.
2013-01-28 04:11:57 PM
1 votes:
The program allowed people to anonymously turn in their weapons for a shopping gift card worth up to $200 -- $100 for each handgun, rifle or shotgun turned in, and $200 for each gun classified as an assault weapon under state law.

so, are there any rifles, shotguns, or handguns under $100? if so, i might have found a problem with this plan
2013-01-28 04:10:50 PM
1 votes:

I_Am_Weasel: If I had a missile launcher, I'd make somebody pay.


Eh, there's no way you could kill even 1% as many children as Obama has with his missiles.
2013-01-28 04:10:00 PM
1 votes:
You guys seem to not realize that many rocket launchers are only 1 shot weapons and after that, they are about as useful as nipples on a bull.

The other ones, without the ammunition, are just as useful.

/ each round of which requires a permit and a background check
2013-01-28 04:09:57 PM
1 votes:
I think I'm going to go to the local surplus store and buy some trainer/spent LAW tubes. They're only like 15 bucks or so. Then I'm going to wait for the buyback program to happen in Memphis, and turn each of them in for 200 bucks.

That's 185 bucks net profit for each tube. WIN!
2013-01-28 04:07:59 PM
1 votes:

UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!


My Bass Pro had it.  But once people start panic-buying, they'll just stock up on whatever they think they'll need, and I imagine there are quite a few existing guns out there that can take a .22lr cartridge.
2013-01-28 04:05:38 PM
1 votes:
"Glock, Glock, AK-47, Glock, AK-47..."

The AK-47 is a Glock, silly subby!
2013-01-28 04:04:55 PM
1 votes:
Comment FTA sums it up pretty well.

"A spent launch tube does not classify as a weapon unless you plan on using it as a club."
2013-01-28 04:04:23 PM
1 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

People are buying 50 round drum magazines of it to load into their AR-15's for home defense.



Heh.  Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!
2013-01-28 04:01:00 PM
1 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Same thing happened in LA recently

/I think they were selling those things in surplus stores


Yep. It's not like the old bazookas that could be reloaded in the field with a new rocket.

It's a one-shot, disposable tube. You fire it, and that's it. Probably a Redeye or a Stinger.

I think the only reloadable rocket launchers (I'm not including grenade launchers) in the U.S. inventory is the Carl Gustav and the M202 FLASH (the boxy quad launcher Arnold used in "Commando"), and only a few Special Ops dudes have those.
2013-01-28 03:38:04 PM
1 votes:
If I had a missile launcher, I'd make somebody pay.
2013-01-28 03:14:26 PM
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!"


Tell me about it.  Some sporting goods stores moved all of their 9mm, 45 ACP, .22, etc. ect. behind the damn counter.  And they are completely out of most of it.  Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

A buddy of mine from the service used to go out to the range (off-base) all the time when we served.  That was right when the weapons ban and magazine restrictions were implemented.  I don't remember it being anywhere near this crazy.
2013-01-28 02:45:33 PM
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: No it's for when the get away car is almost at the end of the street.


zero survivors


Well that's certainly how I used mine in Liberty City.
2013-01-28 02:36:18 PM
1 votes:

UberDave: For use in home defense...when your attacker/intruder brings a brigade or two of thugs along.


No it's for when the get away car is almost at the end of the street.


zero survivors
2013-01-28 02:19:41 PM
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