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2013-01-28 05:58:22 PM  

hamdinger: It's so funny. When I say every gun owner is a tobacco-dipping, toothless, uneducated hick revolutionary domestic terrorist, they act like it's an unfair stereotype and I'm some sort of "gun-grabber."

But a bunch of gun-toting sissypantses saying that all journalists are stupid and lazy - every last one of 'em? That's totally cool.


Trollin' a little hard there ain't ya?
*spits*
 
2013-01-28 05:58:46 PM  

Lsherm: BronyMedic: scubamage: FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall

No choke, and rock salt rounds if you feel bad about killing someone. It won't kill them, but it'll make them wish they were dead.

That apparently really, really depends on the distance.

Is there anyone who even sells rock salt shells or is it the kind of thing you have to make on your own?  I've never actually met anyone who has used them.


Looks like these guys do - along with a bunch of other types.

Link
 
2013-01-28 06:02:01 PM  

Lsherm: tallguywithglasseson: But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.

I've never been hit with a .22 round, but this whole "I need a bullet that will stop a man in his tracks after one shot" mentality is a little odd.  A .22lr can still do plenty of damage, and if you remain calm and manage to get more than one into somebody, I doubt they're going to stick with their initial plan to rape your family.  They will most likely be trying to get the hell away from you.

I'm not saying you advocate this argument, just that I've seen it before.


The whole "stopping power" thing is a myth.

And the .22 cal kills more people in the US than any other round.

/Of course, that's probably a function of popularity
//But then, it also means it works just fine
 
2013-01-28 06:05:05 PM  
This was a Stinger tube, not a LAW or something else you can buy. Somebody was very bad to take this off base; not dangerous but very, very illegal.
 
2013-01-28 06:05:16 PM  

hamdinger: It's so funny. When I say every gun owner is a tobacco-dipping, toothless, uneducated hick revolutionary domestic terrorist, they act like it's an unfair stereotype and I'm some sort of "gun-grabber."

But a bunch of gun-toting sissypantses saying that all journalists are stupid and lazy - every last one of 'em? That's totally cool.


Think about science journalism in the popular press and tell me it's not true.
 
2013-01-28 06:10:10 PM  

vygramul: hamdinger: It's so funny. When I say every gun owner is a tobacco-dipping, toothless, uneducated hick revolutionary domestic terrorist, they act like it's an unfair stereotype and I'm some sort of "gun-grabber."

But a bunch of gun-toting sissypantses saying that all journalists are stupid and lazy - every last one of 'em? That's totally cool.

Think about science journalism in the popular press and tell me it's not true.


Wait, so the Space Shuttle wasn't moving 18 times the speed of light?
 
2013-01-28 06:12:03 PM  

cretinbob: The single-use device is a launch tube assembly for a Stinger portable surface-to-air missile and already had been used.

Anyone point that out yet?
It's not a missile launcher, it's literally a piece of garbage.
Whoever turned it in should have gotten nothing or arrested for fraud.


The two of them that were turned in LA were similar. I think one of them had never been fired in the first place and was then rendered permanently disabled and the other one was a demo model which could never be modded to fire

but omg. rockets.
 
2013-01-28 06:16:51 PM  

BronyMedic: Has anyone notice that in EVERY gun buyback program, some idiot has turned in a rather rare, discontinued or antique firearm that would be worth FAR more than a 200 dollar gift card - like in the thousands area - for chump change?


I would guess that it was stolen.

I don't understand this program or the people that turn their guns in.
 
2013-01-28 06:17:21 PM  

UberDave: Because People in power are Stupid: (pic of Davy Crockett bomb)


For use in home defense...when your attacker/intruder brings a brigade or two of thugs along.


Not unheard of in east la
 
2013-01-28 06:17:51 PM  
LAW tube + bottle rocket = weapon

/over 7 years ago
 
2013-01-28 06:18:19 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: UberDave: I don't know what you are thinking here.

Well, before I go any farther, let me ask you this: have you actually tested your setup, and if so what is your spread at the range you will be shooting, and how many layers of sheetrock did you penetrate? I've done my own tests, and they pretty much match the findings over at box-o-truth. I had very little spread at 10' (my margin of error is now measured at maaaaaybe 2", which while technically better than .45" still isn't 'kinda point at the bad guy and knock him down' territory), and I'll still easily go through one residential wall. Personally, I don't really see than as a whole hell of a lot better than a pistol. I still have to aim pretty well, and in most places in my apartment if I only have one wall between me and killing (or at least hurting) my neighbor.

Look, I'm not knocking your choice of weapon. All I'm saying is it just might not be exactly what you think it is.


Yes, I've done all manner of "testing" on sheetrock, brick, wood, cardboard, particle board, plywood, etc., etc.  And with #8 all the way down to 00 and non-sabot rifled slugs. At 10' there's a good chance the wadding will get penetration much less the pellets.  But I do know a single layer of sheetrock (or just about anything really...hell, even cardboard) is going to slow the hell out of the pellets.  And with most apartments, you have two layers of sheetrock.  And with a house, there's a layer of sheetrock and at least siding to go through.  I single bullet from a relatively HV gun could easily penetrate both layers and be lethal to quite a nice distance.

And I never said the shotgun wouldn't penetrate.  I said it would be *less* likely to injure your neighbors and it certainly will.

Back in the day, I had to carry 870 for a bit (in the service...I own a pre-86 Wingmaster).  At the range, we were putting non-magnum 00 on 1/4 plywood fronted with cardboard at 25 feet.  We were blowing some nice holes but I was surprised how fast the pellets slowed after penetrating the wood (based on +5' wood backing)...I'm talking non lethal at a reasonable distance beyond.  We were even finding stuck pellets trying to exit the wood.  I chalked it up to a bad loads at the time.
 
2013-01-28 06:24:02 PM  

justtray:

Plus, they all wear body armor. You may need hollow points. You can replace the walls. Safety is whats most important.


You know how I know you're a moron?
 
2013-01-28 06:24:41 PM  

AbbeySomeone: BronyMedic: Has anyone notice that in EVERY gun buyback program, some idiot has turned in a rather rare, discontinued or antique firearm that would be worth FAR more than a 200 dollar gift card - like in the thousands area - for chump change?

I would guess that it was stolen.

I don't understand this program or the people that turn their guns in.


I have turned in broken firearms that are dangerous to shoot, have no value as collectibles or display items, and are more expensive to repair than buying new.

/Should have fixed the stock of the 1888 Mauser - that was a fine weapon, but it was also throated.  ~$100 to replace, $350 to repair.  Stock broken during a move.
 
2013-01-28 06:25:24 PM  

vygramul: Lsherm: Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!" if these buyback programs really WERE getting AK after AK I think I'd set up a booth myself.

I went to Bass Pro this weekend because I wanted to pick up a Henry Golden Boy and there was a jackass at the counter screaming about not being able to get an XM-15 (I think) because they didn't have any in stock.  I don't think there's a gun store in the state of Virginia that has a semiautomatic rifle left, at least not ones that shoot NATO rounds.

Stopped by a store for some 12 gauge ammo and they were out of semi-autos and don't even ask about mags.  They did have an upper with grenade launcher, but the guys said they think the owner's not selling it.


I'm kind of sad. After our house was robbed last year my fiance and I picked up a pistol (Ruger SR9 if you're interested, great little gun, lots of extra safety features to help her feel comfortable), so for the long expanses of time when I'm not home my fiance has an extra line of defense after our big-arse ferocious greyhound (if you've ever had a grey you know how threatening they are, lol).

Picked up a 60 pack of generic cartridges, along with a 20 pack of home defense rounds. I wanted to pick up another 200 pack to help her learn to shoot better but last time i looked wally world had them at almost 70$ a pack. It hasn't come back down, when they have them. Wish I had picked them up earlier. Oh wells.
 
2013-01-28 06:25:38 PM  

UberDave: Yes, I've done all manner of "testing" on sheetrock, brick, wood, cardboard, particle board, plywood, etc., etc. And with #8 all the way down to 00 and non-sabot rifled slugs.


Ok. Just checking, most people won't do that, they'll just repeat what they've heard.

UberDave: And I never said the shotgun wouldn't penetrate. I said it would be *less* likely to injure your neighbors and it certainly will.


Somewhat, yes. For me, going through one wall is the same as going through five, since that's all I have between me and my neighbor. I know I can send birdshot through that wall, and I won't use use birdshot as a personal defense round if I can help it, and I can help it.
 
2013-01-28 06:27:55 PM  
o5iiawah:Makes me wish I had bought a few crates of Mosin-nagants and Norinco SKS rifles pre-hysteria. Shiat, you could get a crate of 20 mosins for $1,000

It can be better than that.   I bought 20ish 'gunsmith special' Mosins (functional but missing minor parts here & there) from 4 different Eastern Block countries for $400 with the intent of combining them to make complete ones.  I figured that out of each group of 5 I could make 4 complete ones & then give 1 to each of my kids (instant collection starter or if you're in the media, instant arsenal...), 1 for me & 1 junker.  Of course, as with most other projects around here very little was done on them over the years & they are still in assorted piles of parts down in the basement.  If they ever have a buy back around here I'll need to throw a bunch of parts together to make a 'working' rifle & help the community out by getting these eeeevil baby killers off of the streets (with a gain to me of $80 ea if they're giving $100 per)..... ow, I think I just sprained something rolling my eyes so hard.

Sadly, or thankfully, people around here seem to think that the buy backs are as idiotic as they sound & don't have them unless a local politician really needs some face time on the nooze.
 
KIA
2013-01-28 06:28:18 PM  
So, uhh... anyone know whether my friend's discarded LAW tube is legal / worth anything? I understand it was used for training purposes for a few years, then given away to anyone who wanted it as a curio :)
 
2013-01-28 06:30:00 PM  
So, I'm happy to report that apparantly, you don't have to wait 10 days to get a pistol in Tennessee anymore.

I got my gun, I'm happy. It's a .40 S&W 99, the licensed American production version of the Walther P99. Only problem is the sights are faded, but I plan on replacing them with night sights for concealed carry.
 
2013-01-28 06:30:56 PM  

scubamage: Picked up a 60 pack of generic cartridges, along with a 20 pack of home defense rounds. I wanted to pick up another 200 pack to help her learn to shoot better but last time i looked wally world had them at almost 70$ a pack. It hasn't come back down, when they have them. Wish I had picked them up earlier. Oh wells.


I've got more target loads than I'm likely to use in the next couple of years.  Not since I moved to Charlottesville, where the only range is at a club that I'm not really interested in joining.
 
2013-01-28 06:31:10 PM  
vygramul:

And the .22 cal kills more people in the US than any other round.

/Of course, that's probably a function of popularity
//But then, it also means it works just fine



I didn't know this.  But I can definitely see that.

CSB: In my youth, a friend and I were out hunting squirrel in the national forest during the rut and for some dumb reason we only took our .22s (no deer rifle).  We're sitting up about 40 yards apart and across this gully comes this 8-point.  My friend who was using CCI Stingers takes aim and fires.  The deer goes down like a sack of bricks....not even a twitch.  We walk over and get to within about 30 yards and that thing jumps up and hauls ass.  We look around and there's a tiny little drop of blood and that's it.  My friend aimed for the head.  I think that hollow point hit the hard bone on the head and came apart but knocked the deer unconscious.

My only remark was, "well...this is why we don't shoot deer with .22s...and leave our deer rifles at camp."
 
2013-01-28 06:31:35 PM  

KIA: So, uhh... anyone know whether my friend's discarded LAW tube is legal / worth anything? I understand it was used for training purposes for a few years, then given away to anyone who wanted it as a curio :)


Is it blue?
 
2013-01-28 06:33:39 PM  

KIA: So, uhh... anyone know whether my friend's discarded LAW tube is legal / worth anything? I understand it was used for training purposes for a few years, then given away to anyone who wanted it as a curio :)


If it was a training LAW, it has a way to load a 9mm Tracer round in it IIRC. I'd be holding onto it if I were you.
 
2013-01-28 06:33:48 PM  

KIA: So, uhh... anyone know whether my friend's discarded LAW tube is legal / worth anything? I understand it was used for training purposes for a few years, then given away to anyone who wanted it as a curio :)


I've seen used LAW tubes in surplus stores for between $75 - $100. Doesn't mean they were selling for that price, or at least not flying off the shelf...I'd put one in my garage/man cave for $25 or $30, but that's about it...
 
2013-01-28 06:35:51 PM  

BronyMedic: So, I'm happy to report that apparantly, you don't have to wait 10 days to get a pistol in Tennessee anymore.

I got my gun, I'm happy. It's a .40 S&W 99, the licensed American production version of the Walther P99. Only problem is the sights are faded, but I plan on replacing them with night sights for concealed carry.


nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D
 
2013-01-28 06:35:52 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: UberDave: For use in home defense...when your attacker/intruder brings a brigade or two of thugs along.

No it's for when the get away car is almost at the end of the street.


zero survivors


......in a different city. No sure if you know what the picture of the weapon is of? hint: google M-29 Davy Crockett tactical nuclear recoilless gun
 
2013-01-28 06:38:26 PM  

UberDave:
No.  If I'm running high-brass squirrel shot through a full choke 20 gauge, I do *not* have to aim well....especially within the confines of a home.  Or do you actually think by "not aim well" I mean "point the gun 180 degrees away from your target"?  Of course you have to point at the damn target (or in the case of a shotgun, in the vicinity of the target).


And are you saying that a shotgun blast is *just as likely* (notice I said "less likely" in my statement) to fly into your neighbor's house and injure someone as a bullet?  Again, no.  A jacketed conical round flying at 2900+ feet a second is going to go right through the wall of your house, keep going and penetrate your neighbor's house if it is in the way.  A wad of round pellets flying at ~1300 feet a second isn't going to do the same by a long shot.

I don't know what you are thinking here.  Maybe you think I'm advocating a gun ban because "shotguns are just fine for defense."  Not at all.  If you want to mount a tripod and 50mm chain cannon on the other side of your front door, the more power to you.


Sounds like a job for the Box o' Truth
 
2013-01-28 06:38:39 PM  

BronyMedic: KIA: So, uhh... anyone know whether my friend's discarded LAW tube is legal / worth anything? I understand it was used for training purposes for a few years, then given away to anyone who wanted it as a curio :)

If it was a training LAW, it has a way to load a 9mm Tracer round in it IIRC. I'd be holding onto it if I were you.


FYI you have unrelated email. Also no BIE.
 
2013-01-28 06:39:22 PM  

please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D


Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".
 
2013-01-28 06:40:10 PM  

Recoil Therapy: o5iiawah:Makes me wish I had bought a few crates of Mosin-nagants and Norinco SKS rifles pre-hysteria. Shiat, you could get a crate of 20 mosins for $1,000

It can be better than that.   I bought 20ish 'gunsmith special' Mosins (functional but missing minor parts here & there) from 4 different Eastern Block countries for $400 with the intent of combining them to make complete ones.  I figured that out of each group of 5 I could make 4 complete ones & then give 1 to each of my kids (instant collection starter or if you're in the media, instant arsenal...), 1 for me & 1 junker.  Of course, as with most other projects around here very little was done on them over the years & they are still in assorted piles of parts down in the basement.  If they ever have a buy back around here I'll need to throw a bunch of parts together to make a 'working' rifle & help the community out by getting these eeeevil baby killers off of the streets (with a gain to me of $80 ea if they're giving $100 per)..... ow, I think I just sprained something rolling my eyes so hard.

Sadly, or thankfully, people around here seem to think that the buy backs are as idiotic as they sound & don't have them unless a local politician really needs some face time on the nooze.


email saved for future reference.
 
2013-01-28 06:40:30 PM  

UberDave: Noticeably F.A.T.: UberDave: I don't know what you are thinking here.

Well, before I go any farther, let me ask you this: have you actually tested your setup, and if so what is your spread at the range you will be shooting, and how many layers of sheetrock did you penetrate? I've done my own tests, and they pretty much match the findings over at box-o-truth. I had very little spread at 10' (my margin of error is now measured at maaaaaybe 2", which while technically better than .45" still isn't 'kinda point at the bad guy and knock him down' territory), and I'll still easily go through one residential wall. Personally, I don't really see than as a whole hell of a lot better than a pistol. I still have to aim pretty well, and in most places in my apartment if I only have one wall between me and killing (or at least hurting) my neighbor.

Look, I'm not knocking your choice of weapon. All I'm saying is it just might not be exactly what you think it is.

Yes, I've done all manner of "testing" on sheetrock, brick, wood, cardboard, particle board, plywood, etc., etc.  And with #8 all the way down to 00 and non-sabot rifled slugs. At 10' there's a good chance the wadding will get penetration much less the pellets.  But I do know a single layer of sheetrock (or just about anything really...hell, even cardboard) is going to slow the hell out of the pellets.  And with most apartments, you have two layers of sheetrock.  And with a house, there's a layer of sheetrock and at least siding to go through.  I single bullet from a relatively HV gun could easily penetrate both layers and be lethal to quite a nice distance.

And I never said the shotgun wouldn't penetrate.  I said it would be *less* likely to injure your neighbors and it certainly will.

Back in the day, I had to carry 870 for a bit (in the service...I own a pre-86 Wingmaster).  At the range, we were putting non-magnum 00 on 1/4 plywood fronted with cardboard at 25 feet.  We were blowing some nice holes but I was surpr ...


00 is effective close up, but slows down fast. I have taken plenty of deer with it though, despite what the internet know-it-alls say.

csb time - working in the butts in Marine basic I often pulled rounds out of the canvas target that got stuck - undoubtedly bad rounds, but still surprising and interesting.
 
2013-01-28 06:43:31 PM  

UberDave: Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!"

Tell me about it.  Some sporting goods stores moved all of their 9mm, 45 ACP, .22, etc. ect. behind the damn counter.  And they are completely out of most of it.  Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

A buddy of mine from the service used to go out to the range (off-base) all the time when we served.  That was right when the weapons ban and magazine restrictions were implemented.  I don't remember it being anywhere near this crazy.


I think we had a discussion about the ammo situation and Walmart once before. Damned if you werent right. The only thing left were shotgun shells. We have a large gun shop locally that still has a ton of all varieties of ammo at reasonable prices. 9 mm target rounds were only $16.99 a box. You could get a box of 500 .22lr for like $30. They also still had quite a few AR and AR type rifles still but I did not check the prices. I have no use for one really.

/the reason they still have ammo is because of a strict 2 box per type per day policy.
//our local Walmarts are not going to restock and are getting rid of their firearms sections altogether
///overheard more than one person talking to the guys behind the counter and asking questions about what type of gun would they recommend for someone who has never shot one before. Its kind of scary to think that all of a sudden you have a lot of people out there with guns and no experience who only bought one because they think Obama will be banning them all.
 
2013-01-28 06:43:46 PM  

BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".


yup, there is already "gun control". The debate is just where the line is. i think things are fine as-is, but there are a few measures I wouldn't get too twisted about. I don't think picking and choosing models within the same type is effective though, they can just change the name.

Have you shot it? How do you like it?
 
2013-01-28 06:45:05 PM  

vygramul: hamdinger: It's so funny. When I say every gun owner is a tobacco-dipping, toothless, uneducated hick revolutionary domestic terrorist, they act like it's an unfair stereotype and I'm some sort of "gun-grabber."

But a bunch of gun-toting sissypantses saying that all journalists are stupid and lazy - every last one of 'em? That's totally cool.

Think about science journalism in the popular press and tell me it's not true.


This.

Every single time I read a popular press article about something I have detailed knowledge of, they get something major fundamentally *WRONG*. And that's just science stuff they could look up with very minimal effort.

So why should I trust them to report on other subjects if they can't get something relatively simple like science reporting right?

/Science is, at its heart, pretty damned simple.
 
2013-01-28 06:45:17 PM  

Recoil Therapy: o5iiawah:Makes me wish I had bought a few crates of Mosin-nagants and Norinco SKS rifles pre-hysteria. Shiat, you could get a crate of 20 mosins for $1,000

It can be better than that.   I bought 20ish 'gunsmith special' Mosins (functional but missing minor parts here & there) from 4 different Eastern Block countries for $400 with the intent of combining them to make complete ones.  I figured that out of each group of 5 I could make 4 complete ones & then give 1 to each of my kids (instant collection starter or if you're in the media, instant arsenal...), 1 for me & 1 junker.  Of course, as with most other projects around here very little was done on them over the years & they are still in assorted piles of parts down in the basement.  If they ever have a buy back around here I'll need to throw a bunch of parts together to make a 'working' rifle & help the community out by getting these eeeevil baby killers off of the streets (with a gain to me of $80 ea if they're giving $100 per)..... ow, I think I just sprained something rolling my eyes so hard.

Sadly, or thankfully, people around here seem to think that the buy backs are as idiotic as they sound & don't have them unless a local politician really needs some face time on the nooze.


Mosins are my favorite project guns. I wish I lived near you, I take a couple off yours hands...
 
2013-01-28 06:47:09 PM  

please: Recoil Therapy: o5iiawah:Makes me wish I had bought a few crates of Mosin-nagants and Norinco SKS rifles pre-hysteria. Shiat, you could get a crate of 20 mosins for $1,000

Sadly, or thankfully, people around here seem to think that the buy backs are as idiotic as they sound & don't have them unless a local politician really needs some face time on the nooze.

Mosins are my favorite project guns. I wish I lived near you, I take a couple off yours hands...


Few things are more awesome during northeast winters than taking a beaten, abused, dinged and pitted mosin-nagant stock and doing a complete refinish.
 
2013-01-28 06:47:18 PM  

BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".


Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.
 
2013-01-28 06:47:53 PM  

please: Have you shot it? How do you like it?


I have not yet. I'm about to go to the gun range in the morning and shoot some rounds off. I've shot .40 Glocks, though, and thought the recoil wasn't too bad.

please: I don't think picking and choosing models within the same type is effective though, they can just change the name.


I tend to generally agree, but I do think certain models, based on the features they have - including semi-automatic handguns - should require more in depth of a check in regards to mental health (maybe requiring a doctor's signature that you're of sound mind?) and interconnected ability to search multiple databases for issues.

I think it's far too easy for the mentally ill in America to get their hands on weapons.
 
2013-01-28 06:48:51 PM  

Lsherm: Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.


It's 12 here, IIRC, for the basic permit and you have to pass four hours of range time. The only good thing is that it's a Shall Issue state, so there aren't any additional hurdles to jump through once I pass the class.
 
2013-01-28 06:50:12 PM  
That's nothing. My dad's freind's Father had a M72 LAW. He and his friends would use it to fire bottle rockets.
 
2013-01-28 06:50:37 PM  

Lsherm: BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".

Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.


Clark Bros. on rte 29 in Warrenton offers one every Saturday at 8am.  (Call first to ensure space.)  About an hour from DC, Charlottesville, Fredericksburg, and just a little more from Richmond.
 
2013-01-28 06:51:43 PM  

vygramul: Lsherm: BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".

Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.

Clark Bros. on rte 29 in Warrenton offers one every Saturday at 8am.  (Call first to ensure space.)  About an hour from DC, Charlottesville, Fredericksburg, and just a little more from Richmond.


Wasn't VA the state that caused so much drama by accepting an online certificate for CCW for a few years?
 
2013-01-28 06:51:52 PM  

Richard C Stanford: That's nothing. My dad's freind's Father had a M72 LAW. He and his friends would use it to fire bottle rockets.


5" shell casing makes for a decent umbrella stand.
 
2013-01-28 06:52:15 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I know that the thread has already reached derp level 9 but I'd like to point out that the AVERAGE PERSON can't tell the difference between a spent rocket tube and "AHHHHHHH!!!! A BAZOOKA!!!!" which is why there are laws against their sale in the first place. It's borderline useless as a weapon (they make an unwieldy club) but can easily be used to incite panic under the right circumstances.


Yeah, well the ladies say the same thing about my wang.
 
2013-01-28 06:53:01 PM  

BronyMedic: Wasn't VA the state that caused so much drama by accepting an online certificate for CCW for a few years?


I don't recall that.  I lost my first certificate, so I have to take the class again - but that would be fine.  The law has changed and I could use a refresher.
 
2013-01-28 06:53:05 PM  

Lsherm: BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".

Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.


In PA they have to prove reasoning to deny you a concealed carry permit, which everyone really should get just because of some of the dumbarse laws we have (set your pistol on the back of your car at the range - that's a felony, stop for dinner after shooting - same thing, but neither one is if you have a concealed carry permit).

Though I think folks who do intend to carry really should sign up for some classes. There's a ton of private companies to go through. Something which ends with you training with a MOUT course would be the best. I'm fine with you wanting to concealed carry, or open carry, just know how to use the thing in the situation for which you are carrying it.

/liberal gun owner
//loves his rights, but ok with some minor tweaks to current controls
 
2013-01-28 06:53:37 PM  

BronyMedic: please: Have you shot it? How do you like it?

I have not yet. I'm about to go to the gun range in the morning and shoot some rounds off. I've shot .40 Glocks, though, and thought the recoil wasn't too bad.

please: I don't think picking and choosing models within the same type is effective though, they can just change the name.

I tend to generally agree, but I do think certain models, based on the features they have - including semi-automatic handguns - should require more in depth of a check in regards to mental health (maybe requiring a doctor's signature that you're of sound mind?) and interconnected ability to search multiple databases for issues.

I think it's far too easy for the mentally ill in America to get their hands on weapons.



I agree. I also think that if you are willing to take effective training and have a clean record and no significant mental illness, you should be able to purchase anything up to belt fed 7.62.
 
2013-01-28 06:55:27 PM  

vygramul: Lsherm: BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".

Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.

Clark Bros. on rte 29 in Warrenton offers one every Saturday at 8am.  (Call first to ensure space.)  About an hour from DC, Charlottesville, Fredericksburg, and just a little more from Richmond.


Nah - these guys offer classes at my Bass Pro shop and at a range near Kings Dominion, which is tons closer.

I don't really need a carry permit, though.
 
2013-01-28 06:56:55 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: you should be able to purchase anything up to belt fed 7.62.


Well, yeah, if you have 25 grand to drop.

I'd be going the hookers and blow route, myself.

/I've thought about getting my pyrotechnics technician license to get around that pesky "Destructive Device" law.
 
2013-01-28 07:01:09 PM  

BronyMedic: globalwarmingpraiser: you should be able to purchase anything up to belt fed 7.62.

Well, yeah, if you have 25 grand to drop.

I'd be going the hookers and blow route, myself.

/I've thought about getting my pyrotechnics technician license to get around that pesky "Destructive Device" law.



If you could buy new, the prices would drop precipitously. Ammo would be a killer though.
 
2013-01-28 07:02:23 PM  

BronyMedic: Wasn't VA the state that caused so much drama by accepting an online certificate for CCW for a few years?


Yeah, that was us.

As near as I can tell, you can still do it online.  You have to take the class, but it doesn't require a live fire demonstration, so once you pass the test, you can print out a certificate and use it to apply for a CCW permit.  Turns out they took away the time requirement, too.

Sample question (T/F):   Mechanical safeties are fool-proof and will never fail.
 
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