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2013-01-28 02:15:32 PM  
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2013-01-28 02:16:21 PM  
So that's where my missile launcher wound up. Wonder if I can get it back?
 
2013-01-28 02:19:41 PM  
 
2013-01-28 02:21:38 PM  
Same thing happened in LA recently

/I think they were selling those things in surplus stores
 
2013-01-28 02:21:49 PM  
If we outlaw missile launchers, then only outlaws will launch missiles.
 
2013-01-28 02:26:33 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: (pic of Davy Crockett bomb)



For use in home defense...when your attacker/intruder brings a brigade or two of thugs along.
 
2013-01-28 02:36:18 PM  

UberDave: For use in home defense...when your attacker/intruder brings a brigade or two of thugs along.


No it's for when the get away car is almost at the end of the street.


zero survivors
 
2013-01-28 02:45:33 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: No it's for when the get away car is almost at the end of the street.


zero survivors


Well that's certainly how I used mine in Liberty City.
 
2013-01-28 02:48:48 PM  
Eh, the device was deployed. It's the gun equivalent of finding a used condom.
 
2013-01-28 02:58:35 PM  
With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!" if these buyback programs really WERE getting AK after AK I think I'd set up a booth myself.
 
2013-01-28 03:14:26 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!"


Tell me about it.  Some sporting goods stores moved all of their 9mm, 45 ACP, .22, etc. ect. behind the damn counter.  And they are completely out of most of it.  Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

A buddy of mine from the service used to go out to the range (off-base) all the time when we served.  That was right when the weapons ban and magazine restrictions were implemented.  I don't remember it being anywhere near this crazy.
 
2013-01-28 03:38:04 PM  
If I had a missile launcher, I'd make somebody pay.
 
2013-01-28 03:40:18 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!" if these buyback programs really WERE getting AK after AK I think I'd set up a booth myself.


I went to Bass Pro this weekend because I wanted to pick up a Henry Golden Boy and there was a jackass at the counter screaming about not being able to get an XM-15 (I think) because they didn't have any in stock.  I don't think there's a gun store in the state of Virginia that has a semiautomatic rifle left, at least not ones that shoot NATO rounds.
 
2013-01-28 03:50:13 PM  

ajgeek: Eh, the device was deployed. It's the gun equivalent of finding a used condom.


Just repeating this as there will be someone who comes along hyperventilating about Stinger missiles out in the general public's hands & how airliners are going to be falling from the skies like snowflakes in Alaska.

It's an empty (& non reloadable) fiberglass tube.  Something somewhat cool to prop up in the corner of an office but nothing to get the vapors over.  $25-50 at most surplus stores (when you can find them) & apparently a very good investment as you can now get a couple hundred for them at these asinine gun 'buy backs'.  I need to see if I can get a pallet of them at the next .gov surplus auction.  I should be able to make enough from them that, even at today's hyper inflated prices, I could convert it to one of those scary looking black rifles & still pocket some money.
 
2013-01-28 03:53:34 PM  

UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!


People are buying 50 round drum magazines of it to load into their AR-15's for home defense.
 
2013-01-28 03:57:56 PM  
Wow, an empty, non-reusable tube. The horror. I like how the authorities intimated that it was dangerous. To who? It's only dangerous to the people who sponsored the buy-back and the police who depend upon you to believe everything you hear.

348 pistols and 364 rifles? I wonder how many crimes they just paid for the privilege of leaving open. 3 "street sweepers"? OH NOES! They are such amazing instruments of crime that they haven't been used in any that I can think of, and the possession of which did not result in the arrest of the person carrying an unregistered NFA Destructive Device.

I sure am glad they don't this kind of shiat where I live. I'd like to at least continue to have the illusion that the local police are competent.
 
2013-01-28 04:01:00 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Same thing happened in LA recently

/I think they were selling those things in surplus stores


Yep. It's not like the old bazookas that could be reloaded in the field with a new rocket.

It's a one-shot, disposable tube. You fire it, and that's it. Probably a Redeye or a Stinger.

I think the only reloadable rocket launchers (I'm not including grenade launchers) in the U.S. inventory is the Carl Gustav and the M202 FLASH (the boxy quad launcher Arnold used in "Commando"), and only a few Special Ops dudes have those.
 
2013-01-28 04:04:23 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

People are buying 50 round drum magazines of it to load into their AR-15's for home defense.



Heh.  Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!
 
2013-01-28 04:04:55 PM  
Comment FTA sums it up pretty well.

"A spent launch tube does not classify as a weapon unless you plan on using it as a club."
 
2013-01-28 04:05:21 PM  

Lsherm: Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!" if these buyback programs really WERE getting AK after AK I think I'd set up a booth myself.

I went to Bass Pro this weekend because I wanted to pick up a Henry Golden Boy and there was a jackass at the counter screaming about not being able to get an XM-15 (I think) because they didn't have any in stock.  I don't think there's a gun store in the state of Virginia that has a semiautomatic rifle left, at least not ones that shoot NATO rounds.


At the local firearms store, pretty much the only thing they weren't out of were customers waving cash shouting, "Shut up and take my money!"
 
2013-01-28 04:05:29 PM  
Another month, another Fark story of idiots making a big deal out of one-use launcher tubes, of which you can buy all over the place.
 
2013-01-28 04:05:38 PM  
"Glock, Glock, AK-47, Glock, AK-47..."

The AK-47 is a Glock, silly subby!
 
2013-01-28 04:07:59 PM  

UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!


My Bass Pro had it.  But once people start panic-buying, they'll just stock up on whatever they think they'll need, and I imagine there are quite a few existing guns out there that can take a .22lr cartridge.
 
2013-01-28 04:08:25 PM  

UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!


Because lots of folks have converted their ARs to shoot .22lr.
 
2013-01-28 04:09:48 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

People are buying 50 round drum magazines of it to load into their AR-15's for home defense.


I think you need a conversion kit for that to work.
 
2013-01-28 04:09:57 PM  
I think I'm going to go to the local surplus store and buy some trainer/spent LAW tubes. They're only like 15 bucks or so. Then I'm going to wait for the buyback program to happen in Memphis, and turn each of them in for 200 bucks.

That's 185 bucks net profit for each tube. WIN!
 
2013-01-28 04:10:00 PM  
You guys seem to not realize that many rocket launchers are only 1 shot weapons and after that, they are about as useful as nipples on a bull.

The other ones, without the ammunition, are just as useful.

/ each round of which requires a permit and a background check
 
2013-01-28 04:10:19 PM  
Use of 'wait, what?' in Fark headlines at an all-time low... wait, what?

/I know, welcome to Fa... wait, what?
 
2013-01-28 04:10:23 PM  

Ow! That was my feelings!: UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

Because lots of folks have converted their ARs to shoot .22lr.


Makes sense, you'll save a ton on ammo.
 
2013-01-28 04:10:45 PM  

Lsherm: I think you need a conversion kit for that to work.


Not really, although it puts some strain on the magazine catch due to the weight. The top of the drum magazines are standard STANAG-shaped.
 
2013-01-28 04:10:50 PM  

I_Am_Weasel: If I had a missile launcher, I'd make somebody pay.


Eh, there's no way you could kill even 1% as many children as Obama has with his missiles.
 
2013-01-28 04:11:31 PM  

UberDave: Heh. Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!


Well, there's about an 11 out of 10 chance you're going to be home invaded, so it's important consider things like ammo that's less likely to give you hearing damage when you're Rambo-ing your house.

But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.
 
2013-01-28 04:11:57 PM  
The program allowed people to anonymously turn in their weapons for a shopping gift card worth up to $200 -- $100 for each handgun, rifle or shotgun turned in, and $200 for each gun classified as an assault weapon under state law.

so, are there any rifles, shotguns, or handguns under $100? if so, i might have found a problem with this plan
 
2013-01-28 04:12:01 PM  

Lsherm: UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

My Bass Pro had it.  But once people start panic-buying, they'll just stock up on whatever they think they'll need, and I imagine there are quite a few existing guns out there that can take a .22lr cartridge.


Also there was a decent surge of panic buying after Obama won, plus whatever the Mayan preppers were buying last minute. I don't think the supply chain had quite recovered when Sandy Hook and then Obama's announcements about gun control went down.

I'm suddenly glad I did an organized buy with some people for a couple pallets back in September.
 
2013-01-28 04:13:35 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Wow, an empty, non-reusable tube. The horror. I like how the authorities intimated that it was dangerous. To who? It's only dangerous to the people who sponsored the buy-back and the police who depend upon you to believe everything you hear.

348 pistols and 364 rifles? I wonder how many crimes they just paid for the privilege of leaving open. 3 "street sweepers"? OH NOES! They are such amazing instruments of crime that they haven't been used in any that I can think of, and the possession of which did not result in the arrest of the person carrying an unregistered NFA Destructive Device.

I sure am glad they don't this kind of shiat where I live. I'd like to at least continue to have the illusion that the local police are competent.


But but i thought guns are easy enough to make and if they werent available criminals would just make explosives. Are you now saying that was a total lie? No..... Couldnt be....
 
2013-01-28 04:14:18 PM  

It's Me Bender: I_Am_Weasel: If I had a missile launcher, I'd make somebody pay.

Eh, there's no way you could kill even 1% as many children as Obama has with his missiles.


How many children has obama killed?
 
2013-01-28 04:15:47 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Heh. Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!

Well, there's about an 11 out of 10 chance you're going to be home invaded, so it's important consider things like ammo that's less likely to give you hearing damage when you're Rambo-ing your house.

But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.


Plus, they all wear body armor. You may need hollow points. You can replace the walls. Safety is whats most important.
 
2013-01-28 04:16:27 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.


I've never been hit with a .22 round, but this whole "I need a bullet that will stop a man in his tracks after one shot" mentality is a little odd.  A .22lr can still do plenty of damage, and if you remain calm and manage to get more than one into somebody, I doubt they're going to stick with their initial plan to rape your family.  They will most likely be trying to get the hell away from you.

I'm not saying you advocate this argument, just that I've seen it before.
 
2013-01-28 04:17:07 PM  

DeathCipris: Comment FTA sums it up pretty well.

"A spent launch tube does not classify as a weapon unless you plan on using it as a club."


No no no no no this sums up very well FTFA....

He added that the private sales of the missile launch tube and other weapons illustrate the need for comprehensive background checks


If they can't dazzle people with brilliance they baffle them with bullshiat.
 
2013-01-28 04:17:31 PM  

UberDave: Because People in power are Stupid: (pic of Davy Crockett bomb)


For use in home defense...when your attacker/intruder brings a brigade or two of thugs along.


You ever seen Death Wish 3? Skip ahead to :55 for the action. Notice how effective it was? Notice how he was completely safe using a missile launcher at such close proximity. I want a gotdamn missile launcher.
Link
 
2013-01-28 04:17:57 PM  

justtray: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Wow, an empty, non-reusable tube. The horror. I like how the authorities intimated that it was dangerous. To who? It's only dangerous to the people who sponsored the buy-back and the police who depend upon you to believe everything you hear.

348 pistols and 364 rifles? I wonder how many crimes they just paid for the privilege of leaving open. 3 "street sweepers"? OH NOES! They are such amazing instruments of crime that they haven't been used in any that I can think of, and the possession of which did not result in the arrest of the person carrying an unregistered NFA Destructive Device.

I sure am glad they don't this kind of shiat where I live. I'd like to at least continue to have the illusion that the local police are competent.

But but i thought guns are easy enough to make and if they werent available criminals would just make explosives. Are you now saying that was a total lie? No..... Couldnt be....


I never made that claim. Nor do i know anybody who did. So, cite?
 
2013-01-28 04:18:47 PM  
Recoil Therapy: It's an empty (& non reloadable) fiberglass tube. Something somewhat cool to prop up in the corner of an office but nothing to get the vapors over.

Saw headline, thought "empty javelin or stinger tube".
 
2013-01-28 04:18:59 PM  
Has anyone mentioned that the missile launcher tube is only good for one shot?
 
2013-01-28 04:19:35 PM  

UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!


I sent an email to CCI asking about 22lr. They actally replied, and said they are making 1.2 million rounds a day. Yet the stores are empty. Damn hoarders. I was at a gun show this weekend and douche-bags were selling boxes of 22lr that were going for $25 before the run on ammo for $75. Nothing like creating a panic and profiting off it.
 
2013-01-28 04:19:40 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: justtray: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Wow, an empty, non-reusable tube. The horror. I like how the authorities intimated that it was dangerous. To who? It's only dangerous to the people who sponsored the buy-back and the police who depend upon you to believe everything you hear.

348 pistols and 364 rifles? I wonder how many crimes they just paid for the privilege of leaving open. 3 "street sweepers"? OH NOES! They are such amazing instruments of crime that they haven't been used in any that I can think of, and the possession of which did not result in the arrest of the person carrying an unregistered NFA Destructive Device.

I sure am glad they don't this kind of shiat where I live. I'd like to at least continue to have the illusion that the local police are competent.

But but i thought guns are easy enough to make and if they werent available criminals would just make explosives. Are you now saying that was a total lie? No..... Couldnt be....

I never made that claim. Nor do i know anybody who did. So, cite?


See - every gun thread ever on fark. I never said you personally made that claim, but it has been made, many times over by people on the same side of the argument as you.
 
2013-01-28 04:20:10 PM  

justtray: It's Me Bender: I_Am_Weasel: If I had a missile launcher, I'd make somebody pay.

Eh, there's no way you could kill even 1% as many children as Obama has with his missiles.

How many children has obama killed?


As many as he has on his kill list.
 
2013-01-28 04:20:16 PM  

Recoil Therapy: ajgeek: Eh, the device was deployed. It's the gun equivalent of finding a used condom.

Just repeating this as there will be someone who comes along hyperventilating about Stinger missiles out in the general public's hands & how airliners are going to be falling from the skies like snowflakes in Alaska.

It's an empty (& non reloadable) fiberglass tube.  Something somewhat cool to prop up in the corner of an office but nothing to get the vapors over.  $25-50 at most surplus stores (when you can find them) & apparently a very good investment as you can now get a couple hundred for them at these asinine gun 'buy backs'.  I need to see if I can get a pallet of them at the next .gov surplus auction.  I should be able to make enough from them that, even at today's hyper inflated prices, I could convert it to one of those scary looking black rifles & still pocket some money.


not a law but a stinger
 
2013-01-28 04:20:35 PM  
I've been collecting non-working crap firearms over the past year. Waiting for the next buyback around here and I will have more than enough for something new after turning these in. Last year's net was $1100 bucks.
 
2013-01-28 04:20:37 PM  

ha-ha-guy: I'm suddenly glad I did an organized buy with some people for a couple pallets back in September.


img19.imageshack.us

WTF are you shooting?  Earth?
 
2013-01-28 04:21:00 PM  

justtray: It's Me Bender: I_Am_Weasel: If I had a missile launcher, I'd make somebody pay.

Eh, there's no way you could kill even 1% as many children as Obama has with his missiles.

How many children has obama killed?


More than 0 and the list doesn't even include A-stan.

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Justtray hates facts. I'm on ignore because of them :( Someone quote me.
 
2013-01-28 04:21:23 PM  

justtray: Adolf Oliver Nipples: justtray: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Wow, an empty, non-reusable tube. The horror. I like how the authorities intimated that it was dangerous. To who? It's only dangerous to the people who sponsored the buy-back and the police who depend upon you to believe everything you hear.

348 pistols and 364 rifles? I wonder how many crimes they just paid for the privilege of leaving open. 3 "street sweepers"? OH NOES! They are such amazing instruments of crime that they haven't been used in any that I can think of, and the possession of which did not result in the arrest of the person carrying an unregistered NFA Destructive Device.

I sure am glad they don't this kind of shiat where I live. I'd like to at least continue to have the illusion that the local police are competent.

But but i thought guns are easy enough to make and if they werent available criminals would just make explosives. Are you now saying that was a total lie? No..... Couldnt be....

I never made that claim. Nor do i know anybody who did. So, cite?

See - every gun thread ever on fark. I never said you personally made that claim, but it has been made, many times over by people on the same side of the argument as you.


Then it should be easy for you to find. Have at it. Cite or GTFO.
 
2013-01-28 04:21:49 PM  
nonfunctional missile launcher - already had been used

Look out he has a tube!
 
2013-01-28 04:22:18 PM  

lordargent: Recoil Therapy: It's an empty (& non reloadable) fiberglass tube. Something somewhat cool to prop up in the corner of an office but nothing to get the vapors over.

Saw headline, thought "empty javelin or stinger tube".


I doubt you'd see a jav tube... aren't the targeting systems on those alone still worth a significant amount of cash? Now a stinger on the other hand, they're about as dumb fire as you can get.
 
2013-01-28 04:23:09 PM  
http://droneswatch.org/2013/01/20/list-of-children-killed-by-drone-str ikes-in-pakistan-and-yemen/

FTC
 
2013-01-28 04:24:29 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Heh. Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!

Well, there's about an 11 out of 10 chance you're going to be home invaded, so it's important consider things like ammo that's less likely to give you hearing damage when you're Rambo-ing your house.

But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.



In all seriousness, way back when my wife and I had our first apartment in roach-infested Thug Town, I felt the serious need to have a loaded gun next to the bed - a full choke single shot 20 gauge.  IMO, it's some of the best home defense you can get.  You don't have to aim well and anything you hit is going to feel it.  Plus, it's going to wake the world and the round is less likely to fly into the neighbor's house and injure someone.
 
2013-01-28 04:24:57 PM  

TheYeti: Sounds like there were a lot of other bargains to be had, though.


I'd have done the same thing if I lived out there. Take several grand in cash and buy all the $100 pistols, shotguns, and rifles I could carry. Then double and triple my money on gunbroker over then next few weeks.

What idiot turns in an operable gun for a gift card?

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I sure am glad they don't this kind of shiat where I live. I'd like to at least continue to have the illusion that the local police are competent.


^^^^
 
2013-01-28 04:26:08 PM  

bloatboy: Lsherm: Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!" if these buyback programs really WERE getting AK after AK I think I'd set up a booth myself.

I went to Bass Pro this weekend because I wanted to pick up a Henry Golden Boy and there was a jackass at the counter screaming about not being able to get an XM-15 (I think) because they didn't have any in stock.  I don't think there's a gun store in the state of Virginia that has a semiautomatic rifle left, at least not ones that shoot NATO rounds.

At the local firearms store, pretty much the only thing they weren't out of were customers waving cash shouting, "Shut up and take my money!"


Shooter's Supply in Louisville has limited sales of many products. Customers may purchase only one rimfire semi-automatic rifle, one centerfire semi-automatic rifle and one magazine exceeding a ten-round capacity. Ammunition sales are limited also: customers may purchase only two boxes of the same caliber in full metal jacket and hollowpoint (thus, a customer may purchase two boxes of 9mm full metal jacket and two boxes of 9mm hollowpoint), or a single "brick" of 400 rounds of .22LR ammunition.

When last I visited, one week ago, several rifle models remained in stock though some of them were NFA-restricted short-barreled rifles.
 
2013-01-28 04:27:07 PM  

justtray: tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Heh. Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!

Well, there's about an 11 out of 10 chance you're going to be home invaded, so it's important consider things like ammo that's less likely to give you hearing damage when you're Rambo-ing your house.

But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.

Plus, they all wear body armor. You may need hollow points. You can replace the walls. Safety is whats most important.


You'll need special teflon coated cop killer hollow point full metal jacket bullet casing shells loaded into a 30 round extended high capacity bullet clip magazine sheath holder that's clipped into a black military style automatic AK-47 assault semi-automatic glock M-16-60 rifle weapon with a barrel shroud. That'll get right through those bullet proof vests.
 
2013-01-28 04:27:49 PM  
Has anyone notice that in EVERY gun buyback program, some idiot has turned in a rather rare, discontinued or antique firearm that would be worth FAR more than a 200 dollar gift card - like in the thousands area - for chump change?
 
2013-01-28 04:29:36 PM  

Lsherm: ha-ha-guy: I'm suddenly glad I did an organized buy with some people for a couple pallets back in September.

[img19.imageshack.us image 850x644]

WTF are you shooting?  Earth?


We bury it beneath our double wide trailers for when the government comes for us. We're successful crazies cause we have the double wides, unlike the morons in the single wides.

/or a large hunting club, one of the two
//I know a guy with two full pallets and about a half a pallet worth of 7.62x51mm in his basement
///of course he also has a tax stamp for a full auto, so he uses it quickly
/I have about a quarter of a pallet right now, because you know, coyotes, deer, and zombies
 
2013-01-28 04:30:27 PM  
I wish I could have gone to that, but I had to work.

I have a junker shotgun that I would definitely take $100 for.
 
2013-01-28 04:31:28 PM  

BronyMedic: Has anyone notice that in EVERY gun buyback program, some idiot has turned in a rather rare, discontinued or antique firearm that would be worth FAR more than a 200 dollar gift card - like in the thousands area - for chump change?


Eh, y'know it's gonna sit in my shop...the market for rare discontinued antique firearms bottomed out maybe two years ago...I'll give you $170. Ok, $200 is the best I can do.
 
2013-01-28 04:31:43 PM  

Calmamity: I wish I could have gone to that, but I had to work.

I have a junker shotgun that I would definitely take $100 for.


Gun buybacks, getting that stuff your grandfather let rust to shiat off the street since the first one.
 
2013-01-28 04:31:55 PM  

BronyMedic: Has anyone notice that in EVERY gun buyback program, some idiot has turned in a rather rare, discontinued or antique firearm that would be worth FAR more than a 200 dollar gift card - like in the thousands area - for chump change?


And people sell musical instruments worth thousands for hundreds on Craigslist.
Also jewelry to pawn shops, etc.
 
2013-01-28 04:33:52 PM  

GanjSmokr: justtray: tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Heh. Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!

Well, there's about an 11 out of 10 chance you're going to be home invaded, so it's important consider things like ammo that's less likely to give you hearing damage when you're Rambo-ing your house.

But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.

Plus, they all wear body armor. You may need hollow points. You can replace the walls. Safety is whats most important.

You'll need special teflon coated cop killer hollow point full metal jacket bullet casing shells loaded into a 30 round extended high capacity bullet clip magazine sheath holder that's clipped into a black military style automatic AK-47 assault semi-automatic glock M-16-60 rifle weapon with a barrel shroud. That'll get right through those bullet proof vests.


Sometimes when I start googling the things I see in threads like this, I wonder how much of a big red flag I'm throwing up to the feds.

Current search history:
Obama kill list
M202 FLASH
javelin targeting system
home defense rounds
barrel shrouds
 
2013-01-28 04:34:14 PM  

Dave Lister: Eh, y'know it's gonna sit in my shop...the market for rare discontinued antique firearms bottomed out maybe two years ago...I'll give you $170. Ok, $200 is the best I can do.


The last picture I saw from a gun buyback was in NYC. Someone turned in a limited edition Browning Auto-5 12-ga shotgun (You can tell by silver plate and intricate markings on the receiver). I  own two, a regular and a gold edition Auto-5, and had it appraised at 2500 dollars three years ago.

Some idiot turned it in for a 100 dollar gift card when it's worth FAR more than mine.

/Auto-5 is a damn fine shotgun, BTW.
 
2013-01-28 04:34:46 PM  
I wonder if they take zip guns as well?

I can whip up a dozen in the garage for about $50.
 
2013-01-28 04:35:01 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Calmamity: I wish I could have gone to that, but I had to work.

I have a junker shotgun that I would definitely take $100 for.

Gun buybacks, getting that stuff your grandfather let rust to shiat off the street since the first one.


Mostly true, but shiat, I saw some of the stuff the guys on the sidelines were buying from people, and I couldn't believe it. I wish I'd been there as a damn buyer.
 
2013-01-28 04:36:07 PM  

UberDave: You don't have to aim well


Bull honky. Even with a shotgun, you're only going to hit where you're aiming. If you're not aiming at your target, what do you think you're going to hit?

UberDave: Plus, it's going to wake the world and the round is less likely to fly into the neighbor's house and injure someone.


I wouldn't count on that.

I'm not trying to say that a shotgun isn't a good choice for personal defense, but the "you don't have to aim" and "It won't overpenetrate" arguments I keep seeing are pretty easily dis-proven bull.
 
2013-01-28 04:36:32 PM  

BronyMedic: Dave Lister: Eh, y'know it's gonna sit in my shop...the market for rare discontinued antique firearms bottomed out maybe two years ago...I'll give you $170. Ok, $200 is the best I can do.

The last picture I saw from a gun buyback was in NYC. Someone turned in a limited edition Browning Auto-5 12-ga shotgun (You can tell by silver plate and intricate markings on the receiver). I  own two, a regular and a gold edition Auto-5, and had it appraised at 2500 dollars three years ago.

Some idiot turned it in for a 100 dollar gift card when it's worth FAR more than mine.

/Auto-5 is a damn fine shotgun, BTW.


While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?
 
2013-01-28 04:36:50 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: UberDave: For use in home defense...when your attacker/intruder brings a brigade or two of thugs along.

No it's for when the get away car is almost at the end of the street.


zero survivors


If you fired that down the block, you'd be toast too. That's a nuclear-tipped "Davy Crockett" rocket.
 
2013-01-28 04:36:50 PM  

BronyMedic: Dave Lister: Eh, y'know it's gonna sit in my shop...the market for rare discontinued antique firearms bottomed out maybe two years ago...I'll give you $170. Ok, $200 is the best I can do.

The last picture I saw from a gun buyback was in NYC. Someone turned in a limited edition Browning Auto-5 12-ga shotgun (You can tell by silver plate and intricate markings on the receiver). I  own two, a regular and a gold edition Auto-5, and had it appraised at 2500 dollars three years ago.

Some idiot turned it in for a 100 dollar gift card when it's worth FAR more than mine.

/Auto-5 is a damn fine shotgun, BTW.


Mine is a Sweet-Sixteen, though it does have an ugly polychoke.

I'm seriously considering going to the next local buyback event parking lot with some mad money.
 
2013-01-28 04:36:52 PM  

NightOwl2255: UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

I sent an email to CCI asking about 22lr. They actally replied, and said they are making 1.2 million rounds a day. Yet the stores are empty. Damn hoarders. I was at a gun show this weekend and douche-bags were selling boxes of 22lr that were going for $25 before the run on ammo for $75. Nothing like creating a panic and profiting off it.



That is insane.  The weekend after Christmas, I went to my in-laws property to do some hunting in the national forest.  My brother in-law went up with his youngest who brought a friend.  He tried stopping at four places on the way out and no one had .22lr.  I didn't bring my .22 but my shotgun ammo box had two 50-packs of cheap Remington HV (maybe $4 a box).  I let him have at them because the kids want to shoot the marlin 39a (which I hath so coveted) he brought along.  Of course, that left me with no .22 but I thought they would surely be restocked after the new year.  No such luck.

From what the guys at the stores tell me, they get them in but it flies off the shelf within hours.  I just hope supply meets demand or we will be paying $20 a box.
 
2013-01-28 04:37:57 PM  

GanjSmokr: You'll need special teflon coated cop killer hollow point full metal jacket bullet casing shells loaded into a 30 round extended high capacity bullet clip magazine sheath holder that's clipped into a black military style automatic AK-47 assault semi-automatic glock M-16-60 rifle weapon with a barrel shroud. That'll get right through those bullet proof vests.


That was painful.
 
2013-01-28 04:38:13 PM  

Lsherm: tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

People are buying 50 round drum magazines of it to load into their AR-15's for home defense.

I think you need a conversion kit for that to work.


I don't think Feinstein understands enough about what she's trying to legislate to know what a conversion kit is.

My buddy owns a CheyTac 408 which he bought used for $3,500 or something crazy like that. He's endlessly amused that it's not on the "weapons Diane finds scary" list because it only takes a 5 round magazine.
 
2013-01-28 04:38:49 PM  

Dimensio: While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?


I'm not too sure of the crime statistics, but I'm pretty sure high-end, rare hunting shotguns aren't being used in many crimes in the United States.

Glocks, on the other hand...

suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com
 
2013-01-28 04:40:00 PM  
Police came and took my brother's WWII rifle my dad brought home from war. They claimed it was because the bayonet attachment had a "broken" bayonet still attached that "appeared" to match the part of one in my sister-in-law's stomach. Sure it did...
 
2013-01-28 04:40:09 PM  
I, for one, will sleep much better tonight knowing that an empty fiberglass tube is off the streets!!

/because that's what it is
//and that's all it is
///old school!
 
2013-01-28 04:40:49 PM  
images.ridemonkey.com

Ashamed I didn't see this.
 
2013-01-28 04:41:49 PM  

Dimensio: BronyMedic: Dave Lister: Eh, y'know it's gonna sit in my shop...the market for rare discontinued antique firearms bottomed out maybe two years ago...I'll give you $170. Ok, $200 is the best I can do.

The last picture I saw from a gun buyback was in NYC. Someone turned in a limited edition Browning Auto-5 12-ga shotgun (You can tell by silver plate and intricate markings on the receiver). I  own two, a regular and a gold edition Auto-5, and had it appraised at 2500 dollars three years ago.

Some idiot turned it in for a 100 dollar gift card when it's worth FAR more than mine.

/Auto-5 is a damn fine shotgun, BTW.

While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?


Nope. The public safety isn't improved even a little bit, just your illusion of it. Want proof? Go down to Wal-Mart and check out the wall of shotguns.
 
2013-01-28 04:43:17 PM  
Where else is a bolt action Sears shotgun to go?
 
2013-01-28 04:43:55 PM  
Giltric:


Why are 18 and 19 year olds included? What is the age of majority in those countries?
 
2013-01-28 04:44:03 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dimensio: BronyMedic: Dave Lister: Eh, y'know it's gonna sit in my shop...the market for rare discontinued antique firearms bottomed out maybe two years ago...I'll give you $170. Ok, $200 is the best I can do.

The last picture I saw from a gun buyback was in NYC. Someone turned in a limited edition Browning Auto-5 12-ga shotgun (You can tell by silver plate and intricate markings on the receiver). I  own two, a regular and a gold edition Auto-5, and had it appraised at 2500 dollars three years ago.

Some idiot turned it in for a 100 dollar gift card when it's worth FAR more than mine.

/Auto-5 is a damn fine shotgun, BTW.

While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?

Nope. The public safety isn't improved even a little bit, just your illusion of it. Want proof? Go down to Wal-Mart and check out the wall of shotguns.


I suspect that you will next attempt to convince me that Mexican criminal cartels do not obtain hand grenades from smugglers who purchase them legally in the United States at gun shows without a background check.
 
2013-01-28 04:44:23 PM  
I know that the thread has already reached derp level 9 but I'd like to point out that the AVERAGE PERSON can't tell the difference between a spent rocket tube and "AHHHHHHH!!!! A BAZOOKA!!!!" which is why there are laws against their sale in the first place. It's borderline useless as a weapon (they make an unwieldy club) but can easily be used to incite panic under the right circumstances.
 
2013-01-28 04:45:02 PM  

ZeroPly: My buddy owns a CheyTac 408 which he bought used for $3,500 or something crazy like that. He's endlessly amused that it's not on the "weapons Diane finds scary" list because it only takes a 5 round magazine.


I could have sworn those CheyTac Interventions went for close to $30K before all of the panic ensued.
 
2013-01-28 04:45:48 PM  

Lsherm: Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!" if these buyback programs really WERE getting AK after AK I think I'd set up a booth myself.

I went to Bass Pro this weekend because I wanted to pick up a Henry Golden Boy and there was a jackass at the counter screaming about not being able to get an XM-15 (I think) because they didn't have any in stock.  I don't think there's a gun store in the state of Virginia that has a semiautomatic rifle left, at least not ones that shoot NATO rounds.


I stopped by the CMP store in Anniston this weekend to buy an M1 and all they had were M1Cs, M1Ds, and the special grade M1s that were rebuilt (read: the only things they had were too expensive for me). All the mail order are cannibalizing their in-store sales of rack, field, and service grade rifles.
 
2013-01-28 04:45:53 PM  
Don't let your kid feel left out!

img.wonkette.com
 
2013-01-28 04:46:09 PM  

Dimensio: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Dimensio: BronyMedic: Dave Lister: Eh, y'know it's gonna sit in my shop...the market for rare discontinued antique firearms bottomed out maybe two years ago...I'll give you $170. Ok, $200 is the best I can do.

The last picture I saw from a gun buyback was in NYC. Someone turned in a limited edition Browning Auto-5 12-ga shotgun (You can tell by silver plate and intricate markings on the receiver). I  own two, a regular and a gold edition Auto-5, and had it appraised at 2500 dollars three years ago.

Some idiot turned it in for a 100 dollar gift card when it's worth FAR more than mine.

/Auto-5 is a damn fine shotgun, BTW.

While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?

Nope. The public safety isn't improved even a little bit, just your illusion of it. Want proof? Go down to Wal-Mart and check out the wall of shotguns.

I suspect that you will next attempt to convince me that Mexican criminal cartels do not obtain hand grenades from smugglers who purchase them legally in the United States at gun shows without a background check.


Hand grenades? NFA Destructive Devices? You show me the gun show where they are selling live hand grenades on a handshake and I'll be glad to call the BATFE.

In other words, cite?
 
2013-01-28 04:46:49 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I know that the thread has already reached derp level 9 but I'd like to point out that the AVERAGE PERSON can't tell the difference between a spent rocket tube and "AHHHHHHH!!!! A BAZOOKA!!!!" which is why there are laws against their sale in the first place. It's borderline useless as a weapon (they make an unwieldy club) but can easily be used to incite panic under the right circumstances.


I suspect that little effort is required to create a fake "rocket tube" indistinguishable to casual observers from a real one. Do any current laws prohibit possession of such facsimiles?
 
2013-01-28 04:47:29 PM  

ZeroPly: Lsherm: tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

People are buying 50 round drum magazines of it to load into their AR-15's for home defense.

I think you need a conversion kit for that to work.

I don't think Feinstein understands enough about what she's trying to legislate to know what a conversion kit is.

My buddy owns a CheyTac 408 which he bought used for $3,500 or something crazy like that. He's endlessly amused that it's not on the "weapons Diane finds scary" list because it only takes a 5 round magazine.


She doesn't care if you kill 5 from a distance of 1.2miles.
 
2013-01-28 04:48:07 PM  

Giltric: Someone quote me.


Done.
 
2013-01-28 04:48:33 PM  

ph0rk: Giltric:


Why are 18 and 19 year olds included? What is the age of majority in those countries?


I don't care if you count them...take them off the list if you think only having dead kids under the age of 18 on the list helps Obama.
 
2013-01-28 04:48:39 PM  

Dimensio: I suspect that you will next attempt to convince me that Mexican criminal cartels do not obtain hand grenades from smugglers who purchase them legally in the United States at gun shows without a background check.


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GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I know that the thread has already reached derp level 9 but I'd like to point out that the AVERAGE PERSON can't tell the difference between a spent rocket tube and "AHHHHHHH!!!! A BAZOOKA!!!!" which is why there are laws against their sale in the first place. It's borderline useless as a weapon (they make an unwieldy club) but can easily be used to incite panic under the right circumstances.


That's not really my problem. Why should I be held responsible for an idiot freaking out over nothing? "You can't have that." "Why not?" "That guy over there doesn't know its not dangerous." "So, go teach the idiot and let me have my non-dangerous item." "I don't want to deal with the idiot, so hand it over."
 
2013-01-28 04:49:02 PM  
Hey, that buyback actually did do something useful! An expended rocket launcher is a blunt instrument, and blunt instruments were used in 540 homicides in the US in the latest year included in the FBI Uniform Crime Reports (half again more than rifles, used in only 358 homicides that year).
 
2013-01-28 04:49:51 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: You show me the gun show where they are selling live hand grenades on a handshake and I'll be glad to call the BATFE.


Back in the 80s I remember my neighbor's house being raided by the FBI. He was buying old pineapple and baseball grenades at the army surplus store, plugging them and re-arming them with new primers. He buried a bunch in their backyard before the raid so I was always just wincing every time the new neighbor tilled his garden in the backyard.

...I think his source for the primers was an undercover agent.
 
2013-01-28 04:50:45 PM  

Giltric: ph0rk: Giltric:


Why are 18 and 19 year olds included? What is the age of majority in those countries?

I don't care if you count them...take them off the list if you think only having dead kids under the age of 18 on the list helps Obama.


Your devotion to accuracy and attention to detail is noteworthy.
 
2013-01-28 04:51:57 PM  

UberDave: Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!"

Tell me about it.  Some sporting goods stores moved all of their 9mm, 45 ACP, .22, etc. ect. behind the damn counter.  And they are completely out of most of it.  Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

A buddy of mine from the service used to go out to the range (off-base) all the time when we served.  That was right when the weapons ban and magazine restrictions were implemented.  I don't remember it being anywhere near this crazy.


.22lr is starting to tick me off. The local Gander Mountain has none, neither does the Cabelas 50 miles from here. I managed to get 100 rounds of Remington subsonic at Wally World, but that's all I've been able to find.

(Figures I've bought 2 22 rifles recently and now can't feed them)
 
2013-01-28 04:52:45 PM  

BronyMedic: Dimensio: While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?

I'm not too sure of the crime statistics, but I'm pretty sure high-end, rare hunting shotguns aren't being used in many crimes in the United States.


Homicides by shotgun, 2010: 373
Homicides by hitting people with hands, fists, feet, 2010: 745
 
2013-01-28 04:53:24 PM  

It's Me Bender: I_Am_Weasel: If I had a missile launcher, I'd make somebody pay.

Eh, there's no way you could kill even 1% as many children as Obama has with his missiles.


or the abortionists with their tools of evil.
 
2013-01-28 04:54:56 PM  
These single-use used tubes are all over the place. They aren't worth anything nor are they anything dangerous. You could build one with $10 of hardware from Home Depot. It's literally just a metal tube.
 
2013-01-28 04:55:51 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Same thing happened in LA recently

/I think they were selling those things in surplus stores


Yeah, this is like the third one. Where are people getting all these missile launchers? Even if they're decommissioned, where are they coming from?

(Cuz I might like one)
 
2013-01-28 04:58:06 PM  
I get it.So I give them something that is legal and later they make it illegal to buy it ?
 
2013-01-28 04:59:11 PM  

Verzio: BronyMedic: Dimensio: While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?

I'm not too sure of the crime statistics, but I'm pretty sure high-end, rare hunting shotguns aren't being used in many crimes in the United States.

Homicides by shotgun, 2010: 373
Homicides by hitting people with hands, fists, feet, 2010: 745


That's it, i'm calling for the banning of hands, feet and fists! If it saves just one child, don't we have a moral resposibility to do something?
 
2013-01-28 05:00:32 PM  

vodka: These single-use used tubes are all over the place. They aren't worth anything nor are they anything dangerous. You could build one with $10 of hardware from Home Depot. It's literally just a metal tube.


Bullets are harmless too. Just saying.
 
2013-01-28 05:00:49 PM  

ZeroPly: Lsherm: tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

People are buying 50 round drum magazines of it to load into their AR-15's for home defense.

I think you need a conversion kit for that to work.

I don't think Feinstein understands enough about what she's trying to legislate to know what a conversion kit is.

My buddy owns a CheyTac 408 which he bought used for $3,500 or something crazy like that. He's endlessly amused that it's not on the "weapons Diane finds scary" list because it only takes a 5 round magazine.


Ouch. I have only found one here...$15K or so.
 
2013-01-28 05:02:06 PM  

Awesome T-Shirt: [images.ridemonkey.com image 500x417]

Ashamed I didn't see this.


I had to do it last time, so I feel ya.
 
2013-01-28 05:02:18 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: UberDave: You don't have to aim well

Bull honky. Even with a shotgun, you're only going to hit where you're aiming. If you're not aiming at your target, what do you think you're going to hit?

UberDave: Plus, it's going to wake the world and the round is less likely to fly into the neighbor's house and injure someone.

I wouldn't count on that.

I'm not trying to say that a shotgun isn't a good choice for personal defense, but the "you don't have to aim" and "It won't overpenetrate" arguments I keep seeing are pretty easily dis-proven bull.



No.  If I'm running high-brass squirrel shot through a full choke 20 gauge, I do *not* have to aim well....especially within the confines of a home.  Or do you actually think by "not aim well" I mean "point the gun 180 degrees away from your target"?  Of course you have to point at the damn target (or in the case of a shotgun, in the vicinity of the target).


And are you saying that a shotgun blast is *just as likely* (notice I said "less likely" in my statement) to fly into your neighbor's house and injure someone as a bullet?  Again, no.  A jacketed conical round flying at 2900+ feet a second is going to go right through the wall of your house, keep going and penetrate your neighbor's house if it is in the way.  A wad of round pellets flying at ~1300 feet a second isn't going to do the same by a long shot.

I don't know what you are thinking here.  Maybe you think I'm advocating a gun ban because "shotguns are just fine for defense."  Not at all.  If you want to mount a tripod and 50mm chain cannon on the other side of your front door, the more power to you.
 
2013-01-28 05:03:16 PM  
I'll have to check the local military supply stores for these spent tubes. If I can get one or five, I'll be more than happy to turn them in for a quick buck.

/Liberal
//Also a filthy capitalist


Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.
 
2013-01-28 05:03:26 PM  
I watched the video... I saw what amounts to dozens and dozens of grandpa's 'ol break over shotgun.  Single shot relics owned by people unsure of how to get rid of them until the police do a buy back program.

Yep, they got a whole lot of non-functioning .22 rifles from the 1930s off the streets.  And everybody who showed up looked as if they were bona fide outlaws who could go on a shooting spree at any moment - really desperados.

I love the anecdotal story a defense attorney told me a while back (it may not be true, but it's funny) - The guy who he was representing was brought in and charged for shooting another guy at a party during a fight.  It took the cops a while to figure it all out and brought the guy in after a month.  They had a picture of him with the gun in question from a cell phone recovered at his residence.  Witnesses say it was the revolver used in the crime and the cops wanted to know where it was.  The client told his lawyer (behind closed doors) that he had turned in during a gun buy back program a couple of weeks after the shooting.  The lawyer told him to shut up and never say that again to anyone.  After conferring with a captain at the police department about what happens to the guns he confirmed that the police had in fact destroyed the best evidence against his client.  I don't know what happened from there, but that was pretty funny - if it is in fact true.  Seeing as how the guns are involved in an anonymous buy back program, it's likely they can't really run balistics on them and go after the sellers.
 
2013-01-28 05:05:15 PM  

edmo: vodka: These single-use used tubes are all over the place. They aren't worth anything nor are they anything dangerous. You could build one with $10 of hardware from Home Depot. It's literally just a metal tube.

Bullets are harmless too. Just saying.


That makes zero sense.
 
2013-01-28 05:06:41 PM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.


How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.
 
2013-01-28 05:06:47 PM  

edmo: vodka: These single-use used tubes are all over the place. They aren't worth anything nor are they anything dangerous. You could build one with $10 of hardware from Home Depot. It's literally just a metal tube.

Bullets are harmless too. Just saying.


Except that -- as commonly sold -- ammunition contains smokeless powder: an explosive. An empty metal tube does not. It's *only* a metal tube -- no explodey-bits.
 
2013-01-28 05:07:01 PM  

UberDave: Noticeably F.A.T.: UberDave: You don't have to aim well

Bull honky. Even with a shotgun, you're only going to hit where you're aiming. If you're not aiming at your target, what do you think you're going to hit?

UberDave: Plus, it's going to wake the world and the round is less likely to fly into the neighbor's house and injure someone.

I wouldn't count on that.

I'm not trying to say that a shotgun isn't a good choice for personal defense, but the "you don't have to aim" and "It won't overpenetrate" arguments I keep seeing are pretty easily dis-proven bull.


No.  If I'm running high-brass squirrel shot through a full choke 20 gauge, I do *not* have to aim well....especially within the confines of a home.  Or do you actually think by "not aim well" I mean "point the gun 180 degrees away from your target"?  Of course you have to point at the damn target (or in the case of a shotgun, in the vicinity of the target).


And are you saying that a shotgun blast is *just as likely* (notice I said "less likely" in my statement) to fly into your neighbor's house and injure someone as a bullet?  Again, no.  A jacketed conical round flying at 2900+ feet a second is going to go right through the wall of your house, keep going and penetrate your neighbor's house if it is in the way.  A wad of round pellets flying at ~1300 feet a second isn't going to do the same by a long shot.

I don't know what you are thinking here.  Maybe you think I'm advocating a gun ban because "shotguns are just fine for defense."  Not at all.  If you want to mount a tripod and 50mm chain cannon on the other side of your front door, the more power to you.


FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall.
 
2013-01-28 05:07:37 PM  

scubamage: FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall


No choke, and rock salt rounds if you feel bad about killing someone. It won't kill them, but it'll make them wish they were dead.
 
2013-01-28 05:10:22 PM  

bim1154: I've been collecting non-working crap firearms over the past year. Waiting for the next buyback around here and I will have more than enough for something new after turning these in. Last year's net was $1100 bucks.


Makes me wish I had bought a few crates of Mosin-nagants and Norinco SKS rifles pre-hysteria. Shiat, you could get a crate of 20 mosins for $1,000
 
2013-01-28 05:11:36 PM  

BronyMedic: scubamage: FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall

No choke, and rock salt rounds if you feel bad about killing someone. It won't kill them, but it'll make them wish they were dead.


Know how I know you grew up around farmers? :)
That's what most of the old PA Dutch farmers around us used to use to keep idiots on ATV's off their property. No interest in hurting anyone, just didn't want their livelihood torn up so some farkwit could get his jollies.
 
2013-01-28 05:13:31 PM  

BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.

How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.


Depends on the actual laws of your locality, aside and above how pissed off the local constabulary gets at you legally making a fool of them. In NM, that sort of thing is still legal; this session they are trying to pass a state NICS-like check for any transfer, along with a $25 fee and retention of those records for five years.
 
2013-01-28 05:13:35 PM  

BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.

How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.


I have an old POS Remington pump 12ga with a warped 36" barrel that I'll sell you for $3500....


/Don't ask me how the barrel got warped.
 
2013-01-28 05:17:18 PM  

Dave Lister: BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.

How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.

Depends on the actual laws of your locality, aside and above how pissed off the local constabulary gets at you legally making a fool of them. In NM, that sort of thing is still legal; this session they are trying to pass a state NICS-like check for any transfer, along with a $25 fee and retention of those records for five years.


I know in PA, for a handgun to exchange hands, you have to have a quick check run by a firearm's shop. Still, if you see someone walking up with a nice antique cavalry pistol, you could probably offer to double what the police would pay and walk with them to a local gun store. Would piss off the PoPo sure, but that's a heck of a lot better than letting a work of art get destroyed.
 
2013-01-28 05:17:27 PM  

UberDave: tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

People are buying 50 round drum magazines of it to load into their AR-15's for home defense.


Heh.  Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!


Speak for yourself. It's dangerous out there:

i241.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-28 05:18:02 PM  

UberDave: BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.

How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.

I have an old POS Remington pump 12ga with a warped 36" barrel that I'll sell you for $3500....


/Don't ask me how the barrel got warped.


So uhhhh, how did the barrel get warped? ;)
 
2013-01-28 05:18:23 PM  

vodka: These single-use used tubes are all over the place. They aren't worth anything nor are they anything dangerous. You could build one with $10 of hardware from Home Depot. It's literally just a metal tube.


These are probably not a launch tube, but a packaging container

If the stupid police would just read Fark,,,
 
2013-01-28 05:20:06 PM  
scubamage:

FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall.

Yep.  Back when I had to arm my wife up, I was looking at a cheap hammerless .38 revolver.  I soon found out that our poor asses couldn't afford the investment (or the ammo for that matter) and my brain also kicked in and realized that no matter what ammo I bought, it would be dangerous in an apartment especially since my wife would be all over the place when firing.  I took her out to the woods with the 20ga and let her blast the hell out of a bunch of dead trees until she could load, cock (giggity), and fire.
 
2013-01-28 05:20:24 PM  
Waiting for printer costsbuy back.
PROFIT!
 
2013-01-28 05:21:12 PM  
The single-use device is a launch tube assembly for a Stinger portable surface-to-air missile and already had been used. As a controlled military item, it is not available to civilians through any surplus or disposal program offered by the government, according to Jamieson.

Seattle Mayor Mike McGinn added that the private sales of the missile launch tube and other weapons illustrate the need for comprehensive background checks


That is weapons grade retarded. Gratz Seattle, your mayor is a potato.
 
2013-01-28 05:21:29 PM  
Farkin Fark.
printer costs to be less than buy back
 
2013-01-28 05:22:47 PM  

BronyMedic: scubamage: FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall

No choke, and rock salt rounds if you feel bad about killing someone. It won't kill them, but it'll make them wish they were dead.


That apparently really, really depends on the distance.

Is there anyone who even sells rock salt shells or is it the kind of thing you have to make on your own?  I've never actually met anyone who has used them.
 
2013-01-28 05:23:28 PM  
BUt does it vibrate!!?!?!
 
2013-01-28 05:24:01 PM  

scubamage: Dave Lister: BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.

How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.

Depends on the actual laws of your locality, aside and above how pissed off the local constabulary gets at you legally making a fool of them. In NM, that sort of thing is still legal; this session they are trying to pass a state NICS-like check for any transfer, along with a $25 fee and retention of those records for five years.

I know in PA, for a handgun to exchange hands, you have to have a quick check run by a firearm's shop. Still, if you see someone walking up with a nice antique cavalry pistol, you could probably offer to double what the police would pay and walk with them to a local gun store. Would piss off the PoPo sure, but that's a heck of a lot better than letting a work of art get destroyed.


Exactly. So, in those states with less freedom like PA, invite an FFL to come along and call in checks as necessary. Wins all around.
 
2013-01-28 05:26:07 PM  

Dave Lister: scubamage: Dave Lister: BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.

How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.

Depends on the actual laws of your locality, aside and above how pissed off the local constabulary gets at you legally making a fool of them. In NM, that sort of thing is still legal; this session they are trying to pass a state NICS-like check for any transfer, along with a $25 fee and retention of those records for five years.

I know in PA, for a handgun to exchange hands, you have to have a quick check run by a firearm's shop. Still, if you see someone walking up with a nice antique cavalry pistol, you could probably offer to double what the police would pay and walk with them to a local gun store. Would piss off the PoPo sure, but that's a heck of a lot better than letting a work of art get destroyed.

Exactly. So, in those states with less freedom like PA, invite an FFL to come along and call in checks as necessary. Wins all around.


My friend, I think I see a fine business opportunity waiting for us!
 
2013-01-28 05:29:50 PM  

scubamage: UberDave: BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.

How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.

I have an old POS Remington pump 12ga with a warped 36" barrel that I'll sell you for $3500....


/Don't ask me how the barrel got warped.

So uhhhh, how did the barrel get warped? ;)


:)

This isn't for "sensitive" ears so stop reading now if you don't like stories about hunting animals...


...It was one of my dad's old shotguns.  When I was a teenager, I used to take it out into the woods behind the house and thin out the really abundant squirrel horde.  If I shot one that fell but wasn't dead, I would beat it over the head with the end of the barrel.  And with a 36" barrel, that worked really well.
 
2013-01-28 05:34:44 PM  

UberDave: scubamage: UberDave: BronyMedic: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.

How legal is it to set out there and actually appraise or offer to buy those guns from them before they reach the buyback. As long as it's not a Class III firearm, I'd be willing to part a few hundred dollars to suckersfine upstanding citizens for their rare gun.

I have an old POS Remington pump 12ga with a warped 36" barrel that I'll sell you for $3500....


/Don't ask me how the barrel got warped.

So uhhhh, how did the barrel get warped? ;)

:)

This isn't for "sensitive" ears so stop reading now if you don't like stories about hunting animals...


...It was one of my dad's old shotguns.  When I was a teenager, I used to take it out into the woods behind the house and thin out the really abundant squirrel horde.  If I shot one that fell but wasn't dead, I would beat it over the head with the end of the barrel.  And with a 36" barrel, that worked really well.


...using the BUTT of the shotgun never occurred to you, teenage Dave? You know, the solid wooden end that doesn't bend so much?
[rolls eyes]
Kids.
 
2013-01-28 05:37:11 PM  

UberDave: I don't know what you are thinking here.


Well, before I go any farther, let me ask you this: have you actually tested your setup, and if so what is your spread at the range you will be shooting, and how many layers of sheetrock did you penetrate? I've done my own tests, and they pretty much match the findings over at box-o-truth. I had very little spread at 10' (my margin of error is now measured at maaaaaybe 2", which while technically better than .45" still isn't 'kinda point at the bad guy and knock him down' territory), and I'll still easily go through one residential wall. Personally, I don't really see than as a whole hell of a lot better than a pistol. I still have to aim pretty well, and in most places in my apartment if I only have one wall between me and killing (or at least hurting) my neighbor.

Look, I'm not knocking your choice of weapon. All I'm saying is it just might not be exactly what you think it is.
 
2013-01-28 05:37:51 PM  

Verzio: BronyMedic: Dimensio: While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?

I'm not too sure of the crime statistics, but I'm pretty sure high-end, rare hunting shotguns aren't being used in many crimes in the United States.

Homicides by shotgun, 2010: 373
Homicides by hitting people with hands, fists, feet, 2010: 745


The purpose is not an improvement of actual safety, but an improvement of the feeling of safety.
 
2013-01-28 05:43:05 PM  
dancingczars.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-28 05:43:37 PM  

justtray: How many children has obama killed?


With his own hands, or via his vast illuminati-funded network of covert babysassins?
 
2013-01-28 05:44:03 PM  
I have an old Navy Arms Country Boy muzzle loader that is rusted shut, sitting in the garage. I can't wait for the next gun buy back here. It is literally worthless, but I'll sell it to the cops for $100, then turn around and use that money to buy a good gun off someone else standing in line.
 
2013-01-28 05:44:16 PM  

kombat_unit: Gratz Seattle, your mayor is a potato.


He's a neck-bearded hippie potato in a cheap suit,
 
2013-01-28 05:44:23 PM  
"He added that the private sales of the missile launch tube and other weapons illustrate the need for comprehensive background checks as proposed by President Barack Obama, as well as other regulations at the state level."

Because there's nothing criminals like to obey more than rules and regulations.
 
2013-01-28 05:44:34 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: GanjSmokr: You'll need special teflon coated cop killer hollow point full metal jacket bullet casing shells loaded into a 30 round extended high capacity bullet clip magazine sheath holder that's clipped into a black military style automatic AK-47 assault semi-automatic glock M-16-60 rifle weapon with a barrel shroud. That'll get right through those bullet proof vests.

That was painful.


Agreed.
 
2013-01-28 05:45:15 PM  

ajgeek: Eh, the device was deployed. It's the gun equivalent of finding a used condom.


More like a tampon applicator.
 
2013-01-28 05:46:37 PM  

angry_scientist: Where else is a bolt action Sears shotgun to go?


That's it. I have an old Monkey Ward single shot 12GA where the action breaks open after each shot, as if you hit the release lever. So, I don't shoot it, don't really need it, and would never knowingly rip someone off on a defective item. Now I'm thinking it wouldn't get me all that much at a turn in, but maybe if I were to attend this type of turn-in and saw the barrel down in the parking lot first that might improve its "we gotta get this off the street" value.

/disclaimer, blah blah blah, whatever
 
2013-01-28 05:52:38 PM  
If I had a rocket launcher

protestmusic.net
 
2013-01-28 05:52:59 PM  

Lsherm: Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!" if these buyback programs really WERE getting AK after AK I think I'd set up a booth myself.

I went to Bass Pro this weekend because I wanted to pick up a Henry Golden Boy and there was a jackass at the counter screaming about not being able to get an XM-15 (I think) because they didn't have any in stock.  I don't think there's a gun store in the state of Virginia that has a semiautomatic rifle left, at least not ones that shoot NATO rounds.


Stopped by a store for some 12 gauge ammo and they were out of semi-autos and don't even ask about mags.  They did have an upper with grenade launcher, but the guys said they think the owner's not selling it.
 
2013-01-28 05:54:05 PM  
Was it on fark a couple weeks ago that the story was posted about an old woman bringing in a STG-44 to a gun buy back? The cops couldn't let her do it and directed her to a museum or collector - good to know there's a few cops out there with sense in their head.

FTFA:
"He added that the private sales of the missile launch tube and other weapons illustrate the need for comprehensive background checks as proposed by President Barack Obama, as well as other regulations at the state level."

Yes, decorative garbage from surplus stores illustrates the need for comprehensive background checks.
*eye rolling gif*
 
2013-01-28 05:54:25 PM  

UberDave: Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!"

Tell me about it.  Some sporting goods stores moved all of their 9mm, 45 ACP, .22, etc. ect. behind the damn counter.  And they are completely out of most of it.  Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

A buddy of mine from the service used to go out to the range (off-base) all the time when we served.  That was right when the weapons ban and magazine restrictions were implemented.  I don't remember it being anywhere near this crazy.


Too bad you're not in VA.  I have a case of it, I think.  Never had a .22 weapon, either.  Got it as part of a large ammo transfer because the guy who had it didn't want it.
 
2013-01-28 05:54:37 PM  
It's so funny. When I say every gun owner is a tobacco-dipping, toothless, uneducated hick revolutionary domestic terrorist, they act like it's an unfair stereotype and I'm some sort of "gun-grabber."

But a bunch of gun-toting sissypantses saying that all journalists are stupid and lazy - every last one of 'em? That's totally cool.
 
2013-01-28 05:56:12 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: "street sweepers"


The only gun that is illegal to own in VA.  Apparently, even we can be victims to public panic and hype.  Sure, you can own a belt-fed machine gun, but not a street sweeper.
 
2013-01-28 05:57:26 PM  

justtray: It's Me Bender: I_Am_Weasel: If I had a missile launcher, I'd make somebody pay.

Eh, there's no way you could kill even 1% as many children as Obama has with his missiles.

How many children has obama killed?


That's one of those questions that is unlikely to find a reasonable and trustworthy answer in a public forum.
 
2013-01-28 05:57:30 PM  
The single-use device is a launch tube assembly for a Stinger portable surface-to-air missile and already had been used.

Anyone point that out yet?
It's not a missile launcher, it's literally a piece of garbage.
Whoever turned it in should have gotten nothing or arrested for fraud.
 
2013-01-28 05:58:22 PM  

hamdinger: It's so funny. When I say every gun owner is a tobacco-dipping, toothless, uneducated hick revolutionary domestic terrorist, they act like it's an unfair stereotype and I'm some sort of "gun-grabber."

But a bunch of gun-toting sissypantses saying that all journalists are stupid and lazy - every last one of 'em? That's totally cool.


Trollin' a little hard there ain't ya?
*spits*
 
2013-01-28 05:58:46 PM  

Lsherm: BronyMedic: scubamage: FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall

No choke, and rock salt rounds if you feel bad about killing someone. It won't kill them, but it'll make them wish they were dead.

That apparently really, really depends on the distance.

Is there anyone who even sells rock salt shells or is it the kind of thing you have to make on your own?  I've never actually met anyone who has used them.


Looks like these guys do - along with a bunch of other types.

Link
 
2013-01-28 06:02:01 PM  

Lsherm: tallguywithglasseson: But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.

I've never been hit with a .22 round, but this whole "I need a bullet that will stop a man in his tracks after one shot" mentality is a little odd.  A .22lr can still do plenty of damage, and if you remain calm and manage to get more than one into somebody, I doubt they're going to stick with their initial plan to rape your family.  They will most likely be trying to get the hell away from you.

I'm not saying you advocate this argument, just that I've seen it before.


The whole "stopping power" thing is a myth.

And the .22 cal kills more people in the US than any other round.

/Of course, that's probably a function of popularity
//But then, it also means it works just fine
 
2013-01-28 06:05:05 PM  
This was a Stinger tube, not a LAW or something else you can buy. Somebody was very bad to take this off base; not dangerous but very, very illegal.
 
2013-01-28 06:05:16 PM  

hamdinger: It's so funny. When I say every gun owner is a tobacco-dipping, toothless, uneducated hick revolutionary domestic terrorist, they act like it's an unfair stereotype and I'm some sort of "gun-grabber."

But a bunch of gun-toting sissypantses saying that all journalists are stupid and lazy - every last one of 'em? That's totally cool.


Think about science journalism in the popular press and tell me it's not true.
 
2013-01-28 06:10:10 PM  

vygramul: hamdinger: It's so funny. When I say every gun owner is a tobacco-dipping, toothless, uneducated hick revolutionary domestic terrorist, they act like it's an unfair stereotype and I'm some sort of "gun-grabber."

But a bunch of gun-toting sissypantses saying that all journalists are stupid and lazy - every last one of 'em? That's totally cool.

Think about science journalism in the popular press and tell me it's not true.


Wait, so the Space Shuttle wasn't moving 18 times the speed of light?
 
2013-01-28 06:12:03 PM  

cretinbob: The single-use device is a launch tube assembly for a Stinger portable surface-to-air missile and already had been used.

Anyone point that out yet?
It's not a missile launcher, it's literally a piece of garbage.
Whoever turned it in should have gotten nothing or arrested for fraud.


The two of them that were turned in LA were similar. I think one of them had never been fired in the first place and was then rendered permanently disabled and the other one was a demo model which could never be modded to fire

but omg. rockets.
 
2013-01-28 06:16:51 PM  

BronyMedic: Has anyone notice that in EVERY gun buyback program, some idiot has turned in a rather rare, discontinued or antique firearm that would be worth FAR more than a 200 dollar gift card - like in the thousands area - for chump change?


I would guess that it was stolen.

I don't understand this program or the people that turn their guns in.
 
2013-01-28 06:17:21 PM  

UberDave: Because People in power are Stupid: (pic of Davy Crockett bomb)


For use in home defense...when your attacker/intruder brings a brigade or two of thugs along.


Not unheard of in east la
 
2013-01-28 06:17:51 PM  
LAW tube + bottle rocket = weapon

/over 7 years ago
 
2013-01-28 06:18:19 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: UberDave: I don't know what you are thinking here.

Well, before I go any farther, let me ask you this: have you actually tested your setup, and if so what is your spread at the range you will be shooting, and how many layers of sheetrock did you penetrate? I've done my own tests, and they pretty much match the findings over at box-o-truth. I had very little spread at 10' (my margin of error is now measured at maaaaaybe 2", which while technically better than .45" still isn't 'kinda point at the bad guy and knock him down' territory), and I'll still easily go through one residential wall. Personally, I don't really see than as a whole hell of a lot better than a pistol. I still have to aim pretty well, and in most places in my apartment if I only have one wall between me and killing (or at least hurting) my neighbor.

Look, I'm not knocking your choice of weapon. All I'm saying is it just might not be exactly what you think it is.


Yes, I've done all manner of "testing" on sheetrock, brick, wood, cardboard, particle board, plywood, etc., etc.  And with #8 all the way down to 00 and non-sabot rifled slugs. At 10' there's a good chance the wadding will get penetration much less the pellets.  But I do know a single layer of sheetrock (or just about anything really...hell, even cardboard) is going to slow the hell out of the pellets.  And with most apartments, you have two layers of sheetrock.  And with a house, there's a layer of sheetrock and at least siding to go through.  I single bullet from a relatively HV gun could easily penetrate both layers and be lethal to quite a nice distance.

And I never said the shotgun wouldn't penetrate.  I said it would be *less* likely to injure your neighbors and it certainly will.

Back in the day, I had to carry 870 for a bit (in the service...I own a pre-86 Wingmaster).  At the range, we were putting non-magnum 00 on 1/4 plywood fronted with cardboard at 25 feet.  We were blowing some nice holes but I was surprised how fast the pellets slowed after penetrating the wood (based on +5' wood backing)...I'm talking non lethal at a reasonable distance beyond.  We were even finding stuck pellets trying to exit the wood.  I chalked it up to a bad loads at the time.
 
2013-01-28 06:24:02 PM  

justtray:

Plus, they all wear body armor. You may need hollow points. You can replace the walls. Safety is whats most important.


You know how I know you're a moron?
 
2013-01-28 06:24:41 PM  

AbbeySomeone: BronyMedic: Has anyone notice that in EVERY gun buyback program, some idiot has turned in a rather rare, discontinued or antique firearm that would be worth FAR more than a 200 dollar gift card - like in the thousands area - for chump change?

I would guess that it was stolen.

I don't understand this program or the people that turn their guns in.


I have turned in broken firearms that are dangerous to shoot, have no value as collectibles or display items, and are more expensive to repair than buying new.

/Should have fixed the stock of the 1888 Mauser - that was a fine weapon, but it was also throated.  ~$100 to replace, $350 to repair.  Stock broken during a move.
 
2013-01-28 06:25:24 PM  

vygramul: Lsherm: Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!" if these buyback programs really WERE getting AK after AK I think I'd set up a booth myself.

I went to Bass Pro this weekend because I wanted to pick up a Henry Golden Boy and there was a jackass at the counter screaming about not being able to get an XM-15 (I think) because they didn't have any in stock.  I don't think there's a gun store in the state of Virginia that has a semiautomatic rifle left, at least not ones that shoot NATO rounds.

Stopped by a store for some 12 gauge ammo and they were out of semi-autos and don't even ask about mags.  They did have an upper with grenade launcher, but the guys said they think the owner's not selling it.


I'm kind of sad. After our house was robbed last year my fiance and I picked up a pistol (Ruger SR9 if you're interested, great little gun, lots of extra safety features to help her feel comfortable), so for the long expanses of time when I'm not home my fiance has an extra line of defense after our big-arse ferocious greyhound (if you've ever had a grey you know how threatening they are, lol).

Picked up a 60 pack of generic cartridges, along with a 20 pack of home defense rounds. I wanted to pick up another 200 pack to help her learn to shoot better but last time i looked wally world had them at almost 70$ a pack. It hasn't come back down, when they have them. Wish I had picked them up earlier. Oh wells.
 
2013-01-28 06:25:38 PM  

UberDave: Yes, I've done all manner of "testing" on sheetrock, brick, wood, cardboard, particle board, plywood, etc., etc. And with #8 all the way down to 00 and non-sabot rifled slugs.


Ok. Just checking, most people won't do that, they'll just repeat what they've heard.

UberDave: And I never said the shotgun wouldn't penetrate. I said it would be *less* likely to injure your neighbors and it certainly will.


Somewhat, yes. For me, going through one wall is the same as going through five, since that's all I have between me and my neighbor. I know I can send birdshot through that wall, and I won't use use birdshot as a personal defense round if I can help it, and I can help it.
 
2013-01-28 06:27:55 PM  
o5iiawah:Makes me wish I had bought a few crates of Mosin-nagants and Norinco SKS rifles pre-hysteria. Shiat, you could get a crate of 20 mosins for $1,000

It can be better than that.   I bought 20ish 'gunsmith special' Mosins (functional but missing minor parts here & there) from 4 different Eastern Block countries for $400 with the intent of combining them to make complete ones.  I figured that out of each group of 5 I could make 4 complete ones & then give 1 to each of my kids (instant collection starter or if you're in the media, instant arsenal...), 1 for me & 1 junker.  Of course, as with most other projects around here very little was done on them over the years & they are still in assorted piles of parts down in the basement.  If they ever have a buy back around here I'll need to throw a bunch of parts together to make a 'working' rifle & help the community out by getting these eeeevil baby killers off of the streets (with a gain to me of $80 ea if they're giving $100 per)..... ow, I think I just sprained something rolling my eyes so hard.

Sadly, or thankfully, people around here seem to think that the buy backs are as idiotic as they sound & don't have them unless a local politician really needs some face time on the nooze.
 
KIA
2013-01-28 06:28:18 PM  
So, uhh... anyone know whether my friend's discarded LAW tube is legal / worth anything? I understand it was used for training purposes for a few years, then given away to anyone who wanted it as a curio :)
 
2013-01-28 06:30:00 PM  
So, I'm happy to report that apparantly, you don't have to wait 10 days to get a pistol in Tennessee anymore.

I got my gun, I'm happy. It's a .40 S&W 99, the licensed American production version of the Walther P99. Only problem is the sights are faded, but I plan on replacing them with night sights for concealed carry.
 
2013-01-28 06:30:56 PM  

scubamage: Picked up a 60 pack of generic cartridges, along with a 20 pack of home defense rounds. I wanted to pick up another 200 pack to help her learn to shoot better but last time i looked wally world had them at almost 70$ a pack. It hasn't come back down, when they have them. Wish I had picked them up earlier. Oh wells.


I've got more target loads than I'm likely to use in the next couple of years.  Not since I moved to Charlottesville, where the only range is at a club that I'm not really interested in joining.
 
2013-01-28 06:31:10 PM  
vygramul:

And the .22 cal kills more people in the US than any other round.

/Of course, that's probably a function of popularity
//But then, it also means it works just fine



I didn't know this.  But I can definitely see that.

CSB: In my youth, a friend and I were out hunting squirrel in the national forest during the rut and for some dumb reason we only took our .22s (no deer rifle).  We're sitting up about 40 yards apart and across this gully comes this 8-point.  My friend who was using CCI Stingers takes aim and fires.  The deer goes down like a sack of bricks....not even a twitch.  We walk over and get to within about 30 yards and that thing jumps up and hauls ass.  We look around and there's a tiny little drop of blood and that's it.  My friend aimed for the head.  I think that hollow point hit the hard bone on the head and came apart but knocked the deer unconscious.

My only remark was, "well...this is why we don't shoot deer with .22s...and leave our deer rifles at camp."
 
2013-01-28 06:31:35 PM  

KIA: So, uhh... anyone know whether my friend's discarded LAW tube is legal / worth anything? I understand it was used for training purposes for a few years, then given away to anyone who wanted it as a curio :)


Is it blue?
 
2013-01-28 06:33:39 PM  

KIA: So, uhh... anyone know whether my friend's discarded LAW tube is legal / worth anything? I understand it was used for training purposes for a few years, then given away to anyone who wanted it as a curio :)


If it was a training LAW, it has a way to load a 9mm Tracer round in it IIRC. I'd be holding onto it if I were you.
 
2013-01-28 06:33:48 PM  

KIA: So, uhh... anyone know whether my friend's discarded LAW tube is legal / worth anything? I understand it was used for training purposes for a few years, then given away to anyone who wanted it as a curio :)


I've seen used LAW tubes in surplus stores for between $75 - $100. Doesn't mean they were selling for that price, or at least not flying off the shelf...I'd put one in my garage/man cave for $25 or $30, but that's about it...
 
2013-01-28 06:35:51 PM  

BronyMedic: So, I'm happy to report that apparantly, you don't have to wait 10 days to get a pistol in Tennessee anymore.

I got my gun, I'm happy. It's a .40 S&W 99, the licensed American production version of the Walther P99. Only problem is the sights are faded, but I plan on replacing them with night sights for concealed carry.


nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D
 
2013-01-28 06:35:52 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: UberDave: For use in home defense...when your attacker/intruder brings a brigade or two of thugs along.

No it's for when the get away car is almost at the end of the street.


zero survivors


......in a different city. No sure if you know what the picture of the weapon is of? hint: google M-29 Davy Crockett tactical nuclear recoilless gun
 
2013-01-28 06:38:26 PM  

UberDave:
No.  If I'm running high-brass squirrel shot through a full choke 20 gauge, I do *not* have to aim well....especially within the confines of a home.  Or do you actually think by "not aim well" I mean "point the gun 180 degrees away from your target"?  Of course you have to point at the damn target (or in the case of a shotgun, in the vicinity of the target).


And are you saying that a shotgun blast is *just as likely* (notice I said "less likely" in my statement) to fly into your neighbor's house and injure someone as a bullet?  Again, no.  A jacketed conical round flying at 2900+ feet a second is going to go right through the wall of your house, keep going and penetrate your neighbor's house if it is in the way.  A wad of round pellets flying at ~1300 feet a second isn't going to do the same by a long shot.

I don't know what you are thinking here.  Maybe you think I'm advocating a gun ban because "shotguns are just fine for defense."  Not at all.  If you want to mount a tripod and 50mm chain cannon on the other side of your front door, the more power to you.


Sounds like a job for the Box o' Truth
 
2013-01-28 06:38:39 PM  

BronyMedic: KIA: So, uhh... anyone know whether my friend's discarded LAW tube is legal / worth anything? I understand it was used for training purposes for a few years, then given away to anyone who wanted it as a curio :)

If it was a training LAW, it has a way to load a 9mm Tracer round in it IIRC. I'd be holding onto it if I were you.


FYI you have unrelated email. Also no BIE.
 
2013-01-28 06:39:22 PM  

please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D


Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".
 
2013-01-28 06:40:10 PM  

Recoil Therapy: o5iiawah:Makes me wish I had bought a few crates of Mosin-nagants and Norinco SKS rifles pre-hysteria. Shiat, you could get a crate of 20 mosins for $1,000

It can be better than that.   I bought 20ish 'gunsmith special' Mosins (functional but missing minor parts here & there) from 4 different Eastern Block countries for $400 with the intent of combining them to make complete ones.  I figured that out of each group of 5 I could make 4 complete ones & then give 1 to each of my kids (instant collection starter or if you're in the media, instant arsenal...), 1 for me & 1 junker.  Of course, as with most other projects around here very little was done on them over the years & they are still in assorted piles of parts down in the basement.  If they ever have a buy back around here I'll need to throw a bunch of parts together to make a 'working' rifle & help the community out by getting these eeeevil baby killers off of the streets (with a gain to me of $80 ea if they're giving $100 per)..... ow, I think I just sprained something rolling my eyes so hard.

Sadly, or thankfully, people around here seem to think that the buy backs are as idiotic as they sound & don't have them unless a local politician really needs some face time on the nooze.


email saved for future reference.
 
2013-01-28 06:40:30 PM  

UberDave: Noticeably F.A.T.: UberDave: I don't know what you are thinking here.

Well, before I go any farther, let me ask you this: have you actually tested your setup, and if so what is your spread at the range you will be shooting, and how many layers of sheetrock did you penetrate? I've done my own tests, and they pretty much match the findings over at box-o-truth. I had very little spread at 10' (my margin of error is now measured at maaaaaybe 2", which while technically better than .45" still isn't 'kinda point at the bad guy and knock him down' territory), and I'll still easily go through one residential wall. Personally, I don't really see than as a whole hell of a lot better than a pistol. I still have to aim pretty well, and in most places in my apartment if I only have one wall between me and killing (or at least hurting) my neighbor.

Look, I'm not knocking your choice of weapon. All I'm saying is it just might not be exactly what you think it is.

Yes, I've done all manner of "testing" on sheetrock, brick, wood, cardboard, particle board, plywood, etc., etc.  And with #8 all the way down to 00 and non-sabot rifled slugs. At 10' there's a good chance the wadding will get penetration much less the pellets.  But I do know a single layer of sheetrock (or just about anything really...hell, even cardboard) is going to slow the hell out of the pellets.  And with most apartments, you have two layers of sheetrock.  And with a house, there's a layer of sheetrock and at least siding to go through.  I single bullet from a relatively HV gun could easily penetrate both layers and be lethal to quite a nice distance.

And I never said the shotgun wouldn't penetrate.  I said it would be *less* likely to injure your neighbors and it certainly will.

Back in the day, I had to carry 870 for a bit (in the service...I own a pre-86 Wingmaster).  At the range, we were putting non-magnum 00 on 1/4 plywood fronted with cardboard at 25 feet.  We were blowing some nice holes but I was surpr ...


00 is effective close up, but slows down fast. I have taken plenty of deer with it though, despite what the internet know-it-alls say.

csb time - working in the butts in Marine basic I often pulled rounds out of the canvas target that got stuck - undoubtedly bad rounds, but still surprising and interesting.
 
2013-01-28 06:43:31 PM  

UberDave: Mr. Coffee Nerves: With a real Russian-made Saiga AK-47 going for almost $2,000 thanks to the derp brigade stirring up "Look behind you! It's Obama with a ACLU-built, Soros-endorsed, Johnny-Depp-kissed gun magnet! Run! Run for your lives...to the gun store and stock up on these amazing bargains for a limited time only!"

Tell me about it.  Some sporting goods stores moved all of their 9mm, 45 ACP, .22, etc. ect. behind the damn counter.  And they are completely out of most of it.  Why in the world is there no .22lr anywhere?!

A buddy of mine from the service used to go out to the range (off-base) all the time when we served.  That was right when the weapons ban and magazine restrictions were implemented.  I don't remember it being anywhere near this crazy.


I think we had a discussion about the ammo situation and Walmart once before. Damned if you werent right. The only thing left were shotgun shells. We have a large gun shop locally that still has a ton of all varieties of ammo at reasonable prices. 9 mm target rounds were only $16.99 a box. You could get a box of 500 .22lr for like $30. They also still had quite a few AR and AR type rifles still but I did not check the prices. I have no use for one really.

/the reason they still have ammo is because of a strict 2 box per type per day policy.
//our local Walmarts are not going to restock and are getting rid of their firearms sections altogether
///overheard more than one person talking to the guys behind the counter and asking questions about what type of gun would they recommend for someone who has never shot one before. Its kind of scary to think that all of a sudden you have a lot of people out there with guns and no experience who only bought one because they think Obama will be banning them all.
 
2013-01-28 06:43:46 PM  

BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".


yup, there is already "gun control". The debate is just where the line is. i think things are fine as-is, but there are a few measures I wouldn't get too twisted about. I don't think picking and choosing models within the same type is effective though, they can just change the name.

Have you shot it? How do you like it?
 
2013-01-28 06:45:05 PM  

vygramul: hamdinger: It's so funny. When I say every gun owner is a tobacco-dipping, toothless, uneducated hick revolutionary domestic terrorist, they act like it's an unfair stereotype and I'm some sort of "gun-grabber."

But a bunch of gun-toting sissypantses saying that all journalists are stupid and lazy - every last one of 'em? That's totally cool.

Think about science journalism in the popular press and tell me it's not true.


This.

Every single time I read a popular press article about something I have detailed knowledge of, they get something major fundamentally *WRONG*. And that's just science stuff they could look up with very minimal effort.

So why should I trust them to report on other subjects if they can't get something relatively simple like science reporting right?

/Science is, at its heart, pretty damned simple.
 
2013-01-28 06:45:17 PM  

Recoil Therapy: o5iiawah:Makes me wish I had bought a few crates of Mosin-nagants and Norinco SKS rifles pre-hysteria. Shiat, you could get a crate of 20 mosins for $1,000

It can be better than that.   I bought 20ish 'gunsmith special' Mosins (functional but missing minor parts here & there) from 4 different Eastern Block countries for $400 with the intent of combining them to make complete ones.  I figured that out of each group of 5 I could make 4 complete ones & then give 1 to each of my kids (instant collection starter or if you're in the media, instant arsenal...), 1 for me & 1 junker.  Of course, as with most other projects around here very little was done on them over the years & they are still in assorted piles of parts down in the basement.  If they ever have a buy back around here I'll need to throw a bunch of parts together to make a 'working' rifle & help the community out by getting these eeeevil baby killers off of the streets (with a gain to me of $80 ea if they're giving $100 per)..... ow, I think I just sprained something rolling my eyes so hard.

Sadly, or thankfully, people around here seem to think that the buy backs are as idiotic as they sound & don't have them unless a local politician really needs some face time on the nooze.


Mosins are my favorite project guns. I wish I lived near you, I take a couple off yours hands...
 
2013-01-28 06:47:09 PM  

please: Recoil Therapy: o5iiawah:Makes me wish I had bought a few crates of Mosin-nagants and Norinco SKS rifles pre-hysteria. Shiat, you could get a crate of 20 mosins for $1,000

Sadly, or thankfully, people around here seem to think that the buy backs are as idiotic as they sound & don't have them unless a local politician really needs some face time on the nooze.

Mosins are my favorite project guns. I wish I lived near you, I take a couple off yours hands...


Few things are more awesome during northeast winters than taking a beaten, abused, dinged and pitted mosin-nagant stock and doing a complete refinish.
 
2013-01-28 06:47:18 PM  

BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".


Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.
 
2013-01-28 06:47:53 PM  

please: Have you shot it? How do you like it?


I have not yet. I'm about to go to the gun range in the morning and shoot some rounds off. I've shot .40 Glocks, though, and thought the recoil wasn't too bad.

please: I don't think picking and choosing models within the same type is effective though, they can just change the name.


I tend to generally agree, but I do think certain models, based on the features they have - including semi-automatic handguns - should require more in depth of a check in regards to mental health (maybe requiring a doctor's signature that you're of sound mind?) and interconnected ability to search multiple databases for issues.

I think it's far too easy for the mentally ill in America to get their hands on weapons.
 
2013-01-28 06:48:51 PM  

Lsherm: Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.


It's 12 here, IIRC, for the basic permit and you have to pass four hours of range time. The only good thing is that it's a Shall Issue state, so there aren't any additional hurdles to jump through once I pass the class.
 
2013-01-28 06:50:12 PM  
That's nothing. My dad's freind's Father had a M72 LAW. He and his friends would use it to fire bottle rockets.
 
2013-01-28 06:50:37 PM  

Lsherm: BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".

Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.


Clark Bros. on rte 29 in Warrenton offers one every Saturday at 8am.  (Call first to ensure space.)  About an hour from DC, Charlottesville, Fredericksburg, and just a little more from Richmond.
 
2013-01-28 06:51:43 PM  

vygramul: Lsherm: BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".

Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.

Clark Bros. on rte 29 in Warrenton offers one every Saturday at 8am.  (Call first to ensure space.)  About an hour from DC, Charlottesville, Fredericksburg, and just a little more from Richmond.


Wasn't VA the state that caused so much drama by accepting an online certificate for CCW for a few years?
 
2013-01-28 06:51:52 PM  

Richard C Stanford: That's nothing. My dad's freind's Father had a M72 LAW. He and his friends would use it to fire bottle rockets.


5" shell casing makes for a decent umbrella stand.
 
2013-01-28 06:52:15 PM  

GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I know that the thread has already reached derp level 9 but I'd like to point out that the AVERAGE PERSON can't tell the difference between a spent rocket tube and "AHHHHHHH!!!! A BAZOOKA!!!!" which is why there are laws against their sale in the first place. It's borderline useless as a weapon (they make an unwieldy club) but can easily be used to incite panic under the right circumstances.


Yeah, well the ladies say the same thing about my wang.
 
2013-01-28 06:53:01 PM  

BronyMedic: Wasn't VA the state that caused so much drama by accepting an online certificate for CCW for a few years?


I don't recall that.  I lost my first certificate, so I have to take the class again - but that would be fine.  The law has changed and I could use a refresher.
 
2013-01-28 06:53:05 PM  

Lsherm: BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".

Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.


In PA they have to prove reasoning to deny you a concealed carry permit, which everyone really should get just because of some of the dumbarse laws we have (set your pistol on the back of your car at the range - that's a felony, stop for dinner after shooting - same thing, but neither one is if you have a concealed carry permit).

Though I think folks who do intend to carry really should sign up for some classes. There's a ton of private companies to go through. Something which ends with you training with a MOUT course would be the best. I'm fine with you wanting to concealed carry, or open carry, just know how to use the thing in the situation for which you are carrying it.

/liberal gun owner
//loves his rights, but ok with some minor tweaks to current controls
 
2013-01-28 06:53:37 PM  

BronyMedic: please: Have you shot it? How do you like it?

I have not yet. I'm about to go to the gun range in the morning and shoot some rounds off. I've shot .40 Glocks, though, and thought the recoil wasn't too bad.

please: I don't think picking and choosing models within the same type is effective though, they can just change the name.

I tend to generally agree, but I do think certain models, based on the features they have - including semi-automatic handguns - should require more in depth of a check in regards to mental health (maybe requiring a doctor's signature that you're of sound mind?) and interconnected ability to search multiple databases for issues.

I think it's far too easy for the mentally ill in America to get their hands on weapons.



I agree. I also think that if you are willing to take effective training and have a clean record and no significant mental illness, you should be able to purchase anything up to belt fed 7.62.
 
2013-01-28 06:55:27 PM  

vygramul: Lsherm: BronyMedic: please: nice pick up.. I'm shocked that TN ever had a 10 day waiting period for pistols...Michigan just legalized suppressors, I have an appointment for my sherrif's signature. :D

Apparently Walther stopped making the P99 and went to the PPQ. So meh. Hard to find them.

I'm just waiting for a good CCW class to open up. The range in Bartlett offers a Level 1 CCW class, and the subsequent levels focus on tactical handgunning and practical shooting. I think I'm going to look into them. If I'm going to carry a weapon, I atleast want to know how to use it.

/Amazing, isn't it? Someone can be for CCW, and also for certain measures associated with "gun control".

Here in VA you can't get a concealed carry permit without taking a class.  I think it has to be at least 8 hours.

Clark Bros. on rte 29 in Warrenton offers one every Saturday at 8am.  (Call first to ensure space.)  About an hour from DC, Charlottesville, Fredericksburg, and just a little more from Richmond.


Nah - these guys offer classes at my Bass Pro shop and at a range near Kings Dominion, which is tons closer.

I don't really need a carry permit, though.
 
2013-01-28 06:56:55 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: you should be able to purchase anything up to belt fed 7.62.


Well, yeah, if you have 25 grand to drop.

I'd be going the hookers and blow route, myself.

/I've thought about getting my pyrotechnics technician license to get around that pesky "Destructive Device" law.
 
2013-01-28 07:01:09 PM  

BronyMedic: globalwarmingpraiser: you should be able to purchase anything up to belt fed 7.62.

Well, yeah, if you have 25 grand to drop.

I'd be going the hookers and blow route, myself.

/I've thought about getting my pyrotechnics technician license to get around that pesky "Destructive Device" law.



If you could buy new, the prices would drop precipitously. Ammo would be a killer though.
 
2013-01-28 07:02:23 PM  

BronyMedic: Wasn't VA the state that caused so much drama by accepting an online certificate for CCW for a few years?


Yeah, that was us.

As near as I can tell, you can still do it online.  You have to take the class, but it doesn't require a live fire demonstration, so once you pass the test, you can print out a certificate and use it to apply for a CCW permit.  Turns out they took away the time requirement, too.

Sample question (T/F):   Mechanical safeties are fool-proof and will never fail.
 
2013-01-28 07:03:00 PM  

globalwarmingpraiser: If you could buy new, the prices would drop precipitously. Ammo would be a killer though.


Well, just looking at the M240 Bravo, it's unit replacement cost for the USMC is 6,600 dollars, but I'm sure that's because they bought in bulk. I imagine it'd cost MUCH more for a civilian owner to buy,
 
2013-01-28 07:08:07 PM  

BronyMedic: So, I'm happy to report that apparantly, you don't have to wait 10 days to get a pistol in Tennessee anymore.

I got my gun, I'm happy. It's a .40 S&W 99, the licensed American production version of the Walther P99. Only problem is the sights are faded, but I plan on replacing them with night sights for concealed carry.


I have (pretty much) the same gun. I have the QA without the double action. Shorter trigger pull. Shoots like a dream.
 
2013-01-28 07:10:05 PM  

BronyMedic: globalwarmingpraiser: If you could buy new, the prices would drop precipitously. Ammo would be a killer though.

Well, just looking at the M240 Bravo, it's unit replacement cost for the USMC is 6,600 dollars, but I'm sure that's because they bought in bulk. I imagine it'd cost MUCH more for a civilian owner to buy,


I think there has been 1 transferable full-auto M240, and it went for 175k...
 
2013-01-28 07:15:32 PM  
The important thing is that a bunch of people who may or may not have been legally allowed to buy guns were able to do so with the presumption of legality because there is no required checking of private sales conducted in cash on the sidewalk between anonymous people.

This proves gun laws don't work and therefore there should be no gun laws.
 
2013-01-28 07:22:37 PM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: The important thing is that a bunch of people who may or may not have been legally allowed to buy guns were able to do so with the presumption of legality because there is no required checking of private sales conducted in cash on the sidewalk between anonymous people.

This proves gun laws don't work and therefore there should be no gun laws.


GOOD NEWS! Law Enforcement agencies have their own special sets of gun laws, as do PMCs authorized by the US State Department and US DOJ.
 
2013-01-28 07:23:00 PM  

Giltric: DeathCipris: Comment FTA sums it up pretty well.

"A spent launch tube does not classify as a weapon unless you plan on using it as a club."

No no no no no this sums up very well FTFA....

He added that the private sales of the missile launch tube and other weapons illustrate the need for comprehensive background checks


If they can't dazzle people with brilliance they baffle them with bullshiat.


I love that the police are complaining that people are doing the same thing they are-buying weapons without a background check.
 
2013-01-28 07:43:39 PM  

pedrop357: I love that the police are complaining that people are doing the same thing they are-buying weapons without a background check.


You honestly don't see the difference between  A Law Enforcement Agencyoffering cash incentives to get unwanted weapons off the street from, ostensibly, gullible people, and a  random guy selling to another  random guy?

That's a stupid comment. And you should be ashamed for posting it.
 
2013-01-28 07:51:33 PM  
Lyrics:

Here comes the helicopter -- second time today
Everybody scatters and hopes it goes away
How many kids they've murdered only God can say
If I had a rocket launcher...I'd make somebody pay

I don't believe in guarded borders and I don't believe in hate
I don't believe in generals or their stinking torture states
And when I talk with the survivors of things too sickening to relate
Bruce Cockburn

If I had a rocket launcher...I would retaliate

On the Rio Lacantun, one hundred thousand wait
To fall down from starvation -- or some less humane fate
Cry for guatemala, with a corpse in every gate
If I had a rocket launcher...I would not hesitate

I want to raise every voice -- at least I've got to try
Every time I think about it water rises to my eyes.
Situation desperate, echoes of the victims cry
If I had a rocket launcher...Some son of a biatch would die
 
2013-01-28 07:53:40 PM  

BronyMedic: pedrop357: I love that the police are complaining that people are doing the same thing they are-buying weapons without a background check.

You honestly don't see the difference between  A Law Enforcement Agencyoffering cash incentives to get unwanted weapons off the street from, ostensibly, gullible people, and a  random guy selling to another  random guy?

That's a stupid comment. And you should be ashamed for posting it.


I like how you dress up the police version. You should be in PR.

In the end, the police were doing the same thing:buying guns from people, no questions asked, no forms, possibly no records at (at least until the 5 guns purchased make it to the police station for inspection.)
 
2013-01-28 07:56:55 PM  

pedrop357: In the end, the police were doing the same thing:buying guns from people, no questions asked, no forms, possibly no records at (at least until the 5 guns purchased make it to the police station for inspection.)


ITS TRUE I TELL YOU! AND THE FLOURIDE IN OUR WATER IS FOR MIND CONTROL FROM THE EVIL REPTILE ALIENS!

www.fpif.org

Seriously. You sound INCREDIBLY stupid right now. What you're saying is, in a nutshell, that the police are using public tax money to run a buyback program, and then stealing the weapons they have to LOG IN to give out the cards before they make it back to the destruction area, without ANYONE noticing it? Despite the fact this has not happened ONCE in the last 20 years of Gun Buyback programs being used?
 
2013-01-28 08:17:57 PM  

BronyMedic: GOOD NEWS! Law Enforcement agencies have their own special sets of gun laws, as do PMCs authorized by the US State Department and US DOJ.


I'm talking about the random people on the sidewalk buying guns from the random people on the sidewalk, not the people running the legitimate buyback program.

I don't fault you for being confused though because, well... Poe's Law and all that....
 
2013-01-28 08:21:25 PM  
Sounds like a gun thrift shop.
 
2013-01-28 08:22:15 PM  

BronyMedic: pedrop357: In the end, the police were doing the same thing:buying guns from people, no questions asked, no forms, possibly no records at (at least until the 5 guns purchased make it to the police station for inspection.)

ITS TRUE I TELL YOU! AND THE FLOURIDE IN OUR WATER IS FOR MIND CONTROL FROM THE EVIL REPTILE ALIENS!

[www.fpif.org image 800x600]

Seriously. You sound INCREDIBLY stupid right now. What you're saying is, in a nutshell, that the police are using public tax money to run a buyback program, and then stealing the weapons they have to LOG IN to give out the cards before they make it back to the destruction area, without ANYONE noticing it? Despite the fact this has not happened ONCE in the last 20 years of Gun Buyback programs being used?


You and I are mostly on the same page, but there is a actually a HUGE history of cops abusing gun buyback programs. Not as institutions, usually, but as individuals.
 
2013-01-28 08:24:19 PM  

please: You and I are mostly on the same page, but there is a actually a HUGE history of cops abusing gun buyback programs. Not as institutions, usually, but as individuals.


Really? I wasn't even aware of this. Do you have a link to any news stories?
 
2013-01-28 08:48:45 PM  

BronyMedic: pedrop357: In the end, the police were doing the same thing:buying guns from people, no questions asked, no forms, possibly no records at (at least until the 5 guns purchased make it to the police station for inspection.)

ITS TRUE I TELL YOU! AND THE FLOURIDE IN OUR WATER IS FOR MIND CONTROL FROM THE EVIL REPTILE ALIENS!

[www.fpif.org image 800x600]

Seriously. You sound INCREDIBLY stupid right now. What you're saying is, in a nutshell, that the police are using public tax money to run a buyback program, and then stealing the weapons they have to LOG IN to give out the cards before they make it back to the destruction area, without ANYONE noticing it? Despite the fact this has not happened ONCE in the last 20 years of Gun Buyback programs being used?


How do you not know about the joke? - "Police seized 10 pounds of marijuana, spokesman claims that the 7 pounds of marijuana has a street value of $7,000,000. Police logged in the 5 pounds of marijuana into evidence that night...."

I notice you glossed over the rest, about how basically the police are unlicensed persons paying money no questions asked for guns and not doing any background checks yet are complaining that other people are doing pretty much the same thing.
 
2013-01-28 08:55:33 PM  
http://www.gazette.net/article/20130116/NEWS/130119403/1124/prince-geo rge-x2019-s-police-officer-found-guilty-of-gun-theft&template=gazette
 
2013-01-28 09:03:04 PM  
http://manhattanda.org/press-release/nypd-officer-charged-stealing-fir earms-lockers-9th-precinct-station-house
 
2013-01-28 09:05:04 PM  
http://clarendonhills.suntimes.com/news/11013415-418/former-clarendon- hills-cop-admits-taking-guns-from-turn-in-program.html
 
2013-01-28 09:18:51 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Heh. Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!

Well, there's about an 11 out of 10 chance you're going to be home invaded, so it's important consider things like ammo that's less likely to give you hearing damage when you're Rambo-ing your house.

But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.


Do you think we can get grant funding for that? Put a bunch of squirrels on PCP, convince them to invade homes, stand around in white lab coats with clip boards & say "hmm" authoritatively while watching!?
 
2013-01-28 09:19:03 PM  

please: there is a actually a HUGE history of cops abusing gun buyback programs.


please: http://www.gazette.net/article/20130116/NEWS/130119403/1124/prince-ge o rge-x2019-s-police-officer-found-guilty-of-gun-theft&template=gazette


please: http://manhattanda.org/press-release/nypd-officer-charged-stealing-fi r earms-lockers-9th-precinct-station-house


please: http://clarendonhills.suntimes.com/news/11013415-418/former-clarendon - hills-cop-admits-taking-guns-from-turn-in-program.html


None of those are buybacks.
 
2013-01-28 09:20:24 PM  

pedrop357: the police are unlicensed persons


Keep up the good work.
 
2013-01-28 09:33:42 PM  

ajgeek: Eh, the device was deployed. It's the gun equivalent of finding a used condom.


I remember in the mid 90's it was common for dealers to sell expended AT4 tubes at a gunshows. The sights were broke off due to the radiation hazard from the glow in the dark paint but otherwise they were safe. Also saw a few M72 LAW and M47 Dragon expended tubes as well during that era. Now days people get all panicy or overractive if they see stuff like that.
 
2013-01-28 09:37:33 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: please: there is a actually a HUGE history of cops abusing gun buyback programs.

please: http://www.gazette.net/article/20130116/NEWS/130119403/1124/prince-ge o rge-x2019-s-police-officer-found-guilty-of-gun-theft&template=gazette

please: http://manhattanda.org/press-release/nypd-officer-charged-stealing-fi r earms-lockers-9th-precinct-station-house

please: http://clarendonhills.suntimes.com/news/11013415-418/former-clarendon - hills-cop-admits-taking-guns-from-turn-in-program.html

None of those are buybacks.


My eyes must be getting bad.
FTFA:
"A former Clarendon Hills police officer charged with stealing four guns collected during a turn-in program..."

and i thew in the others for the disingenuous "what??? cops wouldn't steal guns!!!"
 
2013-01-28 09:43:20 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: please: there is a actually a HUGE history of cops abusing gun buyback programs.

please: http://www.gazette.net/article/20130116/NEWS/130119403/1124/prince-ge o rge-x2019-s-police-officer-found-guilty-of-gun-theft&template=gazette

please: http://manhattanda.org/press-release/nypd-officer-charged-stealing-fi r earms-lockers-9th-precinct-station-house

please: http://clarendonhills.suntimes.com/news/11013415-418/former-clarendon - hills-cop-admits-taking-guns-from-turn-in-program.html

None of those are buybacks.


Well, the last one was a turn in program.  Same idea but no money changes hands.
 
2013-01-28 09:43:53 PM  

Lsherm: BronyMedic: scubamage: FYI, any gauge shotgun with no choke will have even less penetration and a wider spread, needing even less aiming. Perfect for if you're in a "shiat, someone just broke in and it's 3:30am in the morning" moment. With no choke you only have an effective range of around 15m, and very little penetrating power through a wall

No choke, and rock salt rounds if you feel bad about killing someone. It won't kill them, but it'll make them wish they were dead.

That apparently really, really depends on the distance.

Is there anyone who even sells rock salt shells or is it the kind of thing you have to make on your own?  I've never actually met anyone who has used them.


I always thought it was "rock salt & pork fat" with a wad of salt-pork fat-back to help hold the salt together & give it weight? Maybe that's just a VT thing...
 
2013-01-28 09:45:26 PM  
Cops love stealing guns almost as much as they love shooting dogs.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/news/34799

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/02/former_tarrant_police_officer.htm l

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/02/re d mond_officer_charged_with_stealing_guns.html

http://www.firearmstruth.com/2010/who-guards-the-guards-long-beach-of f icer-charged-with-stealing-guns

http://www.nwherald.com/2011/05/14/ex-ill-officer-charged-with-steali n g-guns/amfcsze/

http://article.wn.com/view/2011/05/13/Cop_Stole_Guns_From_TurnIn_Prog r am_In_Clarendon_Hills_Police/

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7594804

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/2/mistrial-pg-officer-ac c used-stealing-guns/
 
2013-01-28 09:45:39 PM  

please: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: please: there is a actually a HUGE history of cops abusing gun buyback programs.

please: http://www.gazette.net/article/20130116/NEWS/130119403/1124/prince-ge o rge-x2019-s-police-officer-found-guilty-of-gun-theft&template=gazette

please: http://manhattanda.org/press-release/nypd-officer-charged-stealing-fi r earms-lockers-9th-precinct-station-house

please: http://clarendonhills.suntimes.com/news/11013415-418/former-clarendon - hills-cop-admits-taking-guns-from-turn-in-program.html

None of those are buybacks.

My eyes must be getting bad.
FTFA:
"A former Clarendon Hills police officer charged with stealing four guns collected during a turn-in program..."

and i thew in the others for the disingenuous "what??? cops wouldn't steal guns!!!"


So much for "HUGE history."
 
2013-01-28 09:46:54 PM  

justtray: Plus, they all wear body armor. You may need hollow points.


A hollow point is about the worst kind of bullet to use against armor.  They're designed to deform and expand upon meeting resistance. When shooting armor you want the exact opposite.

justtray: You can replace the walls.


A hollow point won't do any more damage to a wall than anything else.  The hollow portion will just fill up with drywall or wood and refuse to expand.
 
2013-01-28 09:49:42 PM  

Lsherm: Well, the last one was a turn in program. Same idea but no money changes hands.


Buyback, turn in, clip, magazine, Glock, AK-47, whatever, right?
 
2013-01-28 09:49:49 PM  
A spent missile launch tube is about as useful as a baseball bat. farking rediculous. Army surplus stores sell these.

"Find out whether it was stolen from the military".. You gotta be kidding me.
 
2013-01-28 09:51:00 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lsherm: Well, the last one was a turn in program. Same idea but no money changes hands.

Buyback, turn in, clip, magazine, Glock, AK-47, whatever, right?


Oh for fark's sake - he hit the jackpot on one of his links.  Just admit it.
 
2013-01-28 09:52:38 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: please: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: please: there is a actually a HUGE history of cops abusing gun buyback programs.

please: http://www.gazette.net/article/20130116/NEWS/130119403/1124/prince-ge o rge-x2019-s-police-officer-found-guilty-of-gun-theft&template=gazette

please: http://manhattanda.org/press-release/nypd-officer-charged-stealing-fi r earms-lockers-9th-precinct-station-house

please: http://clarendonhills.suntimes.com/news/11013415-418/former-clarendon - hills-cop-admits-taking-guns-from-turn-in-program.html

None of those are buybacks.

My eyes must be getting bad.
FTFA:
"A former Clarendon Hills police officer charged with stealing four guns collected during a turn-in program..."

and i thew in the others for the disingenuous "what??? cops wouldn't steal guns!!!"

So much for "HUGE history."


That took me two minutes! I could post those all night. I only even made the comment because they just busted some Detroit cops here for it, heard about that on television and can't find any links to that one... Are you seriously suggesting that cops would not take advantage of off-the-books guns coming in? I know you're not that naive.
 
2013-01-28 09:52:52 PM  

pedrop357: "Police seized 10 pounds of marijuana, spokesman claims that the 7 pounds of marijuana has a street value of $7,000,000. Police logged in the 5 pounds of marijuana into evidence that night...."


After the trial, the police will incinerate the 3 pounds of marijuana...
 
2013-01-28 09:55:08 PM  
and ;ook

Lsherm: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lsherm: Well, the last one was a turn in program. Same idea but no money changes hands.

Buyback, turn in, clip, magazine, Glock, AK-47, whatever, right?

Oh for fark's sake - he hit the jackpot on one of his links.  Just admit it.


and look at my bigger list, filled with buy-back thievery.
How many makes it a problem? Name a number.

and these are CONVICTIONS. You know what it takes to convict a cop? Jesus, gun-grabbers really are as blind and fanatical as abortion opponents...
 
2013-01-28 09:58:35 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lsherm: Well, the last one was a turn in program. Same idea but no money changes hands.

Buyback, turn in, clip, magazine, Glock, AK-47, whatever, right?


*snort* - you know who you sound like, Republicans splitting hairs over "act of terror" vs "terrorist attack". Or are you one of those too?

When people take a dishonest, goal moving approach, it isn't even worth the time. And just remember that dishonesty when they start spouting off about it in the future.

I really have to remind myself these people don't represent all Democrats. They certainly are helping the Republicans though, that's for sure.
 
2013-01-28 10:07:06 PM  
more "turn in" thefts:

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/18900159/hpd-officer-accused-of-st e aling-firearms-resigns-from-the-force

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2519&dat=19980911&id=k25eAAAAIB A J&sjid=kGENAAAAIBAJ&pg=1430,4242136

and more general police gun theivery:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2341019/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/22/AR200 6 082201305.html
 
2013-01-28 10:08:59 PM  

jshine: Except that -- as commonly sold -- ammunition contains smokeless powder: an explosive.


Smokeless powder isn't actually explosive.  You can pour a pound of of it in your driveway and take a lighter to it.  It just fizzes a bit and burns up real fast.  There's no blast or concussion at all.  It's just a fast burning substance.

That property is also the reasoning being the old "yelling fire in a theater" laws people always bring up in 1st vs. 2nd amendment discussions.  Old film reels were made from nitrocellulose which is pretty close to smokeless powder.  Stuff burned awful fast, and putting it in close proximity to a hot incandescent bulb didn't always go well.  But, people were yelling "Fire!" when that happened and not "ZOMG MASSIVE EXPLOSION!" ... because it just burns.  It doesn't explode.
 
2013-01-28 10:09:03 PM  
"In seeking safer streets, police departments across the country have increasingly asked citizens to turn in guns in exchange for cash or gift certificates, no questions asked. But in Newark, officials said today, the city's gun buy-back program earlier this year took an unfortunate twist: Fancy weapons were pocketed by some officers in the Police Department's East District."

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/10/nyregion/newark-police-accused-of-s t ealing-guns.html

Old but delicious.
 
2013-01-28 10:23:22 PM  

jbuist: jshine: Except that -- as commonly sold -- ammunition contains smokeless powder: an explosive.

Smokeless powder isn't actually explosive.  You can pour a pound of of it in your driveway and take a lighter to it.  It just fizzes a bit and burns up real fast.  There's no blast or concussion at all.  It's just a fast burning substance.

That property is also the reasoning being the old "yelling fire in a theater" laws people always bring up in 1st vs. 2nd amendment discussions.  Old film reels were made from nitrocellulose which is pretty close to smokeless powder.  Stuff burned awful fast, and putting it in close proximity to a hot incandescent bulb didn't always go well.  But, people were yelling "Fire!" when that happened and not "ZOMG MASSIVE EXPLOSION!" ... because it just burns.  It doesn't explode.


Uh, every explosive outside of nuclear is just something that combusts really fast.  The Oklahoma city bomb was just ammonium nitrate fertilizer mixed with diesel and nitromethane.  The fertilizer just accelerated the combustion of two fuels that aren't particularly explosive themselves.

Put smokeless powder in a contained area and light it and it's explosive.  Put gasoline vapor under pressure, light it, and it's explosive.  Explosions are a combination of fast combustion and pressure.
 
2013-01-28 10:24:49 PM  
I remember when they had a gun buy back on the Solomon Islands to "reduce gun violence". All it did was send the islanders out on a frenzy looking for all the rusty Japanese weapons lying around to convert to beer money.
 
2013-01-28 10:26:49 PM  

please: and ;ook Lsherm: Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Lsherm: Well, the last one was a turn in program. Same idea but no money changes hands.

Buyback, turn in, clip, magazine, Glock, AK-47, whatever, right?

Oh for fark's sake - he hit the jackpot on one of his links.  Just admit it.

and look at my bigger list, filled with buy-back thievery.
How many makes it a problem? Name a number.

and these are CONVICTIONS. You know what it takes to convict a cop? Jesus, gun-grabbers really are as blind and fanatical as abortion opponents...


Listen carefully. YOU said:

please: there is a actually a HUGE history of cops abusing gun buyback programs


Then produced ONE link to a story from 1998 and have now changed your terms to "turn-in" thefts.

Again, YOU said:

please: there is a actually a HUGE history of cops abusing gun buyback programs



Could've just admitted your error and gone on about not trusting cops but now you have a HUGE history of looking like an idiot.
 
2013-01-28 10:51:39 PM  
cops stealing guns from buybacks =/= cops stealing guns from "turn-ins"

Are you serious? I'm sure everyone will sleep tight knowing as long as it's a buy back and not a turn in, there's no way the cops will be stealing them instead of melting them down.

"Could've just admitted your error and gone on about not trusting cops but now you have a HUGE history of looking like an idiot."

yeah, I think I'm comfortable leaving that one up to the Farkies to decide.
I'm done here, have good night folks.
 
2013-01-28 10:57:37 PM  

please: cops stealing guns from buybacks =/= cops stealing guns from "turn-ins"

Are you serious? I'm sure everyone will sleep tight knowing as long as it's a buy back and not a turn in, there's no way the cops will be stealing them instead of melting them down.

"Could've just admitted your error and gone on about not trusting cops but now you have a HUGE history of looking like an idiot."

yeah, I think I'm comfortable leaving that one up to the Farkies to decide.
I'm done here, have good night folks.


Google failed you, huh?
 
2013-01-28 11:08:24 PM  

please: cops stealing guns from buybacks =/= cops stealing guns from "turn-ins"

Are you serious? I'm sure everyone will sleep tight knowing as long as it's a buy back and not a turn in, there's no way the cops will be stealing them instead of melting them down.

"Could've just admitted your error and gone on about not trusting cops but now you have a HUGE history of looking like an idiot."

yeah, I think I'm comfortable leaving that one up to the Farkies to decide.
I'm done here, have good night folks.


Nina's a troll. Ignore it and move on.
 
2013-01-28 11:29:32 PM  

BronyMedic: pedrop357: In the end, the police were doing the same thing:buying guns from people, no questions asked, no forms, possibly no records at (at least until the 5 guns purchased make it to the police station for inspection.)

ITS TRUE I TELL YOU! AND THE FLOURIDE IN OUR WATER IS FOR MIND CONTROL FROM THE EVIL REPTILE ALIENS!

[www.fpif.org image 800x600]

Seriously. You sound INCREDIBLY stupid right now. What you're saying is, in a nutshell, that the police are using public tax money to run a buyback program, and then stealing the weapons they have to LOG IN to give out the cards before they make it back to the destruction area, without ANYONE noticing it? Despite the fact this has not happened ONCE in the last 20 years of Gun Buyback programs being used?


This is a lie. I know of a few officers with quite the collection. (But its ok, because guns in the hands of cops = good)
 
2013-01-28 11:56:45 PM  
Huh, I was away for the evening and those guys never came back with their cites. I mean, I knew they pulled it out of their asses, but I expected something other than crickets. If asking for a cite shut people up this easily I think we gun-rights people should do it more often.
 
2013-01-29 12:21:33 AM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: please: there is a actually a HUGE history of cops abusing gun buyback programs.

please: http://www.gazette.net/article/20130116/NEWS/130119403/1124/prince-ge o rge-x2019-s-police-officer-found-guilty-of-gun-theft&template=gazette

please: http://manhattanda.org/press-release/nypd-officer-charged-stealing-fi r earms-lockers-9th-precinct-station-house

please: http://clarendonhills.suntimes.com/news/11013415-418/former-clarendon - hills-cop-admits-taking-guns-from-turn-in-program.html

None of those are buybacks.


please: Cops love stealing guns almost as much as they love shooting dogs.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/news/34799


http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2012/02/former_tarrant_police_officer.htm l

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2011/02/re d mond_officer_charged_with_stealing_guns.html


http://www.firearmstruth.com/2010/who-guards-the-guards-long-beach-of f icer-charged-with-stealing-guns

http://www.nwherald.com/2011/05/14/ex-ill-officer-charged-with-steali n g-guns/amfcsze/

http://article.wn.com/view/2011/05/13/Cop_Stole_Guns_From_TurnIn_Prog r am_In_Clarendon_Hills_Police/

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/local&id=7594804

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/feb/2/mistrial-pg-officer-ac c used-stealing-guns/


please: more "turn in" thefts:

http://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/story/18900159/hpd-officer-accused-of-st e aling-firearms-resigns-from-the-force

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=2519&dat=19980911&id=k25eAAAAIB A J&sjid=kGENAAAAIBAJ&pg=1430,4242136

and more general police gun theivery:
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/2341019/


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/22/AR200 6 082201305.html


please: "In seeking safer streets, police departments across the country have increasingly asked citizens to turn in guns in exchange for cash or gift certificates, no questions asked. But in Newark, officials said today, the city's gun buy-back program earlier this year took an unfortunate twist: Fancy weapons were pocketed by some officers in the Police Department's East District."

http://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/10/nyregion/newark-police-accused-of-s t ealing-guns.html


Old but delicious.

 
2013-01-29 12:35:31 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Same thing happened in LA recently

/I think they were selling those things in surplus stores


Really? That doesn't seem like a good idea.
 
2013-01-29 12:54:29 AM  

Bucky Katt: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Same thing happened in LA recently

/I think they were selling those things in surplus stores

Really? That doesn't seem like a good idea.


They're inert tubes. They can't be reloaded and are literally as useful as a length of painted PVC pipe
 
2013-01-29 12:54:41 AM  
These programs are to discourage people from selling under the counter with no background checks.

Maybe they should just require each gun to be registered, with a fine for missing gun/false stolen police report. And a hefty fine or more for having an unregistered one.

We could make it free with a grace period to register your current firearms when the program was enacted, with the money they are spending on these buy-back programs...

Because most gun crimes are with these sort of under the counter/lost/stolen weapons.
 
2013-01-29 01:34:23 AM  
My TV sits on a still in it's packing frame bomb tail and a box for two 105mm flash rounds - oh and the bomb has an anti-nuke sticker on it.

Neither is dangerous (unless one fell from a high height) and I like the style.
 
2013-01-29 01:36:14 AM  

Giltric: justtray: It's Me Bender: I_Am_Weasel: If I had a missile launcher, I'd make somebody pay.

Eh, there's no way you could kill even 1% as many children as Obama has with his missiles.

How many children has obama killed?

More than 0 and the list doesn't even include A-stan.

PAKISTAN
Name | Age | Gender
Noor Aziz | 8 | male
Abdul Wasit | 17 | male
Noor Syed | 8 | male
Wajid Noor | 9 | male
Syed Wali Shah | 7 | male
Ayeesha | 3 | female
Qari Alamzeb | 14| male
Shoaib | 8 | male
Hayatullah KhaMohammad | 16 | male
Tariq Aziz | 16 | male
Sanaullah Jan | 17 | male
Maezol Khan | 8 | female
Nasir Khan | male
Naeem Khan | male
Naeemullah | male
Mohammad Tahir | 16 | male
Azizul Wahab | 15 | male
Fazal Wahab | 16 | male
Ziauddin | 16 | male
Mohammad Yunus | 16 | male
Fazal Hakim | 19 | male
Ilyas | 13 | male
Sohail | 7 | male
Asadullah | 9 | male
khalilullah | 9 | male
Noor Mohammad | 8 | male
Khalid | 12 | male
Saifullah | 9 | male
Mashooq Jan | 15 | male
Nawab | 17 | male
Sultanat Khan | 16 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 13 | male
Noor Mohammad | 15 | male
Mohammad Yaas Khan | 16 | male
Qari Alamzeb | 14 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 17 | male
Abdullah | 18 | male
Ikramullah Zada | 17 | male
Inayatur Rehman | 16 | male
Shahbuddin | 15 | male
Yahya Khan | 16 |male
Rahatullah |17 | male
Mohammad Salim | 11 | male
Shahjehan | 15 | male
Gul Sher Khan | 15 | male
Bakht Muneer | 14 | male
Numair | 14 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Taseel Khan | 18 | male
Zaheeruddin | 16 | male
Qari Ishaq | 19 | male
Jamshed Khan | 14 | male
Alam Nabi | 11 | male
Qari Abdul Karim | 19 | male
Rahmatullah | 14 | male
Abdus Samad | 17 | male
Siraj | 16 | male
Saeedullah | 17 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Salman | 12 | male
Fazal Wahab | 18 | male
Baacha Rahman | 13 | mal ...


Yeap worth quoting all the time, because it's not like our 'authorities' keep records.
 
2013-01-29 02:07:56 AM  

BronyMedic: So, I'm happy to report that apparantly, you don't have to wait 10 days to get a pistol in Tennessee anymore.

I got my gun, I'm happy. It's a .40 S&W 99, the licensed American production version of the Walther P99. Only problem is the sights are faded, but I plan on replacing them with night sights for concealed carry.


Good choice. I've got the .45 version. Decent gun for the price. I like the ambidextry. Too big for concealed ( for me ). Is the .40 a slightly smaller slide? I know the lowers are both P99s.
 
2013-01-29 03:54:17 AM  

scubamage: GanjSmokr: justtray: tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Heh. Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!

Well, there's about an 11 out of 10 chance you're going to be home invaded, so it's important consider things like ammo that's less likely to give you hearing damage when you're Rambo-ing your house.

But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.

Plus, they all wear body armor. You may need hollow points. You can replace the walls. Safety is whats most important.

You'll need special teflon coated cop killer hollow point full metal jacket bullet casing shells loaded into a 30 round extended high capacity bullet clip magazine sheath holder that's clipped into a black military style automatic AK-47 assault semi-automatic glock M-16-60 rifle weapon with a barrel shroud. That'll get right through those bullet proof vests.

Sometimes when I start googling the things I see in threads like this, I wonder how much of a big red flag I'm throwing up to the feds.

Current search history:
Obama kill list
M202 FLASH
javelin targeting system
home defense rounds
barrel shrouds


don't forget about words that may be HIDDEN around here like BOMB, and SCHOOL....
 
2013-01-29 03:59:35 AM  

Dimensio: GlobalStrategic MapleSyrup Reserve: I know that the thread has already reached derp level 9 but I'd like to point out that the AVERAGE PERSON can't tell the difference between a spent rocket tube and "AHHHHHHH!!!! A BAZOOKA!!!!" which is why there are laws against their sale in the first place. It's borderline useless as a weapon (they make an unwieldy club) but can easily be used to incite panic under the right circumstances.

I suspect that little effort is required to create a fake "rocket tube" indistinguishable to casual observers from a real one. Do any current laws prohibit possession of such facsimiles?


Hell, I have one that I made out of a section of a pvc tube when I was a kid... Spray painted it camouflage, added a padded cheek rest, and strapped an estes rocket ignition box to the side, and then used it to launch model rockets out of... it now makes appearances during the forth of july and new years to have bottle rockets launched out of it....
 
2013-01-29 04:06:21 AM  

Maul555: scubamage: GanjSmokr: justtray: tallguywithglasseson: UberDave: Heh. Because nothing says home defense like a box of cheap ass sub-sonic Remington squirrel plinkers!

Well, there's about an 11 out of 10 chance you're going to be home invaded, so it's important consider things like ammo that's less likely to give you hearing damage when you're Rambo-ing your house.

But, then you'll need a lot of it because said home invaders are likely to proceed even after having seen your AR-15 and taken several rounds of said squirrel plinkers. Also they're on PCP. The home invaders, not the squirrels. So, 50 round drum makes the most sense, when you think about it.

Plus, they all wear body armor. You may need hollow points. You can replace the walls. Safety is whats most important.

You'll need special teflon coated cop killer hollow point full metal jacket bullet casing shells loaded into a 30 round extended high capacity bullet clip magazine sheath holder that's clipped into a black military style automatic AK-47 assault semi-automatic glock M-16-60 rifle weapon with a barrel shroud. That'll get right through those bullet proof vests.

Sometimes when I start googling the things I see in threads like this, I wonder how much of a big red flag I'm throwing up to the feds.

Current search history:
Obama kill list
M202 FLASH
javelin targeting system
home defense rounds
barrel shrouds

don't forget about words that may be HIDDEN around here like BOMB, and SCHOOL....


LOL yeah that was funny.
 
2013-01-29 07:45:51 AM  

Dimensio: While the owner may have been given far less compensation than the firearm was actually worth, is not the improved public safety resulting from the destruction of such a dangerous device not itself reward enough?


You actually think they destroyed that 2500$ shotgun and it didn't go home with one of the cops running that gun buy?

So cute.

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Gun buybacks are basically for civic pride and for the people who don't want them in their houses (grandpa died and his old shotgun is just sitting in the garage, etc). I'm fine with people doing what they want with their own property. Any reduction in crime (if any) is a secondary benefit.


Wouldn't grandma benefit more from someone paying her the 2500$ the shotgun is actually worth than the 100$ gift card she's going to get from the cop who will then take that shotgun home with him like it never existed?

Also you cannot buy 'back' something you never owned. These things are nothing more than publicity lies from start to finish.

BronyMedic: No choke, and rock salt rounds if you feel bad about killing someone. It won't kill them, but it'll make them wish they were dead.


And you will open yourself up to massive liability because shooting deliberately to wound is evidence that you did not have a reasonable belief that deadly force was necessary. Not a great idea.

BronyMedic: I tend to generally agree, but I do think certain models, based on the features they have - including semi-automatic handguns - should require more in depth of a check in regards to mental health (maybe requiring a doctor's signature that you're of sound mind?) and interconnected ability to search multiple databases for issues.

I think it's far too easy for the mentally ill in America to get their hands on weapons.


All you will accomplish is ensuring that people who need to see a doctor won't go because they are (rightly) afraid that they have to surrender their rights to do so. There's absolutely no logical basis for treating a semi-auto pistol differently than a revolver, either. So thanks to your irrational fear, you want to meddle into the medical affairs of other people. Maybe a good therapist can help you - unless you're afraid that will mean you no longer have the right to buy a semi-auto pistol.

please: That took me two minutes! I could post those all night. I only even made the comment because they just busted some Detroit cops here for it, heard about that on television and can't find any links to that one... Are you seriously suggesting that cops would not take advantage of off-the-books guns coming in? I know you're not that naive.


Every cop needs a couple throw-down guns.

middlewaytao: These programs are to discourage people from selling under the counter with no background checks.


These 'programs' are under the counter with no background checks.
 
2013-01-29 08:56:25 AM  

pedrop357: Bucky Katt: MaudlinMutantMollusk: Same thing happened in LA recently

/I think they were selling those things in surplus stores

Really? That doesn't seem like a good idea.

They're inert tubes. They can't be reloaded and are literally as useful as a length of painted PVC pipe


The one in TFA was a Stinger launcher. Not the same thing; NOT something you can buy at a surplus store. Reloadable (assuming you could find a FIM-92 missile), and packed with all sorts of electronics.
 
2013-01-29 10:04:54 AM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Huh, I was away for the evening and those guys never came back with their cites. I mean, I knew they pulled it out of their asses, but I expected something other than crickets. If asking for a cite shut people up this easily I think we gun-rights people should do it more often.


It's either that or they just decided you weren't worth arguing with so they let you have your "Turn-ins aren't buy-backs! See, they have different letters! Neener neener neener!" win. I mean, if that's all you have to counter the "Corrupt cops go home with guns after these events" argument, what's the point of arguing with you?
 
2013-01-29 10:39:29 AM  
Its a fire and forget weapon.

That means once you fire the missile, its just a tube and is discarded.

Why are people turning in firearms. How stupid could you possibly be. You are dumber than retarded cows.
 
2013-01-29 11:15:39 AM  

MagicMissile: Its a fire and forget weapon.

That means once you fire the missile, its just a tube and is discarded.

Why are people turning in firearms. How stupid could you possibly be. You are dumber than retarded cows.


No it isn't. RTFA. That was a Stinger launcher, not a disposable tube.
 
2013-01-29 11:20:06 AM  

MagicMissile: Its a fire and forget weapon.

That means once you fire the missile, its just a tube and is discarded.

Why are people turning in firearms. How stupid could you possibly be. You are dumber than retarded cows.


You know, back at the office where I worked until 2011, my colleagues had a lot of discarded 5" and 8" shell casings.  I wonder how much gun buy-back programs would pay for one.

/Always wanted an 11" shell casing, but those in existence are at the bottom of the Ocean.  I *think* those were the largest shells with brass rather than bags
 
2013-01-29 11:26:50 AM  
One thing I have to say i enjoy, is driving to work, got my favorite radio station on and I hear the Fark headlines....best part is same radio station called out Fark's name three times.
Is that from Fark?
Oh, yeah, Fark.
Yeah, Fark is an excellent news source.....

Love it.
ok, what were we talking about?
FARK
 
2013-01-29 12:45:26 PM  

heili skrimsli: All you will accomplish is ensuring that people who need to see a doctor won't go because they are (rightly) afraid that they have to surrender their rights to do so. There's absolutely no logical basis for treating a semi-auto pistol differently than a revolver, either. So thanks to your irrational fear, you want to meddle into the medical affairs of other people. Maybe a good therapist can help you - unless you're afraid that will mean you no longer have the right to buy a semi-auto pistol.


My Irrational Fear? You're insultingly inferring that I should see someone for a mental health disorder because I believe that it's far too easy for the mentally ill to get legal firearms in America? Or the fact that semi-automatic weapons are used by them to commit crimes in a disproportionate amount? (Which is true of Semi-Automatic Handguns, in particular, in general - they are used most often as the gun in crimes. While not ALL legally owned.)

This is me with a 1969 Serial Numbered Browning Hi-Power.

i.imgur.com

Yeah, not so much. Do you know what I did yesterday? I bought a pistol in a matter of five minutes  All that I had to do was answer 11 or so questions which depend on my honesty. The mental health history of any individual is not subject to the NCIC Background Search UNLESS it was a court ordered commitment - the paperwork to transfer ownership specifically stated that.

I think anyone with a documented history of DV or assaulting their child should not be able to legally own a firearm.
I think anyone with a history of mental illness potentiating violence, like schizophrenia or some personality disorders, should not be able to legally own a firearm.

None of the above beliefs are irrational, or infringe on your rights.
 
2013-01-29 12:54:58 PM  

heili skrimsli: And you will open yourself up to massive liability because shooting deliberately to wound is evidence that you did not have a reasonable belief that deadly force was necessary. Not a great idea.


Not in Tennessee. The law specifically protects you from civil liability if you shoot someone in self defense in a home invasion, even if they don't die.
 
2013-01-29 01:00:48 PM  

BronyMedic: heili skrimsli: All you will accomplish is ensuring that people who need to see a doctor won't go because they are (rightly) afraid that they have to surrender their rights to do so. There's absolutely no logical basis for treating a semi-auto pistol differently than a revolver, either. So thanks to your irrational fear, you want to meddle into the medical affairs of other people. Maybe a good therapist can help you - unless you're afraid that will mean you no longer have the right to buy a semi-auto pistol.

My Irrational Fear? You're insultingly inferring that I should see someone for a mental health disorder because I believe that it's far too easy for the mentally ill to get legal firearms in America? Or the fact that semi-automatic weapons are used by them to commit crimes in a disproportionate amount? (Which is true of Semi-Automatic Handguns, in particular, in general - they are used most often as the gun in crimes. While not ALL legally owned.)

This is me with a 1969 Serial Numbered Browning Hi-Power.

[i.imgur.com image 850x680]

Yeah, not so much. Do you know what I did yesterday? I bought a pistol in a matter of five minutes  All that I had to do was answer 11 or so questions which depend on my honesty. The mental health history of any individual is not subject to the NCIC Background Search UNLESS it was a court ordered commitment - the paperwork to transfer ownership specifically stated that.

I think anyone with a documented history of DV or assaulting their child should not be able to legally own a firearm.
I think anyone with a history of mental illness potentiating violence, like schizophrenia or some personality disorders, should not be able to legally own a firearm.

None of the above beliefs are irrational, or infringe on your rights.


DV misdemeanor convictions ARE one of the things that prohibit purchase of possession. Even misdemeanors from 40 years ago.

How will information on mental illness that doesn't result in a person being committed end up in the DB? Do we OK the invasion of medical privacy for people who might be a threat without any evidence that they are?
 
2013-01-29 01:06:07 PM  

pedrop357: How will information on mental illness that doesn't result in a person being committed end up in the DB? Do we OK the invasion of medical privacy for people who might be a threat without any evidence that they are?


We do it for drivers licenses. In fact, it is your doctor's LEGAL REQUIREMENT that if he feels you are medically unsafe to drive, to notify local law enforcement of his diagnosis and findings so they can suspend your license - such as in the case of dementia or epileptics with uncontrolled seizures. It's a mandated release of PHI. You're acting like this is an unprecedented event.

There is a disproportionate amount of risk in allowing someone who does not have a rational grasp on reality, such as an organic mental illness like schizophrenia, or in allowing people with certain personality disorders, like Borderline and Narcissistic Personality Disorder, to have unrestricted access to firearms. In fact, every one of the recent shootings have involved either someone WITH documented history of mental illness legally obtaining such firearm, or living in a household with those firearms easily accessible.

While yes, it is inconvenient, there is no violation of your rights to have your personal care physician sign a form which states "This person is NOT Batshiat crazy".
 
2013-01-29 01:24:01 PM  

BronyMedic: pedrop357: How will information on mental illness that doesn't result in a person being committed end up in the DB? Do we OK the invasion of medical privacy for people who might be a threat without any evidence that they are?

We do it for drivers licenses. In fact, it is your doctor's LEGAL REQUIREMENT that if he feels you are medically unsafe to drive, to notify local law enforcement of his diagnosis and findings so they can suspend your license - such as in the case of dementia or epileptics with uncontrolled seizures. It's a mandated release of PHI. You're acting like this is an unprecedented event.

There is a disproportionate amount of risk in allowing someone who does not have a rational grasp on reality, such as an organic mental illness like schizophrenia, or in allowing people with certain personality disorders, like Borderline and Narcissistic Personality Disorder, to have unrestricted access to firearms. In fact, every one of the recent shootings have involved either someone WITH documented history of mental illness legally obtaining such firearm, or living in a household with those firearms easily accessible.

While yes, it is inconvenient, there is no violation of your rights to have your personal care physician sign a form which states "This person is NOT Batshiat crazy".


Does this mean that guns=cars analogies are back on?

A drivers license is technically a privilege, not a right.

It is a violation of a right to need a doctor's (voluntary) signature, which could translate into needing a doctor's permission to purchase/possess firearms.
 
2013-01-29 02:05:36 PM  

BronyMedic: My Irrational Fear? You're insultingly inferring that I should see someone for a mental health disorder because I believe that it's far too easy for the mentally ill to get legal firearms in America?


Welcome to America, where people don't lose their Constitutional rights because they have a disease.

Or the fact that semi-automatic weapons are used by them to commit crimes in a disproportionate amount? (Which is true of Semi-Automatic Handguns, in particular, in general - they are used most often as the gun in crimes. While not ALL legally owned.)

Do you actually have some proof that semi-automatic rifles and handguns are used in a disproportionate number of crimes vs. bolt and lever action rifles and revolvers, or is this a blind assertion?

This is me with a 1969 Serial Numbered Browning Hi-Power.

[i.imgur.com image 850x680]


Great, so you're a Fudd. I've met lots of your kind.

Yeah, not so much. Do you know what I did yesterday? I bought a pistol in a matter of five minutes  All that I had to do was answer 11 or so questions which depend on my honesty. The mental health history of any individual is not subject to the NCIC Background Search UNLESS it was a court ordered commitment - the paperwork to transfer ownership specifically stated that.

And since it is not a crime to be diagnosed with a mental illness, nor is it an indication that a person is dangerous, and people have a Constitutional right to privacy in their medical affairs, it shouldn't snow up in the National Crime Information Center database.

I think anyone with a documented history of DV or assaulting their child should not be able to legally own a firearm.

A single misdemeanor conviction for domestic violence is a lifetime prohibiting offense.

I think anyone with a history of mental illness potentiating violence, like schizophrenia or some personality disorders, should not be able to legally own a firearm.

Except that there's already a mechanism for that. If a person is demonstrably a danger to himself or others, there is a legal means to have them adjudicated as mentally defective or involuntarily committed. What you're doing is defining anyone with a specific set of mental illnesses that you defined (and are you an expert on mental illness anyway?) is automatically predictive of violent future behavior, when in reality it indicates no such thing.

Your fear of mentally ill people is no reason to strip those people of their rights.

None of the above beliefs are irrational, or infringe on your rights.

Taking people's rights away because you're afraid they might do something dangerous some day in the future, maybe, is irrational. And I'm telling you right now, if you do this, people who have mental illness will not get help because they will (rightfully) worry about what rights they're giving up to do so.

The analogy with driver's licenses is asinine for a couple of reasons. People have already pointed out to you that driving is a privilege, so I won't spend time on that. Another reason that it's not a fair comparison is that you don't have professional medical organizations who have a stated philosophical objection to all driving, but that kind of bias does exist regarding firearm ownership. It should not be up to an individual who many have a personal philosophical objection to firearm ownership to have to give permission to another person to own a firearm.
 
2013-01-29 02:32:48 PM  

heili skrimsli: Lies, blatant fear mongering regarding the mentally ill, and Ad Hominem.

Well, I guess if you don't have anything factual to base an argument on, and you're willing to lie about a fact that is not debated by either the Pro-Gun, Pro-Gun Control, or the Anti-Gun lobbies (Semi-Automatic Weapons and Handguns are responsible for the majority of the crime commited.), you can always toss baseless insults and fear-mongering what-ifs that ignore the idea that a slippery slope will ALWAYS have middle ground between it.

heili skrimsli: Another reason that it's not a fair comparison is that you don't have professional medical organizations who have a stated philosophical objection to all driving, but that kind of bias does exist regarding firearm ownership.


What professional medical organization has a stated philosophical objection to all firearms ownership? Please cite their position statement. Even the AAP, which has encouraged MDs to ask about firearms, is not opposed to their ownership, but rather wants them to stay safely locked up and away from children.
 
2013-01-29 02:33:23 PM  
Ahem. That should read "Handgun and Semi-Automaic Weapons are responsible for the majority of GUN crime committed"
 
2013-01-29 02:34:17 PM  
Anyway. I'm out. I'm going to go shoot some paper targets at the range. Ciao.
 
2013-01-29 02:45:24 PM  

BronyMedic: Well, I guess if you don't have anything factual to base an argument on, and you're willing to lie about a fact that is not debated by either the Pro-Gun, Pro-Gun Control, or the Anti-Gun lobbies (Semi-Automatic Weapons and Handguns are responsible for the majority of the crime commited.), you can always toss baseless insults and fear-mongering what-ifs that ignore the idea that a slippery slope will ALWAYS have middle ground between it.


Asking you to provide proof of your claim is not a 'lie'.

And if anyone is fear mongering about mentally ill people, it's the guy who wants to take their rights away based on their diagnoses.

So yea, fark you too.
 
2013-01-29 03:24:03 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Huh, I was away for the evening and those guys never came back with their cites. I mean, I knew they pulled it out of their asses, but I expected something other than crickets. If asking for a cite shut people up this easily I think we gun-rights people should do it more often.

It's either that or they just decided you weren't worth arguing with so they let you have your "Turn-ins aren't buy-backs! See, they have different letters! Neener neener neener!" win. I mean, if that's all you have to counter the "Corrupt cops go home with guns after these events" argument, what's the point of arguing with you?


I never said that, either.

You guys suck at this.
 
2013-01-29 03:50:21 PM  

heili skrimsli: Asking you to provide proof of your claim is not a 'lie'.


Claiming that leading medical associations have a stated anti-gun agenda, that I was blatantly lying about the overwhelming use of semi-automatic weapons in gun crimes in the United States (which as much more to do with their popularity and availability) - something even the NRA doesn't deny in the least - and then claiming the only reason i would say something like that is because I'm "scared" of guns while insulting me at the same time is pretty dishonest there.

heili skrimsli: And if anyone is fear mongering about mentally ill people, it's the guy who wants to take their rights away based on their diagnoses.


You use that word "rights", yet you clearly don't know what it means in the least - those rights have limitations attached to them. Almost every one of them.  So sayeth the Supreme Court: Reasonable limitations in the interest of public safety are constitutional, and not a violation of individual rights. I also see you're a worshiper at the Altar of St. Ronnie's Deinstitutionalization theories. The fact of the matter is certain people, on the virtue of their pathologies, do NOT need access to guns. In addition, people like Sideshow Bob, even though they sought care and were turned down because of their inability to pay, were still able to get access to legal guns. Laughner had a documented history of mental illness and aggression, and lied on his FFL Transfer Form about it.

It is not a violation of your rights to require something more concrete than a checkbox that depends on your honesty as the only barrier between guns and you. Arguing that it would discourage people from seeking mental health is NOT a skeptical position to take, and is in fact a laughable attempt at fear mongering.

heili skrimsli: So yea, fark you too.


Yeah. You're not biased in the least, right? For someone who claims to be a skeptic, and to "not get emotional" in her profile, you sure seem to enjoy pointing pistols at things you don't intend to put holes in.

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2013-01-29 03:51:48 PM  

BronyMedic: heili skrimsli: And you will open yourself up to massive liability because shooting deliberately to wound is evidence that you did not have a reasonable belief that deadly force was necessary. Not a great idea.

Not in Tennessee. The law specifically protects you from civil liability if you shoot someone in self defense in a home invasion, even if they don't die.


In Missouri, not only are you protected, but the penalty for bringing a suit when the shooting was justified for both the plaintiff and the LAWYER bringing the suit is not insubstantial.
 
2013-01-29 04:06:19 PM  

BronyMedic: Claiming that leading medical associations have a stated anti-gun agenda, that I was blatantly lying about the overwhelming use of semi-automatic weapons in gun crimes in the United States (which as much more to do with their popularity and availability) - something even the NRA doesn't deny in the least - and then claiming the only reason i would say something like that is because I'm "scared" of guns while insulting me at the same time is pretty dishonest there.


Well since you brought up the NRA... here's their list:

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?ID=15

You're very emotional. Do you need a Midol?

I told you to prove your claim that the use of semi-automatic firearms is at a disproportionate rate that justifies treating them differently than other types of firearms. You got all mad and started calling me a liar.

You may have evidence that they are used more often. Do you have evidence that they are used disproportionately more often?

You use that word "rights", yet you clearly don't know what it means in the least - those rights have limitations attached to them. Almost every one of them.  So sayeth the Supreme Court: Reasonable limitations in the interest of public safety are constitutional, and not a violation of individual rights. I also see you're a worshiper at the Altar of St. Ronnie's Deinstitutionalization theories. The fact of the matter is certain people, on the virtue of their pathologies, do NOT need access to guns. In addition, people like Sideshow Bob, even though they sought care and were turned down because of their inability to pay, were still able to get access to legal guns. Laughner had a documented history of mental illness and aggression, and lied on his FFL Transfer Form about it.

And if someone is a danger to himself of others, please avail yourself of the currently existing legal remedies to have them adjudicated as such.

I notice that you did not provide any evidence for your qualifications in ascertaining which mental illnesses are accurate predictors of future violence. For every Loughner, there are thousands upon thousands of people who have some psychiatric diagnosis or another and will never hurt anyone. It is not valid to assume that because a person has been diagnosed with a particular disease that they will commit murder.

It is not a violation of your rights to require something more concrete than a checkbox that depends on your honesty as the only barrier between guns and you. Arguing that it would discourage people from seeking mental health is NOT a skeptical position to take, and is in fact a laughable attempt at fear mongering.

And the background check includes the court records that pertain to the check box. At least, it does when the states actually bother to report them as they're supposed to. If you want to fix something, there's a good starting point.


Yeah. You're not biased in the least, right? For someone who claims to be a skeptic, and to "not get emotional" in her profile, you sure seem to enjoy pointing p ...

My my, how you overreact to a posed photograph taken with a camera that had no one holding it.

vygramul: In Missouri, not only are you protected, but the penalty for bringing a suit when the shooting was justified for both the plaintiff and the LAWYER bringing the suit is not insubstantial.


I was advised by an attorney who specializes in firearms law that it is ill advised to do any kind of shooting to wound because it raises an immediate doubt in the question of whether or not lethal force (use of a firearm) is justified. Although Pennsylvania has both castle doctrine and no duty to retreat outside the home, I would not want to give the cops or the DA anything to use against me - including the proposition that if my aim was to wound that I didn't believe lethal force to be justified at the time of the shot being fired.
 
2013-01-29 04:28:15 PM  

BronyMedic: So sayeth the Supreme Court: Reasonable limitations in the interest of public safety are constitutional, and not a violation of individual rights.


Yes and no.  One cannot consider Supreme Court cases in a vacuum, as the rulings themselves cite other rulings.  In this case, Chicago cites Heller, which cites Cruikshank and Miller.   Chicago isn't silent on what the restrictions can be, but it does refer the reader to Heller, which, using  Millerand  Cruikshank, states that the restrictions on support weapons and artillery are ok because militiamen were expected to provide their own arms, and it was not reasonable to expect a militiaman to provide heavy weapons, but they could be expected to provide that weapon carried by typical infantrymen.  In addition, the examples listen in  Heller of restrictions applied to the disallowing of concealment, possession by the mentally unfit, and the restriction on carrying at schools.   Heller is mostly a handgun ruling, but while it holds that banning a fully-automatic or burst-fire M-16 is fine, it then goes on to say that you cannot ban an overwhelmingly popular weapon - which the AR-15 most certainly is.

When taken as a body of law, the Court's rulings clearly draw the line and places the M-16 on one side of it, and the AR-15 on the other.  And I can't imagine you would, in the hypothetical case of such a challenge being presented to  this court, be willing to bet otherwise.
 
2013-01-29 04:32:10 PM  

heili skrimsli: I was advised by an attorney who specializes in firearms law that it is ill advised to do any kind of shooting to wound because it raises an immediate doubt in the question of whether or not lethal force (use of a firearm) is justified. Although Pennsylvania has both castle doctrine and no duty to retreat outside the home, I would not want to give the cops or the DA anything to use against me - including the proposition that if my aim was to wound that I didn't believe lethal force to be justified at the time of the shot being fired.


Oh, don't take that as an endorsement to shoot to wound.  Every firearms training I've ever taken has said that you shoot to kill, for a host of reasons, even before one considers the law's protections or lack thereof.
 
2013-01-29 04:39:06 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: I never said that, either.


Ok, so you're not a fan of hyperbole. I'll ask you these questions then: Beyond people getting compensated, is there a significant difference between a buy-back and a turn-in, and if so what is it? Does the compensation part count as a significant difference? If there is a significant difference between the two, do you think an officer that would take a gun from one would or would not take a gun from the other?

There you go, some simple, non-hyperbolic, easy to answer inquiries.
 
2013-01-29 04:48:05 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Adolf Oliver Nipples: I never said that, either.

Ok, so you're not a fan of hyperbole. I'll ask you these questions then: Beyond people getting compensated, is there a significant difference between a buy-back and a turn-in, and if so what is it? Does the compensation part count as a significant difference? If there is a significant difference between the two, do you think an officer that would take a gun from one would or would not take a gun from the other?

There you go, some simple, non-hyperbolic, easy to answer inquiries.


If only that was related to anything I was talking about.

Two assertions were made, neither of them were substantiated, and the people who made the claims never came back to substantiate them in spite of the fact that one of them claimed it would be easy to do.

I think perhaps you're confusing me with someone else, because none of this has anything to do with your questions except that you jumped my ass about the deserved taunting of people who made claims and then ran away.
 
2013-01-29 04:55:36 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: If only that was related to anything I was talking about.


So? I moved on and had some other questions for you. If you don't want to answer, just say so.
 
2013-01-29 04:58:48 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Beyond people getting compensated, is there a significant difference between a buy-back and a turn-in, and if so what is it?


"You talkin' to me?"

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2013-01-29 04:59:22 PM  

Noticeably F.A.T.: Adolf Oliver Nipples: If only that was related to anything I was talking about.

So? I moved on and had some other questions for you. If you don't want to answer, just say so.


Why are you asking me? I wasn't even a party to it.
 
2013-01-29 05:06:37 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Why are you asking me?


You're here.
 
2013-01-29 05:47:56 PM  

heili skrimsli: My my, how you overreact to a posed photograph taken with a camera that had no one holding it.


Not overreacting in the least. It says an awful lot about the person behind it.

images3.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2013-01-29 05:59:30 PM  

vygramul: Oh, don't take that as an endorsement to shoot to wound. Every firearms training I've ever taken has said that you shoot to kill, for a host of reasons, even before one considers the law's protections or lack thereof.


Which is why I wouldn't load a defense gun with rock salt.

BronyMedic: heili skrimsli: My my, how you overreact to a posed photograph taken with a camera that had no one holding it.

Not overreacting in the least. It says an awful lot about the person behind it.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 624x352]


It's a picture, dude. Nobody was harmed, nor was anyone ever in danger of being harmed. Relax.

Besides, I thought you had to be at the gym in 26 minutes.
 
2013-01-29 06:04:39 PM  

heili skrimsli: It's a picture, dude. Nobody was harmed, nor was anyone ever in danger of being harmed. Relax.

Besides, I thought you had to be at the gym in 26 minutes.


Dammit,woman. If you can deliver a baby, you can take a joke.
 
2013-01-29 06:51:48 PM  

BronyMedic: heili skrimsli: My my, how you overreact to a posed photograph taken with a camera that had no one holding it.

Not overreacting in the least. It says an awful lot about the person behind it.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 624x352]


So you're saying he's kinda hot?
 
2013-01-30 01:11:29 AM  

vygramul: BronyMedic: heili skrimsli: My my, how you overreact to a posed photograph taken with a camera that had no one holding it.

Not overreacting in the least. It says an awful lot about the person behind it.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 624x352]

So you're saying he's kinda hot?


Are you saying you WOULDN'T be gay for Neil Patrick Harris?
 
2013-01-30 03:44:39 AM  

BronyMedic: vygramul: BronyMedic: heili skrimsli: My my, how you overreact to a posed photograph taken with a camera that had no one holding it.

Not overreacting in the least. It says an awful lot about the person behind it.

[images3.wikia.nocookie.net image 624x352]

So you're saying he's kinda hot?

Are you saying you WOULDN'T be gay for Neil Patrick Harris?


Of course not.
 
2013-01-30 07:34:52 AM  

BronyMedic: Dammit,woman. If you can deliver a baby, you can take a joke.


Depends entirely on whether or not it's funny.

vygramul: So you're saying he's kinda hot?


I'd be a dude for NPH.
 
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