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(Daily Mail)   Scientists say the modern office environment rewards narcissists and psychopaths   (dailymail.co.uk ) divider line
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2013-01-28 02:03:17 PM  

"Well, duh."
www.dadsbigplan.com

 
2013-01-28 02:15:59 PM  
Good thing I am both.
 
2013-01-28 02:16:15 PM  
Sweet zombie Jesus, tell me about it.
 
2013-01-28 02:18:54 PM  
yeah, but in my case the narcissistic sonovabiatch who took over my old job SWORE he could do everything I did with no problems....and then promptly crashed the network.  4 times, last count....

gee, ya think maybe they shouldn't have laid me off so quickly?

*sigh*

damn shame.  that used to be such a good company to work for....but that IT department forced a bunch of senior analysts into early retirement and laid off a bunch of the rest of us.  now they've got crappy customer service, a web store that can't stay stable for more than a week at a time and an ordering system that can randomly change your order quantities on a whim.  Don't even get me started on what they did to their mainframe side....*shudder*
 
2013-01-28 02:45:41 PM  

Weaver95: yeah, but in my case the narcissistic sonovabiatch who took over my old job SWORE he could do everything I did with no problems....and then promptly crashed the network. 4 times, last count....


I blame padded resumes and HR who don't do their homework.
 
2013-01-28 02:45:44 PM  
Subby, this is patently false.  I just got promoted at my office and it wasn't because I'm a narcissist or a psychopath.  Let me tell you about it:  I've been in IT for over 17 years.  I have a Master's degree because I'm really smart, but I didn't have to work really hard for it so I tell people I got it to win a bet.  Anyway, I was WFH because it was time for my annual roadkill cremation day, where I burn the corpses I find on the side of the road over the year, and my boss called me and told me there was a job opening up.  I knew I would be perfect for it, because I'm naturally good at everything I try.  I mean, EVERYTHING.  I once took up Thai Chi to see if I could do it and a Buddhist monk told me I had the most perfect form he'd ever seen.  So I went into the interview and demanded a doubling of my salary and my own office, and they asked me if I thought I could do the job.  Me!  OF COURSE I could do the job.  I knew it, they knew it, and to seal the deal I was even wearing my lucky underpants I wove from womens' hair I collect on the subway.  Anyway, I was really pumped about it so I got home and made my award winning baby bok choy and chicken salad, which is so good Wolfgang Puck asked...

Subby?  Where in the hell do you think you're going?  SUBBY?  YOU LISTEN TO ME!
 
2013-01-28 02:52:11 PM  
modern office?!? NOT NEW

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If you dont think your the best no one else will either! If you cant convince other people you're the best for the job you arn't going to get it. Some people call it narcissism others call it self-esteem.
 
2013-01-28 03:11:42 PM  

ajgeek: Weaver95: yeah, but in my case the narcissistic sonovabiatch who took over my old job SWORE he could do everything I did with no problems....and then promptly crashed the network. 4 times, last count....

I blame padded resumes and HR who don't do their homework.


well, in that case the brown nosing idiot suddenly got all buddy buddy with me, then started asking me about how I maintained my custom scripts and how I ran things on weekend shift.  set off ALL my alarm bells, so I gave him half answers and let him make whatever false assumptions he wanted.  and the idiots who picked up our mainframe applications....ye gods!  they reformatted the mainframe one weekend.  no idea why either.  they just wiped it all clean.  took us two weeks to put it all back together.  right after I was done, they laid me off.
 
2013-01-28 04:08:11 PM  
You don't say.
 
2013-01-28 04:18:36 PM  
Egad! Good thing this hasn't spread any further than the modern office!
 
2013-01-28 04:30:31 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: If you dont think your the best no one else will either! If you cant convince other people you're the best for the job you arn't going to get it. Some people call it narcissism others call it self-esteem marketing.


FTFY. Narcissism is when you believe your own bull-shiat. Calling it self-esteem doesn't remove the smell. Calling it "marketing" at least provides justification.
 
2013-01-28 04:31:33 PM  

Weaver95: right after I was done, they laid me off.


That was your mistake. Never should have finished. Didn't you learn anything from the designers of the Kremlin?
 
2013-01-28 04:33:34 PM  
It works when you want to be in the oval office too.
 
2013-01-28 04:35:24 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: It works when you want to be in the oval office too.


Nobody (since Washington) got to the top without a lot of maneuvering. Either by themselves or by others on their behalf.
 
2013-01-28 04:41:50 PM  
popculture4fun.com

"Sorry, I have to call bullshiat -- everyone I work with is perfectly normal!"
 
2013-01-28 04:49:51 PM  
U mad, subby?
cache.gawker.com

/blah blah 26 minutes, etc...
 
2013-01-28 04:50:55 PM  
Yeah no shiat. That's why I hate working at big companies. They attract sociopaths like flies to honey.
 
2013-01-28 04:51:04 PM  
You've got to be a psychopath to get ahead in just about nay profession.

Work hard? HA!!!

Yeah, right. That doesn't get you anywhere these days.
 
2013-01-28 04:55:30 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: Weaver95: right after I was done, they laid me off.

That was your mistake. Never should have finished. Didn't you learn anything from the designers of the Kremlin?


'splain please, and linky? Quick G-search didn't yield anything of interest.
 
2013-01-28 05:04:16 PM  
Good lord, did this egghead actually ever work in an office? Everybody has faults, but no office I've ever been in has had anyone who actually exhibits these traits. There seems to be an obsession among some to assume anyone who does well has done so because they have a psychopathic or narcissistic disorder.

But the truth is nowhere near as exciting. You get gossips and slackers and assholes and idiots like any other environment. And exhibiting a negative trait is going to adversely affect your chances of advancement, not help it, in the vast majority of circumstances.

It's not like TV.

/maybe I've just been lucky in the four companies I've worked for.
 
2013-01-28 05:04:25 PM  
I work in an ad agency. Truer words have never been spoken (at least in the Creative, Digital, PR, and Account Services departments).

The rest of us in "non-creative" areas are pretty normal.

/Almost 20 years here--seen Creatives come and go with padded resumes like so many flakes of snow in a Wisconsin blizzard.
 
2013-01-28 05:06:33 PM  

Galloping Galoshes: The Stealth Hippopotamus: If you dont think your the best no one else will either! If you cant convince other people you're the best for the job you arn't going to get it. Some people call it narcissism others call it self-esteem marketing.

FTFY. Narcissism is when you believe your own bull-shiat. Calling it self-esteem doesn't remove the smell. Calling it "marketing" at least provides justification.


You're talking to someone who has never been right about anything telling us all how important it is that he think he's the best regardless of the evidence.

The irony is delicious.
 
2013-01-28 05:19:52 PM  
Whether you work in the corporate sector, a small business or a public sector job, the system you are in is liable to reward ruthless, selfish manipulation

This is about typical for the lazy crap that Oliver James writes.

I've worked in large and small businesses and in large ones, the political games players can be rewarded, because they thrive on bureaucracy and the holes in it. In small businesses, there's far less bureaucracy. People expect you to deliver product or you get canned.
 
2013-01-28 05:31:27 PM  
No shiat. That's why I got into politics instead.
 
2013-01-28 05:39:14 PM  

Tigger: You're talking to someone who has never been right about anything telling us all how important it is that he think he's the best regardless of the evidence.


It's not very helpful to the marketing plan if there's contrary evidence.

how important it is that he think he's the best Not part of the marketing plan. It's important that the people he's persuading think he's the best.
 
2013-01-28 05:40:00 PM  
Ric Romero's UK Bureau reporting.
 
2013-01-28 05:41:04 PM  

Odd Bird: Galloping Galoshes: Weaver95: right after I was done, they laid me off.

That was your mistake. Never should have finished. Didn't you learn anything from the designers of the Kremlin?

'splain please, and linky? Quick G-search didn't yield anything of interest.


It's said that Ivan the Terrible had them blinded so they could never make anything nearly so beautiful. Never make yourself obsolete.
 
2013-01-28 05:42:34 PM  

Weaver95: yeah, but in my case the narcissistic sonovabiatch who took over my old job SWORE he could do everything I did with no problems....and then promptly crashed the network. 4 times, last count....

gee, ya think maybe they shouldn't have laid me off so quickly?


If they replaced you, you weren't laid off, you were fired.
 
2013-01-28 05:53:31 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Good lord, did this egghead actually ever work in an office? Everybody has faults, but no office I've ever been in has had anyone who actually exhibits these traits. There seems to be an obsession among some to assume anyone who does well has done so because they have a psychopathic or narcissistic disorder.

But the truth is nowhere near as exciting. You get gossips and slackers and assholes and idiots like any other environment. And exhibiting a negative trait is going to adversely affect your chances of advancement, not help it, in the vast majority of circumstances.

It's not like TV.

/maybe I've just been lucky in the four companies I've worked for.


you have been really lucky.

at the wall street firm I worked for, someone was brought in for an assistant vp job for my group (bonds and derivatives). this person had no idea how to price a bond, nor how the S&P/Moody's/Fitch credit ratings worked ("Is AAA better than BBB?"). he consistently got our names and responsibilities confused, and made a complete fool of himself whenever he met with other department managers. all of us tried to clue our MD in about this in the 360 review process.....and this guy was awarded with a promotion to VP.

another example, during a consulting project in France: my team delivered results of our audits and recommendations, which would result in one manager's group in this division gaining more importance than another group. the "losing" manager quietly accepted...and the winning manager went completely batshiat in the board room, attacking everyone. winning manager was still promoted.
 
2013-01-28 05:58:37 PM  
Pete, repete.
 
2013-01-28 06:22:53 PM  

abhorrent1: Weaver95: yeah, but in my case the narcissistic sonovabiatch who took over my old job SWORE he could do everything I did with no problems....and then promptly crashed the network. 4 times, last count....

gee, ya think maybe they shouldn't have laid me off so quickly?

If they replaced you, you weren't laid off, you were fired.


that's just it - they didn't replace me.  they took my work load and gave it to the office idiot.  I never could figure out why they did that....ah well, not my problem now.  I understand they had a LOT of issues running things on the holidays this past year.  I was the one who ran the show during those long weeks when everyone else was off celebrating the holiday.
 
2013-01-28 07:45:48 PM  
Well, I'm screwed.
 
2013-01-28 07:49:54 PM  
All things considered with context I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet.

www.myfacewhen.net
 
2013-01-28 07:52:46 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: modern office?!? NOT NEW

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If you dont think your the best no one else will either! If you cant convince other people you're the best for the job you arn't going to get it. Some people call it narcissism others call it self-esteem.


I call it delusion. I'm an excellent at at my job but to claim that I'm the best there is is just silly.
 
2013-01-28 08:15:31 PM  

Shazam999: Yeah no shiat. That's why I hate working at big companies. They attract sociopaths like flies to honey.


The more layers of inconsequential, redundant BS that are needed, the more likely they are to be filled with syncophants and politicians.

Insurance companies are the worst.
 
2013-01-28 08:28:17 PM  
The ancient office environment too.
 
2013-01-28 09:21:54 PM  
Man, another done in one...
 
2013-01-28 10:13:46 PM  
Seems like it's a problem every organization faces. Those who know how to play internal politics get ahead while people not so good with politics but know how to do their jobs well get laid off or leave for greener pastures. Seems like it's just a very basic part of human nature--instinctual, even. We're still a bunch of hairless apes at heart.
 
2013-01-28 10:42:26 PM  

JonBuck: Seems like it's a problem every organization faces. Those who know how to play internal politics get ahead while people not so good with politics but know how to do their jobs well get laid off or leave for greener pastures. Seems like it's just a very basic part of human nature--instinctual, even. We're still a bunch of hairless apes at heart.


Well, not totally hairless
 
2013-01-28 10:59:06 PM  
To be honest, i haven't been in an office with this kind of drama in it. Its a profession with a very, very high entry requirement, so it tends to weed out all the generic-business-degree holders who swoop in thinking they are the next Trump. Plus, the pay is less than that of comparable high profile professions (Doctor, Lawyer, etc), so it also tends to force out the I-don't-care-what-i-do-just-pay-me crowd.
 
2013-01-29 12:01:37 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Good lord, did this egghead actually ever work in an office? Everybody has faults, but no office I've ever been in has had anyone who actually exhibits these traits. There seems to be an obsession among some to assume anyone who does well has done so because they have a psychopathic or narcissistic disorder.

But the truth is nowhere near as exciting. You get gossips and slackers and assholes and idiots like any other environment. And exhibiting a negative trait is going to adversely affect your chances of advancement, not help it, in the vast majority of circumstances.

It's not like TV.

/maybe I've just been lucky in the four companies I've worked for.


In my life as a mechanical engineer I have rarely ran into a manager that was incompetent. Sure these guys are/were not the most savvy engineers... but they generally knew how to manage. They all raised from the engineering ranks. It seems like the ones that can design and figure out failures stayed in the engineering roles. The ones that could not do either but managed engineers well excelled at engineering management. The ones that could do neither and could not manage others went into 6 sigma.

13 years experience with 3 companies.... your mileage may vary.
 
2013-01-29 12:14:11 AM  
...and?
 
2013-01-29 12:39:07 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: Good lord, did this egghead actually ever work in an office? Everybody has faults, but no office I've ever been in has had anyone who actually exhibits these traits. There seems to be an obsession among some to assume anyone who does well has done so because they have a psychopathic or narcissistic disorder.

But the truth is nowhere near as exciting. You get gossips and slackers and assholes and idiots like any other environment. And exhibiting a negative trait is going to adversely affect your chances of advancement, not help it, in the vast majority of circumstances.

It's not like TV.

/maybe I've just been lucky in the four companies I've worked for.


Eh. I've had a professional career for just coming up on a decade now and so far I've:

*Walked in on a manager sleeping her way to the top (lock the door guys, sheesh).

*Worked with an IT director who literally threw chairs around in his office in a hissy fit because I, an app analyst, had the temerity to tell him I didn't currently have access to the critical infrastructure servers he wanted detailed information about.

*Had to have a sexual harassment intervention with HR and a manager outside of my reporting chain who felt the need to "remind me of my place" by groping my butt.

*Quit my last job in part because the manager's dead serious response to invited criticism was, "Listen, I have the Blackberry and the office here. You're a nobody."
(for the record, I noted that I hadn't seen her in three months, that she refused to respond to emails requesting clarification on ambiguous requests and that the supervisor she hired was desperately in need of technical training).

Maybe you've been lucky. Maybe I've been unlucky. But one thing's for certain: health insurance is a *farked* up scene.
 
2013-01-29 01:09:15 AM  
Heh. And I once worked on a scanner project for HNY claims with a guy my age who I thought was nice enough.

He didn't show up to work the next day because he shot the dude his girlfriend was sleeping with when he got home. It was premeditated on his part and he likely had the gun on him while I was working with him.

My old man's a Java developer. He thought I was being dramatic until he got a job at a competitor. The guy he worked for there is currently doing time for child molestation. ("Please find another industry, son.")

/I should write a book
//Work for an incredibly undramatic software vendor these days
 
2013-01-29 01:10:00 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: *Worked with an IT director who literally threw chairs around in his office in a hissy fit ...

... But one thing's for certain: health insurance is a *farked* up scene.


media.tumblr.com
Don't lie about where you work!

You'll make Steve angry!


/Holy crap the steve ballmer GIS is a goldmine
 
2013-01-29 01:17:39 AM  

erik-k: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: *Worked with an IT director who literally threw chairs around in his office in a hissy fit ...

... But one thing's for certain: health insurance is a *farked* up scene.


Don't lie about where you work!

You'll make Steve angry!
/Holy crap the steve ballmer GIS is a goldmine


Ballmer is at least oafishly self-limiting. He's got the charm of a kids' show villain.

He's the archetype of middle management material, it's amazing to me that he made CEO at all.
 
2013-01-29 02:59:03 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: modern office?!? NOT NEW

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I did a GIS for other images of Nero, and I'm still not certain. Is that the work of an awful, awful sculptor, or did he really look that bizzarre? And WTF is with that beard?
 
2013-01-29 03:03:45 AM  
Well I'm glad the science backs up my experience driven opinion. My experience with it, at a way too big to let go bankrupt, ultra stable company proved that, nepotism, and straight up acting like Smithers were really the only paths to advancement. Performance literally meant less than nothing. Who is giving the single guy manager with 13 cats a blowey is far more relevant.

100% true story.
 
2013-01-29 07:47:52 AM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Maybe you've been lucky. Maybe I've been unlucky.


I find Debeo Summa Credo can be insightful at times; if you're willing to acknowledge he's right when he's right, you can learn a few things by not putting him on Ignore. But if there's one thing I can say with certainty, and I know the guy will vehemently deny it because his impenetrable circular logic is precisely the problem, but DSC is NOT a good judge of character. I mean, really. I think he's honest; he just lives in a bubble.

Me, I've worked under managers that range from hopelessly incompetent to genius. How'd the incompetent wind up in charge? Promotion, in every case. How'd the genius wind up in charge? By founding the company. I once did work for a lady in the financial world who was a damn good manager, but she was eventually forced out of the company by intra-office politics (someone else took over her uber-productive team and she was relegated to managerial limbo).
 
2013-01-29 07:53:44 AM  

TopoGigo: The Stealth Hippopotamus: modern office?!? NOT NEW

[img856.imageshack.us image 193x320]

I did a GIS for other images of Nero, and I'm still not certain. Is that the work of an awful, awful sculptor, or did he really look that bizzarre? And WTF is with that beard?


His full name is Nero the first... neck beard.
 
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