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2013-01-28 04:14:37 PM  
8 votes:
Who's crazy now, you sneering bastards? Is it me, with scissors taped to my hands, crawling around my lawn, clip-clip-clipping as I sound my mighty rumbling roar? Or is it you, sitting on your couch boo-hooing about your new found poverty while some fancy machine is down at your old place in the factory, cutting the assholes out of the sheep without rest nor drink? Kind of makes you wish you'd followed my advice and developed a machine skill for the new economy, doesn't it? Well, for the right price, I can teach you how to survive. Just kidding! You're doomed!

How about this: Practice your bear crawl with your ass up and head down, tongue pressed against the floor. Then you can run your wagging pink licker up and down the aisles of the empty Kroger in the middle of the night. All so I'll have a nice, clean place to walk while spending my New Economy riches! And maybe if you do an extra good job, really lick the spilled filth out from between the cracks, you'll get a nice pat on the head from the metal hand of your automated manager. Need the afternoon off to have your sores looked at? Go suck the WD-40 out of his cock!

Suck it dry human!
2013-01-28 06:30:31 PM  
5 votes:
My job is firing all the people our company has replaced with robots. Good thing there's no robot that can do my job. Hang on, something's coming over the fax...

www.yourprops.com
2013-01-28 05:41:47 PM  
4 votes:

HighOnCraic: The upshot of the story is, that day I called my parents, my father was fired. He was technologically unemployed. My father had worked for the same firm for twelve years. They fired him. They replaced him with a tiny gadget, this big, that does everything my father does, only it does it much better. The depressing thing is, my mother ran out and bought one.


I didn't know Hitachi used to run bordellos.
2013-01-28 04:45:47 PM  
4 votes:

StrandedInAZ: You can't just bury your head in the sand and pretend progress isn't happening.


I disagree with you.

www.fireandreamitchell.com
2013-01-28 02:51:20 PM  
4 votes:

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem?


www.startrek.com

Grab your sabo.
2013-01-28 08:54:25 PM  
3 votes:
Heck, ever since I bought my Fleshlight, I have automated the women in my life
2013-01-28 05:06:11 PM  
3 votes:

kindms: WAR


Huh.
Good God, y'all.
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothin'.
2013-01-28 04:42:18 PM  
3 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Get used to asking if your customers want fries with that.


static.fjcdn.com
2013-01-28 04:29:03 PM  
3 votes:

Polyhazard: Automation and outsourcing are part of the reason I get a kick when someone snarky comment about my Liberal Arts degree.


Did that "Liberal Arts degree" include sentence structure, parts of speech, proof-reading, or grammar?
2013-01-28 07:18:43 PM  
2 votes:

ban_sidhe: "Today we fight the machine 'culture' as it creeps toward us from the hives of artificially nursed industry and stunted taste. That we are probably foredoomed to defeat, does not alter the essential aspect of the case. The impending victory of the intruding order does not alter its intrinsic status. What is to be, is to be, but we are not obligated to grin and pretend we like it. Personally, we can do all in our power to stave off the calamity, and then step aside with the resignation of a dying man, or of a 6th century Roman confronted by the Dark Ages."

H. P. Lovecraft, 1929

/ He was pretty sure the rise of machines would destroy civilization.
// It hasn't so far, and probably won't.
/// Also, Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.


He wrote, before sending his manuscript off to the presses rather than employing a team of scribes...
2013-01-28 05:28:25 PM  
2 votes:

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem?


A) Breed less
or
B) Find a new frontier to grow into. Earth is not lacking for people
or
C) Extinction level event (war, plague, natural disaster)
or
D) I have no farking clue
or
E) Lower taxes (that apparently solves everything)
2013-01-28 05:13:47 PM  
2 votes:

there4igraham: You either evolve or face extinction.


This is the kind of first rate mind I want developing the future.
2013-01-28 05:12:06 PM  
2 votes:
Is it so hard to envision a future where working for a living is no longer the norm and everyone is afforded a basic standard of living via a guaranteed minimum income?
2013-01-28 04:39:15 PM  
2 votes:

meat0918: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What's really going to be fun is when the "safe" jobs start to be lost to automation: engineers, IT admins, programmers, etc...

That's when the real butthurt will begin.

The day software can be efficiently designed, implemented, and tested without human intervention is the day machines no longer need people. And we've already got automated testing suites as it is.


A computer program that can design, implement, and test a computer program?

userserve-ak.last.fm
2013-01-28 04:36:53 PM  
2 votes:

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.


Reduce the standard work week, say to 30 or 35 hours, but keep the annual compensation the same.

More people working, more money circulating through the economy, and more free time to spend it.
2013-01-28 04:35:31 PM  
2 votes:

oh_please: durbnpoisn: Didn't this happen to Charlie's father in "Charlie and the Chocalte Factory"?

He did okay after a machine replaced him. He simply took a job repairing the machines that took his job.

Yeah, but Grandpa Joe sat around on his ass because he "couldn't walk", then when Charlie got the Golden Ticket, all of a sudden, he's up and dancing around, WTF is that?


Part of the 47%.
2013-01-28 04:32:52 PM  
2 votes:

durbnpoisn: Didn't this happen to Charlie's father in "Charlie and the Chocalte Factory"?

He did okay after a machine replaced him. He simply took a job repairing the machines that took his job.


Yeah, but Grandpa Joe sat around on his ass because he "couldn't walk", then when Charlie got the Golden Ticket, all of a sudden, he's up and dancing around, WTF is that?
2013-01-28 04:17:32 PM  
2 votes:
You know I fear for my job.
Executive manager of jizz mopping and booth hygienics took *years* of training and experience to master.
I just don't see how I'm going to survive if they get a robot to do this.
2013-01-28 04:06:31 PM  
2 votes:
There will be an Exodus to Mexico by Americans looking for work?
2013-01-29 05:01:53 PM  
1 vote:

Lagaidh: As I've progressed... I swear the less work I do, the more I've been paid. I just don't get it.


What will really bake your noodle: when you progress in your career and assume more management responsibility, you'll notice that the more you screw up, the more you get paid.

That was what creeped me the hell out when it started happening to me.
2013-01-29 03:48:13 PM  
1 vote:
In other news, the US keeps hiring engineers from offshore because we can't get enough qualified applicants here.

Get that degree, and keep your record clean.

/not hard, but you'd be surprised at how many can only do one of those.
2013-01-29 03:13:55 AM  
1 vote:
I feel like I'm approaching retirement like that guy in Star Wars bombing the death star.

"almost there!!! Almost there!!"

/never makes it
2013-01-28 08:39:38 PM  
1 vote:

Fano: imgod2u: Fano: Kaiku: Is it so hard to envision a future where working for a living is no longer the norm and everyone is afforded a basic standard of living via a guaranteed minimum income?

And who are these noble people who will pay bums to lay around?

The minority who don't want the majority (of bums) to rise up against them. Even Caesar provided coliseums.

In the end, panum et circusae isn't a solid strategy.It's demeaning and dehumanizing. People need a purpose. Think of what trust fund kids do with their time and realize that an infinite amount of money wouldn't be enough.


A better example would be modern day UK. So the worst we'll have to worry about is high levels of binge drinking and lack of attractive women.
2013-01-28 08:19:39 PM  
1 vote:

Sin_City_Superhero: My job is firing all the people our company has replaced with robots. Good thing there's no robot that can do my job. Hang on, something's coming over the fax...

[www.yourprops.com image 600x337]


Know what? I recently found out that Cusco is a real company.
They make industrial vacuum trucks.

There's a "sucker" joke in there somewhere...
2013-01-28 07:23:32 PM  
1 vote:
I make under 40k trying to cure cancer :/
2013-01-28 07:22:48 PM  
1 vote:

WORLD OF LUDDITES



/new MMORPG!
2013-01-28 07:03:03 PM  
1 vote:

jst3p: xynix: I spanked my son until it hurt my hand more than his ass which was at about age 9 1/2. Now I just threaten to take away his iPhone (which he earned by the way) and he does what I ask. He has a 4.0 GPA and if that slips at all he loses the phone. It's really not that hard to discipline a child these days it's just a different technique. Grounding a kid has become mobile or electronics based.

My kids fear having their memory card deleted far more than any spanking.


Jesus that's cruel. I mean, spanking is one thing, but reformatting your children?!
2013-01-28 06:59:18 PM  
1 vote:

BarkingUnicorn: Eddie Adams from Torrance: ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.

Well, we could educate our citizens better so they could compete for jobs in the new information based economy, but that's socialism.... so, no.

People are not machines that can be programmed for any task.


No. People are machines that can be programmed for any task equal to or less than their ability. The solution is to keep your ability above that of a machine. The goal of any person should be to keep their ability at such a point that it's not replaceable by a machine at that time.

To be utilitarian about it, if the only point of you having a job is to provide you with an income; I'd just as soon give you the money for free and have a more capable machine do your job. Accomplishing things slower just to pretend that it's capitalism instead of socialism is idiotic.

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Knowledge of what? what is there to learn? And what would you do with that knowledge once you got it? That's not human nature. The pursuit is not of knowledge, but of pleasure. What do the idle rich do all day, compete for noble prizes? nah, man. They compete for pleasures. To be idle and rich is not to be Tony Stark, it's to be an Eldar. or a Kuwaiti.


sandeshkumard.files.wordpress.com
Sir Richard Branson laughs in your general direction. Personally, I were filthy rich, I'd spend my time bankrolling awesome crap for the sake of being awesome. But maybe that's because I derive pleasure from knowledge and innovation.

/hot
2013-01-28 06:47:39 PM  
1 vote:

Fano: And who are these noble people who will pay bums to lay around?


Currently, it's the noble taxpayer that pays the bums in Congress to sit around not getting shiat accomplished...

HaywoodJablonski: be happy that you don't have to beat your kids.


Just so we're clear...I don't HAVE to beat 'em, but I can if I want to, right?
2013-01-28 06:44:50 PM  
1 vote:
All your jobs r belong to us.
2013-01-28 06:33:33 PM  
1 vote:

oh_please: amquelbettamin: If there's 15% unemployment everyone should only work 4 out of the 5 days they otherwise would. Then there would be room for 20% more work. The demand vs supply gap of 5% of workers should drive up salaries as well.

wat? Think that through again.


Hmmm..

Maybe 5% of people need to work 20% harder......errr. My dog ate my calculator.
2013-01-28 06:22:24 PM  
1 vote:
I own a 40-acre farm.

Ha! Ha! Estoy usando el Internet!
2013-01-28 05:51:14 PM  
1 vote:

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.


Self-correcting problem. We just need many fewer humans
2013-01-28 05:38:22 PM  
1 vote:

wildcardjack: filling the indents with hot goo.


Go on...
2013-01-28 05:32:23 PM  
1 vote:

jst3p: xynix: I spanked my son until it hurt my hand more than his ass which was at about age 9 1/2. Now I just threaten to take away his iPhone (which he earned by the way) and he does what I ask. He has a 4.0 GPA and if that slips at all he loses the phone. It's really not that hard to discipline a child these days it's just a different technique. Grounding a kid has become mobile or electronics based.

My kids fear having their memory card deleted far more than any spanking.


Your kids haven't learned about Carbonite yet?
2013-01-28 05:27:53 PM  
1 vote:

pheed: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Well, we could educate our citizens better so they could compete for jobs in the new information based economy, but that's socialism.... so, no.

Actually the socialist answer would be to kill all the smart people (those they have the training and the money) and put untrained uneducated people in those places. That way in a few years everyone is in the field working the crops with their bare hands. It would be perfect. All of us equal and no one better than the other.

[25.media.tumblr.com image 300x367]

What a Stealth HipPolPotamus may look like...


static.guim.co.uk

"Tell them you were a Taxi driver."
2013-01-28 05:24:49 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Well, we could educate our citizens better so they could compete for jobs in the new information based economy, but that's socialism.... so, no.

Actually the socialist answer would be to kill all the smart people (those they have the training and the money) and put untrained uneducated people in those places. That way in a few years everyone is in the field working the crops with their bare hands. It would be perfect. All of us equal and no one better than the other.


25.media.tumblr.com

What a Stealth HipPolPotamus may look like...
2013-01-28 05:23:01 PM  
1 vote:

Kaiku: Is it so hard to envision a future where working for a living is no longer the norm and everyone is afforded a basic standard of living via a guaranteed minimum income?


Personally, I'm waiting for my replicator & personal holodeck* to be invented...

* if something like that is ever made, it would probably be the last invention of mankind...
2013-01-28 05:13:19 PM  
1 vote:

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.


But we *do* generate work for work's sake. If all that was needed was to feed, cloth and shelter everyone, human progress would've stopped decades ago. We've well gone past the threshold of being able to provide all the basic necessities of every human being in the world. We're currently spinning wheels to make life ever-more luxurious.

What else do you call fashion designers but "work for work's sake"? Are new styles of clothing really needed?

What about smartphones, ever faster computers, etc.?

Granted, there are many still real problems out there -- uneven distribution of resources, certain diseases, etc. And we can always throw all of human effort towards all of the tangential developments that can help towards those. All those faster computers, for instance, make it possible to simulate protein folding in an effort to understand (and eventually cure) cancer. Ever-faster image computational devices allow machine-assisted surgery, which significantly improves on survival rates.

My point is that there are always areas that we can create jobs that, from an outsider, seems entirely useless. So long as there are some things that needs a human.
2013-01-28 05:12:18 PM  
1 vote:

xynix: Anyway I tore his ass up


Don't ask, don't tell, bro.
2013-01-28 05:06:30 PM  
1 vote:
Everyone's missing the obvious solution here:

WE CAN FINALLY SEND ALL OF THE WOMEN HOME AGAIN.
2013-01-28 05:04:41 PM  
1 vote:

kindms: Cyno01: Another Government Employee: azmoviez: cman: Is losing a job to a machine really such a bad thing? I really dont understand why people are pissed off of technological progress.

If you had made a career out of being a travel agent, I could imagine you'd be pissed that your livelihood is gone in a matter of just a few years. There's really not much of a grace period when technology just overwhelms the industry that you work.  Ask Borders.

I see the change happening with major grocery and retail workers right now in a big hurry.

It would have happened already if customer acceptance had been better. The software is out there.

Automatic checkouts as they are SUUUUUUUCK. For whatever reason the UI is crap compared to what actual cashiers have. BUT, its a stepping stone. Give it a few years for the RFID tag to replace the UPC and stores wont even HAVE checkouts anymore, youll just bag up your shiat at the front of the store and walk out, everything in your cart automatically being totaled up and charged to your card. Sure you still need stockboys and a few people on the floor, but thats hundreds of thousands of entry level no skill cashiering jobs that will just be GONE.

The only thing holding back automation in tons of industries is that its still cheaper to pay someone $8 an hour to do it. But automation will always get cheaper, and the benefits of being able to work 24/7 without a break, or needing health care, or even training make it a very attractive option.

They already do this. You can grab a scan gun when you walk in to the grocery store and scan as you put stuff in your cart. We don't have it in NY where I am but my mom in CT does. She says they get audited (in store check cart vs. receipt) every so often.


That would be nice, but I can see that ending VERY badly for the grocery stores in Alabama. Hell, The Wal-Marts here had to shut down self-checkout, guess why..
2013-01-28 05:03:59 PM  
1 vote:

newton: They don't seem to notice that one programmer can take out thousands of jobs.


That is exactly the idea.

Who is feeding the factory workers you just laid off with your robots?

More robots. Taking the manual labor out of agriculture is already a 95% done deal. Have a look at the trend in agricultural employment in the US over the last 100 years. Your jaw will hit the floor.

ajgeek: Idle hands and all that.


Again, compared to the way our ancestors lived and worked, we're 95% of the way there. Eliminating the last 5% of the need for human labor won't be that big a deal.
2013-01-28 05:01:11 PM  
1 vote:
I'm not really worried about it. They'll NEVER automate the buggy-whip factory I work at...
2013-01-28 05:00:41 PM  
1 vote:

ashinmytomatoes: I remember seeing an article about an automated library somewhere in Asia where patrons could check out their own books via machine.

I have to say that I haven't been to the public library in months because I check out eBooks and eAudiobooks from their website. I used to go to the library once a week. It makes me wonder about the future of librarianship a little. I know people will always need help with the databases and reference questions but I wonder about circulation.




We have that in Tulsa, Oklahoma so I have to guess that it is in major cities as well. Of course we have a really really well funded system here.

Still have an old lady that sits behind the machine to help people out. I really hope we are not paying her for that. She spends most of her time knitting and staring off into space.
2013-01-28 04:59:18 PM  
1 vote:

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem?


Simple -- you retrain people for other work when their job is (being) eliminated. This is one of the reasons why a broad education base is so critical to an economy: People with a reasonable breadth of knowledge are far more "cross-industry mobile". Yes the training does cost taxpayer money, as does every investment in a nation, but it brings a nice ROI. Everyone pays everyone benefits.

/at least that's what to do if we want to maintain a vibrant economy
2013-01-28 04:54:45 PM  
1 vote:

Cyno01: Another Government Employee: azmoviez: cman: Is losing a job to a machine really such a bad thing? I really dont understand why people are pissed off of technological progress.

If you had made a career out of being a travel agent, I could imagine you'd be pissed that your livelihood is gone in a matter of just a few years. There's really not much of a grace period when technology just overwhelms the industry that you work.  Ask Borders.

I see the change happening with major grocery and retail workers right now in a big hurry.

It would have happened already if customer acceptance had been better. The software is out there.

Automatic checkouts as they are SUUUUUUUCK. For whatever reason the UI is crap compared to what actual cashiers have. BUT, its a stepping stone. Give it a few years for the RFID tag to replace the UPC and stores wont even HAVE checkouts anymore, youll just bag up your shiat at the front of the store and walk out, everything in your cart automatically being totaled up and charged to your card. Sure you still need stockboys and a few people on the floor, but thats hundreds of thousands of entry level no skill cashiering jobs that will just be GONE.

The only thing holding back automation in tons of industries is that its still cheaper to pay someone $8 an hour to do it. But automation will always get cheaper, and the benefits of being able to work 24/7 without a break, or needing health care, or even training make it a very attractive option.


They already do this. You can grab a scan gun when you walk in to the grocery store and scan as you put stuff in your cart. We don't have it in NY where I am but my mom in CT does. She says they get audited (in store check cart vs. receipt) every so often.
2013-01-28 04:53:18 PM  
1 vote:

xynix: I spanked my son until it hurt my hand more than his ass which was at about age 9 1/2. Now I just threaten to take away his iPhone (which he earned by the way) and he does what I ask. He has a 4.0 GPA and if that slips at all he loses the phone. It's really not that hard to discipline a child these days it's just a different technique. Grounding a kid has become mobile or electronics based.


My kids fear having their memory card deleted far more than any spanking.
2013-01-28 04:52:15 PM  
1 vote:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Eddie Adams from Torrance: Well, we could educate our citizens better so they could compete for jobs in the new information based economy, but that's socialism.... so, no.

Actually the socialist answer would be to kill all the smart people (those they have the training and the money) and put untrained uneducated people in those places. That way in a few years everyone is in the field working the crops with their bare hands. It would be perfect. All of us equal and no one better than the other.


Way to be a douchebag, douchebag.
2013-01-28 04:50:05 PM  
1 vote:

The sound of one hand clapping: Once machines start taking away all the unskilled labor there will just not be enough skilled jobs for everyone.


1802 called, they want their fear mongering back.
2013-01-28 04:43:49 PM  
1 vote:

BarkingUnicorn: Eddie Adams from Torrance: ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.

Well, we could educate our citizens better so they could compete for jobs in the new information based economy, but that's socialism.... so, no.

People are not machines that can be programmed for any task.


My children are 8 and 11. The experiment is ongoing but I should have results to report in 10 years.
kab
2013-01-28 04:41:26 PM  
1 vote:

kindms: Basically there will have to be a really big war that kills millions of people or a virus. It makes me wonder if we should start causing trouble between India and China. Probably the quickest and most efficient way to remove 100s of millions of humans from the work force, reduce over population etc etc


You're also reducing demand by those same 100's of millions, so really you're not accomplishing anything other than temporarily hiring a lot of grave diggers.
2013-01-28 04:41:09 PM  
1 vote:

Polyhazard: J.Shelby: Polyhazard: Automation and outsourcing are part of the reason I get a kick when someone snarky comment about my Liberal Arts degree.

Did that "Liberal Arts degree" include sentence structure, parts of speech, proof-reading, or grammar?

Robots ate my verb.


Ahh, OK, my apologies then, Please carry on."

/Damn bots!
2013-01-28 04:39:36 PM  
1 vote:

kindms: ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.

The same solution that always fixes this problem. WAR

Basically there will have to be a really big war that kills millions of people or a virus. It makes me wonder if we should start causing trouble between India and China. Probably the quickest and most efficient way to remove 100s of millions of humans from the work force, reduce over population etc etc

both are nuclear armed. They just need a reason to help the rest of us out.


Why do you think we're letting the opium trade go relatively unopposed in Afghanistan?
2013-01-28 04:39:35 PM  
1 vote:

J.Shelby: Polyhazard: Automation and outsourcing are part of the reason I get a kick when someone snarky comment about my Liberal Arts degree.

Did that "Liberal Arts degree" include sentence structure, parts of speech, proof-reading, or grammar?


Robots ate my verb.
2013-01-28 04:38:03 PM  
1 vote:

dj_spanmaster: If robots are taking all the menial jobs and will support the entire population (destitute and wealthy, all), then will those who support the robots (programming, maintenance, administration) be the ones truly in control?


God I hope so! Then I can finally put my devious plan into action!
2013-01-28 04:38:00 PM  
1 vote:

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.


This is why developing a genuine skill set is important. Unfortunately, no one developed a machine that can replace middle managament yet.
2013-01-28 04:37:51 PM  
1 vote:

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.


The same solution that always fixes this problem. WAR

Basically there will have to be a really big war that kills millions of people or a virus. It makes me wonder if we should start causing trouble between India and China. Probably the quickest and most efficient way to remove 100s of millions of humans from the work force, reduce over population etc etc

both are nuclear armed. They just need a reason to help the rest of us out.
2013-01-28 04:36:04 PM  
1 vote:
It's called symbiosis folks! We just leave all the heavy thinking and decision making to the robs and keep the electron furnaces filled. We receive Crossainwiches in return... very fair.
kab
2013-01-28 04:35:32 PM  
1 vote:

jonnypeh: So those unemployed people have to find other things to do.


Only because society is stuck in the mindset of everyone 'earning their keep'. But eventually, this is simply going to be an impossibility, if it isn't already.

We have a situation where the population continues to rise, life expectancies rise, employed folks stay working longer, and industries get by with fewer employees thanks to automation, and tech. Outside of some giant natural disaster, war, or epidemic, none of these trends are going to change anytime soon.

The solutions?

1) accept the fact that our society can absorb and uphold a growing number of unemployed people
2) create busy work for unemployed people

Take your pick.
2013-01-28 04:29:54 PM  
1 vote:

durbnpoisn: Didn't this happen to Charlie's father in "Charlie and the Chocalte Factory"?

He did okay after a machine replaced him. He simply took a job repairing the machines that took his job.


Listen, Mr. Reagan, those were MOVIES you were in, it wasn't real life!
2013-01-28 04:29:15 PM  
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ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem?


soylent green
2013-01-28 04:28:10 PM  
1 vote:

Reverend Monkeypants: Ya know what?
fark this guy.
Making 67 grand a year for reading farking numbers?
I don't care how farking long you've been doing it.
It's as bad as the $40 an hour assholes who attach bumpers to cars in Detroit...
The $50 an hour construction site flag wavers.
fark all y'all.



Exactly.Anybody making more than you needs to have their wages cut, so those people who are already wealthy can become even more wealthy. Because YOUR job is important and you DESERVE to be paid what you make!

/not really, there are probably a billion people in this world who will do your job better and more cheaply, and the Mitt Romneys of the world will give them your job soon enough. And you will cheer.
2013-01-28 04:26:22 PM  
1 vote:
Didn't this happen to Charlie's father in "Charlie and the Chocalte Factory"?

He did okay after a machine replaced him. He simply took a job repairing the machines that took his job.
2013-01-28 04:22:33 PM  
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ajgeek: but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor.


Yep, I've been saying that for over a decade - it is rather obvious. No one want to think about it, though - the usual retort is that we'll "innovate" something else to do - because manual laborers are typically so good at market innovation.
2013-01-28 04:15:18 PM  
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But, what if *I* am a machine and don't know it?

/what's a 'tortoise'?
2013-01-28 04:15:06 PM  
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Jument: cman: Is losing a job to a machine really such a bad thing?

I really dont understand why people are pissed off of technological progress.

It's only a bad thing if you're the one who ends up homeless as a result.


That is an argument for proper unemployment safety nets, training schemes, adult education systems, and so on, not an argument to hold up technological progress to keep what become effectively ditch digging jobs that could be automated but aren't just to avoid the issues around retraining, etc.
2013-01-28 04:15:02 PM  
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Automation and outsourcing are part of the reason I get a kick when someone snarky comment about my Liberal Arts degree.
2013-01-28 04:14:24 PM  
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So those unemployed people have to find other things to do. But USA isn't exactly known for its social mobility.
2013-01-28 04:13:16 PM  
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What's really going to be fun is when the "safe" jobs start to be lost to automation: engineers, IT admins, programmers, etc...

That's when the real butthurt will begin.
2013-01-28 04:12:27 PM  
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Welcome to what manufacturing has been dealing with for decades.

We're going to have an interesting problem on our hands as people are replaced by machines.

Do we share in an increase in leisure time (that should be) afforded us, or do we round up the now unemployable due to technology into government housing and give them all food rations?

Basically, are only the rich going to benefit, or society as a whole.

//Guessing the rich
2013-01-28 04:11:27 PM  
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Eddie Adams from Torrance: Well, we could educate our citizens better so they could compete for jobs in the new information based economy, but that's socialism.... so, no.


Actually the socialist answer would be to kill all the smart people (those they have the training and the money) and put untrained uneducated people in those places. That way in a few years everyone is in the field working the crops with their bare hands. It would be perfect. All of us equal and no one better than the other.
2013-01-28 04:10:30 PM  
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Thinking about the jobless future makes me feel a little less regret for never having kids.

Yessir, things don't look good for our species.
2013-01-28 04:10:18 PM  
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azmoviez: cman: Is losing a job to a machine really such a bad thing? I really dont understand why people are pissed off of technological progress.

If you had made a career out of being a travel agent, I could imagine you'd be pissed that your livelihood is gone in a matter of just a few years. There's really not much of a grace period when technology just overwhelms the industry that you work.  Ask Borders.

I see the change happening with major grocery and retail workers right now in a big hurry.


I used to be a typesetter.
2013-01-28 04:09:35 PM  
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thebsreport.files.wordpress.com
2013-01-28 04:08:27 PM  
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www.earlyamericancrime.com
2013-01-28 04:07:19 PM  
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cman: Is losing a job to a machine really such a bad thing?

I really dont understand why people are pissed off of technological progress.


It's only a bad thing if you're the one who ends up homeless as a result.
2013-01-28 04:06:48 PM  
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ajgeek:
/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.


That was all I had.
2013-01-28 04:05:02 PM  
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Contrary to our negative view of luddites: efficiency and automation do cost jobs.
2013-01-28 03:46:49 PM  
1 vote:
Is losing a job to a machine really such a bad thing?

I really dont understand why people are pissed off of technological progress.
2013-01-28 03:26:02 PM  
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Let robots and smart machines do all the work, and have a Star Trek economy.
2013-01-28 03:05:42 PM  
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I've been maintaining for a while that we'll never drop below 6% unemployment again.  I can't envision some new industry that would need to be labor intensive and I can see just about every profession threatened by some form of technology and efficiency.  Oh and we are still adding to the global population.
2013-01-28 03:05:05 PM  
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ajgeek: Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake


There will always be infrastructure that needs rebuilding or refreshing.
2013-01-28 03:04:52 PM  
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i.imgur.com

What your next job interview might look like.


/Not obscure

2013-01-28 03:00:53 PM  
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ajgeek: Idle hands and all that.


Free, government-subsidized pr0n for everyone! That'll keep everyone's hands from being idle anyway.
2013-01-28 02:46:54 PM  
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ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem?


Bionics.
2013-01-28 02:40:15 PM  
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Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.
 
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