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2013-01-28 01:16:50 PM
Welcome to the Industrial Age.
 
2013-01-28 02:40:15 PM
Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.
 
2013-01-28 02:46:54 PM

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem?


Bionics.
 
2013-01-28 02:50:48 PM

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.


Well, we could educate our citizens better so they could compete for jobs in the new information based economy, but that's socialism.... so, no.
 
2013-01-28 02:51:20 PM

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem?


www.startrek.com

Grab your sabo.
 
2013-01-28 03:00:53 PM

ajgeek: Idle hands and all that.


Free, government-subsidized pr0n for everyone! That'll keep everyone's hands from being idle anyway.
 
2013-01-28 03:04:52 PM

i.imgur.com

What your next job interview might look like.


/Not obscure

 
2013-01-28 03:05:05 PM

ajgeek: Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake


There will always be infrastructure that needs rebuilding or refreshing.
 
2013-01-28 03:05:42 PM
I've been maintaining for a while that we'll never drop below 6% unemployment again.  I can't envision some new industry that would need to be labor intensive and I can see just about every profession threatened by some form of technology and efficiency.  Oh and we are still adding to the global population.
 
2013-01-28 03:26:02 PM
Let robots and smart machines do all the work, and have a Star Trek economy.
 
2013-01-28 03:41:21 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.

Well, we could educate our citizens better so they could compete for jobs in the new information based economy, but that's socialism.... so, no.


We could just kick out all the people biatching about their jobs being stolen, who refuse to adapt.
 
2013-01-28 03:46:49 PM
Is losing a job to a machine really such a bad thing?

I really dont understand why people are pissed off of technological progress.
 
2013-01-28 03:54:41 PM
cman: Is losing a job to a machine really such a bad thing? I really dont understand why people are pissed off of technological progress.

If you had made a career out of being a travel agent, I could imagine you'd be pissed that your livelihood is gone in a matter of just a few years. There's really not much of a grace period when technology just overwhelms the industry that you work.  Ask Borders.

I see the change happening with major grocery and retail workers right now in a big hurry.
 
2013-01-28 04:05:02 PM
Contrary to our negative view of luddites: efficiency and automation do cost jobs.
 
2013-01-28 04:06:31 PM
There will be an Exodus to Mexico by Americans looking for work?
 
2013-01-28 04:06:48 PM

ajgeek:
/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.


That was all I had.
 
2013-01-28 04:07:19 PM

cman: Is losing a job to a machine really such a bad thing?

I really dont understand why people are pissed off of technological progress.


It's only a bad thing if you're the one who ends up homeless as a result.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-01-28 04:07:45 PM
A study came out today that said that 50% of the US work force is underemployed...

BUT WE NEED THAT CHEAP LABOR! WE NEED ALL THOSE H1-Bs!

The U.S. is now a full plutocracy.
 
2013-01-28 04:08:27 PM
www.earlyamericancrime.com
 
2013-01-28 04:09:35 PM
thebsreport.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-28 04:10:18 PM

azmoviez: cman: Is losing a job to a machine really such a bad thing? I really dont understand why people are pissed off of technological progress.

If you had made a career out of being a travel agent, I could imagine you'd be pissed that your livelihood is gone in a matter of just a few years. There's really not much of a grace period when technology just overwhelms the industry that you work.  Ask Borders.

I see the change happening with major grocery and retail workers right now in a big hurry.


I used to be a typesetter.
 
2013-01-28 04:10:30 PM
Thinking about the jobless future makes me feel a little less regret for never having kids.

Yessir, things don't look good for our species.
 
2013-01-28 04:11:27 PM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Well, we could educate our citizens better so they could compete for jobs in the new information based economy, but that's socialism.... so, no.


Actually the socialist answer would be to kill all the smart people (those they have the training and the money) and put untrained uneducated people in those places. That way in a few years everyone is in the field working the crops with their bare hands. It would be perfect. All of us equal and no one better than the other.
 
2013-01-28 04:12:27 PM
Welcome to what manufacturing has been dealing with for decades.

We're going to have an interesting problem on our hands as people are replaced by machines.

Do we share in an increase in leisure time (that should be) afforded us, or do we round up the now unemployable due to technology into government housing and give them all food rations?

Basically, are only the rich going to benefit, or society as a whole.

//Guessing the rich
 
2013-01-28 04:13:16 PM
What's really going to be fun is when the "safe" jobs start to be lost to automation: engineers, IT admins, programmers, etc...

That's when the real butthurt will begin.
 
2013-01-28 04:14:24 PM
So those unemployed people have to find other things to do. But USA isn't exactly known for its social mobility.
 
2013-01-28 04:14:33 PM

azmoviez: cman: Is losing a job to a machine really such a bad thing? I really dont understand why people are pissed off of technological progress.

If you had made a career out of being a travel agent, I could imagine you'd be pissed that your livelihood is gone in a matter of just a few years. There's really not much of a grace period when technology just overwhelms the industry that you work.  Ask Borders.

I see the change happening with major grocery and retail workers right now in a big hurry.


It would have happened already if customer acceptance had been better. The software is out there.
 
2013-01-28 04:14:37 PM
Who's crazy now, you sneering bastards? Is it me, with scissors taped to my hands, crawling around my lawn, clip-clip-clipping as I sound my mighty rumbling roar? Or is it you, sitting on your couch boo-hooing about your new found poverty while some fancy machine is down at your old place in the factory, cutting the assholes out of the sheep without rest nor drink? Kind of makes you wish you'd followed my advice and developed a machine skill for the new economy, doesn't it? Well, for the right price, I can teach you how to survive. Just kidding! You're doomed!

How about this: Practice your bear crawl with your ass up and head down, tongue pressed against the floor. Then you can run your wagging pink licker up and down the aisles of the empty Kroger in the middle of the night. All so I'll have a nice, clean place to walk while spending my New Economy riches! And maybe if you do an extra good job, really lick the spilled filth out from between the cracks, you'll get a nice pat on the head from the metal hand of your automated manager. Need the afternoon off to have your sores looked at? Go suck the WD-40 out of his cock!

Suck it dry human!
 
2013-01-28 04:15:02 PM
Automation and outsourcing are part of the reason I get a kick when someone snarky comment about my Liberal Arts degree.
 
2013-01-28 04:15:06 PM

Jument: cman: Is losing a job to a machine really such a bad thing?

I really dont understand why people are pissed off of technological progress.

It's only a bad thing if you're the one who ends up homeless as a result.


That is an argument for proper unemployment safety nets, training schemes, adult education systems, and so on, not an argument to hold up technological progress to keep what become effectively ditch digging jobs that could be automated but aren't just to avoid the issues around retraining, etc.
 
2013-01-28 04:15:18 PM
But, what if *I* am a machine and don't know it?

/what's a 'tortoise'?
 
2013-01-28 04:15:23 PM
Oh, and I HATE the idea of robots getting my books. I find a lot of interesting reads (and a few stinkers of course), just browsing the aisles.

Yeah, I know, I can browse a virtual bookshelf with search capabilities more efficiently, but damn it, maybe I like my library meandering time!
 
2013-01-28 04:15:55 PM

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.


In fairness .. jobs like this one should have never existed. A guy who's sole duty is to walk around and look at a meter and then write down a number. It's mindless and unskilled work. There is also a scaling issue in that the more people who have electricity the more expensive per house this type of job becomes. The problem for me comes with the fact that the power companies are just increasing margin. They're not passing savings on to consumers even though they're getting less overhead. I also don't understand why they don't have remote locks that turn the meter off or on. Why does a human have to walk up to the meter and make a change? I understand this with water or gas to an extent.. especially gas but even water could be remotely turned on and off. Waiting a week to get some dude to turn a valve so you can have running water is simply stupid.
 
2013-01-28 04:16:42 PM
Data entry was the first and only job I truly enjoyed. The work happened effortlessly while I listened to audiobooks and music.

/Damn scanners
 
2013-01-28 04:16:43 PM
Only comment under TFA is just as derpy as this whole town is.
 
2013-01-28 04:17:32 PM
You know I fear for my job.
Executive manager of jizz mopping and booth hygienics took *years* of training and experience to master.
I just don't see how I'm going to survive if they get a robot to do this.
 
2013-01-28 04:18:58 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What's really going to be fun is when the "safe" jobs start to be lost to automation: engineers, IT admins, programmers, etc...

That's when the real butthurt will begin.


The day software can be efficiently designed, implemented, and tested without human intervention is the day machines no longer need people. And we've already got automated testing suites as it is.
 
2013-01-28 04:19:29 PM
Ya know what?
fark this guy.
Making 67 grand a year for reading farking numbers?
I don't care how farking long you've been doing it.
It's as bad as the $40 an hour assholes who attach bumpers to cars in Detroit...
The $50 an hour construction site flag wavers.
fark all y'all.
 
2013-01-28 04:20:07 PM
I remember seeing an article about an automated library somewhere in Asia where patrons could check out their own books via machine.

I have to say that I haven't been to the public library in months because I check out eBooks and eAudiobooks from their website. I used to go to the library once a week. It makes me wonder about the future of librarianship a little. I know people will always need help with the databases and reference questions but I wonder about circulation.
 
2013-01-28 04:21:17 PM

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.


Get used to asking if your customers want fries with that.
 
2013-01-28 04:22:22 PM

meat0918: Oh, and I HATE the idea of robots getting my books. I find a lot of interesting reads (and a few stinkers of course), just browsing the aisles.

Yeah, I know, I can browse a virtual bookshelf with search capabilities more efficiently, but damn it, maybe I like my library meandering time!


This.
Serendipitous discoveries are part of the joy of strolling around libraries and bookstores.
 
2013-01-28 04:22:33 PM

ajgeek: but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor.


Yep, I've been saying that for over a decade - it is rather obvious. No one want to think about it, though - the usual retort is that we'll "innovate" something else to do - because manual laborers are typically so good at market innovation.
 
2013-01-28 04:23:52 PM

ajgeek: Does anyone smarter than me have a potential solution to this problem? Obviously we can't generate work for work's sake and not everyone can fix the machines that do work for us, but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor. This is both real and very serious. Idle hands and all that.

/and no, sending everyone to China won't help either.


Start another World War to get rid of unemployed people? (got nothin')
 
2013-01-28 04:24:02 PM

FishyFred: There will always be infrastructure that needs rebuilding or refreshing.


Machines don't do that?
 
2013-01-28 04:24:22 PM

doczoidberg: Thinking about the jobless future makes me feel a little less regret for never having kids.

Yessir, things don't look good for our species.


For me, it's seeing how entitled today's kids are. I don't imagine I'd be able to raise a kid the way my parents raised me. I got hit when I acted up and deserved it. If I'd been born 20 years later, CPS would have probably taken me away from them, even though I never thought I was abused. My parents couldn't afford brand name clothing or sneakers, but we didn't care because nobody else in our neighborhood had that stuff, either. We as kids understood mom and dad were doing the best they could and wouldn't think of asking our parents for something we knew they couldn't afford. My parents didn't believe in buying things on credit (except for the house, which had a mortgage). If you couldn't afford to buy it with cash, you didn't need it. I've worked since I was 11, starting with a paper route. If I wanted designer sneakers, I could buy them with my own money.

As for the future of the species, I'm more optimistic than you. However, I think the ones who will survive are the ones who learn to adapt. You can't just bury your head in the sand and pretend progress isn't happening. If people who had jobs such as a travel agent didn't see the obsolescence of their jobs coming, they weren't paying attention. If you do a job that a machine can do or that the internet now allows your clients to do themselves, then you should be training and preparing to do something else. Even the pron industry has been affected by the internet boom. If pron isn't safe, nothing is.

/I see what I did there
 
2013-01-28 04:24:30 PM
Eddie Adams from Torrance [TotalFark]

Well, we could educate our citizens better so they could compete for jobs in the new information based economy, but that's socialism.... so, no.
Nice hyperbole, but it's not the "Right" that is in control of public schooling. It is the "Right" that ridicules the leftist continually lowering standards.

Your idiotic talking points only work on the ill informed... or democrats if you prefer.
 
2013-01-28 04:25:14 PM
Did the Obvious tag get replaced by technology?
 
2013-01-28 04:25:25 PM

ph0rk: ajgeek: but we're getting to a point where we are going to have an excess of human labor.

Yep, I've been saying that for over a decade - it is rather obvious. No one want to think about it, though - the usual retort is that we'll "innovate" something else to do - because manual laborers are typically so good at market innovation.


I'd like to think relocalization of farming, but they are really trying hard to remove the human labor from the equation, without thought to "Who will buy our food if no one has a job?".
 
2013-01-28 04:26:21 PM
The guy is 66, he should of retired and let someone else have the cake job. I am actually surprised they still have traditional meter readers. Around here they drive by in a van with a few antennas on the roof and read the whole neighborhood in like 5 minutes. In a few years i expect the meter to beam the data back to the mother-ship power company servers in real time.
 
2013-01-28 04:26:22 PM
Didn't this happen to Charlie's father in "Charlie and the Chocalte Factory"?

He did okay after a machine replaced him. He simply took a job repairing the machines that took his job.
 
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