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2013-01-28 01:50:32 PM
FTFA: David LaMacchia, 20, a junior in electrical engineering and computer science, was charged on April 7 with conspiring to commit wire fraud. The indictment charges that between November 21, 1993, and January 5 of this year, "he operated a computer bulletin board service that permitted users to copy copyrighted business and entertainment software without paying to purchase the software," according to the announcement from the United States attorney for the district of Massachusetts.

Wow! He's been doing this since he was born, the kid is a super genius!
 
2013-01-28 01:59:04 PM
HOW MANY TIMES MUST I biatch ABOUT IT? WINDOWS 95 IS GONNA BE THE DEATH OF MICROSOFT!
 
2013-01-28 02:07:43 PM
I hope he takes it to trial and appeals if he loses.  Precedent needs to be set and it needs to start working through the appeals.  Congress isn't going to address it; they're guzzling from Big Media's cash trough.

Too bad Aaron Swartz was such a pussy.  MLK went to jail.  So have a lot of others.  Swartz could have put on a circus trial and done time as a celebrity, lashing out at the system.  That might have actually changed things.
 
2013-01-28 02:21:28 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Wow! He's been doing this since he was born, the kid is a super genius!


You missed the date on the article?
 
2013-01-28 02:31:14 PM
Maybe we'll get to pop some popcorn and watch a MIT v Anon hackers royal rumble?
 
2013-01-28 02:34:43 PM

Arthur Jumbles: FTFA: David LaMacchia, 20, a junior in electrical engineering and computer science, was charged on April 7 with conspiring to commit wire fraud. The indictment charges that between November 21, 1993, and January 5 of this year, "he operated a computer bulletin board service that permitted users to copy copyrighted business and entertainment software without paying to purchase the software," according to the announcement from the United States attorney for the district of Massachusetts.

Wow! He's been doing this since he was born, the kid is a super genius!


I noticed that. I'm wondering if it's a mistake in the article or in the indictment
 
2013-01-28 02:35:50 PM
Link. This is a 20 year old story.
 
2013-01-28 02:37:53 PM
L.D. Ablo:

Too bad Aaron Swartz was such a pussy.  MLK went to jail.  So have a lot of others.  Swartz could have put on a circus trial and done time as a celebrity, lashing out at the system.  That might have actually changed things.


No, it wouldn't have.

In a system this corrupt and backward, nothing will make a difference.
 
2013-01-28 02:38:51 PM
FYI, Aaron Swartz was not an MIT student.
 
2013-01-28 02:39:35 PM
Wow, guys. It's almost as if someone submitted an older article to give us context on a current event.
 
2013-01-28 02:39:43 PM
huh, a historical article with a headline that references a history of MIT doing something... hrm.
 
2013-01-28 02:43:19 PM
MIT, the Obama Administration, Congress, George Soros, Steve Jobs, the iPad, Alexander Hamilton, and George Washington forced a severely depressed man to commit suicide.
 
2013-01-28 02:43:50 PM
He's been in college for 20 years? He's gonna have a hell of a time paying off those loans.
 
2013-01-28 02:46:07 PM
Kid got off, at least! However, his case gave rise to the NET Act...

United_States_v._LaMacchia

United States v. LaMacchia 871 F.Supp. 535 (1994) was a case decided by the United States District Court for the District of Massachusetts which ruled that, under the copyright and cybercrime laws effective at the time, committing copyright infringement for non-commercial motives could not be prosecuted under criminal copyright law.
The ruling gave rise to what became known as the LaMacchia Loophole which is that criminal charges of fraud or copyright infringement would be dismissed under current legal standards, so long as there was no profit motive involved.[2] The court's ruling explicitly drew attention to the shortcomings of current law that allowed people to facilitate mass copyright infringement while being immune to prosecution under the Copyright Act. The NET Act, passed in 1997, was a direct response to this. The law provides for criminal prosecution of individuals who engage in copyright infringement even when there is no commercial benefit from the infringement.
 
2013-01-28 02:51:28 PM
I'm pretty sure there aren't any public universities that would have done any different.
 
2013-01-28 02:58:06 PM

Arthur Jumbles: FTFA: David LaMacchia, 20, a junior in electrical engineering and computer science, was charged on April 7 with conspiring to commit wire fraud. The indictment charges that between November 21, 1993, and January 5 of this year, "he operated a computer bulletin board service that permitted users to copy copyrighted business and entertainment software without paying to purchase the software," according to the announcement from the United States attorney for the district of Massachusetts.

Wow! He's been doing this since he was born, the kid is a super genius!


bottom of the article:

A version of this article appeared in the April 13, 1994 issue of MIT Tech Talk (Volume 38, Number 29).
 
2013-01-28 03:02:56 PM
old_news_is_so_exciting.jpg
 
Xai
2013-01-28 03:04:52 PM
a person that neither controls nor profits from other people doing a crime is himself committing a crime which carries a sentence of up to 20 years?

America is farked up.
 
2013-01-28 03:09:28 PM
They never did figure out who narc'ed on David LaMacchia.
 
2013-01-28 03:11:00 PM
www.cyberpunkreview.com

"No kidding"
 
2013-01-28 03:11:11 PM

cannotsuggestaname: Arthur Jumbles: FTFA: David LaMacchia, 20, a junior in electrical engineering and computer science, was charged on April 7 with conspiring to commit wire fraud. The indictment charges that between November 21, 1993, and January 5 of this year, "he operated a computer bulletin board service that permitted users to copy copyrighted business and entertainment software without paying to purchase the software," according to the announcement from the United States attorney for the district of Massachusetts.

Wow! He's been doing this since he was born, the kid is a super genius!

bottom of the article:

A version of this article appeared in the April 13, 1994 issue of MIT Tech Talk (Volume 38, Number 29).


Wow, what's next? Subby posting the following?

encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
 
2013-01-28 03:17:17 PM
Good.
 
2013-01-28 03:21:16 PM

L.D. Ablo: Too bad Aaron Swartz was such a pussy.


Good thing we keep minimizing and ridiculing depression so that people like him don't get the help they need then, eh?
 
2013-01-28 03:21:19 PM

Xai: a person that neither controls nor profits from other people doing a crime is himself committing a crime which carries a sentence of up to 20 years?

America is farked up.


I think you're what's farked up.
 
2013-01-28 03:36:10 PM
going through life with little to no morals or boundaries one may just as well become a politician. a lot of people seem to think it's okay to use other people products and works without compensation. there are reasons your Mom made you take back the comic books you stole and fess up to what you did when you were a child. if you expect to get paid at your job you should be able to realize those whose job it is to make movies, music or software also need paychecks to cover their bills.
 
2013-01-28 03:46:23 PM

theresnothinglft: old_news_is_so_exciting.jpg


those that do not learn from the past...
 
2013-01-28 03:50:18 PM
I always thought they sold students TO the FBI and NSA.
 
2013-01-28 04:09:02 PM
I wasn't even alive then. And I'm in college.

I hope I made you feel old.
 
2013-01-28 04:16:46 PM
KrispyKritter
if you expect to get paid at your job you should be able to realize those whose job it is to make movies, music or software also need paychecks to cover their bills.

That is not how the academic journal system works. Articles are typically written by researchers at public (read as: taxpayer funded) universities. The researcher and their university receive no compensation from publishers for having an article published in a journal.

The only people who were deprived of anything by what Swartz did were money-grubbing middle-men, profiteering off taking open information, closing it off, and charging admission.
 
2013-01-28 05:42:02 PM

DammitIForgotMyLogin: Arthur Jumbles: Wow! He's been doing this since he was born, the kid is a super genius!

You missed the date on the article?


Oops! Old news is old....
 
2013-01-28 06:36:02 PM

mrexcess: KrispyKritter
if you expect to get paid at your job you should be able to realize those whose job it is to make movies, music or software also need paychecks to cover their bills.

That is not how the academic journal system works. Articles are typically written by researchers at public (read as: taxpayer funded) universities. The researcher and their university receive no compensation from publishers for having an article published in a journal.

The only people who were deprived of anything by what Swartz did were money-grubbing middle-men, profiteering off taking open information, closing it off, and charging admission.


The journals that review and publish these articles need money to live!

It's not like PubMed is stealing and selling access.
 
2013-01-28 08:48:27 PM

Rockstone: I wasn't even alive then. And I'm in college.

I hope I made you feel old.


Dudebro you play BT? I wish I never sold my minis, I regret that so much. Those had to be some of the best 8-12 hour gaming sprees ever.
 
2013-01-28 11:41:31 PM
With great power, comes great responsibility.
 
2013-01-29 03:06:48 AM
Santayana got really sad reading some of these comments.
 
2013-01-29 07:54:22 AM

KrispyKritter: going through life with little to no morals or boundaries one may just as well become a politician. a lot of people seem to think it's okay to use other people products and works without compensation. there are reasons your Mom made you take back the comic books you stole and fess up to what you did when you were a child. if you expect to get paid at your job you should be able to realize those whose job it is to make movies, music or software also need paychecks to cover their bills.


The Bible doesn't say anything about copying.
 
2013-01-29 08:29:24 AM

neuroflare: Rockstone: I wasn't even alive then. And I'm in college.

I hope I made you feel old.

Dudebro you play BT? I wish I never sold my minis, I regret that so much. Those had to be some of the best 8-12 hour gaming sprees ever.


If I could find someone to play against, I would. unfortunately, very few people play. I dont' own any minis either. I love the lore though.
 
2013-01-29 08:51:22 AM
Um... MIT didn't "sell out" a student. As noted, he wasn't a student. Also, MIT tried to have all charges dropped and wanted the kid to just get a warning. It was the DA who pushed the issue and made things ugly. Something she's not exactly unknown for.

If anything, universities do their best to hush crimes committed both by their students and just on their campuses. That's why there is now the Clery laws.
 
2013-01-29 10:24:06 AM
If he had used the roughly 30,000 Open Source applications available for free, he would have to worry about the Copyright Police.


live and learn i guess.
 
2013-01-29 10:25:52 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Xai: a person that neither controls nor profits from other people doing a crime is himself committing a crime which carries a sentence of up to 20 years?

America is farked up.

I think you're what's farked up.



no, America is Farked up.

you'll figure it out sooner or later.
 
2013-01-29 10:27:34 AM

wildcardjack: I always thought they sold students TO the FBI and NSA.


well, it helps to maximize your fund inflows.
 
2013-01-29 02:21:56 PM

Rockstone: If I could find someone to play against, I would. unfortunately, very few people play. I dont' own any minis either. I love the lore though.


You a Clan or IS fan? I couldn't stand clannies, always felt unbalanced. I still have all of my rulebooks and tech readouts, I had like 30 minis but I couldn't find anyone to play with either, so sold 'em. Nobody ever seems interested in investing time in tabletop strategy gaming.
 
2013-01-29 02:27:07 PM

neuroflare: Rockstone: If I could find someone to play against, I would. unfortunately, very few people play. I dont' own any minis either. I love the lore though.

You a Clan or IS fan? I couldn't stand clannies, always felt unbalanced. I still have all of my rulebooks and tech readouts, I had like 30 minis but I couldn't find anyone to play with either, so sold 'em. Nobody ever seems interested in investing time in tabletop strategy gaming.


InnerSphere. Never played a proper tabletop, though
 
2013-01-29 03:06:58 PM

Arthur Jumbles: FTFA: David LaMacchia, 20, a junior in electrical engineering and computer science, was charged on April 7 with conspiring to commit wire fraud. The indictment charges that between November 21, 1993, and January 5 of this year, "he operated a computer bulletin board service that permitted users to copy copyrighted business and entertainment software without paying to purchase the software," according to the announcement from the United States attorney for the district of Massachusetts.

Wow! He's been doing this since he was born, the kid is a super genius!


Rich idiots cannot grandfather their way into MIT. Only the elite
 
2013-01-29 11:32:28 PM
I never would have guessed that a top engineering school schmoozes to the Federal government. Why would they do that? Funding or something?

/brown-nosers
 
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