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2013-01-28 10:50:31 AM  
The Superbowl  has been pretty dull anyway, so ...
 
2013-01-28 11:09:56 AM  
Finally, Ultimate Frisbee will get the respect it deserves!
 
2013-01-28 11:11:26 AM  
Nah .. every game will just be played like the probowl.
 
2013-01-28 11:48:05 AM  

xynix: Nah .. every game will just be played like the probowl.


Came here to say this.
 
2013-01-28 11:48:52 AM  
I don't think he's wrong - the concussion issue and pending lawsuits will continue to change the game, and nothing lasts forever. Though I doubt the NFL will disappear, I'd imagine that it would assume a far less dominant role in the US sports landscape.
 
2013-01-28 11:48:53 AM  
Roid them up, let them sign waivers and when technically feasible, give them power suits.

Probably have to add something to prevent body parts/equipment from getting thrown up into the crowds, but it's not like there is a shortage of people in the world.

Deathsport Football would be awesome.
 
2013-01-28 11:50:02 AM  
Considering the entire sport is filled with guys on HGH better testing would take a lot of the violence out of the game.
 
2013-01-28 11:52:31 AM  
i43.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-28 11:54:15 AM  
I once had a conversation with Alan Schwarz, the columnist who first broke the CTE findings. At the time he was somewhat confident that the NFL could learn from its mistakes and get safer, but I think he's stepping back from that. I know he stopped covering sports entirely and I think that was one of the reasons why.
 
2013-01-28 12:00:07 PM  
The part that I like is where the players, and only the players, have control over how violent the game is, how hits are made and administered, and the damage that results, yet goons like this are flapping their jaws lamenting the demise of the game that they themselves are wrecking.

My proposal: make them sign a waiver that indicates that they are 100% aware of the potential damage that they will be facing (not that ignorance of such could ever be plausible since they've all been playing the game for 15 years before they ever make the pros), thus indemnifying the league, and let them have at each other. If they want to play like goons and hurt people, they will be treated in kind. Pollard's career under those circumstances might have lasted a month.
 
2013-01-28 12:00:13 PM  

WTF Indeed: Considering the entire sport is filled with guys on HGH better testing would take a lot of the violence out of the game.


I have been saying this for a long time. That and form tackling will go an awfully long way.
 
2013-01-28 12:00:53 PM  
Outlaw helmets. Then we'll see who the good defenders are.
 
2013-01-28 12:01:54 PM  
It had better be around--my kids might get season tickets by then.

/Packers fan
//Put kids on the list when they were born--15 years ago.
 
2013-01-28 12:04:19 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: My proposal: make them sign a waiver that indicates that they are 100% aware of the potential damage that they will be facing (not that ignorance of such could ever be plausible since they've all been playing the game for 15 years before they ever make the pros), thus indemnifying the league, and let them have at each other. I


yeah, I'm sure the agents, coaches and managers will make absolutely certain that the guy who can barely spell his own name understands the long term effects of post concussion syndrome.
 
2013-01-28 12:05:50 PM  
So the Browns only have 30 more chances to win a Super Bowl?
 
2013-01-28 12:06:51 PM  

Frozboz: Outlaw helmets. Then we'll see who the good defenders are.


This.
 
2013-01-28 12:07:11 PM  
I think Pollard is right, but I don't think it will take 30 years. Fifteen is probably a more accurate time frame. It is just not a financially viable business model given the amount of greed involved.

fickenchucker: It had better be around--my kids might get season tickets by then.

/Packers fan
//Put kids on the list when they were born--15 years ago.


That makes you stupid 3x over.
1. Packers fan
2. Had kids
3. Thinks NFL will be around that long
 
2013-01-28 12:16:16 PM  

MikeSass: I think Pollard is right, but I don't think it will take 30 years. Fifteen is probably a more accurate time frame. It is just not a financially viable business model given the amount of greed involved.

fickenchucker: It had better be around--my kids might get season tickets by then.

/Packers fan
//Put kids on the list when they were born--15 years ago.

That makes you stupid 3x over.
1. Packers fan
2. Had kids
3. Thinks NFL will be around that long


Hardly, this is Green Bay we're talking about. People will still pay to get into the parking lot, grill, drink beer, get into the stadium, eat more brats and drink more beer even if there isn't a football season.

Have you ever been to Green Bay in the Winter?

/lives in Wisco.
 
2013-01-28 12:17:15 PM  
Football would be safer without all the pads.

Seriously. Guys are only hitting people as hard as they do because it doesn't hurt to do so.
 
2013-01-28 12:19:18 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: the concussion issue and pending lawsuits will continue to change the game, and nothing lasts forever.



And we both know hearts can change, but it's hard to hold a candle in the cold November rain.
 
2013-01-28 12:20:54 PM  
FTFA: "'Take the pads off' or 'Take the helmets off'"

Is anyone with a lick of sense seriously arguing for taking away pads or helmets? I fully expect the helmet to de drastically redesigned in the next few years, but only message board denizens are arguing for this.
 
2013-01-28 12:21:43 PM  
The NFL? Maybe. But, high school football might be in serious jeopardy very soon. I can see a day when schools can no longer afford insurance, equipment upgrades, or simply can't tolerate any more bad press regarding concussions. It's at that point, many of them might just pull the plug and start a "monkey see/monkey do" wave of imitations resulting in the end of high school football as we know it. Perhaps it will become a "club" or "elite" sport in which parents are willing to fork over huge dollars to let their kids play. But, school sponsored football at the high school level may be a memory in our lifetime.
 
2013-01-28 12:24:47 PM  

UNC_Samurai: FTFA: "'Take the pads off' or 'Take the helmets off'"

Is anyone with a lick of sense seriously arguing for taking away pads or helmets? I fully expect the helmet to de drastically redesigned in the next few years, but only message board denizens are arguing for this.



yeah, the helmet is perhaps the most iconic representation of any team in any major sport. safety aside, they're not going to get rid of perhaps the most marketable item in the NFL. They could go smaller (technology will lead the way) but there's just no way they're etting rid of it.
 
2013-01-28 12:25:02 PM  

UNC_Samurai: FTFA: "'Take the pads off' or 'Take the helmets off'"

Is anyone with a lick of sense seriously arguing for taking away pads or helmets? I fully expect the helmet to de drastically redesigned in the next few years, but only message board denizens are arguing for this.


I think it should be fixed position, locked to the torso pads. With the comparatively limited visibility, it'd be like yakkity sax a while, and folks would be easier to knock over...
 
2013-01-28 12:26:17 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The part that I like is where the players, and only the players, have control over how violent the game is, how hits are made and administered, and the damage that results, yet goons like this are flapping their jaws lamenting the demise of the game that they themselves are wrecking.

My proposal: make them sign a waiver that indicates that they are 100% aware of the potential damage that they will be facing (not that ignorance of such could ever be plausible since they've all been playing the game for 15 years before they ever make the pros), thus indemnifying the league, and let them have at each other. If they want to play like goons and hurt people, they will be treated in kind. Pollard's career under those circumstances might have lasted a month.


The problem is that players like the QB have no real recourse for the hits they take from guys like Pollard.Now, if it was like hockey, it would be a different story. hockey, you hit like Pollard, someone is going to go headhunting right back.
 
2013-01-28 12:26:39 PM  

UNC_Samurai: FTFA: "'Take the pads off' or 'Take the helmets off'"

Is anyone with a lick of sense seriously arguing for taking away pads or helmets? I fully expect the helmet to de drastically redesigned in the next few years, but only message board denizens are arguing for this.


I would be in favor of a complete redesign where everything was super-padded and cushioned both inside and out, and it looked like a bunch of Michelin Men running around out there.
 
2013-01-28 12:30:27 PM  

Publikwerks:
The problem is that players like the QB have no real recourse for the hits they take from guys like Pollard.Now, if it was like hockey, it would be a different story. hockey, you hit like Pollard, someone is going to go headhunting right back.


It's always amusing to see a defensive player get the ball and then slide or jump out of bounds so they don't have to get hit. The guys who don't are generally the DBs used to getting hit on the kick/punter return.
 
2013-01-28 12:30:41 PM  

what_now: Adolf Oliver Nipples: My proposal: make them sign a waiver that indicates that they are 100% aware of the potential damage that they will be facing (not that ignorance of such could ever be plausible since they've all been playing the game for 15 years before they ever make the pros), thus indemnifying the league, and let them have at each other. I

yeah, I'm sure the agents, coaches and managers will make absolutely certain that the guy who can barely spell his own name understands the long term effects of post concussion syndrome.


There is not an idiot in the world that doesn't understand that broken bones, being knocked unconscious, and feeling like they were in a car accident the next day is a good or normal thing. All the waiver would do is make them acknowledge that fact.

Seriously, you cannot possibly believe that football players did not know that they were wrecking themselves. They've known from the beginning. Something happened in the last two decades that allowed people to pretend that they were ignorant of all sorts of things and file patently absurd lawsuits that were somehow successful, but that doesn't mean that they actually were ignorant. Someone having a half-dozen knee surgeries (Joe Namath), losing an entire season due to a hit (Frank Gifford), or becoming permanently paralyzed (Darryl Stingley) offers up vivid examples of what the game does to people that cannot be ignored. Yet there are still players like Pollard crushing people and blaming the league for behaviors they and only they can control.
 
2013-01-28 12:31:31 PM  

Earl Green: The NFL? Maybe. But, high school football might be in serious jeopardy very soon. I can see a day when schools can no longer afford insurance, equipment upgrades, or simply can't tolerate any more bad press regarding concussions. It's at that point


I really don't think its at that point. At least not in any area I'm familiar with. And let's face it. The issue would go over as well as gun safety, only substitute "They're trying to take away our guns" with "they're trying to take away our football." I say keep doing the slow progression of rule adding/changes to prevent head on head collisions and unexpected hits to the legs.

I think the biggest step was to make the NFL admit that those things were bad. Now that they're penalties at the high school level, 5 years from now the new NFL players will be molded by these rules.
 
2013-01-28 12:34:20 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: My proposal: make them sign a waiver that indicates that they are 100% aware of the potential damage that they will be facing (not that ignorance of such could ever be plausible since they've all been playing the game for 15 years before they ever make the pros), thus indemnifying the league, and let them have at each other.


Why? The league already thinks it's indemnified.
 
2013-01-28 12:35:11 PM  
thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com

Droog8912: It's always amusing to see a defensive player get the ball and then slide or jump out of bounds so they don't have to get hit. The guys who don't are generally the DBs used to getting hit on the kick/punter return.



"Coach, I made a business decision."
//Prime's answer to a pissed off coach asking why, in a team film session, why he didn't tackle a breakaway offensive player
 
2013-01-28 12:37:03 PM  

IlGreven: Adolf Oliver Nipples: My proposal: make them sign a waiver that indicates that they are 100% aware of the potential damage that they will be facing (not that ignorance of such could ever be plausible since they've all been playing the game for 15 years before they ever make the pros), thus indemnifying the league, and let them have at each other.

Why? The league already thinks it's indemnified.


To forestall the secondary lawsuits after these are decided.
 
2013-01-28 12:38:35 PM  

MikeSass: fickenchucker: It had better be around--my kids might get season tickets by then.

/Packers fan
//Put kids on the list when they were born--15 years ago.

That makes you stupid 3x over.
1. Packers fan
2. Had kids
3. Thinks NFL will be around that long



How so?
1. I live in Wisconsin. Are you saying I should follow some douche team like the Cowboys?
2. I love my kids and am glad I had them.
3. The NFL will be around, but might finally get rid of the drugs, reduce padding, and teach tackling properly.
 
2013-01-28 12:39:17 PM  

mjohnson71: xynix: Nah .. every game will just be played like the probowl.

Came here to say this.


Cause people would watch that.
 
2013-01-28 12:40:20 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: There is not an idiot in the world that doesn't understand that broken bones, being knocked unconscious, and feeling like they were in a car accident the next day is a good or normal thing. All the waiver would do is make them acknowledge that fact.


No, and in fact the other reason for the waiver is why it would exist: to absolve the NFL of any responsibility of injury. Hell, I don't even like when stores try to absolve themselves of responsibility when their shopping carts gouge a hole in my car. If you're putting together a sport of any kind, you have to assume some responsibility that players come out of it hale and hardy, and be ready to reimburse them if they do not.  Same should be true of all businesses: leave 'em better than you left 'em, or pay them the difference.
 
2013-01-28 12:40:57 PM  

rickythepenguin: [thebiglead.fantasysportsven.netdna-cdn.com image 204x297]

Droog8912: It's always amusing to see a defensive player get the ball and then slide or jump out of bounds so they don't have to get hit. The guys who don't are generally the DBs used to getting hit on the kick/punter return.


"Coach, I made a business decision."
//Prime's answer to a pissed off coach asking why, in a team film session, why he didn't tackle a breakaway offensive player


Ah, old 9-toe. His tackling was so bad he made kickers look like Mike Singletary.
 
2013-01-28 12:41:48 PM  

aaronx: Football would be safer without all the pads.

Seriously. Guys are only hitting people as hard as they do because it doesn't hurt to do so.


The helmet gives a false sense of security. If they went back to leather you'd see a change.
 
2013-01-28 12:41:54 PM  

IlGreven: Adolf Oliver Nipples: There is not an idiot in the world that doesn't understand that broken bones, being knocked unconscious, and feeling like they were in a car accident the next day is a good or normal thing. All the waiver would do is make them acknowledge that fact.

No, and in fact the other reason for the waiver is why it would exist: to absolve the NFL of any responsibility of injury. Hell, I don't even like when stores try to absolve themselves of responsibility when their shopping carts gouge a hole in my car. If you're putting together a sport of any kind, you have to assume some responsibility that players come out of it hale and hardy, and be ready to reimburse them if they do not.  Same should be true of all businesses: leave 'em better than you left 'em, or pay them the difference.


Then the league is dead, because people who make choices no longer bear responsibility for them. May as well shut it down now and save a generation from themselves.
 
2013-01-28 12:43:28 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: what_now: Adolf Oliver Nipples: My proposal: make them sign a waiver that indicates that they are 100% aware of the potential damage that they will be facing (not that ignorance of such could ever be plausible since they've all been playing the game for 15 years before they ever make the pros), thus indemnifying the league, and let them have at each other. I

yeah, I'm sure the agents, coaches and managers will make absolutely certain that the guy who can barely spell his own name understands the long term effects of post concussion syndrome.

There is not an idiot in the world that doesn't understand that broken bones, being knocked unconscious, and feeling like they were in a car accident the next day is a good or normal thing. All the waiver would do is make them acknowledge that fact.

Seriously, you cannot possibly believe that football players did not know that they were wrecking themselves. They've known from the beginning. Something happened in the last two decades that allowed people to pretend that they were ignorant of all sorts of things and file patently absurd lawsuits that were somehow successful, but that doesn't mean that they actually were ignorant. Someone having a half-dozen knee surgeries (Joe Namath), losing an entire season due to a hit (Frank Gifford), or becoming permanently paralyzed (Darryl Stingley) offers up vivid examples of what the game does to people that cannot be ignored. Yet there are still players like Pollard crushing people and blaming the league for behaviors they and only they can control.


Eh, they knew they were signing up for creaky knees, bad backs, maybe some headaches, and the one-in-a-thousand chance of a single life-altering blow. The prevalence of dementia and deep depression brought on by CTE are something they wouldn't have known about without systematic and longitudinal studies, which are just now coming to light.
 
2013-01-28 12:44:00 PM  

bionicjoe: If they went back to leather you'd see a change.



"You're with me, leather!"
 
2013-01-28 12:45:47 PM  
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bionicjoe: If they went back to leather you'd see a change.

 
2013-01-28 12:46:11 PM  

UNC_Samurai: FTFA: "'Take the pads off' or 'Take the helmets off'"

Is anyone with a lick of sense seriously arguing for taking away pads or helmets? I fully expect the helmet to de drastically redesigned in the next few years, but only message board denizens are arguing for this.


Hines Ward

Wall Street Journal

Bleacher Report

So, yes. The thoughts are out there. I agree with them, but who knows if it's possible.
 
2013-01-28 12:47:13 PM  
Get rid of the face-masks.
 
2013-01-28 12:48:04 PM  

This Looks Fun: UNC_Samurai: Wall Street Journal.

Apparently WSJ is banned by Fark, but Google this and there's a good article: "Is It Time to Retire the Football Helmet?"
 
2013-01-28 12:49:48 PM  

aaronx: Football would be safer without all the pads.

Seriously. Guys are only hitting people as hard as they do because it doesn't hurt to do so.


Just like requiring drivers and passengers to wear seatbelts caused everyone to drive recklessly and created a huge moral hazard problem that cost untold lives on the highway, right?

(This is what some people in the 60s and 70s said would happen, srsly)
 
2013-01-28 12:50:02 PM  

bionicjoe: aaronx: Football would be safer without all the pads.

Seriously. Guys are only hitting people as hard as they do because it doesn't hurt to do so.

The helmet gives a false sense of security. If they went back to leather you'd see a change.


No you won't. As long as the goal of the sport is to gain certain yards to get a 1st down there will always be violent hits. On defense it's a lot easier to stop someone short of the 1st down if you unload on them head on without doing a form tackle. A form tackle means that you allow the offensive player to fall forward (because you are putting your head to the side of the thigh/hip and wrap his legs up) and that means he will gain 4-5 feet at every single tackle.

That is if you actually know what form tackling is and not the stuff you see once in a while where a guy picks up the offensive player and dumps him on his back/neck.

Also, as every play is rest with the offense facing the defense square on you do not get the opportunity to do side tackles which allow the best opportunity for form tackles (and you see those mostly when offensive players runs towards the sidelines). A lot of the damage is done at the OL/DL and linebacker level and there's no way to cut down on that.

I played rugby for 15 years and football only for 4 in HS and there's no way I'd allow my son to play football. It's just too dangerous.
 
2013-01-28 12:53:53 PM  
I think removing the helmets would actually increase the injury rate for a while. Maybe in the long run it works out better but you have hundreds of thousands of people playing football who have been taught how to tackle while wearing a helmet. These teachings won't be unlearned immediately. Maybe the kids coming up get taught the proper way to tackle without a helmet, but the guy who's been playing football for 10 years isn't going to just flip a switch and never hurt anyone ever again.
 
2013-01-28 12:58:03 PM  
NFL Uniforms in 2023:

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2013-01-28 12:59:56 PM  

thecpt: Earl Green: The NFL? Maybe. But, high school football might be in serious jeopardy very soon. I can see a day when schools can no longer afford insurance, equipment upgrades, or simply can't tolerate any more bad press regarding concussions. It's at that point

I really don't think its at that point. At least not in any area I'm familiar with. And let's face it. The issue would go over as well as gun safety, only substitute "They're trying to take away our guns" with "they're trying to take away our football." I say keep doing the slow progression of rule adding/changes to prevent head on head collisions and unexpected hits to the legs.

I think the biggest step was to make the NFL admit that those things were bad. Now that they're penalties at the high school level, 5 years from now the new NFL players will be molded by these rules.


What's a logical guy like you doing in a place like this? I agree with your points. Heck, I live in Ohio where h.s. football is huge. I played h.s. football. My kids played/play h.s. football. My dad coached it. It's been a big part of my family's life. But, just like our collective attitude towards things like same sex marriage and cannabis, the mood is swinging towards protecting our precious crotch fruit by avoiding h.s. football. Maybe those are the "rules" that will mold these kids.
 
2013-01-28 01:13:32 PM  
I welcome our new football overlords.

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