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(CBS Las Vegas)   What better way to prove how easy it is to commit voter fraud than to get caught doing it yourself?   (lasvegas.cbslocal.com) divider line 159
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2013-01-28 10:34:43 AM
www.bradblog.com
 
2013-01-28 10:40:08 AM
Miller's proposal is to tap the state Department of Motor Vehicles database to transfer photos of registered voters to county election departments for distribution to precinct workers in electronic poll books.

I'm OK with this as long as it doesn't eliminate same-day registration or keep people without a picture in the database from voting the normal way (i.e. recite your registered address).  And if proponents determine the tax increase that pays for the color printing and IT costs to connect the databases.
 
2013-01-28 11:01:17 AM
Here's the dumbest thing about the dumb thing she did - she voted as herself twice. It didn't matter if she had 20 IDs - she was marked as "voted" after the first time and going back with or without and ID wouldn't really have done the trick.

If she wanted to prove something, she should have tried to vote as someone else.  That would entail finding somebody on the voter rolls who hasn't voted in years, re-registering them at an address where youc an intercept their voter card and then going to vote as that person.  That's how you work the system and it's nearly impossible to catch someone because the only person who can sound the alarm is the person who never votes and had their registration rerouted - do you think they'd notice? Nope.

And yes folks, this happens all the time.  It's how "dead people" vote.
 
2013-01-28 11:04:00 AM

bradkanus: If she wanted to prove something, she should have tried to vote as someone else.


Exactly what makes me think she's full of BS.  Trying to appear "noble" for leniency.

Plus, what if it had worked?  Was she going to approach the election board, etc. and admit she committed a crime?  Doubtful.
 
2013-01-28 11:08:15 AM

bradkanus: And yes folks, this happens all the time.


Because you say so?
 
2013-01-28 11:12:43 AM

Lumpmoose: color printing


Easy there gramps.  Why print anything?  Just have them dial into a BBS with their modem and view the photos in all their SVGA splendor.  You might think that would slow down the voting process, but I'll have you know this laptop is equipped with a 28.8 bps modem.  Pop that AOL disc into the CD-ROM drive and marvel at all the splendor the Information Superhighway has to offer.

/ RISC architecture is going to change everything.
 
2013-01-28 11:13:41 AM
crap, I should have proofread that.  Used the word "splendor" twice.  I need to expand my vocabulary of sarcastic enthusiasm.
 
2013-01-28 11:13:49 AM

bradkanus: That's how you work the system and it's nearly impossible to catch...

this happens all the time.


It's so foolproof, we can't figure out if it happens, ergo how often it happens. Also, it happens all the time.
 
2013-01-28 11:17:52 AM
She voted once Oct. 29 near her Henderson home and was stopped at a second early voting polling place in Las Vegas after shouting to her husband that poll workers hadn't checked her photo ID.
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Miller, who was in Washington, D.C., on Thursday, said in a statement that if Rubin was trying to demonstrate how easy it would be to commit voter fraud, "she clearly failed and proved just the opposite."


I don't know if I'd go that far.  She didn't fail because it wasn't easy.  She failed because she's a dumbass.
 
2013-01-28 11:21:59 AM
cdn.pophangover.com
 
2013-01-28 11:33:50 AM
FTFA: Rubin, a 56-year-old registered Republican

Goddammitsomuch.
 
2013-01-28 11:38:15 AM

serial_crusher: Lumpmoose: color printing

Easy there gramps.  Why print anything?  Just have them dial into a BBS with their modem and view the photos in all their SVGA splendor.  You might think that would slow down the voting process, but I'll have you know this laptop is equipped with a 28.8 bps modem.  Pop that AOL disc into the CD-ROM drive and marvel at all the splendor the Information Superhighway has to offer.

/ RISC architecture is going to change everything.


Yes, and printing B&W costs exactly the same as printing in color.  Just ask the publishing industry.  Or an office.
 
2013-01-28 11:47:24 AM
Isn't the trial pretty much proof that it isn't easy to commit voter fraud?
 
2013-01-28 11:49:50 AM
Just further proving anyone who is a Republican with the last name Rubin is a blithering idiot.
 
2013-01-28 11:53:53 AM
Sex Crimes, Adultery, Voter Fraud, etc........conservatives are obsessed with these crimes because they assume everyone is just like them.
 
2013-01-28 11:55:51 AM

xanadian: FTFA: Rubin, a 56-year-old registered Republican

Goddammitsomuch.


Shake it off....its been a tough few years.
 
2013-01-28 11:57:44 AM

Elandriel: Just further proving anyone who is a Republican with the last name Rubin is a blithering idiot.

 
2013-01-28 11:57:47 AM
DNRTFA: The subject actually committed voter registration fraud, yes?
 
2013-01-28 11:58:30 AM
This is, what, the sixth or seventh publicized example of Republican attempted vote fraud in the past few months?
 
2013-01-28 12:00:28 PM

impaler: bradkanus: That's how you work the system and it's nearly impossible to catch...

this happens all the time.

It's so foolproof, we can't figure out if it happens, ergo how often it happens. Also, it happens all the time.


I heard the Dems shipped like 50,000 black people to Maine to vote, and that's the only reason Obama won that state. 50,000 fake voters and not one of them got caught.
 
2013-01-28 12:04:06 PM
www.esquire.com

/I love that I can forget this guy's name, Google for "Skinny criminal Republican douchebag" and find the right pic.
 
2013-01-28 12:07:53 PM
"If we're showing ID for everything else, why wouldn't we show our ID in order to vote?" she said.

Now, let's apply that same logic, regarding a  constitutional right, and see how that holds up against, say,  gun ownership? If it's expected to require an ID to vote (non-lethal in any environment), why not require ID to buy, sell, trade, etc., firearms of any type (lethal in some instances)?
 
2013-01-28 12:08:53 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: [www.esquire.com image 614x400]

/I love that I can forget this guy's name, Google for "Skinny criminal Republican douchebag" and find the right pic.


Interestingly Rush comes up as the first hit in that GIS, and weirdly an elephant being hung from a crane in 4th.
 
Bf+
2013-01-28 12:11:23 PM
"I'm not politically motivated," Rubin said. "This is a fairness issue."

Bullshiat.
Throw the book at her.
 
2013-01-28 12:17:10 PM

vudutek: "If we're showing ID for everything else, why wouldn't we show our ID in order to vote?" she said.

Now, let's apply that same logic, regarding a  constitutional right, and see how that holds up against, say,  gun ownership? If it's expected to require an ID to vote (non-lethal in any environment), why not require ID to buy, sell, trade, etc., firearms of any type (lethal in some instances)?


So, you're saying it's totally ok to require voter ID?  Because, don't you need ID to buy a gun?  How else are they going to do that background check?
 
2013-01-28 12:21:38 PM

serial_crusher: vudutek: "If we're showing ID for everything else, why wouldn't we show our ID in order to vote?" she said.

Now, let's apply that same logic, regarding a  constitutional right, and see how that holds up against, say,  gun ownership? If it's expected to require an ID to vote (non-lethal in any environment), why not require ID to buy, sell, trade, etc., firearms of any type (lethal in some instances)?

So, you're saying it's totally ok to require voter ID?  Because, don't you need ID to buy a gun?  How else are they going to do that background check?


No, exactly the opposite. Why do people feel that we NEED voter ID, but anything to regulate firearms is a gross violation of the constitution? If anything, firearms, which CAN be lethal should be regulated. Voting, which has never killed anyone, should not.
 
2013-01-28 12:24:23 PM

bradkanus: And yes folks, this happens all the time.


Should be easy enough for you to demonstrate that then.

Unless you harvested thousands of fake ID's with fake addresses and took the time to register all of them, this would not be a worthwhile scheme.
 
2013-01-28 12:27:10 PM

bradkanus: Here's the dumbest thing about the dumb thing she did - she voted as herself twice. It didn't matter if she had 20 IDs - she was marked as "voted" after the first time and going back with or without and ID wouldn't really have done the trick.

If she wanted to prove something, she should have tried to vote as someone else.  That would entail finding somebody on the voter rolls who hasn't voted in years, re-registering them at an address where youc an intercept their voter card and then going to vote as that person.  That's how you work the system and it's nearly impossible to catch someone because the only person who can sound the alarm is the person who never votes and had their registration rerouted - do you think they'd notice? Nope.

And yes folks, this happens all the time.  It's how "dead people" vote.


All this woman proved was that she doesn't have an adequate understanding of voter fraud. By proxy, I assume that *everyone* who claims that voting fraud is a worthy reason to make it more difficult to vote has an equally shiat understanding of the issue.

If you aren't caught, you get to vote twice. So in an election in Las Vegas with a voting population of 890k, you've increased the likelihood that "your candidate" wins by about 1/1million, or 0.00001%

If you *are caught, and you have the most generous plea deal I've ever seen for FEDERAL ELECTION FRAUD, you pay 2,500 + court fees, perform 100 hours of community service, and are forced to attend impulse control counseling. Anyone hear if she lost her job?

This isn't shoplifting. Or drug dealing. There is ABSOLUTELY NO PAYOFF AT ALL for voting fraud performed at an individual basis. And there is almost as little evidence that it happens at all as there is reason to do it.

This is a dumb conversation for dumb people to have.
 
2013-01-28 12:27:45 PM
http://www.fark.com/comments/7415587/Woman-arrested-for-trying-to-vot e -twice-Take-a-guess-which-party-she-belongs-to-with-photo-of-her-Was-t hat-wrong-Should-I-not-have-done-that-face
 
2013-01-28 12:33:24 PM
FTFA: Miller's proposal is to tap the state Department of Motor Vehicles database to transfer photos of registered voters to county election departments for distribution to precinct workers in electronic poll books.

As part of a more comprehensive system with more polling places, and free alternate ID's, I'm fine with this. Especially since in a lot of places people register to vote at their DMV. Its not a bad idea to strengthen the system now instead of waiting until some huge fiasco.
 
2013-01-28 12:34:53 PM

vudutek: Voting, which has never killed anyone


BS.  The election of GWB caused the death of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.
 
2013-01-28 12:40:01 PM

El Pachuco: impaler: bradkanus: That's how you work the system and it's nearly impossible to catch...

this happens all the time.

It's so foolproof, we can't figure out if it happens, ergo how often it happens. Also, it happens all the time.

I heard the Dems shipped like 50,000 black people to Maine to vote, and that's the only reason Obama won that state. 50,000 fake voters and not one of them got caught.


I really hope this was just bad sarcasm.
 
2013-01-28 12:40:54 PM

bmongar: vudutek: Voting, which has never killed anyone

BS.  The election of GWB caused the death of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.


GWB wasn't elected on the premise that he was going to start two wars. As cliche as it sounds, in this instance, 9/11 really did change everything.
 
2013-01-28 12:43:22 PM

vudutek: bmongar: vudutek: Voting, which has never killed anyone

BS.  The election of GWB caused the death of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.

GWB wasn't elected on the premise that he was going to start two wars. As cliche as it sounds, in this instance, 9/11 really did change everything.


Actually he ran on regime change in Iraq by any means necessary.
 
2013-01-28 12:45:13 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: [www.esquire.com image 614x400]

/I love that I can forget this guy's name, Google for "Skinny criminal Republican douchebag" and find the right pic.


James O'Keefe bears a stunning resemblance to Lee Harvey Oswald.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-01-28 12:45:46 PM
I hope that she also loses the right to vote in any future election.
 
2013-01-28 12:46:08 PM

HotWingConspiracy: bradkanus: And yes folks, this happens all the time.

Should be easy enough for you to demonstrate that then.

Unless you harvested thousands of fake ID's with fake addresses and took the time to register all of them, this would not be a worthwhile scheme.


I think you are kind of missing one big part of my post - the scheme I'm talking about takes place where there is no voter ID. all you need to have is a voter card issued by the state and be of the right sex (a man carrying a woman's voter card does draw sufficient suspicion for the election judge to deny the ability to vote) - if you have that card, they can not ask you for any other form of ID.  You don't need fake IDs at all.

Happens all the time.  How do you think dead people vote?  Somebody takes their state issued voter ID card and shows up to the polls exactly in the manner I'm describing.

Does it sway entire elections?  Probably not in very many cases at all.  I'm not claming that it does.  However, it's still against the law and there's a simple way of keeping people from doing it.
 
2013-01-28 12:46:12 PM

bmongar: BS. The election of GWB caused the death of thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of Iraqis.


But didn't eight years of nonstop fodder for political humorists make up for that?

Yeah, you're right. I like to be entertained as much as the next person, but not when it means people dying.
 
2013-01-28 12:46:42 PM

bradkanus: Happens all the time.


Again, because you say so?
 
2013-01-28 12:49:35 PM

bradkanus: I really hope this was just bad sarcasm.


No, that was pretty much the position of the Maine GOP chairman. He was suspicious about all the black people voting in his state, considering he didn't know any black people who lived there. Seriously.
 
2013-01-28 12:53:08 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: bradkanus: Happens all the time.

Again, because you say so?


I suspect 99.99999% of all dead people on voter roles are totally benign. I don't know how many of us kick the bucket each year, but that's got to be a big number. I know when my wife's mother died we didn't go running out to the election board so they could correct their rolls. Dead people that vote are most likely absentee voters that happened to die before the election but after mailing the ballot in.

Can there be nefarious reasons? Sure, but like you I suspect it's so small as to call it non-existent. If someone can prove that it happens enough then we would hear about it. Since neither side is screaming about it when their side loses, it seems like an urban legend.
 
2013-01-28 12:53:57 PM
And she's a Republican. What a shock.
 
2013-01-28 12:55:50 PM
23 million Americans don't have photo ID, and most of them are old, poor, black, or Latino.
 
2013-01-28 12:56:38 PM

bradkanus: However, it's still against the law and there's a simple way of keeping people from doing it.


This scheme also could deny legitimate voters the right to vote. This is why it has been resoundingly rejected in most places.

Unless the state wished to take on the burden of furnishing voter ID's to each and every voter at no cost, then this scheme amounts to a poll tax, which is resoundingly unconstitutional.

I show ID when I buy booze, because this helps prevent underage drinking. Does it prevent it completely? Does it keep underage people from stealing someone's ID and using it to buy booze? Should we switch to DNA samples or fingerprinting at every convenience store, because that would definitely stop more underage people from using fake ID's?

Of course not. The problem is really not widespread enough to worry about, or to go to those kinds of lengths and expense to prevent. We live with just a tiny bit of it occurring, and we prosecute those who are found to abuse the system.
 
2013-01-28 12:58:42 PM

bradkanus: How do you think dead people vote?


This isn't 1960s Chicago. How often do you think dead people vote?
 
2013-01-28 01:02:03 PM

hutchkc: I suspect 99.99999% of all dead people on voter roles are totally benign. I don't know how many of us kick the bucket each year, but that's got to be a big number. I know when my wife's mother died we didn't go running out to the election board so they could correct their rolls.


In most jurisdictions, you wouldn't have to. Old people who work the polls tend to read the obituaries quite a bit, and this is how a large amount of this type of voter fraud is caught. For example, when the jackass douchebag Republican shill pictured above tried to vote pretending to be a German immigrant wearing leiderhosen, the poll worker specifically asked if he was [voter name] Junior, as she was aware that [voter name] Senior had passed away a few months beforehand. Of course, Fox News edited that part from the video when they aired it.

Most people involved in the voting process are pretty honest individuals, even those who are politically active for one side or the other. We simply do not have a rampant issue of voter fraud in this country.
 
2013-01-28 01:03:30 PM

ox45tallboy: bradkanus: However, it's still against the law and there's a simple way of keeping people from doing it.

This scheme also could deny legitimate voters the right to vote. This is why it has been resoundingly rejected in most places.

Unless the state wished to take on the burden of furnishing voter ID's to each and every voter at no cost, then this scheme amounts to a poll tax, which is resoundingly unconstitutional.

I show ID when I buy booze, because this helps prevent underage drinking. Does it prevent it completely? Does it keep underage people from stealing someone's ID and using it to buy booze? Should we switch to DNA samples or fingerprinting at every convenience store, because that would definitely stop more underage people from using fake ID's?

Of course not. The problem is really not widespread enough to worry about, or to go to those kinds of lengths and expense to prevent. We live with just a tiny bit of it occurring, and we prosecute those who are found to abuse the system.


Stop making so much sense!
This is FARK for chrissakes.
 
2013-01-28 01:07:05 PM

cameroncrazy1984: This isn't 1960s Chicago. How often do you think dead people vote?


cache.deadspin.com
"I vote whenever I feel like it, sh*t-for-brains. I don't even care if there's an election. I go to the polls, they give me a ballot, and I vote. And if people want to keep their jobs, they go the way I voted."
 
2013-01-28 01:08:03 PM

beerrun: Stop making so much sense!
This is FARK for chrissakes.


I followed it up with a caption of zombie Al Davis, so there's that.
 
2013-01-28 01:10:03 PM

bradkanus: El Pachuco: impaler: bradkanus: That's how you work the system and it's nearly impossible to catch...

this happens all the time.

It's so foolproof, we can't figure out if it happens, ergo how often it happens. Also, it happens all the time.

I heard the Dems shipped like 50,000 black people to Maine to vote, and that's the only reason Obama won that state. 50,000 fake voters and not one of them got caught.

I really hope this was just bad sarcasm.


It was good sarcasm. You contend, like so many on the right, that vote fraud "happens all the time." That Democrats win elections only because of massive vote fraud.

Well, that's certainly possible, in theory. However, in order to do that, you'd have to mobilize very large groups of people to commit the fraud. You would think that such a large mobilization would be noticed - all the planes, trains, buses and cars. You'd think someone would reveal a copy of one of the emails or letters organizing tens of thousands of people. At least once, right?

Instead, we get single instances of idiots like the one in TFA, or Anne Coulter or Mitt Romney getting caught voting in a state they don't actually live in. So we do get these single-instance reports, but we don't get a peep about a massive coordinated vote fraud campaign? Ever?

Or maybe you want to claim that it's not coordinated - that tens of thousands of people spontaneously all each get the impulse to go vote repeatedly. And yet they don't get caught, unlike the Republican in TFA. And not one of them ever gets remorse and spills the beans, or even brags about it anonymously. Isn't that weird?
 
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