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(Onion AV Club)   Seventeen salvageable, enjoyable flops that came from Hollywood's Winter Graveyard, like Tremors and Office Space   (avclub.com) divider line 74
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2013-01-28 10:49:29 AM
Dark Blue = one of Kurt Russell's best performances.

I also enjoy the love thrown to Army Of Darkness in TFA.
 
2013-01-28 10:51:31 AM
I recently watched The Quick and the Dead, and from around the same period, Unforgiven. At this remove, I have to say, TQatD holds up better. Unforgiven plays as self-indulgent and pointless. Of course, being pointless is part of the point, I suppose- but to make a film about the emptiness of violence by making the film itself empty is not the best choice.

The Quick and the Dead ain't deep, but it's a satisfying 90s Western. But ugh, Sharon Stone's hair. Seriously, what were they thinking?
 
2013-01-28 10:54:36 AM

t3knomanser: I recently watched The Quick and the Dead, and from around the same period, Unforgiven. At this remove, I have to say, TQatD holds up better. Unforgiven plays as self-indulgent and pointless. Of course, being pointless is part of the point, I suppose- but to make a film about the emptiness of violence by making the film itself empty is not the best choice.

The Quick and the Dead ain't deep, but it's a satisfying 90s Western. But ugh, Sharon Stone's hair. Seriously, what were they thinking?


Best of all, for back then Leo dies in it ;)
 
2013-01-28 10:55:08 AM

t3knomanser: I recently watched The Quick and the Dead, and from around the same period, Unforgiven. At this remove, I have to say, TQatD holds up better. Unforgiven plays as self-indulgent and pointless. Of course, being pointless is part of the point, I suppose- but to make a film about the emptiness of violence by making the film itself empty is not the best choice.

The Quick and the Dead ain't deep, but it's a satisfying 90s Western. But ugh, Sharon Stone's hair. Seriously, what were they thinking?


Unforgiven is one of my favorite movies and I remeber Quick and the Dead being a cheesy piece of shiat. I guess that makes us enemies.
 
2013-01-28 10:56:10 AM
Quick and the Dead in the list? Very nice. Bonus points because Sharon Stone looks hawt in it.
Youth in Revolt is hilarious.
 
2013-01-28 11:00:33 AM

t3knomanser: I recently watched The Quick and the Dead, and from around the same period, Unforgiven. At this remove, I have to say, TQatD holds up better. Unforgiven plays as self-indulgent and pointless. Of course, being pointless is part of the point, I suppose- but to make a film about the emptiness of violence by making the film itself empty is not the best choice.

The Quick and the Dead ain't deep, but it's a satisfying 90s Western. But ugh, Sharon Stone's hair. Seriously, what were they thinking?


I wouldn't call it pointless, I'd call it a multiple character study in a hyper-realistic setting. I liked it, but that's me.
 
2013-01-28 11:00:33 AM

t3knomanser: I recently watched The Quick and the Dead, and from around the same period, Unforgiven. At this remove, I have to say, TQatD holds up better. Unforgiven plays as self-indulgent and pointless. Of course, being pointless is part of the point, I suppose- but to make a film about the emptiness of violence by making the film itself empty is not the best choice.

The Quick and the Dead ain't deep, but it's a satisfying 90s Western. But ugh, Sharon Stone's hair. Seriously, what were they thinking?


The entire 90s can be summed up as 'hair/clothes, wtf were they thinking?'

It wasn't as horrible as the 80s, but damned close.
 
2013-01-28 11:04:23 AM
Being a Beavis and Butt-head fan in high school, I actually watched Office Space in the theater on its opening weekend. It was weird seeing this little movie I'd watched and then written off as a flop come out of nowhere a few years later and have a huge following once it hit video.
 
2013-01-28 11:05:32 AM
TQ&tD is one of my favorite movies. If it's on TV, I have no choice but to sit and watch it, even if the house is on fire.
 
2013-01-28 11:20:56 AM
eh, Be Kind Rewind had a good premise, but the end result wasn't that great. Wanderlust had its moments, but wasn't that great despite its very good cast.
 
2013-01-28 11:28:09 AM
Not sure how this happened, but let me be the first to say: almost every film on that list sucked. Of course, this is an A.V. Club list, so that's no surprise.
 
2013-01-28 11:37:46 AM
I was with Running Scared right up until it got to the silly subplot with the kiddie diddlers. It just didn't gel with the rest of the film and felt more like a screenwriter watched the news one day, saw a story about victimized children and then shoe-horned his vengeance fantasy into the script he was writing.
 
2013-01-28 11:41:36 AM

Lord_Dubu: I was with Running Scared right up until it got to the silly subplot with the kiddie diddlers. It just didn't gel with the rest of the film and felt more like a screenwriter watched the news one day, saw a story about victimized children and then shoe-horned his vengeance fantasy into the script he was writing.


That was my favorite part of the entire film.
 
2013-01-28 11:48:19 AM

Solon Isonomia: , I'd call it a multiple character study in a hyper-realistic setting


The problem is that none of the characters get particularly developed, largely because the plot is so utterly pointless. The biggest issue is that the center of the conflict- the injured prostitute- doesn't really participate in anything that happens. She doesn't get her first line of dialogue until halfway through the film, and then it's only to offer herself sexually to Eastwood's character. Everything feels forced, as if the characters do what they do because the script calls for it, not because they're personally involved.

On the other hand, Hackman obviously enjoys every moment the camera is on him. He plays a glorious antagonist.

There are a lot of individual pieces in the film that are good, but I found the whole was less than the sum of its parts.

browntimmy: Quick and the Dead being a cheesy piece of shiat


TQatD is cheesy. There's nothing wrong with a little cheese, though. It certainly isn't a deep film, nor does it pretend to be. It is, however, an extremely fun film, well assembled. Aside from some costuming gripes and that goddamn crash-zoom Raimi was playing with for closeups. Ugh. Most of the camera work was good, but he slammed into those and it got grating.
 
2013-01-28 11:49:14 AM
I still watch Tremors about once a year. I also watch Trucks about once a year. It's fun - don't judge me.
 
2013-01-28 11:53:12 AM

JohnBigBootay: I still watch Tremors about once a year. I also watch Trucks about once a year. It's fun - don't judge me.


I've yet to see Trucks. I love Maximum Overdrive, though. You can tell just how coked out of his mind King was while directing it. I feel like if you take out the ridiculousness and the soundtrack, it wouldn't be that great of a flick. Is Trucks worth checking out?
 
2013-01-28 11:53:26 AM
I love Miracle. I love Kurt Russell in Miracle. I love everything about it.
 
2013-01-28 11:59:19 AM
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2013-01-28 12:04:40 PM

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MEEVIL!

Half man... half weevil... ALL EEVIL!

"It will boll you over!" -- Daily Beetle
"If you don't cotton to horror films, best stay away!" -- Thoraxville Gazette
"I give it an A-phid!" -- Roger Beebert
 
2013-01-28 12:07:34 PM

NeoCortex42: JohnBigBootay: I still watch Tremors about once a year. I also watch Trucks about once a year. It's fun - don't judge me.

I've yet to see Trucks. I love Maximum Overdrive, though. You can tell just how coked out of his mind King was while directing it. I feel like if you take out the ridiculousness and the soundtrack, it wouldn't be that great of a flick. Is Trucks worth checking out?


I watched Trucks once...it just wasn't nearly as fun as Maximum Overdrive, and I got bored of it really quickly. Maximum Overdrive is...well, it's so stupid it's good. Trucks is too serious about itself.

I also enjoy Tremors and Tremors 2. I wasn't a fan of 3 and 4 or the tv series, but 1 and 2 are good fun, especially if you like Fred Ward (and I do...he'll always be Remo Williams to me).
 
2013-01-28 12:23:51 PM

cgraves67: TQ&tD is one of my favorite movies. If it's on TV, I have no choice but to sit and watch it, even if the house is on fire.


I think it distills the western down to the core everyone wants to see: endless showdowns at high noon and a villain that chews more scenery than the homestead act provided for
 
2013-01-28 12:25:45 PM
Boiler Room never really got it's due...it's an excellent movie.

Haywire was excellent for what it was...an action thriller...and I liked Gina Carano in the film.

Office Space is now a classic...but like most people, I didn't see it in the theatre.

Miracle - I enjoyed the film, but I'm old enough to have remembered watching the 1980 team beat USSR.

Quick and the Dead - I kinda like this movie...mostly because Gene Hackman is a very bad guy (worse than Little Bill in Unforgiven).
 
2013-01-28 12:32:13 PM

movieman_1979: Dark Blue = one of Kurt Russell's best performances.

I also enjoy the love thrown to Army Of Darkness in TFA.


Dark Blue is underrated. If it wasn't for Speedman's acting it would have been even better.

I genrally James Ellroy movies, hell I even liked Street Kings.
 
2013-01-28 12:34:15 PM

t3knomanser: Solon Isonomia: , I'd call it a multiple character study in a hyper-realistic setting

The problem is that none of the characters get particularly developed, largely because the plot is so utterly pointless. The biggest issue is that the center of the conflict- the injured prostitute- doesn't really participate in anything that happens. She doesn't get her first line of dialogue until halfway through the film, and then it's only to offer herself sexually to Eastwood's character. Everything feels forced, as if the characters do what they do because the script calls for it, not because they're personally involved.

On the other hand, Hackman obviously enjoys every moment the camera is on him. He plays a glorious antagonist.

There are a lot of individual pieces in the film that are good, but I found the whole was less than the sum of its parts.

browntimmy: Quick and the Dead being a cheesy piece of shiat

TQatD is cheesy. There's nothing wrong with a little cheese, though. It certainly isn't a deep film, nor does it pretend to be. It is, however, an extremely fun film, well assembled. Aside from some costuming gripes and that goddamn crash-zoom Raimi was playing with for closeups. Ugh. Most of the camera work was good, but he slammed into those and it got grating.


It's called a snap zoom. And when rami uses it, it's brilliant.
 
2013-01-28 12:46:15 PM

browntimmy: Unforgiven is one of my favorite movies and I remeber Quick and the Dead being a cheesy piece of shiat. I guess that makes us enemies.


I enjoyed both, but for different reasons. I can watch QatD any time and still enjoy it, while Unforgiven now feels overlong and only a few parts of it are still enjoyable. The entire Ned Logan storyline just doesn't work anymore. Munny doesn't develop, but still does an outstanding job of filling in the gray areas of a sociopathic killer that was also a man. The Schofield Kid's subplot and development still works fine.

However, I still enjoy QatD. The characters are comic-book stylized and everything happens the way that it should. I enjoyed it in the theater and I enjoy watching it today,
 
2013-01-28 12:51:28 PM

Dr. Whoof: NeoCortex42: JohnBigBootay: I still watch Tremors about once a year. I also watch Trucks about once a year. It's fun - don't judge me.

I've yet to see Trucks. I love Maximum Overdrive, though. You can tell just how coked out of his mind King was while directing it. I feel like if you take out the ridiculousness and the soundtrack, it wouldn't be that great of a flick. Is Trucks worth checking out?

I watched Trucks once...it just wasn't nearly as fun as Maximum Overdrive, and I got bored of it really quickly. Maximum Overdrive is...well, it's so stupid it's good. Trucks is too serious about itself.

I also enjoy Tremors and Tremors 2. I wasn't a fan of 3 and 4 or the tv series, but 1 and 2 are good fun, especially if you like Fred Ward (and I do...he'll always be Remo Williams to me).


Maximum Overdrive has what I think is my favorite of King's cameos:
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2013-01-28 12:52:10 PM
I was onboard until they got to Monkey Bone. Wow, just an awful movie. Cabin Boy was pretty bad too.....
 
2013-01-28 12:55:45 PM

Dr. Whoof: I also enjoy Tremors and Tremors 2. I wasn't a fan of 3 and 4 or the tv series, but 1 and 2 are good fun, especially if you like Fred Ward (and I do...he'll always be Remo Williams to me).


Yeah, this. Tremors/Tremors 2 are one of my guilty pleasures. Back when I still had cable TV, I used to watch these whenever they came on. I never thought of them as good, but always thoroughly enjoyed them as silly fun. Never bothered with 3+.
 
2013-01-28 12:57:25 PM
Monkeybone, really?

REALLY, reallY?
 
2013-01-28 12:58:01 PM

slayer199: Gene Hackman is a very bad guy (worse than Little Bill in Unforgiven).


That's because Little Bill isn't a bad guy. He's just a man doing his job in the best way he sees possible. I'm sure Big Whiskey loved him.

CSB: Although some say the film doesn't hold up, Eastwood was nominated for an Academy Award for his portrayal of Bill Munny.  He lost to Al Pachino in "Scent of a Woman"...talk about not holding up.
 
2013-01-28 01:03:42 PM

Madbassist1: That's because Little Bill isn't a bad guy. He's just a man doing his job in the best way he sees possible. I'm sure Big Whiskey loved him.


There weren't any good or bad guys in Unforgiven except the guys who cut up the hooker. I think it holds up quite well. In fact, I think it's the best western ever. Silverado is my favorite but Unforgiven is the best.
 
2013-01-28 01:05:12 PM

squegeebooo: It's called a snap zoom. And when rami uses it, it's brilliant.


That's the word I was looking for. And it can be- I love Raimi's schlocky directing style. When he does the first-day montage in TQatD, it's great. The problem with the snap-zoom is that he overuses it too much in rapid succession. It stops being purposefully schlocky and starts turning into something lazy.
 
2013-01-28 01:10:23 PM

NeoCortex42: Maximum Overdrive has what I think is my favorite of King's cameos:
4.bp.blogspot.com


HA! I remember that scene.

"You are an asshole.....
asshole.....
asshole.....
asshole.....
asshole.....
asshole.....
asshole....."
 
2013-01-28 01:14:05 PM

Mugato: There weren't any good or bad guys in Unforgiven except the guys who cut up the hooker.


No, there weren't any good guys in the film, except perhaps for the sidekick of the guy who cut up. the hooker. He tried to take on some of his friend's guilt, he tried to make amends above and beyond what was required of him, and he was one of the few characters in the film to ever express any kind of remorse.
 
2013-01-28 01:14:05 PM
Office Space just didn't get a wide release. I'm sure they more than made up for it on video and all the merchandise.
 
2013-01-28 01:24:33 PM

Mugato: Madbassist1: That's because Little Bill isn't a bad guy. He's just a man doing his job in the best way he sees possible. I'm sure Big Whiskey loved him.

There weren't any good or bad guys in Unforgiven except the guys who cut up the hooker. I think it holds up quite well. In fact, I think it's the best western ever. Silverado is my favorite but Unforgiven is the best.


LOL I respect you, but you are incorrect on both counts.

Here is my favorite:

www.imfdb.org

And this is the best.

www.drroyspencer.com
 
2013-01-28 01:29:46 PM

Madbassist1: LOL I respect you, but you are incorrect on both counts.

Here is my favorite:


Fair enough. I'm not even that familiar with the older westerns but Unforgiven seemed more "realistic", which sounds stupid because I wasn't there but the moral ambiguity of all the characters seemed more real. And Silverado was just fun. The guy did the screenplay for Raiders and Empire, ffs. I'd throw Tombstone in there too because of Val Kilmer's performance. Again, I haven't even seen most of the older westerns, I'm just going by what I've seen,
 
2013-01-28 01:34:48 PM

Mugato: Madbassist1: LOL I respect you, but you are incorrect on both counts.

Here is my favorite:

Fair enough. I'm not even that familiar with the older westerns but Unforgiven seemed more "realistic", which sounds stupid because I wasn't there but the moral ambiguity of all the characters seemed more real. And Silverado was just fun. The guy did the screenplay for Raiders and Empire, ffs. I'd throw Tombstone in there too because of Val Kilmer's performance. Again, I haven't even seen most of the older westerns, I'm just going by what I've seen,


I was just given ya a hard time. Silverado is an excellent Western with the same 'gritty, realistic' kind of style as Unforgiven, but much more of an action yarn.

"Outlaw Josey Wales" is certainly worth a rental if you've never seen it. "The Good the Bad and The Ugly", you need to see the full uncut version to truly appreciate it.
 
2013-01-28 01:37:18 PM

Madbassist1: That's because Little Bill isn't a bad guy. He's just a man doing his job in the best way he sees possible. I'm sure Big Whiskey loved him.


I disagree.  The main difference between Little Bill and William Munny at the time of the events is that Little Bill has a badge.  He's no more moral than Munny at that point.
 
2013-01-28 01:43:04 PM

Madbassist1: Silverado is an excellent Western with the same 'gritty, realistic' kind of style as Unforgiven


Um... no. Silverado is a fantastic western, but it is neither "gritty" nor "realistic". There are points where its tongue is so far in its cheek that it's in danger of breaking the skin.

Also, if we're talking about great, classic westerns, where's the love for High Noon? Such a classic.

And sort of a western: Bad Day at Black Rock is awesome.
 
2013-01-28 01:43:19 PM
Army of Darkness and Office Space are my favorites on that list...the rest is kind of "meh" for me. But yeah, Hollywood has a bad habit of dumping all of their unwanted projects in the theaters this time of year. It's a shame, too, since there's really nothing better to do than go to a movie when it's cold and dreary outside.
 
2013-01-28 01:44:16 PM
Army Of Darkness

Damn Skippy!

IIRC "Deep Rising" & "Pitch Black" were a winter releases and they were fun for what they were.
 
2013-01-28 01:48:08 PM

t3knomanser: Madbassist1: Silverado is an excellent Western with the same 'gritty, realistic' kind of style as Unforgiven

Um... no. Silverado is a fantastic western, but it is neither "gritty" nor "realistic". There are points where its tongue is so far in its cheek that it's in danger of breaking the skin.

Also, if we're talking about great, classic westerns, where's the love for High Noon? Such a classic.

And sort of a western: Bad Day at Black Rock is awesome


shiat. You're right, got my movies mixed up. I was actually talking about Open Range

Apologies.
 
2013-01-28 01:50:38 PM
Never heard of Matinee. Now it's on my to-do list.

Thanks.
 
2013-01-28 01:53:31 PM
18) Dark City was released in February 1998
 
2013-01-28 01:54:57 PM

bborchar: Army of Darkness and Office Space are my favorites on that list...the rest is kind of "meh" for me. But yeah, Hollywood has a bad habit of dumping all of their unwanted projects in the theaters this time of year. It's a shame, too, since there's really nothing better to do than go to a movie when it's cold and dreary outside.


Studios are going to eventually learn that you don't have to open all your big blockbusters in the summer (and a couple in December). That worked when there were like three big summer movies released each year. Now there are around two a week between May and July. Movies that would  otherwise have done well get buried. The Hunger Games came out in April and stayed at #1 for like a month because it had no competition (except for John Carter).
 
2013-01-28 02:01:43 PM

t3knomanser: I recently watched The Quick and the Dead, and from around the same period, Unforgiven. At this remove, I have to say, TQatD holds up better. Unforgiven plays as self-indulgent and pointless. Of course, being pointless is part of the point, I suppose- but to make a film about the emptiness of violence by making the film itself empty is not the best choice.

The Quick and the Dead ain't deep, but it's a satisfying 90s Western. But ugh, Sharon Stone's hair. Seriously, what were they thinking?


Crack is whack, yo. Stop smoking it.
 
2013-01-28 02:09:57 PM

Snapper Carr: 18) Dark City was released in February 1998


I havent seen that in years. Must watch it ASAP.
 
2013-01-28 02:12:22 PM

NeoCortex42: I've yet to see Trucks. I love Maximum Overdrive, though.


I don't know what it is, but I actually preferred Trucks to Max Overdrive. Maybe it's the Timothy Busfield. Still though, kinda cool to see the same movie made twice at the same time. They're both just good silly fun.
 
2013-01-28 02:26:20 PM
Super Troopers didn't make the list, but I remember seeing that and being pleasantly surprised during dumping season back in '01 or '02.
 
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