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(Vulture)   Steven Soderbergh endorses Fancy Feast. "When I open the cans for my cats, my mouth waters. You could serve the stuff on a cracker"   (vulture.com) divider line 62
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2013-01-28 09:23:07 AM
that was a great interview. the bit about clooney was hilarious.
 
2013-01-28 09:25:47 AM
Cracker?  That stuff is great straight from the can.
 
2013-01-28 09:59:48 AM
This conversation has been condensed and edited from two interviews conducted on January 9 and 11.

Still tl;dr
 
2013-01-28 10:06:22 AM
What brand are we talking here?
Fancy Feast. It comes in individual little trays that peel open. I think they're even called appetizers. This is the cat equivalent of eating at Nobu every night. So that's three things we lead the world in. Pretty good, right? America, fark yeah!


True dat.  Those things are pure meat.  No additives or fillers.  Before she passed, Cydney's favorite was the Tender Tongol Tuna.
 
2013-01-28 10:10:44 AM
They could call it Kramden's Delicious Marshall!
 
2013-01-28 10:20:27 AM
*ding ding ding*
 
2013-01-28 10:23:31 AM
But could you serve it on a honky?
 
2013-01-28 10:32:42 AM

knbber2: Cracker?  That stuff is great straight from the can.


I'll give you 20 cans for all of your alien weaponry.
 
2013-01-28 11:21:13 AM
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2013-01-28 11:23:42 AM
Some prefer Friskies....

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Fancy Feast is too expensive for every day meals.
 
2013-01-28 11:32:49 AM
Meh, my friend's grandmother loves Alpo.
 
2013-01-28 11:41:30 AM
Excellent and entertaining interview.  I wish Mr. Soderbergh well in his movie retirement.
 
2013-01-28 12:42:20 PM
I believe his last name is spelled Sodaburk.
 
2013-01-28 12:54:54 PM
The ads for their new breakfast cat food annoy me. They're hyping fresh veggies in their cat food. Cats can't digest vegetables.
 
2013-01-28 01:08:41 PM
TMI
 
2013-01-28 01:36:37 PM

Fish in a Barrel: The ads for their new breakfast cat food annoy me. They're hyping fresh veggies in their cat food. Cats can't digest vegetables.


Maybe that's why it's 40% ash.
 
2013-01-28 01:45:56 PM

Fish in a Barrel: The ads for their new breakfast cat food annoy me. They're hyping fresh veggies in their cat food. Cats can't digest vegetables.


I noticed there is kind of a weird market segment of pet owners that wants to buy stuff with organic blueberries and starchy crap. Unlike dogs, cats are pure carnivores.
 
2013-01-28 01:48:45 PM
FTA: "In Side Effects, Catherine Zeta-Jones has a sex scene with Rooney Mara"

I'm ok with this
 
2013-01-28 02:18:40 PM
on a soda cracker?
 
2013-01-28 02:25:43 PM

Fish in a Barrel: The ads for their new breakfast cat food annoy me. They're hyping fresh veggies in their cat food. Cats can't digest vegetables.


This is incorrect.

Cats are obligate carnivores. This means they are required to eat meat, because they can't synthesize the amino acid Taurine from other foods in the way that humans or dogs can.

However, they can and do digest plant material,

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I bought my cats some ready-to-grow cat grass just before christmas. It grew a lovely six inches tall, and looked wonderful. They ignored it until it was brown and wilted. Now they gnaw on it all the time.

And canned catfood tastes smells just like liverwurst.
 
2013-01-28 04:00:25 PM
I buy Fancy Feast for my cat and now she doesn't like much else. It's 10 cans for $7, so it's not very expensive either.

Regardless, I don't think I would ever eat it. I guess it wouldn't be bad for you, but every time I pop a can open, the smell is pretty pungent.
 
2013-01-28 04:26:58 PM

Diogenes: What brand are we talking here?
Fancy Feast. It comes in individual little trays that peel open. I think they're even called appetizers. This is the cat equivalent of eating at Nobu every night. So that's three things we lead the world in. Pretty good, right? America, fark yeah!

True dat.  Those things are pure meat.  No additives or fillers.  Before she passed, Cydney's favorite was the Tender Tongol Tuna.


He's talking about the FF Appetizer trays. Now, those are about $1.25 around here. And yes, they actually do look like human food. My cats love it but it's a treat. They get the regular canned FF daily (about 55 cents a can).

/just 2 cats
//working up to crazy cat lady status
 
2013-01-28 04:31:11 PM

moviemarketing: Fish in a Barrel: The ads for their new breakfast cat food annoy me. They're hyping fresh veggies in their cat food. Cats can't digest vegetables.

I noticed there is kind of a weird market segment of pet owners that wants to buy stuff with organic blueberries and starchy crap. Unlike dogs, cats are pure carnivores.



I know, I just don't get it. Well, OK, I *do* get it, but I try to pretend I don't. Since people buy the food, not cats, it's marketing designed to catch people too dumb to know that cats lost the ability to digest plant matter millions of years ago with a mutation in their common ancestor. They also don't have the taste receptors for tasting sweet flavors for the same reason.

So any time I see an ad for cat food advertising their "fresh garden greens" I facepalm. I think they can extract some nutrients from certain specific types of grains, but that's sort of incidental. Cats just don't use plant matter in general, adding it to food doesn't do them a bit of good whatsoever.
 
2013-01-28 04:31:12 PM
Goooood cracker!


www.chachingonashoestring.com
 
2013-01-28 04:39:23 PM

PirateKing: Fish in a Barrel: The ads for their new breakfast cat food annoy me. They're hyping fresh veggies in their cat food. Cats can't digest vegetables.

This is incorrect.

Cats are obligate carnivores. This means they are required to eat meat, because they can't synthesize the amino acid Taurine from other foods in the way that humans or dogs can.

However, they can and do digest plant material,

TMYK.jpg

I bought my cats some ready-to-grow cat grass just before christmas. It grew a lovely six inches tall, and looked wonderful. They ignored it until it was brown and wilted. Now they gnaw on it all the time.

And canned catfood tastes smells just like liverwurst.


Actually, science has shown that cats can't digest carbohydrates because they lack the enzyme that breaks it down. They rarely eat vegetable matter in the wild, and when they do it's already been pre-digested in the stomach of the prey they just killed. So you really SHOULD avoid feeding your cat veggies. And cats eat grass when their tummy is upset because it makes them vomit (which makes them feel better). Really, it's like oil of ipecac for cats.

Cats should eat meat, skin, organs, and bones. That's it.

/going to be putting my cats on a home-made raw diet soon because one of them has a food allergy
 
2013-01-28 04:45:46 PM

mongbiohazard: moviemarketing: Fish in a Barrel: The ads for their new breakfast cat food annoy me. They're hyping fresh veggies in their cat food. Cats can't digest vegetables.

I noticed there is kind of a weird market segment of pet owners that wants to buy stuff with organic blueberries and starchy crap. Unlike dogs, cats are pure carnivores.


I know, I just don't get it. Well, OK, I *do* get it, but I try to pretend I don't. Since people buy the food, not cats, it's marketing designed to catch people too dumb to know that cats lost the ability to digest plant matter millions of years ago with a mutation in their common ancestor. They also don't have the taste receptors for tasting sweet flavors for the same reason.

So any time I see an ad for cat food advertising their "fresh garden greens" I facepalm. I think they can extract some nutrients from certain specific types of grains, but that's sort of incidental. Cats just don't use plant matter in general, adding it to food doesn't do them a bit of good whatsoever.


And it's actually kind of bad for them. But I'd rather people fed their cats canned food with organic blueberries than any dry cat food. That shiat's the cheetos and potato chips of the cat world. I spend about $150/month feeding my two cats all-meat canned cat food. Weruva, Soulistic, and Nature's Variety.
 
2013-01-28 04:49:35 PM
All I know is that it's only a matter of time before I get so damn lazy that I just share my dog's Beneful meals. Those things look and smell damn good. His favorite is the Savory Beef Stew.
 
2013-01-28 05:45:25 PM

Arachnophobe: All I know is that it's only a matter of time before I get so damn lazy that I just share my dog's Beneful meals. Those things look and smell damn good. His favorite is the Savory Beef Stew.


I feel that way about some of my cat's cat food. Last night we had smoked salmon with spreadable cheese on rosemary crackers for dinner. There's no reason why I couldn't just put my cat's food on that cracker instead. In the zombie apocalypse, I'd totally do it (if I wasn't a zombie, which statistically I would be).
 
2013-01-28 05:53:50 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Arachnophobe: All I know is that it's only a matter of time before I get so damn lazy that I just share my dog's Beneful meals. Those things look and smell damn good. His favorite is the Savory Beef Stew.

I feel that way about some of my cat's cat food. Last night we had smoked salmon with spreadable cheese on rosemary crackers for dinner. There's no reason why I couldn't just put my cat's food on that cracker instead. In the zombie apocalypse, I'd totally do it (if I wasn't a zombie, which statistically I would be).


I pamper the heck out of my pets. I've got a dog now and I get him these fancy organic, gluten-free, blah, blah, blah treats...... I've gotten more than one that smell EXACTLY like Slim Jims. A couple even looked like Slim Jims, and one even seemed like a Slim Jim... but BETTER. I've been pretty tempted just to see if that's also how they taste too.
 
2013-01-28 05:55:10 PM

Arachnophobe: All I know is that it's only a matter of time before I get so damn lazy that I just share my dog's Beneful meals. Those things look and smell damn good. His favorite is the Savory Beef Stew.


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2013-01-28 05:55:24 PM

mongbiohazard: Mike Chewbacca: Arachnophobe: All I know is that it's only a matter of time before I get so damn lazy that I just share my dog's Beneful meals. Those things look and smell damn good. His favorite is the Savory Beef Stew.

I feel that way about some of my cat's cat food. Last night we had smoked salmon with spreadable cheese on rosemary crackers for dinner. There's no reason why I couldn't just put my cat's food on that cracker instead. In the zombie apocalypse, I'd totally do it (if I wasn't a zombie, which statistically I would be).

I pamper the heck out of my pets. I've got a dog now and I get him these fancy organic, gluten-free, blah, blah, blah treats...... I've gotten more than one that smell EXACTLY like Slim Jims. A couple even looked like Slim Jims, and one even seemed like a Slim Jim... but BETTER. I've been pretty tempted just to see if that's also how they taste too.


The sad thing is, I think that's more a condemnation of Slim Jim's than a compliment to your dog's food.
 
2013-01-28 05:57:07 PM
Behind the Candelabra stars Michael Douglas as Liberace and Matt Damon as his lover.

He's farking Matt Damon!
 
2013-01-28 05:57:52 PM
it wasn't cat food but tosh fed his staff dog food...

Link
 
2013-01-28 05:58:36 PM
I feel bad about my cat's diet. He's extremely low-energy, so I have to feed him low-calorie food or he gains a ton of weight. He gets 1/2 cup of Purina OM per day. That's it. According to their feeding chart, he should be dead. Instead, he's still 16+ lbs. I have no idea how he's maintaining that weight, and he's clearly unhappy about the paltry amount of food in his bowl. :-\
 
2013-01-28 06:04:37 PM

Fish in a Barrel: I feel bad about my cat's diet. He's extremely low-energy, so I have to feed him low-calorie food or he gains a ton of weight. He gets 1/2 cup of Purina OM per day. That's it. According to their feeding chart, he should be dead. Instead, he's still 16+ lbs. I have no idea how he's maintaining that weight, and he's clearly unhappy about the paltry amount of food in his bowl. :-\


Switch over to canned grain- and vegetable-free cat food. He'll drop weight like crazy and you can feed him a (5.5oz) can or even 1.5 cans per day. Weruva, Soulistic, and Nature's Variety are good choices. Be warned: they are expensive as hell.

Cats evolved in the desert, and so they are supposed to get most of their water from the foods they eat. When you feed them dry cat food, they NEVER get enough water, even if you put a bowl out for them. They are literally chronically dehydrated. Also, cats cannot process vegetables or grains (because they evolved in the desert!), so when you feed them those foods, it just comes out as poop.
 
2013-01-28 06:17:28 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Be warned: they are expensive as hell.


Well, the OM isn't exactly cheap, so if I can get him something that will control his weight while also making him happy, it's worth it.
 
2013-01-28 06:31:00 PM

Mike Chewbacca: mongbiohazard: Mike Chewbacca: Arachnophobe: All I know is that it's only a matter of time before I get so damn lazy that I just share my dog's Beneful meals. Those things look and smell damn good. His favorite is the Savory Beef Stew.

I feel that way about some of my cat's cat food. Last night we had smoked salmon with spreadable cheese on rosemary crackers for dinner. There's no reason why I couldn't just put my cat's food on that cracker instead. In the zombie apocalypse, I'd totally do it (if I wasn't a zombie, which statistically I would be).

I pamper the heck out of my pets. I've got a dog now and I get him these fancy organic, gluten-free, blah, blah, blah treats...... I've gotten more than one that smell EXACTLY like Slim Jims. A couple even looked like Slim Jims, and one even seemed like a Slim Jim... but BETTER. I've been pretty tempted just to see if that's also how they taste too.

The sad thing is, I think that's more a condemnation of Slim Jim's than a compliment to your dog's food.



Oh don't think that exact thought hadn't crossed my mind. I was reading the ingredient list and thinking, "These seem like they're HEALTHIER than Slim Jims. I think I need to stop eating Slim Jims."
 
2013-01-28 06:32:54 PM

Wayne 985: I buy Fancy Feast for my cat and now she doesn't like much else. It's 10 cans for $7, so it's not very expensive either.
Regardless, I don't think I would ever eat it. I guess it wouldn't be bad for you, but every time I pop a can open, the smell is pretty pungent.


you have to mix it with noodles, dummy. They soak up the cat food taste, and all you're left with is delicious meaty flavor.
 
2013-01-28 06:48:24 PM

Fish in a Barrel: Mike Chewbacca: Be warned: they are expensive as hell.

Well, the OM isn't exactly cheap, so if I can get him something that will control his weight while also making him happy, it's worth it.


You can go to Petco.com and set up repeat deliveries for pet food, and if you spend more than $49 a pop. I order the Soulistic cat food from them for my two cats once a month, and I get free shipping. It's still expensive, but I also don't have to drive anywhere, and I know I'm feeding my guys good cat food.

Of course, I just fell into a bit of money, so I'm going to be buying all the stuff to make my own cat food. One of my guys has a food allergy, and we can't figure out to what. So it's off to make raw food for them since we'll be able to control everything they eat.
 
2013-01-28 07:10:56 PM
Wonder if he fed it to sasha grey. That biatch will eat anything.
 
2013-01-28 07:21:35 PM
funny how so many don't know much about cat's diets.

Yes, they eat plants... Cat grass for example.. Helps their digestion.

And as wild cats eat their prey, they eat the stomach content... Filled with whatever the animal ate, which are plants.
 
2013-01-28 07:30:07 PM

imfallen_angel: funny how so many don't know much about cat's diets.

Yes, they eat plants... Cat grass for example.. Helps their digestion.

And as wild cats eat their prey, they eat the stomach content... Filled with whatever the animal ate, which are plants.


No, grass DOESN'T help their digestion, it helps them puke up indigestible solids in the stomachs. And the food in the stomachs of prey are already partially digested, and include the enzymes that cats don't have that help digest plant matter.

Funny how so many don't know much about cat's [SIC] diets.
 
2013-01-28 08:19:06 PM

Mike Chewbacca: imfallen_angel: funny how so many don't know much about cat's diets.

Yes, they eat plants... Cat grass for example.. Helps their digestion.

And as wild cats eat their prey, they eat the stomach content... Filled with whatever the animal ate, which are plants.

No, grass DOESN'T help their digestion, it helps them puke up indigestible solids in the stomachs. And the food in the stomachs of prey are already partially digested, and include the enzymes that cats don't have that help digest plant matter.

Funny how so many don't know much about cat's [SIC] diets.



All correct, you beat me to it. Cats are obligate carnivores - by definition an obligate carnivore cannot digest plant matter. It is physically impossible for them to digest plants.

They may be seen eating some plants as a pet when they are bored, but they cannot digest it and it will pass right through them. Sometimes they'll even poison themselves that way as since they can't actually taste the plant material very well (no taste receptors for sugars) they may not have an idea that what they're eating is toxic. The cats eat grass is to make themselves throw up the crap they've consumed that they can't digest - like hair, nails, etc....

Some people see fluffy chewing on one of their indoor plants and assume they can eat it. This is patently mistaken.
 
2013-01-28 08:41:50 PM
idk -- our farm cats that lived outdoors and wouldnt be seen for weeks at a time would eat grass all the time.

I dont think something like spinach is going to do much more than provide slight roughage like bits or undigested hair and crud would provide. My cats poops seem healthier when we buy more expensive food and he seems to like it more... idk -- we have this dry food company called Acana and they make dry pet food right outside of edmonton with local products. Good company.
 
2013-01-28 08:48:09 PM

mikefinch: idk -- our farm cats that lived outdoors and wouldnt be seen for weeks at a time would eat grass all the time.

I dont think something like spinach is going to do much more than provide slight roughage like bits or undigested hair and crud would provide. My cats poops seem healthier when we buy more expensive food and he seems to like it more... idk -- we have this dry food company called Acana and they make dry pet food right outside of edmonton with local products. Good company.


Let me repost what I said earlier: Cats evolved in the desert, and so they are supposed to get most of their water from the foods they eat. When you feed them dry cat food, they NEVER get enough water, even if you put a bowl out for them. They are literally chronically dehydrated. Also, cats cannot process vegetables or grains (because they evolved in the desert!), so when you feed them those foods, it just comes out as poop.
 
2013-01-28 09:49:40 PM

mikefinch: idk -- our farm cats that lived outdoors and wouldnt be seen for weeks at a time would eat grass all the time.



I'm sure they did... and then, like cats do, they puked it out later, undigested.
 
2013-01-28 10:21:00 PM

mikefinch: idk -- our farm cats that lived outdoors and wouldnt be seen for weeks at a time would eat grass all the time.

I dont think something like spinach is going to do much more than provide slight roughage like bits or undigested hair and crud would provide. My cats poops seem healthier when we buy more expensive food and he seems to like it more... idk -- we have this dry food company called Acana and they make dry pet food right outside of edmonton with local products. Good company.


Oh come on, don't let the reality spoil the internet experts' bubble..

It's not like the cat food industry knows anything... heck, I have to get new cats at least once a week due to them dying after a few days of the store bought food.

I'm sure that the cat food industry would consult these experts our cats would live forever.
 
2013-01-29 12:11:03 AM

imfallen_angel: mikefinch: idk -- our farm cats that lived outdoors and wouldnt be seen for weeks at a time would eat grass all the time.

I dont think something like spinach is going to do much more than provide slight roughage like bits or undigested hair and crud would provide. My cats poops seem healthier when we buy more expensive food and he seems to like it more... idk -- we have this dry food company called Acana and they make dry pet food right outside of edmonton with local products. Good company.

Oh come on, don't let the reality spoil the internet experts' bubble..

It's not like the cat food industry knows anything... heck, I have to get new cats at least once a week due to them dying after a few days of the store bought food.

I'm sure that the cat food industry would consult these experts our cats would live forever.


Cat food is based on dog food. Except dogs are omnivores and cats are obligate carnivores. So no, pet food manufacturers often DON'T know anything about proper cat nutrition. Certainly the grocery store brands like Purina and Friskies use lots of grins (usually corn) as fillers. Cats can't process corn, or other grains, and they can't process vegetables.

The author of catinfo.org is a vet specializing in cat nutrition. She even worked at a pet food company. Standard cat foods have been linked to feline obesity, hyperthyroidism, diabetes, kidney disease, and poor oral health. Read that site and become educated. And afterwards, if you continue to feed your cat dry food and/or grain a veggie filled canned food, then you're a bad pet owner.
 
2013-01-29 08:45:16 AM

Mike Chewbacca: Cat food is based on dog food. Except dogs are omnivores and cats are obligate carnivores. So no, pet food manufacturers often DON'T know anything about proper cat nutrition. Certainly the grocery store brands like Purina and Friskies use lots of grins (usually corn) as fillers. Cats can't process corn, or other grains, and they can't process vegetables.

The author of catinfo.org is a vet specializing in cat nutrition. She even worked at a pet food company. Standard cat foods have been linked to feline obesity, hyperthyroidism, diabetes, kidney disease, and poor oral health. Read that site and become educated. And afterwards, if you continue to feed your cat dry food and/or grain a veggie filled canned food, then you're a bad pet owner.



So you read one internet web site and you've got a doctorate and know everything...

Cool, wish I could do that....

I guess that we all should start buying or raising mice and put them in a blender at this point.

Going with the way you say it, the food industry must have cat farms and get kick-backs from all the recycling of cats (get some action for all cats sold) so they have to have an incentive to kill as many off as possible.

God know how cats in the wild live to 50 years without a single disease and/or such.

I guess to save our cats, we should simply set it free... they'll eat better and live better.
 
2013-01-29 08:57:20 AM

imfallen_angel: Mike Chewbacca: Cat food is based on dog food. Except dogs are omnivores and cats are obligate carnivores. So no, pet food manufacturers often DON'T know anything about proper cat nutrition. Certainly the grocery store brands like Purina and Friskies use lots of grins (usually corn) as fillers. Cats can't process corn, or other grains, and they can't process vegetables.

The author of catinfo.org is a vet specializing in cat nutrition. She even worked at a pet food company. Standard cat foods have been linked to feline obesity, hyperthyroidism, diabetes, kidney disease, and poor oral health. Read that site and become educated. And afterwards, if you continue to feed your cat dry food and/or grain a veggie filled canned food, then you're a bad pet owner.


So you read one internet web site and you've got a doctorate and know everything...

Cool, wish I could do that....

I guess that we all should start buying or raising mice and put them in a blender at this point.

Going with the way you say it, the food industry must have cat farms and get kick-backs from all the recycling of cats (get some action for all cats sold) so they have to have an incentive to kill as many off as possible.

God know how cats in the wild live to 50 years without a single disease and/or such.

I guess to save our cats, we should simply set it free... they'll eat better and live better.


You're just being a disingenuous and contrarian piece of shiat.

I don't get how so many of you in this thread are so painfully uneducated when it comes to basic things like what to feed your farking pet.

Cats can NOT digest plant matter. Even when fed Catnip, it passes through them undigested.
Cats can NOT taste "sweet", when they eat ice cream it's because of the enormous amount of fat, when they eat watermelon, it's because you feed them dry food and they're dehydrated.

Period. There is no argument. That is fact.
 
2013-01-29 09:30:44 AM

Meethos: Cats can NOT digest plant matter. Even when fed Catnip, it passes through them undigested.
Cats can NOT taste "sweet", when they eat ice cream it's because of the enormous amount of fat, when they eat watermelon, it's because you feed them dry food and they're dehydrated.

Period. There is no argument. That is fact.


Where's the argument?

Seriously... point it out.
 
2013-01-29 09:36:40 AM

imfallen_angel: Meethos: Cats can NOT digest plant matter. Even when fed Catnip, it passes through them undigested.
Cats can NOT taste "sweet", when they eat ice cream it's because of the enormous amount of fat, when they eat watermelon, it's because you feed them dry food and they're dehydrated.

Period. There is no argument. That is fact.

Where's the argument?

Seriously... point it out.


God damn it you're a troll. You got me, point to you.
 
2013-01-29 09:50:10 AM
Neat. Break me off a piece of that
 
2013-01-29 09:59:11 AM

Meethos: imfallen_angel: Meethos: Cats can NOT digest plant matter. Even when fed Catnip, it passes through them undigested.
Cats can NOT taste "sweet", when they eat ice cream it's because of the enormous amount of fat, when they eat watermelon, it's because you feed them dry food and they're dehydrated.

Period. There is no argument. That is fact.

Where's the argument?

Seriously... point it out.

God damn it you're a troll. You got me, point to you.


Nah.. not a troll...

I stated a simple fact, but if some of you guys didn't read it right and some needed to justify or prove themselves to be smarter, that' not my problem..

It's called crow, so like it served hot, other like it cold.

I never said anything about them digesting plants, I stated that they will eat it (voluntarily), and it does (some plants) eat them digest.

Not a simple wrong thing.

If anything, between the cat hacking up fur balls, I'd rather have them pass them. With three cats, they are messy enough already.

What's funny are those that argue about the whole "cats come from the desert"... that's like saying that humans are still monkeys and should be living in caves.
 
2013-01-29 10:00:03 AM
eat them digest =HELP them digest...

/derp
 
2013-01-29 10:21:00 AM

imfallen_angel: Meethos: imfallen_angel: Meethos: Cats can NOT digest plant matter. Even when fed Catnip, it passes through them undigested.
Cats can NOT taste "sweet", when they eat ice cream it's because of the enormous amount of fat, when they eat watermelon, it's because you feed them dry food and they're dehydrated.

Period. There is no argument. That is fact.

Where's the argument?

Seriously... point it out.

God damn it you're a troll. You got me, point to you.

Nah.. not a troll...

I stated a simple fact, but if some of you guys didn't read it right and some needed to justify or prove themselves to be smarter, that' not my problem..

It's called crow, so like it served hot, other like it cold.

I never said anything about them digesting plants, I stated that they will eat it (voluntarily), and it does (some plants) eat them digest.

Not a simple wrong thing.

If anything, between the cat hacking up fur balls, I'd rather have them pass them. With three cats, they are messy enough already.

What's funny are those that argue about the whole "cats come from the desert"... that's like saying that humans are still monkeys and should be living in caves.


Here's the thing, you're still wrong, eating plant never helps them digest anything. Ever.

Also, the "humans should live in caves" is not an appropriate analogy, we learned to build tents out of mammoth ass. Cats have not evolved the ability to digest plant matter.
 
2013-01-29 10:46:48 AM

imfallen_angel: Mike Chewbacca: Cat food is based on dog food. Except dogs are omnivores and cats are obligate carnivores. So no, pet food manufacturers often DON'T know anything about proper cat nutrition. Certainly the grocery store brands like Purina and Friskies use lots of grins (usually corn) as fillers. Cats can't process corn, or other grains, and they can't process vegetables.

The author of catinfo.org is a vet specializing in cat nutrition. She even worked at a pet food company. Standard cat foods have been linked to feline obesity, hyperthyroidism, diabetes, kidney disease, and poor oral health. Read that site and become educated. And afterwards, if you continue to feed your cat dry food and/or grain a veggie filled canned food, then you're a bad pet owner.


So you read one internet web site and you've got a doctorate and know everything...

Cool, wish I could do that....

I guess that we all should start buying or raising mice and put them in a blender at this point.

Going with the way you say it, the food industry must have cat farms and get kick-backs from all the recycling of cats (get some action for all cats sold) so they have to have an incentive to kill as many off as possible.

God know how cats in the wild live to 50 years without a single disease and/or such.

I guess to save our cats, we should simply set it free... they'll eat better and live better.


One website, written by a veterinarian who specializes in feline nutrition and even used to work for pet food companies, so she knows what awful stuff goes into commercial cat food.
But don't take my word for it! Do your own farking google search. All that info, right at your fingertips, you have but to just look.

If you actually cared aboit your cats, you'd read Your Cat, also written by a (different) vet. Strangely enough, that vet ALSO says that kibble is very bad for cats, and that cats literally cannot digest carbohydrates or plant matter. It's almost like scientists know more than you do. That's actually the book where I learned that because cats are desert dwellers, they eat most of their water. Just because cats have been domesticated for 5000 years doesn't mean we undid a million years of evolution.

/not really responding to imfallen_angel, but rather the other readers who may think he actually knows anything at all about cat nutrition.
 
2013-01-29 11:51:46 AM

Meethos: Here's the thing, you're still wrong, eating plant never helps them digest anything. Ever.


Funny that you must insist to continue the crow feast....

Keeping it simple: It's called fibers, just like humans and all animals on the planet... fibers assists in digestion.. digested or not, it makes things go through the bowels.

For carnivores, it's just not as it does for humans, but as a "lubricant" (for lack of better description) it just helps pass things through their digestive system, hairballs and such being #1 of course.

http://www.aps.uoguelph.ca/~gking/Ag_2350/nutrition.htm
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=veggie-cat-food
http://animal.discovery.com/pets/5-human-foods-cats-can-eat.htm
http://pets.thenest.com/feeding-vegetables-cats-4252.html

I think that you have just a too hard up about it... it's not about "nutritional" value as much as you appear to perceive.... at most, any vitamins, protein, etc. from plants, are barely absorbed, and prepared foods are processed so that they do get some nutrition out of it via added supplements.

So unless you plan to get your cat on a complete live rodent, bird and reptile diet, there's only so much available out there, and the reality is that while cat food manufacturers do use fillers, they can't really have the "perfect" food for any animals...

Heck most of the meat in animal food (cat/dogs/etc.) are from meats that the animals would never eat in the wild anyways, so it's still wouldn't be "right".

But the reality is that cat's lifespan for an indoor cat is statistically double if not triple of that if it would be in the wild. They'd die a lot more and faster than anything that these prepared pellets or canned food does to their health.
 
2013-01-29 11:53:18 AM

Mike Chewbacca: One website, written by a veterinarian who specializes in feline nutrition and even used to work for pet food companies, so she knows what awful stuff goes into commercial cat food.
But don't take my word for it! Do your own farking google search. All that info, right at your fingertips, you have but to just look.

If you actually cared aboit your cats, you'd read Your Cat, also written by a (different) vet. Strangely enough, that vet ALSO says that kibble is very bad for cats, and that cats literally cannot digest carbohydrates or plant matter. It's almost like scientists know more than you do. That's actually the book where I learned that because cats are desert dwellers, they eat most of their water. Just because cats have been domesticated for 5000 years doesn't mean we undid a million years of evolution.

/not really responding to imfallen_angel, but rather the other readers who may think he actually knows anything at all about cat nutrition.


ok... now you're just embarrassing yourself.

/have a cookie
 
2013-01-29 12:11:57 PM

imfallen_angel: Keeping it simple: It's called fibers, just like humans and all animals on the planet... fibers assists in digestion.. digested or not, it makes things go through the bowels.


No. Cats cannot transform grass or blueberries or carrots into fiber. They lack the enzyme that does this.

So unless you plan to get your cat on a complete live rodent, bird and reptile diet, there's only so much available out there, and the reality is that while cat food manufacturers do use fillers, they can't really have the "perfect" food for any animals...

There is a difference between healthy manufactured food and the feline equivalent of beer and pretzels. All kibble is bad for cats because it's virtually always stuffed with carbs that cats can't process, and it's always lacking the water that cats need when they eat (that whole "cats are from the desert" thing that you so quickly dismissed). Most canned commercial food is also stuffed with carbs, vegetable protein (which cats can't process easily), vegetable fiber, and animal byproducts (skin and ears and scraps).

Heck most of the meat in animal food (cat/dogs/etc.) are from meats that the animals would never eat in the wild anyways, so it's still wouldn't be "right".

That's exactly our point. It's like feeding your kid chicken mcnuggets, hotdogs, and Slim Jim's and thinking that's a healthy way to get protein. And then handing your kid a bag of potato chips for their vegetable, a fruit roll up for fruit, and a couple pieces of Wonder Bread for their grain.

But the reality is that cat's lifespan for an indoor cat is statistically double if not triple of that if it would be in the wild. They'd die a lot more and faster than anything that these prepared pellets or canned food does to their health.

And that's because the indoors are safer than the outdoors. Meanwhile, obesity, kidney disease, diabetes, and hyperthyroidism have all been linked directly to crappy manufactured cat food loaded with carbs and animal byproducts you wouldn't eat in a zombie apocalypse.
 
2013-01-29 12:24:36 PM

Mike Chewbacca: No. Cats cannot transform grass or blueberries or carrots into fiber. They lack the enzyme that does this.


As I stated: Keeping it simple, but I guess you need to justify yourself again..

Anyways.. this pissing contest you guys made out of this has grown tiresome....

Cats (and dogs) will eat plants if they feel like it... doesn't mean that they'll digest it as non-carnivores will, but they still do it for a bunch of reasons...

Going with all the changes I've seen in selection in cat food, I'd say that manufacturers are working towards better approaches and ingredients as they know that they can't do "perfect food", but as the alternatives are live rodents/birds/insects/lizards, etc. which I don't think that most people want anything that's harder than a scoop from a bag and the opening of a can, well, there's not much alternatives, is there?

I honestly don't even know what the hell you're arguing about at this point except for compensating for something else.

So keep whining about it, and go on trying to show your amazing intellect which comes from reading a book and a website, or go ahead and provide a solution to this catastrophic situation of cat food.
 
2013-01-29 08:12:34 PM

Meethos: Cats can NOT digest plant matter. Even when fed Catnip, it passes through them undigested.
Cats can NOT taste "sweet", when they eat ice cream it's because of the enormous amount of fat, when they eat watermelon, it's because you feed them dry food and they're dehydrated.

Period. There is no argument. That is fact.


Humans dont digest cellulose and vegetables are full of it. Just because part of the food goes undigested doesn't mean its not useful for some reason.

We have a food maze with some dry cat food in it so if he gets hungry he can go paw out a piece or two -- the dry food keeps him from developing bad food habits and getting fat. If we just feed him wet food at a set time he gorges himself and gets whiny and rude. He has water glasses every corner of the house... I think hes alright.

I ran out of cat food one night and tried looking up a homemade replacement so i wouldn't have to go make a 45 min trip to the store. 90% of the answers were just people calling me a bad owner for letting him run out of food.

God forbid he gets a lump of raw ground beef mixed with raw eggs. What rotten food for a cat... Like the elderly and children, pets are not made out of glass and are capable of coping to an extent with lifes ups and downs.
 
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