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(Vulture)   Steven Soderbergh endorses Fancy Feast. "When I open the cans for my cats, my mouth waters. You could serve the stuff on a cracker"   (vulture.com) divider line 62
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2013-01-29 09:30:44 AM

Meethos: Cats can NOT digest plant matter. Even when fed Catnip, it passes through them undigested.
Cats can NOT taste "sweet", when they eat ice cream it's because of the enormous amount of fat, when they eat watermelon, it's because you feed them dry food and they're dehydrated.

Period. There is no argument. That is fact.


Where's the argument?

Seriously... point it out.
 
2013-01-29 09:36:40 AM

imfallen_angel: Meethos: Cats can NOT digest plant matter. Even when fed Catnip, it passes through them undigested.
Cats can NOT taste "sweet", when they eat ice cream it's because of the enormous amount of fat, when they eat watermelon, it's because you feed them dry food and they're dehydrated.

Period. There is no argument. That is fact.

Where's the argument?

Seriously... point it out.


God damn it you're a troll. You got me, point to you.
 
2013-01-29 09:50:10 AM
Neat. Break me off a piece of that
 
2013-01-29 09:59:11 AM

Meethos: imfallen_angel: Meethos: Cats can NOT digest plant matter. Even when fed Catnip, it passes through them undigested.
Cats can NOT taste "sweet", when they eat ice cream it's because of the enormous amount of fat, when they eat watermelon, it's because you feed them dry food and they're dehydrated.

Period. There is no argument. That is fact.

Where's the argument?

Seriously... point it out.

God damn it you're a troll. You got me, point to you.


Nah.. not a troll...

I stated a simple fact, but if some of you guys didn't read it right and some needed to justify or prove themselves to be smarter, that' not my problem..

It's called crow, so like it served hot, other like it cold.

I never said anything about them digesting plants, I stated that they will eat it (voluntarily), and it does (some plants) eat them digest.

Not a simple wrong thing.

If anything, between the cat hacking up fur balls, I'd rather have them pass them. With three cats, they are messy enough already.

What's funny are those that argue about the whole "cats come from the desert"... that's like saying that humans are still monkeys and should be living in caves.
 
2013-01-29 10:00:03 AM
eat them digest =HELP them digest...

/derp
 
2013-01-29 10:21:00 AM

imfallen_angel: Meethos: imfallen_angel: Meethos: Cats can NOT digest plant matter. Even when fed Catnip, it passes through them undigested.
Cats can NOT taste "sweet", when they eat ice cream it's because of the enormous amount of fat, when they eat watermelon, it's because you feed them dry food and they're dehydrated.

Period. There is no argument. That is fact.

Where's the argument?

Seriously... point it out.

God damn it you're a troll. You got me, point to you.

Nah.. not a troll...

I stated a simple fact, but if some of you guys didn't read it right and some needed to justify or prove themselves to be smarter, that' not my problem..

It's called crow, so like it served hot, other like it cold.

I never said anything about them digesting plants, I stated that they will eat it (voluntarily), and it does (some plants) eat them digest.

Not a simple wrong thing.

If anything, between the cat hacking up fur balls, I'd rather have them pass them. With three cats, they are messy enough already.

What's funny are those that argue about the whole "cats come from the desert"... that's like saying that humans are still monkeys and should be living in caves.


Here's the thing, you're still wrong, eating plant never helps them digest anything. Ever.

Also, the "humans should live in caves" is not an appropriate analogy, we learned to build tents out of mammoth ass. Cats have not evolved the ability to digest plant matter.
 
2013-01-29 10:46:48 AM

imfallen_angel: Mike Chewbacca: Cat food is based on dog food. Except dogs are omnivores and cats are obligate carnivores. So no, pet food manufacturers often DON'T know anything about proper cat nutrition. Certainly the grocery store brands like Purina and Friskies use lots of grins (usually corn) as fillers. Cats can't process corn, or other grains, and they can't process vegetables.

The author of catinfo.org is a vet specializing in cat nutrition. She even worked at a pet food company. Standard cat foods have been linked to feline obesity, hyperthyroidism, diabetes, kidney disease, and poor oral health. Read that site and become educated. And afterwards, if you continue to feed your cat dry food and/or grain a veggie filled canned food, then you're a bad pet owner.


So you read one internet web site and you've got a doctorate and know everything...

Cool, wish I could do that....

I guess that we all should start buying or raising mice and put them in a blender at this point.

Going with the way you say it, the food industry must have cat farms and get kick-backs from all the recycling of cats (get some action for all cats sold) so they have to have an incentive to kill as many off as possible.

God know how cats in the wild live to 50 years without a single disease and/or such.

I guess to save our cats, we should simply set it free... they'll eat better and live better.


One website, written by a veterinarian who specializes in feline nutrition and even used to work for pet food companies, so she knows what awful stuff goes into commercial cat food.
But don't take my word for it! Do your own farking google search. All that info, right at your fingertips, you have but to just look.

If you actually cared aboit your cats, you'd read Your Cat, also written by a (different) vet. Strangely enough, that vet ALSO says that kibble is very bad for cats, and that cats literally cannot digest carbohydrates or plant matter. It's almost like scientists know more than you do. That's actually the book where I learned that because cats are desert dwellers, they eat most of their water. Just because cats have been domesticated for 5000 years doesn't mean we undid a million years of evolution.

/not really responding to imfallen_angel, but rather the other readers who may think he actually knows anything at all about cat nutrition.
 
2013-01-29 11:51:46 AM

Meethos: Here's the thing, you're still wrong, eating plant never helps them digest anything. Ever.


Funny that you must insist to continue the crow feast....

Keeping it simple: It's called fibers, just like humans and all animals on the planet... fibers assists in digestion.. digested or not, it makes things go through the bowels.

For carnivores, it's just not as it does for humans, but as a "lubricant" (for lack of better description) it just helps pass things through their digestive system, hairballs and such being #1 of course.

http://www.aps.uoguelph.ca/~gking/Ag_2350/nutrition.htm
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=veggie-cat-food
http://animal.discovery.com/pets/5-human-foods-cats-can-eat.htm
http://pets.thenest.com/feeding-vegetables-cats-4252.html

I think that you have just a too hard up about it... it's not about "nutritional" value as much as you appear to perceive.... at most, any vitamins, protein, etc. from plants, are barely absorbed, and prepared foods are processed so that they do get some nutrition out of it via added supplements.

So unless you plan to get your cat on a complete live rodent, bird and reptile diet, there's only so much available out there, and the reality is that while cat food manufacturers do use fillers, they can't really have the "perfect" food for any animals...

Heck most of the meat in animal food (cat/dogs/etc.) are from meats that the animals would never eat in the wild anyways, so it's still wouldn't be "right".

But the reality is that cat's lifespan for an indoor cat is statistically double if not triple of that if it would be in the wild. They'd die a lot more and faster than anything that these prepared pellets or canned food does to their health.
 
2013-01-29 11:53:18 AM

Mike Chewbacca: One website, written by a veterinarian who specializes in feline nutrition and even used to work for pet food companies, so she knows what awful stuff goes into commercial cat food.
But don't take my word for it! Do your own farking google search. All that info, right at your fingertips, you have but to just look.

If you actually cared aboit your cats, you'd read Your Cat, also written by a (different) vet. Strangely enough, that vet ALSO says that kibble is very bad for cats, and that cats literally cannot digest carbohydrates or plant matter. It's almost like scientists know more than you do. That's actually the book where I learned that because cats are desert dwellers, they eat most of their water. Just because cats have been domesticated for 5000 years doesn't mean we undid a million years of evolution.

/not really responding to imfallen_angel, but rather the other readers who may think he actually knows anything at all about cat nutrition.


ok... now you're just embarrassing yourself.

/have a cookie
 
2013-01-29 12:11:57 PM

imfallen_angel: Keeping it simple: It's called fibers, just like humans and all animals on the planet... fibers assists in digestion.. digested or not, it makes things go through the bowels.


No. Cats cannot transform grass or blueberries or carrots into fiber. They lack the enzyme that does this.

So unless you plan to get your cat on a complete live rodent, bird and reptile diet, there's only so much available out there, and the reality is that while cat food manufacturers do use fillers, they can't really have the "perfect" food for any animals...

There is a difference between healthy manufactured food and the feline equivalent of beer and pretzels. All kibble is bad for cats because it's virtually always stuffed with carbs that cats can't process, and it's always lacking the water that cats need when they eat (that whole "cats are from the desert" thing that you so quickly dismissed). Most canned commercial food is also stuffed with carbs, vegetable protein (which cats can't process easily), vegetable fiber, and animal byproducts (skin and ears and scraps).

Heck most of the meat in animal food (cat/dogs/etc.) are from meats that the animals would never eat in the wild anyways, so it's still wouldn't be "right".

That's exactly our point. It's like feeding your kid chicken mcnuggets, hotdogs, and Slim Jim's and thinking that's a healthy way to get protein. And then handing your kid a bag of potato chips for their vegetable, a fruit roll up for fruit, and a couple pieces of Wonder Bread for their grain.

But the reality is that cat's lifespan for an indoor cat is statistically double if not triple of that if it would be in the wild. They'd die a lot more and faster than anything that these prepared pellets or canned food does to their health.

And that's because the indoors are safer than the outdoors. Meanwhile, obesity, kidney disease, diabetes, and hyperthyroidism have all been linked directly to crappy manufactured cat food loaded with carbs and animal byproducts you wouldn't eat in a zombie apocalypse.
 
2013-01-29 12:24:36 PM

Mike Chewbacca: No. Cats cannot transform grass or blueberries or carrots into fiber. They lack the enzyme that does this.


As I stated: Keeping it simple, but I guess you need to justify yourself again..

Anyways.. this pissing contest you guys made out of this has grown tiresome....

Cats (and dogs) will eat plants if they feel like it... doesn't mean that they'll digest it as non-carnivores will, but they still do it for a bunch of reasons...

Going with all the changes I've seen in selection in cat food, I'd say that manufacturers are working towards better approaches and ingredients as they know that they can't do "perfect food", but as the alternatives are live rodents/birds/insects/lizards, etc. which I don't think that most people want anything that's harder than a scoop from a bag and the opening of a can, well, there's not much alternatives, is there?

I honestly don't even know what the hell you're arguing about at this point except for compensating for something else.

So keep whining about it, and go on trying to show your amazing intellect which comes from reading a book and a website, or go ahead and provide a solution to this catastrophic situation of cat food.
 
2013-01-29 08:12:34 PM

Meethos: Cats can NOT digest plant matter. Even when fed Catnip, it passes through them undigested.
Cats can NOT taste "sweet", when they eat ice cream it's because of the enormous amount of fat, when they eat watermelon, it's because you feed them dry food and they're dehydrated.

Period. There is no argument. That is fact.


Humans dont digest cellulose and vegetables are full of it. Just because part of the food goes undigested doesn't mean its not useful for some reason.

We have a food maze with some dry cat food in it so if he gets hungry he can go paw out a piece or two -- the dry food keeps him from developing bad food habits and getting fat. If we just feed him wet food at a set time he gorges himself and gets whiny and rude. He has water glasses every corner of the house... I think hes alright.

I ran out of cat food one night and tried looking up a homemade replacement so i wouldn't have to go make a 45 min trip to the store. 90% of the answers were just people calling me a bad owner for letting him run out of food.

God forbid he gets a lump of raw ground beef mixed with raw eggs. What rotten food for a cat... Like the elderly and children, pets are not made out of glass and are capable of coping to an extent with lifes ups and downs.
 
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