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2013-01-28 10:39:52 AM  
Boring, boring, boring. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting any of these cars.
 
2013-01-28 11:40:45 AM  

ThatGuyGreg: Boring, boring, boring. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting any of these cars.


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Cars?
 
2013-01-28 11:57:56 AM  

SnarfVader: ThatGuyGreg: Boring, boring, boring. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting any of these cars.

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Cars?


That's a fugly truck.
 
2013-01-28 11:59:53 AM  

bsharitt: SnarfVader: ThatGuyGreg: Boring, boring, boring. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting any of these cars.

[i212.photobucket.com image 600x404]

Cars?

That's a fugly truck.


To each their own. If they made a 1 ton so I could tow my 5th wheel, I'd be all over it.
 
2013-01-28 12:01:51 PM  

SnarfVader: ThatGuyGreg: Boring, boring, boring. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting any of these cars.

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Cars?


Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Personally, I think the lead designers at Hyundai should be tried for crimes against humanity for putting those abominations on the road, but people seem to like them.
 
2013-01-28 12:06:15 PM  
Anyone out there have a 2012 Camry hybrid? Should I get a 2013 in a few months?

/2002 Camry
//'96 Corolla
///'93 Tercel
////'83 Corolla
 
2013-01-28 12:10:41 PM  

fickenchucker: a 2012 Camry hybrid? Should I get a 2013 in a few months?

/2002 Camry


That Tercel didn't last very long.  What happened?
 
2013-01-28 12:15:49 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: Boring, boring, boring. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting any of these cars.


They're boring, I guess, but they're inoffensive. They're plain.

Which is fine. Most people just want a car that works well, and looks alright. Toyota knows this. Not everybody is a "car guy". I know I'm not. I don't give a flying fark about how the car looks. I just want it to be reliable and reasonably-priced.
 
2013-01-28 12:16:07 PM  
I got to drive a 2012 Corolla while my car was in the shop a while back. It was utilitarian, but overall I was non-plussed.

I'd consider buying one if a) I got a good deal on the car and b) they could kick up the MPG -- hit 40 and we'll talk.
 
2013-01-28 12:19:03 PM  
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2013-01-28 12:21:28 PM  
I just bought a 2010 Tacoma. The 6 speed is fun, the engine has enough grunt for me, and the double cab is big enough for whoever wants a ride. Sadly, it came with a short box. I decided that I'd rather have more fun (6 speed) rather than a little extra room in a box that is quite tiny regardless.

The only crappy part is that it was coined the "Black TuRD Taco" by coworkers due to the horsepower adding stickers on the box sides. Yay...
 
2013-01-28 12:33:21 PM  

TheAuldTriangle: fickenchucker: a 2012 Camry hybrid? Should I get a 2013 in a few months?

/2002 Camry

That Tercel didn't last very long.  What happened?


Kids started getting born.

But I put something like 75,000 miles on that thing in three years. Still have the 2002 Camry--187,000 so far and going to be the high-schooler's car soon.
 
2013-01-28 12:33:38 PM  

fickenchucker: Anyone out there have a 2012 Camry hybrid? Should I get a 2013 in a few months?

/2002 Camry
//'96 Corolla
///'93 Tercel
////'83 Corolla


Just reading that post made me fall asleep.
 
2013-01-28 12:35:39 PM  
Your parent's car
 
2013-01-28 12:47:48 PM  

LineNoise: fickenchucker: Anyone out there have a 2012 Camry hybrid? Should I get a 2013 in a few months?

/2002 Camry
//'96 Corolla
///'93 Tercel
////'83 Corolla

Just reading that post made me fall asleep.



I like boring cars that don't break. I've had good luck with Toyota. Not so much with GM or Ford.

The car I've always wanted was a brand new early '90s Buick Park Avenue Ultra. Didn't work out.

/Drove a '77 Cadillac Sedan DeVille Brougham in high school, and loved it.
 
2013-01-28 12:51:25 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: Boring, boring, boring. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting any of these cars.


Boring?
www.thedetroitbureau.com
Near 50/50 weight balancing, light as a feather (at least when it comes to cars), lowest center of gravity of any production car, 30mpg, $25k price and a sexy 6-speed manual is boring? All I want is a supercharged TRD version and remove the slippery Prius tires.
 
2013-01-28 12:54:16 PM  

Donnchadha: I got to drive a 2012 Corolla while my car was in the shop a while back. It was utilitarian, but overall I was non-plussed.

I'd consider buying one if a) I got a good deal on the car and b) they could kick up the MPG -- hit 40 and we'll talk.


The Corolla is a POS. I also had one as a rental and why on earth would anybody buy one? I also had an Elantra and it was significantly better.
 
2013-01-28 12:59:01 PM  
Toyota will have their time on top, and then just like GM they will become bogged down by inertia and bureaucracy, they will stop leading and start following, their cars will become boring, bland and undesirable, they will cut corners to maximize profits and become embroiled in scandal as a result, and they will fall from grace. It's a common pattern among businesses that sell consumer goods.
 
2013-01-28 01:06:24 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Toyota will have their time on top, and then just like GM they will become bogged down by inertia and bureaucracy, they will stop leading and start following, their cars will become boring, bland and undesirable, they will cut corners to maximize profits and become embroiled in scandal as a result, and they will fall from grace. It's a common pattern among businesses that sell consumer goods.


Toyota was the #1 seller for ages before GM took it over.
 
2013-01-28 01:09:15 PM  
If you're looking for a machine that gets you from point A to point B (not an identity-extender or penis-enhancer), you cannot fail with a Toyota. They will last you way longer than you could possibly expect or want.

/After my current '01 Camry, I'm convinced I may never buy another brand of car, and I'm OK with that
 
2013-01-28 01:11:08 PM  
I drive a 2002 Tundra with close to 300k miles on it and it hasn't given me any problems whatsover. Will upgrade to a '12 or '13 this year. I don't really care about looks. Just get me to my destination trouble free and be able to tow my stuff easily.
 
2013-01-28 01:12:46 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Toyota will have their time on top, and then just like GM they will become bogged down by inertia and bureaucracy, they will stop leading and start following, their cars will become boring, bland and undesirable, they will cut corners to maximize profits and become embroiled in scandal as a result, and they will fall from grace. It's a common pattern among businesses that sell consumer goods.


GM was enjoying a nice, post-bankruptcy emersion. Toyota's been king for years.
 
2013-01-28 01:14:42 PM  
Toyota realized there are lots of drivers with one desire: for a car that does things cars do. So they focused on that, and succeeded in giving those people what they want.

That aside, I wish the Hilux was in the US still. Screw the Tacoma; it's bloated.
 
2013-01-28 01:17:30 PM  

un4gvn666: If you're looking for a machine that gets you from point A to point B (not an identity-extender or penis-enhancer), you cannot fail with a Toyota. They will last you way longer than you could possibly expect or want.

/After my current '01 Camry, I'm convinced I may never buy another brand of car, and I'm OK with that


As my '04 Matrix closes in on 200K, I agree with and approve of this message.
 
2013-01-28 01:26:28 PM  
I have never had to repair my 2006 Scion xA (not counting scheduled maintenance items (tires, battery (it lasted five years), oil changes, brakes, wipers) or damage from accidents), with the single exception of having the stereo replaced under warranty (mine is an early model year 06 (bought in August 2005) and the first batch of 2006 model year stereos were apparently defective).

So, yeah.

And the "sudden acceleration" jokes are really old, and mostly BS anyways.
 
2013-01-28 01:27:47 PM  

Shazam999: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Toyota will have their time on top, and then just like GM they will become bogged down by inertia and bureaucracy, they will stop leading and start following, their cars will become boring, bland and undesirable, they will cut corners to maximize profits and become embroiled in scandal as a result, and they will fall from grace. It's a common pattern among businesses that sell consumer goods.

Toyota was the #1 seller for ages before GM took it over.


Are you nuts? GM had 50% of the market for most of the 20th century.
 
2013-01-28 01:49:37 PM  

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Shazam999: Adolf Oliver Nipples: Toyota will have their time on top, and then just like GM they will become bogged down by inertia and bureaucracy, they will stop leading and start following, their cars will become boring, bland and undesirable, they will cut corners to maximize profits and become embroiled in scandal as a result, and they will fall from grace. It's a common pattern among businesses that sell consumer goods.

Toyota was the #1 seller for ages before GM took it over.

Are you nuts? GM had 50% of the market for most of the 20th century.


Sorry, yes, I was nuts. GM was the #1 seller for ages. Both can go suck a cock and die though.
 
2013-01-28 02:16:19 PM  
2000 Tacoma PreRunner with 330,000 miles on it here. Virtually problem free, although I did recently get a new fuel pump.
 
2013-01-28 02:28:34 PM  

Shazam999: Donnchadha: I got to drive a 2012 Corolla while my car was in the shop a while back. It was utilitarian, but overall I was non-plussed.

I'd consider buying one if a) I got a good deal on the car and b) they could kick up the MPG -- hit 40 and we'll talk.

The Corolla is a POS. I also had one as a rental and why on earth would anybody buy one? I also had an Elantra and it was significantly better.


Oddly enough, my ride that was in the shop was an '01 Elantra that I agree was a better ride than the '12 Corolla

I don't think it was a POS, but it's sort of mid-pack compact car with nothing outstanding that means I want to investigate it further when my Elantra eventually needs replacing
 
2013-01-28 02:31:03 PM  

Donnchadha: Shazam999: Donnchadha: I got to drive a 2012 Corolla while my car was in the shop a while back. It was utilitarian, but overall I was non-plussed.

I'd consider buying one if a) I got a good deal on the car and b) they could kick up the MPG -- hit 40 and we'll talk.

The Corolla is a POS. I also had one as a rental and why on earth would anybody buy one? I also had an Elantra and it was significantly better.

Oddly enough, my ride that was in the shop was an '01 Elantra that I agree was a better ride than the '12 Corolla

I don't think it was a POS, but it's sort of mid-pack compact car with nothing outstanding that means I want to investigate it further when my Elantra eventually needs replacing


If it was significantly cheaper than I could understand, but it's pretty expensive for what you get. The dash was hideous and the controls were cheap beyond belief. A total shock since I have a 2004 Sienna. They've really lowered the bar at Toyota.
 
2013-01-28 02:34:50 PM  

SnarfVader: bsharitt: SnarfVader: ThatGuyGreg: Boring, boring, boring. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting any of these cars.

[i212.photobucket.com image 600x404]

Cars?

That's a fugly truck.

To each their own. If they made a 1 ton so I could tow my 5th wheel, I'd be all over it.


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NOTE: The space shuttle Endeavour weighs 292,000 lbs, or 146 tons.
 
2013-01-28 02:39:42 PM  

ManOfTeal: SnarfVader: bsharitt: SnarfVader: ThatGuyGreg: Boring, boring, boring. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting any of these cars.

[i212.photobucket.com image 600x404]

Cars?

That's a fugly truck.

To each their own. If they made a 1 ton so I could tow my 5th wheel, I'd be all over it.

[www.blogcdn.com image 628x419]

NOTE: The space shuttle Endeavour weighs 292,000 lbs, or 146 tons.


A hell of a publicity stunt, but for the most part people don't give a crap. I'm curious how they landed that deal.
 
2013-01-28 02:43:41 PM  

Need a Dispenser Here: ManOfTeal: SnarfVader: bsharitt: SnarfVader: ThatGuyGreg: Boring, boring, boring. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting any of these cars.

[i212.photobucket.com image 600x404]

Cars?

That's a fugly truck.

To each their own. If they made a 1 ton so I could tow my 5th wheel, I'd be all over it.

[www.blogcdn.com image 628x419]

NOTE: The space shuttle Endeavour weighs 292,000 lbs, or 146 tons.

A hell of a publicity stunt, but for the most part people don't give a crap. I'm curious how they landed that deal.


And I quote Jalopnk here, "Toyota took advantage of the event to shoot a commercial because, well, duh. And while it's tempting to paint Toyota as crass opportunists, it's worth mentioning a few things: They've been working with the California Science Center for over 20 years, and there's even a first-gen Tundra in the parking lot to demonstrate leverage- the truck that just towed Endeavour will replace that one." Link
 
2013-01-28 02:52:47 PM  
I'll take a Mazda3 over a Corolla and a Mazda6 over a Camry any day. The 2014 Mazda6 is a beauty and I'm loving my 2012 Mazda3
 
2013-01-28 03:01:28 PM  

Geotpf:
And the "sudden acceleration" jokes are really old, and mostly BS anyways.


Unintended acceleration - Toyotas don't accelerate suddenly, intended or not.
 
2013-01-28 03:18:10 PM  

ThatGuyGreg: Boring, boring, boring. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting any of these cars.


Meanwhile, people in real life have to contend with what their earnings and budgets will permit them to purchase. I love the current crop of American muscle cars that have the retro late 60's early 70's thing going on but they are just as unaffordable now as they were then. Most people you see zipping about in econo boxes are not driving their ride of choice. They are living life, paying a slew of monthly bills and doing the best they can with what they've got. It's easy to spend most of your paycheck on fancy wheels when Mommy doesn't charge you much rent.
 
2013-01-28 03:36:20 PM  
...because the brakes don't work.
 
2013-01-28 03:57:11 PM  

PsychoPhil: Geotpf:
And the "sudden acceleration" jokes are really old, and mostly BS anyways.

Unintended acceleration - Toyotas don't accelerate suddenly, intended or not.


You know what? When I had that Corolla I noticed that the sole of my right boot would catch on the edge of the accelerator petal. Only happened with that pair of boots. I had to consciously make sure I didn't catch the petal.
 
2013-01-28 04:08:32 PM  

KrispyKritter: ThatGuyGreg: Boring, boring, boring. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting any of these cars.

Meanwhile, people in real life have to contend with what their earnings and budgets will permit them to purchase. I love the current crop of American muscle cars that have the retro late 60's early 70's thing going on but they are just as unaffordable now as they were then. Most people you see zipping about in econo boxes are not driving their ride of choice. They are living life, paying a slew of monthly bills and doing the best they can with what they've got. It's easy to spend most of your paycheck on fancy wheels when Mommy doesn't charge you much rent.


The funny thing is that a 2013 Camry is faster than a 1960's muscle car.
 
2013-01-28 05:50:28 PM  

Swoop1809: I'll take a Mazda3 over a Corolla and a Mazda6 over a Camry any day. The 2014 Mazda6 is a beauty and I'm loving my 2012 Mazda3


I owned a 626 back in the 90s and loved it. Now I'm a Nissan fan. I love my 370Z, but I will have to give it up once the girlfriend and her kids move in. There's a Maxima or an Infinity G37 in my near future.

The last Toyota I thought looked fun was the MR2. I know their buyers aren't going for sexy, but I think a car can be sexy and reliable. Why does reliable have to boring?
 
2013-01-28 07:13:31 PM  

ManOfTeal: SnarfVader: bsharitt: SnarfVader: ThatGuyGreg: Boring, boring, boring. I can't imagine anyone actually wanting any of these cars.

[i212.photobucket.com image 600x404]

Cars?

That's a fugly truck.

To each their own. If they made a 1 ton so I could tow my 5th wheel, I'd be all over it.

NOTE: The space shuttle Endeavour weighs 292,000 lbs, or 146 tons.


That's not pulling it by a 5th wheel hitch. While that's a great publicity stunt, it doesn't reflect real world conditions. If Toyota brought out a diesel version with a highly beefed-up suspension, I would buy one. Safety at highway speeds while towing is my concern.
 
2013-01-28 07:26:05 PM  

SnarfVader: That's not pulling it by a 5th wheel hitch. While that's a great publicity stunt, it doesn't reflect real world conditions. If Toyota brought out a diesel version with a highly beefed-up suspension, I would buy one. Safety at highway speeds while towing is my concern.


Too bad they don't offer their 2007 SEMA Tundra HD:
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8.0L diesel - 300 horsepower, 600 lb.ft. torque. 24,000 lbs towing capacity  Link
 
2013-01-28 08:22:40 PM  

verbaltoxin: That aside, I wish the Hilux was in the US still. Screw the Tacoma; it's bloated.


This. Loved my mini-trucks ('76 Datsun P/U and '90 Mitsubishi 4X4) because they were small trucks and proud of it, not "Gee, I wish I were a big truck" trucks with an inferiority complex.
 
2013-01-28 08:25:57 PM  

Swoop1809: I'll take a Mazda3 over a Corolla and a Mazda6 over a Camry any day. The 2014 Mazda6 is a beauty and I'm loving my 2012 Mazda3


Recently rented a Mazda3 hatchback for a few days. I liked it and it made me wonder what the Mazdaspeed version is like :-)
 
2013-01-28 08:29:40 PM  

StrandedInAZ: Swoop1809: I'll take a Mazda3 over a Corolla and a Mazda6 over a Camry any day. The 2014 Mazda6 is a beauty and I'm loving my 2012 Mazda3

I owned a 626 back in the 90s and loved it. Now I'm a Nissan fan. I love my 370Z, but I will have to give it up once the girlfriend and her kids move in. There's a Maxima or an Infinity G37 in my near future.

The last Toyota I thought looked fun was the MR2. I know their buyers aren't going for sexy, but I think a car can be sexy and reliable. Why does reliable have to boring?


When I retire the current boring-mobile (01 Camry) I was looking at the Scion/Subaru sport coupe posted above. Hopefully that will hit the sweet spot in the venn diagram between fun, reliable and affordable. Otherwise, it might be a Subaru WRX with a little more weight and horsepower, but a lot more passenger room and utility.
 
2013-01-28 10:29:10 PM  
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Toyota: #1 with terrorists, whether it is for a carbomb or a shoddy technical. Who needs power if you're going to get blown up a First World country like the US?
 
2013-01-28 10:34:53 PM  

Geotpf: The funny thing is that a 2013 Camry is faster than a 1960's muscle car.


http://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2013/comparison-test.html
"The Camry LE reaches 60 mph in 8.4 seconds (8.0 with a foot of rollout as on a drag strip) and the quarter-mile in 16.1 seconds at 88.2 mph."

With a 16 second e.t, a beat up 4 door 307 Nova would smoke that Toyota.
Leave the musclecars alone with your Camry unless you happen to like being laughed at.
 
2013-01-29 01:11:27 AM  

TheAuldTriangle: fickenchucker: a 2012 Camry hybrid? Should I get a 2013 in a few months?

/2002 Camry

That Tercel didn't last very long.  What happened?


He bought a Tercel.
 
2013-01-29 01:24:04 AM  

Kurmudgeon: Geotpf: The funny thing is that a 2013 Camry is faster than a 1960's muscle car.

http://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2013/comparison-test.html
"The Camry LE reaches 60 mph in 8.4 seconds (8.0 with a foot of rollout as on a drag strip) and the quarter-mile in 16.1 seconds at 88.2 mph."

With a 16 second e.t, a beat up 4 door 307 Nova would smoke that Toyota.
Leave the musclecars alone with your Camry unless you happen to like being laughed at.


Hey smartypants, you realize LE is the 4-cylinder model. The 2012 SE V6 does the quarter in 14.3 seconds at 101 mph. A 1970 Baracuda with a 440 does it one-tenth of a second slower @ 14.4.
 
2013-01-29 08:44:15 AM  

Geotpf: I have never had to repair my 2006 Scion xA (not counting scheduled maintenance items (tires, battery (it lasted five years), oil changes, brakes, wipers) or damage from accidents), with the single exception of having the stereo replaced under warranty (mine is an early model year 06 (bought in August 2005) and the first batch of 2006 model year stereos were apparently defective).

So, yeah.

And the "sudden acceleration" jokes are really old, and mostly BS anyways.


*brofist*

My xA is from the same batch as yours. Haven't had any trouble with my stereo though.

One day I'm getting an FR-S, but I intend to keep the xA around as a daily driver, because you can't kill that car. Reliable, economical, great handling, and tons of space relative to its size. That car is like a TARDIS on wheels, it's the size of a shoe but somehow you can cram five adults and a month's worth of groceries in it.
 
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