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2013-01-28 02:50:32 PM
Endorphine addicts!
 
2013-01-28 02:51:47 PM
This is one of these things that you have to just decide for yourself. I've been running in traditional shoes for years on a pavement running trail and I have zero problems with my knees, calves or ankles. All I do is listen to my footsteps when I am running, if they sound too loud I try to move my weight forward a bit so I am landing flat on my feet instead of back on the heels. I've known people who have switched to vibrams and they actually made them stop running because the transition was so painful.

My advice is that if traditional running shoes work for you and you don't have chronic pain, then just keep doing that. Don't switch because it is "better" to run in vibrams.
 
2013-01-28 02:54:01 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: I'm sure doctors love this new fad.

Sure barefoot is how we evolved but we also did so on dirt and grass not concrete and asphalt. Anyone do a study on minimalist running and a spike in shin splints and hairline fractures in the hips/legs?


Actually, I heard about barefoot running two or three years ago, before it became a megafad. I was in PT for my back, which was injured in a car wreck. I repeatedly heard my therapist recommend barefoot running to numerous other patients with ankle and knee injuries.
 
2013-01-28 02:56:34 PM

inner ted: Mose: inner ted: mt. biked with these for over a decade
[www.pricepoint.com image 300x300]


now ride with these
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

/getting a kick

Do a lot of freeride and trials, do you?

/I hate riding flats

that's a big negative sir

csb wall of text incoming:

i ride cross country / trails

big difference i noticed most when pedaling UP hill - my feet kept coming off cause i was trying to 'pull up'. made for some awkward moments. i feel more powerful and have as much or more endurance than when i rode clipless. i'm a real creature of habit & ride the same trail over and over, so i can tell when i'm faster or not.

but i truly think it's made me a better rider both in technical skill and fitness. even the most mundane downhills require concentration - let alone something steep / technical - with clipless i just point and shoot knowing i'll always stay in the pedals - but now with platforms, that isn't a given & it makes it all more entertaining & rewarding.

like i heard someone put it: sprint runners don't train with spike shoes - they only use those to race in. i think clipless is similar to this.

protip: if you go platform (& you should) invest in 5.10's - they are the shizznit

/learning how to properly bunny hop is freaking hard - but when i do it, i feel boss
//sorry, i tend to go on at the mouth if someone dare ask me about something i'm interested in - will be as long winded on other topics like: halo or lumber
//csb wall of text "off"


Ok, I rode for several years without clipless, in the late 90's when I started mtbing. I can bunny hop and tail lift without them. I love clipless because you can wear shoes with spikes for hike a bike not slip-and-die-flat soled jobs, no bear traps, and I am more efficient. I race XC and almost never see flats. The terrain around here is pretty technical though.
 
2013-01-28 02:59:28 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: I'm sure doctors love this new fad.

Sure barefoot is how we evolved but we also did so on dirt and grass not concrete and asphalt. Anyone do a study on minimalist running and a spike in shin splints and hairline fractures in the hips/legs?


I dunno; jogging in regular running shoes with heel strike makes my knees and ankles swell up and hurt and gives me shin splints; that's why I don't run for exercise. I'm thinking about trying a pair of the minimalist shoes just to see if it makes any difference.

/cyclist.
//But not those goddam toe shoes; those are an abomination. Worse than Crocs.
 
2013-01-28 02:59:36 PM
Knee problems while running? This this instead

bikereviews.com
 
2013-01-28 03:00:15 PM
The human body is all round pretty crappy. We are bad design incarnate, why do you think we need so many machines just to survive? Tech is our only trick and it's funny how so many people keep saying tech is bad. Without it we would either starve or be lion food.
 
2013-01-28 03:02:35 PM

hitlersbrain: The human body is all round pretty crappy. We are bad design incarnate, why do you think we need so many machines just to survive? Tech is our only trick and it's funny how so many people keep saying tech is bad. Without it we would either starve or be lion food.


There is a couple of hundred thousand years of human natural history that proves you are either a troll or utterly stupid.
 
2013-01-28 03:05:29 PM
You don't need minimalist shoes to not heel strike.  You need to correct your running form.
 
2013-01-28 03:10:14 PM
In all of this (my own comments included). It amazes me that no one has pointed out the stupidity of buying shoes that mimic not wearing shoes.

\I'd like to sell some invisible clothes. Virtually weightless.
 
2013-01-28 03:11:22 PM

JackieRabbit: hitlersbrain: The human body is all round pretty crappy. We are bad design incarnate, why do you think we need so many machines just to survive? Tech is our only trick and it's funny how so many people keep saying tech is bad. Without it we would either starve or be lion food.

There is a couple of hundred thousand years of human natural history that proves you are either a troll or utterly stupid.


We used tech all that time. Spears, flint tools, fire. He's not completely wrong; without tools we're not nearly as badass as other large primates. No big fangs, not nearly as strong as chimps and gorillas, and not nearly as good at climbing, either.
 
2013-01-28 03:14:17 PM

Mose: inner ted: Mose: inner ted: mt. biked with these for over a decade
[www.pricepoint.com image 300x300]


now ride with these
[ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

/getting a kick

Do a lot of freeride and trials, do you?

/I hate riding flats

that's a big negative sir

csb wall of text incoming:

i ride cross country / trails

big difference i noticed most when pedaling UP hill - my feet kept coming off cause i was trying to 'pull up'. made for some awkward moments. i feel more powerful and have as much or more endurance than when i rode clipless. i'm a real creature of habit & ride the same trail over and over, so i can tell when i'm faster or not.

but i truly think it's made me a better rider both in technical skill and fitness. even the most mundane downhills require concentration - let alone something steep / technical - with clipless i just point and shoot knowing i'll always stay in the pedals - but now with platforms, that isn't a given & it makes it all more entertaining & rewarding.

like i heard someone put it: sprint runners don't train with spike shoes - they only use those to race in. i think clipless is similar to this.

protip: if you go platform (& you should) invest in 5.10's - they are the shizznit

/learning how to properly bunny hop is freaking hard - but when i do it, i feel boss
//sorry, i tend to go on at the mouth if someone dare ask me about something i'm interested in - will be as long winded on other topics like: halo or lumber
//csb wall of text "off"

Ok, I rode for several years without clipless, in the late 90's when I started mtbing. I can bunny hop and tail lift without them. I love clipless because you can wear shoes with spikes for hike a bike not slip-and-die-flat soled jobs, no bear traps, and I am more efficient. I race XC and almost never see flats. The terrain around here is pretty technical though.


i'm certainly no racer - but the terrain here in the pacific nw can be challenging (though there seems to be a lot of trail smoothing these days that turns fun roots and rocks into flat & featureless, but that is another topic)

while i can appreciate having spikes in the toes of clipless shoes, i never once installed them in the decade plus i used clipless and never really missed them. i could always hike steep muddy slopes well enough. i can see how using my 5.10's to do the same may be tough.

as for more efficient using clipless.. i suppose, but i also think that the "efficiency" you mention is part of what i view as becoming almost lazy on clipless.

maybe give the platforms a try... they are a bit to get used to at first, but i think you may be surprised
 
2013-01-28 03:16:29 PM

JackieRabbit: hitlersbrain: The human body is all round pretty crappy. We are bad design incarnate, why do you think we need so many machines just to survive? Tech is our only trick and it's funny how so many people keep saying tech is bad. Without it we would either starve or be lion food.

There is a couple of hundred thousand years of human natural history that proves you are either a troll or utterly stupid.


You mean where we almost died as a species? Many times over? We suck at everything. No natural weapons, slow as hell, weak as hell, no armor no camouflage, crappy eyes, crappy ears, crappy sense of smell, not even much of a fur coat. Again, why else would we have all this tech? Why else would we need huge brains? Sorry to burst your bubble.
 
2013-01-28 03:18:39 PM
Oh well if Africans do it then it must be true
 
2013-01-28 03:22:20 PM
I don't understand the headline.
 
2013-01-28 03:29:25 PM

hitlersbrain: JackieRabbit: hitlersbrain: The human body is all round pretty crappy. We are bad design incarnate, why do you think we need so many machines just to survive? Tech is our only trick and it's funny how so many people keep saying tech is bad. Without it we would either starve or be lion food.

There is a couple of hundred thousand years of human natural history that proves you are either a troll or utterly stupid.

You mean where we almost died as a species? Many times over? We suck at everything. No natural weapons, slow as hell, weak as hell, no armor no camouflage, crappy eyes, crappy ears, crappy sense of smell, not even much of a fur coat. Again, why else would we have all this tech? Why else would we need huge brains? Sorry to burst your bubble.


We're good at distance running. We can run pretty much any prey to death, because they overheat and we don't because of sweat and a low-energy bipedal gait.
 
2013-01-28 03:30:23 PM
Sooooo, if shoes are so terrible for your feet, why we're they invented in the first place? Seems counter-productive.
 
2013-01-28 03:31:38 PM
Dammit, Kindle! You didn't need to add an apostrophe then.
 
2013-01-28 03:38:26 PM

mike_d85: In all of this (my own comments included). It amazes me that no one has pointed out the stupidity of buying shoes that mimic not wearing shoes.

\I'd like to sell some invisible clothes. Virtually weightless.


Think of them as foot condoms. They let some of the sensation through, whilest protecting you from infectious disease.
 
2013-01-28 03:39:16 PM

inner ted: mt. biked with these for over a decade


Those are jinxed anyway.

One guy ditched his bike and it ended up going down a hill. In his defense he did it so he wouldn't hit a kid. He had those...

Another guy managed to mangle his arm in a fall. He had those.

Finally a guy pulled off and found his bike wasn't secured to the car. He had those.

/CSB
//They're jinxed!
 
2013-01-28 03:42:46 PM
The minimalist shoes will never go away though, because those shoes happen to be great for other sports, namely sailing/surfing/windsurfing, etc...

So the running minimalists will always have their equipment to perform their silly walk.
 
2013-01-28 03:44:32 PM
We need a "no shiat" tag.
 
2013-01-28 03:46:55 PM

entropic_existence: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: The advantages of these shoes are quite obvious, but many don't understand that you need a lengthy period to get used to the complete lack of cushion and support and then wonder why thy get hurt. Those folks who do take their time to get used to it tend to love the minimalis shoes.
And if anyone is looking to try them out - check out the New Balance minimalist models. They are much more comfortable and the design blows Vibrams out of the water.

Thats what I have, and the soles are by Vibram and designed for trail running. Definitely helped me switch to a midfoot strike.


New Balance Minimus? I have a pair. Love them.
 
2013-01-28 03:50:38 PM
I am not one of those people who wear running shoes everywhere. So when I need to dress up, I wear a pair of these:

d1535dk28ea235.cloudfront.net
 
2013-01-28 03:50:41 PM

randomjsa: inner ted: mt. biked with these for over a decade

Those are jinxed anyway.

One guy ditched his bike and it ended up going down a hill. In his defense he did it so he wouldn't hit a kid. He had those...

Another guy managed to mangle his arm in a fall. He had those.

Finally a guy pulled off and found his bike wasn't secured to the car. He had those.

/CSB
//They're jinxed!


lol

they aren't for everyone that is for certain

i had a bit of skiing history, so the idea of being locked in wasn't completely foreign.

and i got used to them to the point of becoming dependent on them - which is part of what motivated me to switch

also - i think that clipless limit your body movement so much that it is not a good thing

plus walking in those shoes blow dog & you look like a tool
 
2013-01-28 03:52:32 PM

Rustico: SirGeorgeBurkelwitzIII: but many don't understand that you need a lengthy period to get used to the complete lack of cushion and support and then wonder why thy get hurt

Very much true. I spent a few weeks walking in the Vibrams before I began any running. Even then, my calves took another month to adjust to the mid-strike form.

You CANNOT just "turn the switch" from heel-strike/padded show to mid-strike/minimalist shoe without risking significant injury.


That's true with any change in running form.  You have to ease into it.
 
2013-01-28 03:57:11 PM
VFF are for middle aged housewives to wear to yoga.
 
2013-01-28 04:05:42 PM

seadoo2006: stuhayes2010: I like running in these. I can't run as fast because of lack of cushioning, but I do feel that I use more leg muscles and the run feels more "natural" or fluid. I guess I am smug or a hipster or something.


[www.northwestmilitary.com image 483x304]

/jogs with regular shoes too.

No, you're just annihilating your hip bones ... you should ask my grandfather that used to run with Jesse Owens back in the days before cork running tracks ... yeah ... enjoy those hip replacement surgeries ...

You want the softest impact running exercises you can find ... cork tracks, padded shoes, anything to reduce the strain on bones and muscles due to repetitive impact.


You see, you're not being *natural* enough. If you really want to get back to the life nature intended, you should get yourself eaten by a leopard when you're 34 -- just like our ancestors have been doing for 100's of thousands of years. If you lived like that, you'd never need hip replacements because you'd be leopard-chow long before your hips gave out.
 
2013-01-28 04:07:39 PM

Tri 26.2: Thats what I have, and the soles are by Vibram and designed for trail running. Definitely helped me switch to a midfoot strike.

New Balance Minimus? I have a pair. Love them.


Yup, bought them last summer. Quite comfortable to just wear casually too.
 
2013-01-28 04:08:22 PM

mbillips: hitlersbrain: JackieRabbit: hitlersbrain: The human body is all round pretty crappy. We are bad design incarnate, why do you think we need so many machines just to survive? Tech is our only trick and it's funny how so many people keep saying tech is bad. Without it we would either starve or be lion food.

There is a couple of hundred thousand years of human natural history that proves you are either a troll or utterly stupid.

You mean where we almost died as a species? Many times over? We suck at everything. No natural weapons, slow as hell, weak as hell, no armor no camouflage, crappy eyes, crappy ears, crappy sense of smell, not even much of a fur coat. Again, why else would we have all this tech? Why else would we need huge brains? Sorry to burst your bubble.

We're good at distance running. We can run pretty much any prey to death, because they overheat and we don't because of sweat and a low-energy bipedal gait.


We're also good at socializing, allowing us to overwhelm other animals with our numbers. Additionally, we can digest a wider variety of foods than nearly any other animal, allowing us to survive in varied environments and increase our numbers.

Humans have killed pretty much every animal we've encountered with nothing more advanced than pointy sticks and sharp rocks. We can use our brains to find workarounds for our lack of natural weapons, camouflage, etc. On the other hand, a tiger can't bite its way into developing a cooperative social structure with other tigers.
 
2013-01-28 04:16:52 PM

kab: MasterPlanz: Also, I am so old I am not entirely certain what 'hipster' means.

FARK definition of hipster = anything I dislike, or have no firsthand knowledge of (which automatically means it's bad).


"Witchcraft" is SOOO 19th century
 
2013-01-28 04:24:37 PM
I'm in the same boat as a few of the others posters.

I just recently switched from conventional running shoes to the fivefingers. I no longer have any shin splint pain and feel as if I can run forever.

Do what feels best.
 
2013-01-28 04:29:49 PM
I'll start taking barefoot runners seriously when I finish a race behind some.

/form drills and a couple barefoot strides give you 100% of the benefits
 
2013-01-28 04:55:37 PM
I'm a minimalist runner. Once a year or so is good enough
 
2013-01-28 04:58:39 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: What about that study that finds that while Homo sapiens is capable of running long distances, there is no evolutionary benefit to it and it's not something that would ever have been done on purpose prior to the late 19th century.

Sprinting, even jogging for some moderate distance while hunting herd animals makes sense. Certainly not more than a mile or so, for the herds don't stampede that far and besides, once you've spooked them into stampeding, you've bungled the hunt and you're back to the clan's village to weave baskets or do women's work. But again, look at the vast majority of human existence: it's been 6,500 years since God created man and gave him dominion over the Earth and most of that has been without shoes and on unpaved trails and fields. It's not just the African Negro who's gone barefoot, but all people, White and Slavs and even the Punjabi Indians have spent most of human history barefoot, except for the foot-binding, which is practiced by the Chinaman.

No, running shoes accommodate a modern hobby, the running, and to do so barefoot is a foolishness, unless it is done on a natural surface like grass or dirt or asphalt or sand. And then it should not be for more than the distance one can shoot an arrow.


THis is Gold.
 
2013-01-28 05:02:18 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Knee problems while running? This this instead

[bikereviews.com image 600x378]


If I wanted a machine to do the work for me I'd just drive.
 
2013-01-28 05:03:22 PM

PirateKing: I am not one of those people who wear running shoes everywhere. So when I need to dress up, I wear a pair of these:

[d1535dk28ea235.cloudfront.net image 460x329]


Indeed.

www.bundyology.com
 
2013-01-28 05:20:37 PM

jshine: You see, you're not being *natural* enough. If you really want to get back to the life nature intended, you should get yourself eaten by a leopard when you're 34 -- just like our ancestors have been doing for 100's of thousands of years. If you lived like that, you'd never need hip replacements because you'd be leopard-chow long before your hips gave ou


I'd rather be eaten by a cougar. Maybe not. At my age, the nearest cougar would be the 71 year old hooker down a few threads.
 
2013-01-28 05:36:18 PM
I'll just wait over here until the motorized model is done.
 
2013-01-28 05:56:30 PM

stuhayes2010: I like running in these. I can't run as fast because of lack of cushioning, but I do feel that I use more leg muscles and the run feels more "natural" or fluid. I guess I am smug or a hipster or something.


[www.northwestmilitary.com image 483x304]

/jogs with regular shoes too.


I use the vibrams as martial arts shoes if the room is too cold to go barefoot or if the surface isn't ideal, like asphalt or splintery wood. Basically like wrestling shoes for my purposes, but with a little bit more flexibility. They're pretty comfortable in this application, too.
 
2013-01-28 06:03:58 PM

randomjsa: inner ted: mt. biked with these for over a decade

Those are jinxed anyway.

One guy ditched his bike and it ended up going down a hill. In his defense he did it so he wouldn't hit a kid. He had those...

Another guy managed to mangle his arm in a fall. He had those.

Finally a guy pulled off and found his bike wasn't secured to the car. He had those.

/CSB
//They're jinxed!


Wrong Alt - no blame of Obama included.
 
2013-01-28 06:49:33 PM

Jument: sigdiamond2000: lohphat: The Larch: lohphat: If people are spending $59M on "minimalist shoes", thn they aren't athletes, they're "tools".

Americans spend over 200 times that much on bottled water.

Yes, people sure do spend a lot to run around barefoot, but they spend an incredibly huge amount to drink something that comes out of the tap for free.

This is me not disagreeing with you.

Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large numbers.


I can nearly always find a case of 24 12-ounce bottles of water for $3.99 at my local grocery store.

Drinking a cold bottle of water from my fridge and chucking the bottle in the recycling bin rather than grabbing a glass and filling it with not-cold water (and then washing it out when I'm done) is worth $3.99 to me.

I'm paying (minimally) for the convenience. I'm not paying for the water.

Consider: it takes energy to recycle that multitude of bottles, energy to remake the bottles, energy to run the bottling plant, energy to ship the water, etc. That last one is especially ludicrous when you stop and think about it. What you are doing is about as far from "green" as you can possibly get while drinking water. If you're ok with that, so be it. But at least think about it.


Just for that, I'm throwing away more recyclables today and probably tomorrow.

\ everyday actually
 
2013-01-28 06:50:16 PM

cryinoutloud: mike_d85: The Larch: lohphat: If people are spending $59M on "minimalist shoes", thn they aren't athletes, they're "tools".
Americans spend over 200 times that much on bottled water.
Yes, people sure do spend a lot to run around barefoot, but they spend an incredibly huge amount to drink something that comes out of the tap for free.
You live with your parents don't you?

You're a consumer whore, aren't you?


Isn't everyone?
 
2013-01-28 07:14:48 PM

Cyclonic Cooking Action: cryinoutloud: mike_d85: The Larch: lohphat: If people are spending $59M on "minimalist shoes", thn they aren't athletes, they're "tools".
Americans spend over 200 times that much on bottled water.
Yes, people sure do spend a lot to run around barefoot, but they spend an incredibly huge amount to drink something that comes out of the tap for free.
You live with your parents don't you?

You're a consumer whore, aren't you?

Isn't everyone?


Cyclonic Cooking Action: cryinoutloud: mike_d85: The Larch: lohphat: If people are spending $59M on "minimalist shoes", thn they aren't athletes, they're "tools".
Americans spend over 200 times that much on bottled water.
Yes, people sure do spend a lot to run around barefoot, but they spend an incredibly huge amount to drink something that comes out of the tap for free.
You live with your parents don't you?

You're a consumer whore, aren't you?

Isn't everyone?


You don't speak for me.
 
2013-01-28 08:14:28 PM
Running on your toes is FASTER. Not necessarily lower impact on your body.
Running so your heel comes down hard, is just all around bad.

If you are running CORRECTLY your heel will strike first however following the design of your foot it will roll forward.and dispersing the energy across your foot rather than a single point of impact. The power then comes from the front of your foot and then your toes pushing off.

If you want a different concept of this. Compare it to jumping off something high. You can land completely straight legged, you will fark up your knee. You can land with completely bunched up legs, you will fark up your ankle, knees and tendons. Or you could land with legs slightly bent allowing your whole body to absorb the impact.

From when your foot touches ground in front of you until it is just behind you all you are doing is dispersing the energy from your stride. Just after your foot is below you it transitions into power. If your foot steps are really loud when running, you are doing it wrong (this will happen for both landing on the front of the foot and coming down to hard on your heal. If you are running correctly it will be very quiet, you can easily sneak up on people if you are running correctly.


This is why sprinters run on their toes. It is faster.
This is why endurance runners use their whole foot, it is lower impact on the body.
This is why people who land on their heels complain about their joints.
If you are running competitively you will take more damage than if you just go out for a really long run there are trade offs to going faster and the trade off is the damage done to your body.


That being said the surface you are running on makes a huge difference. (Reason for surface and not talking about shoes, many shoe cushions cause you to run poorly). What you can do is select locations where you will have a solid footing but the ground will give way even slightly (limestone trails, hard packed dirt, grass, or hard sand) rather than running at places which will cause joint damage (cement, concrete, asphalt) or places that you are likely to run poorly in due to increased cushioning (soft sand).

Do not worry the hipsters are still wrong running on your toes is retarded. You lazy farks are right to a certain extent, can't take joint damage if you don't use the joints, but that is not entirely correct neglect can have just as bad consequences.


My point is the study was stupid we already know that landing on your heel is better...but only if you use the rest of your foot to help cushion and disperse the energy.
 
2013-01-28 08:14:44 PM
I'm also here to recommend the NB minimus series. I haven't run since, what, middle school and decided the bike just wasn't enough exercise, and these shoes are treating me right. That said, I have no basis of comparison with big clunky padded shoes but these are light, encourage a mid strike, and aren't heinously ugly.
 
2013-01-28 09:38:13 PM

stuhayes2010: I like running in these. I can't run as fast because of lack of cushioning, but I do feel that I use more leg muscles and the run feels more "natural" or fluid. I guess I am smug or a hipster or something.


[www.northwestmilitary.com image 483x304]

/jogs with regular shoes too.


I had a classmate who wore those every day to chemistry, except in blue. He also biked to class. He was a farking stoner, like the bad kind. The kind that shows up to class blazed out of his mind, if he shows up at all, and can't stay focused for two minutes. He claimed to be a physics major, but he dropped out of Chem 101.
 
2013-01-28 10:26:37 PM

Rustico: My experience is simple: ran using traditional padded shoes (fitted at renowned running stores) and developed problems with my legs; ran using minimalist shoes (Vibrams) and mid-strike and leg problems went away.

Entirely possible that had I run using modern shows AND a mid-strike stride I might not have ever developed the leg issues.


Yeah, I've always found padded shoes uncomfortable... but until the minimalist running fad came along I'd assumed running in unpadded shoes was bad for me. I'd still run for exercise and because my dog needed it, but I never got to the point where I enjoyed it.

The minimalist shoe fad let me retrain my running style to something much more comfortable, and I don't use expensive shoes at all. Give me an old pair of unpadded sneakers or teva sandles (ok, a bit expensive, but I wear them all summer anyway) and I actually prefer a light jog to walking.
 
2013-01-29 02:16:29 AM
When I was boy there was no such thing as a "running shoe", only canvas tops with flat soles without that annoying arch support. I tried running shoes, but ended up with sore knees, sore feet, and twisted ankles. They also wore out fast. Since I switched to so-called zero drop shoes, all those problems are gone and my shoes last years instead of months.
 
kab
2013-01-29 09:08:04 AM

inner ted: maybe give the platforms a try... they are a bit to get used to at first, but i think you may be surprised


During my brief stint with mountain biking (there really aren't that many fun places to ride around here), I always absolutely hated clip-ins. Growing up riding BMX probably had everything to do with that.

/can't live w/o them on the road sled, however.
 
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