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2013-01-28 09:45:47 AM
no, no it's not
 
2013-01-28 10:56:11 AM
So, what they're saying, is that exercise is bad? Finally, justification!!!
 
2013-01-28 10:56:24 AM
Like we needed a study for that?
 
2013-01-28 10:56:57 AM
Like all things hipster, it's only ironically good for you.
 
2013-01-28 10:59:06 AM
Always thought they just couldn't afford the shoes. Wondered why poor people were out jogging because the rest of their outfit looked so nice. Also was curious where there shopping cart was because as I understand it that is the homeless "must have" accessory.

Now I find out they are only trendy hipsters.
 
2013-01-28 10:59:39 AM
If people are spending $59M on "minimalist shoes", thn they aren't athletes, they're "tools".
 
2013-01-28 11:00:34 AM
I like running in these. I can't run as fast because of lack of cushioning, but I do feel that I use more leg muscles and the run feels more "natural" or fluid. I guess I am smug or a hipster or something.


www.northwestmilitary.com

/jogs with regular shoes too.
 
2013-01-28 11:02:58 AM
I didn't know that people gave a shiat about barefoot runners. Like they actually sit in their car at a stoplight and upon seeing a guy with no shoes on think to themselves "Look at that guy with no shoes! He thinks he's so great."

These people need a hobby... or maybe a blow job.
 
2013-01-28 11:04:09 AM
Summary: some other researchers found a different group of Africans and found that they run barefoot, but land heel first. Which does not dispute anything regarding running barefoot.
 
2013-01-28 11:04:23 AM

stuhayes2010: I like running in these. I can't run as fast because of lack of cushioning, but I do feel that I use more leg muscles and the run feels more "natural" or fluid. I guess I am smug or a hipster or something.


[www.northwestmilitary.com image 483x304]

/jogs with regular shoes too.


No, you're just annihilating your hip bones ... you should ask my grandfather that used to run with Jesse Owens back in the days before cork running tracks ... yeah ... enjoy those hip replacement surgeries ...

You want the softest impact running exercises you can find ... cork tracks, padded shoes, anything to reduce the strain on bones and muscles due to repetitive impact.
 
2013-01-28 11:06:25 AM
I have to disagree. Barefoot runners' smug will always be justified as long as people pay $200 and up for fancy running shoes. The only runners who are proof against barefoot smug-buggers are the lucky few who are paid massive amounts of money to shill for shoes and those who have their own branded shoes.

Running barefoot is classic Oneupmanship, as taught by Stephen Potter. Making millions of dollars in endorsements is the only One-up that can trump it, although passing a barefoot runner who is hobbled by blisters or cuts to his or her feet might give you a very temporary boost (smugging stopping to help works better, especially if you win the race any way).
 
2013-01-28 11:06:50 AM

lohphat: If people are spending $59M on "minimalist shoes", thn they aren't athletes, they're "tools".


Americans spend over 200 times that much on bottled water.

Yes, people sure do spend a lot to run around barefoot, but they spend an incredibly huge amount to drink something that comes out of the tap for free.
 
2013-01-28 11:08:29 AM
For "smugging" read "smugly".

And then consider the advantages of making "smug" into a verb.

Used in a sentence:  Where's Joe? He's in the common room smugging over the exam.

Spot my intentional mistake.
 
2013-01-28 11:09:13 AM
After not running for 15 years (knee problems) I tired barefoot, and it works for me.

Just do what you find enjoyable and don't listen to people who seem to think they have the answer to everything.
 
2013-01-28 11:10:21 AM

traylor: Like we needed a study for that?


Sadly, some hipsters need that to stop doing it. While others will claim "IT'S A CONSPIRACY!" and keep doing it anyway...until they blow out their achillies, knee or both.
 
2013-01-28 11:10:34 AM
Barefoot runners' smug may not be justified

I mean come on.
 
2013-01-28 11:11:35 AM
This entire thread sounds fat.
 
2013-01-28 11:11:39 AM

Rapmaster2000: I didn't know that people gave a shiat about barefoot runners. Like they actually sit in their car at a stoplight and upon seeing a guy with no shoes on think to themselves "Look at that guy with no shoes! He thinks he's so great."

These people need a hobby... or maybe a blow job.


You say that like there actually are people who don't need a blow job (or the gender-equivalent.)
 
2013-01-28 11:11:55 AM

MasterPlanz: After not running for 15 years (knee problems) I tired barefoot, and it works for me.

Just do what you find enjoyable and don't listen to people who seem to think they have the answer to everything.


I guess it's a YMMV situation, depending on how you "run".
 
2013-01-28 11:12:50 AM

MasterPlanz: After not running for 15 years (knee problems) I tired barefoot, and it works for me.

Just do what you find enjoyable and don't listen to people who seem to think they have the answer to everything.


So, did you go home right then?

/I keed
 
2013-01-28 11:13:13 AM

brantgoose: I have to disagree. Barefoot runners' smug will always be justified as long as people pay $200 and up for fancy running shoes have more money than them.


ftfy
 
2013-01-28 11:13:54 AM
My experience is simple: ran using traditional padded shoes (fitted at renowned running stores) and developed problems with my legs; ran using minimalist shoes (Vibrams) and mid-strike and leg problems went away.

Entirely possible that had I run using modern shows AND a mid-strike stride I might not have ever developed the leg issues.
 
2013-01-28 11:13:57 AM
Good luck with your hookworms, hipsters!
 
2013-01-28 11:16:29 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Good luck with your hookworms, hipsters!


In case there was any mystery that hipster means person I don't like.

Here's the deal, hipsters don't exercise. Hipsters stay thin with Parliament Lights and cocaine.
 
2013-01-28 11:17:17 AM

MasterPlanz: After not running for 15 years (knee problems) I tired barefoot, and it works for me.

Just do what you find enjoyable and don't listen to people who seem to think they have the answer to everything.


This. I had to start to run after my ACL tear. Running with a heal strike, even in super cushioned shoes, really hurt my knee. Running with a mid-strike solved all issues. Plus it made my ankles stronger as a side effect (larger calves and anterior tibialis).
 
2013-01-28 11:17:28 AM
chain mail shoes

Link
 
2013-01-28 11:17:40 AM
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2013-01-28 11:18:38 AM

Rustico: My experience is simple: ran using traditional padded shoes (fitted at renowned running stores) and developed problems with my legs; ran using minimalist shoes (Vibrams) and mid-strike and leg problems went away.


Pretty much the same experience here. Started running in traditional shoes and thought I was going to have to quit because it hurt my knees and hips so bad, switched to Ecco Bioms and haven't had a problem since.

But I guess I'll have to go back to being in miserable pain lest I be thought of as a hipster by the Cheeze Whiz shotgunners and elastic waistband aficionados of Fark.
 
2013-01-28 11:20:32 AM

brantgoose: I have to disagree. Barefoot runners' smug will always be justified as long as people pay $200 and up for fancy running shoes. The only runners who are proof against barefoot smug-buggers are the lucky few who are paid massive amounts of money to shill for shoes and those who have their own branded shoes.

Running barefoot is classic Oneupmanship, as taught by Stephen Potter. Making millions of dollars in endorsements is the only One-up that can trump it, although passing a barefoot runner who is hobbled by blisters or cuts to his or her feet might give you a very temporary boost (smugging stopping to help works better, especially if you win the race any way).


$200 is a bit of an exaggeration. I don't think very many true runners pay that much. The last pair of shoes I bought were $67 on sale (Asics GT-2710). I go through 3-4 pairs a year so it adds up a little bit, but it's still pretty cheap.

I've always wanted to try minimalist running but I just haven't gotten around to it. I'm skeptical, I guess.
 
2013-01-28 11:23:37 AM
 
2013-01-28 11:23:42 AM

Rapmaster2000: I didn't know that people gave a shiat about barefoot runners. Like they actually sit in their car at a stoplight and upon seeing a guy with no shoes on think to themselves "Look at that guy with no shoes! He thinks he's so great."

These people need a hobby... or maybe a blow job.


Maybe they are having road head in their beemer and say, wow, this guy's life looks crummy
 
2013-01-28 11:24:41 AM

The Larch: lohphat: If people are spending $59M on "minimalist shoes", thn they aren't athletes, they're "tools".

Americans spend over 200 times that much on bottled water.

Yes, people sure do spend a lot to run around barefoot, but they spend an incredibly huge amount to drink something that comes out of the tap for free.


This is me not disagreeing with you.

Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large numbers.
 
2013-01-28 11:28:01 AM

BojanglesPaladin: Summary: some other researchers found a different group of Africans and found that they run barefoot, but land heel first. Which does not dispute anything regarding running barefoot.


lohphat: If people are spending $59M on "minimalist shoes", thn they aren't athletes, they're "tools".


Considering that Jordan-branded shoes alone has revenues of almost $1 billion, 59M doesn't seem so bad for an entire category.
 
2013-01-28 11:28:11 AM
I hate feet. I hate running. Therefore, I hate barefoot running.

/i sound fat
 
2013-01-28 11:29:22 AM
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The last best running shoes you will ever need.
 
2013-01-28 11:31:12 AM

RichieLaw: MasterPlanz: After not running for 15 years (knee problems) I tired barefoot, and it works for me.

Just do what you find enjoyable and don't listen to people who seem to think they have the answer to everything.

This. I had to start to run after my ACL tear. Running with a heal strike, even in super cushioned shoes, really hurt my knee. Running with a mid-strike solved all issues. Plus it made my ankles stronger as a side effect (larger calves and anterior tibialis).



I further agree. Used to run in standard running shoes as a heel striker and needed braces for both of my knees for anything over a mile (not to mention the hip pain on anything over 3 miles or so). Learned to run mid-foot and the knee and hip pain went away. Switched to a more minimalist shoe and it was even easier to run mid-foot on account of not having an immense amount of padding in the shoe that was nearly forcing me to heel strike. Once I switched to those I was able to run a two-hour half marathon without any sort of pain after.

In short: do what feels best to you, but there is some validity to mid-foot running and it's connections to minimalist shoes.
 
2013-01-28 11:32:21 AM
Pussies! I have been training in Jimmy Choo 6" heels forever.
 
2013-01-28 11:33:55 AM
All this study suggests is there are, at a minimum, 38 dumb farks somewhere in Africa. Didn't exactly blow apart my world view.
 
2013-01-28 11:34:48 AM

lohphat: The Larch: lohphat: If people are spending $59M on "minimalist shoes", thn they aren't athletes, they're "tools".

Americans spend over 200 times that much on bottled water.

Yes, people sure do spend a lot to run around barefoot, but they spend an incredibly huge amount to drink something that comes out of the tap for free.

This is me not disagreeing with you.

Never underestimate the stupidity of people in large numbers.



I can nearly always find a case of 24 12-ounce bottles of water for $3.99 at my local grocery store.

Drinking a cold bottle of water from my fridge and chucking the bottle in the recycling bin rather than grabbing a glass and filling it with not-cold water (and then washing it out when I'm done) is worth $3.99 to me.

I'm paying (minimally) for the convenience. I'm not paying for the water.
 
2013-01-28 11:34:49 AM
A) the studied population are not runners
B) you're not controlling for surface -- which is what? 90% of the justification for fore-foot-first? (That it's less-damaging *when running on paved surfaces.*)
C) you're not even broaching the subject of efficiency or damage/injury types/rates

Can you imagine a headline of "MLB pitching style may be undermined by new research" based on a study of how non-athletic people throw a baseball with no regard for either effectiveness or drawbacks of the different styles?

Clearly a troll-tastic Fark headline is to be expected. But wapo? Shameful tabloid dickbaggery.

/ only runs when chased
// hopefully the researchers do get more money to continue
 
2013-01-28 11:37:32 AM
The reason why runners get problems may be due to the fact they ignore how their foot strikes the ground or just simply don't know any better. They just buy a shoe in the runner section that looks nice and feels confortable.

If you're going to seriously jog or run you need to do some research on how to identify your foot design that will reveal what part of your foot strikes the ground and buy a shoe that matches your running style. Yes, serious running shoes are made for 3 different types of foot strikers. May sound like trivial BS but it makes a big difference with soreness and being prone to injury.

Man may have been running barefoot for tens of thousands of years but we've also advanced in science to where we can protect our feet, legs,back...etc, as we run. Not saying some people don't benefit from minimalist shoes but there's a certain ambiance out there where we like to think we've had it wrong the whole time and the secret is less. That's just marketing doing it's job.

/run 25 miles a week
//6' 2" 250 lbs as well so absoribing heavy impact is important to me
 
kab
2013-01-28 11:38:44 AM
Subby either didn't RFTA, or has some assumption that minimalist runners advocate heel striking.
 
2013-01-28 11:38:53 AM
I ran for a while in traditional running shoes and the knee and hip pain nearly made me quit. After picking up a pair of Bikilas the pain went away and I could enjoy running again.
 
2013-01-28 11:39:02 AM

Rustico: My experience is simple: ran using traditional padded shoes (fitted at renowned running stores) and developed problems with my legs; ran using minimalist shoes (Vibrams) and mid-strike and leg problems went away.

Entirely possible that had I run using modern shows AND a mid-strike stride I might not have ever developed the leg issues.


This is most likely very true, as the striking is really more important than whatever shoes you are wearing. It's just that by wearing minimalist shoes, the impact of the heel-strike will tell you very quickly that you are losing the mid-strike.

Whereas with traditional running shoes, if you aren't paying attention to your form,it's all-to-easy to fall back into the cushy squishiness of heel-striking.


// My preference for minimalist shoes isn't really for street running, but for trail and rock scrambling due to the "ground feel" and the ability to wrap my whole foot around things.
 
2013-01-28 11:39:24 AM
I tried convincing my girlfriend that minimalistic was the new black.

I was looking for something to give me increased workout and was healthier, with just enough protection.

So I tried some rubber that covered just the tip.
 
kab
2013-01-28 11:40:42 AM

SuperDuper28: That's just marketing doing it's job.


Indeed.

www.newsytype.com
 
2013-01-28 11:42:48 AM

BojanglesPaladin: Summary: some other researchers found a different group of Africans and found that they run barefoot, but land heel first. Which does not dispute anything regarding running barefoot.


Sure it does. Part of what caused the barefoot/minimalist-shoe fad was the claim that regular running shoes cause many of us to run unnaturally. This study suggests that there may be more variation in "natural" running styles than previously thought. Perhaps we didn't necessarily evolve to run as midfoot strikers. As others on this thread have noted, minimalist shoes works for them, but I think it's a YMMV type deal. Minimalists shoes aren't a panacea and I've yet to see any research that shows that even on average minimalist shoes prevent more injuries than otherwise.
 
2013-01-28 11:47:05 AM
I work at a shoe store, and sell a fair amount of minimalist shoes. I can honestly say that 95% of people buying minimalist shoes are insufferable douchebags who don't have a clue what the benefits/disadvantages to them are.

That said, the other 5% are pretty cool and knowledgable on minimalist shoes. I've been running competitively for years and thankfully have always ran with a midfoot strike. I do own several pair of minimalist shoes, though I don't really run with them anymore.

The advantages of these shoes are quite obvious, but many don't understand that you need a lengthy period to get used to the complete lack of cushion and support and then wonder why thy get hurt. Those folks who do take their time to get used to it tend to love the minimalis shoes.
And if anyone is looking to try them out - check out the New Balance minimalist models. They are much more comfortable and the design blows Vibrams out of the water.

/just my two cents.
 
2013-01-28 11:48:12 AM

stuhayes2010: I like running in these. I can't run as fast because of lack of cushioning, but I do feel that I use more leg muscles and the run feels more "natural" or fluid. I guess I am smug or a hipster or something.


[www.northwestmilitary.com image 483x304]

/jogs with regular shoes too.


You know why I hate those shoes? I could not ever where them. Two of my toes are connected past the nuckle on both feet. I feel that there is some bias in that they don't make those shoes for people like me.

//This is true.
 
2013-01-28 11:53:07 AM

seadoo2006: stuhayes2010: I like running in these. I can't run as fast because of lack of cushioning, but I do feel that I use more leg muscles and the run feels more "natural" or fluid. I guess I am smug or a hipster or something.


[www.northwestmilitary.com image 483x304]

/jogs with regular shoes too.

No, you're just annihilating your hip bones ... you should ask my grandfather that used to run with Jesse Owens back in the days before cork running tracks ... yeah ... enjoy those hip replacement surgeries ...

You want the softest impact running exercises you can find ... cork tracks, padded shoes, anything to reduce the strain on bones and muscles due to repetitive impact.


Are you an orthopedic surgeon, kinesiology graduate degree holder, or just an armchair scientist with a sample size of one? It's tough to tell from here.
 
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