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2013-01-28 09:57:38 AM
Bold headline, subby...
 
2013-01-28 11:00:20 AM
Well, seeing as how he cannot live and cannot die, a carnival should drag him around through the desert.
 
2013-01-28 11:00:43 AM
You'll never see him under the see.
 
2013-01-28 11:02:50 AM
Huh. I thought he was dead.
 
2013-01-28 11:04:06 AM
That is just spite.
 
2013-01-28 11:04:25 AM
Ozzy should be happy.
 
2013-01-28 11:10:01 AM
I guess it's good they decided to try this after seven years...
 
2013-01-28 11:11:17 AM
Ariel Sharon is probably one of the most vile, murdering, sons of biatches to have ever lived.

I hope he can think, feel, and experience the utter terror inherent in being able to experience reality, but unable to interact with it.
 
2013-01-28 11:13:09 AM

Arkanaut: Huh. I thought he was dead.


Not quite, yet.
 
2013-01-28 11:14:11 AM
'Ooooooooooo lives in hospital ward in IC? AR-i-EL SHAR-ON!
Pudgy and comatose and Jewish is he! AR-i-EL SHAR-ON!
 
2013-01-28 11:17:21 AM

Rindred: 'Ooooooooooo lives in hospital ward in IC? AR-i-EL SHAR-ON!
Pudgy and comatose and Jewish is he! AR-i-EL SHAR-ON!


You are a bad, bad person.

/and I'm going to hell for laughing at that
//+1 Funny for you
 
2013-01-28 11:21:09 AM
Perfect. Crab and vegetables pairs nicely.
 
2013-01-28 11:23:55 AM
And this is my absolute worst nightmare. Seven years in an unresponsive body, utterly trapped. And it's not like he was young, when the stroke hit. He was 77, he had lived long enough to see the results of his life. Why would his family want him to barely exist, trapped between this life and eternity? I understand about needing to have time to goodbye, and grieve, but seven years just seems like torture. Both to him and to his family.


Oh, and subby, loved the headline. I only dropped in here to say that. Just got distracted by the facts.
 
2013-01-28 11:29:20 AM
Sharon proved, once and for all, that the Palestinians will never accept the existence of Israel. Naturally the whole world hates him for it.

/even the people he proved correct hate him for the price paid in Israeli lives and settlements to establish that proof
 
2013-01-28 11:31:10 AM
Is he way on the other side of the Hudson, deep in the bosom of suburbia?
 
2013-01-28 11:32:18 AM

Litig8r: Ariel Sharon is probably one of the most vile, murdering, sons of biatches to have ever lived.

I hope he can think, feel, and experience the utter terror inherent in being able to experience reality, but unable to interact with it.


But when you criticize Israeli officials, it's as if you marched all 6 million Jews to the gas chambers yourself.
 
2013-01-28 11:34:20 AM

Litig8r: Ariel Sharon is probably one of the most vile, murdering, sons of biatches to have ever lived.

I hope he can think, feel, and experience the utter terror inherent in being able to experience reality, but unable to interact with it.


Hi Hitler, how's it going?
 
2013-01-28 11:37:19 AM

namegoeshere: Arkanaut: Huh. I thought he was dead.

Not quite, yet.


He can't go for a walk yet, though.
 
2013-01-28 11:38:14 AM
Can we test Obama next?
 
2013-01-28 11:41:23 AM

namegoeshere: Arkanaut: Huh. I thought he was dead.

Not quite, yet.

www.donttellmetheending.com

/bet he feels happy
 
2013-01-28 11:42:49 AM

Thunderpipes: Litig8r: Ariel Sharon is probably one of the most vile, murdering, sons of biatches to have ever lived.

I hope he can think, feel, and experience the utter terror inherent in being able to experience reality, but unable to interact with it.

Hi Hitler, how's it going?


So you're going to defend a man that had his forces surround a refugee camp, prevent anyone from fleeing, and then allowed militias to enter and slaughter every man, woman and child in the camp?
 
2013-01-28 11:44:40 AM
I bet he was really pulling for Dec. 21, 2012. Damn Mayans!!!
 
2013-01-28 11:46:55 AM
My theory is that Sharon is the Beast from the Land of the Book of Revelation. The Beast was wounded unto to death but amazed everybody by miraculously recovering. He was given power by the Beast from the Sea, which is America, or possibly Europe, or the UN.

Since Sharon was much more pragmatic than anybody in the current Knesset, he will come out of his coma, resume power, and make peace with the Palestinians in exchange for land.

But "peace shall destroy many". Outraged by the peace, Christian fundamentalists in the US and the Arab nations will wage war on Israel and it will all end on the plains of Megiddo (just past the Golan Heights, on the road from Damascus to Jerusalem).

The Beast from the Sea will be Obama or some other world leader that the Christian Right hates as much as a Two State Solution, Peace with Muslims, and not getting their way all the time.

And naturally, the Image of the Beast, which speaks with a loud voice, is Fox News.

So we're good until my Sharona comes out of his coma. It'll take him some time to resume power and when he does, we have 7.5 years until Doomsday. Or something.

Interpretations of the Book of Revelation are all over the place, like interpretations of Nostramus, whose quatrians have been used over and over again for centuries by people who interpret them as applying to their own country rather than France. Anything that vague is sure to be controversial.
 
2013-01-28 11:51:40 AM
Only 20 posts in and we've already got:

1. Posters criticizing Sharon for being a war criminal who slaughtered Palestinians
2. Posters criticizing Sharon for being too soft on Palestine and betraying the Israelis
3. Posters accusing Sharon critics of being anti-Semites
4. Posters criticizing posters accusing Sharon critics of being anti-Semites

Yep, pretty much all the abses have been covered.
 
2013-01-28 11:52:26 AM
*bases
 
2013-01-28 11:54:20 AM
i28.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-28 11:55:37 AM
Litig8r:

Ariel Sharon is probably one of the most vile, murdering, sons of biatches to have ever lived.

I hope he can think, feel, and experience the utter terror inherent in being able to experience reality, but unable to interact with it.


This.
 
2013-01-28 11:58:23 AM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: *bases


Sure you didn't mean "abscesses?"

/it's a lot of letters to miss
//seems more fitting though
 
2013-01-28 12:00:30 PM
groupieblog.files.wordpress.com

RIP SHARONA
 
2013-01-28 12:00:53 PM
Ariel Sharon is "waking-up."

According to Rev. 17:7-11?
 
2013-01-28 12:09:47 PM

Thunderpipes: Litig8r: Ariel Sharon is probably one of the most vile, murdering, sons of biatches to have ever lived.

I hope he can think, feel, and experience the utter terror inherent in being able to experience reality, but unable to interact with it.

Hi Hitler, how's it going?


Fair enough; I'm both Jewish and self-loathing.
 
2013-01-28 12:16:21 PM

Litig8r: Ariel Sharon is probably one of the most vile, murdering, sons of biatches to have ever lived.

I hope he can think, feel, and experience the utter terror inherent in being able to experience reality, but unable to interact with it.


But mostly, he's in Israeli and that's all you actually care about.
 
2013-01-28 12:21:43 PM

Im_Gumby: namegoeshere: Arkanaut: Huh. I thought he was dead.

Not quite, yet.
[www.donttellmetheending.com image 800x441]

/bet he feels happy


Look at this stuff....isn't it neat?
 
2013-01-28 12:47:03 PM
Interestingly enough, Ultra-Orthodox right wing settlers cast a Jewish Death Curse shortly before the stroke. Sharon laughed this off. He's not laughing now....
 
2013-01-28 12:58:32 PM
The plug.

Pull it already.
 
2013-01-28 12:59:58 PM

Tatterdemalian: Sharon proved, once and for all, that the Palestinians will never accept the existence of Israel.


Sabra and Shatila, you mean?
 
2013-01-28 01:01:02 PM

sorhed: So you're going to defend a man that had his forces surround a refugee camp, prevent anyone from fleeing, and then allowed militias to enter and slaughter every man, woman and child in the camp?


You forgot to mention that his forces fired flares to illuminate the camps while the slaughter was going on.
 
2013-01-28 01:03:08 PM
I expected a singing Mr. Krabs
 
2013-01-28 01:10:56 PM
what, no "I'm not dead yet" Monty Python references?
I am disappoint.
 
2013-01-28 01:24:41 PM
Scientists showed Mr. Sharon, 84, pictures of his family, had him listen to a recording of the voice of one of his sons and used tactile stimulation a kick to the balls to assess the extent of his brain's response.
 
2013-01-28 01:24:48 PM

Just_a_Bear: what, no "I'm not dead yet" Monty Python references?
I am disappoint.


O_o
 
2013-01-28 01:29:16 PM
My family would've barely given me 7 weeks, much less years, in a vegetative state before putting me down as per my instructions*.
/*suffocated by boobies
 
2013-01-28 01:32:37 PM
Huh? Crabs are not kosher.
 
2013-01-28 01:52:13 PM

randomjsa: Litig8r:

Ariel Sharon is probably one of the most vile, murdering, sons of biatches to have ever lived.

I hope he can think, feel, and experience the utter terror inherent in being able to experience reality, but unable to interact with it.

But mostly, he's in Israeli and that's all you actually care about.


You know, one can carry anti-anti-Semitism a bit too far.

Ariel Sharon is not "just any Jewish Israeli."

There are people of my own ethnic/regional background who were vile murdering scum: Charlie Manson for one. Yet most Appalachian "Scotch-Irish" are just ordinary people, as most Israeli Jews must be.

If you can't tell the difference between a homicidal thug and an ordinary human being, or worse, if you won't admit the difference for some political reason, there's something wrong with you.

There are righteous Gentiles so there might also be nefarious Jews. And few Israeli Prime Ministers were worse human beings than Ariel Sharon.
 
2013-01-28 01:56:15 PM
Down in da Hell
My ass was burning til I started learning
Down in da Hell
I was a Monstah now know bettah
Down in Da Hell

More likely an organ harvested from Israe'ls live organ doner farm of Palestian ploitical prisoners brought back Jabbah the Murdering Racist
 
2013-01-28 02:12:29 PM

orbister: sorhed:

So you're going to defend a man that had his forces surround a refugee camp, prevent anyone from fleeing, and then allowed militias to enter and slaughter every man, woman and child in the camp?

You forgot to mention that his forces fired flares to illuminate the camps while the slaughter was going on.


Ah yes, the Sabra and Shatila massacre (link). For which the Israeli government's own Commission of Inquiry into the Events at the Refugee Camps in Beirut (link), in a document later posted to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs' website here (link), declared Ariel Ben-Dvora Sheinerman (link) personally responsible.

I could think of worse things to wish on such an evil-doer, such as adding certain complications to his current condition, but what he's got already will do.
 
2013-01-28 02:16:13 PM
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2013-01-28 02:17:40 PM

xanadian: Bold Tref headline, subby...


FTFY
 
2013-01-28 02:21:28 PM
Both life and death are too mainstream for him
 
2013-01-28 03:00:28 PM

the_vegetarian_cannibal: Only 20 posts in and we've already got:

1. Posters criticizing Sharon for being a war criminal who slaughtered Palestinians
2. Posters criticizing Sharon for being too soft on Palestine and betraying the Israelis
3. Posters accusing Sharon critics of being anti-Semites
4. Posters criticizing posters accusing Sharon critics of being anti-Semites

Yep, pretty much all the abses have been covered.


Don't forget his new theme song!
 
2013-01-28 03:01:03 PM

The One True TheDavid: Ah yes, the Sabra and Shatila massacre (link). For which the Israeli government's own Commission of Inquiry into the Events at the Refugee Camps in Beirut (link), in a document later posted to the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs' website here (link), declared Ariel Ben-Dvora Sheinerman (link) personally responsible.


The ones who committed the Sabra and Shatila massacre were lebanese arabs. They were sent by Sharon's forces to fight PLO terrorists. But, in the great arab tradition (See karantina, Damour, Tal az-Zaatar, Khiam, Safra, Zahle, Ehden etc..etc and so on) they decided to slaughter everyone there, women and children included.

From your own link: "It concluded that direct responsibility rested with the Gemayel Phalangists led by Fadi Frem, and that no Israelis were deemed directly responsible, although Israel was held to be indirectly responsible". Israel forgot who they were dealing with and they should have acted accordingly. Not to mention that Kahan Commission was fronted by Yona Efrat, Sharon's rival, which probably lead to the commission's results.
 
2013-01-28 03:22:36 PM
Aids is a terrible disease.
 
2013-01-28 03:24:52 PM

Digital Communist: Aids is a terrible disease.


Yasser, it sure is!
 
2013-01-28 03:30:23 PM

The One True TheDavid: You know, one can carry anti-anti-Semitism a bit too far.

Ariel Sharon is not "just any Jewish Israeli."

There are people of my own ethnic/regional background who were vile murdering scum: Charlie Manson for one. Yet most Appalachian "Scotch-Irish" are just ordinary people, as most Israeli Jews must be.

If you can't tell the difference between a homicidal thug and an ordinary human being, or worse, if you won't admit the difference for some political reason, there's something wrong with you.

There are righteous Gentiles so there might also be nefarious Jews. And few Israeli Prime Ministers were worse human beings than Ariel Sharon.


The level of visceral hate in expressing the opinion that somebody deserves a fate worse than death... and to suffer it for years... Is more than just "This guy did something terrible once".

That sort of hate comes from hating Israel and finding a scape goat in the form of Ariel Sharon to make the poster child. Then there is fact that Sharon was instrumental time and time again in defeating Israel's enemies and I would be willing to bet a crisp clean dollar bill that that he doesn't have that sort of sentiment toward any of the terrorists hiding behind women and children while doing their level best to inflict pain, death, and suffering on innocent people.

That is to say I think his severe outrage is entirely subjective and reserved only for the monsters he has some other reason to feel animosity toward.

So I say again, the fact that he's an Israeli is all that actually matters.
 
2013-01-28 03:54:34 PM

randomjsa: The One True TheDavid: You know, one can carry anti-anti-Semitism a bit too far.

Ariel Sharon is not "just any Jewish Israeli."

There are people of my own ethnic/regional background who were vile murdering scum: Charlie Manson for one. Yet most Appalachian "Scotch-Irish" are just ordinary people, as most Israeli Jews must be.

If you can't tell the difference between a homicidal thug and an ordinary human being, or worse, if you won't admit the difference for some political reason, there's something wrong with you.

There are righteous Gentiles so there might also be nefarious Jews. And few Israeli Prime Ministers were worse human beings than Ariel Sharon.

The level of visceral hate in expressing the opinion that somebody deserves a fate worse than death... and to suffer it for years... Is more than just "This guy did something terrible once".

That sort of hate comes from hating Israel and finding a scape goat in the form of Ariel Sharon to make the poster child. Then there is fact that Sharon was instrumental time and time again in defeating Israel's enemies and I would be willing to bet a crisp clean dollar bill that that he doesn't have that sort of sentiment toward any of the terrorists hiding behind women and children while doing their level best to inflict pain, death, and suffering on innocent people.

That is to say I think his severe outrage is entirely subjective and reserved only for the monsters he has some other reason to feel animosity toward.

So I say again, the fact that he's an Israeli is all that actually matters.


He didn't do one awful thing once. As a commander in the IDF he repeatedly committed crimes against humanity, and then as a politician supported and enacted a policy of apartheid, if not outright genocide, against a marginalized people.

That's a rap sheet few Israelis have. So no, it's not because he's Israeli, but because he's a war criminal, a racist and a zealot.
 
2013-01-28 04:00:24 PM

orbister: sorhed: So you're going to defend a man that had his forces surround a refugee camp, prevent anyone from fleeing, and then allowed militias to enter and slaughter every man, woman and child in the camp?

You forgot to mention that his forces fired flares to illuminate the camps while the slaughter was going on.


NEVER AGAIN!

...to the Jews. Slaughtering goyim is fine. Praiseworthy, even, if the goyim are occupying jewish Lebensraum.
 
2013-01-28 04:10:52 PM
Just wish Israelis would stop being nice, take off the kid gloves, and start giving the terrorists what they deserve. Launch a rocket from your house? That neighborhood is leveled. Rinse, repeat, until attacks stop.

If the terrorists, or Farkers were in charge, they would not show any restraint towards Israel, that's for sure. Cattle cars and oven companies' stock would be soaring.
 
2013-01-28 05:28:52 PM

Arkanaut: Huh. I thought he was dead.


No hes only mostly dead
 
2013-01-28 06:09:25 PM

xanadian: Bold headline, subby...


See my land, see my land, it is not just merely sand.
 
2013-01-28 07:15:27 PM
randomjsa:

The level of visceral hate in expressing the opinion that somebody deserves a fate worse than death... and to suffer it for years... Is more than just "This guy did something terrible once".

Once? Sharon was minister of defense and then did a couple stints as Prime Minister that showed him to be belicose and vicious. Then there was his memorable publicity stunt in September 2000 where he led a few dozen of his closest heavily-armed friends to the Temple Mount on a Muslim holy day for no purpose than to start another round of intifada and repression.

"D[oing] something terrible once" is something driving while intoxicated and crashing into a church van full of old ladies.

This guy did the equivalent of crashing while sober into vans full of old ladies at the head of an army doing the same thing for DECADES.


So I say again, the fact that he's an Israeli is all that actually matters.

Sorry but no. No vile homicidal scumbag should get a pass just because he's Jewish -- which is what you mean, not "Israeli."

It was wrong in Rwanda when both "races" were black. It was wrong in Spain in the late '30s when both sides were ethnic Spaniards. And it'd be wrong if the killing were of Israeli Jews by Israeli Jews, or of Scotch-Irish Appalachians by Scotch-Irish Appalachians.

Or are you too warped by your particular version of ultranationalism to see that? Fascism is a mental and moral sickness regardless of who has it.

Sending rabid thugs into a ghetto at night to butcher women and children and lighting the night so they can see to do it better was wrong when the Nazis sent Ukrainians to do it and it's still wrong when Sharon and his ilk send Maronites to do it.

As for his responsibility, what if he had barred the way to the camps with the IDF? Or does a pregnant woman deserve to have her fetus ripped out from her belly because she's not Jewish?

There are many observant Orthodox Jewish Israeli Zionist critics of Sharon and such people and of their policies.

And there are many people of all religions, ethnicities and politics whose policies and rhetoric I oppose yet who I don't call 'vile homicidal scumbag.'

And then there are people like you who think its perfectly okay to commit any abomination against anybody so long as the criminal is of your "nation" and the victim isn't. Maybe they can find a bigger bed so you can snuggle up with your hero.
 
2013-01-28 09:36:46 PM

cherryl taggart: And this is my absolute worst nightmare. Seven years in an unresponsive body, utterly trapped. And it's not like he was young, when the stroke hit. He was 77, he had lived long enough to see the results of his life. Why would his family want him to barely exist, trapped between this life and eternity? I understand about needing to have time to goodbye, and grieve, but seven years just seems like torture. Both to him and to his family.


So much this. I don't know the specifics of this case, but whenever studies come out saying that they can find evidence of brain activity in people previously thought to be in a persistant vegetative state, that's what goes through my mind.

It's particularly sick when you have different branches of families fighting against each other over switching off the life support machinery, as happened, if I'm not mistaken, with Terry Schiavo.

I can think of no greater torture than my fully alert consciousness being in control of a broken body, that can do nothing for itself. Being kept alive by machinery when my time has already passed.

By broken body, incidentally, I mean utterly broken. Not just "can lead a normal life in a wheelchair". I'm thinking of the British guy with locked-in syndrome who campaigned for his right to die. And was denied it. And I'm thinking of my grandmother, who kept a living will, and was mortified to contract a c.diff infection in hospital; in her own words she spent her last days "shiatting her life away".

It's an issue of dignity, being able to say, "yep, I'm done".

We practise euthanasia on our pets when they're broken beyond repair, why do we not respect people as much?

/Didn't mean this post to be such a preachy csb.
//But there you go.
 
2013-01-28 11:09:58 PM

randomjsa: The level of visceral hate in expressing the opinion that somebody deserves a fate worse than death... and to suffer it for years... Is more than just "This guy did something terrible once".


I don't want to interrupt you labeling people as anti-semites, but I do want to reiterate that the Ultra-Orthodox Jewish community actually organized a death curse ritual because Sharon was talking about pulling out of the occupied territories.

Religious elders. Paragons of Jewish Virtues. Together, they cast a magical ritual to hurt and hopefully kill the guy. I guess it's icing on the cake for them that he actually had a stroke.

So, are they anti-semites? Could it be they just serve much darker and more concealed needs?

Concerned readers want to know.
 
2013-01-29 03:45:53 AM

The One True TheDavid: Once? Sharon was minister of defense and then did a couple stints as Prime Minister that showed him to be belicose and vicious. Then there was his memorable publicity stunt in September 2000 where he led a few dozen of his closest heavily-armed friends to the Temple Mount on a Muslim holy day for no purpose than to start another round of intifada and repression.


Bullcrap. The palestinians admitted themselves that the second Intifadah was planned out months in advance.

The One True TheDavid: Sending rabid thugs into a ghetto at night to butcher women and children


Which he didn't. You have no farking clue what you're talking about. You're blaming him for arabs acting like rabid savages.

The One True TheDavid: There are many observant Orthodox Jewish Israeli Zionist critics of Sharon and such people and of their policies.


Criticism, sure. Not knowing what you're talking about like yourself is something else.
 
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