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2013-01-28 01:04:42 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Haha. Your monolithic kernel was a terrible idea for a device that's primarily a tablet.

I'm just going to assume that it's actually 22.5 gigs and the other half is actually a factory restore partition of that same bundle of useless drivers and bloatware....


Microsoft-sold Windows devices don't come with bloatware. They're given clean installs, short of other Microsoft programs.

The Surface RT didn't include any; I don't see this one including any either.
 
2013-01-28 01:06:55 PM
Believe it or not, I have customers who actually want Surface Pro as an alternative to a full-featured point of sale system. They're already getting completely hosed on POS costs for extremely underpowered hardware, and since these guys are grown-up computers, they're just fine with some kind of oddball stuff like wireless USB hubs for printing support (since their application requires a local receipt printer for some stupid reason) and the like.

Also, having 80GB of free solid-state space isn't exactly roughing it; it's more space than is available on any iOS device or almost any Android tablet. Business systems I support normally wind up using about 60GB of whatever drive I use with them, including apps and updates. Betweem SkyDrive/Google Drive/Dropbox, there's tons of places to put personal data without filling up a local disk.

Finally, I'm pretty sure these are meant to be business machines suitable for fleet deployments, much like a Thinkpad or Latitude machine. Typically, there's a bit of a trade-off between reliability and slightly less than exciting hardware specs... though to be honest, anything with an i5 and a decent SSD is going to be pretty nice no matter what. But yes, these things are expensive compared to shiatty consumer laptops that happen to also have i5s and 128GB SSDs.
 
2013-01-28 01:08:35 PM
Remember that the reason these things do not sell is the hardware manufactures fault.

Not MicroSoft.

Not MicroSoft.

They keep telling everyone that it is somebody else's fault these don't sell.

If only someone else could build the hardware that worked correctly then these things would fly off the shelves.

It's not MS's fault. Really.

/developers developers developers
//all writing iOS applications
 
2013-01-28 01:08:57 PM

gingerjet: UberDave: Well, there's also the fact that it is way overpriced.  Hell, you can buy a Win8 touchscreen laptop for cheaper.  I don't know what the heck MS is thinking.  Maybe they are hoping it will be picked up in the business world.

You can get a MacBook Air cheaper.

/its like Microsoft is trying to fail at this business


It's not like it's hard to look this shiat up.

Apple's 11 inch MacBook Air - Link
Price - $999
Storage - 64 gig
Processor - 1.7Ghz Core i5
RAM - 4GB 1600MHz
Display - 1366 x 768
Weight - 2.38 lbs

Microsoft's Surface Pro - Link
Price - $899
Storage - 64 gig
Processor- Core i5 (speed unknown)
RAM - 4 GB
Display - 1920 x 1080 Touchscreen w/ stylus input
Weight 2 lbs

So with the Surface Pro, you get the same processing specs, a much higher res screen, a dual input touch screen and less weight for $100 less? Yep, that's a total fail.
 
2013-01-28 01:11:16 PM

doglover: What I don't get is who upgrades so damn often. I have a Xoom. Had it for over a year. It's still workin' fine. I'm not gonna pay a bunch extra for a freakin' new tablet when mine's still up and runnin'.


I've had my xoom forever, still use it today, I have it running 4.1.1 JB and oc'd to 1.5ghz(can do 1.7ghz but it gets too hot), still out does almost every tablet.
 
2013-01-28 01:15:04 PM

MrSteve007: gingerjet: UberDave: Well, there's also the fact that it is way overpriced.  Hell, you can buy a Win8 touchscreen laptop for cheaper.  I don't know what the heck MS is thinking.  Maybe they are hoping it will be picked up in the business world.

You can get a MacBook Air cheaper.

/its like Microsoft is trying to fail at this business

It's not like it's hard to look this shiat up.

Apple's 11 inch MacBook Air - Link
Price - $999
Storage - 64 gig
Processor - 1.7Ghz Core i5
RAM - 4GB 1600MHz
Display - 1366 x 768
Weight - 2.38 lbs

Microsoft's Surface Pro - Link
Price - $899
Storage - 64 gig
Processor- Core i5 (speed unknown)
RAM - 4 GB
Display - 1920 x 1080 Touchscreen w/ stylus input
Weight 2 lbs

So with the Surface Pro, you get the same processing specs, a much higher res screen, a dual input touch screen and less weight for $100 less? Yep, that's a total fail.


Shhhhhhhhh. We can't like MS products here.
 
2013-01-28 01:20:56 PM
Microsoft may have sold as few as 230,000 Surface RT tablets worldwide

Maybe the problem is that I can't buy one even if I want to, because I don't live in one of the ten countries where it's being sold? Fark Microsoft, this is the real FAIL.
 
2013-01-28 01:22:29 PM
Didn't read TFA of course, but did they mention the SD slot?
 
2013-01-28 01:23:28 PM

MrSteve007: gingerjet: UberDave: Well, there's also the fact that it is way overpriced.  Hell, you can buy a Win8 touchscreen laptop for cheaper.  I don't know what the heck MS is thinking.  Maybe they are hoping it will be picked up in the business world.

You can get a MacBook Air cheaper.

/its like Microsoft is trying to fail at this business

It's not like it's hard to look this shiat up.

Apple's 11 inch MacBook Air - Link
Price - $999
Storage - 64 gig
Processor - 1.7Ghz Core i5
RAM - 4GB 1600MHz
Display - 1366 x 768
Weight - 2.38 lbs

Microsoft's Surface Pro - Link
Price - $899
Storage - 64 gig
Processor- Core i5 (speed unknown)
RAM - 4 GB
Display - 1920 x 1080 Touchscreen w/ stylus input
Weight 2 lbs

So with the Surface Pro, you get the same processing specs, a much higher res screen, a dual input touch screen and less weight for $100 less? Yep, that's a total fail.


Don't forget though...touch keyboard $100
4 hour battery life vs 8
Laptop you can use on any height desk...vs one that you can't even use on an airline seat tray

/justsayin
 
2013-01-28 01:26:48 PM
Oh and one more thing, that display sounds great..but windows desktop @1080p in 11 inches of space.....yeah...good luck using windows desktop with that....
 
2013-01-28 01:27:05 PM

moel: MrSteve007: gingerjet: UberDave: Well, there's also the fact that it is way overpriced.  Hell, you can buy a Win8 touchscreen laptop for cheaper.  I don't know what the heck MS is thinking.  Maybe they are hoping it will be picked up in the business world.

You can get a MacBook Air cheaper.

/its like Microsoft is trying to fail at this business

It's not like it's hard to look this shiat up.

Apple's 11 inch MacBook Air - Link
Price - $999
Storage - 64 gig
Processor - 1.7Ghz Core i5
RAM - 4GB 1600MHz
Display - 1366 x 768
Weight - 2.38 lbs

Microsoft's Surface Pro - Link
Price - $899
Storage - 64 gig
Processor- Core i5 (speed unknown)
RAM - 4 GB
Display - 1920 x 1080 Touchscreen w/ stylus input
Weight 2 lbs

So with the Surface Pro, you get the same processing specs, a much higher res screen, a dual input touch screen and less weight for $100 less? Yep, that's a total fail.

Don't forget though...touch keyboard $100
4 hour battery life vs 8
Laptop you can use on any height desk...vs one that you can't even use on an airline seat tray

/justsayin


The laptop isn't a tablet.
 
2013-01-28 01:30:39 PM

Marine1: Microsoft-sold Windows devices don't come with bloatware.


What do you call the bundled Bing and Xbox apps? Just because they're Microsoft's add-on crap aimed at marketing other products they're not add-on crap aimed at marketing other products?
 
2013-01-28 01:33:00 PM
This is the tablet we've been waiting for since the inception of tablets. It runs a real desktop OS. It's stylus-friendly and finger-friendly. It can be used with a keyboard and other peripherals. This is the tablet that could finally replace those old Windows XP tablets you see at medical facilities. This is the tablet I would like to have at work to carry around the office when I want to show someone something.

I don't think devoting 1/3 of the hard drive to OS is bad.. but yeah, releasing a 64GB model where 40GB+ is used by the OS is a bit much.

That said, it'll probably be crap and not even remotely live up to what it's supposed to be.The price is ridiculous, too.

Don't expect it to get iPad-level hype. That's not the point. But this is the first tablet in the better part of a decade that has a chance to break into the business market. And if it does, you may see more consumers with them since consumers tend to like to use at home what they use at work.
 
2013-01-28 01:35:40 PM
I still think one of Microsoft's biggest mistakes with this was not including the Touch Cover with the tablet automatically (or +$30 for the Type Cover substituted). It's a deceptive substantial extra expense.
 
2013-01-28 01:40:53 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Marine1: Microsoft-sold Windows devices don't come with bloatware.

What do you call the bundled Bing and Xbox apps? Just because they're Microsoft's add-on crap aimed at marketing other products they're not add-on crap aimed at marketing other products?


I call it integration with the ecosystem. Bloatware is the crap that third-parties make to offer a way for OEMs to "differentiate" their products. It's coded by lobotomized monkeys and is damned near impossible to remove. After using Windows 8 on a tablet, I can confirm that yes, it does add to the experience in a non-intrusive way, and if it really bothers you that much, you hold down on the icon until the bar appears on the bottom of the screen with the "uninstall" button on it.

/you'd be calling them stupid for NOT including those things if they didn't.
 
2013-01-28 01:41:33 PM
I will be buying a new tablet sometime soon. I would love it to be the new Microsoft one like this one in TFA which runs a full version of Windows 8. That way I could navigate through my home network and play my files directly over my LAN.

But it's just too damn expensive. So instead I'll be getting a new Android tablet or iPad and continuing to use Plex instead. Plex is awesome and all, but I like the simplicity of just browsing my LAN instead.
 
2013-01-28 01:41:57 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: In your case, going from a Nook color, to a Nook Tablet HD, the difference is huge.
Even at the same price point, going to a Nexus 7 is a big step up.
It's not so much the latest thing, it's you have a very underpowered tablet.


Oh, I don't argue with that. It's just that my tablet needs are pretty minimal, especially in a 7" profile. Reading during my train commute, and watching movies/TV shows during lunch. For the Nook, that accounts for 95% of my usage. An HD display would definitely be better for the videos, but eh -- still not all that big a deal for me. I do anticipate getting whatever the current Nexus 7 is when the Nook finally dies.
 
2013-01-28 01:45:38 PM

mongbiohazard: I will be buying a new tablet sometime soon. I would love it to be the new Microsoft one like this one in TFA which runs a full version of Windows 8. That way I could navigate through my home network and play my files directly over my LAN.

But it's just too damn expensive. So instead I'll be getting a new Android tablet or iPad and continuing to use Plex instead. Plex is awesome and all, but I like the simplicity of just browsing my LAN instead.


Try looking at the Acer Iconia W510. There are also offerings from Dell and Samsung, IIRC.

I think you'll see the price of Windows 8 tablets begin to fall along with advances in the Intel Atom line of processors. They're pretty good as-is, and when OEMs figure out that not everyone needs an i5 in their tablets, you'll see more offerings with the Atom configuration.
 
2013-01-28 01:50:59 PM

likefunbutnot: Believe it or not, I have customers who actually want Surface Pro as an alternative to a full-featured point of sale system. They're already getting completely hosed on POS costs for extremely underpowered hardware, and since these guys are grown-up computers, they're just fine with some kind of oddball stuff like wireless USB hubs for printing support (since their application requires a local receipt printer for some stupid reason) and the like.


Why not do it with Android?
 
2013-01-28 01:52:33 PM

farkeruk: likefunbutnot: Believe it or not, I have customers who actually want Surface Pro as an alternative to a full-featured point of sale system. They're already getting completely hosed on POS costs for extremely underpowered hardware, and since these guys are grown-up computers, they're just fine with some kind of oddball stuff like wireless USB hubs for printing support (since their application requires a local receipt printer for some stupid reason) and the like.

Why not do it with Android?


Active Directory and a completely new system to deal with.

/Android is the new Windows 9.x
 
2013-01-28 01:54:15 PM

Egoy3k: You guys are both lame. I have an even older tablet and it works just fine.

[www.compromise-agreements.org image 285x389]
hotlinked


Oh please, that's just a toy; you can't do any serious computing on one of those. Get yourself a real tablet:
www.nordisco.com

/hot
 
2013-01-28 01:56:44 PM

moel: MrSteve007: gingerjet: UberDave: Well, there's also the fact that it is way overpriced.  Hell, you can buy a Win8 touchscreen laptop for cheaper.  I don't know what the heck MS is thinking.  Maybe they are hoping it will be picked up in the business world.

You can get a MacBook Air cheaper.

/its like Microsoft is trying to fail at this business

It's not like it's hard to look this shiat up.

Apple's 11 inch MacBook Air - Link
Price - $999
Storage - 64 gig
Processor - 1.7Ghz Core i5
RAM - 4GB 1600MHz
Display - 1366 x 768
Weight - 2.38 lbs

Microsoft's Surface Pro - Link
Price - $899
Storage - 64 gig
Processor- Core i5 (speed unknown)
RAM - 4 GB
Display - 1920 x 1080 Touchscreen w/ stylus input
Weight 2 lbs

So with the Surface Pro, you get the same processing specs, a much higher res screen, a dual input touch screen and less weight for $100 less? Yep, that's a total fail.

Don't forget though...touch keyboard $100
4 hour battery life vs 8
Laptop you can use on any height desk...vs one that you can't even use on an airline seat tray

/justsayin


Plus like the article says the '64GB Hard Drive' isn't really anywhere close to 64GB. I have no clue, however how the MacBook compares in this area.

/don't like Macs one bit
//haven't run Windows in ~4 yrs, aside from a VB for After Effects
 
2013-01-28 02:03:21 PM

SanjiSasuke: Plus like the article says the '64GB Hard Drive' isn't really anywhere close to 64GB. I have no clue, however how the MacBook compares in this area.


The article doesn't say "64GB Hard Drive" anywhere because neither the Surface Pro nor MacBook Air have them. That said, the storage IS what's expected, they tell you the device capacity, not what's left after the OS is installed... you know, like every computer ever manufactured does too?
 
2013-01-28 02:06:41 PM

moel: Don't forget though...touch keyboard $100
4 hour battery life vs 8
Laptop you can use on any height desk...vs one that you can't even use on an airline seat tray

/justsayin


Ok, let's add a touch keyboard - the price is now the *same* as the cheapest MacBook Air, yet it still has a much better screen, touch and stylus input, weighs some 16% less and far more software available for it.

Also, on what planet does the 11 inch MacBook Air get 8 hours of battery life? Even Apple's own spec page says "up to 5 hours". The Surface RT gets 10 hours, and so far Microsoft says the Surface Pro gets half the RT's life. So that means the Surface Pro has the same amount of battery life to a MacBook Air, yet weighs quite a bit less.

And at least with my Surface RT, it works just fine on an airline tray. Why wouldn't it? It has a kickstand. The Pro version has one too.
media.bestofmicro.com

Call me when Apple has a dual input tablet running a full version of OSX vs. a locked down mobile OS. Apple fanboys should get some new talking points, instead of relying on incorrect information to back up their "facts."
 
2013-01-28 02:08:15 PM

Marine1: Is this the one where everyone talks about how crappy a product they've never used is?


pretty much. a few threads down, the 120gb ipad is "cool". so eh, yeah , Fark tech is turning into 4chan-like credibility as of late.

The Angry Hand of God: It could have a 500GB hard drive, and I don't think anyone would care. The Surface is a mediocre idea aimed to fix a problem that didn't exist in the first place. Even if the price was slashed 50%, I don't see anyone really buying it.


You mean an active touch display that could potentially run photoshop and other programs unlike an iOS or Android device? nawww, nobody would want that.
 
2013-01-28 02:08:34 PM

ProfessorOhki: The article doesn't say "64GB Hard Drive" anywhere because neither the Surface Pro nor MacBook Air have them.


Both the Surface Pro and MacBook Air have 64 gig drives in their base configs . . .
 
2013-01-28 02:08:36 PM

MrSteve007: Ok, let's add a touch keyboard - the price is now the *same* as the cheapest MacBook Air, yet it still has a much better screen, touch and stylus input, weighs some 16% less and far more software available for it.


Air should be able to run OS X/Windows/Linux just fine assuming it's like the other MBs.
 
2013-01-28 02:11:09 PM

MrSteve007: moel: Don't forget though...touch keyboard $100
4 hour battery life vs 8
Laptop you can use on any height desk...vs one that you can't even use on an airline seat tray

/justsayin

Ok, let's add a touch keyboard - the price is now the *same* as the cheapest MacBook Air, yet it still has a much better screen, touch and stylus input, weighs some 16% less and far more software available for it.

Also, on what planet does the 11 inch MacBook Air get 8 hours of battery life? Even Apple's own spec page says "up to 5 hours". The Surface RT gets 10 hours, and so far Microsoft says the Surface Pro gets half the RT's life. So that means the Surface Pro has the same amount of battery life to a MacBook Air, yet weighs quite a bit less.

And at least with my Surface RT, it works just fine on an airline tray. Why wouldn't it? It has a kickstand. The Pro version has one too.
[media.bestofmicro.com image 450x201]

Call me when Apple has a dual input tablet running a full version of OSX vs. a locked down mobile OS. Apple fanboys should get some new talking points, instead of relying on incorrect information to back up their "facts."


On planet redmid17 it does. I was given a MAcBook Air to play around with whilst my Thinkpad was getting fixed. The worst battery life I got on a circa late 2011 Air was 6 hours, and half of that was spent actively running GoToMeeting (blech). I've hit 8 just doing day-to-day office work and browsing. The laptop hit automatic hibernate mode by then, but it lasted the entire time I was in the office.
 
2013-01-28 02:12:23 PM

MrSteve007: ProfessorOhki: The article doesn't say "64GB Hard Drive" anywhere because neither the Surface Pro nor MacBook Air have them.

Both the Surface Pro and MacBook Air have 64 gig drives in their base configs . . .


You didn't say "drive" you said "hard drive." Both have SSDs.

/pedantic man, awaaaaaaaaay
//Prior to 2010, there were MBAs with HDD though
 
2013-01-28 02:12:44 PM

farkeruk: Why not do it with Android?


As in, RDP in to the point of sale system? I suggested that. The software vendor does not want to support that usage scenario and since I'm nor willing to become the ultimate expert on somebody's goofy-ass POS to say what should and should not be acceptable, I just nod and do what people tell me.

I wouldn't mind finding POS systems that were Android native, but there seem to be a shiat ton that are just some kind of customized Microsoft Dynamics setup, and this is one of them.

/My other favorite customer system requires a daily dismount, backup, restore and remount of an MSSQL database every single day before it will work properly.
//For a hilarious good time, try teaching THAT to a room full of dental hygienists.
 
2013-01-28 02:15:40 PM

ProfessorOhki: Egoy3k: You guys are both lame. I have an even older tablet and it works just fine.

[www.compromise-agreements.org image 285x389]
hotlinked

Oh please, that's just a toy; you can't do any serious computing on one of those. Get yourself a real tablet:
[www.nordisco.com image 560x560]

/hot


I love those things. I'm an engineer who hardly ever does any design any more so I had a lot of those pads laying around. They all got used for designing minecraft structures and wiring.

The reality is though that more real engineering gets done on bar napkins than it does on expensive PCS with modern design software. We'd spend hours staring at a screen trying to figure out a problem only to give up and go for a brew. Sure enough the next day I'd pull a napkin out of my coat pocket and have the solution I needed. Sure the details get worked out on the computer but the basic ideas always seem to come when you aren't at the computer. Well that's my experience anyway.
 
2013-01-28 02:23:55 PM

redmid17: On planet redmid17 it does. I was given a MAcBook Air to play around with whilst my Thinkpad was getting fixed. The worst battery life I got on a circa late 2011 Air was 6 hours, and half of that was spent actively running GoToMeeting (blech). I've hit 8 just doing day-to-day office work and browsing. The laptop hit automatic hibernate mode by then, but it lasted the entire time I was in the office.


11 inch air, or 13? The 50% chubbier 13" Air does get 7+ hour battery life. The smaller 11" does not.

"The 11-inch MacBook Air's 35WH battery is the component that takes up most of the space internally, yet the capacity is equivalent to a 4-cell. That's not much, but Apple made the most of it. According to the company, the 11-inch MacBook Air will get you about 5 hours of Web surfing time. We tested it running down a MP4 video file in Mac OS 10.6.4, a more aggressive way of running down the battery than Web surfing. The 11-inch MacBook Air finished in 3 hours, 44 minutes."
 
2013-01-28 02:24:48 PM

Egoy3k: ProfessorOhki: Egoy3k: You guys are both lame. I have an even older tablet and it works just fine.

[www.compromise-agreements.org image 285x389]
hotlinked

Oh please, that's just a toy; you can't do any serious computing on one of those. Get yourself a real tablet:
[www.nordisco.com image 560x560]

/hot

I love those things. I'm an engineer who hardly ever does any design any more so I had a lot of those pads laying around. They all got used for designing minecraft structures and wiring.

The reality is though that more real engineering gets done on bar napkins than it does on expensive PCS with modern design software. We'd spend hours staring at a screen trying to figure out a problem only to give up and go for a brew. Sure enough the next day I'd pull a napkin out of my coat pocket and have the solution I needed. Sure the details get worked out on the computer but the basic ideas always seem to come when you aren't at the computer. Well that's my experience anyway.


images1.vat19.com

:)
 
2013-01-28 02:28:44 PM

ProfessorOhki: you know, like every computer ever manufactured does too?


When I buy a laptop or a desktop the hard drive is so big that what's eaten up by the OS doesn't matter. On a 64GB tablet? Eating up over 40GB is a lot of space to be eating up and taking away from the user.
 
2013-01-28 02:33:36 PM

ProfessorOhki: Air should be able to run OS X/Windows/Linux just fine assuming it's like the other MBs.


Ruins the damn battery life, though.  Apple is very good at managing the power on their devices.
 
2013-01-28 02:33:36 PM
This is half as disturbing as a Subway sammich missing 4 inches. By 4 inches, I mean one half to one inch, but If say it's four, it's four.
 
2013-01-28 02:35:56 PM

sno man: 45G of OS and bloatware?!?  nice.


No knuckle head. Most of the bloat is now downloaded as needed. What takes a good chunk is the system image (refresh feature so you don't need a PC to fix it), page file, etc. they probably also leave free x amount of space free to cache updates and use the refresh feature that keeps files.

Also who cares. It still has more storage for the buck and unlike the iPad you can extend the storage using cloud drives, symbolic links, or yes even a USB drive (which now you can get really, really small).
 
2013-01-28 02:38:46 PM

ProfessorOhki: SanjiSasuke: Plus like the article says the '64GB Hard Drive' isn't really anywhere close to 64GB. I have no clue, however how the MacBook compares in this area.

The article doesn't say "64GB Hard Drive" anywhere because neither the Surface Pro nor MacBook Air have them. That said, the storage IS what's expected, they tell you the device capacity, not what's left after the OS is installed... you know, like every computer ever manufactured does too?


Thats why I said I don't know how the Air stacks up once you account for the OS. I imagine with all the complaining, it has more free practical space.
 
2013-01-28 02:45:16 PM

MrSteve007: It's not like it's hard to look this shiat up.

Apple's 11 inch MacBook Air - Link
Price - $999
Storage - 64 gig
Processor - 1.7Ghz Core i5
RAM - 4GB 1600MHz
Display - 1366 x 768
Weight - 2.38 lbs

Microsoft's Surface Pro - Link
Price - $899
Storage - 64 gig
Processor- Core i5 (speed unknown)
RAM - 4 GB
Display - 1920 x 1080 Touchscreen w/ stylus input
Weight 2 lbs

So with the Surface Pro, you get the same processing specs, a much higher res screen, a dual input touch screen and less weight for $100 less? Yep, that's a total fail.


I bought an Asus Zenbook Prime in October for $899.
Screen size: 13.3"
Storage - 128GB (100GB after formatting/recovery partition, about 80 usable before I nuked bloatware)
1.7GHz Core i5
RAM - 4GB
Display - 1920x1080
Weight - 2.8lbs

It's essentially almost identical to an MBA in shape and construction, and the current model has a touchscreen (but retails for a bit more than I paid). That's probably a fairer comparison to the Surface - the Apple Tax tilts things in MS's favour a little otherwise.

/bought mine with Win7 and no touchscreen
//laughed because they were giving me a DISCOUNT to not get things I didn't want
 
2013-01-28 02:58:00 PM

SanjiSasuke: Thats why I said I don't know how the Air stacks up once you account for the OS. I imagine with all the complaining, it has more free practical space.


You'd be right, but that's primarily because Apple, unlike most PCs manufacturers, doesn't store a complete copy of its OS in a recovery partition. On my Asus laptop that sucker's eating about 12 gigs. Macs just have a small partition - a few hundred megs iirc - that contains a utility that connects to the internet and downloads the OS proper - 4GB according to Apple.

There are advantages and disadvantages. Apple's way, anyone on dialup or a mifi with small data plan who needs to restore their Mac can go eat shiat, basically. My 16mbit cable could do it in an hour or so, but my Asus restores in 15 minutes. On the other hand, there's more usable HD space, crucial on a single 128GB drive.

What's also neat about Apples is if you replace the drive on one now, there's actually a tiny utility in firmware that connects to wifi and boots off Apple's servers, just enough that it can download the recovery software and rebuild the computer, no OS discs needed at all. My Asus I had to burn an image of the recovery partition to a couple of DVDs, which will be fun if I ever need to use them because it's an ultrabook with no DVD drive... There are ways around it but it's less convenient than Apple's solution.
 
2013-01-28 02:58:49 PM

Lsherm: ProfessorOhki: Air should be able to run OS X/Windows/Linux just fine assuming it's like the other MBs.

Ruins the damn battery life, though.  Apple is very good at managing the power on their devices.


That and the Ubuntu/Mint/Debian drivers for the Air make using the touchpad feel like my fingers have crisco smeared all over them.
 
2013-01-28 03:00:51 PM

likefunbutnot: /My other favorite customer system requires a daily dismount, backup, restore and remount of an MSSQL database every single day before it will work properly.
//For a hilarious good time, try teaching THAT to a room full of dental hygienists.


As a SQL server developer.... WTF
 
2013-01-28 03:02:49 PM

ProfessorOhki: Egoy3k: You guys are both lame. I have an even older tablet and it works just fine.

[www.compromise-agreements.org image 285x389]
hotlinked

Oh please, that's just a toy; you can't do any serious computing on one of those. Get yourself a real tablet:
[www.nordisco.com image 560x560]

/hot


n00b.

geardiary.com

Mine even has rounded corners.
 
2013-01-28 03:13:12 PM

somedude210: to be fair, it is one of the first to have a usb connection. let alone USB 3.0


That's true... I don't have a USB connection on my goldfish. I don't have a USB connection on my kitchen table. I don't have a USB connection on my toaster. A Surface would be one of the first things in my house to have a USB connection.

To be fair, it wouldn't be on of the first TABLETS to have a USB connection. But it would still be one of the first "things".
 
2013-01-28 03:13:26 PM
Of course the OS is going to take a large amount of space. It's a Windows 8 tablet. Was that ever in doubt?
 
2013-01-28 03:15:41 PM

Intrepid00: Also who cares. It still has more storage for the buck and unlike the iPad you can extend the storage using cloud drives, symbolic links, or yes even a USB drive (which now you can get really, really small).


Do you even have the slightest idea what a "symbolic link" is?
 
2013-01-28 03:26:03 PM
I feel bad for anyone who buys a Microsoft tablet by accident.

But other than people who get bamboozled by a salesman, anyone who buys one of these things knows what he's getting. I'm not going to worry about it too much.

Microsoft's dismal record with mobile products for the last few years is no secret to anyone who pays any attention to the market. The only question anyone has about the Surface is whether it will be around as long as the Kin, Windows Phone 7, or the Zune. And, apart from the same morbid curiosity that makes all of us stare at car accidents, nobody really cares that much about the answer.
 
2013-01-28 03:35:06 PM

The Larch: I feel bad for anyone who buys a Microsoft tablet by accident.

But other than people who get bamboozled by a salesman, anyone who buys one of these things knows what he's getting. I'm not going to worry about it too much.

Microsoft's dismal record with mobile products for the last few years is no secret to anyone who pays any attention to the market. The only question anyone has about the Surface is whether it will be around as long as the Kin, Windows Phone 7, or the Zune. And, apart from the same morbid curiosity that makes all of us stare at car accidents, nobody really cares that much about the answer.


Of course, the major difference this time is that MS is now doing what MS does best: throw their Windows weight into it. Time will tell if it works for them again, or this is finally what ends up breaking the Windows hegemony.
 
2013-01-28 03:37:57 PM

somedude210: to be fair, it is one of the first to have a usb connection. let alone USB 3.0


My year old Iconia has both USB and microSD available. It ain't the prettiest or fastest tablet out there, but moving files on and off is a breeze and my movie library for trips is a card swap away.

/Mrs. Hilljack likes having a separate thumbdrive for her sensitive work files.
 
2013-01-28 03:38:18 PM
Since when doesn't the OS + whatever else is installed count against the available storage?
 
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