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(Expert Reviews (UK))   If you've ever wanted to buy a tablet with either 30% or 60% less storage space than you paid for...then Feb 9th will be your lucky day   (expertreviews.co.uk) divider line 138
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2013-01-28 09:06:30 AM
45G of OS and bloatware?!?  nice.
 
2013-01-28 09:27:59 AM
What I don't get is who upgrades so damn often. I have a Xoom. Had it for over a year. It's still workin' fine. I'm not gonna pay a bunch extra for a freakin' new tablet when mine's still up and runnin'.
 
2013-01-28 09:32:37 AM
In its defence, Microsoft has pointed out that the Surface Pro includes a USB 3.0 port for high-speed connectivity to external storage devices such as pen drives or hard disks, along with a free SkyDrive cloud storage account offering an additional 7GB of web-based storage.

Remarkable tablet, the Surface Pro.  Beautiful plumage!!
 
2013-01-28 09:32:49 AM
The Asus Tai Chi 128 only has 70G out of the 128 it's supposed to have due to OS, bloatware, and "recovery disk." It's called format and reinstall only what you need.
 
2013-01-28 09:39:34 AM

dahmers love zombie: In its defence, Microsoft has pointed out that the Surface Pro includes a USB 3.0 port for high-speed connectivity to external storage devices such as pen drives or hard disks, along with a free SkyDrive cloud storage account offering an additional 7GB of web-based storage.

Remarkable tablet, the Surface Pro.  Beautiful plumage!!


to be fair, it is one of the first to have a usb connection. let alone USB 3.0
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-01-28 10:00:09 AM
It would be exactly as much storage as I paid for: a lot, but not enough to last forever. There is no difference between 80 GB and 100 GB. There is also no difference between a binary terabyte and a metric terabyte.
 
2013-01-28 10:00:12 AM
With the devices failing to reach the promised capacities - and Barrons claiming that Microsoft may have sold as few as 230,000 Surface RT tablets worldwide - the company may struggle to convince tablet fans to switch from their iPads or Android devices.


Well, there's also the fact that it is way overpriced.  Hell, you can buy a Win8 touchscreen laptop for cheaper.  I don't know what the heck MS is thinking.  Maybe they are hoping it will be picked up in the business world.
 
2013-01-28 10:25:48 AM

UberDave: With the devices failing to reach the promised capacities - and Barrons claiming that Microsoft may have sold as few as 230,000 Surface RT tablets worldwide - the company may struggle to convince tablet fans to switch from their iPads or Android devices.


Well, there's also the fact that it is way overpriced.  Hell, you can buy a Win8 touchscreen laptop for cheaper.  I don't know what the heck MS is thinking.  Maybe they are hoping it will be picked up in the business world.


I don't see any reason for the business world to pick it up.  You can get a hybrid laptop for less.  Get a 128GB Surface Pro with a TypeCover keyboard and you're well above $1100 for something that, for all intents and purposes, is a limited hybrid laptop.
 
2013-01-28 10:46:48 AM

Lsherm: UberDave: With the devices failing to reach the promised capacities - and Barrons claiming that Microsoft may have sold as few as 230,000 Surface RT tablets worldwide - the company may struggle to convince tablet fans to switch from their iPads or Android devices.


Well, there's also the fact that it is way overpriced.  Hell, you can buy a Win8 touchscreen laptop for cheaper.  I don't know what the heck MS is thinking.  Maybe they are hoping it will be picked up in the business world.

I don't see any reason for the business world to pick it up.  You can get a hybrid laptop for less.  Get a 128GB Surface Pro with a TypeCover keyboard and you're well above $1100 for something that, for all intents and purposes, is a limited hybrid laptop.



Pretty much.  I keep thinking they designed it per some industrial spec or something.  There was plenty of buzz around this thing just like the RT.  But when they announced the price which was well beyond competitor tablets, that "buzz" dropped off real quick.

If they don't change something fast, this thing will go the way of the Zune in 1/4 the time.  I'm guessing that they will sell no better than a similarly priced laptop/notebook and in about a year, they will lower the price but by then, it will be dying.  I hope I'm wrong.
 
2013-01-28 10:53:22 AM
Will it sync with my Zune?
 
2013-01-28 11:14:34 AM

wambu: Will it sync with my Zune?


Yes, actually, it will. This runs the full version of Win 8, so you can install the Zune software on the tablet and sync.
 
2013-01-28 11:16:08 AM
I do like the idea of the surface pro w/ its digitizer, but I find the price off putting.
 
2013-01-28 11:16:40 AM

UberDave:


Well, there's also the fact that it is way overpriced.  Hell, you can buy a Win8 touchscreen laptop for cheaper.  I don't know what the heck MS is thinking.  Maybe they are hoping it will be picked up in the business world.



This. There's no way that MS can compete with Apple in the "Look how cool I am!" department. They should going after budget conscious users who don't want to pay Apple prices.
 
2013-01-28 11:18:24 AM

Old enough to know better: UberDave:


Well, there's also the fact that it is way overpriced.  Hell, you can buy a Win8 touchscreen laptop for cheaper.  I don't know what the heck MS is thinking.  Maybe they are hoping it will be picked up in the business world.


This. There's no way that MS can compete with Apple in the "Look how cool I am!" department. They should going after budget conscious users who don't want to pay Apple prices.


But those users are all buying Samsung tablets, and I don't think Microsoft can compete with them on price.
 
2013-01-28 11:18:34 AM
Having USB > every other tablet but still super expensive for how limited tablets are.

/written on iPad3
//piece of shiat
///its like signing up for pop ups from every website
 
2013-01-28 11:19:22 AM

doglover: What I don't get is who upgrades so damn often. I have a Xoom. Had it for over a year. It's still workin' fine. I'm not gonna pay a bunch extra for a freakin' new tablet when mine's still up and runnin'.


Exactly. My GF got me my Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 for Christmas. My friend saw me using it and asked what it was so I told him, he then proceeds to tell me I should get rid of it and get the new Note tablet.

I told him to kindly STFU.
 
2013-01-28 11:20:13 AM
In its defence, Microsoft has pointed out that the Surface Pro includes a USB 3.0 port for high-speed connectivity to external storage devices such as pen drives or hard disks, along with a free SkyDrive cloud storage account offering an additional 7GB of web-based storage.

Does it also have a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time?
 
2013-01-28 11:21:08 AM

Crudbucket: wambu: Will it sync with my Zune?

Yes, actually, it will. This runs the full version of Win 8, so you can install the Zune software on the tablet and sync.


And iTunes as well, so you can sync with an iPod, something an iPad WON'T actually do.

Since it seems to have a nice digitizer, when the price drops it might make a great tablet for digital art, since you can run the full versions of Photoshop and Illustrator without all the bulk and weight previous tablets had. It could be a godsend to artists and designers.
 
2013-01-28 11:25:08 AM
45GB for the OS is before the "updates".
 
Xai
2013-01-28 11:25:36 AM
what, a PC with software pre-installed? I must tell the entire internet about this new and surprising development! Off to fark!
 
2013-01-28 11:25:41 AM

Lsherm: I don't see any reason for the business world to pick it up


If you're looking for an alternative to BES or 3LM, a Microsoft tablet is the way to go.
 
2013-01-28 11:28:01 AM
Same thing happened with my Nook. Bought it with 2 GB of "storage" space, and found out that of that 2 GB, only 250MB was available, because the rest was either the OS, or a dedicated, locked storage for only the books I downloaded from the B&N store. Nice to get access to 12% of the advertised space, isn't it?
 
2013-01-28 11:29:49 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: In its defence, Microsoft has pointed out that the Surface Pro includes a USB 3.0 port for high-speed connectivity to external storage devices such as pen drives or hard disks, along with a free SkyDrive cloud storage account offering an additional 7GB of web-based storage.

Does it also have a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time?


You'll shoot your eye out.
 
2013-01-28 11:33:47 AM
I really hope this Surface tablet is a total failure.

Succeeding will only encourage Microsoft to force more of that Metro BS on us with Windows.

People, please! Don't buy the Surface!
 
2013-01-28 11:34:02 AM

UberDave: Well, there's also the fact that it is way overpriced.  Hell, you can buy a Win8 touchscreen laptop for cheaper.  I don't know what the heck MS is thinking.  Maybe they are hoping it will be picked up in the business world.


You can get a MacBook Air cheaper.

/its like Microsoft is trying to fail at this business
 
2013-01-28 11:36:47 AM

Mad_Radhu: Since it seems to have a nice digitizer, when the price drops it might make a great tablet for digital art, since you can run the full versions of Photoshop and Illustrator without all the bulk and weight previous tablets had. It could be a godsend to artists and designers


Ah.  No.  Windows RT versions of Photoshop and Illustrator do not exist.  And even if it did - I'm betting that performance wise - it would really suck.
 
2013-01-28 11:38:48 AM

Mikey1969: Same thing happened with my Nook. Bought it with 2 GB of "storage" space, and found out that of that 2 GB, only 250MB was available, because the rest was either the OS, or a dedicated, locked storage for only the books I downloaded from the B&N store. Nice to get access to 12% of the advertised space, isn't it?


It has a MicroSD slot. I store all my books and media on that.
 
2013-01-28 11:39:06 AM
35% fraud? That should be a hanging
 
2013-01-28 11:39:23 AM

gingerjet: Mad_Radhu: Since it seems to have a nice digitizer, when the price drops it might make a great tablet for digital art, since you can run the full versions of Photoshop and Illustrator without all the bulk and weight previous tablets had. It could be a godsend to artists and designers

Ah.  No.  Windows RT versions of Photoshop and Illustrator do not exist.  And even if it did - I'm betting that performance wise - it would really suck.


Ah, this is the ARM Surface, not the RT which came out back in October.
 
2013-01-28 11:40:29 AM

Crudbucket: gingerjet: Mad_Radhu: Since it seems to have a nice digitizer, when the price drops it might make a great tablet for digital art, since you can run the full versions of Photoshop and Illustrator without all the bulk and weight previous tablets had. It could be a godsend to artists and designers

Ah.  No.  Windows RT versions of Photoshop and Illustrator do not exist.  And even if it did - I'm betting that performance wise - it would really suck.

Ah, this is the ARM Surface, not the RT which came out back in October.


Ah, I think you mean Surface Pro, not the ARM Surface.

/dumbass
 
2013-01-28 11:47:06 AM
Win8 itself is only 20GB (I checked).

That means there is 20-25GB of additional BLOAT on Surface Pro besides the OS. Office 2013 only needs 3GB.
 
2013-01-28 11:48:20 AM
FTFA:
The issue becomes more pressing when the cheaper 64GB model is taken into account: the space used up by the operating system and pre-installed applications is the same between devices, so - allowing for differences in actual capacity between the two solid-state drives - the 64GB Surface Pro may have as little as 23GB of user-accessible space.

Jesus titty-farking christ. That's pretty farking awful.
 
2013-01-28 11:58:34 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Mikey1969: Same thing happened with my Nook. Bought it with 2 GB of "storage" space, and found out that of that 2 GB, only 250MB was available, because the rest was either the OS, or a dedicated, locked storage for only the books I downloaded from the B&N store. Nice to get access to 12% of the advertised space, isn't it?

It has a MicroSD slot. I store all my books and media on that.


I know that, but I didn't have one, and due to the fact that it was Christmas last year when I got it, money was tight for awhile. The point is that it was the same situation as this surface tablet, they advertise 'X', provide 'Y', and the difference between 'X' and 'Y' is outside of an acceptable range.
 
2013-01-28 12:00:45 PM
It could have a 500GB hard drive, and I don't think anyone would care. The Surface is a mediocre idea aimed to fix a problem that didn't exist in the first place. Even if the price was slashed 50%, I don't see anyone really buying it.
 
2013-01-28 12:03:14 PM

Crudbucket: Crudbucket: gingerjet: Mad_Radhu: Since it seems to have a nice digitizer, when the price drops it might make a great tablet for digital art, since you can run the full versions of Photoshop and Illustrator without all the bulk and weight previous tablets had. It could be a godsend to artists and designers

Ah.  No.  Windows RT versions of Photoshop and Illustrator do not exist.  And even if it did - I'm betting that performance wise - it would really suck.

Ah, this is the ARM Surface, not the RT which came out back in October.

Ah, I think you mean Surface Pro, not the ARM Surface.

/dumbass


This exchange is one of the major problems with the entire surface line: even for someone as technologically savvy as you or me, it's too farking easy to confuse the models. How does MS really expect Joe Consumer to keep them straight?
 
2013-01-28 12:07:03 PM

madgonad: Win8 itself is only 20GB (I checked).

That means there is 20-25GB of additional BLOAT on Surface Pro besides the OS. Office 2013 only needs 3GB.


Well, they have to store an image of the OS + the bloatware if you need to reset the device, so I'd guess that takes up a good chunk of space.
 
2013-01-28 12:07:11 PM

doglover: What I don't get is who upgrades so damn often. I have a Xoom. Had it for over a year. It's still workin' fine. I'm not gonna pay a bunch extra for a freakin' new tablet when mine's still up and runnin'.


Same here. I still have my first gen Nook Color (rooted, Cyanogen), and it's going strong. Don't see the need to buy another one just to get something newer.
 
2013-01-28 12:19:50 PM

The Crepes of Wrath: doglover: What I don't get is who upgrades so damn often. I have a Xoom. Had it for over a year. It's still workin' fine. I'm not gonna pay a bunch extra for a freakin' new tablet when mine's still up and runnin'.

Same here. I still have my first gen Nook Color (rooted, Cyanogen), and it's going strong. Don't see the need to buy another one just to get something newer.


You guys are both lame. I have an even older tablet and it works just fine.

www.compromise-agreements.org
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More seriously though I bought my wife an HP envy for school and it cost less than the surface it's pretty thin, has a lot more storage space, outperforms the surface pro and the keyboard is a nice tactile keyboard with a back light. Why would I even consider a tablet?
 
2013-01-28 12:24:42 PM

The Crepes of Wrath: doglover: What I don't get is who upgrades so damn often. I have a Xoom. Had it for over a year. It's still workin' fine. I'm not gonna pay a bunch extra for a freakin' new tablet when mine's still up and runnin'.

Same here. I still have my first gen Nook Color (rooted, Cyanogen), and it's going strong. Don't see the need to buy another one just to get something newer.


In your case, going from a Nook color, to a Nook Tablet HD, the difference is huge.
Even at the same price point, going to a Nexus 7 is a big step up.
It's not so much the latest thing, it's you have a very underpowered tablet.
 
2013-01-28 12:25:58 PM

dahmers love zombie: In its defence, Microsoft has pointed out that the Surface Pro includes a USB 3.0 port for high-speed connectivity to external storage devices such as pen drives or hard disks, along with a free SkyDrive cloud storage account offering an additional 7GB of web-based storage.


The sad thing is, for the minimal expense of adding an SDXC card slot, a lot of this controversy would be mitigated. But thanks to the trend of companies substantially marking up products with a little extra storage for additional profits, this didn't happen.
 
2013-01-28 12:33:56 PM

Supes: The sad thing is, for the minimal expense of adding an SDXC card slot, a lot of this controversy would be mitigated. But thanks to the trend of companies substantially marking up products with a little extra storage for additional profits, this didn't happen.


I think it does have a SD card slot. I'm using a 64gb microSD card in my 32gb Surface RT.
 
2013-01-28 12:34:56 PM

YodaBlues: Ah. No. Windows RT versions of Photoshop and Illustrator do not exist. And even if it did - I'm betting that performance wise - it would really suck.

Ah, this is the ARM Surface, not the RT which came out back in October.

Ah, I think you mean Surface Pro, not the ARM Surface.

/dumbass

This exchange is one of the major problems with the entire surface line: even for someone as technologically savvy as you or me, it's too farking easy to confuse the models. How does MS really expect Joe Consumer to keep them straight?


Agreed. I pay attention, I care, and I STILL have to go online to look up a cheat-sheet to keep the different versions straight when someone asks me the difference. I can just imagine my mom walking into a Windows store, looking at the wall of tablets blankly for a bit, getting frustrated and leaving.

Someone else has mentioned this before, but I too am curious what the return rate is of people buying one version then taking it back a few days later when it turns out it can't run the software they thought it would run.
 
2013-01-28 12:37:23 PM

skazzytl: Supes: The sad thing is, for the minimal expense of adding an SDXC card slot, a lot of this controversy would be mitigated. But thanks to the trend of companies substantially marking up products with a little extra storage for additional profits, this didn't happen.

I think it does have a SD card slot. I'm using a 64gb microSD card in my 32gb Surface RT.


If so, my bad, and Microsoft should just throw in a $20 32GB card to help make up for the storage and offset bad press.
 
2013-01-28 12:44:02 PM

gingerjet: Mad_Radhu: Since it seems to have a nice digitizer, when the price drops it might make a great tablet for digital art, since you can run the full versions of Photoshop and Illustrator without all the bulk and weight previous tablets had. It could be a godsend to artists and designers

Ah.  No.  Windows RT versions of Photoshop and Illustrator do not exist.  And even if it did - I'm betting that performance wise - it would really suck.


As mentioned above, the Surface Pro that we are discussing has Win 8 Pro and an i5 processor, so it is functionally equivalent to a regular Windows computer. Aside from the relatively stingy amount of RAM on the tablet, it should run most content creation software well. Also, with a SSD, Photoshop having to go to the scratch disk might not really hurt performance as much as a regular hard drive.
 
2013-01-28 12:46:56 PM

OceanVortex: This exchange is one of the major problems with the entire surface line: even for someone as technologically savvy as you or me, it's too farking easy to confuse the models. How does MS really expect Joe Consumer to keep them straight?


This exchange is one of the major problems with most of Microsoft's product lines. How many versions of an OS can they possibly sell....
 
2013-01-28 12:51:20 PM

Crudbucket: Ah, this is the ARM Surface, not the RT which came out back in October.


Ah I missed that.  My bad.  But still don't think the performance is there.  But we'll see I guess.
 
2013-01-28 12:58:07 PM
Is this the one where everyone talks about how crappy a product they've never used is?
 
2013-01-28 01:00:15 PM
What do you want to bet it's got some stupidly large paging file configured. It's still Windows on the inside.
 
2013-01-28 01:02:46 PM
Haha. Your monolithic kernel was a terrible idea for a device that's primarily a tablet.

I'm just going to assume that it's actually 22.5 gigs and the other half is actually a factory restore partition of that same bundle of useless drivers and bloatware....
 
2013-01-28 01:03:56 PM
I was considering getting an SSD for my laptop but I worked out that 128GB wasn't enough, especially once you lost the amount for Windows and Visual Studio and other tools.

I don't know how this can be classed as a "pro" machine.
 
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