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(Washington Post)   Remember watching the helmet cam video of the soldier in Afghanistan yelling, "I'M HIT, I'M HIT, I'M HIT" and wondering what the hell he was thinking?   (washingtonpost.com ) divider line
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2013-01-28 09:24:03 AM  
"Oh crap, I'm dying for nothing."
 
2013-01-28 09:26:14 AM  
Was he thinking, "I'M HIT, I'M HIT, I'M HIT"?
 
2013-01-28 09:27:25 AM  
"Fark you George Bush"
 
2013-01-28 09:27:53 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Was he thinking, "I'M HIT, I'M HIT, I'M HIT"?


That would be my guess.
 
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2013-01-28 09:29:32 AM  
"I wonder what Nutella tastes like?"
 
2013-01-28 09:30:36 AM  
I'd say it rhymes with hit by the letter S.
 
2013-01-28 09:32:48 AM  

Thisbymaster: "Fark you George Bush"


To be honest, in a just world, Bush would be forced to watch that video every morning.
 
2013-01-28 09:32:52 AM  
What was he thinking as he was running around getting shot at by someone who wouldn't come out from their hiding place? "Farking campers!"
 
2013-01-28 09:37:41 AM  
When I was young, a video like this would have made me want to join the military to be a bad ass. Today, I read an article like that and realize that it is a damn good thing I didn't. Getting shot at is hard enough, but the mental and psychological aspects of war that linger on after someone returns home remain largely hidden.
 
2013-01-28 09:38:02 AM  
A few weeks later the rapper Ice Cube used Daniels's footage in his "Everythang's Corrupt" music video.

I wonder what Ice Cube's opinions vis-à-vis copyright infringement; and whether this young soldier borrow a cup of lawyers from the RIAA?
 
2013-01-28 09:38:30 AM  
Brave dude. Hope he is okay after all the dust settles.
 
2013-01-28 09:39:46 AM  

Karac: A few weeks later the rapper Ice Cube used Daniels's footage in his "Everythang's Corrupt" music video.

I wonder what Ice Cube's opinions vis-à-vis copyright infringement; and whether this young soldier borrow a cup of lawyers from the RIAA?


Its called sampling... and there have been about a billion court cases over it. You're allowed to use other peoples work as long as it is only a few seconds of it.
 
2013-01-28 09:40:34 AM  
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2013-01-28 09:41:19 AM  

Alonjar: Karac: A few weeks later the rapper Ice Cube used Daniels's footage in his "Everythang's Corrupt" music video.

I wonder what Ice Cube's opinions vis-à-vis copyright infringement; and whether this young soldier borrow a cup of lawyers from the RIAA?

Its called sampling... and there have been about a billion court cases over it. You're allowed to use other peoples work as long as it is only a few seconds of it.


The rap industry is intimately familiar with it, as well. (See Daddy, Puff)
 
2013-01-28 09:42:58 AM  
It's weird...I'm not anti military action as a tool for a job, but as a civilian gun owner, I am so accustomed to target shooting where everyone is careful and hyper-aware of not pointing any guns, loaded or not, in the vicinity of another participant, that it just seems bizarre to me that people shoot at each other like this.
 
2013-01-28 09:43:46 AM  
37 year old PFC??? Must be in the NG. He is too old for that sh*t.
 
2013-01-28 09:55:30 AM  
Never been in combat, but as I'm watching the video I keep asking: Where was the rest of his unit? Why wasn't the squad/platoon working as a team, providing covering fire, etc? Where was the commanding officer giving orders? How did this guy think this was going to play out? 1. Just run out in the open with no cover and no backup, 2. ??? 3. Profit?
 
2013-01-28 10:07:43 AM  

He_Hate_Me: Never been in combat, but as I'm watching the video I keep asking: Where was the rest of his unit? Why wasn't the squad/platoon working as a team, providing covering fire, etc? Where was the commanding officer giving orders? How did this guy think this was going to play out? 1. Just run out in the open with no cover and no backup, 2. ??? 3. Profit?


First questions: remember than the camera shows a lot more than you would have ever seen from WW2, Korea, Vietnam, or even Desert Storm I, but it still doesn't show everything.

Last question: in this situations, the first thing you come up with is usually the best. A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow, and even a shiatty plan can be better than staying there pinned down where you're only reacting to what the other guy is doing to you.
 
2013-01-28 10:12:24 AM  

Vtimlin: 37 year old PFC??? Must be in the NG. He is too old for that sh*t.


It says he enlisted after his marriage fell apart and his job(law enforcement) went to hell. The age cap for the Army is 35, and he probably would have made that being a PFC now, and even if not the max age was 42 in '11.
 
2013-01-28 10:28:19 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Was he thinking, "I'M HIT, I'M HIT, I'M HIT"?


Done in ... two
 
2013-01-28 10:29:24 AM  
Armchairing it, I'd be thinking why the hell don't I have some sort of smoke grenade.
 
2013-01-28 10:32:10 AM  

He_Hate_Me: Never been in combat, but as I'm watching the video I keep asking: Where was the rest of his unit? Why wasn't the squad/platoon working as a team, providing covering fire, etc? Where was the commanding officer giving orders? How did this guy think this was going to play out? 1. Just run out in the open with no cover and no backup, 2. ??? 3. Profit?


He ran down the hill to draw the fire away from his guys so they could move to a safer position. He was sacrificing himself for his guys who were pinned down.
 
2013-01-28 10:32:24 AM  

He_Hate_Me: Never been in combat, but as I'm watching the video I keep asking: Where was the rest of his unit? Why wasn't the squad/platoon working as a team, providing covering fire, etc? Where was the commanding officer giving orders? How did this guy think this was going to play out? 1. Just run out in the open with no cover and no backup, 2. ??? 3. Profit?


He says that you're taught that the best thing to do is the right thing.  The second best thing to do is the worst thing.  The last thing you want to do is nothing.  He even said what he did was not tactically sound.

I find it interesting he felt it was better to go up to some rocks than down to that wall.  The perspective isn't great because his scrambling indicated a slope that was steeper than I thought it appeared visually.

The rounds skipping off the ground around him is what gets me.  Not only is that group of guys firing at your group of guys, but now someone has picked you out, personally, to be killed.
 
2013-01-28 10:33:07 AM  

Prank Call of Cthulhu: Was he thinking, "I'M HIT, I'M HIT, I'M HIT"?


With over 20 million views, it would be "I'M A HIT, I'M A HIT, I'M A HIT!"
 
2013-01-28 10:33:25 AM  

sigpop: Armchairing it, I'd be thinking why the hell don't I have some sort of smoke grenade.


Possibly already expended earlier in the day?
 
2013-01-28 10:40:16 AM  
"The Pentagon goes to great, and at times absurd, lengths to portray combat as controlled and efficient. Pictures taken by official Army photographers on the battlefield are scrutinized before they are released to the public to ensure that soldiers are cleanshaven and wearing the proper uniforms, gloves and eye protection."

Perhaps the Army does things this way... The author is trying to push a narrative, too bad it is wrong.
Examples like this:
cache.boston.com
(hotlinked from boston.com)

and this:
Link (linked for very powerful image sequence)

These examples are offical images that show the real war.
 
2013-01-28 10:43:55 AM  
The main thing I took from this whole thing is that other youtube user is a dick and is profiting off of this soldier's video.
 
2013-01-28 10:46:33 AM  
I play a lot of Call of Duty.

So, I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.
 
2013-01-28 10:46:37 AM  
When playing things like Video Games and watching action movies, it seems all fun and exciting, but, after playing Paint Ball a few times, I have come to realize that I am not some Bad Ass Rambo. I am a Big Assed Target, and those balls sting.

/Salute to all the guys in uniform that do it for real.
 
2013-01-28 10:52:02 AM  

sigpop: Armchairing it, I'd be thinking why the hell don't I have some sort of smoke grenade.


Dismounted soldiers are already carrying a minimum of 60 pounds of gear (as a basic load); probably only the squad leader or other designated person is carrying the extra weight of smoke grenades (usually for position marking).

Example study: Modern Warrior's Combat Load [PDF]

/stubmitter
 
2013-01-28 10:52:58 AM  
That rock looked like spectacularly shiatty cover.

/I'm not arm chairing the guy though.... you make the best of your situation. He lived, so he did it right, and thats all that matters.
 
2013-01-28 10:54:17 AM  

Alonjar: Karac: A few weeks later the rapper Ice Cube used Daniels's footage in his "Everythang's Corrupt" music video.

I wonder what Ice Cube's opinions vis-à-vis copyright infringement; and whether this young soldier borrow a cup of lawyers from the RIAA?

Its called sampling... and there have been about a billion court cases over it. You're allowed to use other peoples work as long as it is only a few seconds of it.


You still have to pay for sampling other people's work. It's not free.

In Daniel's case, though, he probably doesn't own the rights to the video.  The army does.
 
2013-01-28 11:02:24 AM  

The WindowLicker: Link (linked for very powerful image sequence)


Ryan P. Shane, who got shot trying to rescue the other marine on the ground, was awarded a Bronze Star for that.

The marine on the ground was already dead by the time they got to him.
 
2013-01-28 11:22:53 AM  

Lsherm: The marine on the ground was already dead by the time they got to him.


We've all seen/read about horrible things and are desensitized by frequency and distance but for some reason I found that series of pictures allied with your comment overwhelmingly sad.
 
2013-01-28 11:32:42 AM  

sigpop: Armchairing it, I'd be thinking why the hell don't I have some sort of smoke grenade.


Smoke grenades are really dicey at best, tend to swirl and mask your own sight rather than the enemy (who is likely at some distance). They are almost exclusively used for marking LZs.

Also, they are regarded as extra weight and only a couple may be carried in a section to be used in emergencies.
 
2013-01-28 11:35:12 AM  

The Envoy: Lsherm: The marine on the ground was already dead by the time they got to him.

We've all seen/read about horrible things and are desensitized by frequency and distance but for some reason I found that series of pictures allied with your comment overwhelmingly sad.


It IS sad, that's why I looked up the story behind the pictures, to figure out what happened.

Still, they didn't leave him behind, so that's something.
 
2013-01-28 11:44:12 AM  

Artisan Sandwich: sigpop: Armchairing it, I'd be thinking why the hell don't I have some sort of smoke grenade.

Smoke grenades are really dicey at best, tend to swirl and mask your own sight rather than the enemy (who is likely at some distance). They are almost exclusively used for marking LZs.

Also, they are regarded as extra weight and only a couple may be carried in a section to be used in emergencies.


You're using smoke because your own sight is irrelevant.  If you are trying to move from point A to point B, you don't care if you can see the other guys well enough to shoot them.  Let's take the extreme example where he got hit in the face and can't see.  The smoke, should it obscure the enemy's sight at all, would benefit far more than it harmed.

But yes, it's not used because of the opportunity cost.  They already carry an obscene amount of stuff.  Losing a grenade, or a med kit, or ammo, for a smoke round is probably not a great idea.
 
2013-01-28 11:50:29 AM  
What I'd like to know is why the chain of command is not instilling the importance of the idea that you do not share anything about what you do in uniform without getting permission.

This goes for videos of lip syncing to Katy Perry back on base as much as to combat video.
 
2013-01-28 11:54:44 AM  

vygramul: Artisan Sandwich: sigpop: Armchairing it, I'd be thinking why the hell don't I have some sort of smoke grenade.

Smoke grenades are really dicey at best, tend to swirl and mask your own sight rather than the enemy (who is likely at some distance). They are almost exclusively used for marking LZs.

Also, they are regarded as extra weight and only a couple may be carried in a section to be used in emergencies.

You're using smoke because your own sight is irrelevant.  If you are trying to move from point A to point B, you don't care if you can see the other guys well enough to shoot them.  Let's take the extreme example where he got hit in the face and can't see.  The smoke, should it obscure the enemy's sight at all, would benefit far more than it harmed.

But yes, it's not used because of the opportunity cost.  They already carry an obscene amount of stuff.  Losing a grenade, or a med kit, or ammo, for a smoke round is probably not a great idea.


Your own sight is never irrelevant. He was running to a vehicle 350m away over rough terrain. The time it takes to get a smoke out and throw it is completely wasted. He'd be better off just blindly dumping mags at the enemy positions and running his ass off. Smoke works in video games.
 
2013-01-28 11:54:47 AM  

The Troof hurts: He_Hate_Me: Never been in combat, but as I'm watching the video I keep asking: Where was the rest of his unit? Why wasn't the squad/platoon working as a team, providing covering fire, etc? Where was the commanding officer giving orders? How did this guy think this was going to play out? 1. Just run out in the open with no cover and no backup, 2. ??? 3. Profit?

He ran down the hill to draw the fire away from his guys so they could move to a safer position. He was sacrificing himself for his guys who were pinned down.


Again, maybe im missing something, but it doesn't look to me that he's in any way helping his guys.

All he does is get himself hit and then call for a medic or some other guys to come rescue him. He's not letting them get away, he's actively putting them in more danger by compelling them to come out in the open too to get him, which he had to know was a highly probable outcome of running out into the open with no covering fire, no backup, and apparently no plan.
 
2013-01-28 11:57:45 AM  

Lsherm: t IS sad, that's why I looked up the story behind the pictures, to figure out what happened.

Still, they didn't leave him behind, so that's something.


It is one of the most powerful sequences of photos that I have seen. It really demonstrates the brotherhood among Marines. Not the stupid rah-rah bs that they put in the recruiting commercials, it's just the genuine willingness to risk your life in an attempt to save your brothers. You need to root around and find the larger size versions, it has a much larger impact.

The other really powerful experience for me was when I heard about the casualties at the battle of Ganjgal Valley. I was in the parent command of a number of the members of ETT 2-8, and their deaths hit very close to home. Most particularly, the death of Doc Layton while he was patching up another Marine. Shortly before we had gone on our respective deployments, Doc Layton was one of the primary instructors of the Combat Lifesavers (intensive first aid) course that our platoon went through. He was not a close acquaintance by any means, but that whole sequence of events really affected a lot of us.

I am getting away from my point. The point the author is trying to push is that the military does not want you to see what the wars are actually like. I think that is demonstrably false. Combat camera and imbedded reporters are something the military goes well out of their way to provide so that we Can see what is going on. What the military does not want, is some mother to see her kid shot dead in front of her on CNN before they can notify her properly. The military does not want reporters to release photos that a terrorist organization can use to develop more effective tactics. There are reasons to control the information that is released, but hiding the nature of war is not one of them. That is why the author is dumb. That is why this entire article fails.
 
2013-01-28 12:03:56 PM  

The WindowLicker: Lsherm: t IS sad, that's why I looked up the story behind the pictures, to figure out what happened.

Still, they didn't leave him behind, so that's something.

It is one of the most powerful sequences of photos that I have seen. It really demonstrates the brotherhood among Marines. Not the stupid rah-rah bs that they put in the recruiting commercials, it's just the genuine willingness to risk your life in an attempt to save your brothers. You need to root around and find the larger size versions, it has a much larger impact.

The other really powerful experience for me was when I heard about the casualties at the battle of Ganjgal Valley. I was in the parent command of a number of the members of ETT 2-8, and their deaths hit very close to home. Most particularly, the death of Doc Layton while he was patching up another Marine. Shortly before we had gone on our respective deployments, Doc Layton was one of the primary instructors of the Combat Lifesavers (intensive first aid) course that our platoon went through. He was not a close acquaintance by any means, but that whole sequence of events really affected a lot of us.

I am getting away from my point. The point the author is trying to push is that the military does not want you to see what the wars are actually like. I think that is demonstrably false. Combat camera and imbedded reporters are something the military goes well out of their way to provide so that we Can see what is going on. What the military does not want, is some mother to see her kid shot dead in front of her on CNN before they can notify her properly. The military does not want reporters to release photos that a terrorist organization can use to develop more effective tactics. There are reasons to control the information that is released, but hiding the nature of war is not one of them. That is why the author is dumb. That is why this entire article fails.


Agreed. The grittiness and emotions of war are not so secretive anymore, there is just too much information sharing. The real fear the military has is that peoples loved ones are not being notified first, or they find out on facebook.
 
2013-01-28 12:06:59 PM  
The real jackass here is the dude who continues to make money off of this and refuses to take the video down even after the soldier politely asked him to.

Sure, he doesn't HAVE to take it down. But if he were any sort of a decent person he would have.
 
2013-01-28 12:08:46 PM  

Artisan Sandwich: Your own sight is never irrelevant. He was running to a vehicle 350m away over rough terrain. The time it takes to get a smoke out and throw it is completely wasted. He'd be better off just blindly dumping mags at the enemy positions and running his ass off. Smoke works in video games.


Smoke works in real life, too.  That's why the military still has it.
 
2013-01-28 12:15:35 PM  

vygramul: Artisan Sandwich: Your own sight is never irrelevant. He was running to a vehicle 350m away over rough terrain. The time it takes to get a smoke out and throw it is completely wasted. He'd be better off just blindly dumping mags at the enemy positions and running his ass off. Smoke works in video games.

Smoke works in real life, too.  That's why the military still has it.


99% of the time for marking LZs. The other 1% it can be used for danger close fire missions. It provides not only a location, but gives the pilots wind direction. See previous comments.
 
2013-01-28 12:19:09 PM  

vygramul: Smoke works in real life, too. That's why the military still has it.


Yes but smoke grenades are not usually used for concealment.

If you want concealment, you call for fire and you get a barrage of smoke or white phosphorous arty rounds.

Like Artisan Sandwich said, the grenades are used for signaling or marking your own position. Usually the Sir and the Platoon sgt will carry a few in different colors but that is it.
 
2013-01-28 01:01:33 PM  

Artisan Sandwich: vygramul: Artisan Sandwich: Your own sight is never irrelevant. He was running to a vehicle 350m away over rough terrain. The time it takes to get a smoke out and throw it is completely wasted. He'd be better off just blindly dumping mags at the enemy positions and running his ass off. Smoke works in video games.

Smoke works in real life, too.  That's why the military still has it.

99% of the time for marking LZs. The other 1% it can be used for danger close fire missions. It provides not only a location, but gives the pilots wind direction. See previous comments.


The WindowLicker: vygramul: Smoke works in real life, too. That's why the military still has it.

Yes but smoke grenades are not usually used for concealment.

If you want concealment, you call for fire and you get a barrage of smoke or white phosphorous arty rounds.

Like Artisan Sandwich said, the grenades are used for signaling or marking your own position. Usually the Sir and the Platoon sgt will carry a few in different colors but that is it.


I understand the various uses of smoke. We don't use smoke for concealment because of opportunity costs, not because it is useless. In fact, that you include arty smoke goes to my point that Artisan Sandwich is wrong: if smoke obscured our sight more than the enemy's and that's why we don't use it, we wouldn't use even use arty-delivered smoke. But as you point out, we maintain that capability.

This is also not to say smoke is always or even frequently appropriate (which goes to opportunity cost). If it's windy at all, it's worthless. (Again, opportunity cost for unlikely conditions.) That's different from saying that its mere presence is worse for you, as an injured non-combatant, than for the enemy, which is still firing.
 
2013-01-28 01:06:19 PM  

He_Hate_Me: The Troof hurts: He_Hate_Me: Never been in combat, but as I'm watching the video I keep asking: Where was the rest of his unit? Why wasn't the squad/platoon working as a team, providing covering fire, etc? Where was the commanding officer giving orders? How did this guy think this was going to play out? 1. Just run out in the open with no cover and no backup, 2. ??? 3. Profit?

He ran down the hill to draw the fire away from his guys so they could move to a safer position. He was sacrificing himself for his guys who were pinned down.

Again, maybe im missing something, but it doesn't look to me that he's in any way helping his guys.

All he does is get himself hit and then call for a medic or some other guys to come rescue him. He's not letting them get away, he's actively putting them in more danger by compelling them to come out in the open too to get him, which he had to know was a highly probable outcome of running out into the open with no covering fire, no backup, and apparently no plan.


Keep in mind that a camera can only be pointed in one direction at a time. We can't see anything else that's going on peripherally, so the video doesn't give us the full scene or put the only scene we're shown in context. His team may have been in a good position to advance if somebody else drew fire away from them, but the only thing we see is what appears to be one guy wandering off on his own into the line of fire. If we had helmet-cam video from the guy's team members, we'd have a better concept of what was actually happening.
 
2013-01-28 01:29:47 PM  

Sneakernets:

To be honest, in a just world, Bush Mullah Omar would be forced to watch that video every morning.


FIFY
 
2013-01-28 02:35:44 PM  
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