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(Japan Today)   Japanese teachers and police officers retire en masse before slew of benefit cuts scheduled to go into effect February. "Critics say that leaving in the middle of the financial year is a dereliction of duty"   (japantoday.com) divider line 23
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2013-01-28 11:16:10 AM
People will do whatever is in their best interest. If only someone published a book about large group tactics and physiology of leading large groups of people.

Someone should totally right that book.
 
2013-01-28 12:16:07 PM
Nothing personal, its just business.
 
2013-01-28 12:17:20 PM
Well, this is one way to get fresh graduates into the workforce.
 
2013-01-28 12:20:33 PM
So if you tell people you're going to take something from them on Wednesday they don't show up on Wednesday to have it taken away? Who knew?
 
2013-01-28 12:20:56 PM

Bennie Crabtree: Well, this is one way to get fresh graduates into the workforce.


Not experienced enough and over-qualified. They might expect benefits like a retirement package! Then we'll just have to cut that package too!
 
2013-01-28 12:22:12 PM
Also, isn't reducing pay without reducing responsibility or workload a dereliction of duty? Pretty shaky ground to make your case from...
 
2013-01-28 12:24:16 PM
"Critics say that leaving in the middle of the financial year is a dereliction of duty..."

Perhaps you should have thought of having benefits not change in the middle of your financial year.
 
2013-01-28 12:25:31 PM

hungryhungryhorus: Also, isn't reducing pay without reducing responsibility or workload a dereliction of duty? Pretty shaky ground to make your case from...


Exactly. Government makes a decision on financial grounds and to hell with screwing people who have paid into their pension for years, but cries foul when those same employees turn around and do what's in their financial interest.
 
2013-01-28 01:06:24 PM

Flint Ironstag: hungryhungryhorus: Also, isn't reducing pay without reducing responsibility or workload a dereliction of duty? Pretty shaky ground to make your case from...

Exactly. Government makes a decision on financial grounds and to hell with screwing people who have paid into their pension for years, but cries foul when those same employees turn around and do what's in their financial interest.


Came here to say the same basic thing - tell someone you're about to pull the rug out from under them and then act shocked when they step off the rug.

Who had the bright idea to make a sudden change in retirement benefits for people who currently have an apparently good plan? Why not apply the new rules to new hires, or at least people with less than "X" years of service?
 
2013-01-28 01:09:41 PM
Some talking head said that a decrease in the number of police officers, for example, may have an effect on the NPA's ability to preserve the peace

So, as always "You are TOTALLY important to us right now, tomorrow and for the foreseeable future but we have NO problem treating you like shiat and demanding your undyling loyalty while we do so..."

Seriously, you have to be a psycopath to actually beileve this stuff, and I believe there was as study that showed that people like this gravitate to business (and apparently certain gov't groups).
 
2013-01-28 01:40:14 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: People will do whatever is in their best interest. If only someone published a book about large group tactics and physiology of leading large groups of people.

Someone should totally right that book.


I'll get write on it!
 
2013-01-28 02:14:23 PM
"Critics say that leaving in the middle of the financial year is a dereliction of duty ..."

I'm just glad to hear that masses of Japanese people aren't just sucking it up and taking the hit while singing the "company song" during morning calisthenics, which is what I would have suspected they would do.
 
2013-01-28 02:28:04 PM

edmo: Nothing personal, its just business.



Hey, if the folks at the top think it's all right to take that attitude, then there's no reason why everyone else shouldn't.
 
2013-01-28 02:58:39 PM
Stab public workers in the back by dismantling their compensation. Then complain when they all quit. It seems to be the same the world over. Don't the administrators who come up with these grand schemes ever think through their ideas properly? I am guessing, the answer is no.
 
2013-01-28 03:11:01 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: People will do whatever is in their best interest. If only someone published a book about large group tactics and physiology of leading large groups of people.

Someone should totally right that book.


You pique my interest. A study of the large group dynamic showing contrasting viewpoints of the stimuli (doing whatever is in their best interest) versus 'mob mentality' would indeed be an interesting read. IMHO it would also make a damn fine college thesis. Self preservation is accepted as wisdom while mob mentality often involves thoughts and actions one may not witness in a 1 on 1 scenario. The contrast and comparison is delicious.
 
2013-01-28 04:57:48 PM

KrispyKritter: The Stealth Hippopotamus: People will do whatever is in their best interest. If only someone published a book about large group tactics and physiology of leading large groups of people.

Someone should totally right that book.

You pique my interest. A study of the large group dynamic showing contrasting viewpoints of the stimuli (doing whatever is in their best interest) versus 'mob mentality' would indeed be an interesting read. IMHO it would also make a damn fine college thesis. Self preservation is accepted as wisdom while mob mentality often involves thoughts and actions one may not witness in a 1 on 1 scenario. The contrast and comparison is delicious.


I seem to recall that game theory goes into some detail on this phenomenon. One famous example is the "prisoner's dilemma", in which two people are accused of a crime and pressured to rat out the other in exchange for a reduced sentence. From each person's perspective, the ideal outcome is that they rat out the other and the other doesn't rat them out, but if they both rat each other out, then neither of them gets a reduced sentence.
 
2013-01-28 06:28:38 PM
good for them.
 
2013-01-28 09:07:12 PM

Kristoph57: Bennie Crabtree: Well, this is one way to get fresh graduates into the workforce.

Not experienced enough and over-qualified. They might expect benefits like a retirement package! Then we'll just have to cut that package too!


It's the Circle of Thatcherism!
 
2013-01-28 10:25:32 PM

anfrind: I seem to recall that game theory goes into some detail on this phenomenon. One famous example is the "prisoner's dilemma", in which two people are accused of a crime and pressured to rat out the other in exchange for a reduced sentence. From each person's perspective, the ideal outcome is that they rat out the other and the other doesn't rat them out, but if they both rat each other out, then neither of them gets a reduced sentence.


Game theory, when using properly modeled games, is excellent at predicting the behaviors of large groups of people exposed to particular financial incentives. It's also pretty good at determining how people will get around laws. It's too bad legislatures don't have some of those smart people test out their laws before they published them. Of course, that would be applying some of that expensive education that the state is holding loans for, and we don't want people to put their money to use. Not in this country, anyways.
 
2013-01-28 10:38:54 PM

edmo: Nothing personal, its just business.

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Indeed. More tea?
 
2013-01-29 12:43:58 AM
Wait a minute, people's behavior is incentivized by government actions on taxation and benefits? I thought nobody did that, like high-income earners won't leave a high-tax state and move to a lower-tax one.
 
2013-01-29 05:29:39 AM
God forbid you live up to your original promise. Instead, let's short-change the people who have been most loyal for the least recognition and hope nobody will notice.

Japan Government says: Plan Success!
 
2013-01-29 10:11:23 AM

casual disregard: God forbid you live up to your original promise. Instead, let's short-change the people who have been most loyal for the least recognition and hope nobody will notice.

Japan Government says: Plan Success!


I wonder if Japanese teachers are constantly trying to bang their students?
 
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