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2013-01-28 05:48:00 AM

Gyrfalcon: That there was no wood for coffins means that a) the trees have all been cut down and there's nothing left to work with, and b) there are too many dead to bury decently. You might have a little respect for that.


Or it could be a PR stunt by one of several governments which I know is more likely than the North Koreans not having enough wood to burn their dead (which I think is the current custom). North Korea has a massive timber supply and it is readily available outside of Pyongyang since they can't get China to import any of it.  Of course that could have been turned into heating wood since NK is colder that most of the US this time of year.  North Korea has had massive starvation in the past and this problem was reported then. I do expect it may have happened in isolated situations but I expect cannibalism is limited to a handful of cases with a bit of exaggeration.  I don't doubt tens of thousands of people have starved to death.  At least 300,000 North Koreans will die this year based on just normal death rates and about 4% of them due to malnutrition isn't that uncommon in poor parts of the world in non-famine conditions.
 
2013-01-28 05:48:58 AM

StashMonster: On the other hand it's been a common happening in famines throughout history - I have a book here on exactly that subject and I was amazed at how much has been documented even in modern times. People just don't talk about it or report it.


Do you have a title of that book?
 
2013-01-28 06:02:51 AM

Resident Muslim: Power crazed rulers are no surprise.
Cannibalism...not sure if serious.


Tyrants have used famine as a weapon before. I can think of a few nations in Africa where this was a common practice. It wouldn't surprise me to see one in Asia (a continent not unfamiliar with genocides) doing the same.

It would surprise me that a people living up in the weeds and without effective governance didn't have a backup plan.
...but this is where I have to remind myself that these dictatorships are like nation sized domestic violence cases. If its a community dependent on grain then its quite easy for soldiers to walk off with the years haul and no one will so much as raise a rake in protest.

Starving people can do horrific things.
 
2013-01-28 06:24:04 AM

Resident Muslim: Power crazed rulers are no surprise.
Cannibalism...not sure if serious.


Especially with family. You'd think people would eat tree bark, rodents anything.
Forgive me if I think this sounds too made up.


Look up the famines in Egypt, China, and Ethiopia. Wince at how things got so bad that parents sold their children into slavery to ensure they wouldn't be eaten, roaming gangs of starving people would kill and eat anyone they ran across, and family members ate whoever died first to try to survive.
 
2013-01-28 06:34:08 AM

way south: Resident Muslim: Power crazed rulers are no surprise.
Cannibalism...not sure if serious.


Tyrants have used famine as a weapon before. I can think of a few nations in Africa where this was a common practice. It wouldn't surprise me to see one in Asia (a continent not unfamiliar with genocides) doing the same.

It would surprise me that a people living up in the weeds and without effective governance didn't have a backup plan.
...but this is where I have to remind myself that these dictatorships are like nation sized domestic violence cases. If its a community dependent on grain then its quite easy for soldiers to walk off with the years haul and no one will so much as raise a rake in protest.

Starving people can do horrific things.


Again, the key word here is Asia.
I understand famine being use by dictators.
I can understand starving to death in Africa or middle east, but countries like NK which are relatively north of the equator tend to be lusher, so I really can't see why you can't 'live off the land' especially if you were a farmer and know your plants.
And by that I mean scavenging, not farming.

What do I know...maybe with a large enough population you'd run out of stuff to scavenge.

/wish humanity the best.
 
2013-01-28 06:38:19 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Rattle sabers. Run horrific stories of starvation. Get food aid.

I've seen this movie before.


My thoughts exactly, except the starvation stories are to humiliate NK to reduce international support.
 
2013-01-28 06:45:28 AM

Resident Muslim: I really can't see why you can't 'live off the land' especially if you were a farmer and know your plants.


I mean this in the nicest way. That comment reeks of ignorance.

There is a reason that hunter gather societies don't expand into populations in the tens of millions.
 
2013-01-28 06:50:36 AM

Resident Muslim: way south: Resident Muslim: Power crazed rulers are no surprise.
Cannibalism...not sure if serious.


Tyrants have used famine as a weapon before. I can think of a few nations in Africa where this was a common practice. It wouldn't surprise me to see one in Asia (a continent not unfamiliar with genocides) doing the same.

It would surprise me that a people living up in the weeds and without effective governance didn't have a backup plan.
...but this is where I have to remind myself that these dictatorships are like nation sized domestic violence cases. If its a community dependent on grain then its quite easy for soldiers to walk off with the years haul and no one will so much as raise a rake in protest.

Starving people can do horrific things.

Again, the key word here is Asia.
I understand famine being use by dictators.
I can understand starving to death in Africa or middle east, but countries like NK which are relatively north of the equator tend to be lusher, so I really can't see why you can't 'live off the land' especially if you were a farmer and know your plants.
And by that I mean scavenging, not farming.

What do I know...maybe with a large enough population you'd run out of stuff to scavenge.

/wish humanity the best.


Your last point is the key.

Land in its natural form can't supply the needs of any meaningfully large population for long. What we have in the west is an artificial production of machinery, irrigation, and chemicals.

If some tard decides to abscond with what little you have when you are already on a subsistence farming scheme, it's a disaster.

/If the norks have been scraping by for the better part of a half century, there's probably nothing left in the wilderness.
 
2013-01-28 06:50:45 AM
OK, so how am I supposed to believe any of this without some tweets or Facebook posts out of NK to back this up?
 
Rat
2013-01-28 06:52:38 AM
Meatloaf again?

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2013-01-28 06:55:38 AM

log_jammin: Resident Muslim: I really can't see why you can't 'live off the land' especially if you were a farmer and know your plants.

I mean this in the nicest way. That comment reeks of ignorance.

There is a reason that hunter gather societies don't expand into populations in the tens of millions.


Hmm.
 
2013-01-28 06:56:14 AM

James F. Campbell: Hmm.


kay...
 
2013-01-28 06:57:53 AM
louisalady.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-01-28 06:58:49 AM
www.theliberaloc.com
"Meat's meat, and a man's got to eat."
 
2013-01-28 06:59:19 AM
Obviously what they have is too much business, free markets, school choice and not enough government.
 
2013-01-28 07:00:07 AM
Did they eat the man executed by firing squad? Seems like a good waste of meat otherwise.
 
2013-01-28 07:01:40 AM

log_jammin: kay...


I see now what happened. I can't see his original post, probably because he responds to someone that I'm ignoring; I can only see the bit you quoted. Because he was discussing farmers and you were discussing about hunter-gatherer societies, I was initially confused. Carry on.
 
2013-01-28 07:05:33 AM
Oh, so the Pudgy Leader is just as big a piece of shiat as the Dear Leader and the Great Leader.

Got it.
 
2013-01-28 07:07:23 AM
"As I says, 'tis queer haow picters sets ye thinkin'. D'ye know, young Sir, I'm right sot on this un here. Arter I got the book off Ebeneezer I uster look at it a lot, especial when I'd heerd Parson Clark rant o' Sundays. Onct I tried suthin' funny - here, young Sir, don't git skeert - all I done was ter look at the picter afore I kilt the sheep for market - killin' sheep was kinder more fun arter lookin' at it - " The tone of the old man now sank very low, sometimes becoming so faint that his words were hardly audible. I listened to the rain, and to the rattling of the bleared, small-paned windows, and marked a rumbling of approaching thunder quite unusual for the season. Once a terrific flash and peal shook the frail house to its foundations, but the whisperer seemed not to notice it.

"Killin' sheep was kinder more fun - but d'ye know, 'twan't quite satisfyin'. Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye - As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun to make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy - here, set still, what's ailin' ye? - I didn't do nothin', only I wondered haow 'twud be ef I did - They say meat makes blood an' flesh, an' gives ye new life, so I wondered ef 'twudn't make a man live longer an' longer ef 'twas more the same - "
--H. P. Lovecraft, "The Picture in the House"
 
2013-01-28 07:08:05 AM

James F. Campbell: Because he was discussing farmers and you were discussing about hunter-gatherer societies


I was responding to his idea that famine victims can just "live off the land" if their country is sufficiently "lush". I was pointing out how "living off the land" is not that that easy since, if it was, hunter-gatherer societies(who live off the land) would not be restricted in the size of their communities as they are. i realize it was a very subtle point and all, so don't worry about it.
 
2013-01-28 07:08:31 AM

o5iiawah: Obviously what they have is too much business, free markets, school choice and not enough government.


Oh shut the hell up with that.
 
2013-01-28 07:08:47 AM

Prank Call of Cthulhu: --H. P. Lovecraft, "The Picture in the House"


I absolutely love that story.
 
2013-01-28 07:09:03 AM
North Korea serves as a living reminder of why we should fear the so-called-progressives on left.
 
2013-01-28 07:10:02 AM

david_gaithersburg: North Korea serves as a living reminder of why we should fear the so-called-progressives on left.


You too. Shut up.
 
2013-01-28 07:11:49 AM

Oznog: Sid_6.7:
Ah, the old our-children-are-missing-but-we-have-plenty-of-meat gambit. I can't say I've never tried it.

If God didn't intend us to eat our children, WHY ARE THEY MADE OF MEAT??



They're made out of meat? Disgusting.
 
2013-01-28 07:12:23 AM
Im convinced we should try this communism thing, seems like it works everywhere else it has been tried
 
2013-01-28 07:13:15 AM
Reminds me of the story that they are killing babies in incubators prior to us going to war.

I don't believe this article that the NK's eat their young and dig up the dead and boil the flesh.

I think the article is interesting and if true, we can help. There are plenty of baby boomers we can feed them.
 
2013-01-28 07:14:47 AM

Shadowknight: david_gaithersburg: North Korea serves as a living reminder of why we should fear the so-called-progressives on left.

You too. Shut up.


No, no, he makes a good point.

Step 1. Try to provide health care for everyone.
Step 2. ZOMG! SOCIALIZMZ!!!!!one1!!!!!
Step 3. ?
Step 4. You find yourself cracking open your neighbor's skull to feast on the tasty goo within.

It's a slippery slope, obviously. You start with a little bit of progressive politics and the next thing you know, the slogan "A sandwich is just a sandwich, but a manwich is a meal," has a whole new meaning.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-28 07:22:06 AM

o5iiawah: Obviously what they have is too much business, free markets, school choice and not enough government.


Yeah, it's a good thing that all the greedy capitalists are in South Korea. Think of how much worse it could be if they were still in North Korea!

Just a question - any word on how many South Koreans are reduced to cannibalism or did the drought stop at the Demilitarized Zone?
 
2013-01-28 07:23:09 AM
This inane article reeks of Jonathan Swift-Boating.
 
2013-01-28 07:25:58 AM

Onkel Buck: Im convinced we should try this communism thing, seems like it works everywhere else it has been tried


It's not communism.
...and I say this as a raging right wing lunatic.

True communism has rarely happened on a scale larger than a few thousand people. More often its the name used to cover up for a single party or autocratic government.
People use alot of pretty words to define these tyrannical monstrosities as if there was some difference. Its always the same nonsense in the end.
A Monarchy without the legitimacy of a bloodline.

/in the norks case where you're following the grandson of the founder, maybe it really is a monarchy.
 
2013-01-28 07:36:15 AM

david_gaithersburg: North Korea serves as a living reminder of why we should fear the so-called-progressives on left.


Ok, I'll bite...
What is a progressive then if people on the left aren't? If you think conservatives are forward thinking you're bat-shiat insane. Based on that statement alone you've already proven yourself to be ignorant.
 
2013-01-28 07:36:46 AM
Knows what human flesh tastes like:

www.facets.org
 
2013-01-28 07:42:35 AM

Harry_Seldon: C18H27NO3: If you could manage to kill a person that ate a person that managed to eat another person who also ate someone you'd end up with some kind of North Korean turducken.

/Sort of

I started to think about your comment, and that is just scary enough to be true. I wonder how prevalent cannabalism is North Korea?

It certainly was a problem in the British Navy at some point.


No, no, they now have the problem relatively under control.
 
2013-01-28 07:44:10 AM
They need to ban guns so their children are safe.
 
2013-01-28 07:45:57 AM

PreMortem: david_gaithersburg: North Korea serves as a living reminder of why we should fear the so-called-progressives on left.

Ok, I'll bite...
What is a progressive then if people on the left aren't? If you think conservatives are forward thinking you're bat-shiat insane. Based on that statement alone you've already proven yourself to be ignorant.


.
A so-called-progressive in incapable of working with other parties, they believe that the only way anything can get done is through one-party rule, i.e. a dictatorship. They also believe that they, and only themselves without input from others, know what is best for everyone else.

Here is a Georgetown University professor who was given air time on CBS last night. Link This nut is a farking tenured professor teaching people!!!!! He believes that the Constitution should be scrapped since it runs counter to his dictatorial fantasies.
 
2013-01-28 07:51:46 AM

NobleHam: So tell me again why the risk to Seoul is too great to justify invading this country and eliminating its leadership?


Well, it depends on if you are comfortable with 500,000-a million casualties in the first hour of conflict or not. Seoul (population 10 million) is well within artillery range of the North's guns that have had 50 years to be built deep into mountains.

Though U.S. and other allies can/would control the skies, the North does have dense (though aging) air defence. Even target strikes would have trouble eliminating the built up and well protected artillery.

Don't get me wrong--- in the end I am certain that a South Korea/U.S./Others force would win over the North (Depending on how China involves themselves or not) but the cost in civilian deaths in the South would be extreme. Even before we consider the horrors of nuclear conflict.
 
WD
2013-01-28 07:53:37 AM
One official said the fields are in such a bad state from drought that he had to avert his eyes

It's dirt, FFS!
 
2013-01-28 07:54:06 AM
Just wait until this leads to a prion-based disease turning North Koreans into zombies.
 
2013-01-28 07:56:00 AM
www.globalpost.com
 
2013-01-28 07:58:44 AM
They need more pylons.
 
2013-01-28 08:00:20 AM
Their next story will be about a cute couple that refuses to work because the gubbmint will give them human flesh for free.

Meanwhile the NK press runs stories about Jeffrey Dahmer to keep their citizens convinced that Americans are savages.
 
2013-01-28 08:08:24 AM

sminkypinky: The US should invade and impose democracy - you know, like they did in afghanistan, iraq... They were so successful, I'm sure that it would be fine.
Hang on - no oil there - so fukem.


Yes, antagonize our largest trading partner and debt holder nation, maybe you'd also like us to dip our nuts in all of the Russian vodka to complete your masterpiece of diplomatic nuance? Maybe finger bang the queen and then wipe our fingers on the Magna Carta? What other brilliant ideas do you have that are absolutely guaranteed to piss off allies we shouldn't be pissing off?
 
2013-01-28 08:12:07 AM

sminkypinky: The US should invade and impose democracy - you know, like they did in afghanistan, iraq... They were so successful, I'm sure that it would be fine.
Hang on - no oil there - so fukem.


No, you got it all wrong! It wasn't for the oil, but the (dun-dun-DUUUUNNN) WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION!!! (echo)
 
2013-01-28 08:13:16 AM
This is sadly common in human history. The Chinese, Russians and Ukranian, at the least, have both engaged in cannibalism in the last century due to starvation.
 
2013-01-28 08:17:31 AM

cabbyman: They need to ban guns so their children are safe.


Jesus, did Drew forget to fumigate this weekend?
 
2013-01-28 08:17:37 AM

DON.MAC: My BS factor was pegged with GAT_00's story when they mentioned there was no wood for cremation.  It was odd how they mentioned no wood for caskets as well like it was a wild west movie where the undertaker was making the coffins.


I wouldn't trust those undertakers if I were you.
 
2013-01-28 08:20:41 AM

Shadowknight: NobleHam: Shadowknight: NobleHam: Shadowknight: sminkypinky: The US should invade and impose democracy -


Aint gonna' be no war with a nuke owner unless there are compelling interests for the US.

Norks starving, while the same problem exists in the US, (albeit to several factors less) is not enough.
 
2013-01-28 08:21:42 AM
Well, as long as Kim Jong dipshiat is still a big fat pile of crap, that's all that really matters....right?
 
2013-01-28 08:23:48 AM
When even fermented cabbage is impossible to come by, that's a desperate state of affairs.
 
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