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(The New York Times)   If you guessed "Los Angeles" in the pool over which Catholic diocese will next turn out to have been aiding and abetting people who rape children, step up and collect your prize. City of Angels, meet pit of Devil   (nytimes.com) divider line 37
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2013-01-28 01:33:02 AM  
7 votes:
They're not "rogue priests" if they have the complete backing of the most powerful representatives of the church in the entire country.
2013-01-28 03:17:43 AM  
4 votes:

Insurgent:
i recently applied for a substitute teacher position at a catholic school (K-8). as part of the process i had to attend a class about child abuse. see VIRTUS

honestly i think it's sad that this screening process is necessary, but i understand why.

at the catholic church my parents attend, even ushers are required to take this class and they have to get a background check as well.

geometric poop, get yr shiat straight.


I don't really see how a "don't abuse children" class and a background check would have prevented any of the abuse or will prevent the inevitable future abuse. Clearly the priests already know it's wrong. And they didn't have criminal backgrounds. And the reason most of them never got criminal backgrounds was because the church hid documentation about the crimes.

And that is the critical part. And it hasn't changed. Benedict even now is fighting to keep documentation of priests' criminal activity under wraps. He had an army of lawyers go to Belgium to squash dirt from the police raid on the church headquarters. He fights tooth and nail to prevent dirt from around the world from hitting the press and attacks the press when they write about it.

So the church has made ineffectual motions while preserving the very behavior that historically promoted an environment where children were molested. Now, in the past, and in the future, the Church is a sick organization concerned more with its own public image than with the safety of the innocent.
2013-01-28 02:38:12 AM  
4 votes:

wildcardjack: I'm not a fan of religion in general, but you'd think that after 20 years of this sort of embarrassment they'd make meeting rooms more visible.


There are a lot of churches that have taken steps to prevent child abuse. The Catholics just aren't one of them. In the wake of the Catholic Church scandal, my (Unitarian) church, implemented policies to ensure it never happened at our church, including criminal background checks of anyone who works with children (like Sunday School teachers), never allowing one adult to be alone with children, and special training for church leaders.

It's a real shame that the Catholics haven't decided to adopt similar policies that protect children from predators. How many children have to be hurt before they stop believing their own bullshiat that they have some sort of moral high ground and don't need the same failsafes as other organizations?
2013-01-28 01:45:42 AM  
4 votes:

Lorelle: Old news. During the last decade, L.A. Weekly published several articles about Mahony's attempts to cover up sexual abuse by Catholic priests.


As a non-Catholic, I have to ask. Do they ever ex-communicate pedophile priests, or is that reserved for Catholic women who get too uppity?
2013-01-28 02:52:06 AM  
3 votes:

darwinpolice: They're not "rogue priests" if they have the complete backing of the most powerful representatives of the church in the entire country.


This.

Also... what happened to RICO? This guy should be being charged as an accessory in literally every criminal case resulting from molestation on his watch, minimum. Honestly my inclination would be to classify the diocese's Priesthood as a criminal organization given how widespread this was and just charge the Cardinals with every count in the first place.

Protecting the perpetrators? Fine. The buck stops with you, then. Everyone's happy.
2013-01-28 02:17:33 AM  
3 votes:

Sgt Otter: As a non-Catholic, I have to ask. Do they ever ex-communicate pedophile priests


Excommunicate? Are you kidding me? They promote the assholes.
2013-01-28 06:57:53 AM  
2 votes:

SquiggsIN: Why do so many people turn to religion after having children


Other family members pressure you into baptizing your kids into the faith of their choice, usually. Seen it many times. Failing to comply raises many hairy eyebrows.

SquiggsIN: It disturbed my wife to the point of tears that her nieces and nephews would grow up questioning logic/reason/sanity/science just so they would "fit in" with the majority of ignorant people around them.


It's somewhat disingenuous to call it "social" pressure- at least in those cases. It's not just any people you're trying to fit in with, it's your family- the people you don't get to choose to be related to. It makes a difference in the stakes- in terms of what bucking the trend is going to cost you.

SquiggsIN: The catholics have their little mitts into everything and have for thousands of years. If it weren't so profitable to be powerful, it wouldn't interest them.


That comes from the "Roman" in "Holy Roman Catholic Church". Much of what you're looking at when you look at the Church hierarchy is the old Roman imperialist system of governance. People keep pissing and moaning about separation of church and state in this country would be well-advised to observe that this is what you get when you leave them to mingle for two thousand years.
2013-01-28 06:46:09 AM  
2 votes:

SquiggsIN: The wife and I were just conversing yesterday in regard to our disappointment that our respective sisters have decided to raise their children in the christian faith. It disturbed my wife to the point of tears that her nieces and nephews would grow up questioning logic/reason/sanity/science just so they would "fit in" with the majority of ignorant people around them. We have no children of our own (and don't plan to) but, we both questioned whether it was purely them (our respective sisters) avoiding future conflict at a cost of rationality.

Why do so many people turn to religion after having children or getting older? I always thought the older a person got, the less likely they were to believe in fairy tales?! Does having children somehow delude people into thinking that a miracle must have ensued for them to have said children? Getting pregnant and having a baby is no more miraculous than eating a cheeseburger than taking a dump the next day. It's actually pretty simple biology in both cases.

The catholics have their little mitts into everything and have for thousands of years. If it weren't so profitable to be powerful, it wouldn't interest them.


I'm friends with a lesbian raised in the Mormon faith. She mentioned to me that when she has children, she wants to raise them in Mormonism because it's important that they have a moral code.

My response? Midiori through the nose. I couldn't hold back the laughter. When I finally collected my thoughts, I reminded her of WHY she left the church and indicated that if she missed any of those awful feelings - she can return to Mormonism at any time. Using a kid as a religious tool is appalling.
2013-01-28 06:45:58 AM  
2 votes:
FTA: No member of the Roman Catholic hierarchy fought longer and more energetically than Cardinal Roger Mahony of Los Angeles to conceal the decades-long scandal involving the rape and intimidation of children by rogue priests

Psst, if you're fighting to protect the priests who did these things- and you're at the highest level of the institution in which they hold that title- you really can't call them "rogue". The institution is sanctioning their actions. This isn't a deviation from the policy of that institution, it IS the policy of that institution.

Just saying.

Even reporters are playing softball with this stuff.
2013-01-28 06:14:55 AM  
2 votes:

Insurgent: SquiggsIN: Insurgent: SquiggsIN:

Why do so many people turn to religion after having children or getting older? I always thought the older a person got, the less likely they were to believe in fairy tales?!

a child is a miracle from god. old people are afraid of death. it is quite simple.

not sure if that's sarcasm or not. But, i'll play along... why fear the inevitable?

you're asking the wrong person. fear of death, The Unknown, is a great incentive for religious folk. inevitable as it may be, most people don't want to die and it is comforting to know that Heaven awaits the deceased.


There are plenty of us religious folks out here that don't even worry about what may or may not come after you die.  Why would you? Life is for the living, death  is for the dead. Live  this life, live it well and stand proudly before your deity/deities of choice. If you have to grovel or ask for "forgiveness" (of  which there is none in my own faith) or obsess about what happens after you die, if anything, you are doing something  terribly  wrong.

On a  pedo related note, years ago when the shiat first started  hitting the fan with the Catholic child abuse scandals, it was  less than a year later that a group  of Hare Krishnas found out that a couple of  their child care specialists at their commune were doin' the down n dirty with  the kids.  They didn't try to hide it, they called the cops, pronto. That's the way EVERY religious group should work. When someone from any faith path tries to  hide dishonorable behavior on the part of their clergy (or anyone else in their group) to "protect" their faith path, they're basically justifying that behavior. You protect your faith and honor your deities (if your faith has any deities) by doing what is right, not trying to cover things up that are obviously harmful to the entire organization, especially  since covering things up simply creates more harm when it does eventually come to light.
2013-01-28 02:30:42 AM  
2 votes:
um, the reason why this is news is that the internal church documents were finally made public.
2013-01-28 02:02:10 AM  
2 votes:

unlikely: /don't even try to tell me The Church is anything other than a mega-fundie republican outfit. I will laugh in your face.


They were full of scorn for Romney's and Ryans attitude to welfare.
2013-01-28 01:38:24 AM  
2 votes:
And I always wondered why the ignorant, townie Catholics I went to school with in the Northeast were such ignorant, cliquey losers.

Turns out they were around Catholic priests twice a week, it seems: CCD on Wednesday, and five o'clock mass on Sunday. Yaaah.
2013-01-28 01:25:03 AM  
2 votes:
Old news. During the last decade, L.A. Weekly published several articles about Mahony's attempts to cover up sexual abuse by Catholic priests.
2013-01-28 01:19:24 PM  
1 votes:

clane: i think you have killed about 55 million babies


Well, even though I am pro-choice, I have not been part of killing any babies or fetuses or blastocysts (or anything else you incorrectly and dishonestly call a baby).

Do you know who kills the most fetuses? Your god. He slaughters them left, right and center. Abortion doctors would be rich beyond their dreams if they could abort as many fetuses as your god. You should protest him!!
2013-01-28 12:08:52 PM  
1 votes:

Farking Canuck: clane: Catholics who overwhelmingly voted for Obama are not a religion, they are a club. Abortion is ok, drugs are ok, bigger government more control is ok...

Way to bring partisan mudslinging politics into a religion thread.

Guess what ... there are Catholics on both sides of the fences. And they all support pedophiles and pedophile protection with every dollar they send to the vatican.

P.S. Nobody is "pro-abortion" ... they are pro-choice. Nobody wants to have to have an abortion (this is a religious strawman) but they want to have the choice if they feel it is necessary. Anti-choice people are forcing their religious beliefs onto others ... which is against the constitution.


PS nobdy is anti-choice, we are pro life... but hey your doing a great job i think you have killed about 55 million babies
2013-01-28 11:35:33 AM  
1 votes:

clane: Catholics who overwhelmingly voted for Obama are not a religion, they are a club. Abortion is ok, drugs are ok, bigger government more control is ok...


Way to bring partisan mudslinging politics into a religion thread.

Guess what ... there are Catholics on both sides of the fences. And they all support pedophiles and pedophile protection with every dollar they send to the vatican.

P.S. Nobody is "pro-abortion" ... they are pro-choice. Nobody wants to have to have an abortion (this is a religious strawman) but they want to have the choice if they feel it is necessary. Anti-choice people are forcing their religious beliefs onto others ... which is against the constitution.
2013-01-28 09:13:38 AM  
1 votes:

qorkfiend: And yet, people somehow wonder why the Catholic Church lacks any sort of moral authority...


I don't wonder that.

What I wonder is how any remotely moral person can justify giving money to this scumbag organization.
2013-01-28 09:03:35 AM  
1 votes:

qorkfiend: And yet, people somehow wonder why the Catholic Church lacks any sort of moral authority...


I don't wonder that.

I wonder what sort of crazy world you have to be living in where it continues to very much exercise "moral authority" despite stuff like this.
2013-01-28 08:20:13 AM  
1 votes:
At least they aren't doing meth

Feds: 'Monsignor Meth' dealt drug, bought sex shop

The suspended Roman Catholic priest was arrested on federal drug charges this month for allegedly having methamphetamine mailed to him from co-conspirators in California and making more than $300,000 in drugs sales out of his apartment in Waterbury in the second half of last year.

Tax exempt organized crime
2013-01-28 08:19:49 AM  
1 votes:

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Insurgent: SquiggsIN: Insurgent: SquiggsIN:

Why do so many people turn to religion after having children or getting older? I always thought the older a person got, the less likely they were to believe in fairy tales?!

a child is a miracle from god. old people are afraid of death. it is quite simple.

not sure if that's sarcasm or not. But, i'll play along... why fear the inevitable?

you're asking the wrong person. fear of death, The Unknown, is a great incentive for religious folk. inevitable as it may be, most people don't want to die and it is comforting to know that Heaven awaits the deceased.

There are plenty of us religious folks out here that don't even worry about what may or may not come after you die.  Why would you? Life is for the living, death  is for the dead. Live  this life, live it well and stand proudly before your deity/deities of choice. If you have to grovel or ask for "forgiveness" (of  which there is none in my own faith) or obsess about what happens after you die, if anything, you are doing something  terribly  wrong.

On a  pedo related note, years ago when the shiat first started  hitting the fan with the Catholic child abuse scandals, it was  less than a year later that a group  of Hare Krishnas found out that a couple of  their child care specialists at their commune were doin' the down n dirty with  the kids.  They didn't try to hide it, they called the cops, pronto. That's the way EVERY religious group should work. When someone from any faith path tries to  hide dishonorable behavior on the part of their clergy (or anyone else in their group) to "protect" their faith path, they're basically justifying that behavior. You protect your faith and honor your deities (if your faith has any deities) by doing what is right, not trying to cover things up that are obviously harmful to the entire organization, especially  since covering things up simply creates more harm when it does eventually come to light.


Saying the Hare Krishnas did the right thing is like noting a stopped clock is accurate twice a day; still, I'm sure a thousand little unstretched vegan buttholes whisper a quiet "OM" at this news.
2013-01-28 07:55:48 AM  
1 votes:

biglot: It's a wonder anybody still walks into these places.


Because they are assholes.
Hypocrites.
All with punch-able faces.

Oh, and we give them a tax exemption, too.
2013-01-28 07:28:44 AM  
1 votes:

Bontesla:
I'm friends with a lesbian raised in the Mormon faith. She mentioned to me that when she has children, she wants to raise them in Mormonism because it's important that they have a moral code.


Get her a copy of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Tell her to read it to her kids every night.
2013-01-28 06:35:26 AM  
1 votes:

darwinpolice: They're not "rogue priests" if they have the complete backing of the most powerful representatives of the church in the entire country.


And each pedophile will promptly be given a relocation package to a new group of victims.

/isn't religion awesome?
2013-01-28 05:07:04 AM  
1 votes:
It isn't even worthy of noting anymore. Can't we just label them a criminal enterprise and be done with it?
2013-01-28 04:27:15 AM  
1 votes:
Well it's nice to have more info and attention, but we've known that about Mahoney for at least a decade. Last time the heat was really on was when he suddenly decided he was a huge supporter of illegal immigrant rights - and given the huge Latino population in his archdiocese, it worked, as planned. The man has always been a conniving, political scumbag. That's how you get to be archbishop, like any other high mucky muck in a big rich evil corporation.
2013-01-28 04:16:08 AM  
1 votes:

SquiggsIN: Insurgent: SquiggsIN:

Why do so many people turn to religion after having children or getting older? I always thought the older a person got, the less likely they were to believe in fairy tales?!

a child is a miracle from god. old people are afraid of death. it is quite simple.

not sure if that's sarcasm or not. But, i'll play along... why fear the inevitable?


you're asking the wrong person. fear of death, The Unknown, is a great incentive for religious folk. inevitable as it may be, most people don't want to die and it is comforting to know that Heaven awaits the deceased.
2013-01-28 03:49:39 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Insurgent: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Insurgent: at the catholic church my parents attend, even ushers are required to take this class and they have to get a background check as well.

Yeah, individual Catholic institutions have taken steps, but the Catholic Church is one of the most impressively hierarchical institutions on Earth. The people sitting at the Vatican have remarkable power to make positive changes, and they have been inexcusably reluctant to do that.

definitely in agreement there. my hope is that the downfall of The Church will be ushered in by regular catholics. people that understand that institutionalized pedophilia is indefensible.

ultimately, people will realize that the threat of "Hell" is not necessary to be a Good Person. i know so many good, real people in The Church. what they don't realize is that religion is redundant if you're not an asshole.

i'm rambling but i think you get the picture

A 'reformation', so to speak?


lol

used to be episcopalian. the priest (dunno if that's the correct term) was a lesbian. her partner attended every mass.

the real reformation will happen when religion ceases to exist and we all just treat each other as human beings.
2013-01-28 03:46:04 AM  
1 votes:

ShadowLurker: Insurgent:
i recently applied for a substitute teacher position at a catholic school (K-8). as part of the process i had to attend a class about child abuse. see VIRTUS

honestly i think it's sad that this screening process is necessary, but i understand why.

at the catholic church my parents attend, even ushers are required to take this class and they have to get a background check as well.

geometric poop, get yr shiat straight.

I don't really see how a "don't abuse children" class and a background check would have prevented any of the abuse or will prevent the inevitable future abuse. Clearly the priests already know it's wrong. And they didn't have criminal backgrounds. And the reason most of them never got criminal backgrounds was because the church hid documentation about the crimes.

And that is the critical part. And it hasn't changed. Benedict even now is fighting to keep documentation of priests' criminal activity under wraps. He had an army of lawyers go to Belgium to squash dirt from the police raid on the church headquarters. He fights tooth and nail to prevent dirt from around the world from hitting the press and attacks the press when they write about it.

So the church has made ineffectual motions while preserving the very behavior that historically promoted an environment where children were molested. Now, in the past, and in the future, the Church is a sick organization concerned more with its own public image than with the safety of the innocent.


you make some good points. that VIRTUS shiat i mentioned is basically an insurance company covering liability. the idea is to discourage pedos by making them take a class. i recall thinking, "wow, if i were an actual pedo i could learn some good strategies to avoid suspicion.

the classes are symbolic at best, and won't eliminate systematic cover-ups of child abuse.
2013-01-28 03:42:41 AM  
1 votes:

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Insurgent: at the catholic church my parents attend, even ushers are required to take this class and they have to get a background check as well.

Yeah, individual Catholic institutions have taken steps, but the Catholic Church is one of the most impressively hierarchical institutions on Earth. The people sitting at the Vatican have remarkable power to make positive changes, and they have been inexcusably reluctant to do that.


hello
it would require the church to ADMIT what they did. that they have been covering this shiat up for decades, if not centuries. Abusive assholes NEVER admit that they are criminals.

farkers need to be put on the terrorist organization list
LOL
sigh
I know ... as long as there are so many of them, we will never deal with this problem
2013-01-28 03:14:13 AM  
1 votes:

Insurgent: at the catholic church my parents attend, even ushers are required to take this class and they have to get a background check as well.


Yeah, individual Catholic institutions have taken steps, but the Catholic Church is one of the most impressively hierarchical institutions on Earth. The people sitting at the Vatican have remarkable power to make positive changes, and they have been inexcusably reluctant to do that.
2013-01-28 02:36:53 AM  
1 votes:
Well, they are the same folks who brought us the Inquisition.

/"the Inquisition's here and it's here to staaaaay!"
2013-01-28 02:22:56 AM  
1 votes:
Ugh. Please leave little boys alone, pedos. You are sick and need help.

Oh, and subby, this guy has been in legal trouble over litigation for boy rape for more than a decade. This is probably the 20th time (a low end estimate) that a "breaking news" story on fark declares this to be "another" cover up.
2013-01-28 02:17:24 AM  
1 votes:
I'm not a fan of religion in general, but you'd think that after 20 years of this sort of embarrassment they'd make meeting rooms more visible.

A confidential confession is done verbally, but the pedophilia is a visible action. So... glass booths, and meeting rooms with "one way" mirrors so things aren't being done so sub-rosa a priest can stick his dick in kids.

But I guess if they could learn anything they wouldn't be religious.
2013-01-28 01:43:07 AM  
1 votes:
I could launch into a terrible anti-catholic rant, but I think Tim Minchin can do it so much better than I:

Link

Not safe for work, catholics, or those offended by the F word..
2013-01-28 01:39:32 AM  
1 votes:

Lorelle: Old news. During the last decade, L.A. Weekly published several articles about Mahony's attempts to cover up sexual abuse by Catholic priests.


And this week, it's been above-the-fold headlines in the LA Times.

He's going down, and not in the sexual way.
2013-01-28 12:10:26 AM  
1 votes:
Msgr. Peter Garcia, who admitted specializing in the rape of Latino immigrant children

Msgr. Peter Garcia, Specialist Pedophile.
 
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