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(The New York Times)   If you guessed "Los Angeles" in the pool over which Catholic diocese will next turn out to have been aiding and abetting people who rape children, step up and collect your prize. City of Angels, meet pit of Devil   (nytimes.com) divider line 115
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2013-01-28 06:14:55 AM  

Insurgent: SquiggsIN: Insurgent: SquiggsIN:

Why do so many people turn to religion after having children or getting older? I always thought the older a person got, the less likely they were to believe in fairy tales?!

a child is a miracle from god. old people are afraid of death. it is quite simple.

not sure if that's sarcasm or not. But, i'll play along... why fear the inevitable?

you're asking the wrong person. fear of death, The Unknown, is a great incentive for religious folk. inevitable as it may be, most people don't want to die and it is comforting to know that Heaven awaits the deceased.


There are plenty of us religious folks out here that don't even worry about what may or may not come after you die.  Why would you? Life is for the living, death  is for the dead. Live  this life, live it well and stand proudly before your deity/deities of choice. If you have to grovel or ask for "forgiveness" (of  which there is none in my own faith) or obsess about what happens after you die, if anything, you are doing something  terribly  wrong.

On a  pedo related note, years ago when the shiat first started  hitting the fan with the Catholic child abuse scandals, it was  less than a year later that a group  of Hare Krishnas found out that a couple of  their child care specialists at their commune were doin' the down n dirty with  the kids.  They didn't try to hide it, they called the cops, pronto. That's the way EVERY religious group should work. When someone from any faith path tries to  hide dishonorable behavior on the part of their clergy (or anyone else in their group) to "protect" their faith path, they're basically justifying that behavior. You protect your faith and honor your deities (if your faith has any deities) by doing what is right, not trying to cover things up that are obviously harmful to the entire organization, especially  since covering things up simply creates more harm when it does eventually come to light.
 
2013-01-28 06:26:36 AM  

namatad: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Insurgent: at the catholic church my parents attend, even ushers are required to take this class and they have to get a background check as well.

Yeah, individual Catholic institutions have taken steps, but the Catholic Church is one of the most impressively hierarchical institutions on Earth. The people sitting at the Vatican have remarkable power to make positive changes, and they have been inexcusably reluctant to do that.

hello
it would require the church to ADMIT what they did. that they have been covering this shiat up for decades, if not centuries. Abusive assholes NEVER admit that they are criminals.

farkers need to be put on the terrorist organization list
LOL
sigh
I know ... as long as there are so many of them, we will never deal with this problem


Your ignorance is outstanding. The criminals of the Roman Catholic Church don't have to admit to anything; the newspaper articles and the billions of dollars paid out worldwide due to allowing and covering up paedophilia/child molestation by Priests screams their guilt from the rooftops for the past twenty years and there is no end in sight.

Catholics have been leaving the Church and often their faith in droves. Those who remain faithful are either seeking out other houses of worship, non-denominational houses of worship, they may choose to seek inspiration from televised broadcasts or to just quietly practice their faith in the privacy of their own homes.

And how can you write "we will never deal with this problem"? The problem is well known, people are being prosecuted, the media is giving the subject huge coverage, the victims are coming forward, billions have been paid out in damages to satisfy lawsuits and Vatican City / the Roman Catholic Church has become a hated institution at their own hands. The problem is most certainly being dealt with. Think before you type.

Meanwhile other houses of worship, religious institutions and organizations that deal with children are taking great steps to make certain these abuses will not be tolerated. The times mostly certainly are changing and for you not to recognize that shows incredible ignorance.
 
2013-01-28 06:33:44 AM  
Wow...only 5 days late, Subby
 
2013-01-28 06:35:26 AM  

darwinpolice: They're not "rogue priests" if they have the complete backing of the most powerful representatives of the church in the entire country.


And each pedophile will promptly be given a relocation package to a new group of victims.

/isn't religion awesome?
 
2013-01-28 06:38:23 AM  
If only there were some terrible, severely uncomfortable place to send these worthless bastards, and the institutions who systematically protect them, to rot.
 
2013-01-28 06:45:58 AM  
FTA: No member of the Roman Catholic hierarchy fought longer and more energetically than Cardinal Roger Mahony of Los Angeles to conceal the decades-long scandal involving the rape and intimidation of children by rogue priests

Psst, if you're fighting to protect the priests who did these things- and you're at the highest level of the institution in which they hold that title- you really can't call them "rogue". The institution is sanctioning their actions. This isn't a deviation from the policy of that institution, it IS the policy of that institution.

Just saying.

Even reporters are playing softball with this stuff.
 
2013-01-28 06:46:09 AM  

SquiggsIN: The wife and I were just conversing yesterday in regard to our disappointment that our respective sisters have decided to raise their children in the christian faith. It disturbed my wife to the point of tears that her nieces and nephews would grow up questioning logic/reason/sanity/science just so they would "fit in" with the majority of ignorant people around them. We have no children of our own (and don't plan to) but, we both questioned whether it was purely them (our respective sisters) avoiding future conflict at a cost of rationality.

Why do so many people turn to religion after having children or getting older? I always thought the older a person got, the less likely they were to believe in fairy tales?! Does having children somehow delude people into thinking that a miracle must have ensued for them to have said children? Getting pregnant and having a baby is no more miraculous than eating a cheeseburger than taking a dump the next day. It's actually pretty simple biology in both cases.

The catholics have their little mitts into everything and have for thousands of years. If it weren't so profitable to be powerful, it wouldn't interest them.


I'm friends with a lesbian raised in the Mormon faith. She mentioned to me that when she has children, she wants to raise them in Mormonism because it's important that they have a moral code.

My response? Midiori through the nose. I couldn't hold back the laughter. When I finally collected my thoughts, I reminded her of WHY she left the church and indicated that if she missed any of those awful feelings - she can return to Mormonism at any time. Using a kid as a religious tool is appalling.
 
2013-01-28 06:57:53 AM  

SquiggsIN: Why do so many people turn to religion after having children


Other family members pressure you into baptizing your kids into the faith of their choice, usually. Seen it many times. Failing to comply raises many hairy eyebrows.

SquiggsIN: It disturbed my wife to the point of tears that her nieces and nephews would grow up questioning logic/reason/sanity/science just so they would "fit in" with the majority of ignorant people around them.


It's somewhat disingenuous to call it "social" pressure- at least in those cases. It's not just any people you're trying to fit in with, it's your family- the people you don't get to choose to be related to. It makes a difference in the stakes- in terms of what bucking the trend is going to cost you.

SquiggsIN: The catholics have their little mitts into everything and have for thousands of years. If it weren't so profitable to be powerful, it wouldn't interest them.


That comes from the "Roman" in "Holy Roman Catholic Church". Much of what you're looking at when you look at the Church hierarchy is the old Roman imperialist system of governance. People keep pissing and moaning about separation of church and state in this country would be well-advised to observe that this is what you get when you leave them to mingle for two thousand years.
 
2013-01-28 07:00:15 AM  
Wait...they actually make notes and keep records of the rapings?

Then they try to hide them up instead buying an industrial paper shredder when the poo hits the air moving device?

/Speechless
 
2013-01-28 07:09:22 AM  

Bontesla: SquiggsIN: The wife and I were just conversing yesterday in regard to our disappointment that our respective sisters have decided to raise their children in the christian faith. It disturbed my wife to the point of tears that her nieces and nephews would grow up questioning logic/reason/sanity/science just so they would "fit in" with the majority of ignorant people around them. We have no children of our own (and don't plan to) but, we both questioned whether it was purely them (our respective sisters) avoiding future conflict at a cost of rationality.

Why do so many people turn to religion after having children or getting older? I always thought the older a person got, the less likely they were to believe in fairy tales?! Does having children somehow delude people into thinking that a miracle must have ensued for them to have said children? Getting pregnant and having a baby is no more miraculous than eating a cheeseburger than taking a dump the next day. It's actually pretty simple biology in both cases.

The catholics have their little mitts into everything and have for thousands of years. If it weren't so profitable to be powerful, it wouldn't interest them.

I'm friends with a lesbian raised in the Mormon faith. She mentioned to me that when she has children, she wants to raise them in Mormonism because it's important that they have a moral code.

My response? Midiori through the nose. I couldn't hold back the laughter. When I finally collected my thoughts, I reminded her of WHY she left the church and indicated that if she missed any of those awful feelings - she can return to Mormonism at any time. Using a kid as a religious tool is appalling.



Seriously? Are  people still under  the delusion that  morals come from religions that basically tell you not to do things, but if you do, you just apologize to the  deity in question and you're clear? That's not a moral structure, that's a free pass for poor behavior.  I've always considered morality to be a byproduct of your upbringing and your culture. What  is considered highly immoral in some places is par for the course in others and is not viewed as wrong at all. Morality is not absolute by any means, not even within the  same base faith. Just compare the attitudes toward the disadvantaged in officially Lutheran Scandinavian countries and the attitudes toward the disadvantaged in the US, which some like to fancy a Christian country. There's no way both ways of  dealing with the poor and  needy can be considered right and moral by religious standards of the shared  base faith, yet for the individual cultures, their ways of dealing  with such things IS the right and moral way of doing things.

How about just teaching the kiddos not to be d-bags and if they are being d-bags, that they and they alone are responsible for their behavior. Apologizing to a deity or animal spirit or your disir or whatever will not get you out of taking responsibility for your own behavior, so check yourself little dudes. That would seem to be a much more sensible way of doing things. If the kids want to be  spiritual seekers, support them in their explorations (as long as they're not harming others, of course), but for pity's sake, don't give 'em baggage they don't need.

/the magic underpants would be cool though
//if they were actually magic
 
2013-01-28 07:09:46 AM  

Huck And Molly Ziegler: Well, they are the same folks who brought us the Inquisition.

/"the Inquisition's here and it's here to staaaaay!"


I wasn't expecting that.
 
2013-01-28 07:18:12 AM  
Ok, I'm just not getting the Steve Gutenberg references. Yeesh, Im gone for a few days, and everything changes...
 
2013-01-28 07:27:47 AM  

farkingnotworking: Ok, I'm just not getting the Steve Gutenberg references. Yeesh, Im gone for a few days, and everything changes...


Quick, what was the name of his character in the Police Academy films?
 
2013-01-28 07:28:44 AM  

Bontesla:
I'm friends with a lesbian raised in the Mormon faith. She mentioned to me that when she has children, she wants to raise them in Mormonism because it's important that they have a moral code.


Get her a copy of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Tell her to read it to her kids every night.
 
2013-01-28 07:39:22 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: /the magic underpants would be cool though


I don't know what magic underpants do.

But I know I want some.
 
2013-01-28 07:40:53 AM  
Most sexually mature animals are driven to mate with sexually mature creatures of the opposite sex. As with any living thing, there are some aberrations, e.g. a bull attempting coitus with a pre-estrus heifer, a male dog mounting another male, etc. I haven't figured out precisely why so many humans direct their sexual efforts toward children and members of the same gender, but among the culprits appear to be our ability to overcome nature with our intellect coupled with the animal drive for primacy and power. With exception for a person who is incapable of knowing right from wrong, it would not bother me to learn that Mahony or any other adult who sexually assaults a child, whether by force or through their money and position, has been beaten and kicked to death and can harm no more.
 
2013-01-28 07:46:26 AM  
Drip, drip, drip. Trickle-down in action. Inaction? Last week, to save a few bucks, it was babies are not really people yet, or something. But one of my favorites(?) has to be ... Catholic Church stole Spanish babies, resold them. It's a wonder anybody still walks into these places. What really makes me wonder is one of my sisters. She's extremely catholic. Except that if one of her boys had been diddled in the penalty box, she'd have gone full-tilt nuclear on their sordid asses.
 
2013-01-28 07:55:48 AM  

biglot: It's a wonder anybody still walks into these places.


Because they are assholes.
Hypocrites.
All with punch-able faces.

Oh, and we give them a tax exemption, too.
 
2013-01-28 08:16:42 AM  

SquiggsIN: Valiente: SquiggsIN: Insurgent: SquiggsIN:

Why do so many people turn to religion after having children or getting older? I always thought the older a person got, the less likely they were to believe in fairy tales?!

a child is a miracle from god. old people are afraid of death. it is quite simple.

not sure if that's sarcasm or not. But, i'll play along... why fear the inevitable?

Because people still want to avoid the inevitable, particularly religious people, who tend to have ambiguous feelings about the afterlife, particularly if they've cornholed children.

yet some of the hyper-religious seem more than willing to embrace death so they can "meet their maker" that much sooner... whether that be extremists/terrorists/fundies/culties/etc.


Needless to say, I'm OK with this, particularly if they haven't bred yet.
 
2013-01-28 08:19:49 AM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Insurgent: SquiggsIN: Insurgent: SquiggsIN:

Why do so many people turn to religion after having children or getting older? I always thought the older a person got, the less likely they were to believe in fairy tales?!

a child is a miracle from god. old people are afraid of death. it is quite simple.

not sure if that's sarcasm or not. But, i'll play along... why fear the inevitable?

you're asking the wrong person. fear of death, The Unknown, is a great incentive for religious folk. inevitable as it may be, most people don't want to die and it is comforting to know that Heaven awaits the deceased.

There are plenty of us religious folks out here that don't even worry about what may or may not come after you die.  Why would you? Life is for the living, death  is for the dead. Live  this life, live it well and stand proudly before your deity/deities of choice. If you have to grovel or ask for "forgiveness" (of  which there is none in my own faith) or obsess about what happens after you die, if anything, you are doing something  terribly  wrong.

On a  pedo related note, years ago when the shiat first started  hitting the fan with the Catholic child abuse scandals, it was  less than a year later that a group  of Hare Krishnas found out that a couple of  their child care specialists at their commune were doin' the down n dirty with  the kids.  They didn't try to hide it, they called the cops, pronto. That's the way EVERY religious group should work. When someone from any faith path tries to  hide dishonorable behavior on the part of their clergy (or anyone else in their group) to "protect" their faith path, they're basically justifying that behavior. You protect your faith and honor your deities (if your faith has any deities) by doing what is right, not trying to cover things up that are obviously harmful to the entire organization, especially  since covering things up simply creates more harm when it does eventually come to light.


Saying the Hare Krishnas did the right thing is like noting a stopped clock is accurate twice a day; still, I'm sure a thousand little unstretched vegan buttholes whisper a quiet "OM" at this news.
 
2013-01-28 08:20:13 AM  
At least they aren't doing meth

Feds: 'Monsignor Meth' dealt drug, bought sex shop

The suspended Roman Catholic priest was arrested on federal drug charges this month for allegedly having methamphetamine mailed to him from co-conspirators in California and making more than $300,000 in drugs sales out of his apartment in Waterbury in the second half of last year.

Tax exempt organized crime
 
2013-01-28 08:21:38 AM  

reubendaley: Most sexually mature animals are driven to mate with sexually mature creatures of the opposite sex. As with any living thing, there are some aberrations, e.g. a bull attempting coitus with a pre-estrus heifer, a male dog mounting another male, etc. I haven't figured out precisely why so many humans direct their sexual efforts toward children and members of the same gender, but among the culprits appear to be our ability to overcome nature with our intellect coupled with the animal drive for primacy and power. With exception for a person who is incapable of knowing right from wrong, it would not bother me to learn that Mahony or any other adult who sexually assaults a child, whether by force or through their money and position, has been beaten and kicked to death and can harm no more.


You I like.
 
2013-01-28 08:22:54 AM  

reubendaley: Most sexually mature animals are driven to mate with sexually mature creatures of the opposite sex. ... I haven't figured out precisely why so many humans direct their sexual efforts toward ... members of the same gender, but among the culprits appear to be our ability to overcome nature with our intellect coupled with the animal drive for primacy and power.


You aren't married, are you?
 
2013-01-28 08:23:24 AM  
This is clearly the fault of the Gays and their agenda!
They have infiltrated the Church and must be stopped!
 
2013-01-28 08:25:02 AM  
We expect idiotic behaviour from Kalifornia. Its when normal states to stupid crap that we're surprised.
 
2013-01-28 08:41:08 AM  
What's the deal with the Catholics and raping little boys? Is it because little boys are the only thing readily available to them or has it become a chosen profession among people who already have a predilection towards pedophilia? How long do we think this has been going on? Something tells me this isn't a new problem as the Church seems to have institutionalized the way it deals with these kinds of priests, even at the highest level, which means it's an issue they're had plenty of experience dealing with. I just fail to see how priests are able to reconcile an apparent abomination with their righteous position.
 
2013-01-28 08:49:50 AM  
Sgt Otter: As a non-Catholic, I have to ask. Do they ever ex-communicate pedophile priests?
OgreMagi: Excommunicate? Are you kidding me? They promote the assholes.

That is what makes this case so sickening. Then Archbishop Assh*le took power in 1985. These reports are from 1987, which means he knew almost right away. Seven years later in 1994, it was him that appointed his aide Curry as a bishop, where he remains today, 19 years later.

The two of them are both still alive and living the good life that the Catholic church endows upon their Bishops. In a decent and just society, the two of them would be frog marched to jail without bond and put in with the general prison population until their trial. But this is not only the United States, this is California, which is renowned for giving the wealthy special treatment.
 
2013-01-28 08:50:16 AM  
FTFA: "he and a top aide concocted cynical strategies to keep police authorities in the dark and habitual offenders beyond the reach of criminal prosecution"

This about sums it up: If you give money to the catholic church you are paying to cover up criminal acts against children.

There is only one way to make them clean house ... cut off the money. It is the only language they understand.
 
2013-01-28 08:52:11 AM  

DubtodaIll: I just fail to see how priests are able to reconcile an apparent abomination with their righteous position.


The exact same way televangelists justify spending time in hotel rooms with dozens of hookers and huge piles of cocaine.

ie. That whole "religion" thing is just a scam and they know it.

I assume anybody who signs up to be a real priest in the Catholic Church is never given any real power or authority. The guys at the top are certainly in it for the creature comforts.
 
2013-01-28 08:54:39 AM  

DubtodaIll: What's the deal with the Catholics and raping little boys?


If you're seriously asking that question?

I've seen interviews with convicted priest/pedophiles. They cited the lack of a family of their own (Catholic Priests are supposed to remain celibate- that means no wife, no children, ever), and a need to become closer to the only "family" they're allowed- their own parish.

I don't know that it's any excuse, of course, but for all the talk from that corner about what God thinks a marriage is made of few seem to be able to use that same lens when examining the celibacy rule. Seems unnatural to expect that from any human being. Then again, the Church has long taught that Priests- by way of their piety- are shades higher than "mere mortals".

Hell, the priesthood is suffering badly from a lack of new blood- new recruits. A relaxation of stringent requirements like this might make a difference from a purely functional standpoint, but no. Can't do that, because it involves doing the one thing you can't do in faiths of this nature- admit you might have been wrong for a good long while (at least).

DubtodaIll: I just fail to see how priests are able to reconcile an apparent abomination with their righteous position.


Now that is something the Catholic church has been good at for two-thousand years running. Though, to be fair, again, they learned from the best: the Roman Imperial system of government.
 
2013-01-28 08:57:18 AM  

unlikely: [niftycraft.com image 360x216]

/don't even try to tell me The Church is anything other than a mega-fundie republican outfit. I will laugh in your face.


OK, I won't.

Does your laugh resemble that of a jackass?

"Having figured out I have no use for idiots and trolls, I use ignore. A lot. I actually like talking to people with whom I disagree, but if you prove to me that you've got nothing useful to contribute, off to ignore land with you. I don't expect you to be wounded by this, just don't be surprised if I don't respond to your posts. If this does bother you, feel free to mail me and prove me wrong, but use complete sentences or you'll likely wind up filtered there too."

Translation: NO NO NO NO DON"T BOTHER ME I LIVE IN MY OWN LITTLE REALITY BUBBLE.

As proven by your post.

Actually, me thinks that you doth protesteth way too much, and are, in fact, an actual troll (as opposed to a "troll" who is defined as such because the definer has nothing else to say to defend their own position - which is also apparently something you do a lot, flinging the "troll" accusation about) and are also an educated idiot. Therefore, I am going to do you the singular honor of your being only the 2nd person on Fark to be placed on my ignore list. Bye now.

Oh, yes, here are some more monkeys for your collection on your profile. These ones are actually more apropos to you. You may or may not be intelligent enough to see their connection to you.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-28 08:57:18 AM  

DarkLancelot: I can say that I know I'm going to die and am comfortable with that but if I can hold it off forever I'd be fine with that too.


The first two or three times are the worst. After that you start to get the hang of it.

/buddhist
 
2013-01-28 09:00:28 AM  
And yet, people somehow wonder why the Catholic Church lacks any sort of moral authority...
 
2013-01-28 09:03:35 AM  

qorkfiend: And yet, people somehow wonder why the Catholic Church lacks any sort of moral authority...


I don't wonder that.

I wonder what sort of crazy world you have to be living in where it continues to very much exercise "moral authority" despite stuff like this.
 
2013-01-28 09:11:47 AM  

Joce678: Wait...they actually make notes and keep records of the rapings?

Then they try to hide them up instead buying an industrial paper shredder when the poo hits the air moving device?


Those are the ones who get caught.
 
2013-01-28 09:13:38 AM  

qorkfiend: And yet, people somehow wonder why the Catholic Church lacks any sort of moral authority...


I don't wonder that.

What I wonder is how any remotely moral person can justify giving money to this scumbag organization.
 
2013-01-28 09:13:46 AM  

varmitydog: Sgt Otter: As a non-Catholic, I have to ask. Do they ever ex-communicate pedophile priests?
OgreMagi: Excommunicate? Are you kidding me? They promote the assholes.

That is what makes this case so sickening. Then Archbishop Assh*le took power in 1985. These reports are from 1987, which means he knew almost right away. Seven years later in 1994, it was him that appointed his aide Curry as a bishop, where he remains today, 19 years later.

The two of them are both still alive and living the good life that the Catholic church endows upon their Bishops. In a decent and just society, the two of them would be frog marched to jail without bond and put in with the general prison population until their trial. But this is not only the United States, this is California, which is renowned for giving the wealthy special treatment.


If you think California's the only state where that happens you're nuts. It IS the American way.
 
2013-01-28 09:20:51 AM  

Jim_Callahan: Also... what happened to RICO? This guy should be being charged as an accessory in literally every criminal case resulting from molestation on his watch, minimum. Honestly my inclination would be to classify the diocese's Priesthood as a criminal organization given how widespread this was and just charge the Cardinals with every count in the first place.


I say this ALL the time.
 
2013-01-28 09:27:21 AM  
I do not understand the outrage. The church was not officiating same-sex unions, thus no actual moral harm occurred.
 
2013-01-28 09:29:40 AM  

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: unlikely: [niftycraft.com image 360x216]

/don't even try to tell me The Church is anything other than a mega-fundie republican outfit. I will laugh in your face.

OK, I won't.

Does your laugh resemble that of a jackass?

"Having figured out I have no use for idiots and trolls, I use ignore. A lot. I actually like talking to people with whom I disagree, but if you prove to me that you've got nothing useful to contribute, off to ignore land with you. I don't expect you to be wounded by this, just don't be surprised if I don't respond to your posts. If this does bother you, feel free to mail me and prove me wrong, but use complete sentences or you'll likely wind up filtered there too."

Translation: NO NO NO NO DON"T BOTHER ME I LIVE IN MY OWN LITTLE REALITY BUBBLE.

As proven by your post.

Actually, me thinks that you doth protesteth way too much, and are, in fact, an actual troll (as opposed to a "troll" who is defined as such because the definer has nothing else to say to defend their own position - which is also apparently something you do a lot, flinging the "troll" accusation about) and are also an educated idiot. Therefore, I am going to do you the singular honor of your being only the 2nd person on Fark to be placed on my ignore list. Bye now.

Oh, yes, here are some more monkeys for your collection on your profile. These ones are actually more apropos to you. You may or may not be intelligent enough to see their connection to you.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 800x600]


WTF? After posting the above, I went back to the thread to to put this chucklehead on ignore and his post was gone? Does Fark now have prescient mods who anticipate the actions of Fark users? (Slowly backs away from the screen and looks for the aluminum foil....)
 
2013-01-28 09:31:55 AM  

darwinpolice: They're not "rogue priests" if they have the complete backing of the most powerful representatives of the church in the entire country.


Hey, now, I'm pretty sure it's only one or two bad apples responsible for this systemic, organization-wide cover-up of habitual, repeated child rape in the Catholic Church.
 
2013-01-28 09:33:22 AM  

Pribar: Hey its not like they did anything really bad like see a woman naked want to marry the young boys the are molesting, or some other major sin like that...


FTFY.
 
2013-01-28 09:44:22 AM  

darwinpolice: They're not "rogue priests" if they have the complete backing of the most powerful representatives of the church in the entire country.


^This
 
2013-01-28 09:52:41 AM  
No no no, only football obsessed midwestern towns allow this kind of thing...
 
2013-01-28 10:20:02 AM  
Catholics who overwhelmingly voted for Obama are not a religion, they are a club. Abortion is ok, drugs are ok, bigger government more control is ok...
 
2013-01-28 10:45:47 AM  

clane: Catholics who overwhelmingly voted for Obama are not a religion, they are a club. Abortion is ok, drugs are ok, bigger government more control is ok...


Abortion: ok, the Church is pretty much against that.

Drugs: yeah, not a good idea

Bigger Government: the Church is certainly not against this at all.  Recall that the Pope called Paul Ryan's budget closer to Ayn Rand than Christianity.  And then there's a host of things that the Church has no problem with the government doing: feeding the poor, housing the homeless, universal health care...

And then there's the death penalty...

There are tons of ways in which the Church is liberal.  It gets a bad rep (aside from the child rape thing) because the most vocal tend to be cafeteria Catholics who pick and choose which Church teachings they're going to voice, and which they'll pretend don't exist.
 
2013-01-28 11:35:33 AM  

clane: Catholics who overwhelmingly voted for Obama are not a religion, they are a club. Abortion is ok, drugs are ok, bigger government more control is ok...


Way to bring partisan mudslinging politics into a religion thread.

Guess what ... there are Catholics on both sides of the fences. And they all support pedophiles and pedophile protection with every dollar they send to the vatican.

P.S. Nobody is "pro-abortion" ... they are pro-choice. Nobody wants to have to have an abortion (this is a religious strawman) but they want to have the choice if they feel it is necessary. Anti-choice people are forcing their religious beliefs onto others ... which is against the constitution.
 
2013-01-28 11:47:09 AM  

Jim_Callahan: darwinpolice: They're not "rogue priests" if they have the complete backing of the most powerful representatives of the church in the entire country.

This.

Also... what happened to RICO? This guy should be being charged as an accessory in literally every criminal case resulting from molestation on his watch, minimum. Honestly my inclination would be to classify the diocese's Priesthood as a criminal organization given how widespread this was and just charge the Cardinals with every count in the first place.

Protecting the perpetrators? Fine. The buck stops with you, then. Everyone's happy.


I wouldn't be surprised if this were to happen soon, especially if Law Enforcement meets resistance with the local clergy
 
2013-01-28 12:08:52 PM  

Farking Canuck: clane: Catholics who overwhelmingly voted for Obama are not a religion, they are a club. Abortion is ok, drugs are ok, bigger government more control is ok...

Way to bring partisan mudslinging politics into a religion thread.

Guess what ... there are Catholics on both sides of the fences. And they all support pedophiles and pedophile protection with every dollar they send to the vatican.

P.S. Nobody is "pro-abortion" ... they are pro-choice. Nobody wants to have to have an abortion (this is a religious strawman) but they want to have the choice if they feel it is necessary. Anti-choice people are forcing their religious beliefs onto others ... which is against the constitution.


PS nobdy is anti-choice, we are pro life... but hey your doing a great job i think you have killed about 55 million babies
 
2013-01-28 12:38:55 PM  
People are STILL going to the church and giving these assholes money.

Makes no sense to me.

If you give them $0.01 you're giving child molesters your approval.
 
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