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2013-01-28 12:20:46 AM
21 votes:
i.imgur.com
2013-01-28 12:25:23 AM
13 votes:
It's terrifying. There are almost no doctors left in the country that perform late term abortions- almost no options left for women who have really terrible pregnancy complications or who find out late in a pregnancy that their wanted child will be born into a short life of terrible pain.

George Tiller was a really good man, who took really hard cases and provided incredibly compassionate care. The stories his patients tell about him make me cry every time I read them.

Dr. Leroy Carhart, who has a similar practice, has to wear a bullet proof vest everywhere he goes. His clinic has to have armed guards. His family has to be protected at all times.

It gets very, very frustrating  for people in reproductive health advocacy to see how much is tolerated extremism is tolerated on this issue. It also gets frustrating to see both sides treated as equal- last I checked, there were no pro-choice health care advocate militia groups organized around threatening opponents with bodily harm.
2013-01-28 02:37:39 AM
8 votes:
I live in Kansas and one of my good friends went to Boy Scouts with Roeder's kids. Apparently, according to my friend, Roeder was often abusive to his kids. It was pretty well known in their social circles that he was an absolute bastard to his kids

Anyway, I always found it funny that the guy who wanted so much to defend fetuses but was more than willing to treat his own sentient children like shiat. Funny in a ridiculously sad sort of way.

But honestly it kind of beautifully (or tragically) captures the sentiment of the GOP as a whole. They sure as shiat want to see that you are born, but God help you if you are poor because you are fark-E-D. Doesn't matter if you didn't choose to be born to a poor, single mother, you better start bootstrapping or Sarah Palin is going to come out of the Great White North and deck you in the face.

I might have more sympathy for the anti-choice movement if they had plans and funding in place to help poor children. Instead they ostracize them and call their mothers welfare queens. They honestly don't give a shiat about kids once they are born and therefore they give many women every reason to want to abort a pregnancy. Who wants to live in abject poverty and be ostracized? With no mandatory maternity leave many women have to choose between the life of their fetus and their jobs. But guess who doesn't want any sort of decent maternity leave, that's right, those zany Republicans.

I could go on all day about education and healthcare and every wonderful thing that these poor children don't get in this country (but they sure do in Europe). People love to get emotional about babies, it's natural, hell it's in our DNA, but you can't just prevent a fetus from getting killed and expect everything will be hunky-farking-dory.

Well, I know this won't change anyone's mind, so I'm just going to continue being for abortion. Don't kids yourselves, GOP folk, I know you don't give a shiat about babies once they are born.
2013-01-28 02:02:21 AM
6 votes:

douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby
2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.
3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.


img.timeinc.net

Is that close enough?
2013-01-27 10:56:23 PM
6 votes:

hubiestubert: Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.


www.velvetrevolution.us

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...
2013-01-28 12:32:33 AM
5 votes:
We have these people and gangs, yet we're gonna fight a bunch of angry farmers on camels with AK-47s 3000 miles away.
2013-01-27 10:28:48 PM
5 votes:
Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.
2013-01-27 09:32:40 PM
5 votes:
Well, at least letters and donations from this asshole's "admirers" should let us keep better track of them.


Other activists are now writing legal briefs for Roeder to file himself, arguing Tiller's death was necessary to defend the unborn.

Yeah, good luck with that.
2013-01-28 08:25:17 AM
4 votes:
i propose we just cut to the chase and start feeding christians to the lions, then abortions will be legal and uncontested

problem solved

but first things first, we should censor any of their posts to prevent any corruption of our pure anti-christian minds

madmikesamerica.com

if we have to keep a religion around, because of the bleeding hearts, i suggest we tolerate islam, since it is the religion of peace (as i have no doubt has already been pointed out in this thread, yet again)

how soon can we open a cross factory?
2013-01-28 01:52:52 AM
4 votes:

david_gaithersburg: Growing up white in Baltimore I've only been a victim of racism.


No, you haven't. It's very possible that you've experienced prejudice, even likely- I grew up white in New Orleans, so I understand feeling very uncomfortable in your own privilege.

But you know what? There was no institutional power behind the prejudice you experienced. You weren't being harassed by black cops, appearing before black judges, being taught by black teachers, and represented by black politicians. Your parents and grandparents weren't denied educational opportunities and housing opportunities and all of the other things that go into building security and comfort.

There's a very different power balance and history behind being white in a majority black area and being black in a majority white area. Even a very quick examination of American history should make that much very clear.
2013-01-28 01:31:56 AM
4 votes:

david_gaithersburg: Only you can tell us, so how racist are you?


A lot less racist than I was raised to be. Not necessarily by my parents, but by absorbing cultural attitudes and the prevailing attitudes of people around me. It wasn't until I was an adult and until I started actively reading perspectives from people of color on racism and until I started actively seeking out information about social and political inequality that I was able to start to unravel all the toxic ideas you absorb without realizing you're doing it.

Stuff like the idea that black people are needlessly resentful of a system that represents them just fine. Stuff like the idea that the criminal justice system is fair, and that America is a country that provides justice for all. Stuff like the idea that poverty is somehow tied up in the moral failings of the poor.

It took a lot of time and a lot of work to get through that much bullshiat.
2013-01-28 01:16:25 AM
4 votes:
Maybe the pro-life people should talk to God about how he randomly slaughters innocents with natural disasters, strikes down innocents with diseases, inflicts innocents with cancers and disorders, and allows innocents to be killed by "evil" people. To say nothing of the millions of fertilized embryos that never implant, thousands of miscarriages that occur each year, and the hundreds of thousands of children starving and being beaten and killed. To say nothing of how God will one day utterly destroy all of creation and send 98% of all humans who ever existed to an eternity of unspeakable torture.

"It's all part of God's mysterious plan", they say? Then God is a monster worse than all of humanity's monsters combined. It's telling that most humans are more kind, caring, loving, and helping than this supposed all-powerful, all-loving deity.
2013-01-28 12:13:07 AM
4 votes:
Remember kids, it's not terrorism when Christians do it against abortion clinics, and when they kill doctors it isn't murder either.  It's just the will of God.
2013-01-28 08:25:05 AM
3 votes:
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2013-01-28 06:16:52 AM
3 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: If you could go back in time and kill Hitler when he was a child, some would look at you as a murderer, but others would consider you a hero.

Now, with the case of abortionists, we know they are performing abortions and they are, in some views, murdering innocents. Not too different from Hitler's death camps. So instead of having to consider in retrospect what you could have done to prevent the Holocaust, you are now presented in your life time a chance to put a dent into the holocaust of innocent babies.

Don't you think that some people would think such a person a hero? Why is this a surprise to anyone?


Wait, abortion is murder? Holy sh*t.

/no, not really.
//anti-abortion groups value the potential for life over actual life
2013-01-28 06:02:10 AM
3 votes:

david_gaithersburg: Genevieve Marie: david_gaithersburg: Only you can tell us, so how racist are you?

A lot less racist than I was raised to be. Not necessarily by my parents, but by absorbing cultural attitudes and the prevailing attitudes of people around me. It wasn't until I was an adult and until I started actively reading perspectives from people of color on racism and until I started actively seeking out information about social and political inequality that I was able to start to unravel all the toxic ideas you absorb without realizing you're doing it.

Stuff like the idea that black people are needlessly resentful of a system that represents them just fine. Stuff like the idea that the criminal justice system is fair, and that America is a country that provides justice for all. Stuff like the idea that poverty is somehow tied up in the moral failings of the poor.

It took a lot of time and a lot of work to get through that much bullshiat.

.
Growing up white in Baltimore I've only been a victim of racism.


You've never been a victim of anything in your soft, fat, spoiled little life, snowflake.


Christ, what an asshole.
2013-01-28 03:22:35 AM
3 votes:

douchebag/hater: 3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.


i560.photobucket.com
2013-01-28 12:36:04 AM
3 votes:
And there are few things as sickening as the kind of glee and anger that some of these groups put into emotionally abusing women seeking abortions.

Can you imagine having to go to your doctor and walking through this kind of crowd?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/18/1467591/alabamas-abortion -c linic-escorts/
2013-01-27 09:35:14 PM
3 votes:
These people are beyond sick.
2013-01-28 09:10:21 AM
2 votes:

DaTheorist: Catholic Health Initiatives' attorneys argued that in cases of wrongful death, the term "person" only applies to individuals born alive who can vote, and not to those who die in utero cause our lives to be inconvenient."


FTFY

you will look so dumb 40 years from now with your antiquated and hateful bigotry

briefwit.files.wordpress.com

is it because you are a racist or a homophobe?
2013-01-28 08:19:19 AM
2 votes:
why have we been wasting our time on a war on drugs when we should be declaring war on religion?

we should wipe them out
2013-01-28 05:22:07 AM
2 votes:
Nothing will improve in your lives until the social dominators and right-wing authoritarians are treated like the rabid dogs they are.
2013-01-28 04:30:35 AM
2 votes:
Why can't we turn all the fundies against the other fundies? It's much better when the crazy factions are fighting it out over their own differences.
2013-01-28 04:25:47 AM
2 votes:

FishyFred: These people are beyond sick.


"Beyond sick" is "typical" given enough community endorsement. Something to remember in the coming fundie/fascist apocalypse.
2013-01-28 03:26:48 AM
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Serious Black: douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby
2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.
3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.

Is that close enough?

I don't think McVeigh was a religious zealot. His reasons for the bombing had nothing to do with religious beliefs, anyway.


OK, if OKC doesn' count then how about this incident?

www.realclearsports.com

/The bastard who did it had plenty of help from fundie zealots while he was on the lam for seven years.
2013-01-28 03:14:43 AM
2 votes:
These "Patriot" groups really taint and befoul the word "Patriot". Isn't it great how "Patriot" just means white power militia crazies, gun show crazies(because who doesn't like a public place filled with the possibilities of getting a machine gun for a bag of crank), and violent Jesus-Taliban.

You "good, nice normal cool" Christians need to police your people. Your wackjob fringe is violent and evil beyond measure.

I will whip my dick across your face, militia tools. Bunch of powerchair morons.
2013-01-28 03:11:31 AM
2 votes:

DeadBaby: I live in Kansas and one of my good friends went to Boy Scouts with Roeder's kids. Apparently, according to my friend, Roeder was often abusive to his kids. It was pretty well known in their social circles that he was an absolute bastard to his kids

Anyway, I always found it funny that the guy who wanted so much to defend fetuses but was more than willing to treat his own sentient children like shiat. Funny in a ridiculously sad sort of way.

But honestly it kind of beautifully (or tragically) captures the sentiment of the GOP as a whole. They sure as shiat want to see that you are born, but God help you if you are poor because you are fark-E-D. Doesn't matter if you didn't choose to be born to a poor, single mother, you better start bootstrapping or Sarah Palin is going to come out of the Great White North and deck you in the face.

I might have more sympathy for the anti-choice movement if they had plans and funding in place to help poor children. Instead they ostracize them and call their mothers welfare queens. They honestly don't give a shiat about kids once they are born and therefore they give many women every reason to want to abort a pregnancy. Who wants to live in abject poverty and be ostracized? With no mandatory maternity leave many women have to choose between the life of their fetus and their jobs. But guess who doesn't want any sort of decent maternity leave, that's right, those zany Republicans.

I could go on all day about education and healthcare and every wonderful thing that these poor children don't get in this country (but they sure do in Europe). People love to get emotional about babies, it's natural, hell it's in our DNA, but you can't just prevent a fetus from getting killed and expect everything will be hunky-farking-dory.

Well, I know this won't change anyone's mind, so I'm just going to continue being for abortion. Don't kids yourselves, GOP folk, I know you don't give a shiat about babies once they are born.


"If you're prenatal you're fine, if you're preschool you're farked."

St George of Carlin
2013-01-28 02:39:00 AM
2 votes:

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't think McVeigh was a religious zealot. His reasons for the bombing had nothing to do with religious beliefs, anyway.


You know, I hadn't read up on McVeigh in awhile so this prompted me to pay a quick visit to his wikipedia entry. You know what's so striking about it? Quite a bit of his rhetoric, the rhetoric of a domestic terrorist who killed 168 people, sounds no different than what you'd hear on right wing radio or read on Free Republic or American Thinker.
2013-01-28 01:27:22 AM
2 votes:
This is the kind of thing that makes me embarrassed to be a Kansan.
2013-01-28 01:17:36 AM
2 votes:

Gyrfalcon: But last time I did, someone accused me of playing "the race card."


That one always makes me roll my eyes. My mother was born in 1953. Legal segregation was around until she was 11 years old.

I'm supposed to believe that when my mother was a kid, people thought black people were so inferior that sharing a restaurant or a theme park with them was intolerable... but in one generation an attitude so engrained that segregation couldn't be overcome without help from the national guard has totally disappeared, leaving behind a post-racial utopia?
2013-01-28 01:11:00 AM
2 votes:

Sgt Otter: hubiestubert: Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.

[www.velvetrevolution.us image 575x304]

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...


Oh, I can put my finger right on it.

But last time I did, someone accused me of playing "the race card."
2013-01-28 12:59:47 AM
2 votes:
My first assignment when I moved to Topeka in the 90s was to photographer Roeder at his arraignment on something related to pipe bombs. He's just a garden variety murderer. The problem with Kansas is the people who admire him, outwardly or in their hearts, because there are so many of them. And they attract more likeminded people to move here. Kansans in general are more moderate than most people would expect, but they don't pay attention until the radicals really fark things up.
2013-01-28 12:43:44 AM
2 votes:

Genevieve Marie: And there are few things as sickening as the kind of glee and anger that some of these groups put into emotionally abusing women seeking abortions.

Can you imagine having to go to your doctor and walking through this kind of crowd?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/18/1467591/alabamas-abortion -c linic-escorts/


I went to a PP for birth control pills when I didn't have health insurance and was completely shamed by these types.

*clicks profile*

Holy fark.
2013-01-28 12:31:53 AM
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Why is this a surprise to anyone?


Who's expressing surprise?

I think most people are aware that these pieces of garbage exist.
2013-01-28 12:28:52 AM
2 votes:
According to personal accounts from folks I knew in the industry, there is a LOT of criminal behavior from the "pro-life" crowd that just never gets officially recorded. They get arrested and hauled off but because the county/state can't afford to press charges they'll probably beat down with donation money and political stinks they're just released at the end of the day to go throw bibles, jump security guards, rifle through records and/or try to sabotage ventilation systems tomorrow.
2013-01-28 12:27:47 AM
2 votes:

Sgt Otter: hubiestubert: Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.

[www.velvetrevolution.us image 575x304]

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...


I'm thinking they have a real hate-on for democracy.
2013-01-28 12:26:18 AM
2 votes:

Sgt Otter: hubiestubert: Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.

[www.velvetrevolution.us image 575x304]

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...


But, remember, there's no legitimacy to that report on the threat of right-wing extremism.

That's just a lib smear campaign.
2013-01-28 12:23:10 AM
2 votes:
The problem with any religious intervention in the affairs of the real world is that the intervenors inevitably believe in their own infallibility because they are doing the work of GOD. Makes it hard to have a reasoned debate.
2013-01-27 10:00:50 PM
2 votes:

FishyFred: These people are beyond sick.


Agreed.
2013-01-29 11:42:33 AM
1 votes:

SkunkWerks: I drunk what: Humor, how does it work?


img7.joyreactor.com
2013-01-28 10:47:13 AM
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: This text is now purple: McVeigh wasn't fundamentalist. He was an anti-federalist militant.

Not to mention, he wasn't a "terrorist" either. His beef was specifically with the federal government and he picked a government target. His strike wasn't intended to create a political effect.

He was no more a "terrorist" than Obama is with his drone strikes. An abject lesson in the power of propaganda.


Seriously? You have the dumbest farking definition of terrorism that I have ever seen if it doesn't include Timothy McVeigh. He's a quintessential example of a lone wolf terrorist.
2013-01-28 10:46:10 AM
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: This text is now purple: McVeigh wasn't fundamentalist. He was an anti-federalist militant.

Not to mention, he wasn't a "terrorist" either. His beef was specifically with the federal government and he picked a government target. His strike wasn't intended to create a political effect.

He was no more a "terrorist" than Obama is with his drone strikes. An abject lesson in the power of propaganda.


Guess what, Champ... Blowing up a building with civilians inside it for political reasons makes one a terrorist.
2013-01-28 09:52:07 AM
1 votes:

Genevieve Marie: And there are few things as sickening as the kind of glee and anger that some of these groups put into emotionally abusing women seeking abortions.

Can you imagine having to go to your doctor and walking through this kind of crowd?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/18/1467591/alabamas-abortion -c linic-escorts/


I always wonder how the really crazy ALWAYS manage to avoid hitting the kind of people who actually deserve it. These assholes? Nope. The guy who was running Enron? Nope. The Westboro Baptist Church? Nope.

All of these individuals or groups could have been dramatically improved by a guerrilla attack by some nut with a bunch of firearms and a carbomb or something, but nooooooooo he had to go shoot up an Amish school house. Why can't these nuts ever direct their misplaced rage at people who happen to have it coming anyway?
2013-01-28 09:51:21 AM
1 votes:

giftedmadness: lmao....yeah....Christians never help the poor with food banks/drives/money/support. ffs


Yeah, about that charity ... To me it looks more like a form of masturbation. "Hey, I'll give some cash to these needy to prove to myself (and my neighbors, if they're watching), that I'm a really good guy and I'm going to Heaven."

Why don't all those charitable christians instead vote for politicians who will try to do something about the causes of poverty instead? Charity is at best little more than a bandaid. Like giving a guy a fish instead of teaching him to fish. Or how about this: Sex ed, free condoms, and free abortion. It's cheaper for everyone in the long run. It'll even reduce the abortion rate (unlike abstinence).

Oh, right. That means paying taxes. Can't have that, now can we?
2013-01-28 09:18:48 AM
1 votes:

Serious Black: I guess you could poison the water supply with hormones or drugs that kill everyone's sex drives.


4.bp.blogspot.com
2013-01-28 09:10:17 AM
1 votes:

I drunk what: duh, the only logical and rational choice is if you can't afford a child is to put it down


Or you could use birth control, but the vast majority of people who are anti-abortion are also anti-birth control. Hmm...I guess you could poison the water supply with hormones or drugs that kill everyone's sex drives.
2013-01-28 08:09:22 AM
1 votes:

BillCo: Serious Black: douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby
2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.
3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.

[img.timeinc.net image 611x404]

Is that close enough?

Every time this comes up, some moron posts a picture of the Federal building in OK City, completely ignoring the fact that Timothy McVeigh was not a religious zealot.  In fact, he denounced religion.  He hated the government, plain and simple.


Again I ask, is being a religious zealot a prerequisite for being a terrorist?
2013-01-28 07:17:50 AM
1 votes:

Genevieve Marie: Gyrfalcon: But last time I did, someone accused me of playing "the race card."

That one always makes me roll my eyes. My mother was born in 1953. Legal segregation was around until she was 11 years old.

I'm supposed to believe that when my mother was a kid, people thought black people were so inferior that sharing a restaurant or a theme park with them was intolerable... but in one generation an attitude so engrained that segregation couldn't be overcome without help from the national guard has totally disappeared, leaving behind a post-racial utopia?


Well, and those statistical studies on whether the same resume sent in to various companies with job vacancies doesn't lead to a 2:1 ratio of interview offers in favor of white sounding names than black/hispanic sounding names. When those studies come out roughly 1:1 then at least part of racism has run its course, while your assumed race massively handicaps your career the idea that racism is anywhere near resolved is laughable and ignorant.
2013-01-28 07:13:23 AM
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: Don't attempt to tell me about my personal experiences.


david_gaithersburg: Want to know how I know you have never lived in Baltimore, or Detroit?


yep...
2013-01-28 06:53:25 AM
1 votes:

Serious Black: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Serious Black: douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby
2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.
3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.

Is that close enough?

I don't think McVeigh was a religious zealot. His reasons for the bombing had nothing to do with religious beliefs, anyway.

Is being a religious zealot a prerequisite for committing an act of terrorism?


No. But it helps.
2013-01-28 06:30:06 AM
1 votes:

Bontesla: AverageAmericanGuy: If you could go back in time and kill Hitler when he was a child, some would look at you as a murderer, but others would consider you a hero.

Now, with the case of abortionists, we know they are performing abortions and they are, in some views, murdering innocents. Not too different from Hitler's death camps. So instead of having to consider in retrospect what you could have done to prevent the Holocaust, you are now presented in your life time a chance to put a dent into the holocaust of innocent babies.

Don't you think that some people would think such a person a hero? Why is this a surprise to anyone?

Wait, abortion is murder? Holy sh*t.

/no, not really.
//anti-abortion groups value the potential for life over actual life


And as soon as it's born they demonize it as a burden on America. But it also serves as a means of punishing the mother for her evil, sinful ways. They value it as everything except a human life.
2013-01-28 05:48:28 AM
1 votes:
www.explosm.net
2013-01-28 05:45:44 AM
1 votes:
I guess its time to make Kansas bleed again.
2013-01-28 05:41:33 AM
1 votes:

Insurgent: no Tea Party schmuck will ever threaten anything. if nothing else, they're a liability for the republicans. and yes you sound paranoid.


And yet idiots like Bachman, Santorum, and others end up in office. Yes, they are a threat to the US. Not so much the teabaggers as the GOP in general.
2013-01-28 04:34:16 AM
1 votes:

Genevieve Marie: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't think McVeigh was a religious zealot. His reasons for the bombing had nothing to do with religious beliefs, anyway.

You know, I hadn't read up on McVeigh in awhile so this prompted me to pay a quick visit to his wikipedia entry. You know what's so striking about it? Quite a bit of his rhetoric, the rhetoric of a domestic terrorist who killed 168 people, sounds no different than what you'd hear on right wing radio or read on Free Republic or American Thinker.


Why do people think I can't be serious when I say that the Teahadists are really a genuine threat to America and a nascent fascist party? You think I'm just overly paranoid when I say they're just one charismatic leader and one national crisis away from putting a US Hitler in the White House?
2013-01-28 03:52:05 AM
1 votes:

Uncle Tractor: Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's facing Mecca.


The folks at Mecca are actually pretty upset about that. They feel it's disrespectful to have built a monument to modern society deliberately visible to worshipers on pilgrimage. The clocktower is the only thing on the skyline from the open area of the temple.
2013-01-28 03:48:42 AM
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Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So human life begins when, exactly?


Let's go with "Cognition". Once the prefrontal cortex finishes its boot cycle and acquaints itself with your senses, you are a human.

This is around the end of the second trimester, when the brain forges its permanent connections to the nerves of the body.
2013-01-28 03:26:35 AM
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Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: kingoomieiii: AverageAmericanGuy: Don't you think that some people would think such a person a hero? Why is this a surprise to anyone?

An abortion does not end a human life. It ends the potential of a human life.

If you want to get clever and say it's different because you'd end up a human if you just did NOTHING, that's fine. Condoms are satan's tools, after all.

So human life begins when, exactly?


Tuesday
2013-01-28 03:19:45 AM
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AverageAmericanGuy: Don't you think that some people would think such a person a hero? Why is this a surprise to anyone?


An abortion does not end a human life. It ends the potential of a human life.

If you want to get clever and say it's different because you'd end up a human if you just did NOTHING, that's fine. Condoms are satan's tools, after all.
2013-01-28 02:53:34 AM
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Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: You bolded "Christian fundamentalists flying into mosques" and then posted a pic of a federal building blown up by a guy who was not a religious fundamentalists. Maybe you bolded the wrong part?


try to keep up.


Headline:"Trial reveals deep ties between violent terrorists and the hard line religious extremists who fund them. Iraq? Afghanistan? No, Kansas"

Notice how the "violent terrorists" and the "religious extremists" are two separate groups?

douchebag/hater: "Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point."

See how he tries to combine the two groups?

to which Serious Black: replies by bringing up Mcveigh. A "violent terrorist" who was motivated by the governments treatment of some "religious extremists".
2013-01-28 02:52:38 AM
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Genevieve Marie: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't think McVeigh was a religious zealot. His reasons for the bombing had nothing to do with religious beliefs, anyway.

You know, I hadn't read up on McVeigh in awhile so this prompted me to pay a quick visit to his wikipedia entry. You know what's so striking about it? Quite a bit of his rhetoric, the rhetoric of a domestic terrorist who killed 168 people, sounds no different than what you'd hear on right wing radio or read on Free Republic or American Thinker.


Timothy McVeigh wrote this letter to the editor of a local paper:

"Taxes are a joke. Regardless of what a political candidate "promises," they will increase. More taxes are always the answer to government mismanagement. They mess up. We suffer. Taxes are reaching cataclysmic levels, with no slowdown in sight. [...] Is a Civil War Imminent? Do we have to shed blood to reform the current system? I hope it doesn't come to that. But it might."

I like how this guy biatched about high taxes non-stop, yet his highest paying job was as a basic U.S. Army Sergeant (E-5), who would only have his base pay taxed (his housing and meal allowances would be non-taxable), and even then, would have paid no taxes at all while he was fighting in the Gulf War, due to the Combat Zone Tax Exclusion.
2013-01-28 02:51:15 AM
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AverageAmericanGuy: If you could go back in time and kill Hitler when he was a child, some would look at you as a murderer, but others would consider you a hero.

Now, with the case of abortionists, we know they are performing abortions and they are, in some views, murdering innocents. Not too different from Hitler's death camps. So instead of having to consider in retrospect what you could have done to prevent the Holocaust, you are now presented in your life time a chance to put a dent into the holocaust of innocent babies.

Don't you think that some people would think such a person a hero? Why is this a surprise to anyone?


I hope you are only a Troll and not REALLY this jaw dropping stupid.
2013-01-28 02:43:14 AM
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Genevieve Marie: Quite a bit of his rhetoric, the rhetoric of a domestic terrorist who killed 168 people, sounds no different than what you'd hear on right wing radio or read on Free Republic or American Thinker.


he just actually followed through.
2013-01-28 02:14:32 AM
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douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby
2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.
3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.


It's an Associated Press article.  And least get your derping points straight.

And here is where I ask you to point out what is factually incorrect or biased about the article...

And here is where you ignore the question.
2013-01-28 01:58:48 AM
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david_gaithersburg: Genevieve Marie: david_gaithersburg: Growing up white in Baltimore I've only been a victim of racism.

No, you haven't. It's very possible that you've experienced prejudice, even likely- I grew up white in New Orleans, so I understand feeling very uncomfortable in your own privilege.

But you know what? There was no institutional power behind the prejudice you experienced. You weren't being harassed by black cops, appearing before black judges, being taught by black teachers, and represented by black politicians. Your parents and grandparents weren't denied educational opportunities and housing opportunities and all of the other things that go into building security and comfort.

There's a very different power balance and history behind being white in a majority black area and being black in a majority white area. Even a very quick examination of American history should make that much very clear.
.
Want to know how I know you have never lived in Baltimore, or Detroit?


I've lived in New Orleans. The demographics are similar.

New Orleans, like both Detroit and Baltimore, has a higher concentration of Black people than any other ethnic group. However? White people still control the vast majority of the resources and businesses and wealth concentrated in the city.

If you really look at your life and think that growing up white in America is a burden, than you really, really misunderstand the world around you.
2013-01-28 01:54:59 AM
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Genevieve Marie: david_gaithersburg: Growing up white in Baltimore I've only been a victim of racism.

No, you haven't. It's very possible that you've experienced prejudice, even likely- I grew up white in New Orleans, so I understand feeling very uncomfortable in your own privilege.

But you know what? There was no institutional power behind the prejudice you experienced. You weren't being harassed by black cops, appearing before black judges, being taught by black teachers, and represented by black politicians. Your parents and grandparents weren't denied educational opportunities and housing opportunities and all of the other things that go into building security and comfort.

There's a very different power balance and history behind being white in a majority black area and being black in a majority white area. Even a very quick examination of American history should make that much very clear.

.
Want to know how I know you have never lived in Baltimore, or Detroit?
2013-01-28 01:50:13 AM
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Sgt Otter: Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...


I can only imagine the amount of derpsanity that is going to spew forth from them if a dirty Lib wins in 2016 and 2020.
2013-01-28 01:47:14 AM
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Genevieve Marie: david_gaithersburg: Only you can tell us, so how racist are you?

A lot less racist than I was raised to be. Not necessarily by my parents, but by absorbing cultural attitudes and the prevailing attitudes of people around me. It wasn't until I was an adult and until I started actively reading perspectives from people of color on racism and until I started actively seeking out information about social and political inequality that I was able to start to unravel all the toxic ideas you absorb without realizing you're doing it.

Stuff like the idea that black people are needlessly resentful of a system that represents them just fine. Stuff like the idea that the criminal justice system is fair, and that America is a country that provides justice for all. Stuff like the idea that poverty is somehow tied up in the moral failings of the poor.

It took a lot of time and a lot of work to get through that much bullshiat.


.
Growing up white in Baltimore I've only been a victim of racism.
2013-01-28 01:42:41 AM
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hubiestubert: Gyrfalcon: Sgt Otter: hubiestubert: Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.

[www.velvetrevolution.us image 575x304]

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...

Oh, I can put my finger right on it.

But last time I did, someone accused me of playing "the race card."

Silly, girl. Women can't play the race card, because your women-brains aren't strong enough for that sort of thing. That's why men need to keep their hand on the this abortion issue, because women brains just aren't wired for that sort of forethought. Cooking, raising babies, and maybe some quilting, and let your husband do the hard math stuff.

/It's so cute when they type like that. You can almost think that they understand the words they're typing.
//Hell. One plz
///ducks


QUILTING?!??!?

This isn't the 19th Century. 20th Century dingbats play Bunko.
2013-01-28 01:28:52 AM
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Serious Black: This is the kind of thing that makes me embarrassed to be a Kansan.


As someone whose family is from Mizzoura, my condolences...
2013-01-28 01:04:22 AM
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Sgt Otter: hubiestubert: Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.

[www.velvetrevolution.us image 575x304]

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...


i think the lesson here is to vote republican

OR ELSE
2013-01-28 12:56:11 AM
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Britney Spear's Speculum: We have these people and gangs, yet we're gonna fight a bunch of angry farmers on camels with AK-47s 3000 miles away.


When the Crips strike oil, they'll be worth the military's time. Until then they'll have to settle for letting them sneak through the enlistment process to be given combat training they can take back to their buddies in the 'hood.
2013-01-28 12:45:07 AM
1 votes:
(for the record that was a very humorless and dark joke)
2013-01-28 12:44:32 AM
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Genevieve Marie: And there are few things as sickening as the kind of glee and anger that some of these groups put into emotionally abusing women seeking abortions.

Can you imagine having to go to your doctor and walking through this kind of crowd?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/18/1467591/alabamas-abortion -c linic-escorts/


one of them should suicide bomb... while still in the crowd

you know... as a form of protest of abortion.
2013-01-28 12:26:29 AM
1 votes:
Obvious tag in bed already?
2013-01-28 12:26:24 AM
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Nogrhi: BarkingUnicorn: FTA:  Hailed by militant anti-abortion forces as a "prisoner of Christ,"

Ironic tag can retire now.

Christ is taking prisoners now?  His recruitment numbers must have fallen off....


It's a Bible reference. The apostle Paul wrote a bunch of letters while imprisoned for religious reasons, so he addresses himself as a "prisoner of Jesus Christ" in a couple places.
2013-01-28 12:16:36 AM
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I wish these pussies would just openly declare war on the US so we could squash them and be done with it.
2013-01-27 11:42:17 PM
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2013-01-27 11:07:45 PM
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www.freedomcongress.org
2013-01-27 09:43:04 PM
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FTA:  Hailed by militant anti-abortion forces as a "prisoner of Christ,"

Ironic tag can retire now.
 
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