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2013-01-28 04:41:51 AM  

Gyrfalcon: Genevieve Marie: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I don't think McVeigh was a religious zealot. His reasons for the bombing had nothing to do with religious beliefs, anyway.

You know, I hadn't read up on McVeigh in awhile so this prompted me to pay a quick visit to his wikipedia entry. You know what's so striking about it? Quite a bit of his rhetoric, the rhetoric of a domestic terrorist who killed 168 people, sounds no different than what you'd hear on right wing radio or read on Free Republic or American Thinker.

Why do people think I can't be serious when I say that the Teahadists are really a genuine threat to America and a nascent fascist party? You think I'm just overly paranoid when I say they're just one charismatic leader and one national crisis away from putting a US Hitler in the White House?


no Tea Party schmuck will ever threaten anything. if nothing else, they're a liability for the republicans. and yes you sound paranoid.
 
2013-01-28 04:47:25 AM  

Insurgent: Serious Black: kingoomieiii: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So human life begins when, exactly?

Let's go with "Cognition". Once the prefrontal cortex finishes its boot cycle and acquaints itself with your senses, you are a human.

This is around the end of the second trimester, when the brain forges its permanent connections to the nerves of the body.

I say it happens when you start masturbating or have sex, whichever comes first. If that happens when you're in utero, awesome, more power to you. If it happens when you're twenty, damn, that sucks giant monkey balls.

proposition:

the new slang term for masturbation will be "abortion"

for example: "that bird had some phenomenal cans. brb. gotta abort some potential children."


It makes sense. I mean, every sperm is sacred. You can't spill it outside of a woman's vagina unless you want to be smited like Onan.
 
2013-01-28 04:52:56 AM  

Serious Black: Insurgent: Serious Black: kingoomieiii: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: So human life begins when, exactly?

Let's go with "Cognition". Once the prefrontal cortex finishes its boot cycle and acquaints itself with your senses, you are a human.

This is around the end of the second trimester, when the brain forges its permanent connections to the nerves of the body.

I say it happens when you start masturbating or have sex, whichever comes first. If that happens when you're in utero, awesome, more power to you. If it happens when you're twenty, damn, that sucks giant monkey balls.

proposition:

the new slang term for masturbation will be "abortion"

for example: "that bird had some phenomenal cans. brb. gotta abort some potential children."

It makes sense. I mean, every sperm is sacred. You can't spill it outside of a woman's vagina unless you want to be smited like Onan.


sperm banks are genocide. might as well call them abortion clinics. sure, some sperm will eventually lead to children, but what about all of that unused ejaculate? for shame.
 
2013-01-28 04:53:11 AM  

Gyrfalcon: they're just one charismatic leader and one national crisis away from putting a US Hitler in the White House?


one of them would just claim that their teapary hitler was really just a NINO, and Sarah Palin wanted to kill more than just jews.
 
2013-01-28 05:22:07 AM  
Nothing will improve in your lives until the social dominators and right-wing authoritarians are treated like the rabid dogs they are.
 
2013-01-28 05:41:33 AM  

Insurgent: no Tea Party schmuck will ever threaten anything. if nothing else, they're a liability for the republicans. and yes you sound paranoid.


And yet idiots like Bachman, Santorum, and others end up in office. Yes, they are a threat to the US. Not so much the teabaggers as the GOP in general.
 
2013-01-28 05:45:44 AM  
I guess its time to make Kansas bleed again.
 
2013-01-28 05:47:24 AM  

Uncle Tractor: Insurgent: no Tea Party schmuck will ever threaten anything. if nothing else, they're a liability for the republicans. and yes you sound paranoid.

And yet idiots like Bachman, Santorum, and others end up in office. Yes, they are a threat to the US. Not so much the teabaggers as the GOP in general.


It's ok if they're a dire threat to the country as a whole, as long as they pay lip service to supporting the right side of these hot-button issues the tv tells me I should care about.
 
2013-01-28 05:48:28 AM  
www.explosm.net
 
2013-01-28 06:02:10 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Genevieve Marie: david_gaithersburg: Only you can tell us, so how racist are you?

A lot less racist than I was raised to be. Not necessarily by my parents, but by absorbing cultural attitudes and the prevailing attitudes of people around me. It wasn't until I was an adult and until I started actively reading perspectives from people of color on racism and until I started actively seeking out information about social and political inequality that I was able to start to unravel all the toxic ideas you absorb without realizing you're doing it.

Stuff like the idea that black people are needlessly resentful of a system that represents them just fine. Stuff like the idea that the criminal justice system is fair, and that America is a country that provides justice for all. Stuff like the idea that poverty is somehow tied up in the moral failings of the poor.

It took a lot of time and a lot of work to get through that much bullshiat.

.
Growing up white in Baltimore I've only been a victim of racism.


You've never been a victim of anything in your soft, fat, spoiled little life, snowflake.


Christ, what an asshole.
 
2013-01-28 06:03:16 AM  

Sgt Otter: www.velvetrevolution.us

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...


it's Obama's fault?

Derpa-derpa-doo!!
 
2013-01-28 06:14:14 AM  

sheep snorter: [i.imgur.com image 500x619]


lmao....yeah....Christians never help the poor with food banks/drives/money/support. ffs
 
2013-01-28 06:16:52 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: If you could go back in time and kill Hitler when he was a child, some would look at you as a murderer, but others would consider you a hero.

Now, with the case of abortionists, we know they are performing abortions and they are, in some views, murdering innocents. Not too different from Hitler's death camps. So instead of having to consider in retrospect what you could have done to prevent the Holocaust, you are now presented in your life time a chance to put a dent into the holocaust of innocent babies.

Don't you think that some people would think such a person a hero? Why is this a surprise to anyone?


Wait, abortion is murder? Holy sh*t.

/no, not really.
//anti-abortion groups value the potential for life over actual life
 
2013-01-28 06:25:06 AM  

SquiggsIN: Why can't we turn all the fundies against the other fundies? It's much better when the crazy factions are fighting it out over their own differences.


great idea!

but the talibans know how to defend themselves much better as abortion doctors do, so this would likely be to dangerous for the christan fundies's taste
 
2013-01-28 06:30:06 AM  

Bontesla: AverageAmericanGuy: If you could go back in time and kill Hitler when he was a child, some would look at you as a murderer, but others would consider you a hero.

Now, with the case of abortionists, we know they are performing abortions and they are, in some views, murdering innocents. Not too different from Hitler's death camps. So instead of having to consider in retrospect what you could have done to prevent the Holocaust, you are now presented in your life time a chance to put a dent into the holocaust of innocent babies.

Don't you think that some people would think such a person a hero? Why is this a surprise to anyone?

Wait, abortion is murder? Holy sh*t.

/no, not really.
//anti-abortion groups value the potential for life over actual life


And as soon as it's born they demonize it as a burden on America. But it also serves as a means of punishing the mother for her evil, sinful ways. They value it as everything except a human life.
 
2013-01-28 06:53:25 AM  

Serious Black: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Serious Black: douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby
2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.
3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.

Is that close enough?

I don't think McVeigh was a religious zealot. His reasons for the bombing had nothing to do with religious beliefs, anyway.

Is being a religious zealot a prerequisite for committing an act of terrorism?


No. But it helps.
 
2013-01-28 07:13:23 AM  

david_gaithersburg: Don't attempt to tell me about my personal experiences.


david_gaithersburg: Want to know how I know you have never lived in Baltimore, or Detroit?


yep...
 
2013-01-28 07:16:02 AM  
Let's see, some guy was opposed to abortion and killed an abortionist so therefore people who espouse the same beliefs of the killer must be hounded by federal prosecutors? Wouldn't that be like prosecuting everyone who supported violent terrorist and abolitionist John Brown?
 
2013-01-28 07:17:50 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Gyrfalcon: But last time I did, someone accused me of playing "the race card."

That one always makes me roll my eyes. My mother was born in 1953. Legal segregation was around until she was 11 years old.

I'm supposed to believe that when my mother was a kid, people thought black people were so inferior that sharing a restaurant or a theme park with them was intolerable... but in one generation an attitude so engrained that segregation couldn't be overcome without help from the national guard has totally disappeared, leaving behind a post-racial utopia?


Well, and those statistical studies on whether the same resume sent in to various companies with job vacancies doesn't lead to a 2:1 ratio of interview offers in favor of white sounding names than black/hispanic sounding names. When those studies come out roughly 1:1 then at least part of racism has run its course, while your assumed race massively handicaps your career the idea that racism is anywhere near resolved is laughable and ignorant.
 
2013-01-28 07:35:01 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: Let's see, some guy was opposed to abortion and killed an abortionist so therefore people who espouse the same beliefs of the killer must be hounded by federal prosecutors? Wouldn't that be like prosecuting everyone who supported violent terrorist and abolitionist John Brown?


Hindsight bias. If history had turned out differently, we might not see slavery as an intrinsic evil today.
 
2013-01-28 07:56:27 AM  

Serious Black: douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby
2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.
3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.

[img.timeinc.net image 611x404]

Is that close enough?


Every time this comes up, some moron posts a picture of the Federal building in OK City, completely ignoring the fact that Timothy McVeigh was not a religious zealot.  In fact, he denounced religion.  He hated the government, plain and simple.
 
2013-01-28 08:09:22 AM  

BillCo: Serious Black: douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby
2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.
3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.

[img.timeinc.net image 611x404]

Is that close enough?

Every time this comes up, some moron posts a picture of the Federal building in OK City, completely ignoring the fact that Timothy McVeigh was not a religious zealot.  In fact, he denounced religion.  He hated the government, plain and simple.


Again I ask, is being a religious zealot a prerequisite for being a terrorist?
 
2013-01-28 08:14:34 AM  

Serious Black: Noam Chimpsky: Let's see, some guy was opposed to abortion and killed an abortionist so therefore people who espouse the same beliefs of the killer must be hounded by federal prosecutors? Wouldn't that be like prosecuting everyone who supported violent terrorist and abolitionist John Brown?

Hindsight bias. If history had turned out differently, we might not see slavery as an intrinsic evil today.


That's why you don't prosecute mere supporters. Obama's buddy Ayers was a supporter of cop killing Black Panthers and other murderous terrorists. Even named his kids after the murderous activists that he liked. Ayers' wife dug that groovy Charlie Manson. I'm less sympathetic to Ayers' cause than these Kansans cause, so it would be totally appropriate for me to prosecute Ayers if I had the power, right?.
 
2013-01-28 08:19:19 AM  
why have we been wasting our time on a war on drugs when we should be declaring war on religion?

we should wipe them out
 
2013-01-28 08:20:01 AM  

giftedmadness: sheep snorter: [i.imgur.com image 500x619]

lmao....yeah....Christians never help the poor with food banks/drives/money/support. ffs


No, they do, it's just extremely little compared to what they actually need, and a large number want to make sure that it's all that they ever get.
 
2013-01-28 08:20:35 AM  

Noam Chimpsky: That's why you don't prosecute mere supporters.


No one said you should.

Just like no one said you couldn't still be disgusted by such people, as you clearly are.
 
2013-01-28 08:21:47 AM  

I drunk what: why have we been wasting our time on a war on drugs when we should be declaring war on religion?


I vote we declare war on Christmas.
 
2013-01-28 08:25:05 AM  
images.cpcache.com
 
2013-01-28 08:25:17 AM  
i propose we just cut to the chase and start feeding christians to the lions, then abortions will be legal and uncontested

problem solved

but first things first, we should censor any of their posts to prevent any corruption of our pure anti-christian minds

madmikesamerica.com

if we have to keep a religion around, because of the bleeding hearts, i suggest we tolerate islam, since it is the religion of peace (as i have no doubt has already been pointed out in this thread, yet again)

how soon can we open a cross factory?
 
2013-01-28 08:25:50 AM  

NephilimNexus: [www.explosm.net image 628x356]


That reminds me: I need to go meet Buddha in the road.
 
2013-01-28 08:26:35 AM  

SkunkWerks: I vote we declare war on Christmas.


too subtle, these people are morans

and all retards should be put down, with or without pain i don't care, whichever is cheaper
 
2013-01-28 08:26:50 AM  
These people are disgusting...

Admiring a deranged murder. What the fark?
 
2013-01-28 08:30:16 AM  

NephilimNexus: [www.explosm.net image 628x356]


LULZ

2.bp.blogspot.com

LOL ROFL
 
2013-01-28 08:31:35 AM  

I drunk what: too subtle


jamsidedown.com
 
2013-01-28 08:33:03 AM  
The army of an evil god in their heads.
 
2013-01-28 08:35:23 AM  

Serious Black: douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby
2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.
3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.

[img.timeinc.net image 611x404]

Is that close enough?


close enough for me

the christian text that the christian zealot mcvey was reading while he was just following orders:

"Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! I came not to bring peace, but a sword." ~cult leader

QED
 
2013-01-28 08:41:32 AM  

keylock71: These people are disgusting...

Admiring a deranged murder. What the fark?


thats why fark created the Hero tag, for those that actually deserve praise and admiration:

hm.indymedia.org

and our modern day prophets, who can help make this dream a reality:

1.bp.blogspot.com

3.bp.blogspot.com

FOR SCIENCE!!1!

Ramen
 
2013-01-28 08:55:45 AM  

sheep snorter: [i.imgur.com image 500x619]


duh, the only logical and rational choice is if you can't afford a child is to put it down

that cable fee isn't going to pay for itself, and there aint no way i'm going to miss OW MY BALLS, so if it comes down to letting babby be born and miss my favorite show or just pluggin a cap in his dumb ass so that my life is more convenient

well do i have to explain to you the obvious outcome?

what really pisses me off is that silly age restriction that "doctors" currently have of when it's ok and when it's not politically correct

i want a second opinion:

www.buzzpirates.com

shiat dude if they ain't old enough to vote then i say fark em

i propose the new late term age limit be 17, and anyone who disagrees with me is just as bad as those psychos in the the article

and he is a real doctor, suck it
 
2013-01-28 08:59:12 AM  
From an article I saw last week at THE RAW STORY.
"A chain of Catholic Hospitals has beaten a malpractice lawsuit by saying that fetuses are not equivalent to human lives. According to the Colorado Independent ( http://coloradoindependent.com/126808/in-malpractice-case-catholic-hos pital-argues-fetuses-arent-people ), in the death of a 31-year-old woman carrying twin fetuses, Catholic Health Initiatives' attorneys argued that in cases of wrongful death, the term "person" only applies to individuals born alive, and not to those who die in utero."
 
2013-01-28 09:00:46 AM  

I drunk what: duh, the only logical and rational choice is if you can't afford a child is to put it down


You've never tried telling your parents that- in all likelihood, you and your wife won't ever be having kids- have you?

Try it at age 35 or so. It's a hoot.
 
2013-01-28 09:10:17 AM  

I drunk what: duh, the only logical and rational choice is if you can't afford a child is to put it down


Or you could use birth control, but the vast majority of people who are anti-abortion are also anti-birth control. Hmm...I guess you could poison the water supply with hormones or drugs that kill everyone's sex drives.
 
2013-01-28 09:10:21 AM  

DaTheorist: Catholic Health Initiatives' attorneys argued that in cases of wrongful death, the term "person" only applies to individuals born alive who can vote, and not to those who die in utero cause our lives to be inconvenient."


FTFY

you will look so dumb 40 years from now with your antiquated and hateful bigotry

briefwit.files.wordpress.com

is it because you are a racist or a homophobe?
 
2013-01-28 09:18:48 AM  

Serious Black: I guess you could poison the water supply with hormones or drugs that kill everyone's sex drives.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-01-28 09:21:49 AM  

I drunk what: thats why fark created the Hero tag, for those that actually deserve praise and admiration:


I'm sure that sounded rational in your head...
 
2013-01-28 09:22:47 AM  

Serious Black: douchebag/hater: 1) Oh, bullshiat, subby
2) The article is from Yahoo, that fount of 'just the facts, m'am' journalism? Oh, puleeze.
3) Subby? Get back to me when fundamentalist Christians start flying 777s in mosques and Muslim office towers; then you might have a point. Until that you happens you're showing your stupidity in posting this.

[img.timeinc.net image 611x404]

Is that close enough?


McVeigh wasn't fundamentalist. He was an anti-federalist militant.
 
2013-01-28 09:40:39 AM  

Genevieve Marie: But you know what? There was no institutional power behind the prejudice you experienced. You weren't being harassed by black cops, appearing before black judges, being taught by black teachers, and represented by black politicians. Your parents and grandparents weren't denied educational opportunities and housing opportunities and all of the other things that go into building security and comfort.

There's a very different power balance and history behind being white in a majority black area and being black in a majority white area. Even a very quick examination of American history should make that much very clear.
.
Want to know how I know you have never lived in Baltimore, or Detroit?

I've lived in New Orleans. The demographics are similar.


New Orleans is 2:1 black to white. Baltimore is slightly over 2:1 black to white. Detroit is 8:1 black to white. That's basically the same racial makeup as the Dominican Republic.

64% black-owned firms, too. (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/26/2622000.html)
 
2013-01-28 09:42:57 AM  

kingoomieiii: AverageAmericanGuy: Don't you think that some people would think such a person a hero? Why is this a surprise to anyone?

An abortion does not end a human life. It ends the potential of a human life.


Then why does someone who murders a pregnant woman get charged with two homicides?
 
2013-01-28 09:50:14 AM  

This text is now purple: kingoomieiii: AverageAmericanGuy: Don't you think that some people would think such a person a hero? Why is this a surprise to anyone?

An abortion does not end a human life. It ends the potential of a human life.

Then why does someone who murders a pregnant woman get charged with two homicides?


Because she didn't have the foresight to choose to abort the child first, clearly.
 
2013-01-28 09:51:21 AM  

giftedmadness: lmao....yeah....Christians never help the poor with food banks/drives/money/support. ffs


Yeah, about that charity ... To me it looks more like a form of masturbation. "Hey, I'll give some cash to these needy to prove to myself (and my neighbors, if they're watching), that I'm a really good guy and I'm going to Heaven."

Why don't all those charitable christians instead vote for politicians who will try to do something about the causes of poverty instead? Charity is at best little more than a bandaid. Like giving a guy a fish instead of teaching him to fish. Or how about this: Sex ed, free condoms, and free abortion. It's cheaper for everyone in the long run. It'll even reduce the abortion rate (unlike abstinence).

Oh, right. That means paying taxes. Can't have that, now can we?
 
2013-01-28 09:52:07 AM  

Genevieve Marie: And there are few things as sickening as the kind of glee and anger that some of these groups put into emotionally abusing women seeking abortions.

Can you imagine having to go to your doctor and walking through this kind of crowd?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/18/1467591/alabamas-abortion -c linic-escorts/


I always wonder how the really crazy ALWAYS manage to avoid hitting the kind of people who actually deserve it. These assholes? Nope. The guy who was running Enron? Nope. The Westboro Baptist Church? Nope.

All of these individuals or groups could have been dramatically improved by a guerrilla attack by some nut with a bunch of firearms and a carbomb or something, but nooooooooo he had to go shoot up an Amish school house. Why can't these nuts ever direct their misplaced rage at people who happen to have it coming anyway?
 
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