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2013-01-27 09:32:40 PM
Well, at least letters and donations from this asshole's "admirers" should let us keep better track of them.


Other activists are now writing legal briefs for Roeder to file himself, arguing Tiller's death was necessary to defend the unborn.

Yeah, good luck with that.
 
2013-01-27 09:35:14 PM
These people are beyond sick.
 
2013-01-27 09:43:04 PM
FTA:  Hailed by militant anti-abortion forces as a "prisoner of Christ,"

Ironic tag can retire now.
 
2013-01-27 09:56:07 PM

BarkingUnicorn: FTA:  Hailed by militant anti-abortion forces as a "prisoner of Christ,"

Ironic tag can retire now.


Christ is taking prisoners now?  His recruitment numbers must have fallen off....
 
2013-01-27 10:00:50 PM

FishyFred: These people are beyond sick.


Agreed.
 
2013-01-27 10:20:11 PM
Carry on my wayward children...
 
2013-01-27 10:28:48 PM
Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.
 
2013-01-27 10:56:23 PM

hubiestubert: Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.


www.velvetrevolution.us

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...
 
2013-01-27 11:07:45 PM
www.freedomcongress.org
 
2013-01-27 11:42:17 PM
 
2013-01-27 11:43:58 PM

Elzar: Carry on my wayward children...


Relevant.
 
2013-01-28 12:13:07 AM
Remember kids, it's not terrorism when Christians do it against abortion clinics, and when they kill doctors it isn't murder either.  It's just the will of God.
 
2013-01-28 12:16:36 AM
I wish these pussies would just openly declare war on the US so we could squash them and be done with it.
 
2013-01-28 12:19:37 AM
but... but... but... christian terrorists are better, 'cause jesus!
 
2013-01-28 12:20:46 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-01-28 12:22:03 AM
Ever notice how every time there's a news article with some batsh*t nuts chick who is on the ass end of a criminal investigation that she always has this smirk on her face like she pisses perfume?
 
2013-01-28 12:22:38 AM
If you could go back in time and kill Hitler when he was a child, some would look at you as a murderer, but others would consider you a hero.

Now, with the case of abortionists, we know they are performing abortions and they are, in some views, murdering innocents. Not too different from Hitler's death camps. So instead of having to consider in retrospect what you could have done to prevent the Holocaust, you are now presented in your life time a chance to put a dent into the holocaust of innocent babies.

Don't you think that some people would think such a person a hero? Why is this a surprise to anyone?
 
2013-01-28 12:23:10 AM
The problem with any religious intervention in the affairs of the real world is that the intervenors inevitably believe in their own infallibility because they are doing the work of GOD. Makes it hard to have a reasoned debate.
 
2013-01-28 12:25:23 AM
It's terrifying. There are almost no doctors left in the country that perform late term abortions- almost no options left for women who have really terrible pregnancy complications or who find out late in a pregnancy that their wanted child will be born into a short life of terrible pain.

George Tiller was a really good man, who took really hard cases and provided incredibly compassionate care. The stories his patients tell about him make me cry every time I read them.

Dr. Leroy Carhart, who has a similar practice, has to wear a bullet proof vest everywhere he goes. His clinic has to have armed guards. His family has to be protected at all times.

It gets very, very frustrating  for people in reproductive health advocacy to see how much is tolerated extremism is tolerated on this issue. It also gets frustrating to see both sides treated as equal- last I checked, there were no pro-choice health care advocate militia groups organized around threatening opponents with bodily harm.
 
2013-01-28 12:26:18 AM

Sgt Otter: hubiestubert: Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.

[www.velvetrevolution.us image 575x304]

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...


But, remember, there's no legitimacy to that report on the threat of right-wing extremism.

That's just a lib smear campaign.
 
2013-01-28 12:26:24 AM

Nogrhi: BarkingUnicorn: FTA:  Hailed by militant anti-abortion forces as a "prisoner of Christ,"

Ironic tag can retire now.

Christ is taking prisoners now?  His recruitment numbers must have fallen off....


It's a Bible reference. The apostle Paul wrote a bunch of letters while imprisoned for religious reasons, so he addresses himself as a "prisoner of Jesus Christ" in a couple places.
 
2013-01-28 12:26:29 AM
Obvious tag in bed already?
 
2013-01-28 12:27:16 AM
Kansas terrorists?  I know who to call.

i1282.photobucket.com
 
2013-01-28 12:27:47 AM

Sgt Otter: hubiestubert: Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.

[www.velvetrevolution.us image 575x304]

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...


I'm thinking they have a real hate-on for democracy.
 
2013-01-28 12:28:52 AM
According to personal accounts from folks I knew in the industry, there is a LOT of criminal behavior from the "pro-life" crowd that just never gets officially recorded. They get arrested and hauled off but because the county/state can't afford to press charges they'll probably beat down with donation money and political stinks they're just released at the end of the day to go throw bibles, jump security guards, rifle through records and/or try to sabotage ventilation systems tomorrow.
 
2013-01-28 12:29:19 AM

bunner: Ever notice how every time there's a news article with some batsh*t nuts chick who is on the ass end of a criminal investigation that she always has this smirk on her face like she pisses perfume?


This. If I did a porno with her and smiler right I could murder a toddler, stuff it in my trunk, abandon my car, and say "wut? The nanny has her" then do murderess pornos.

Wait wut?
 
2013-01-28 12:29:49 AM
Alrighty then, time to drag out all that PATRIOT ACT law & seize all these peoples assets & waterboard them in gitmo.

Or does that only apply to brown-skinned terrorists?
 
2013-01-28 12:30:19 AM
Also *smilED. I obviously have not started drinking.
 
2013-01-28 12:31:53 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Why is this a surprise to anyone?


Who's expressing surprise?

I think most people are aware that these pieces of garbage exist.
 
2013-01-28 12:32:33 AM
We have these people and gangs, yet we're gonna fight a bunch of angry farmers on camels with AK-47s 3000 miles away.
 
2013-01-28 12:32:37 AM

bunner: Ever notice how every time there's a news article with some batsh*t nuts chick who is on the ass end of a criminal investigation that she always has this smirk on her face like she pisses perfume?

 
2013-01-28 12:36:04 AM
And there are few things as sickening as the kind of glee and anger that some of these groups put into emotionally abusing women seeking abortions.

Can you imagine having to go to your doctor and walking through this kind of crowd?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/18/1467591/alabamas-abortion -c linic-escorts/
 
2013-01-28 12:43:44 AM

Genevieve Marie: And there are few things as sickening as the kind of glee and anger that some of these groups put into emotionally abusing women seeking abortions.

Can you imagine having to go to your doctor and walking through this kind of crowd?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/18/1467591/alabamas-abortion -c linic-escorts/


I went to a PP for birth control pills when I didn't have health insurance and was completely shamed by these types.

*clicks profile*

Holy fark.
 
2013-01-28 12:44:32 AM

Genevieve Marie: And there are few things as sickening as the kind of glee and anger that some of these groups put into emotionally abusing women seeking abortions.

Can you imagine having to go to your doctor and walking through this kind of crowd?

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2013/01/18/1467591/alabamas-abortion -c linic-escorts/


one of them should suicide bomb... while still in the crowd

you know... as a form of protest of abortion.
 
2013-01-28 12:45:07 AM
(for the record that was a very humorless and dark joke)
 
2013-01-28 12:54:30 AM

Mentat: Kansas terrorists?  I know who to call.

[i1282.photobucket.com image 341x271]


More likely:
www.legendsofamerica.com
www.kshs.org
 
2013-01-28 12:56:11 AM

Britney Spear's Speculum: We have these people and gangs, yet we're gonna fight a bunch of angry farmers on camels with AK-47s 3000 miles away.


When the Crips strike oil, they'll be worth the military's time. Until then they'll have to settle for letting them sneak through the enlistment process to be given combat training they can take back to their buddies in the 'hood.
 
2013-01-28 12:59:47 AM
My first assignment when I moved to Topeka in the 90s was to photographer Roeder at his arraignment on something related to pipe bombs. He's just a garden variety murderer. The problem with Kansas is the people who admire him, outwardly or in their hearts, because there are so many of them. And they attract more likeminded people to move here. Kansans in general are more moderate than most people would expect, but they don't pay attention until the radicals really fark things up.
 
2013-01-28 01:04:22 AM

Sgt Otter: hubiestubert: Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.

[www.velvetrevolution.us image 575x304]

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...


i think the lesson here is to vote republican

OR ELSE
 
2013-01-28 01:09:09 AM
"We are always concerned when extremists are getting together and spreading hate and encouraging others to engage in criminal activity,"

Hell, they just described Fark.
 
2013-01-28 01:11:00 AM

Sgt Otter: hubiestubert: Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.

[www.velvetrevolution.us image 575x304]

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...


Oh, I can put my finger right on it.

But last time I did, someone accused me of playing "the race card."
 
2013-01-28 01:14:23 AM
9/11 terrorist were not from Kansas.

QED!

Deal with it morons.
 
2013-01-28 01:16:25 AM
Maybe the pro-life people should talk to God about how he randomly slaughters innocents with natural disasters, strikes down innocents with diseases, inflicts innocents with cancers and disorders, and allows innocents to be killed by "evil" people. To say nothing of the millions of fertilized embryos that never implant, thousands of miscarriages that occur each year, and the hundreds of thousands of children starving and being beaten and killed. To say nothing of how God will one day utterly destroy all of creation and send 98% of all humans who ever existed to an eternity of unspeakable torture.

"It's all part of God's mysterious plan", they say? Then God is a monster worse than all of humanity's monsters combined. It's telling that most humans are more kind, caring, loving, and helping than this supposed all-powerful, all-loving deity.
 
2013-01-28 01:17:10 AM

Gyrfalcon: Sgt Otter: hubiestubert: Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.

[www.velvetrevolution.us image 575x304]

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...

Oh, I can put my finger right on it.

But last time I did, someone accused me of playing "the race card."


clinton wasn't black, though.
 
2013-01-28 01:17:36 AM

Gyrfalcon: But last time I did, someone accused me of playing "the race card."


That one always makes me roll my eyes. My mother was born in 1953. Legal segregation was around until she was 11 years old.

I'm supposed to believe that when my mother was a kid, people thought black people were so inferior that sharing a restaurant or a theme park with them was intolerable... but in one generation an attitude so engrained that segregation couldn't be overcome without help from the national guard has totally disappeared, leaving behind a post-racial utopia?
 
2013-01-28 01:22:15 AM

Genevieve Marie: Gyrfalcon: But last time I did, someone accused me of playing "the race card."

That one always makes me roll my eyes. My mother was born in 1953. Legal segregation was around until she was 11 years old.

I'm supposed to believe that when my mother was a kid, people thought black people were so inferior that sharing a restaurant or a theme park with them was intolerable... but in one generation an attitude so engrained that segregation couldn't be overcome without help from the national guard has totally disappeared, leaving behind a post-racial utopia?


.
Only you can tell us, so how racist are you?
 
2013-01-28 01:22:29 AM

Gyrfalcon: Sgt Otter: hubiestubert: Oddly enough, the fastest growing and most prolific of potential terrorists by the Federal guidelines, and under the Bush Administration's own definitions, involved church and militia groups who felt that it was their time to move against the godless--well, that and the folks who thought it would be nice to patrol the borders for illegals and maybe shoot them some brown folks come El Norte. Most of these folks got on these watchlists not because of their faith, but because of fairly public statements, and procurement of arms and their own websites and publications.

Oops.

[www.velvetrevolution.us image 575x304]

Rampant during the 90s, a massive drop-off in the 00s, and a gigantic surge in 2009. Gosh, it almost seems like a pattern, but I can't put my finger on it...

Oh, I can put my finger right on it.

But last time I did, someone accused me of playing "the race card."


Silly, girl. Women can't play the race card, because your women-brains aren't strong enough for that sort of thing. That's why men need to keep their hand on the this abortion issue, because women brains just aren't wired for that sort of forethought. Cooking, raising babies, and maybe some quilting, and let your husband do the hard math stuff.

/It's so cute when they type like that. You can almost think that they understand the words they're typing.
//Hell. One plz
///ducks
 
2013-01-28 01:27:22 AM
This is the kind of thing that makes me embarrassed to be a Kansan.
 
2013-01-28 01:28:52 AM

Serious Black: This is the kind of thing that makes me embarrassed to be a Kansan.


As someone whose family is from Mizzoura, my condolences...
 
2013-01-28 01:31:56 AM

david_gaithersburg: Only you can tell us, so how racist are you?


A lot less racist than I was raised to be. Not necessarily by my parents, but by absorbing cultural attitudes and the prevailing attitudes of people around me. It wasn't until I was an adult and until I started actively reading perspectives from people of color on racism and until I started actively seeking out information about social and political inequality that I was able to start to unravel all the toxic ideas you absorb without realizing you're doing it.

Stuff like the idea that black people are needlessly resentful of a system that represents them just fine. Stuff like the idea that the criminal justice system is fair, and that America is a country that provides justice for all. Stuff like the idea that poverty is somehow tied up in the moral failings of the poor.

It took a lot of time and a lot of work to get through that much bullshiat.
 
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