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(NPR)   Happy 200th birthday to one of the most overrated, cliched books ever written   (npr.org) divider line 59
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2013-01-27 09:37:18 PM  
It's one thing if you don't like it, but it's kind of hard to call it cliched when it practically invented the cliches in question.
 
2013-01-27 09:43:10 PM  
The Bible is way older than 200, subby
 
2013-01-27 10:13:30 PM  

FishyFred: It's one thing if you don't like it, but it's kind of hard to call it cliched when it practically invented the cliches in question.


Exactly my thought.
 
2013-01-27 10:17:44 PM  

FishyFred: It's one thing if you don't like it, but it's kind of hard to call it cliched when it practically invented the cliches in question.


+++1
 
2013-01-27 10:19:46 PM  

Genevieve Marie: FishyFred: It's one thing if you don't like it, but it's kind of hard to call it cliched when it practically invented the cliches in question.

Exactly my thought.


ding ding ding
 
2013-01-27 10:20:50 PM  
Subby is a moron.
 
2013-01-27 10:25:27 PM  
Hmmmmm. Add some sparkly zombies and give them all power rings, and make it a gay-ass musical.
Then it might, just might sashay down Hollywood Boulevard.
 
2013-01-27 10:26:52 PM  

Genevieve Marie: FishyFred: It's one thing if you don't like it, but it's kind of hard to call it cliched when it practically invented the cliches in question.

Exactly my thought.


I remember when the movie "Troy" came out, and some of the critics complained of the various plot cliches (like going on a murderous rampage to avenge a fallen lover comrade). Yeah.

/and did you see those LOTR films that came out ten years ago? Gandalf was a TOTAL ripoff of Obi-Wan Kenobi.
 
2013-01-27 10:27:15 PM  
I understand that the ladies love it, but is this story really worthy of a brazillion film versions?
 
2013-01-27 10:28:57 PM  
Sense and Sensibility is not nearly as good as her lesser known work, Sh*t and Shinola.
 
2013-01-27 10:30:30 PM  
It's cliché, god damn it. Get your keyboard figured out before you start poking fun at literate people.
 
2013-01-27 10:31:17 PM  

JosephFinn: Genevieve Marie: FishyFred: It's one thing if you don't like it, but it's kind of hard to call it cliched when it practically invented the cliches in question.

Exactly my thought.

ding ding ding


Yes, but if you're 14, and reading it in English class for the first time without background knowledge of it, you'll certainly feel that way.
 
2013-01-27 10:33:56 PM  
For you, subster:

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2013-01-27 10:34:15 PM  
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2013-01-27 10:38:20 PM  

JosephFinn: Genevieve Marie: FishyFred: It's one thing if you don't like it, but it's kind of hard to call it cliched when it practically invented the cliches in question.

Exactly my thought.

ding ding ding


Add my name to this list. Hate, hate, hate her books, but can't call them cliches - they damn near created the cliches.
 
2013-01-27 10:39:59 PM  

Mega Steve: I understand that the ladies love it, but is this story really worthy of a brazillion film versions?


Yes. I mean, did you SEE that rain scene in the last one? For a second, I thought Keira Knightley and Matthew Macfadyen were going to have hate sex in that..whatever it was.
 
2013-01-27 10:47:24 PM  

Mega Steve: I understand that the ladies love it, but is this story really worthy of a brazillion film versions?


I'm pretty sure they perfected P&P in 1995. All the other brazillion versions are just wasted film.

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2013-01-27 10:54:13 PM  
Overrated? Maybe subby thinks it is now, not so much when it first came out. It has held up very well for being 200.
 
2013-01-27 10:54:27 PM  
Call me back when they put out "Pride and Prejudice and Lesbians"
 
2013-01-27 10:57:51 PM  
Done in two
 
2013-01-27 10:58:55 PM  
The original romantic comedy.
A classic you have to read in high school because girls that like crap like this become English Lit teachers.

Another overrated classic  Gone with the Wind.
 
2013-01-27 11:06:18 PM  

Mega Steve: I understand that the ladies love it, but is this story really worthy of a brazillion film versions?


After the brazillion versions, now they have to make merkin versions for more authenticity.
 
2013-01-27 11:09:33 PM  
It's a novel written by a woman for women at a time when women's voices were mostly ignored and there's a good reason it continues to resonate.
 
2013-01-27 11:12:01 PM  

vudukungfu: Hmmmmm. Add some sparkly zombies and give them all power rings, and make it a gay-ass musical.
Then it might, just might sashay down Hollywood Boulevard.


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They're making a movie version, too.
 
2013-01-27 11:14:45 PM  

FishyFred: It's one thing if you don't like it, but it's kind of hard to call it cliched when it practically invented the cliches in question.


This. There really wasn't a romantic comedy genre before Jane Austen. And this book still is the best by far out of that genre.

/on my short list of favorite books of all time
//I usually hate romance novels
 
2013-01-27 11:15:56 PM  
I quite liked it when I read it. The films...meh.
 
2013-01-27 11:20:50 PM  

FishyFred: It's one thing if you don't like it, but it's kind of hard to call it cliched when it practically invented the cliches in question.


Well, sort of. A lot of them were tropes from an already-existing genre of literature, just done more competently to tell a better story that people actually remember. In TVTropes parlance, it was the trope codifier rather than the trope maker.

//Honestly, not really much else that's worth your time from the genre and time period, either, so not sure it being popular really constitutes being "overrated". Maybe "overexposed" is a better way to put it, they need to stop making the same damned movie every 3 years, we have so many of them that there are kids that don't even know how to read that have memorized the plot from the TV being left on by inattentive parents.
 
2013-01-27 11:24:33 PM  
Pride and Prejudice and Zombies sucked. I got 1/2 way through and gave up.
 
2013-01-27 11:38:37 PM  
I prefer the semaphore version myself. Same goes for "Wuthering Heights."
 
2013-01-27 11:38:48 PM  

FishyFred: It's one thing if you don't like it, but it's kind of hard to call it cliched when it practically invented the cliches in question.


Young people don't think about things like that, hence the messageboard post I read a couple years ago about how how The Sting was such a cliched con movie, and you can see every twist coming a mile away, why is this snoozefest so highly regarded?
 
2013-01-27 11:51:28 PM  
I still prefer Much Ado About Nothing for my literary romcoms.
 
2013-01-27 11:57:08 PM  

wildcardjack: Call me back when they put out "Pride and Prejudice and Lesbians"


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2013-01-28 12:21:13 AM  

you are a puppet: FishyFred: It's one thing if you don't like it, but it's kind of hard to call it cliched when it practically invented the cliches in question.

Young people don't think about things like that, hence the messageboard post I read a couple years ago about how how The Sting was such a cliched con movie, and you can see every twist coming a mile away, why is this snoozefest so highly regarded?


Ditto for anything Raymond Chandler ever wrote
 
2013-01-28 12:24:38 AM  

Mega Steve: I understand that the ladies love it, but is this story really worthy of a brazillion film versions?


I was miffed about the remake of a personal favorite, 'The Great Gatsby', until I learned how many times the film has already been remade. The classics have a wide audience. it makes sense that a producer/director would drool at the opportunity to have their hands in a production of the telling. And each remake has its own fresh new audience. Then there's the knowing that you'll have to screw it up pretty good to not make a boatload of $$$ that also serves as incentive.
 
2013-01-28 12:27:07 AM  
Oh-ver-rate-ed! (clap clap clapclapclap)
 
2013-01-28 01:03:18 AM  

mbangel10: Mega Steve: I understand that the ladies love it, but is this story really worthy of a brazillion film versions?

I'm pretty sure they perfected P&P in 1995. All the other brazillion versions are just wasted film.


Bingo!
 
2013-01-28 01:16:35 AM  

Mega Steve: I understand that the ladies love it,


Not THIS lady. Gaah.

I agree with Mark Twain's take on the book: "Everytime I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone."
 
2013-01-28 01:23:51 AM  

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: Genevieve Marie: FishyFred: It's one thing if you don't like it, but it's kind of hard to call it cliched when it practically invented the cliches in question.

Exactly my thought.

I remember when the movie "Troy" came out, and some of the critics complained of the various plot cliches (like going on a murderous rampage to avenge a fallen lover comrade). Yeah.

/and did you see those LOTR films that came out ten years ago? Gandalf was a TOTAL ripoff of Obi-Wan Kenobi.


Now you're stirring up my reaction to the hate John Carter got from the critics. "It's not fresh. We've seen this plot before..". REALLY? The story elements of a book written 100 years ago don't seem fresh? Glavin!

At some point, a story becomes an artifact, something greater than 'entertainment'. It becomes something that speaks about the time and place it was created even as it conveys the authors intent. Some stories are so good, entire 'genres' are created and 100 years later, they've been imitated, referenced, mashed-up, and regurgitated, which is where we appear to be at now, in terms of mass media. Then again, the hero's journey never really changes...


/I need a briar pipe to properly ponder the thoughts this thread has engendered
 
2013-01-28 02:13:42 AM  
A mashup book that needs to be written:

50 Shades of Prejudice
 
2013-01-28 03:07:51 AM  
I love Mark Twain's commentary:

"Jane Austen? Why I go so far as to say that any library is a good library that does not contain a volume by Jane Austen. Even if it contains no other book."

"To me his prose is unreadable -- like Jane Austin's [sic]. No there is a difference. I could read his prose on salary, but not Jane's. Jane is entirely impossible. It seems a great pity that they allowed her to die a natural death."

"Jane Austen's books, too, are absent from this library. Just that one omission alone would make a fairly good library out of a library that hadn't a book in it."

"I haven't any right to criticise books, and I don't do it except when I hate them. I often want to criticise Jane Austen, but her books madden me so that I can't conceal my frenzy from the reader; and therefore I have to stop every time I begin. Everytime I read 'Pride and Prejudice' I want to dig her up and beat her over the skull with her own shin-bone."
 
2013-01-28 04:08:58 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: The Bible is way older than 200, subby


Came for this. No need to read any further...
 
2013-01-28 04:59:08 AM  
Any Britlit fans who enjoyed Jennifer Ehle in "P&P", The Series, might enjoy "The Camomile Lawn", in which she wears far, far fewer clothes.

I know i did.

www.bapwatch.com

I think it was about WWII, or something. My mind, it clouds.
 
2013-01-28 06:26:41 AM  

GypsyJoker:


Is that an actual book? If yes. WANT!
 
2013-01-28 06:48:51 AM  
Damn.

I guessed it would be 3 posts before one of you edgy kids made a bible comment.
 
2013-01-28 08:01:22 AM  

TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Pride and Prejudice and Zombies sucked. I got 1/2 way through and gave up.


I didn't even make it that far but, then again, I know nothing about Pride and Prejudice, so I blame myself for not "getting it".
 
2013-01-28 08:24:50 AM  

bionicjoe: A classic you have to read in high school because girls that like crap like this become English Lit teachers.


Yes and no. What I find makes for a "classic you read in high school" are either case studies on literary technique (Pride and Prejudice, The Great Gatsby), period fiction (The Grapes of Wrath), or morality plays (Lord of the Flies). My best English classes practically doubled as history/philosophy classes.

My HS sophomore year English teacher was a militant feminist with all teh crazy. I hated her as a student, but to be honest & fair, she was a damn good teacher. My writing skills developed more in that one year than the rest of HS combined.

KrispyKritter: The classics have a wide audience. it makes sense that a producer/director would drool at the opportunity to have their hands in a production of the telling.


I'd bet it's almost the exact opposite. First, most directors want to do their own thing, not do something that's been done a million times. The reason why they're re-made is because the story rights are commonly public domain, and the plot is almost entirely progressed via a bunch of people talking to each other. With the exception of casting, which is more a cynical financial decision than an honest search for talent, these sorts of movies are insanely cheap to make. No royalties, no special effects, no tricky on-location filming. A group of enterprising college students could do it for a few hundred grand.

Consider that The Great Gatsby has been re-made a shiat-ton of times versus, say, Moby Dick. The former is a soap opera about plutocrats; the latter involves whales and ships.
 
2013-01-28 09:22:24 AM  
Victorian-era Literature - Dickens, Hardy, anyone named Bronte - is possibly closer to excruciating torture than anything else that might be inflicted on a student of English language. Reading that crap in high school and college made me long for playing "find the single verb in two solid pages of German" readings of Goethe instead. Anyone who tells me they hate reading and follows it up by explaining how much they despised "The Bleak House" or "Pride and Prejudice" in high school gets a free pass from me.
 
2013-01-28 09:38:14 AM  

CarnySaur: TeddyRooseveltsMustache: Pride and Prejudice and Zombies sucked. I got 1/2 way through and gave up.

I didn't even make it that far but, then again, I know nothing about Pride and Prejudice, so I blame myself for not "getting it".


I tried to struggle through Pride and Prejudice, just so that when I read P&P& Zombies it would be easier to "get it".
I'd pick it up, read a chapter, throw it down in boredom and start another book to distract myself. By the time I gave up on the whole thing I'd read 3 other books that I hadn't meant to in the first place. It's not even useful as a sleeping aid; it's just frustrating.

/Still haven't finished it, or started P&P& Zombies, and likely never will.
//It's still on the bookshelf, taunting me.
 
2013-01-28 09:57:45 AM  
I can understand seeing Jane Austen as important but she was severely overplayed by my English teachers. By the time I finished school I had read four Jane Austen novels and read Pride & Prejudice twice. I had to read Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn on my own. The most excruciating was my college Intro Lit class where we read Jane Austen, Elizabeth Gaskell, and Charlotte Bronte. I'm sure I have lingering misogyny because of it and it's probably at the root of my hatred of romance stories.
 
2013-01-28 10:02:44 AM  
Hey, submitter, look over here! It's a shiny thing! Look at the shiny thing!
 
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