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(Yahoo)   Think you are doing the right thing with your car? Here are the 10 worst things you can do to your precious vehicle   (finance.yahoo.com) divider line 215
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2013-01-27 05:29:31 PM  
How insightful, Business Insider, apparently you believe that most of your readers are dependent idiots. I'll service my car if I want to.
 
2013-01-27 05:34:55 PM  
11. Trust your wife to understand the reason behind any of the first 10 items.
 
2013-01-27 09:34:08 PM  
I was expecting stuff like "Driving it into a lake" or "Running over endangered animals".
 
2013-01-27 09:38:19 PM  
For some reason, "driving through a wooden shed," "dropping a caravan on it," "setting it on fire" and "imploding a twelve-storey building directly beneath it" are absent from the list.
 
2013-01-27 10:19:18 PM  
11.  Putting gigantic rims on it.
 
2013-01-27 10:22:30 PM  
According to a study from a company that sells automotive diagnostic equipment.
 
2013-01-27 10:24:41 PM  
Those are definitely not the worst things.

I can think of:

-Allow random strangers to joy ride
-Donate to a school carnival fundraiser as a "whack with a sledgehammer for a dollar" car
-Douse seats with gasoline and light on fire
-Drive into lava flow from volcano
-Park anywhere in Detroit
-Loan to college students fresh from a kegger on a Saturday night at 3 a.m.

Etc., etc.

Slightly dramatic in our headline, are we?
 
2013-01-27 10:28:19 PM  
What about "let your wife drive it?"

/ducks
 
2013-01-27 10:28:50 PM  
 
2013-01-27 10:31:26 PM  
And by "this" i didn't mean a repeat thread,but a rather contradictory thread. Whoops.
 
2013-01-27 10:32:55 PM  
-Driving it
-Looking upon it
-Thinking about it
-Referring to it in conversation

Your car will fall apart no matter how much or how little maintenance you put into it. It will do so on the day you need it most.
 
2013-01-27 10:59:17 PM  
11) Let it work in a Transformers movie.
 
2013-01-27 11:02:33 PM  
Stop when some guy yells POLICE EMERGENCY! I NEED YOUR CAR!
 
2013-01-27 11:04:20 PM  
11) Put a Tea Party bumper sticker on it.
 
2013-01-27 11:06:33 PM  
Parking in some of the crappy neighborhoods I lived in when my family was young and relatively poor.
 
2013-01-27 11:07:06 PM  
What about those stupid Jesus fish?
 
2013-01-27 11:07:15 PM  
What a crock of shiat.
 
2013-01-27 11:07:46 PM  
Yeah, I get all my great car advice from Yahoo.

/ And my financial advice from my local Indian casino.
 
2013-01-27 11:08:14 PM  
Put an Obama '12 bumper sticker on it.
 
2013-01-27 11:08:38 PM  
I've done (6) before. Couldn't be helped.

By the time I reached home, smoke was coming out from every orifice on the car. 10 minutes after I'd parked, a neighbor called saying my car was on fire. It wasn't though. Major repair the next day.
 
2013-01-27 11:09:15 PM  
Subby: Think you are doing the right thing with your Fark account? Here are the 10 worst things you can do to your precious account

1. Submit links to nonsensical "surveys" that are little more than PR fluff promoting a particular company's services and have absolutely zero basis in fact
2. Submit links to nonsensical "surveys" that are little more than PR fluff promoting a particular company's services and have absolutely zero basis in fact
3. Submit links to nonsensical "surveys" that are little more than PR fluff promoting a particular company's services and have absolutely zero basis in fact
4. Submit links to nonsensical "surveys" that are little more than PR fluff promoting a particular company's services and have absolutely zero basis in fact
5. Submit links to nonsensical "surveys" that are little more than PR fluff promoting a particular company's services and have absolutely zero basis in fact
6. Submit links to nonsensical "surveys" that are little more than PR fluff promoting a particular company's services and have absolutely zero basis in fact
7. Submit links to nonsensical "surveys" that are little more than PR fluff promoting a particular company's services and have absolutely zero basis in fact
8. Submit links to nonsensical "surveys" that are little more than PR fluff promoting a particular company's services and have absolutely zero basis in fact
9. Submit links to nonsensical "surveys" that are little more than PR fluff promoting a particular company's services and have absolutely zero basis in fact
10. Submit links to the Daily Fail and/or Sun claiming to contain "hot" women

You've violated nine of the ten golden rules, Subby. Poor play. Poor play indeed.
 
2013-01-27 11:09:53 PM  
i2.ytimg.com

Letting some dickless piece of sh*t f*ck with it.
 
2013-01-27 11:12:27 PM  
So... "don't intentionally not fix things that you know to be broken or malfunctioning", basically.

Insightful. I would never have thought of that.
 
2013-01-27 11:13:00 PM  
I don't work on my high-tech car, I work on my low-tech truck
 
2013-01-27 11:13:18 PM  

Aboleth: I've done (6) before. Couldn't be helped.

By the time I reached home, smoke was coming out from every orifice on the car. 10 minutes after I'd parked, a neighbor called saying my car was on fire. It wasn't though. Major repair the next day.


I've driven on an engine that was starting to overheat. There was nothing fatally wrong, just a very, very hot day, A/C, and a tiny engine that was probably a little low on coolant.

What saved the day is one of those great pieces of advice from dear ol' Dad that you file away until you need it. If the engine starts to overheat, turn on the heater and draw some of the excess heat off the engine. It worked - I don't even remember having to have the car repaired.
 
2013-01-27 11:15:12 PM  
I was actually at a tire place waiting to get my vehicle serviced when a couple had just come back after leaving. The tech forgot to put the lug nuts back on the wheel.

I left.
 
2013-01-27 11:15:16 PM  
Please don't youtube videos of car repair! You might discover how simple and inexpensive it is.
 
2013-01-27 11:16:01 PM  
Well that was useless. Let me sum up:

"Don't break your shiat"

There. Now you don't need to click the link.
 
2013-01-27 11:16:15 PM  
8 and 10 can kiss my arse.  Call me old school or out of touch but I still service both of our cars (2011 and 1999).  With the exception of a  CVT transmission rebuild or a full engine rebuild on the newer cars, everything is doable.  The hell with the stealerships.

/no issues with good independent garages
//getting harder and harder to find though
 
2013-01-27 11:16:18 PM  

SpdrJay: What about those stupid Jesus fish?


Worse than that are those stupid stick-figure decals that show every member of your family, including your pets.

Why don't people just get a bumper-sticker that says "The Douchebag Family"?
 
2013-01-27 11:16:23 PM  
No "put a spoiler on it?"
 
2013-01-27 11:16:47 PM  

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I was actually at a tire place waiting to get my vehicle serviced when a couple had just come back after leaving. The tech forgot to put the lug nuts back on the wheel.

I left.


I had a lube place forget to put oil in.
 
2013-01-27 11:17:40 PM  
Also, every single person working at the quick lube place has been in jail and possibly prison more than once.

/I used to own 2 oil xchanges.
 
kab
2013-01-27 11:17:55 PM  
#10 is entirely dependent on your own skill.

#6 is just a retard test. Fail that, and you probably shouldn't have a license to begin with.

#9 on that list is the absolute truth, and becomes apparent to folks who dabble in aftermarket / performance gear for cars. In more cases than not, the improved thingamajig isn't going to have the fit / quality / durability that the oem one does. Spark plug cables are a perfect example of this.

/yes, I know there are exceptions.
 
2013-01-27 11:19:04 PM  
11. Use the trunk as a temporary graveyard for your dead toddler.
 
2013-01-27 11:19:35 PM  
i135.photobucket.com


But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....
 
2013-01-27 11:20:41 PM  
No mention of a JATO engine or an airbrushed mural of your girlfriend.
 
2013-01-27 11:20:55 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: I don't work on my high-tech car, I work on my low-tech truck


Older rigs FTW
 
2013-01-27 11:21:49 PM  

scotchcrotch: 11. Use the trunk as a temporary graveyard for your dead toddler.


Ugh, we had a woman do that here.
 
2013-01-27 11:21:50 PM  
The best example of the snowball effect of missed car repairs is the air filter. It costs about 20 bucks to replace, but if left alone, a dirty filter can bust oxygen (02) sensors in cars, which cost as much as $250 to replace. And when the sensor fails, you'll first see your gas mileage plunge, then possibly wind up with a $1,000 bill to replace your catalytic converter.

huh.... this might actually explain a few things with my car.... crap.

/wasn't sure if I was right when I thought my car went from 380 gallons a tank to 240... just told myself I must not have reset the odometer.

..csb
 
kab
2013-01-27 11:22:15 PM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 533x400]


But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....


uh.. holy shiat.
 
2013-01-27 11:22:56 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Aboleth: I've done (6) before. Couldn't be helped.

By the time I reached home, smoke was coming out from every orifice on the car. 10 minutes after I'd parked, a neighbor called saying my car was on fire. It wasn't though. Major repair the next day.

I've driven on an engine that was starting to overheat. There was nothing fatally wrong, just a very, very hot day, A/C, and a tiny engine that was probably a little low on coolant.

What saved the day is one of those great pieces of advice from dear ol' Dad that you file away until you need it. If the engine starts to overheat, turn on the heater and draw some of the excess heat off the engine. It worked - I don't even remember having to have the car repaired.


I'd probably know to do this if I didn't live in the tropics where most cars have no heaters.
 
2013-01-27 11:23:05 PM  
Ok, why the fark was this green lit? moderators drunk? clicked wrong thing?
 
2013-01-27 11:23:38 PM  
Drive it about three miles south-west of my place and leave it unlocked with a GPS system on the dash and lose change on the seat.
 
2013-01-27 11:25:13 PM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 533x400]


But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....


That's the extended performance zone of every disc brake.  Very few people know about it.
 
2013-01-27 11:26:17 PM  

Billy Bathsalt: I don't work on my high-tech car, I work on my low-tech truck


High tech cars are actually not that complicated. Compare and contrast a late model car with a 1984 Honda Accord, farking hoses and other pneumatic doodads everywhere.
 
2013-01-27 11:26:38 PM  
Car companies are so eager to cram high tech gadgets into cars. It's sad, I'd much prefer a car that was advertised as the "Least computerized vehicle allowed on the road." All that crap breaks (which the service departments love) or go completely out of style in 5-7 years. Having an iPod dock built into your dash will seem really stupid in a few years.
 
2013-01-27 11:27:07 PM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 533x400]


But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....


...

Wow.
 
2013-01-27 11:27:46 PM  
Once had a '68 Chevy Malibu wagon shut down, overheated. Let it cool, had to add 5 QTS of oil and it ran just fine. They used to build the crap out of cars.
 
2013-01-27 11:27:57 PM  

Aboleth: ImpendingCynic: Aboleth: I've done (6) before. Couldn't be helped.

By the time I reached home, smoke was coming out from every orifice on the car. 10 minutes after I'd parked, a neighbor called saying my car was on fire. It wasn't though. Major repair the next day.

I've driven on an engine that was starting to overheat. There was nothing fatally wrong, just a very, very hot day, A/C, and a tiny engine that was probably a little low on coolant.

What saved the day is one of those great pieces of advice from dear ol' Dad that you file away until you need it. If the engine starts to overheat, turn on the heater and draw some of the excess heat off the engine. It worked - I don't even remember having to have the car repaired.

I'd probably know to do this if I didn't live in the tropics where most cars have no heaters.


When I went to Brazil, I came across the same thing there. It seemed like heat in one's car was an anomoly.
 
2013-01-27 11:28:13 PM  

WhippingBoy: SpdrJay: What about those stupid Jesus fish?

Worse than that are those stupid stick-figure decals that show every member of your family, including your pets.

Why don't people just get a bumper-sticker that says "The Douchebag Family"?


imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-01-27 11:29:49 PM  

Klaumbaz: Ok, why the fark was this green lit? moderators drunk? clicked wrong thing?


I think our problems start when the admins and moderators sober up
 
2013-01-27 11:30:20 PM  
1. Putting off recommended / scheduled maintenance

Because that's money the car dealer is not getting.

2. Ignoring the "check engine" light

Because the car manufacture isn't committing fraud when they program that light to come on after x miles. Trust us, take your car to the dealer.

3. Not changing the oil, or not having it changed on time

3000 mile oil changes only make sense with older cars. New models can go much longer between oil changes.

4. Not checking tire pressure

Ok, I'll give them this one.

5. Neglecting coolant, brake, transmission and other fluid services

The quickie oil change place I go to does this for me.

6. Continuing to drive when the vehicle is overheating

This is just common sense - unless your car is overheating in South Central Los Angeles. Then keep driving as fast as you farking can.

7. Not changing fuel and air filters

See #5.

8. Having unqualified shops service your vehicle

Because only the car dealership is qualified to work on your car. Trust us, no one else could possible know how to fix your car and we charge three times as much because of our expertise.

9. Using generic aftermarket parts instead of original equipment manufacturer (OEM)-quality parts

The manufacturer parts cost at least double the money and last half the time for a good reason. Just trust us.

10. Trying to service your own high-tech vehicle

Yep, you can't. We put shiat in that car that makes no sense just so you can't work on it. It's not your '72 VW Bug anymore.
 
2013-01-27 11:30:48 PM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 533x400]


But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....


Okay, I don't remove wheels from cars, so I may be a little slow on this.. but is that the result of metal being removed from the brake disk, presumably because the brake pads wore out?
 
2013-01-27 11:31:34 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: WhippingBoy: SpdrJay: What about those stupid Jesus fish?

Worse than that are those stupid stick-figure decals that show every member of your family, including your pets.

Why don't people just get a bumper-sticker that says "The Douchebag Family"?


I saw a zombie one recently. That was almost tolerable.
 
2013-01-27 11:32:28 PM  
JacksonBryan

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 533x400]


But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....

That's the extended performance zone of every disc brake. Very few people know about it.


First rule about extended performance zone...
 
2013-01-27 11:33:09 PM  

Ikam: JohnAnnArbor: WhippingBoy: SpdrJay: What about those stupid Jesus fish?

Worse than that are those stupid stick-figure decals that show every member of your family, including your pets.

Why don't people just get a bumper-sticker that says "The Douchebag Family"?

I saw a zombie one recently. That was almost tolerable.


I want one with just a guy (me) and a long string of disposable sluts.

/and my cats
 
2013-01-27 11:33:20 PM  
I would add: driving it off the lot when it is brand new. Depreciation is a biatch.
 
2013-01-27 11:35:46 PM  
This "article" was pretty much written by a car dealer's service department.


1. Putting off recommended / scheduled maintenance
equals "LET US SERVICE YOUR CAR!"
2. Ignoring the "check engine" light
equals "LET US SERVICE YOUR CAR!"
3. Not changing the oil, or not having it changed on time
equals "LET US SERVICE YOUR CAR!"
4. Not checking tire pressure
equals "LET US SERVICE YOUR CAR!"
5. Neglecting coolant, brake, transmission and other fluid services
equals "LET US SERVICE YOUR CAR!"
6. Continuing to drive when the vehicle is overheating
equals "LET US SERVICE YOUR CAR!"
7. Not changing fuel and air filters
equals "LET US SERVICE YOUR CAR!"
8. Having unqualified shops service your vehicle
equals "LET US SERVICE YOUR CAR!"
9. Using generic aftermarket parts instead of original equipment manufacturer (OEM)-quality parts
equals "LET US SERVICE YOUR CAR!"
10. Trying to service your own high-tech vehicle
equals "LET US SERVICE YOUR CAR!"
 
x23
2013-01-27 11:35:50 PM  

Vexed Thespian: /wasn't sure if I was right when I thought my car went from 380 gallons a tank to 240... just told myself I must not have reset the odometer.


that is a freaking huge gas tank. must cost a fortune to fill it up. i don't even think semi trucks have tanks that big. weird how the volume of the tank has shrunk though.
 
2013-01-27 11:38:13 PM  
Using your garage to store your Christmas tree box on top of your treadmill instead of as a secure weatherproof place to park your car.
 
2013-01-27 11:38:18 PM  

kab: #10 is entirely dependent on your own skill.

#6 is just a retard test. Fail that, and you probably shouldn't have a license to begin with.

#9 on that list is the absolute truth, and becomes apparent to folks who dabble in aftermarket / performance gear for cars. In more cases than not, the improved thingamajig isn't going to have the fit / quality / durability that the oem one does. Spark plug cables are a perfect example of this.

/yes, I know there are exceptions.


#9 is why I only put Ford brand oil in my engine and Ford brand Tires on my car.
 
2013-01-27 11:38:47 PM  

Ikam: JohnAnnArbor: WhippingBoy: SpdrJay: What about those stupid Jesus fish?

Worse than that are those stupid stick-figure decals that show every member of your family, including your pets.

Why don't people just get a bumper-sticker that says "The Douchebag Family"?

I saw a zombie one recently. That was almost tolerable.


static.happyplace.com
That one makes me smile
 
2013-01-27 11:40:10 PM  
I only drive my car when the weather is realllly shiatty. The rest of the time I ride one of my motorcycles

/Road Glide for cold weather and long trips, souped up Sporty for warm weather, Honda 750 for commuting
//I want to see how many miles I can get on that Honda. I know someone with over 150k
 
2013-01-27 11:40:17 PM  
I would also add as a useful tip, if your car is overheating and needs fluid added to the radiator, LEAVE THE ENGINE RUNNING when adding this fluid. And add it slowly. Cold liquid entering overheated engine = cracked block.
 
2013-01-27 11:40:24 PM  

JacksonBryan: 8 and 10 can kiss my arse.  Call me old school or out of touch but I still service both of our cars (2011 and 1999).  With the exception of a  CVT transmission rebuild or a full engine rebuild on the newer cars, everything is doable.  The hell with the stealerships.


FTFY.

Reasons for wanting CVT elude me however. I guess it's the transmission to go for when you really hate driving.
 
2013-01-27 11:40:28 PM  
i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-27 11:41:08 PM  

Ikam: JohnAnnArbor: WhippingBoy: SpdrJay: What about those stupid Jesus fish?

Worse than that are those stupid stick-figure decals that show every member of your family, including your pets.

Why don't people just get a bumper-sticker that says "The Douchebag Family"?

I saw a zombie one recently. That was almost tolerable.


www.wickedfunnypictures.com

This one is the most annoying one I've seen yet.
 
2013-01-27 11:41:28 PM  

UsikFark: Pribar:

i135.photobucket.com

But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....

Okay, I don't remove wheels from cars, so I may be a little slow on this.. but is that the result of metal being removed from the brake disk, presumably because the brake pads wore out?


You could say that, a normal disc rotor looks like this:

i135.photobucket.com

The one I originally linked had the shoes worn down to the steel core which ate through the rotor to the cooling vanes and actually caused it to separate from the hub. Not good turned a 99 buck brake job into a 1000 plus Odyssey
 
2013-01-27 11:42:50 PM  

Skywolf the Scribbler: How insightful, Business Insider, apparently you believe that most of your readers are dependent idiots. I'll service my car if I want to.


THIS!!

I have been servicing my own cars, not every single maintenance or repair but the majority, for about 25 years. My current vehicles are 16, 10 and 6 years old and in just as fine shape as most folk's. It doesnt take a genius to change oil, rotate tires, change air or fuel filters, change shocks/struts, replace a timing belt or perhaps a transmission. I cant say I have never screwed up and cost myself some money but I am far ahead in terms of cost when compared to paying to have everything done by someone else.
 
2013-01-27 11:43:58 PM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 533x400]


But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....


www.myfacewhen.net

Wow. Whomever was driving that is lucky to be alive.
 
2013-01-27 11:44:32 PM  
Also, liberal political stickers in my state will result in some tebagger keying your car every time. Yeah its that bad.
 
2013-01-27 11:45:10 PM  
 
2013-01-27 11:47:20 PM  

OgreMagi: I want one with just a guy (me) and a long string of disposable sluts.


Loosely related:

i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-01-27 11:47:24 PM  

iron de havilland: JacksonBryan: 8 and 10 can kiss my arse.  Call me old school or out of touch but I still service both of our cars (2011 and 1999).  With the exception of a  CVT transmission rebuild or a full engine rebuild on the newer cars, everything is doable.  The hell with the stealerships.

FTFY.

Reasons for wanting CVT elude me however. I guess it's the transmission to go for when you really hate driving.


The wife's car has one, women must love it but coming from nothing but manual transmissions, I hate the farking thing.
 
2013-01-27 11:47:31 PM  

Sid_6.7: -Drive into lava flow from volcano


It would probably be a smoky mess but this I would like to see.
 
2013-01-27 11:48:16 PM  

Pribar: The one I originally linked had the shoes worn down to the steel core which ate through the rotor to the cooling vanes and actually caused it to separate from the hub. Not good turned a 99 buck brake job into a 1000 plus Odyssey


How on earth did they even drive it like that?? Put all the braking force on the other axle? It's a good thing that person never had to make an emergency stop.
 
2013-01-27 11:48:43 PM  

JohnAnnArbor: WhippingBoy: SpdrJay: What about those stupid Jesus fish?

Worse than that are those stupid stick-figure decals that show every member of your family, including your pets.

Why don't people just get a bumper-sticker that says "The Douchebag Family"?

[imgs.xkcd.com image 740x297]


I want just a single one of those stick figure decals, but with Forever Alone as the head.
 
2013-01-27 11:48:58 PM  

thorthor: Also, liberal political stickers in my state will result in some tebagger keying your car every time. Yeah its that bad.


I'm going to call bullshiat on that one. It is the libs that are the violent ones.
 
2013-01-27 11:49:01 PM  

LarryDan43: Please don't youtube videos of car repair! You might discover how simple and inexpensive it is.


True, though make sure you watch videos from more than one source.
I've seen horrifically bad advice given in some YouTube DIY videos.
I saw one about how to set up you guitar, where the "expert" was winding the strings the wrong way around the tuning pegs, which is something I thought only the mentally deficient was capable of.
 
2013-01-27 11:49:36 PM  

thorthor: Also, liberal political stickers in my state will result in some tebagger keying your car every time. Yeah its that bad.


Never fark with another man's car.

/Although, I have seen people put opponent's political stickers on top of other political stickers and didn't think it was too bad.
 
2013-01-27 11:50:37 PM  
1.  Putting off recommended / scheduled maintenance
Sometimes.  Some scheduled maintenance is known as "milk the customer" maintenance, some of it needs to be done.  If you don't know which is which, talk to a qualified friend of family member, or just take it in on schedule and bend over.

2. Ignoring the "check engine" light
The check engine light is almost exclusively emissions/pollution control measures these days, there's usually another light for real real problems, like the oil light etc.  Don't ignore the light, hook it up to a reader at a parts store, they usually won't charge you.  If it was just something like the gas cap not being tight enough three weeks ago (a real reading I had after buying a locking cap) you can just tighten the cap and reset the alert.  If it's a real problem you can fix it, take it to a parts store, not a mechanic first, save the money if your car is still running fine.

3. Not changing the oil, or not having it changed on time
This is a real thing - sort of.  Modern vehicles can make normal oil last longer than vehicles made 20 or 30 years ago, safely.  Synthetic oils even longer than that.  Of course anyone who changes oil for a living is still giving you 1963 oil change times.  Pay attention to what kind of oil you put in, the age and condition of your vehicle, and use some brain cells.  I can actually tell the performance change in my vehicle when it needs an oil change.

4. Not checking tire pressure
This is hard on tires, gas mileage, handling, and performance.  It's not really something that will kill your vehicle as the article implies, but yes, keep track of it.

5. Neglecting coolant, brake, transmission and other fluid services
Yes this is a big deal.  Learn hot to take the caps off of everything and look at the fill lines, not that hard really.  Also know how to listen for singing brakes.

6. Continuing to drive when the vehicle is overheating
This is accurate, pull over stupid!  Chances are if you take care of all of the above you wont have this problem unless your vehicle is really old.

7. Not changing fuel and air filters
These are a little trickier than the rest.  A nasty looking air filter can be just fine and a pristine looking one can be clogged.  Fuel filters - they can last the life of the vehicle, even for a long life, or just a short time, buy descent gas.  When your performance degrades check these things.

8. Having unqualified shops service your vehicle
Maybe.  If your vehicle is under warranty use it.  If it's not go somewhere reputable.  Don't buy sandwiches from a gas station bathroom vending machine either.

9. Using generic aftermarket parts instead of original equipment manufacturer (OEM)-quality parts
Often times "generic" (as in non-oem) parts are better and cheaper than OEM parts.  If you buy a low end performance part you'll get something that is better made and more efficient  than the OEM version most of the time.  If you get a high-end performance part may end up with a hot-rod.  I tend to replace worn parts with low-end performance parts when I can, they cost less and they're often better. OEM COMPONENTS ARE OVERPRICED.  I don't hot-rod my stuff and I don't buy crap.

10. Trying to service your own high-tech vehicle
That's right, you're all a bunch of morans and we know it! Just like anything else.  Don't do something you don't feel comfortable doing.  I'm not a high-end mechanic and I've done plenty of work on later model vehicles.  Yes, I was more comfortable on 1980's tech than I am new stuff, but really, when it gets down to it a lot of it isn't all that different as long as you stay out of the electrical systems.
 
2013-01-27 11:51:31 PM  
I also thorougly disagree with that crap about using only manufacturers parts. Sure, if you love paying out the ass for the same thing you can get much cheaper then go right ahead. The car manufacturers probably paid to have that bit of drivel put in there.
 
2013-01-27 11:51:58 PM  

TommyymmoT: LarryDan43: Please don't youtube videos of car repair! You might discover how simple and inexpensive it is.

True, though make sure you watch videos from more than one source.
I've seen horrifically bad advice given in some YouTube DIY videos.


I'm willing to do work on my car when it is not something that might end up being a legal liability thing, like brakes.
 
2013-01-27 11:52:46 PM  
www.examiner.com
Yeah, it looks dumb, but you get an extra 25hp just from the backflow.
 
2013-01-27 11:53:26 PM  

JacksonBryan: iron de havilland: JacksonBryan: 8 and 10 can kiss my arse.  Call me old school or out of touch but I still service both of our cars (2011 and 1999).  With the exception of a  CVT transmission rebuild or a full engine rebuild on the newer cars, everything is doable.  The hell with the stealerships.

FTFY.

Reasons for wanting CVT elude me however. I guess it's the transmission to go for when you really hate driving.

The wife's car has one, women must love it but coming from nothing but manual transmissions, I hate the farking thing.


My wife and I have the same car, except hers is the hybrid version. I have to admit that I have grown to prefer using her car for road trips because of the cvt. My car trends to shift alot when dealing with winds or grades while trying to maintain speed. Her car simply increases rpm slightly. It makes long trips more enjoyable.
 
2013-01-27 11:54:26 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: Billy Bathsalt: I don't work on my high-tech car, I work on my low-tech truck

Older rigs FTW


Computer make is easy to troubleshoot harness problems and ensure your gas guzzler starts every time you turn the key.
 
2013-01-27 11:56:01 PM  

pecosdave: 3. Not changing the oil, or not having it changed on time
This is a real thing - sort of. Modern vehicles can make normal oil last longer than vehicles made 20 or 30 years ago, safely. Synthetic oils even longer than that. Of course anyone who changes oil for a living is still giving you 1963 oil change times. Pay attention to what kind of oil you put in, the age and condition of your vehicle, and use some brain cells. I can actually tell the performance change in my vehicle when it needs an oil change.


I can't believe I had to come down to your post to read this. I just got a new car and went for synthetic (to make it last longer! whee!), and so being an internetty person, I looked up the oil change times for synthetic. Even the nice boys at the local chain are assuming that I'm driving in the worst possible conditions all the time, for the number they gave me.

I'll be taking my new car in for an oil change a little less than the window cling says. :\
 
2013-01-27 11:56:17 PM  

KrispyKritter: Once had a '68 Chevy Malibu wagon shut down, overheated. Let it cool, had to add 5 QTS of oil and it ran just fine. They used to build the crap out of cars.


The big difference between your 68 Malibu and all modern cars is the the former has a cast iron cylinder head and the news one (if last 30 years is new) are all heat treated aluminum. The aluminum ones warp when the car overheats. The other difference is the cooling system on modern cars is pressurized, if you have a leak then the engine will pee out coolant and then over heat.
 
2013-01-27 11:56:42 PM  

Pribar: But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....


I had to stare at that for a moment. Rather impressive.

I have a degree in mechanical engineering and might go back to study economics. I try to avoid dirty work that saves me less than $100 per hour of my time. So I rely on wrench turners who do it all the time and will therefore do it in a quarter the time it would take me.

It's part of the division of labor. I think it's Riccardo's law. $45 and 20 minutes and my oil gets changed, giving me at least 2 hours to do something more profitable or relaxing.
 
2013-01-27 11:57:56 PM  

thorthor: Also, liberal political stickers in my state will result in some tebagger keying your car every time. Yeah its that bad.


I don't do bumper stickers of any kind, but a 360degree survailance camera would be fun in that situation just to biatch slap them with the price of a new paint job.
That'll learn 'em.
 
2013-01-27 11:58:13 PM  
List fails with "Put a downpipe on it without a tune

or "put a hoodscoop on a vehicle without an intercooler"

"use Mobil 1"

"Race your shiatbox civic against grown-up cars"

"stretch tires onto rims"

"use NOS"
 
2013-01-27 11:59:15 PM  

Sid_6.7: TommyymmoT: LarryDan43: Please don't youtube videos of car repair! You might discover how simple and inexpensive it is.

True, though make sure you watch videos from more than one source.
I've seen horrifically bad advice given in some YouTube DIY videos.

I'm willing to do work on my car when it is not something that might end up being a legal liability thing, like brakes.


Same here. Brakes are one of the few things I won't work on.
 
2013-01-27 11:59:39 PM  

oldcub: JacksonBryan: iron de havilland: JacksonBryan: 8 and 10 can kiss my arse.  Call me old school or out of touch but I still service both of our cars (2011 and 1999).  With the exception of a  CVT transmission rebuild or a full engine rebuild on the newer cars, everything is doable.  The hell with the stealerships.

FTFY.

Reasons for wanting CVT elude me however. I guess it's the transmission to go for when you really hate driving.

The wife's car has one, women must love it but coming from nothing but manual transmissions, I hate the farking thing.

My wife and I have the same car, except hers is the hybrid version. I have to admit that I have grown to prefer using her car for road trips because of the cvt. My car trends to shift alot when dealing with winds or grades while trying to maintain speed. Her car simply increases rpm slightly. It makes long trips more enjoyable.


I've found leaving my wife at home or having her fly greatly improves my road trip experiences.

I do understand what you are referring too, my beef comes from the way it handles accelerating from a stop more so than cruising.
 
2013-01-28 12:00:55 AM  

JohnAnnArbor: WhippingBoy: SpdrJay: What about those stupid Jesus fish?

Worse than that are those stupid stick-figure decals that show every member of your family, including your pets.

Why don't people just get a bumper-sticker that says "The Douchebag Family"?

[imgs.xkcd.com image 740x297]


3.bp.blogspot.com

Is that what those things are. I thought they were just a modernized version of nose art that hipsters kept track of their "kills" by.
 
2013-01-28 12:04:29 AM  
Nice round about way of saying 'give the dealership insane amounts of money'. Change your oil about every 6 months, change the air filter once a year, check your tires every 3-4 months and while you are at it, make sure the other fluids are topped off too.
 
2013-01-28 12:04:40 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: thorthor: Also, liberal political stickers in my state will result in some tebagger keying your car every time. Yeah its that bad.

I'm going to call bullshiat on that one. It is the libs that are the violent ones.


I guess it all depends on where you live. Personally I would never fark with someone else's ride no matter what their political affiliation.
 
2013-01-28 12:05:11 AM  
I've ignored a check engine light for 30,000 miles before.  Well, not quite ignored, I knew what was causing it.  But I completely ignored it because I couldn't disable the warning so I had no idea if another warning was getting triggered.  It was the failure of a secondary system that was only needed in weather well below freezing, which almost never happens around here, and even then it still started, just sluggishly.
 
2013-01-28 12:06:06 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: [www.examiner.com image 512x384]
Yeah, it looks dumb, but you get an extra 25hp just from the backflow.


Not if it's a front wheel drive.
 
2013-01-28 12:07:49 AM  
1. Putting off recommended / scheduled maintenance
Recommended by who? Jiffy Lube? Check your owners manual for the actual schedule, because the schedule you're being quoted usually a lie.

2. Ignoring the "check engine" light
This study was published by a company that sells OBDII scanners.

3. Not changing the oil, or not having it changed on time
Most people change it way too often. The 3,000 mile rule is outdated. Modern oils can go nearly 10,000 miles.

4. Not checking tire pressure
Unless it's visibly under inflated, the only drawback is lower gas mileage.

5. Neglecting coolant, brake, transmission and other fluid services
Most people change these far too often. Don't believe what the Jiffy Lube guys tells you. Check your owners manual to see the real maintenance schedule. Brake fluid will last the life of the car, and even antifreeze will last >100k miles these days.

6. Continuing to drive when the vehicle is overheating
7. Not changing fuel and air filters

I'll give them these two.

8. Having unqualified shops service your vehicle
And how would you know that, exactly? Some of the shoddiest work I've ever seen has been from dealerships, and they're supposedly the most qualified. This is a total crap shoot.

9. Using generic aftermarket parts instead of original equipment manufacturer (OEM)-quality parts
False. Aftermarket parts are usually far superior to the overpriced OEM parts.

10. Trying to service your own high-tech vehicle
FACT: High-tech cars are MUCH easier to work on than older cars because they diagnose themselves! You just plug in the OBDII scanner and the car will tell you exactly what's wrong with it. What this really means is that the author is uncomfortable working on his own car, which means he's not qualified to write this article in the first place.
 
2013-01-28 12:08:06 AM  

TommyymmoT: Same here. Brakes are one of the few things I won't work on.


Dude brakes are one way to really save money. And usually not hard to do, disk brakes are easy peesie.
 
2013-01-28 12:09:53 AM  
Use only OEM parts bit means this was sponsored by a car company or a dealership association. Call up your dealer and ask for a lifetime guaranteed starter. No such thing. Get one for half the price from a parts chain. Undo one battery terminal, one starter wire and 2 bolts then redo them and you're set for life and you'll save hundreds on a 20 minute job. If you can change out a hard drive on a laptop you can change out pretty much anything short of your drive train on your econobox.
 
2013-01-28 12:10:39 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: [www.examiner.com image 512x384]
Yeah, it looks dumb, but you get an extra 25hp just from the backflow.


See, you have these idiots in their crappy ass cars wanting to look like an STI, they've made the STI wing seem like a joke itself, but it isn't.

"Let's speak to the functionality of the STI wing. We hate to disappoint some people, but it actually does work. Subaru spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop that particular wing and then spent many, many hours testing and tweaking the wing in wind tunnels.

The wing is specifically designed to provide a significant amount of downforce past 70 mph road speed. The wing reduces lift and increases the high speed stability. The STI aerodynamics were further enhanced in 2006, with the addition of a roof vane spoiler, which stabilizes the air flow to the rear wing."

Link
 
2013-01-28 12:10:46 AM  
The best example of the snowball effect of missed car repairs is the air filter. It costs about 20 bucks to replace, but if left alone, a dirty filter can bust oxygen (02) sensors in cars, which cost as much as $250 to replace. And when the sensor fails, you'll first see your gas mileage plunge, then possibly wind up with a $1,000 bill to replace your catalytic converter.

A dirty air filter on a fuel injection vehicle will not harm the O2 sensor. In fact a dirty air filter does not affect mileage as many of these stupid articles claim. A dirty air filter may lower your maximum horsepower, though.
 
2013-01-28 12:13:24 AM  

Government Fromage: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I was actually at a tire place waiting to get my vehicle serviced when a couple had just come back after leaving. The tech forgot to put the lug nuts back on the wheel.

I left.

I had a lube place forget to put oil in.


Lube place put the oil pan bolt in with an impact and stripped the threads. The plug didn't fail until 500 miles outside of town on a family vacation. My counsin saw the oil pressure drop so he cut the ignition and coasted the car to the side of the road. Grease monkey place denied any wrong doing and said they do it all the time and blamed it on my cousin.
 
2013-01-28 12:15:49 AM  

RabidJade: Government Fromage: Random Anonymous Blackmail: I was actually at a tire place waiting to get my vehicle serviced when a couple had just come back after leaving. The tech forgot to put the lug nuts back on the wheel.

I left.

I had a lube place forget to put oil in.

Lube place put the oil pan bolt in with an impact and stripped the threads. The plug didn't fail until 500 miles outside of town on a family vacation. My counsin saw the oil pressure drop so he cut the ignition and coasted the car to the side of the road. Grease monkey place denied any wrong doing and said they do it all the time and blamed it on my cousin.


That's why I use a Fumoto Valve, never have to worry about cross threading or stripping the head of the bolt.

I had a clutch/flywheel replaced on my Audi and the mechanic forgot to change the gasket on the driveshaft. I was driving through the DC Snowmageddon of 2010 and that old gasket blew, got fluid all over the brand new clutch/flywheel. He refused to fix it, said I had been "racing"
 
2013-01-28 12:15:58 AM  
Filling the gas tank with syrup, setting it on fire, running over it with a steamroller, shooting the engine block and radiator with a .50 cal--then burying it in a pile of salt and urinating on it--ISN'T as bad as ignoring the check engine light?

Weird... Good to know, though.
 
2013-01-28 12:16:44 AM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 533x400]


But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....


I've seen something like that. The OE caliper of the ex's 98 Cavalier siezed. It would extend when you pressed the pedal but not retract when you let off. By the time I got to it things were bad. The outside half of the rotor was ground down so far that I could see the outline of the vanes in the metal. That half of the rotor wasnt all gone, but what was left of it was paper thin and razor sharp. I wish I took a picture of it. 2 hours and a trip to the auto parts store later and the car had all new (rebuilt calipers, whatever) brake hardware up front. I hated that farking car. The transmission died a year later.
 
2013-01-28 12:17:00 AM  
www.dailyinterweb.com

Ground effects and low profile tires can significantly increase your acceleration times and boost aerodynamics resulting in ~35hp improvement over stock bodies.
 
2013-01-28 12:17:24 AM  

King Something: For some reason, "driving through a wooden shed," "dropping a caravan on it," "setting it on fire" and "imploding a twelve-storey building directly beneath it" are absent from the list.


You forgot sending it out to sea.
-J-
 
2013-01-28 12:18:49 AM  

CtrlAltDestroy: Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 533x400]


But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....

I've seen something like that. The OE caliper of the ex's 98 Cavalier siezed. It would extend when you pressed the pedal but not retract when you let off. By the time I got to it things were bad. The outside half of the rotor was ground down so far that I could see the outline of the vanes in the metal. That half of the rotor wasnt all gone, but what was left of it was paper thin and razor sharp. I wish I took a picture of it. 2 hours and a trip to the auto parts store later and the car had all new (rebuilt calipers, whatever) brake hardware up front. I hated that farking car. The transmission died a year later.


I had to check your profile because I could have sworn no one else dated my ex at that time... :P
 
2013-01-28 12:18:56 AM  

Sid_6.7: I'm willing to do work on my car when it is not something that might end up being a legal liability thing, like brakes.


Then there's also, you know, the huge safety issue. Wouldn't mess with mine no matter how much $ it meant saving.
 
2013-01-28 12:19:57 AM  
Is "plowing into a crowded farmers market" on the list?
 
2013-01-28 12:20:47 AM  

Feral_and_Preposterous: running over it with a steamroller


Here c-c-c-comes Ken to k-k-k-kill me!
 
2013-01-28 12:20:50 AM  

gibbon1: Billy Bathsalt: I don't work on my high-tech car, I work on my low-tech truck

High tech cars are actually not that complicated. Compare and contrast a late model car with a 1984 Honda Accord, farking hoses and other pneumatic doodads everywhere.


The smog and emissions systems on the newer cars are what add to the complexity of the engine bays. We traded cleaner air and less fuel efficiency for the ability to work on our own vehicles. Pulling the engine and rebuilding it on a 1996 truck was hell compared to a 1986 of the same model.

//have worked on the new and old
 
JVD
2013-01-28 12:21:13 AM  
The check engine light was on in my dad's last truck for 200,000 miles.
Some errors are BS, some are not.

I wouldn't trust some minimum wage flunkie with my oil changes. I do those myself. Wix filter and Motorcraft oil for $30-35, 15 minutes of my time and it's done.

You'd have to be a retard to not pull over right away if you are overheating or have your oil light comes on.
 
2013-01-28 12:21:46 AM  
I have an Audi that has been very good to me. Take it in for service every 10k miles and do nothing in between other than check the tire pressure unless a light turns on (has happened once). Once the free maintenance was over I started taking it to a local VW mechanic who has done me right. 10 years 110k miles and going strong. The whole "change your oil every 3000 miles" is bunk. Audi tech I talked to said the oil would last 20k as long as you're not driving like an asshat but they recommend 10k to be conservative.
 
2013-01-28 12:23:13 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: [www.dailyinterweb.com image 500x375]

Ground effects and low profile tires can significantly increase your acceleration times and boost aerodynamics resulting in ~35hp improvement over stock bodies.


poor guy, if he hadn't wasted all that money on mods could have just bought a car that could do what he was trying to emulate.

www.autoweek.com
 
2013-01-28 12:23:44 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: [www.dailyinterweb.com image 500x375]

Ground effects and low profile tires can significantly increase your acceleration times and boost aerodynamics resulting in ~35hp improvement over stock bodies.


Looks like a lawn mower.
 
2013-01-28 12:24:48 AM  

gibbon1: KrispyKritter: Once had a '68 Chevy Malibu wagon shut down, overheated. Let it cool, had to add 5 QTS of oil and it ran just fine. They used to build the crap out of cars.

The big difference between your 68 Malibu and all modern cars is the the former has a cast iron cylinder head and the news one (if last 30 years is new) are all heat treated aluminum. The aluminum ones warp when the car overheats. The other difference is the cooling system on modern cars is pressurized, if you have a leak then the engine will pee out coolant and then over heat.


Cooling systems have been pressurized since cooling systems started using glycol and water.
 
2013-01-28 12:25:21 AM  

cyberspacedout: Sid_6.7: I'm willing to do work on my car when it is not something that might end up being a legal liability thing, like brakes.

Then there's also, you know, the huge safety issue. Wouldn't mess with mine no matter how much $ it meant saving.


Brakes are stupidly easy to fix. Changing the pads/rotors on a car for $200 is just stupid. You can get a pair of rotors for 25 and performance brakes for 90. Changing the pad/rotor takes very little time.
 
2013-01-28 12:26:07 AM  

OgreMagi:
3. Not changing the oil, or not having it changed on time

3000 mile oil changes only make sense with older cars. New models can go much longer between oil changes.


Probably why they said "on time" instead of every 3000 miles.

FTA: The old go-to rule for oil changes was to refresh every 3,000 miles. But most experts agree drivers should go by the schedule their car's manufacturer dictates instead.
"Frequent oil changes do not necessarily mean better performance or longer engine life," CalRecycle Director Caroll Mortensen told The Auto Channel.


8. Having unqualified shops service your vehicle

Because only the car dealership is qualified to work on your car. Trust us, no one else could possible know how to fix your car and we charge three times as much because of our expertise.


So your advice would be to take it to a service shop instead, just make sure they do quality work first? Pretty much what their advice is, since they did not differentiate between a service shop or dealership.

This list is already inane enough without your help. It's easy enough to pick apart without making them say things they haven't said.
 
2013-01-28 12:26:26 AM  

TommyymmoT: Sid_6.7: TommyymmoT: LarryDan43: Please don't youtube videos of car repair! You might discover how simple and inexpensive it is.

True, though make sure you watch videos from more than one source.
I've seen horrifically bad advice given in some YouTube DIY videos.

I'm willing to do work on my car when it is not something that might end up being a legal liability thing, like brakes.

Same here. Brakes are one of the few things I won't work on.


Brakes are easy. I've changed pads, calipers, and rotors several times and a master cylinder once. So long as you pay attention it's hard to screw up. My car needs a timing belt and water pump soon. That's something I'm wary of doing, mostly because I have an interference engine. I plan to buy a new DD come spring. So I can take my time if I decide to be overly cautious and need to have the car not running for a couple of days. Or I can just take the motorcycle, too.

Working on cars is a lot like working on computers. Do lots of research and jump right in. Although with cars it helps to be mechanically inclined.

/Just started restoring a 1965 Honda CA95. Gonna be fun.
//No, really. I love that kind of sfuff.
 
2013-01-28 12:29:17 AM  

gibbon1: TommyymmoT: Same here. Brakes are one of the few things I won't work on.

Dude brakes are one way to really save money. And usually not hard to do, disk brakes are easy peesie.


I just might delve into it the next time it comes up, but that's gonna be a while, because the car is fairly new.
I have a preposterous amount of bought/inherited tools.
Never once, have I regretted a tool purchase, because they pay for themselves over, and over.

Well, except for a lathe I bought at a garage sale, because I really don't know how to use one, but I still sold it for twice what I bought it for.
 
2013-01-28 12:31:30 AM  

Girion47: Brakes are stupidly easy to fix. Changing the pads/rotors on a car for $200 is just stupid.


Good thing my honest, locally owned garage in my town of about 3k people doesn't charge anywhere near $200 for brakes.

It's all about where you go.
 
2013-01-28 12:32:35 AM  

Pribar: UsikFark: Pribar:

[i135.photobucket.com image 533x400]

But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....

Okay, I don't remove wheels from cars, so I may be a little slow on this.. but is that the result of metal being removed from the brake disk, presumably because the brake pads wore out?

You could say that, a normal disc rotor looks like this:

[i135.photobucket.com image 400x266]

The one I originally linked had the shoes worn down to the steel core which ate through the rotor to the cooling vanes and actually caused it to separate from the hub. Not good turned a 99 buck brake job into a 1000 plus Odyssey


I've seen them wore down to the fins but not to the point of seperation. I guess it falls in line like when my brother's van started knocking from low oil he just turned the radio up.
 
2013-01-28 12:32:43 AM  
images.wikia.com

An aftermarket muffler can help increase the airflow of the exhaust valves and provide anywhere from 20 to 50hp improvements in torque.
 
2013-01-28 12:33:58 AM  

JVD: The check engine light was on in my dad's last truck for 200,000 miles.
Some errors are BS, some are not.


Maybe but if you live in a place where emission checks are done you probably can't pass with a lit CEL. The one in my '04 truck lights up intermittently. I bought a cheap OBDII scanner to find out it's a very small fuel vapor leak. Last time I had to take it for emissions I used the scanner to clear the codes, drove it enough to get all the measurements set again except the vapor, then ran it in quick for the test before it realized it was leaking vapor and relit the CEL.

If your CEL is flashing that's actual bad news. Only time I ever had that happen, I had an injector die and its cylinder was missing. Not much fun to drive a V6 that's only hitting on five
 
2013-01-28 12:34:07 AM  

Aidan: I had to check your profile because I could have sworn no one else dated my ex at that time... :P


Heh. One day I get a call from her. She was concerned because the submarine light lit up on the instrument cluster.
 
2013-01-28 12:38:13 AM  
Over the past 1.5 months, I've committed like half of those on a single series of problems. Car started acting up in early December, and CE light came on, then started blinking. Took it to my mechanic, who replaced my spark plugs but half-assed the job. When the problem came back, he then gave me some other bullshiat part which did nothing. So then I had my roommate (car salesman)'s mechanic look at it. He's not a Mazda guy, he's a high-end German cars guy, so while he had some thoughts, he didn't want to do anything too big that could fark my car.

So finally I took it to the dealer two weeks ago. My roommate helped by dropping the name of the head service guy for the parent company of both dealers, which got me a discount and a "No seriously, we won't fark you" promise. Original mechanic should've replaced the coils with the spark plugs, and there was other broken shiat also. Got it fixed, got it back.

Two days later the farking light comes back on. Take it back to the dealer, and it looks like the catalytic converter is shot. So $2000 spent on repairs and a rental (would've been more if I didn't have a coworker who could drive me to and from work basically on demand), and it still won't pass inspection unless I put another $1500 in it.
 
2013-01-28 12:39:34 AM  

thorthor: Also, liberal political stickers in my state will result in some tebagger keying your car every time. Yeah its that bad.


Works both ways. My neighbor had a Gadsden flag on his back window and had he car keyed and tires slashed more than once. Immaturity and lack of intelligence can be lacking on both sides of the isle.
 
2013-01-28 12:41:46 AM  
i.imgur.com
It could get wrecked...stolen...scratched...breathed on wrong...a pigeon could shiat on it! Who knows?
 
2013-01-28 12:52:01 AM  
My goodness. This is a list by speds, for speds.
 
2013-01-28 12:56:59 AM  

Jim_Callahan: So... "don't intentionally not fix things that you know to be broken or malfunctioning", basically.

Insightful. I would never have thought of that.


This. The article amounted to "don't ignore the idiot lights."
 
2013-01-28 12:59:01 AM  
toyota-supra.net

Upgrading to a 4-point racing seat can lighten a car by up to 20kg and increase red-line efficiency by up to 45%.
 
2013-01-28 12:59:49 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: Smeggy Smurf: Billy Bathsalt: I don't work on my high-tech car, I work on my low-tech truck

Older rigs FTW

Computer make is easy to troubleshoot harness problems and ensure your gas guzzler starts every time you turn the key.


No computer means no electronic bullshiat to try to figure out. It's all mechanical and electrical. Easy stuff to figure out. That electronic shiat isn't.

/ought to swap out the 350 for a diesel with a turbo
//one day...
 
2013-01-28 01:01:40 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: [www.dailyinterweb.com image 500x375]

Ground effects and low profile tires can significantly increase your acceleration times and boost aerodynamics resulting in ~35hp improvement over stock bodies.


Until you drive it on a public road and fukbliterate your hooptie.
 
2013-01-28 01:03:15 AM  

RminusQ: Over the past 1.5 months, I've committed like half of those on a single series of problems. Car started acting up in early December, and CE light came on, then started blinking. Took it to my mechanic, who replaced my spark plugs but half-assed the job. When the problem came back, he then gave me some other bullshiat part which did nothing. So then I had my roommate (car salesman)'s mechanic look at it. He's not a Mazda guy, he's a high-end German cars guy, so while he had some thoughts, he didn't want to do anything too big that could fark my car.

So finally I took it to the dealer two weeks ago. My roommate helped by dropping the name of the head service guy for the parent company of both dealers, which got me a discount and a "No seriously, we won't fark you" promise. Original mechanic should've replaced the coils with the spark plugs, and there was other broken shiat also. Got it fixed, got it back.

Two days later the farking light comes back on. Take it back to the dealer, and it looks like the catalytic converter is shot. So $2000 spent on repairs and a rental (would've been more if I didn't have a coworker who could drive me to and from work basically on demand), and it still won't pass inspection unless I put another $1500 in it.


Some states have a spending limit for the I/M test.  If you provide proof you've spent that amount and still can't pass you can be issued a waiver.  Check and see.  I think in Anchorage it was something like $700 until they stopped doing them.
 
2013-01-28 01:07:45 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: [toyota-supra.net image 497x303]

Upgrading to a 4-point racing seat can lighten a car by up to 20kg and increase red-line efficiency by up to 45%.


I'm not saying you're fat, because really, how would I know?
But it cracks me up when I hear fat people talk about how their car is more efficient, because it's lighter by 20kg.
 
2013-01-28 01:14:58 AM  
Yeah...because my Nissan "oil" light will come on around 8,000 miles...but the dealership would really prefer I would change it at 3,000, even though the factory setting say 3,700 at the least.
 
2013-01-28 01:29:15 AM  

King Something: For some reason, "driving through a wooden shed," "dropping a caravan on it," "setting it on fire" and "imploding a twelve-storey building directly beneath it" are absent from the list.


The article says "car." A Hilux is a minor deity.
 
2013-01-28 01:45:43 AM  

gibbon1: TommyymmoT: Same here. Brakes are one of the few things I won't work on.

Dude brakes are one way to really save money. And usually not hard to do, disk brakes are easy peesie.


agreed, brakes are crazy easy to work on. way easier in current models then they were in 30 year ago models
 
2013-01-28 01:50:03 AM  
www.3si.org

An unobtrusive Type R decal can add an extra 5bhp and improve the looks of your car.
 
2013-01-28 01:58:37 AM  

Vexed Thespian: The best example of the snowball effect of missed car repairs is the air filter. It costs about 20 bucks to replace, but if left alone, a dirty filter can bust oxygen (02) sensors in cars, which cost as much as $250 to replace. And when the sensor fails, you'll first see your gas mileage plunge, then possibly wind up with a $1,000 bill to replace your catalytic converter.

huh.... this might actually explain a few things with my car.... crap.

/wasn't sure if I was right when I thought my car went from 380 gallons a tank to 240... just told myself I must not have reset the odometer.

..csb


Question: Could this be wrong with my brand new Chrysler 200? I drove 3,300 miles across the country at 27 MPG, and then drove in the city at a dropping average going down from 23 to 17 MPG. The tiny little bit of city driving I did in MI was at 23 MPG.

/Some of it has to be the 35 MPH speed limits, and ubiquitous poorly-timed lights. I'm lucky to make 10 MPH here, whereas I could make an average of 25-30 on most side streets, and could roll at 48 on certain timed ones.
 
2013-01-28 02:10:00 AM  

RminusQ: pass inspection


Find a better state. One without inspections.

Or at that point, figure out what your annual repair budget is, and see if it's greater than the annual payment on a new car with a sweet warranty. $3.5K for a repair on a car that'll just break again in a few months gets you a fairly nice down payment on a new car, or pretty far into a meh used car. Personally, if you've got the money for payment and insurance, take out a longer term loan on a new car. My Chrysler 200 with the 7-year warranty is $400/month for 60 months. The nice used 70-year old car with 100,000 miles on it and no warranty was $400 a month for 36 months. Is getting an extra 80,000 miles maintenance-free out of a new car worth an extra $10K (Yes.)?

/Ah the joys of being driven to school in a 1982 Corolla with ripped seats that someone had bought for $800.
 
2013-01-28 02:21:23 AM  

meyerkev: The nice used 70-year old car with 100,000 miles on it and no warranty was $400 a month for 36 months.


It'll be a lot harder to find parts for as well.
 
2013-01-28 02:28:25 AM  

Spartan_Manhandler: meyerkev: The nice used 70-year old car with 100,000 miles on it and no warranty was $400 a month for 36 months.

It'll be a lot harder to find parts for as well.


7-year old. (Stupid typo).

I would also add that the used car was about 50-60% cheaper insurance-wise. I don't know what people over the age of 20 pay, but at this point, my insurance is almost as much as my car payment.
 
2013-01-28 02:46:00 AM  

Sid_6.7: Girion47: Brakes are stupidly easy to fix. Changing the pads/rotors on a car for $200 is just stupid.

Good thing my honest, locally owned garage in my town of about 3k people doesn't charge anywhere near $200 for brakes.

It's all about where you go.


It doesn't matter where you go - they still have to cover the cost of their mechanic's time and their overhead. The reason brakes are the best thing to do yourself is that they are not technically complicated, but do take a significant amount of time. Garages have to charge at least 30min in labor to accommodate possible problems like a frozen rotor, so you save a good chunk of money every time. Plus I don't have to worry about some guy forgetting to torque down my lug nuts because he just found out before his shift that his wife wants a divorce. Yes, carelessness happens even at the best shops.

Also, DIY saves you time once you get in the habit. I keep a few oil filters, about 3gal of oil, spare rotors, brake bads, air filter, etc on the shelf in the garage. An oil change takes me roughly 10min - I don't need to use jackstands since I can raise the car about 6" and only have my arm under it. It would take longer to drive to Jiffy Lube.
 
2013-01-28 03:03:41 AM  

Girion47: cyberspacedout: Sid_6.7: I'm willing to do work on my car when it is not something that might end up being a legal liability thing, like brakes.

Then there's also, you know, the huge safety issue. Wouldn't mess with mine no matter how much $ it meant saving.

Brakes are stupidly easy to fix. Changing the pads/rotors on a car for $200 is just stupid. You can get a pair of rotors for 25 and performance brakes for 90. Changing the pad/rotor takes very little time.


Or, instead of saving $85 and blowing an hour of my weekend, I can have the dealership pick me up and give me a loaner car, go play golf, have the dealer drop off my car, pay $200 and not worry about violating the terms of my warranty. Also, if I screw up the work, I have no recourse
 
2013-01-28 03:15:32 AM  

Smeggy Smurf: No computer means no electronic bullshiat to try to figure out. It's all mechanical and electrical. Easy stuff to figure out. That electronic shiat isn't.


Q: Try and figure out why your farking vacuum advance isn't working correctly some of the time.
A: The POS rebuilt carb has exactly the same farking leak as the old one.

Q: Why does the truck occasionally wheeze, stall and die, then start right back up ten minutes later?
A: The float bowl is warped, and sometime sucks air.
 
2013-01-28 03:28:11 AM  

OgreMagi: Ikam: JohnAnnArbor: WhippingBoy: SpdrJay: What about those stupid Jesus fish?

Worse than that are those stupid stick-figure decals that show every member of your family, including your pets.

Why don't people just get a bumper-sticker that says "The Douchebag Family"?

I saw a zombie one recently. That was almost tolerable.

I want one with just a guy (me) and a long string of disposable sluts.

/and my cats


"My neighbors have stick family decals. I bought an extra sticker and they haven't noticed yet."

uberhumor.com

/seems like it could be rather amusing
 
2013-01-28 03:32:40 AM  

mike_the_engineer: 1. Putting off recommended / scheduled maintenance
Recommended by who? Jiffy Lube? Check your owners manual for the actual schedule, because the schedule you're being quoted usually a lie.

2. Ignoring the "check engine" light
This study was published by a company that sells OBDII scanners.

3. Not changing the oil, or not having it changed on time
Most people change it way too often. The 3,000 mile rule is outdated. Modern oils can go nearly 10,000 miles.

4. Not checking tire pressure
Unless it's visibly under inflated, the only drawback is lower gas mileage.

5. Neglecting coolant, brake, transmission and other fluid services
Most people change these far too often. Don't believe what the Jiffy Lube guys tells you. Check your owners manual to see the real maintenance schedule. Brake fluid will last the life of the car, and even antifreeze will last >100k miles these days.

6. Continuing to drive when the vehicle is overheating
7. Not changing fuel and air filters
I'll give them these two.

8. Having unqualified shops service your vehicle
And how would you know that, exactly? Some of the shoddiest work I've ever seen has been from dealerships, and they're supposedly the most qualified. This is a total crap shoot.

9. Using generic aftermarket parts instead of original equipment manufacturer (OEM)-quality parts
False. Aftermarket parts are usually far superior to the overpriced OEM parts.

10. Trying to service your own high-tech vehicle
FACT: High-tech cars are MUCH easier to work on than older cars because they diagnose themselves! You just plug in the OBDII scanner and the car will tell you exactly what's wrong with it. What this really means is that the author is uncomfortable working on his own car, which means he's not qualified to write this article in the first place.

figured this ex-auto mechanic should chime in.

1. correct. ignoring when to change a timing belt, for example, and having it fail on you could pretty much destroy and engine.

2. the check engine light comes on when a malfunction increases base emissions by a certain threshold, 50% if i remember right. that light can come on even if the code is something transmission/drivetrain related. if it starts flashing at you, you're doing damage, stop driving it ASAP. in any case, a check engine light could mean you're wasting gas and money, get it checked out.

3. half right, follow the manufacture's schedule in the owners manual. doing it early never hurts either as long as the waste oil gets recycled.

4. you forgot reduced traction and increased tire wear. check the owner's manual and door sticker for proper tire inflation although that specification only really applies to factory tires. different brand/style tires can have different properties which will mess with the right air pressure to get the most out of them.

5. half right. going by the owners manual is a good idea but standard DOT 3 brake fluid absorbs water, even out of the air, which will first corrode the copper lining of brake lines turning the fluid green, later it'll start turning brown from rust. thus, it should be flushed and changed periodically. DOT 5 brake fluid is silicone based and doesn't absorb water. again, refer to the owners manual for the right brake fluid, not a good idea to intermix. as a side note, a lot of manufacturers are using their own formulation of coolant that don't like to intermix. don't add old green coolant to a new car.

6 and 7. yup, prolonged operation of an overheating engine is a bad thing. periodic air filter changes are a good thing, don't forget your cabin air filter. fuel filters can be expensive depending on where they are. quite a few of them are mounted in the tank with the fuel pump. luckily, in tank filters usually last a long time.

8. most dealership techs are on salary plus commission, meaning they get paid more to crank out jobs as fast as they can. that doesn't necessarily mean they'll do a bad job though. having the village idiot try to fix your car is never a good idea though. if there's a mechanic doing bad work and getting comebacks, he won't be a mechanic for long. also, it never hurts to shop around to find a garage you can trust and can give you a better deal as long as your safety isn't compromised in that deal. you're fully within your rights to ask a mechanic to show you the problem and explain it.

9. yes and no. OEM are usually more expensive but aftermarket parts can have inferior machining/fit/function to those OEM parts. couldn't tell you how many brand new aftermarket starters and alternators i've pulled out of the box and didn't work. use what's available and shoot for middle of the road price wise when you can.

10. you're way off. a scanner only tells you the trouble code which is a broad definition of possibilities within that particular system. the root cause of that code has to be determined by following diagnostic steps that may include specialized equipment which most folks aren't going to go out and buy or have laying around.
 
2013-01-28 03:47:27 AM  
I didn't see "don't drive through a three-foot high puddle of water" So I guess we're good to go
 
2013-01-28 03:47:27 AM  
So basically, spend money, and spend it often, whether your car needs it or not, and only on expensive parts installed by dealership servicemen.

Was this article written by the goddamn auto industry? Fark off. I'm not paying for preventative maintenance while my car is under warranty. If anything goes wrong, the first thing I'm going to do is see if I can access it, get it off, and swap in a part from Carquest. If that doesn't work, I'm going to a licensed professional, but it damn sure isn't going to be a dealer.
 
2013-01-28 04:02:05 AM  

TommyymmoT: Sid_6.7: TommyymmoT: LarryDan43: Please don't youtube videos of car repair! You might discover how simple and inexpensive it is.

True, though make sure you watch videos from more than one source.
I've seen horrifically bad advice given in some YouTube DIY videos.

I'm willing to do work on my car when it is not something that might end up being a legal liability thing, like brakes.

Same here. Brakes are one of the few things I won't work on.


That's a shame. Brake work is probably the easiest thing on a car. It's the first thing I ever got into. It's practically idiot proof. Just unscrew stuff until you get to the part you want to replace, put the new one on, and put things back in the reverse order. Everything is modular. The only tricky thing is making sure you don't leave the caliper dangling by the fluid hose.
 
2013-01-28 04:08:49 AM  

Tommy Moo: So basically, spend money, and spend it often, whether your car needs it or not, and only on expensive parts installed by dealership servicemen.

Was this article written by the goddamn auto industry? Fark off. I'm not paying for preventative maintenance while my car is under warranty. If anything goes wrong, the first thing I'm going to do is see if I can access it, get it off, and swap in a part from Carquest. If that doesn't work, I'm going to a licensed professional, but it damn sure isn't going to be a dealer.


An excellent way to void the warranty in a lot of cases
 
2013-01-28 04:25:23 AM  

Tommy Moo: TommyymmoT: Sid_6.7: TommyymmoT: LarryDan43: Please don't youtube videos of car repair! You might discover how simple and inexpensive it is.

True, though make sure you watch videos from more than one source.
I've seen horrifically bad advice given in some YouTube DIY videos.

I'm willing to do work on my car when it is not something that might end up being a legal liability thing, like brakes.

Same here. Brakes are one of the few things I won't work on.

That's a shame. Brake work is probably the easiest thing on a car. It's the first thing I ever got into. It's practically idiot proof. Just unscrew stuff until you get to the part you want to replace, put the new one on, and put things back in the reverse order. Everything is modular. The only tricky thing is making sure you don't leave the caliper dangling by the fluid hose.


yeah, brake work is easy but if someone screws it up, it can be pretty dangerous and/or destructive. rule of thumb is, if you're unsure of what you're doing, find someone who knows what they're doing.
 
2013-01-28 04:37:16 AM  

WhippingBoy: SpdrJay: What about those stupid Jesus fish?

Worse than that are those stupid stick-figure decals that show every member of your family, including your pets.

Why don't people just get a bumper-sticker that says "The Douchebag Family"?


Worse than both of those are knockoff cartoon characters urinating or praying before a cross, and worst of all is a memorial commemorating a dead loved one in the form of a vinyl sticker. What are you to do when you sell the car, just ball up Grandma's precious memorial and toss it?
 
2013-01-28 04:41:36 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Tommy Moo: So basically, spend money, and spend it often, whether your car needs it or not, and only on expensive parts installed by dealership servicemen.

Was this article written by the goddamn auto industry? Fark off. I'm not paying for preventative maintenance while my car is under warranty. If anything goes wrong, the first thing I'm going to do is see if I can access it, get it off, and swap in a part from Carquest. If that doesn't work, I'm going to a licensed professional, but it damn sure isn't going to be a dealer.

An excellent way to void the warranty in a lot of cases


Well if it's under warranty, the dealership will fix it for free. And when the warranty expires, there's nothing to lose. Either way, I'm never paying money to have my car fixed at a dealership.
 
2013-01-28 05:13:29 AM  
11. Have a garage. Really helps when you need to do maintenance on your car in the middle of winter. I feel for the apartment dwellers in places that don't even allow you to raise your hood on the property.

12. The internet is good, but an actual manual is better.

13. Changing a timing belt on a front wheel drive is a biatch (though you can save yourself several hundred dollars). Buy something with a chain.
 
2013-01-28 06:08:51 AM  
Is this where I complain about the need for OEM downloadable software and a USB connection to diagnose idiot lights?
Example: 2005 silverado. Removed stock air cleaner hose and replaced 4 inch aluminum tubing. Also removed rubber deflector behind right headlight, and cut four 7/8" holes in front of the air box. I created a ram air system. Mileage went up to 19 mpg city, 23 highway. No sound baffling. Bad thing p101 check engine light thrown in colder weather, due to higher air flow threw the MAS. Which the computer sees as a lean fuel mixture. Causing the thrown code. Or service air bag warning light, because the pressure sensor in the seat becomes unplugged.
 
2013-01-28 06:28:17 AM  
In summary: Think of the poor service technicians!

Is this supposed to be a counter to that oil change story from the other day?
 
2013-01-28 06:31:15 AM  

King Something: For some reason, "driving through a wooden shed," "dropping a caravan on it," "setting it on fire" and "imploding a twelve-storey building directly beneath it" are absent from the list.


It's a generic list. Suppose you DO have a Hi-Lux, in which case you can do all of the above.

My take-home lesson from this article was,

The 10 Worst Things You Can Do To Your Vehicle:
1. Fail to throw money at it.
2. Fail to throw money at it.
3. Fail to throw money at it.
4. Fail to throw money at it.
5. Fail to throw money at it.
6. Fail to throw money at it.
7. Fail to throw money at it.
8. Fail to throw money at it.
9. Fail to throw money at it.
10. Fail to throw money at it.
 
2013-01-28 07:19:03 AM  
Where I live, if the "check engine" (officially called the Malfunction Indicator Light) is on, you automatically fail inspection.

Under federal law, manufactures are allowed to use the MIL for only for emissions related faults, not for routine reminders or other non-emissions related issues.

I bought a $20 OBDII code scanner from Amazon. If the MIL turns on, I can pull the codes and know if its a loose gas cap or something more serious. I can also use it to check to see if the car will pass inspection before I actually go get inspected.
 
2013-01-28 07:35:22 AM  
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2013-01-28 07:44:18 AM  
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2013-01-28 07:48:55 AM  
It's hard to know what to think. A lot of people will have a dog in this fight. Therefore almost anyone piping up is, at best, biased. Then you go to a bunch of "experts" on any issue and get opinions from 30 year mechanics...all of whom are blithering retards, of course. I think I'll find someone who has the same years experience as you, and who does NOT spell "analysis" a-n-n-a-l-i-s.

So, I will report all I know factually regarding a couple of things.

1. My owners manual says to change the oil every 7k (or maybe it was 7.5k) or every 10 months. I remember the 10 months part because it seemed a curious interval.

2. My old Mercedes shop doesn't do transmission fluid/filter/yada on the rationale that mucking around with it INCREASES the probability that it will cause problems.
 
2013-01-28 07:55:02 AM  

WhippingBoy: Worse than that are those stupid stick-figure decals that show every member of your family, including your pets.

Why don't people just get a bumper-sticker that says "The Douchebag Family"?


Because that is reserved for the type of people who would want to put stick figure decals that show ever member of their family except their pets.
 
2013-01-28 08:04:32 AM  
Went to Jiffy Lube to have tires rotated and front end greased on my GMC pickup:

Me: How many grease fittings did you lube?

Jiffy Lube "Technician": 8

Me: There are 11

Jiffy Lube "Technician": I know.

Me: Why didn't do the other 3?

Jiffy Lube "Technician": I could not reach them.

Me: All you have to do is remove two bolt on the skid pan and you can reach them.

Jiffy Lube "Technician": I know, but we are not allowed to do mechanical work on customers vehicles.

Me: You just rotated my tires! That's 8 lug nuts on 4 tires!

Jiffy Lube "Technician": *shruggs*
 
2013-01-28 08:15:36 AM  

Pribar: UsikFark: Pribar:

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But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....

Okay, I don't remove wheels from cars, so I may be a little slow on this.. but is that the result of metal being removed from the brake disk, presumably because the brake pads wore out?

You could say that, a normal disc rotor looks like this:

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The one I originally linked had the shoes worn down to the steel core which ate through the rotor to the cooling vanes and actually caused it to separate from the hub. Not good turned a 99 buck brake job into a 1000 plus Odyssey


I've witnessed that before also, use to work in a auto shop when I was younger, the crap you see people do to their cars just makes you shake your head.
 
2013-01-28 08:19:14 AM  
You don't have to be high tech to plug in code reader. It will tell you the problem. Unless it's an airbag issue, you can probably do it yourself. It's not rocket surgery.
 
2013-01-28 08:27:18 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Tommy Moo: So basically, spend money, and spend it often, whether your car needs it or not, and only on expensive parts installed by dealership servicemen.

Was this article written by the goddamn auto industry? Fark off. I'm not paying for preventative maintenance while my car is under warranty. If anything goes wrong, the first thing I'm going to do is see if I can access it, get it off, and swap in a part from Carquest. If that doesn't work, I'm going to a licensed professional, but it damn sure isn't going to be a dealer.

An excellent way to void the warranty in a lot of cases


A dealership not honoring a warranty is illegal. The most they can do is refuse to fix an issue caused by aftermarket parts. Anything not related to a failure caused by that, is still covered.
 
2013-01-28 08:41:54 AM  

wildlifer: Is this where I complain about the need for OEM downloadable software and a USB connection to diagnose idiot lights?



If you have a smartphone, Torque is free in the app store. You just need to grab one of the bluetooth dongles for the vehicle off ebay, and you're all set. I think it was 20-25 bucks when i got it
 
2013-01-28 08:46:07 AM  

wildlifer: Is this where I complain about the need for OEM downloadable software and a USB connection to diagnose idiot lights?
Example: 2005 silverado. Removed stock air cleaner hose and replaced 4 inch aluminum tubing. Also removed rubber deflector behind right headlight, and cut four 7/8" holes in front of the air box. I created a ram air system. Mileage went up to 19 mpg city, 23 highway. No sound baffling. Bad thing p101 check engine light thrown in colder weather, due to higher air flow threw the MAS. Which the computer sees as a lean fuel mixture. Causing the thrown code. Or service air bag warning light, because the pressure sensor in the seat becomes unplugged.


Autozone, Advanced Auto Parts, etc..., they'll scan it for free..
 
2013-01-28 08:57:02 AM  
The problem is ignoring maintenance, it's not ignoring it enough....

Their example:
The best example of the snowball effect of missed car repairs is the air filter. It costs about 20 bucks to replace, but if left alone, a dirty filter can bust oxygen (02) sensors in cars, which cost as much as $250 to replace. And when the sensor fails, you'll first see your gas mileage plunge, then possibly wind up with a $1,000 bill to replace your catalytic converter.

Do you need a catalytic converter for your car to run? Nope. Keep on ignoring it.
 
2013-01-28 09:06:31 AM  

badhatharry: You don't have to be high tech to plug in code reader. It will tell you the problem. Unless it's an airbag issue, you can probably do it yourself. It's not rocket surgery.


Many bigger chain parts stores will check it for free.

I don't trust conventional oil with the new longer time between oil changes, so I did a motor flush and replaced with full synthetic. The wife wasn't happy with the price, but it is cheaper when you can change your oil only twice a year.

Just bought a used Ford Expedition and, of course, have a couple issues. First the catalytic converters are missing and a straight pipe was put in their place. The life in a scrap crime riddled city. It's okay, with how much I talked the dealer down, I still come out okay after having that fixed right. Second, I did my first oil change right after buying and discovered the idiot that welded in the pipes must have changed the oil too. The truck has a F-150 v-8 and therefore takes a fat filter. The filter last put on was smaller than what I put on the Ranger.

I have a friend who owns his own oil change business and only once had he messed up someone's car. The woman called him and he told don't drive it, he will send a tow truck right away. She drove it anyway and so he ended up putting a new engine in her hoopty. He was worried at first, but they have insurance for that exact thing and it did not change his premiums. The businesses that fight people about their own mistake, tells me they do this way too often and caused their business insurance to be high. His business is a little different for they encourage the customers to go inside and enjoy free coffee while the oil is given time to actually drain from the car unlike the ones that keep you in the car and shocking the oil change is done in less than ten minutes. It's almost a charity situation since he doesn't turn a profit, but it does keep his son from being unemployed, but if people realize that guys like him will make sure that only once had he damaged a car out of thousands that may change. For the life of me I don't recall the name of the place, but it is in Port Huron.
 
2013-01-28 09:08:14 AM  

JacksonBryan: 8 and 10 can kiss my arse.  Call me old school or out of touch but I still service both of our cars (2011 and 1999).  With the exception of a  CVT transmission rebuild or a full engine rebuild on the newer cars, everything is doable.  The hell with the stealerships.


A big helping of this. Go to autozone, get yourself a basic set of sockets, box wrenches and some ramps and learn to do the shiat for yourself. Buy the Haynes/Chilton's manual for your car and use the internet; you'll be able to find videos and write-ups for anything you want to do.

Things I've learned to do since living on my own with no formal mechanic training:

change oil/oil filter
change brakepads and assemblies
change fuel filter
change spark plugs
remove/replace alternator and water pump
swap out headers/exhaust manifold
swap out entire exhaust system
rebuild rear differential with new ring/pinion gears.

For those saying your time is more valuable than that, I would ask what exactly you intend on spending all that precious saved time on; sitting around watching American Idol previews?

The only things I would be nervous about would be full blown engine and transmission teardown/rebuilds, but not because I wouldn't be able to do it, but because all this has been done on my daily driver and those are jobs that you can't do in an evening or over a long weekend comfortably if it is your first time.
 
2013-01-28 09:11:21 AM  

Pribar: Not good turned a 99 buck brake job into a 1000 plus Odyssey


Considering that the rotor, caliper and pads can be replaced for less than $100 (one wheel), you were robbed and need to find a different mechanic.
 
2013-01-28 09:17:03 AM  

fusillade762: I was expecting stuff like "Driving it into a lake" or "Running over endangered animals".


Really now. I was hoping for: Let Richard Hammond and James May use it as a reusable space shuttle.
 
2013-01-28 09:19:49 AM  

lack of warmth: Just bought a used Ford Expedition and, of course, have a couple issues. First the catalytic converters are missing and a straight pipe was put in their place. The life in a scrap crime riddled city. It's okay, with how much I talked the dealer down, I still come out okay after having that fixed right. Second, I did my first oil change right after buying and discovered the idiot that welded in the pipes must have changed the oil too. The truck has a F-150 v-8 and therefore takes a fat filter. The filter last put on was smaller than what I put on the Ranger.


I'm surprised they even sold it to you with no cats. Here in Maryland the car has to pass inspection because you can ever drive it off the lot.

And I feel your pain with having to deal with previous idiot owner issues. When I bought my Mustang I noticed I was getting a lot of road noise coming up through the shifter assembly. I opened up the center console and found that when the previous moron had installed a new shifter they didn't bother to reseat the rubber shifter boot. The best part was that the farking thing was actually in place upside down even though there is a farking arrow on the side pointing down the the words "This Side Down" printed next to it. Also found out that they had replaced the rear speakers at some point but couldn't be bothered to properly remove the trim panels so one of the tabs is deformed and will never seat properly again.
 
2013-01-28 09:26:42 AM  

spickus: Pribar: Not good turned a 99 buck brake job into a 1000 plus Odyssey

Considering that the rotor, caliper and pads can be replaced for less than $100 (one wheel), you were robbed and need to find a different mechanic.


Not on a Ford Excursion, they can't....and ford kindly undersized the rotor so if you grind it even slightly, you loose enoungh mass that it can't efficiently serve as a heat sink, and starts to warp... so, new rotors.  TaaDaa!
 
2013-01-28 09:37:10 AM  

DesertZephyr: spickus: Pribar: Not good turned a 99 buck brake job into a 1000 plus Odyssey

Considering that the rotor, caliper and pads can be replaced for less than $100 (one wheel), you were robbed and need to find a different mechanic.

Not on a Ford Excursion, they can't....and ford kindly undersized the rotor so if you grind it even slightly, you loose enoungh mass that it can't efficiently serve as a heat sink, and starts to warp... so, new rotors.  TaaDaa!


You're right, the rotors are ridiculously high ($100 vs $25) but did you destroy all 4 rotors and calipers?
 
2013-01-28 09:41:08 AM  

StrangeQ: lack of warmth: Just bought a used Ford Expedition and, of course, have a couple issues. First the catalytic converters are missing and a straight pipe was put in their place. The life in a scrap crime riddled city. It's okay, with how much I talked the dealer down, I still come out okay after having that fixed right. Second, I did my first oil change right after buying and discovered the idiot that welded in the pipes must have changed the oil too. The truck has a F-150 v-8 and therefore takes a fat filter. The filter last put on was smaller than what I put on the Ranger.

I'm surprised they even sold it to you with no cats. Here in Maryland the car has to pass inspection because you can ever drive it off the lot.

And I feel your pain with having to deal with previous idiot owner issues. When I bought my Mustang I noticed I was getting a lot of road noise coming up through the shifter assembly. I opened up the center console and found that when the previous moron had installed a new shifter they didn't bother to reseat the rubber shifter boot. The best part was that the farking thing was actually in place upside down even though there is a farking arrow on the side pointing down the the words "This Side Down" printed next to it. Also found out that they had replaced the rear speakers at some point but couldn't be bothered to properly remove the trim panels so one of the tabs is deformed and will never seat properly again.


MI doesn't have inspection laws. My dad gave me his Ranger because NC does and all the mechanics he knew couldn't fix the engine light nor could he sell it. I fixed it in two weeks by putting in gas treatment. Quite funny really, the code was telling them the #5 plug was misfiring. It turned out being a fouled injector. The truck has all new plugs, wires and everything else electrical checked out. I considered the injectors and went with the cheap 'clean them first plan' and it worked. I waited a month before I told him.
 
2013-01-28 10:11:31 AM  

FizixJunkee: "Ikam: JohnAnnArbor: WhippingBoy: SpdrJay: What about those stupid Jesus fish?

Worse than that are those stupid stick-figure decals that show every member of your family, including your pets.

Why don't people just get a bumper-sticker that says "The Douchebag Family"?

I saw a zombie one recently. That was almost tolerable.

www.wickedfunnypictures.com

This one is the most annoying one I've seen yet."



Especially considering who's probably making the payments on that nice, new SUV full of kids he's never allowed to see.
 
2013-01-28 10:23:52 AM  
Yes, nowadays the oil lasts more than 3,000 miles, but you need to get a good filter. Filters have a point where they gather too much crud and bypass the filter media. Also if you use full synthetic oil, get a full synthetic filter.

And don't use Fram.
 
2013-01-28 10:44:19 AM  
9. Using generic aftermarket parts instead of original equipment manufacturer (OEM)-quality parts

A load of crap. Many aftermarket parts are equal to or superior to OEM parts. A better item they failed to include would be

9. Change your radiator coolant per manufacturere's recommendations.
 
2013-01-28 10:45:26 AM  

wambu: 9. Using generic aftermarket parts instead of original equipment manufacturer (OEM)-quality parts

A load of crap. Many aftermarket parts are equal to or superior to OEM parts. A better item they failed to include would be

9. Change your radiator coolant per manufacturere's recommendations.


Sorry, they buried that with some others to get the items down to a list of 10.
 
2013-01-28 11:36:55 AM  
If you have those wireless tire pressure sensor/valve thingies, do not use any kind of Fix-A-Flat in your tires. It will make those very expensive items non-functional ($130+/ea. for a Yaris).
 
2013-01-28 12:07:10 PM  
My favorite CSB about car maintenance.

I was dating a girl who had a friend who had car problems. So she asked me to drive around with her friend and see if I could figure out what was going on.

My dad had owned his own car repair shop, but I was a computer nerd (and my parents divorced when I was four), so I only knew a little about how cars worked. I wasn't sure I'd be able to help, but I went along anyway.

The girl told me her family had bad luck with cars, even when buying new. Supposedly they didn't have a car last more than (I think -it's been a while here) 30,000 miles. -Even a Toyota and a Honda.

So we drive around the block and the car starts smoking, and then it starts smoking *really bad*. I have her pull into a service station and look the car over. The engine was overheating. I asked her the last time she had changed her oil... she couldn't tell me, but she said something to the effect of her dad had figured the whole changing your oil every 3000 miles was a scam and that car repair shops were out to get you.

I checked her oil... The dipstick came out with no oil on it. I cleaned it and put it in again, making sure to put it all the way in this time... a little bit of burnt black, sticky oil came out.

I was dumbfounded. I had never seen a car essentially run without oil. -She had burned almost all of it off. I told her she needed oil to run the car, she wasn't sure and wanted to talk to her dad... Luckily he didn't pick up his phone. I went inside and bought a quart of oil. I put it in, and had her start the car... surprise, it quit smoking!

She hugged me as tight as she could... I think she even started crying.

Now, what was interesting here is that her family had grown up in New York City I believe, and none of them had ever actually had to have a car. In Tennessee they needed one, so for the first time bought one. Her dad (I guess) didn't want to seem like a guy who knew nothing about cars, so he just assumed all auto repair shops were crooks and listened to some poor advice about the changing your oil every 3000 miles thing was unnecessary. (Yes, I know it's not always necessary to do it that often, but for The general population, it's a good rule of thumb in case they are running the car into the ground).

What kills me is that they destroyed several cars this way and still didn't listen to any mechanics.

/end CSB
 
2013-01-28 12:13:36 PM  

Spartan_Manhandler: King Something: For some reason, "driving through a wooden shed," "dropping a caravan on it," "setting it on fire" and "imploding a twelve-storey building directly beneath it" are absent from the list.

The article says "car." A Hilux is a minor deity.

I remember watching some documentry or youtube video about couple guys who literally blew up a hilux with explosives, submerged it on the sea during high tide and drop another car on it and the truck still turned on and drove afterward?

I know a lot of guerilla fighters/terrorist/etc who uses toyota pickups (AKA technicals) to mount AAA batteries, cannons and other weapons on the truck bed going through basically unpaven roads and beating the hell out of the truck.
 
2013-01-28 12:14:40 PM  
Judging by the length and vehemence of this discussion thread - bravo, subby, bravo.

A masterpiece of meta-trolling.
 
2013-01-28 12:19:33 PM  
As a guy who replaced nearly all of the suspension components in his rig last night installing a suspension lift, I'm getting a kick out of this thread.

I start thinking about buying oil and a filter when I hit 3000 miles. At around 4000 I start getting serious about it, and by the time I reach 5000 it's done. The only reason I do it that early is because I use my rig as a weekend warrior on the trails. I'm much more concerned about the fluids in the diffs, transfer case, transmission, and generally anything that might go underwater from time to time.
 
2013-01-28 12:47:01 PM  

spickus: Pribar: Not good turned a 99 buck brake job into a 1000 plus Odyssey

Considering that the rotor, caliper and pads can be replaced for less than $100 (one wheel), you were robbed and need to find a different mechanic.


It wasn't mine, got the pic from a friend that owned the garage, the 1000 bucks wasn't the brakes it was the front end damage caused when the brakes failed and the lady ran off the road and hit a culvert.
 
2013-01-28 12:54:48 PM  
So, translating this list:

1. Not taking your car to a dealership who will demand that you bend over and grease up.
2. Not taking your car to a dealership who will demand that you bend over and grease up.
3. Not taking your car to a dealership who will demand that you bend over and grease up.
4. Not taking your car to a dealership who will demand that you bend over and grease up.
5. Not taking your car to a dealership who will demand that you bend over and grease up.
6. Not taking your car to a dealership who will demand that you bend over and grease up.
7. Not taking your car to a dealership who will demand that you bend over and grease up.
8. Not taking your car to a dealership who will demand that you bend over and grease up.
9. Not taking your car to a dealership who will demand that you bend over and grease up.
10. Not taking your car to a dealership who will demand that you bend over and grease up.


Got it.
 
2013-01-28 01:25:28 PM  
Where's "Let Lindsay Lohan borrow it"? Feh.
 
2013-01-28 01:38:06 PM  

Sid_6.7: Those are definitely not the worst things.

I can think of:

-Allow random strangers to joy ride
-Donate to a school carnival fundraiser as a "whack with a sledgehammer for a dollar" car
-Douse seats with gasoline and light on fire
-Drive into lava flow from volcano
-Park anywhere in Detroit
-Loan to college students fresh from a kegger on a Saturday night at 3 a.m.

Etc., etc.

Slightly dramatic in our headline, are we?


Allow plumber boyfriend to store welding equipment inside.
 
2013-01-28 02:08:54 PM  

HiFiGuy: Where's "Let Lindsay Lohan borrow it"? Feh.


It's at least two points ahead of "If the noise goes away, that means the car has repaired itself."
 
2013-01-28 02:34:35 PM  

jonohull: Fram


what's wrong with Fram?
I usually pay more for a Bosch, but I've used plenty of Fram filters before.
 
2013-01-28 02:54:43 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: I remember watching some documentry or youtube video about couple guys who literally blew up a hilux with explosives, submerged it on the sea during high tide and drop another car on it and the truck still turned on and drove afterward?


Yes, it's literally what many of us were referring to. If you want to see the three parts again, youtube search for "top gear hilux".
 
2013-01-28 03:01:55 PM  

vonzales: jonohull: Fram

what's wrong with Fram?
I usually pay more for a Bosch, but I've used plenty of Fram filters before.


Some years back, Fram oil filters were known for cheap internal construction using cardboard and no shunt valve should the filter get clogged. Don't know if this has changed since.

There was an electrical engineer who had a Fram filter collapse internally and toast the motor in his Jeep. He went out and bought around 20 different off-the-shelf oil filters, cut away a section of each with a bandsaw, and posted pics on the web showing the the differences in construction. This caused quite a stir at the time, especially on motorcycle forums.

Even before this, I had been using Hastings filters from the local auto parts store. The first time I went there for a filter, I said I wanted a Fram #xxxx. They said "No, you don't." and sold me the equivalent Hastings. Later on, they had a display that showed the difference.
 
2013-01-28 03:25:27 PM  

Archimedes' Principal: Yeah, I get all my great car advice from Yahoo.

/ And my financial advice from my local Indian casino.


You bet big on black. It good bet. Also make us rich.
 
2013-01-28 03:27:44 PM  

Pribar: [i135.photobucket.com image 533x400]


But it stopped squealing so I thought the problem had went away....


*looks at pict*
Oh it's a gear from a manual gear box...wait...ohh sweet jesus, that's a brake rotor!?!?
 
2013-01-28 03:31:04 PM  

Girion47: List fails with "Put a downpipe on it without a tune

or "put a hoodscoop on a vehicle without an intercooler"

"use Mobil 1"

"Race your shiatbox civic against grown-up cars"

"stretch tires onto rims"

"use NOS"


I approve of this message.
 
2013-01-28 03:37:11 PM  

SevenizGud: It's hard to know what to think. A lot of people will have a dog in this fight. Therefore almost anyone piping up is, at best, biased. Then you go to a bunch of "experts" on any issue and get opinions from 30 year mechanics...all of whom are blithering retards, of course. I think I'll find someone who has the same years experience as you, and who does NOT spell "analysis" a-n-n-a-l-i-s.

So, I will report all I know factually regarding a couple of things.

1. My owners manual says to change the oil every 7k (or maybe it was 7.5k) or every 10 months. I remember the 10 months part because it seemed a curious interval.

2. My old Mercedes shop doesn't do transmission fluid/filter/yada on the rationale that mucking around with it INCREASES the probability that it will cause problems.



The owner's manual is not an oracle. It's a good starting point. If you care, the very best thing you can do is send used oil in to a lab for analysis a few times. It costs around $25 and will tell you whether you're changing oil too often, etc. In the Army, there's no such thing as a routine oil change. You send a sample of oil in from each vehicle periodically, and they let you know which vehicles need an oil change.

On a healthy transmission, you definitely want to do transmission fluid and filter changes by the manufacturer guidelines. The reason mechanics don't like doing it on high mileage vehicles, is that if the transmission has been neglected, the fluid change can result in a costly overhaul. It's hard for them to explain why you came in for a routine service with the car running fine, and now you need $800 in labor. But refusing to do transmission maintenance on a healthy vehicle is flat-out incompetence.

My last car was an '86 Camry which I got rid of in '06 with 300,000 miles on it - because it didn't pass emissions. Best way to get to super high mileages are:

1. Routine oil changes.
2. Cooling system routine maintenance.
3. Transmission routine maintenance.
 
2013-01-28 04:01:49 PM  

JacksonBryan: With the exception of a  CVT rebuild or a full engine rebuild on the newer cars, everything is doable.  The hell with the stealerships.


What kind of Nissan Murano do you have?
 
2013-01-28 04:09:50 PM  

meyerkev: Find a better state. One without inspections.

Or at that point, figure out what your annual repair budget is, and see if it's greater than the annual payment on a new car with a sweet warranty. $3.5K for a repair on a car that'll just break again in a few months gets you a fairly nice down payment on a new car, or pretty far into a meh used car. Personally, if you've got the money for payment and insurance, take out a longer term loan on a new car.


I'm living where I'm living. I'm not moving anytime soon nor would I want to.

And no shiat. But having had this jump out at me unexpectedly, I couldn't exactly just buy a new car right then because that'd be dumb as shiat without putting thought and research into it, and I couldn't not repair it because I need a car to get to and from work and other places. I'm not expecting this car to last forever (it's a 2003 with a shiat-ton of miles on it), but I would much rather buy a new one at leisure rather than in a panic. At this point, my plan is to keep it for 3-6 months while deciding on a new/used car. The insurance will be a biatch if I get a new car, because I've not been the best driver, and my bank account is just starting to grow (finally got "promoted" to full time this month) so it'll probably be a mildly used car.
 
2013-01-28 04:19:59 PM  
#10 is just priceless...

dl.dropbox.com
Sorry, but there is no way in hell, I'm letting anybody come close to my baby with a wrench, ok maybe Gordon Murray, he's cool.
 
2013-01-28 05:13:03 PM  

UtileDysfunktion: vonzales: jonohull: Fram

what's wrong with Fram?
I usually pay more for a Bosch, but I've used plenty of Fram filters before.

Some years back, Fram oil filters were known for cheap internal construction using cardboard and no shunt valve should the filter get clogged. Don't know if this has changed since.

There was an electrical engineer who had a Fram filter collapse internally and toast the motor in his Jeep. He went out and bought around 20 different off-the-shelf oil filters, cut away a section of each with a bandsaw, and posted pics on the web showing the the differences in construction. This caused quite a stir at the time, especially on motorcycle forums.

Even before this, I had been using Hastings filters from the local auto parts store. The first time I went there for a filter, I said I wanted a Fram #xxxx. They said "No, you don't." and sold me the equivalent Hastings. Later on, they had a display that showed the difference.


I see... I could take a shiat in a box and slap a guarantee on it. Frankly I've got the time...
 
2013-01-28 06:37:39 PM  

Sid_6.7: -Park anywhere in Detroit


Wondering if this applies to pretty much everywhere north of the 42°N parallel, south of Canada. Or as I like to call it, "the meth belt." One car, one commercial truck stolen in Portland. Cleaning graffiti off your car is pretty much an ongoing effort if you live in downtown towards PSU. Park pretty much anywhere up north long enough and someone will try to siphon your tank, even if they have to rip a locking plug out of the filler neck to do it.
 
2013-01-28 06:38:19 PM  

GreenAdder: -Driving it
-Looking upon it
-Thinking about it
-Referring to it in conversation

Your car will fall apart no matter how much or how little maintenance you put into it. It will do so on the day you need it most.


Do not taunt the happy fun car.
 
2013-01-28 10:51:12 PM  

vonzales: jonohull: Fram

what's wrong with Fram?
I usually pay more for a Bosch, but I've used plenty of Fram filters before.


Fram is the worst name-brand filter. Worst media, thinnest outer wall, and their basic filter doesn't have an anti-drainback valve. Others like Purolator do. I usually use the Purolator PureOne, or Bosch Distance Plus. Both very good.
 
2013-01-29 01:32:13 AM  

Baloo Uriza: even if they have to rip a locking plug out of the filler neck to do it.


What do you mean "even if"? Takes three seconds or less with a crowbar!

/NTTAWWT
 
2013-01-29 08:25:03 PM  

jonohull: vonzales: jonohull: Fram

what's wrong with Fram?
I usually pay more for a Bosch, but I've used plenty of Fram filters before.

Fram is the worst name-brand filter. Worst media, thinnest outer wall, and their basic filter doesn't have an anti-drainback valve. Others like Purolator do. I usually use the Purolator PureOne, or Bosch Distance Plus. Both very good.


Even worse, Fram always drops celery on the ground
 
2013-01-29 11:43:22 PM  

Baloo Uriza: GreenAdder: -Driving it
-Looking upon it
-Thinking about it
-Referring to it in conversation

Your car will fall apart no matter how much or how little maintenance you put into it. It will do so on the day you need it most.

Do not taunt the happy fun car.


LOL. Happy Fun Ball was one of the funniest SNL commercials ever.
 
2013-01-30 01:56:29 AM  
I intended to follow the routine maintenance schedule when I bought my truck new in 02, but I didn't. Last year my transmission went out with 186,000 on it. I had never changed the oil or filter, and maybe checkded the level twice. Being cheap, I decided to rebuild it myself. I found that the problem was a splined hub was stripped inside, which has no relation to the oil being changed. It is a common problem with GM transmissions, and is only $90 for the upgraded part. I decided to replace the wear parts inside anyways, and was amazed to find that the clutches were in such good shape that I could still read the manufacturer's writing on them (also proving that changing the oil would have had no benefit). Basically, I could have gotten away with a $90 repair + $100 for new oil.

As for regular oil changes, I do mine when the oil life indicator tells me to. Even then, I wait another 1000 miles or so because over the course of that oil change I've added a couple of fresh quarts to compensate for oil being burnt off. The truck is going to turn 200k within a month, and still runs great with the minimum maintenance I have done to it.

Oh yeah, and as far as transmission rebuilds go: If you ever wanted to try one, go for it. There is a company that has written service manuals for most trannys, and they are step-by-step tear-down and rebuild (not haynes or chiltons...). If you are worried about time/wrecking the daily driver, then go to a salvage yard or check craigslist for a used one, and rebuild that.
 
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